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You are not going to get fair and balanced from the Huffington Post
November 18th, 2006 at 5:54 pmWhy are they comparing cable news to FOX entertainment?
November 18th, 2006 at 6:03 pmMore importantly, why do Democrats guest on FOX at all? To be entertaining and help Republicans garner supporters?
Hey Kevin,
It doesn’t look like the Huffington Post is on the list.
Nice try…
November 18th, 2006 at 6:04 pmOne more thing, Kevin.
It’s not the job of the news to be fair and balanced. It’s the job of the news to report the news in a factual manner, and then it’s up to US to decide.
November 18th, 2006 at 6:13 pm“You are not going to get fair and balanced from the Huffington Post”
November 18th, 2006 at 6:13 pmEven though Huffington Post was not one of those surveyed, you find way more fair and balanced reporting there than you ever will find on Fox. I think that people are finally getting smart and are on to the fact that Fox IS NOT a news organization. They are simply entertainment. Anyone who really wants to know what is going on in the world wouldn’t be caught dead watching Fox.
You are right, Zooey.
What ever happened to journalism?
I used to admire those that wrote the truth. Asked the questions to get to the source, or bottom of, an issue.
No more. Now it’s a joke.
November 18th, 2006 at 6:29 pmKate Henry,
One problem with your post:
They are simply entertainment.
Actually, they don’t entertain me very much.
Irritate, yes. Entertain…. not so much.
;)
November 18th, 2006 at 6:33 pmFAUX News is over, has been over, and will never regain any shred of credible news coverage ever again.
November 18th, 2006 at 6:35 pmRight on, Zoo….Kevin’s obviously young, naive and totally uneducated. Like many in the GOP, they’re totally “out of touch” with reality, history, and the global pictue.
November 18th, 2006 at 6:36 pmand when any journalist worth his “salt” has to proclaim that they are “fair and balanced”, that’s the tip off that they’re not reporting the news facts. The facts are simply “what is” of the moment – the truth about what actually occurred without any spin placed upon it. And the facts are often defaming for one group or the other….simply the “facts” and the “truth”. That’s what real journalism used to be! That is, until this total BS concept of fair and balanced which is another buzzword for “biased” and/or extrapolation of fact to suit one’s purposes.
November 18th, 2006 at 6:39 pmReichwingers make up 31% of the population…they are immaterial and who gives a shit for them?
November 18th, 2006 at 6:45 pmThanks true & veritas.
I have found that I am unable to watch television news – at all – except Countdown.
It sets my teeth on edge when they report a story that supposedly is quite important, leave me hanging with 20 questions in mind.
It’s the same with interviews. They finally make some headway past the small talk, and get into something interesting — could the commercial break possibly wait? Or could they go back to the interview afterward?
*banging head on desk*
November 18th, 2006 at 6:48 pmI watch about 12 minutes of TV per week – Andy Rooney. Everything else is crap.
November 18th, 2006 at 7:00 pmZooey,
Only Mr. Olbermann has gonads these days, it seems…
I shake my head in disgust every time I see Chris Matthews. He actually worked for Tip O’Neil. So hard to believe, now. What a sell-out.
November 18th, 2006 at 7:04 pmTip would *not* be happy.
Little by little, the Fox hegemony is coming to an end.
November 18th, 2006 at 7:08 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
…They are simply entertainment…
Comment by Kate Henry — November 18, 2006 @ 6:13 pm
actually, a more accurate statement would be:
November 18th, 2006 at 7:10 pm“They are simply PROPAGANDA”
…just sayin’… but you all know that…
I’m so tired of yelling follow up questions at the TV, on almost all of the networks (I have Fox blocked) because no one really asks the hard questions and doesn’t challenge the answers that they should know are wrong. I stopped watching the Today Show years ago because once Katie was interviewing a Republican congressman and he continually mentioned how George W. Bush served in the US Air Force during the Vietnam War and she never once called him on it.
Keith Olbermann has really shown that he knows his stuff, he rarely, if ever misses an opportunity to ask a good question or follow up when someone starts spouting lies/BS. And I wish I still had HBO because Bill Maher really gives them what for.
I really hope people are starting to realize how pathetic Fox News has become (even more so than before). I was at my doctor’s office and they had Fox on and I was reading and trying to ignore it and finally some little old man shuffled up to the desk and said, “Can you change that channel? I’d like to watch the REAL NEWS.”
