Iraqis Overwhelmingly Demand U.S. Troops Withdraw Within One Year
Iraqis Overwhelmingly Demand U.S. Troops Withdraw Within One Year
In a September 19 speech to the United Nations, President Bush had a message for the Iraqi people:
To the people of Iraq: Nearly 12 million of you braved the car bombers and assassins last December to vote in free elections. The world saw you hold up purple ink-stained fingers, and your courage filled us with admiration. You’ve stood firm in the face of horrendous acts of terror and sectarian violence — and we will not abandon you in your struggle to build a free nation.
In a recent poll by WorldOpinion.org, the Iraqi people had a message for President Bush — they’d like to be abandoned and fairly quickly:
In sum, “Seven out of ten Iraqis overall–including both the Shia majority (74%) and the Sunni minority (91%)–say they want the United States to leave within a year.” Note: less than 10% of Iraqis nationwide support a U.S. withdrawal only as “the security situation improves,” the current policy of the Bush administration.
(HT: Political Animal)
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I guess they didnt like democracy.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:43 pm“Seven out of ten Iraqis overall–including both the Shia majority (74%) and the Sunni minority (91%)–say they want the United States to leave within a year.â€
Sounds good to the American people as well.
But I think Bush and his henchmen are deaf…
November 21st, 2006 at 2:44 pmSo why not withdraw our forces to support the successful Kurdish mini-state, and to focus on protection of Iraq’s vital national infrastructure (i.e., the oil flow that we went to war for there in the first place – or was it the weapons of mass destruction?)…
Actually, here are the three valuable things that we can have our armed forces do over there. It’s short of a full withdrawal so those chickenhawk, draft dodging neo-cons can save face, but it is realistic like the democrats who took over Congress:
1. Support and encourage the evolution of a stable Kurdish mini-state (NOT an independent state, or Turkey marches in).
November 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pm2. Defend the vital economic infrastructure of Iraq. Principally main roads and oil fields
3. Beef up border security to hamper the flow of jihadis and weapons into and out of the country.
Those runways on those permanent bases will make the best damn disco roller parks in the world.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:52 pmTime to leave Iraq ad o your way back to america take the Isreali’s with you to stay ad occupy Texas.. Vote to ba the bomb
Ad thats that, ed of terrorism ad war…….. Were all sick of this war
November 21st, 2006 at 2:54 pmThats strange the n’s keep dissapearing
November 21st, 2006 at 2:55 pmDTrain –
November 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pmHow do you accomplish 2 and 3 whilst troops are garrisoned in the North?
Most of the force to be applied would require troops in the areas to be guarded, of which few are in the north…Hmm.
Tobey, souds like you godda cold…
November 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pmAll well and good, but the neocons respond that polls tells us nothing, because all Iraqis are Arabs, all Arabs are terrorists, and we have to stay and fight the terrorists. No, really, they think that.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmBut the Iraqis have forgotten who The Decider is; and he doesn’t care about the Iraqis and certainly doesn’t want to hear from them.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:58 pmBut what about the flowers?
I would expect that the majority of the Iraqi people would like to execute as many of the Christian terrorists as they possibly could.
Lacking the means to defend themselves, the Iraqi people have to settle for politely asking the Christian terrorists to leave.
OT: I see that some of the Republinazi Christofascist criminals who assaulted the lawful, peaceful UCLA student as he studied in the library have been identified.
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39042
The Christofascists are still refusing to release the names of some of the violent criminals, probably because the Christian mother f*ckers have violent histories even worse than those currently exposed.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:59 pmNow, ask the Iraqis how they feel about all foreign forces leaving their country. I bet there numbers will be even higher.
But I guess the Persians, Chechnya’s, Jordanians and the rest do not count.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmthat’s (2) Friedmans…heh
I say get out now.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:00 pmThe north is working pretty well. You don’t need that many troops to help there. Most of your deployment can go to borders and infrastructure. I agree that you won’t solve the border issue with US troops alone, but you can provide support there w/o irritating the local population and inflaming the civil strife in the process…
November 21st, 2006 at 3:01 pmDTrain, how bout we let Iran and Syria and Saudi’s participate in the border patrol, and we just GFO? bring in Egyptian, Jordanian and Lebanese and Pakistani troops to secure the oil and infrastructure.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:06 pmPLEASE WATCH THIS.
(warning: It’s very upsetting and stomach-churning)
THIS is why hundreds of Iraqi Citizens need to die? And why thousands of our own troops need to die? THIS is where our tax dollars are going? This is “WINNING THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE IRAQI PEOPLE” ????
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/11/theyll-be-greeting-us-with-flowers.html
November 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmPersians, Chechnya’s, Jordanians ??WTF
November 21st, 2006 at 3:10 pmHere’s the breakout of the “Coalition” forces
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm
No mention of any of those…
Or did I miss something
Would be great to get non-adjacent countries in the region actively involved. Some might sign up under a UN mandate. Not sure. Syria and Iran are part of the problem,not the solution. Both are actively promoting flow of destabilizing people and weapons across their borders. Not to say that we shouldn’t engage with those countries in a dialogue.
I think that we have to maintain some military presence there.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:11 pmDTrain – Why?
Oh, and on another article in WaPo today
In dozens of official interviews compiled by the Army for its oral history archives, officers who had been involved in training and advising Iraqis bluntly criticized almost every aspect of the effort. Some officers thought that team members were often selected poorly. Others fretted that the soldiers who prepared them had never served in Iraq and lacked understanding of the tasks of training and advising. Many said they felt insufficiently supported by the Army while in Iraq, with intermittent shipments of supplies and interpreters who often did not seem to understand English.
We can’t even do the training properly, how the frig do you get them to stand up without propping them up with driftwood?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:15 pmBut I guess the Persians, Chechnya’s, Jordanians and the rest do not count.
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
We don’t control those people.
And, as a side note by your standards – we’re the only ones bombing them…
November 21st, 2006 at 3:16 pm#12-robert,
Are you really attempting to tell us, and the Iraqi people themselves, what Iraqis REALLY think?
If you want to know the truth, Iraqis don’t hate all americans. Who they hate is the one monumentally arrogant and astronomically unintelligent f**ker who convinced you all that you are better than everyone else.
Contemplate that for a moment, assuming that the vacuum created by the lack of substance in your head does not cause for your skull to collapse in upon itself.
Peace.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:18 pmNow, ask the Iraqis how they feel about all foreign forces leaving their country. I bet there numbers will be even higher.
But I guess the Persians, Chechnya’s, Jordanians and the rest do not count.
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
Dimwit, obviously they don’t count for much, since our own military leadership in Iraq says that foreign fighters are at most a few percent of total insurgents.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:19 pm#17, I am talking about the ones that are shooting at us.
The Iraqi people would LOVE it if the ONLY people in Iraq were IRAQI
November 21st, 2006 at 3:20 pmRUCerious — you are confusing strategy with execution. Is it possible that we are not succeeding because we are trying to do toomuch with too little resource? GFO is not a strategy. Unless you are comfortable with the impact on the region, the US and the world of a unilateral and complete withdrawal of US forces from Iraq, I don’t think you have a plan here. Are you comfortable with that?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:20 pm#17, I am talking about the ones that are shooting at us and the Iraqis.
The Iraqi people would LOVE it if the ONLY people in Iraq were IRAQI.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:21 pm1. Support and encourage the evolution of a stable Kurdish mini-state (NOT an independent state, or Turkey marches in).
2. Defend the vital economic infrastructure of Iraq. Principally main roads and oil fields
3. Beef up border security to hamper the flow of jihadis and weapons into and out of the country.
Comment by DTrain — November 21, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
DTrain, how I wish it were so simple. None of your suggestions are practical. The Turks aren’t going to agree with you or anyone else on what constitutes a “mini-state” vs. an independent state. They will march right on in no matter what you call it, unless we concentrate our troops on the northern border to stop it. As for protecting the other borders, they are too vast to patrol with the available soldiers, as is the vital infrastructure. Our troops have had a very difficult time protecting the road from the Green Zone to the Baghdad airport, which is just a few miles of highway.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:23 pmRUCerious — you are confusing strategy with execution. Is it possible that we are not succeeding because we are trying to do toomuch with too little resource?
Comment by DTrain — November 21, 2006 @ 3:20 pm
Bingo, DTrain. Too much with too little. It would take a million troops to accomplish the three goals you laid out.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pmRobert, why don’t you drop it with the foreign fighters canard? Even the Bush gang gave up on this talking point long ago. No one here or anywhere else is buying it.
By the way, where do you get your information? WorldNetDaily?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:27 pmHumanist,
Funny, I say that the Iraqis would like a nation that did not have a bunch of foreigners fighting on their soil and killing more innocent Iraqis and you give out #21. Do you think that the Iraqi people really want their country torn apart the way it is. I don’t.
Where in any statement did I say that anyone is better than anyone?
Quit worrying about finding an excuse to insult someone, you will get the opportunity eventually.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:29 pmThe Iraqi people would LOVE it if the ONLY people in Iraq were IRAQI
Comment by robert
And if we left there would be 140,000 less non-Iraqis for them to be mad at.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:30 pm#28, Actuall from papers that were brought into our CSSOC over there. BUt since I can not show you that, then here you go.
And was al Zarqawi and Iraqi?
yep, no foreign fighters there!
November 21st, 2006 at 3:35 pmI don’t know how many troops it would take, but it is probably fewer than 1MM. Not all of these troops would have to be ours. As RUCerious points out, why not push to have other countries in the region contribute to the effort? We could find accomodation with Turkey on the nature of the Kurdish area. We have many common interests.
I would love to see other constructive ideas here.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:36 pmThe Iraqi people would LOVE it if the ONLY people in Iraq were IRAQI.
Comment by robert
I guess we missed that survey. Or are you just making this up? Obviously, you can’t know the wishes of the Iraqi people and the opinions upon which this post is based are from a poll of the Iraqi people. Could you supply a cite?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmWhere in any statement did I say that anyone is better than anyone?
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 3:29 pm
See Robert, it isn’t just me that sees the patronizing tone in your holier-than-thou philosophies… You do think your kind is better than others. Even if you don’t even realize you do – your actions routinely give you away…
November 21st, 2006 at 3:43 pmyep, no foreign fighters there!
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
No one said that. Our own military leaders have said, repeatedly, that foreign fighters comprise only a small percentage of total insurgents. But people who can’t argue their points have to put words in other people’s mouths.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:46 pmI don’t know how many troops it would take, but it is probably fewer than 1MM. Not all of these troops would have to be ours. As RUCerious points out, why not push to have other countries in the region contribute to the effort?
Comment by DTrain — November 21, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
This strikes me as being very naive. Iraq’s most potent neighbors, Syria and Iran, have little incentive to cooperate with us. We have 140,000 troops in Iraq, and we are able to secure only a very small part of Baghdad, and you want us to secure all the borders and all the major roads, and all the oil infrastructure?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:50 pmYes, America asked for this: we just didn’t show the Iraqis and Iranians enough love. Instead we act like the ugly, yankee, infidel pig dogs that we are.
Over 3,000 people died on 11 September. So what…because we REFUSED to bow down immediately and accept allah and his seven passing winds, and, instead, tried to retaliate, we now are caught in a quagmire, right?
Winning things is an outdated concept anyway, we need to be more of a mind of “sharing†a victory with our opposition, because who are WE to want to hoard all that victory to ourselves? Progressives should be more open about cheering when a victory-sharing moment occurs like a suicide bombing or an IED explosion. So an American soldier dies…they’re only puppets of Bushitler who deserve what’s coming to them for being imperialist yankee infidel invaders, right?
In fact, WHY should America have armed forces anyway? Nobody loves a bully, right?
Progressives should rally around the idea of forming a federal Department of Peace just so that the world will like America better, right?
Who could disagree with that?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:52 pm
#34,
That’s right; your kind has all the answers, don’t they? You examine your view and your view only. You never look at the other side. Your way is the way of enlightenment and peace and everyone else that has an opinion is wrong.
If you want to all sit around and pat each other on the back then so be it.
I am holier-than-thou because I think that a Nation would like to have its sovereignty with no outside foreign influence. Maybe the sample of people I talked to over there was not large enough, only a few hundred.
At least I get my news and develop my opinions from more than one source. Life experience is a HUGE factor.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:52 pmDT –
November 21st, 2006 at 3:54 pmI think it’s a great plan, let the region figure out what is best for the region, without an iota of American input or action. We’ve done a heckuva job so far.
Have ANY of you been to Iraq in the past 3 years? Then you rely on a poll of a SMALL sample of the Iraqi people.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:55 pm#28, Actuall from papers that were brought into our CSSOC over there. BUt since I can not show you that, then here you go.
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
Who are you trying to fool? The article you link mentions HUNDREDS of foreign fighters. Are hundreds of foreign fighters pinning down 140,000 U.S. troops, and causing hundreds of deaths every day?
Like I said, no one is buying. Not even you, I bet.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:56 pmI doubt this will sway any Shrub supporter because when the World asked us not to invade, we did anyway.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:57 pmNow, those who we’ve “Liberated?” want us out, so we’ll just stay cause we’re dumb rednecks who can’t learn from our past mistakes.
If the Dems don’t push HARD for Impeachment this spring, WE NEED TO TAKE OUR MESSAGE TO THE STREETS.
Maybe some of the Mexican Nationals who rallied in HUGE numbers in L.A. for immigration reform could teach the lazy American a thing or two about Democracy.
robert,
I’m happy to see that no one else fell for your attempt to direct the blame for what’s going on in Iraq to the regions other inhabitants. That was a bogus statement and argument when it was first offered up by your government.
Let me help you out. What they survey says is that Iraqis want the USA out. Period. If you don’t believe the survey, put on an american flag t-shirt and take a jaunt over to Iraq and I’m sure that they will make it a whole lot clearer for you.
Stop the murder, stop the atrocities, and for heaven’s sake get OUT OF IRAQ. Enough of the debate about what you think Iraqis “want” or “feel”.
Peace.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:00 pm#44, Right, it is not ONLY foreign fighters. It is not ONLY the U.S, either. So, if we ALL left, then the Iraqis could work on solving their own problems.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:01 pm#45-DieNowForPeace,
As the rest of the world says – “The USA has the best democracy money can buy.”
Citizens like your robert will see that as a compliment.
Peace.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:03 pmLet’s examine Robert’s latest post:
False characterization #1
That’s right; your kind has all the answers, don’t they?
False characterization #2
You examine your view and your view only. You never look at the other side.
False characterization #3
Your way is the way of enlightenment and peace and everyone else that has an opinion is wrong.
False characterization #4
If you want to all sit around and pat each other on the back then so be it.