November 18th, 2006 at 7:18 pmMaybe people who get their info from FOX are getting tired of going to family get-togethers, hearing others’ opinions, being introduced to facts they haven’t heard, and realizing they’ve been fed a load of crap by FOX.
November 18th, 2006 at 7:19 pmKiki,
That’s Awesome!
I love that story.
November 18th, 2006 at 7:22 pmYep, Olberman is a true patriot and a “real” journalist who has the balls to call it as it is. He’s the contemporary Edward G. Murrow.
It’s quite hysterical to find the current facts online and then observe how each version of the “factual news” puts their own spin on it. It’s reprehensible and dishonest, in fact. When one garners the truth from the internet, there is no need to watch liars spinning the truth. Personally, I don’t find it amusing that these highly paid “cons” are allowed to do this to the american people, particularly our elders who are not computer literate and must depend on them. It’s unforgiveable.
True….boycotting the MSM is the only thing to do unless one desires some “comic relief” and then I’d prefer to watch John Stewart…where his news is always more accurate and closer to the truth then the MSM….
Guess the adage “Truer things are often said in jest” really applies here, doesn’t it?
November 18th, 2006 at 7:24 pmWatching FAUX News is setting yourself up to be a laughingstock when you present their twisted version of the facts or outright lies with your friends only to find out that you’ve been “pimped”!
November 18th, 2006 at 7:25 pmP.S. I have Fox blocked as does just about everyone I know. Block these shape shifters from entering the privacy of your home or their toxicity will permeate and putrify everything therin.
November 18th, 2006 at 7:26 pmGOP affiliated FOX News must be boycotted until the network files for bankruptcy and ceases to exist!
November 18th, 2006 at 7:27 pmWhat ever happened to journalism?
Comment by trueblue — November 18, 2006 @ 6:29 pm
It has been thoroughly co-opted by the corporate plutocrats.
November 18th, 2006 at 8:13 pmSo people want their partisan rethug hackery less blatant now?
November 18th, 2006 at 8:22 pmSimply because the report is in the HuffPo doesn’t mean it is inaccurate.
November 18th, 2006 at 8:26 pmThe ratings are what they are, Kevin, and it seems to me that the public is beginning to grow weary of the excessive fawning of FOX to Bush&Co and the Republican party. While I certainly have my complaints about CNN, and MSNBC, in comparison to FOX, well, there is no comparison. Fox is propaganda; the others provide news, with a bias perhaps, but they are not propagandists.
CNN/MSNBC is propaganda for the Left. The Left always thinks it’s holier than thgou. In reality you’re all a bunch of hypocrites!
November 18th, 2006 at 8:46 pmJay Randal,
November 18th, 2006 at 8:48 pmWhy does the Left get upset the Right had=s a voice. Don’t you guys belive in freedom of speach. Or does that apply only the Left and their Islmic Supremist allies.
Hey read this your Islamic buddies are mad at the Dutch.
Dutch Muslims hit out at proposed burqa ban
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/11/18/061118141256.yfhauen2.html
November 18th, 2006 at 8:49 pmKevin; Jaja: FOX is the organization that fought for – and won – the legal right to deliberately distort the news.
Please, you two hilarity-mongers.
November 18th, 2006 at 8:55 pmMSNB and CNN are Leftwing Propaganda outlets. They also sympathize with Islamic-Supremists. The Right is entitled to one channel. You guys have the big3 and 2 Cable Channels. Wht’s the fuss all about. It’s a free country get over it.
November 18th, 2006 at 8:57 pmWell I would love nothing better than to see Muslims exterminated from the Earth. Hitler had the right idea. But’s not Jews that’re the problem. It’s Muslims. Muhamed may his soul burn in hell!
November 18th, 2006 at 8:59 pmI don’t think I’d get upset that the Right has a “voice” if they didn’t report lies and propoganda.
And to call CNN and MSNBC “Left” is hysterical. There is no liberal media in this country. You have to read the Canadian press (for one) for that.
November 18th, 2006 at 9:00 pmIt looks like Fox has dispatched a lovely set of trolls this evening.
Ya’ll seem worried.
November 18th, 2006 at 9:07 pmZooey > looks like new trolls or old ones with new names > lol/
November 18th, 2006 at 9:24 pmThe Faux fans here are making me laugh.
November 18th, 2006 at 9:24 pmThe MSM claims to be neutral while they actually swing to the right because of their corporate owners who don’t tolerate too much negativity toward the boy-king.