False characterization #5
I am holier-than-thou because I think that a Nation would like to have its sovereignty with no outside foreign influence.
False characterization #6
At least I get my news and develop my opinions from more than one source.
Robert, I think it is time for you to STFU until you have something remotely honest to say.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:05 pm#46, I did not question the findings of the poll. I know the Iraqis would like us out.
I have been there twice, may have to go again in January. I would love not to, because as we all know, war is an ugly thing(the ugliest). And I do not think the U.S. should stay there just because of the Foreign fighters either. If the Iraqis want us out , we should leave.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:07 pmYou know what, I do not speak for a “side” I speak for my self. I speak for the values that I hold dear and I speak for what I believe in. Then I come to some “progressive” blog where my PERSONAL view is in the minority and because of that, I am demonized and ridiculed. It is funny how you all want to “protect the rights of a minority” until that minority differs with you
November 21st, 2006 at 4:14 pm16 Paige
It IS very upsetting. All need to see
this.
Thanks, Lee
November 21st, 2006 at 4:17 pmBy the way, Realscientist, F-off. I will say what I like. IT IS MY RIGHT
November 21st, 2006 at 4:18 pmThen I come to some “progressive†blog where my PERSONAL view is in the minority and because of that, I am demonized and ridiculed.
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
Robert, this is yet another gross mischaracterization! People are demonizing and ridiculing you because your posts are wall-to-wall straw men, false dichotomies, and above all else, PATENTLY false mischaracterizations of what people post at this site!
What a jerk.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:18 pmSo an American soldier dies…they’re only puppets of Bushitler who deserve what’s coming to them for being imperialist yankee infidel invaders
–Jumpwing
Kinda like you trying to accuse me, a native american, of being a racist in another thread, this falls really flat.
If you are trying to say that American soldier’s lives mean nothing then you are as unamerican as they come. You are as bad as the right wing trolls
That’s right; your kind has all the answers, don’t they? –robert
Your Repukes were in office for the last 6 years and what have they accomplished?
November 21st, 2006 at 4:22 pmGot us into a war for Bush’s lies, forgetting all about the taliban and al queda, while being bogged down in the occupation of Iraq.
While bringing corruption and scandals to a new low. Yeah the repukes did all the right thing by you?
You really are funny, too bad you don’t see the joke.
That’s right; your kind has all the answers, don’t they?
My kind? That would be human, Robert. What kind are you? Something viral, I’d bet…
You examine your view and your view only. You never look at the other side. Your way is the way of enlightenment and peace and everyone else that has an opinion is wrong.
Short memory I see… I told you, I used to be a conservative Christian until I examined the other side, and discovered it’s much better over here, so I switched sides.
As a result, I only ever examine all the sides. It’s just with reality having that liberal bias that I tend to lean left, like most folks here.
If you want to all sit around and pat each other on the back then so be it.
No one is doing that. We’re actually anticipating the next savage attack to our Democracy from the right again.
I am holier-than-thou because I think that a Nation would like to have its sovereignty with no outside foreign influence. Maybe the sample of people I talked to over there was not large enough, only a few hundred.
No, you are holier-than-thou because you think your way is the right way – even for people who have openly rejected it.
At least I get my news and develop my opinions from more than one source. Life experience is a HUGE factor.
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 3:52 pm
If you think you’re a psychic who can read my mind, here’s a big tip – you suck at it.
None of us gets our news from one source. It’s why we know so much… We don’t limit ourselves to a Bible and The FOX news channel.
And, from your inane rants in here, I would bet I’ve experienced ATLEAST ten times more life than you ever will.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:23 pmBy the way, Realscientist, F-off. I will say what I like. IT IS MY RIGHT
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 4:18 pm
Now that is more like it. But I would like to point out that your right to say what you like is limited. For example, there are laws against slander or libel. Of course no one here will try to sue you for libel (no real damages have occurred), but it is simply wrong to repeatedly (and apparently deliberately) falsely characterize what other people in order to defame their opinions and beliefs.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:24 pmBy the way, Realscientist, F-off. I will say what I like. IT IS MY RIGHT
— robert
As it is in our rights to point out the fallacies in your statements.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:25 pmIt is funny how you all want to “protect the rights of a minority†until that minority differs with you
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
That’s funny, prior to the election those on your side were cliaming that you were the majority viewpoint in America…
Stop with the victimization comments – it makes you look weak and pathetic. Hardly the kind of qualities a real Marine would need to possess…
But, if you can’t handle the fact that we point out the absurdity in your views, then perhaps you shouldn’t hang out here. Because, if you’d bothered to look back at any of the old threads – we frequently debate one another and question our own views. It’s why you can’t handle the heat in here. You’re used to hanging around people who agree with you to your face, in true conservative nature, and then gripe about you behind your back. In here – we call a spade a spade. Can’t deal? Boo-fricken-hoo.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:30 pmIf we don’t have the conscience and courage to do what’s right, these people will demand that we do so and shame us.
November 21st, 2006 at 4:31 pmWell, there you have it: Yet another poll of the Iraqis telling us yet again that they want us to stand down, so what exactly are we waiting for?
WMDs – there are none – check
Sadaam out of power – check
Freedom for Iraqis – check – (well, Freedom from something besides our Occupation that is)
What could I possibly be missing? Is there still more $$ to be made off of this mis-adventure? Hmmmmm…
“Over 3,000 people died on 11 September. So what…because we REFUSED to bow down immediately and accept allah and his seven passing winds, and, instead, tried to retaliate, we now are caught in a quagmire, right?”
I have been waiting more than 3 years to hear what Iraq has to do with 9/11. Don’t worry, I’m not holding my breath, but have I got a deal on a bridge that’s perfect for you.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:03 pmOk, granted, I may not be the smartest person in the room, but I am here to try to gain a complete understanding. I do not drink my Kool-aid from the extreme right or left of the table. I like the pitcher in the middle. We are all guilty of “snarky” comments from time to time.
#59, if that is how things are in here, then thank you for clearing it up for me. I am new to this whole blog thing(wtd is a troll, by the way). But I will point out that there has been more than a little “false charicterization” about my statements as well.
#65, there is a good chance of that…lol
#60, when I make a statement based in fact, it is not a fallacy. when I make a statement based on misunderstanding, it is not a fallacy.
now, can’t we all just get along
November 21st, 2006 at 5:05 pmBTW, Wayne, Semper Fi, Buddy
November 21st, 2006 at 5:07 pmnow, can’t we all just get along
Comment by robert
In my particular POV, I have a problem with all people supporting this war; you can get technically, you can say but the UN and the inspectors…etc.
Its all hipocresy, robert, if Iraq needed to be bombed for the crimes you said it did, then US would be a wasteland for what it has done all across the world. I know, your answer is going to be emotionally motivated, which I dont blame it, but it has nothing to do with reality. Sorry not to be as objective as I wanted. Still, you seem OK.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:10 pmRobert,
What is your point?
Thanks,
November 21st, 2006 at 5:10 pmJune
Juan, thanks, you saying that is a compliment.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:14 pm(emotional enough for you)
I fail to see why Progressives are so afraid of being who they are and honestly embracing fundamental truths:
1) Progressive means being able to progress past the retrograde, neo-con desire for violent solutions to problems…meaning Progressives embrace non-violence, therefore any manifestations of violence such as a military or private ownership of weapons is to be militated against.