In the reign of Bush, however, and all the destruction that he has wrought, all the disasters that he has not handled well, it has become increasingly difficult to always favorably portray him and his rubber-stamp congress.
The trolls here, however, who follow their leader blindly, without question, without thinking for themselves, are unable to handle the fact that the boy-king is a walking calamity, that he has caused extreme unrest and instability in the world – they can’t deal with it because: 1. Fox media offers them contrary porpaganda, and 2. They can’t bring themselves to face the facts.
They prefer to falsely charge that the rest of the world is against them, that everyone else is biased. They cling to the old canard at Fox that the press is liberal, when, if they would read newspapers, they would see that far from being liberal, the press has actually been complicit in allowing Bush to corrupt everything he touches.
If the press had been exercising journalism, they would have challenged Bush&Co from the start; instead they molly-coddled him, excused him, and even supported his unproven claims, until now we all find ourselves in so much trouble, that no one sees a clear exit.
It is not a pretty picture – the press cannot make this any prettier; so the Fox-believers blame them for being unable to do so.
Zooey > looks like new trolls or old ones with new names > lol/
Comment by Jay Randal
That’s where the “worried” comes in. :)
November 18th, 2006 at 9:31 pmHot damn, Marie! I’m so glad you still find ways to comment here.
Well said, as always.
November 18th, 2006 at 9:32 pmCrackhead Marie,
November 18th, 2006 at 9:35 pmThe press isn’t Liberal. You’re right about that. It’s Far Left and Pro-Islamic. You guys have ABS,NBC,CBS,MSNBC and CNN. We only have Fox. If the Left wants to run Leftists and Jihadi propaganda on their networks go ahead.
If Fox wants to run Conservative and Libertarian Propaganda that’s fine too. It’s a free country and no one in the press is fair or balanced. Evryone has a view point. I just don’t understand why the Left and thier Islamic allies get upset over one network. I say get a life and talk about something else.
#38 Zooey
November 18th, 2006 at 9:36 pmThanks :)
Sometimes I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at the mentality of some.
Crackhead Marie,
November 18th, 2006 at 9:38 pmI’m not a Bushbot like other Rightwingers so don’t even attack me on that angle. I dislike Rush and Sean Hannity that just spew Whitehouse talking points.
Zooey the clown,
November 18th, 2006 at 9:41 pmThe problem with yopu Lefties =is that you can’t accept alternate opinions. You guys belive in absolutes and believe you’re smarter and all knowing. You guys are no different than the Christian Right.
I so hey hoo the Cristian Right and Secular Progressive have got to go!
Both of you guys have ruined the political debate in this country and feed of each other. I wouldn’t be suprised if you’re all in cahoots!
I say get a life and talk about something else.
Comment by Firefox
You first.
November 18th, 2006 at 9:41 pmSometimes I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at the mentality of some.
Comment by Marie
I choose to laugh — because I might never stop crying. :)
November 18th, 2006 at 9:42 pmI see I struck a nerve with someone tonight.
November 18th, 2006 at 9:48 pmFacing the truth is often painful.
Zooey,
November 18th, 2006 at 9:50 pmIn other words people can’t have a different opinion on things if they do you laufgh. Do you think your so intellectually superior than others?
Do you ever think people draw their own conclusions by their own experiences?
You attitude is no different than the Christian Right, Holier than thou!
It’s a sad way to live. You must respect and learn from a variety of different opinions. Evryone has a grain of truth. It’s a matter of perspective.
Grow up and learn that!
Marie,
November 18th, 2006 at 9:52 pmDon’t worry abouit the menatlity of others. Mind your business and let people be. This is a free country and people can think what they want.
As always the left is hypocritical. They preach tolerance but are intolerant!
Firefox,
You are a raving halfwit. If I choose to laugh at the mentality of some, it’s better than coming out swinging like you’ve just demonstrated.
I choose not to be like YOU.
November 18th, 2006 at 10:06 pmLike Dean says we are the New Democratic party, the whole political landscape is shifting, thank goodness. This includes the fact that hate punditry and far right ideology is loosing it’s luster and intrigue. People want a new kind of politics. They are dismissing the old school of the polarizing and shouting and foaming at the mouth.
November 18th, 2006 at 10:49 pmFox had it’s day as the right thing for the wingnuts and the temporary republicans. But, just like reality shows, game shows, ect., it is now old and tired and people realize they really don’t want that kind of silliness and hate in thier lives.