2) Progressive means being able to progress past the craven and greedy desire for private property ownership and private control of any and all income. Progressives leave such things to ruthless, cold hearted, Capitalist conservatives as we embrace the glory of the state providing to those with the greatest need as the state extracts, righteously, from those with the greatest assets to be redistributed.
3) Progressive means abandoning all restrictions and legal impediments to people doing what they want, when they want, any time they want. Meaning to self-medicate as seen fit; or to affiliate with whomever or whatever in whichever partnership is desired.
4)Progresssive means to embrace the state involvement in the lives in its citizens to the betterment of the greater good…inclusive of the state influencing what is eaten (tofurky is yummy, an actual, cruelly slaughtered turkey is yecch), beverages to be consumed (natural juice yes, alcohol no), the means of transportation to be used (bicycles and buses are good, mean nasty s-u-vs are bad), and what should be smoked (tobacco is an icky-poo thing, cannabis is groovy-cool).
Why dance around and euphemize? These things are the fundamentals to be embraced boldly, and without question, if one isn’t a knuckle-dragging neo-con goof.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:57 pmOne more war crime
By Nick Egnatz in nwitimes
The esteemed British Medical Journal Lancet has just published a new study, compiled by a team of physicians from Johns Hopkins University and Iraqi doctors, on civilian deaths in Iraq. The study estimates 600,000 additional civilian deaths because of violence since we invaded 3 1/2 years ago.
The president pooh-poohs the study, saying, “The methodology is pretty well discredited.” One wonders if a president whose only veto in six years was to prevent federally funded stem cell research, who does not believe in global warming and has attacked the rampant spread of HIV-AIDS in Africa with an abstinence-only program knows the meaning of the word “methodology.”
Cluster sampling is the methodology used, and it has been used around the world to measure deaths from tsunamis, earthquakes, famines and other disasters. Did President Bush question the number of deaths from the tsunami, earthquake in Pakistan or the genocide in Darfur? They all used similar methodology, with the exception there was probably not the attention to detail used in the Iraq study.
The president’s policy was voiced by General Tommy Franks’ machismo, “We don’t do body counts.”
The Geneva Conventions, which under previous administrations were considered the gold standard for international behavior, call for invading armies to use the utmost care to minimize civilian casualties. Not even attempting to count them would seem to qualify as just one more war crime for this sorry bunch.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:01 pmThis just in from Captain Obvious:
71pct of Iraqis want the US out
November 21st, 2006 at 6:03 pm2/3 of Iraqis think that attacks on the US are justified
Chimpy says: “git ‘er done”
What’s wrong with this picture?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ckKkQq_eQ
Watch Center for American Progress Senior Fellow and Director of National Defense and Homeland Security share his thoughts on Go Big Go Long or Go Home
November 21st, 2006 at 6:06 pmBush’s next big scandal
shows that thousands are missing. More than five years after 9/11, where are they all? We know that many were rendered to foreign jails, both by the CIA and directly by the US military. But how many precisely? The answer is still classified. No audit of the fate of all these souls has ever been published.
the fate of the missing prisoners held by the CIA and the Pentagon – threatens to become the next big scandal.
1000’s are missing – Bush has Tortured 1000’s to death — wait for it
November 21st, 2006 at 6:07 pm71 percent of Iraqis want the US out.
Dubya say: “If we quit, we lose”
Hello, McFly, anybody home…
November 21st, 2006 at 6:14 pmWatch the Center for American Progress on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=seeprogress
Contribute to the collective genius.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:21 pma simple “forgiven” would have been enough
November 21st, 2006 at 6:26 pm#76
1) Progressive means being able to progress past the retrograde, neo-con desire for violent solutions to problems…meaning Progressives embrace non-violence, therefore any manifestations of violence such as a military or private ownership of weapons is to be militated against.
The constitution gives us the right to bear arms and provides for military to protect our country.
If you want to disarm me, you are welcome to try, but I promise the experience will not be one you would enjoy.
to answer 2. If you wish to take my property away, see my above comment on my right to bear arms, again, I do not think the experience would be pleasant to you
in 3, you are proposing anarchy.
in 4 you are advocating the “state” control us and tell us what is good for us. I’m not much into communism, Red China style.
I have a suggestion…
Don’t be smoking the “groovy” cannabis before posting and you may be able to post something sensable.
Now you can return to calling this Indian a racist, because I still think OJ is guilty as f*ck.
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November 21st, 2006 at 6:33 pm#90, Bravo, well said. I didn’t think that Dems though like that anymore.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:37 pm#90, Bravo, well said. I didn’t think that Dems though like that anymore.
— robert
I’m a registered independant =)
November 21st, 2006 at 6:41 pm#94, don’t have those back home, it is either mule or dumbo
November 21st, 2006 at 6:44 pmRE Post # 90:
Wayne,
Your insinuation of violent act should you seek to adhere to a retrograde perspective makes one think that you are not a good Liberal, Progressive, or Democrat.
The constitution is a living document, subject to, nay, requiring, drastic modification to bring it out of the 18th century and in line with contemporary perspectives
Any good Progressive worth his weight in hummus knows that the second amendment is out dated.
So why would you want to adhere to backwards concepts such as gun ownership, personal income, or private property ownership?
Progressives WILL drag you from your dittoheadlian coccoon and into a glorious workers paradise. Why go against the flow?
November 21st, 2006 at 6:51 pm#96, because it is our right to. and I would stand next to him, spot his rounds and call for adjustment.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:56 pm‘workers paradise’, ‘private property ownership’, ‘personal income’
There’s nothing progressive about marxist-leninism, sonny.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:04 pmOh and cut out the bold text – shouting doesn’t make you more right, although you easier to scroll right past – thanks for that.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:05 pmPost # 97:
I would stand next to him, spot his rounds and call for adjustment.
Comment by robert
Bravo, Robert, spoken like a true, blood-lusting, violent, anti-peace, knuckle dragging, neo-con tool.
Don’t forget to salute smartly and goose-step sharply into that valley of death.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:06 pmDear jumper – What is the ideal tax rate you advocate?
November 21st, 2006 at 7:07 pmYour insinuation of violent act should you seek to adhere to a retrograde perspective makes one think that you are not a good Liberal, Progressive, or Democrat— Junpy
I said if you want to try to take my arms away or my land, you would not like my response.
I would defend my rights, just as I have defended my country in the past. Don’t try to take what’s mine and I have no reason to defend my rights. Just like you accusing people of being racist when you views are challenged, you are wrong once again.
You seem to not know what makes a person a liberal, progressive or democrat. You seem to be reading from Mao’s handbook, not from any progressive perspective I have read.
The constitution needs to be defended from people advocating crap like you are, just like it needs defended from people like the neocons in office now, especially from a president that thinks the constitution is a “goddammed piece of paper”
We do not need, as you put it the “state” deciding what is “good for us”. There is way too much of that going on now.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:09 pm#99 – “‘workers paradise’, ‘private property ownership’, ‘personal income’
There’s nothing progressive about marxist-leninism, sonny.”
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
********Dear Turtle – I hate to ruin your reputation but thank you for slapping Jumper Progmarxist back. I haven’t figured if he’s a trust fund baby gone guilty or a perpetual victim…..
Happy Thanksgiving!
November 21st, 2006 at 7:13 pm#101, thanks (i think)
and the word to TWO-step, not goose-step. the later is hard on the knees.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:14 pmFor thanksgiving you can eat me MA – I’ve no time for you since I caught you red-handed posting under my handle.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:16 pmand the word to TWO-step, not goose-step. the later is hard on the knees.