Plus, MSNBC provides something no one else has: Olbermann.
So if a rapist said it was the victims fault, his opinion, you must respect that?
No Kevin, an opinion is not a fact and are often laced with bias. If I say that I think that Bush is a moron I expect you NOT to RESPECT my opinion. Because it is NOT a fact. [okay maybe it is=]
Respect is earned — not given freely.
Bush has lied repeatedly, yet we MUST respect that?
You remember FF about those 27 pages of the 9/11 report that we didn’t see? Do you know why? Because it implicates Saudi [Osamas homeland] extremists and not Iraqi terrorists. You were lied into a war, yet you respect that, oddly.
November 18th, 2006 at 11:31 pm
re: #51 The “R” in Republican
You must respect and learn from a variety of different opinions. -Kevin
So if a rapist said it was the victims fault, his opinion, you must respect that?
Comment by Zep Tepi — November 18, 2006 @ 11:31 pm
The sad truth is that Republicans frequently do blame the people they victimize which is the same tactic used by the above mentioned. Which often leads me to the horrific conclusion that the “R” in Republican often stands for something else.
November 19th, 2006 at 9:18 amWell, it would have probably been a good idea to listen and respect the accused rapists in the Duke rape case. Liberals should keep scrutinizing those in power, but should stop turning a blind eye to those you consider victims.
November 19th, 2006 at 9:35 amComparing CNN and MSNBC to Faux News would be like comparing apples and oranges.
November 19th, 2006 at 11:01 amI’ve always found it perplexing why democrats – who already know its a propaganda channel – agree to appear on it and who watch it. The argument “to see what they’re saying” is simply nonsense. We already know what they’re going to say because just like the president picked cherry picked intelligence to fit his policy for Iraq – Fox does the same with the news. The most beneficial way to deal with FNN is to isolate them.
November 19th, 2006 at 11:30 amOf course, I have no way of knowing this, but my speculation would be that Dems agree to appear on Fox-TV in self-defense. There are many ill-informed viewers of Fox (selectively ignorant), who enjoy the propaganda, who enjoy the sniping, and the news-taken-out-of-context that makes it easier for them to form a thoughtless opinion. Perhaps Dems agree to appear on Fox – at their own risk – for the greater potential good of offering a viewpoint to the viewership other than the usual fare of sensationalist propaganda, in the hope of sparking an original thought.
November 19th, 2006 at 12:58 pmBeth and Marie. It is not or would not be wise for Bush to surround himself with like minded people, so he makes his decisions without the benefit of differing opinions. Likewise, it doesn’t make sense for liberals to boycott Fox. If your ideas are strong, they will withstand the reporting on Fox. More likely, you, as well as I, will benefit from differing viewpoints. I’m a conservative. I’ve learn many things here. I’m not afraid of changing my mind or exposing myself to different viewpoints. Are you?
November 19th, 2006 at 2:03 pmGee, Firefox,
Have you taken your meds today? Take some more. Preferably some pills with your buddy Rush Limberger, you know, the kind of drugs that get your thang up when arouse by farm animals.
I work for a call center company and everytime I go to the lunchroom , the TV there is always on Fox News. But, when no one else is around or paying attention to the propaganda garbage spewed by the right-wing facists, I change the channel to MSNBC, even before Olbermann comes on to save the day.
If you actually believe the garbage that Fox tells you, I feel more sorry for you, than ever.
November 19th, 2006 at 5:44 pm#27 Jaja
CNN/MSNBC is propaganda for the Left. The Left always thinks it’s holier than thgou. In reality you’re all a bunch of hypocrites!
Actually, if you were paying attention during the lead-up to the invasion of Iraq and for a while after that, CNN was a big cheerleader for the Bush regime. They didn’t go quite as far as the fascist news channel, Fox, who showed scenes of the bombing of Baghdad set to orchestral music. The network news stations were also right there alongside the cable news stations in reporting only the White House version of reasons for going to war and the way the war was going. There are no “Left” or “liberal” news channels. There are only those that aren’t sufficiently fascist for your tastes. If you wanted to make an attempt at intellectual honesty, you might try fact-checking Fox sometime. Or you could go to mediamatters.org where they’ve already done the fact-checking for you. And, if you think mediamatters.org is wrong, you should try to prove it. If you have any interest in honest reporting, that is.
November 20th, 2006 at 10:00 am