— robert
LMAO
November 21st, 2006 at 7:19 pmI think we should do as the Iraqi people ask — sooner rather than later.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:21 pm“For thanksgiving you can eat me MA” Comment by Terry the Turtle
November 21st, 2006 at 7:23 pm*******Turdle – No thanks. I have an aversion to reptiles and amphibians.
I think we should do as the Iraqi people ask — sooner rather than later.
— Zooey
Agreed, and in less than a Friedman.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:31 pmOur men and women in uniform bleed because some politicians lied us into a war.
And they forgot all about Osama.
I STILL haven’t seen a ONE refutation of my posts.
Just a whole lot of nanny-nanny-nyah nyah name calling.
From the looks of these responses, this isn’t much above the howler monkey noise making and turd-flinging…reactions which I expect from the lowly neo-cons, not evolved, forward-thinking progressives.
I fail to see why my challenges to the accepted convention generate such juvenile-level hostility.
C’mon people, grow up.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:31 pmI think we should do as the Iraqi people ask — sooner rather than later.
— Zooey
Agreed. They say leave then we need to. Can we get their Prez to say it though? If so, then the mission would at least have SOME success even with the failures.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:42 pmAnd they forgot all about Osama.
Comment by Wayne
It’s hard to remember someone they never gave a shit about to begin with.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:43 pmIt’s hard to remember someone they never gave a shit about to begin with.
Comment by Zooey
Not true, we loved him in the 80s. remember the supplies to the mujahedeen? So you can’t say “never”
November 21st, 2006 at 7:54 pm#128, Never said we shouldn’t leave, did I?
November 21st, 2006 at 7:56 pmI STILL haven’t seen a ONE refutation of my posts.—- jumpwings
I don’t think he reads too good.
You have been refutiated.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:58 pmYou are one to speak of juvinile-level hostility when in another thread you went on a rant calling me a racist in another thread.
You have already spent all you non-existant credibility with that one.
#131. It’s called a proxy war I believe. We cared enough about Osama to supply the “Muj” to fight a battle with Russia for us. After the true “Muj” was overtaken by the Taliban they use the supplies and training we gave them to attack us. A case of creating your own monster.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:05 pmRead what ever you want into it, truthful, I try to say what I mean. I am just not as eloquent as you, I guess.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:08 pmOk, granted, I may not be the smartest person in the room, but I am here to try to gain a complete understanding….. I am new to this whole blog thing(wtd is a troll, by the way)….now, can’t we all just get along
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
In light of this comment I intend to take a gentler and less adversarial approach with you, Robert.
I intend to get more adversarial with MA, however.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:19 pm#142, you are a true gentleman (or lady, whatever the case is)
November 21st, 2006 at 8:23 pm#142 – ‘I intend to get more adversarial with MA, however.’
November 21st, 2006 at 8:24 pmComment by RealScientist
********Dear RS – Spoken like a REAL man…. I’ve heard tell you have a difficult time getting adversarial with a paper bag…..I’m not the least bit worried about YOU. But you ARE precious…..
Not true, we loved him in the 80s. remember the supplies to the mujahedeen? So you can’t say “neverâ€
Comment by robert
I’m using post-9/11 thinking.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:44 pm#142, you are a true gentleman (or lady, whatever the case is)
Comment by robert — November 21, 2006 @ 8:23 pm
Thank you, though I am not sure I have earned your compliment. By the way, I am a 45 year old man.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:46 pmI’m using post-9/11 thinking.
Comment by Zooey
Just looking at pre 9-11 actions that created post 9-11 society.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:49 pmWho was Prez in 1979? We started sending supplies 6 months PRIOR TO the Russian invasion in 1979. What was that guys name with all the teeth? Some dude from Georgia, I think.
— robert
Yep, Carter did that.
But Raygun sent weapons and trainers. Cia, military trainers and Mercs were sent for that. Gave them the tactics to beat the Soviets, then later, after the Soviets left, they turned against us.
They even gave them stingers. How whacked is that?
November 21st, 2006 at 8:53 pmDear RS – Spoken like a REAL man…. I’ve heard tell you have a difficult time getting adversarial with a paper bag…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 21, 2006 @ 8:24 pm
The gasbag finally made me laugh.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:56 pmYour ignorance of sarcasm is only surpassed by your inability to realize how you’re dancing to the tunes I’m calling.
Comment by jumpwings
Hey, thats a battle you are going to lose. Do your reduced self-esteem a favor and go.
November 21st, 2006 at 8:57 pmJust looking at pre 9-11 actions that created post 9-11 society.
Comment by robert
Im sure you are including all CIA support of OBL, Reagan´s support of Saddam, and your aircraft school facilities for Saudis.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:00 pm#154 So did John-Boy
“Carter sent military aid to the Islamic fundamentalist mujahadeen to fight the leftist government in Afghanistan in the full knowledge that it could prompt a Soviet invasion”commondreams.org
November 21st, 2006 at 9:01 pmJust looking at pre 9-11 actions that created post 9-11 society.
Comment by robert
Well, Robert, if you want to, you can go all the way back to the alleged Garden of Eden to distribute blame. I’m trying to be a little more practical.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:02 pmCia, military trainers and Mercs were sent for that. Gave them the tactics to beat the Soviets, then later, after the Soviets left, they turned against us.
Comment by Wayne
You forgot US made them heroes in Rambo III…
November 21st, 2006 at 9:03 pm#154 So did John-Boy
— robert
thanks for the link. Yeah I know he did, but I didn’t have that info. My old Soldier of Fortune Mags, which were my source for the Reagan involvement don’t go that far back LOL.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:08 pmIm sure you are including all CIA support of OBL, Reagan´s support of Saddam, and your aircraft school facilities for Saudis. -Juan C
Can’t deny the Saudis the right to the aircraft schools if they are here”legally”.
Yep, Regan blew it in Iraq with another proxy war that we are still paying for (only now, the hard way)
and BTW Rambo III sucked, except for the grenade-arrows
November 21st, 2006 at 9:09 pmYou forgot US made them heroes in Rambo III…
—- Juan C
Yeah, but face it, that was a forgetable movie. lol
November 21st, 2006 at 9:11 pmYeah, but face it, that was a forgetable movie. lol
Comment by Wayne
:) I like when he hangs/shoots/blows the bulky russian.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:15 pmJuan, you know better than to judge the U.S. by Hollywood. That is like judging all Christians by Falwell or Muslims by OBL
November 21st, 2006 at 9:15 pmJuan, you know better than to judge the U.S. by Hollywood.
Do you think? For example:
Lord of the Rings: Good vs Evil (no other option)
Cinderella: Good girl vs. Awful Queen
Chuck Norris movies
Silvester Stallone movies
Arnold movies
Good vs bad (no more options)
Now, President Bush: You are with us or you are against us.
Get the pattern?
November 21st, 2006 at 9:27 pmMaybe goodscarrier will harass Jigga about his off topic shit.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:31 pmNow, President Bush: You are with us or you are against us.
Get the pattern?
— Juan C
You forgot Bush’s “Bring’em on”, which has to be the stupidest thing any president in the history of the US has ever said.
Now if he had been standing on the front lines with a gun in his hands?
November 21st, 2006 at 9:31 pmit still would have been the stupidest thing any president in the history of the US has ever said.
Juan C,
November 21st, 2006 at 9:33 pmThe problem withhumanity is belief in religion. The fact that people belive in fairy tales. Or in God that doesn’t exists. Atheism and Science are the truth!
But you know that “Good vs Evil” is subjective. And, dare I say, life is not about absolutes.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:34 pmNow if he had been standing on the front lines with a gun in his hands?
it still would have been the stupidest thing any president in the history of the US has ever said.
Comment by Wayne
Yes, but we’d have one problem solved.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:34 pm#169, Sorry, “it depends on what the definition of “is” is” beats it. Oxford educated, too
November 21st, 2006 at 9:35 pmFolks, gotta go, Momma is home, time to cuddle. Keep the applause to a minimum
November 21st, 2006 at 9:38 pmBe well, robert.
November 21st, 2006 at 9:43 pm#173
That was stupid of Clinton, but he did not dare anyone to attack our men and women in uniform over the “blue dress”.
Bush’s still beats Clinton’s for the stupidest comment ever.
Night, robert
November 21st, 2006 at 9:50 pmYes, but we’d have one problem solved.
— Zooey
No, then Cheney would have been president. =P
November 21st, 2006 at 9:55 pmBush’s still beats Clinton’s for the stupidest comment ever.
Comment by Wayne
Oh, come on! Im not a Clinton´s fan, but come on, he seems Herodotus in comparison with Bush…
November 21st, 2006 at 9:58 pmNo, then Cheney would have been president. =P
Comment by Wayne
Oy. I can’t keep track of everything…
November 21st, 2006 at 10:04 pmOh, come on! Im not a Clinton´s fan, but come on, he seems Herodotus in comparison with Bush…
—— Juan C
Clinton was a good president, IMO. But that being said, he did lie about a blowjob. That was stupid.
Bush says something stupid every time his lips move. And it is usually a lie as well.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:06 pmBush definately has any president beat on stupid. =)
Atheism and Science are the truth!
Comment by Jigga — November 21, 2006 @ 9:33 pm
Atheism? Sounds like a religon to me. Do they have meetings? Now science-that is the truth. So jigga- will the four fundemental forces of nature ever be resolved into one? You know -T.O.E.? What is the “truth” of dark energy and dark matter? Do you have an opinon of Hawking radation? You know the “event horizion”. Can we travel into the future if parked just outside the “event horizon”? Or “Man law” babes-tail gate parties-and Miller?
November 21st, 2006 at 10:08 pmClinton was a good president, IMO. But that being said, he did lie about a blowjob. That was stupid.
Comment by Wayne
I was SO embarassed when that happened, and I couldn’t look at him for months. But after the crap GWB has pulled, it just doesn’t seem so bad.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:11 pmBut that being said, he did lie about a blowjob.
Comment by Wayne
So what? IMO that shows somehow the hypocresy of US citizens…some of them, ok. As far as I know, he was doing a good job in US economy, disastrous in foreign relations as almost every US president, and he had an affair. So, a blowjob = lying about WMD´s, Iraq link with 9/11, Patriot Act, etc. All the people I know think you guys are crazy and angry about almost everything.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:18 pmClinton just said He didn’t have sex with her-I agree. She had sex with him. Now you can all beat up on me. No one should have to be in the position of having to discuss their sex life. Was he stupid? Big yes! The rethugs were looking for anything to get him. A classic case of the little head doing the thinking for the big head. That said–been there–done that. When all is said and done in history-Clinton will go down as one of the best presidents. GWB will be recorded as the worst.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:20 pmMighty A-hole, if you want to describe liberals with the word “Progmarxist,” maybe I should coin the term “Confascist.” It’s slightly less moronic than your term. And, maybe I’m missing something here but it seems to me Robert posted that he wanted every foreign fighter out of Iraq. I agree with him. What’s the beef?
November 21st, 2006 at 10:24 pmThe whole thing should have been between Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. I wouldn’t want to face her wrath…
November 21st, 2006 at 10:26 pmJoe, every time Forbes rates Presidents with one of their charts of economic accomplishments, Clinton comes out on top. Forbes is no left wing rag. You’re right. You’re right. History will record Clinton as one of the most successful presidents of all time and Bush will be seen as one of the worst if not THE worst.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:28 pmBut after the crap GWB has pulled, it just doesn’t seem so bad.
— Zooey
Definately, I would trade Clinton for shrub, if we could.
Impeachment over a blowjob was the lowest point for congress, untill Bush took office, that is. It’s been downhill since.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:28 pmWhat’s the beef?
Comment by Bluedog49
That I dont mind being called a Marxist.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:29 pmWayne,
Clinton was teachable. He messed up big time, and paid more dearly than he needed to. GWB literally has the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands, and yet the Dems say they won’t pursue impeachment — at this time. Frankly, if we could get GWB on trial in The Hague, I’d be satisfied with that.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:34 pmLying about a sexual affair is not an impeachable offense.
On the other hand, illegally diverting funds from Afganistan to Iraq, threatening your own OMB accountant with dismissal if he tells congress the true cost of legislation, ruining an intelligence asset for a political reason, lying to congress as a pretext to war and even publically questioning the value and veracity of the United States government’s credit may well be impeachable offenses.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:37 pmZooey, stating that you want to impeach a president and then looking for a way to do it is what Republicans do. The constitutional process would be to hold oversight investigations and see what happened. If facts emerge that clearly indicate impeachable offenses may have happened (and I believe they have), then you draw up articles of impeachment. Don’t worry too much about public statements regarding impeachment at this time. The plan is probably to bring the facts to light and then let the public demand impeachment if the facts merit it. I think that’s the way the system should work.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:41 pmRemember when Bush was going around the country saying that U.S. Treasury bonds were just “worthless pieces of paper?” That was actually a clear violation of the 14th Amendment. Even that is a greater offense than lying about a bj.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:43 pmBluedog49,
so there may be some things going on behind the scenes that the Dems just don’t want to talk about just yet? And impeachment isn’t totally off the table, just set back a bit?
I do remember when GWB was saying the T bonds were worthless pieces of paper. I thought he was trying to shake the bond market, or just didn’t what the hell he was saying.
He needs to be gone.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:46 pmThe whole thing should have been between Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton. I wouldn’t want to face her wrath…
—- Zooey
I wonder if she lets him out of the house with the clenis yet?
“But Hillary, why can’t I take it? All the other guys are taking theirs”
November 21st, 2006 at 10:47 pmLying about a sexual affair is not an impeachable offense.
Bluedog, you say that, but it still happened. Was Clinton impeached illegally?
November 21st, 2006 at 10:48 pmI wonder if she lets him out of the house with the clenis yet?
“But Hillary, why can’t I take it? All the other guys are taking theirsâ€
Comment by Wayne
She probably implanted some sort of electrode that she can trigger a seizure or pants wetting if she thinks he’s moving out of line.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:54 pmClinton was impeached for lying to a federal grand Jury wasn’t he?
November 21st, 2006 at 10:59 pmIf I catch crap from goodscarrier AGAIN about a thread hijacking, you guys better back me up. Just sayin’
November 21st, 2006 at 11:01 pmClinton was impeached for lying to a federal grand Jury wasn’t he?
Comment by Just me
He lied under oath, I don’t know if it was a federal grand jury, during the Whitewater investigation (?). I don’t know why they asked him about the sexual relationship in that context. But lying under oath is lying under oath — even if it’s off topic.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:03 pmClinton was impeached for lying to a federal grand Jury wasn’t he?
–Just me
United States District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:06 pmIt was the deposition by Paula Jone’s lawyers.
If I catch crap from goodscarrier AGAIN about a thread hijacking, you guys better back me up. Just sayin’
Comment by Zooey
ha! You are so sweet. :)
November 21st, 2006 at 11:17 pmOh, you should listen to this beautiful music… Albinoni´s Adagio.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:19 pmha! You are so sweet. :)
Comment by Juan C
I’m serious. That idiot dogs my ass. Grrr…
I’ll write down that music, Juan, I have no speakers…right now. :)
November 21st, 2006 at 11:29 pmHey Fullofshit,
November 21st, 2006 at 11:30 pmi know your Muslim because you always defend them. How does it feel to know your prophet was a Child Molestor? You woship a phoney Moon God and some damn asteroid in the desert. You loser and beliver in fairy tales.
If I catch crap from goodscarrier AGAIN about a thread hijacking, you guys better back me up. Just sayin’
— Zooey
Blame me, I kinda went jumpy all over jumpwings post =P
I will just ignore he/she/it from now on. hehe
well maybe….
Ok, probably not. =D
November 21st, 2006 at 11:30 pmZooey,
November 21st, 2006 at 11:31 pmAre you an Atheist too, like Juan and I? If so i congradulate that you belive in Science and facts. Not fairy tales.
Any opinions on the poor Lebanese guy that got assasinated today? I know I’ve got some.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:33 pmAnyone here into Old School Rap?
November 21st, 2006 at 11:34 pmWayne,
It doesn’t matter if you were to one going off topic — goodscarrier goes apeshit on me, no matter what. I’ve had it.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:35 pmNow, enters Barber´s Adagio, Zoo.
Probably you remember it in “Platoon” with Charlie Sheen and William Dafoe, in the most dramatic war scene ever, according to the experts. It also appears in a great Danish movie called “Reconstruction”. One of the best romantic scenes I remember.
OMG, Im talking like some nostalgic Beatles female fan.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:36 pmAny opinions on the poor Lebanese guy that got assasinated today? I know I’ve got some.
Comment by Bowdler
Do you have a link? I haven’t heard anything, no tv on today.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:36 pmOMG, Im talking like some nostalgic Beatles female fan.
Comment by Juan C
Is that a bad thing?
November 21st, 2006 at 11:39 pmI follow the spiritual path of my ancestors, Jigga. Shamanism would be closer than anything you would call it.
You have something as bigotted as a Christian would to say about that? Since you are on an antireligion rant.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:40 pmFullofshit,
“BAHAHA, I MAKE FUN of YOU because you SOUND LIKE YET ANOTHER CRAZY CHRISTIAN!!”
I insult you because you’re a Muslim lover. You support President Ahmadinejad. You probably have a picture of Bin Laden on your wall. You also have a picture of Hizaballah leader Nasrallah on your cabinet that you jerk off to!
November 21st, 2006 at 11:42 pmAny opinions on the poor Lebanese guy that got assasinated today? I know I’ve got some.
— Bowdler
haven’t had a chance to read that yet. MsM reporting it?
November 21st, 2006 at 11:42 pmFullofshit,
November 21st, 2006 at 11:43 pmThe fact you attacked me without reading my posts shows your stupididty. Your probably a jerry’s kid that shakes and can’t think straight. I know Chimps with hgigher IQ’s than you!
Is that a bad thing?
Comment by Zooey
As long as I dont say Ringo was a great actor.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:43 pmZoo, its on Yahoo.
Comment by Juan C
Thanks, Juan. Things are going to go bad all over again there. I don’t know how stable it’s been, though.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:45 pmAs long as I dont say Ringo was a great actor.
Comment by Juan C
He does have a great sense of humor. Oy.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:47 pmWayne,
November 21st, 2006 at 11:47 pmYes, trees and animals have no spirits. when you did you die. The Shamans used Halucinigens to sucker people into believing that crap. Religion is a menatal disorder. It should be banned and treated!
As long as I dont say Ringo was a great actor.
—– Juan C
LMAO
I have a dvd of his “great” movie, Caveman. hahahaha
November 21st, 2006 at 11:48 pmThe oriental guy was the only one with real lines the whole movie.
haven’t had a chance to read that yet. MsM reporting it?
Comment by Wayne
Juan sent me to Yahoo. Lebanese assassination.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:50 pmI have a dvd of his “great†movie, Caveman. hahahaha
The oriental guy was the only one with real lines the whole movie.
Comment by Wayne
That’s the one I was thinking of — so weirdly funny.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:51 pmFullofshit,
November 21st, 2006 at 11:55 pmI drink Champagne while you can only afford Bud. i laugh at the peons like you from the VIP room. Hopefully you don’t go to the clubs I go to. I don’t want any suicide bombing you Muslims do!
Jaun: Albinino’s Adagio is a very good tune (my moms favorite). Little known: fact it is a very old song, Albinino was a contempory of Vivaldi. His adagio was discovered and rescored during the romantic age by some guy named Giazatto, which is the version most people are familiar with.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:55 pmJigga: one should be careful whan assuming atheists have any less likely to kill a lot of people, than are the religious. Russian and Chinese communists were/are devoted atheists. And they were responsible for 100s of millions of deaths. Really what we should fear is anyone that think they know all the answers. We should also be fearful of anyone that believes their idea is worth the sacrifice of human life. Therfore I am agnostic.
Zooey: I don’t have any links to the Lebanese assasination handy. There are pieces on it on Raw Story, and the HufPo. Common knowledge says it was the work of the Syrians. I think that doesn’t quite add up.
Yep, you are just a bigot in another skin, Jigga
Thought so……
The problems with this world is people like you ( bigots ) who have notolerance for anything different than your status quo.
Bigots are not worth my time to respond to.
dismissed.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:56 pmThe oriental guy was the only one with real lines the whole movie.
Comment by Wayne
????? Hows so? The other ones what? Improvised? Ha ha ha! That could be funnier. I actually liked the movie a lot…when he crushed the giant egg.
Sorry, I was a kid, when I saw it.
November 21st, 2006 at 11:57 pmHows so? The other ones what? Improvised? Ha ha ha! — Juan C
Watch it again, no one says anything but grunts and one syllable made up words, like “puka”. =)
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:02 amThe assasination of Piere Gemayal was the work of Hizballah/Iran/Syria/Al-Qaeda. Of course Fullofshit and other Radical Leftists will blame the US or Israel.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:02 amThe radical left haven’t ever met a Jihadi they didn’t support!
This proves religion is a mental disorder. No religion, no problems!
Wayne,
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 amYour the bigot. Leftists can’t stand people that have contrarian views. Your ilk claim intellectual superiority. I call that ignorance anbd stupidity. I know what makes you Lefties think. I was once one of you!
Watch it again, no one says anything but grunts and one syllable made up words, like “pukaâ€. =)
Comment by Wayne
You can tell they were having so much fun making that silly movie.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:07 amComment by Wayne
You should see me…Im laughing so hard about things I dont remember…
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:08 amYou can tell they were having so much fun making that silly movie.
—- Zooey
Oh yeah, they had a blast. hehe
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:10 am241: So on the same day that the Syrians are reopening diplomatic relations with Iraq. An act that would lessen its degree of isolation and increase its regional influence. Syria chooses to assasinate Gemayal. An act that they know would be pinned on them. And would undermine their renwed presence on the world stage. Clearly a case of 1+1=bullsh*t.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 amYou should see me…Im laughing so hard about things I dont remember…
Comment by Juan C
You should watch it again, Juan. It will be a while new movie for you. :)
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:15 amFullofshit,
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:15 amI’ve wipped in you in every post. You’re a delusional nut job. I can think unlike you that barely has a brain and just repeats today’s Leftist or Islamic talking points. Come up with something original when you come at me.
You’re the weakest link. Goodbye. Dismiss little boy.
Go jerk off to that Zarqawi poster you have!
It will be a [whole] new movie for you. :)
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:17 amFullofshit,
“You CRAZY CONSERVATIVES – REALLY NEED a NEW PLAYBOOK!!”
I’m not a Conservative. But like all ignorant fools you just assum I’m that. I’m a Nationalist that belives in the greater good of my country. Unlike you who roots for the Isalamic Supremists.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:18 amI like my Women in a bikini, you like yours in a Byrqa. that’s the difference.
Now go jerk offon that Sheik Nasrallah t-Shirt you have.
Jigga: you claim to be an Atheist, but the only religious group you take umbrage at are the Muslims. To a religiously neutral person you should be at least as insulted by Christians. After all, they believe people that don’t ascribe to thier beliefs should be tortured for eternity in the fiery pits of hell. They also are rooting for the end of the world in Armageddon just so Jesus can stop by. Really, why not the same aggression towards Christians?
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:27 amJigga must be 18. Give him some slack. Prom is near. He is tense.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:29 amJigga must be 18. Give him some slack. Prom is near. He is tense.
—- Juan C
hahahaha
Maybe trying to figure out what diurnal preverication means will keep him busy a few days. =)
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:36 amJuan: I live in a little town pop. 187, and trust me people are that stupid all the way up into their 70’s (or until they die and are cast into the fiery pits of hell). Plus I don’t know about wherever you are from, but in Michigan prom is in the springtime.
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November 22nd, 2006 at 12:44 amFullofshit, Juan and wayne,
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:44 amYou guys are delusional idiots. That think you’re gonna change the world. Wake up and smell the coffee. All you guys do is bitch and moan and believe nonsence conspiracy theories.
All in all a bunch of losers that can’t get any pussy. So you bitch and moan about life. what’s that gotten you guys?
Nothing. I come here to mock you’re delusions of granduer. As if your a bunch of influential people when your a bunch of no name losers.
You guys want to be like Voltaire, in reality you guys are just a bunch of Roanld McDonald clowns!
I’m about to get me some 1st class pussy that wouldn’t give you herbs the time of day!
I live in a little town pop. 187, and trust me people are that stupid all the way up into their 70’s
I dont understand whats that answer for. I probably said something stupid about US citizens. I apologize, but the general impression about you guys, is that you are hysterical and angry. I personally know/knew a lot of US citizens, they all were perfectly fine to me.
Plus I don’t know about wherever you are from, but in Michigan prom is in the springtime.
Comment by Bowdler
Im from Argentina. Prom doesnt exist there, just a party that nobody cares who you go with or how are you dressed. I spent my high school years in Mexico. There is not a prom night (which is good cause Id probably gone with my sister), a trip to a beach is more likely to do.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:46 amJuan: I wasn’t trying to insult you. I just meant that I run into people as stupid as Jigga all the time, and they are not necessarily 18, actually usually 35-70. The prom spring part was just educational.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:56 amhe’s definately 8 years old, Juan, not 18.
hehe
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:58 amJuan: I wasn’t trying to insult you.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:02 amFar from it. I though I had made the offense. :)
#185 – “Mighty A-hole, if you want to describe liberals with the word “Progmarxist,†Comment by Bluedog49
********Dear Bloopup – I’ll bet you’re the same kind of person who comes in late at the cinema and spends the next ten minutes disturbing those around you while you TRY to figure out the plot and players…..My “Progmarxist ” label was directed specifically at the radical JumpWINGS. Progs on are on the same platform with a toned down rhetoric – they simply enjoy progressing to the state of “social justice” on the sloooow boat…..Better luck appearing fairly intelligent next time…..
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:23 amMA. Praying time is over?
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:26 am#272 -” MA. Praying time is over?” – Comment by Juan C
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:33 am******No JuanC, I just finished making the dressing for my Thanksgiving dinner and the basting for the turkeys…..Shouldn’t you be at the “Juan and Eva Peron Heil Hitler Rally”????
Shouldn’t you be at the “Juan and Eva Peron Heil Hitler Rally�???
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Ohhh, youve been reading all the posts…such an obsessive person. Thats a good christian legacy: obsession and guilt. On behalf of all Argentina, I apologize for letting nazis be sheltered in Latin America…now, will you apologize for little Prescott boy? Maybe for US army NOT dismantling German war technology/industry, or throwing troops over Berlin once Russians won the war so those evil communists didnt take over Lisboa? Perhaps for Coke creating Fanta in order to keep making business in Germany while US was at war, or FD Roosevelt describing Mussolini as “such an elegant man” and praising fascism. Thats what you Christians are taught to do, right? To apologize and say yes to whatever fairy tale someone wrote on a 1,800 y/o book.
No llores por mÃ, Argentina …
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:45 amGood lord, if even Henry Kissinger now says that military victory in Iraq is impossible, pretty soon George W. Bush really will be left with just Laura and Barney on his side.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:16 amNew Survey: Iraqis Want a Speedy U.S. Exit — and Back Attacks on Our Forces
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:30 amhttp://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003410658
Hidden costs wait to surface from Iraq war’s depths
For every 10 soldiers killed in Iraq, another 75 are injured. Vietnam, by comparison, produced 26 injuries for every 10 deaths.
Mr Campbell, a former naval officer, describes Iraq as a war that is being “funded by debt on a national credit card that is being financed by China”. America’s public debt has risen by more than a third to over $8,000bn (€6,240bn, £4,215bn) since the start of the Bush administration. China’s foreign reserves, mostly held in US treasury bonds, are close to $1,000bn.
“It is too early to be sure what effect Iraq could have on the America public,” he said. “It could be anger, it could be isolationism or some longer-term malaise. There is still a lot that we cannot anticipate.” Others are less pessimistic. “America’s standing in the world is as low as it has ever been,” said Mr Nye. “But people resent America because of our policies not because of who we are. We need to change our policies.”
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:45 amNew Survey: Iraqis Want a Speedy U.S. Exit — and Back Attacks on Our Forces
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:47 amcan the US file a civil suit against Bush and Cheney for this? I know that they won’t be able to cover the whole tab, but it would make a dent, that’s for sure. And Bush Sr., too, for refusing to supervise his adolescent child for the last 5 years–now we’re talking!
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:04 amI sure hope there’s a liberal lawyer or two at least considering this…..I know that most of the public would be likely to state that anxiety, sleeplessness, worsening health problems, etc., have increased enormously during this presidency–mostly due to the war in Iraq that George W. Bush CHOSE to initiate, but I bet they’e be willing to forego damage claims and have the $$ applied to the debt. I know I would.
Stop crying, Oasis singer tells UK troops
NOEL Gallagher of the British rock band Oasis told soldiers fighting in Iraq to stop complaining when they get wounded.
The chief songwriter and lead guitarist said troops loved getting involved in war-zone action until they get hurt.
In a wide-ranging rant, the fired-up 39-year-old also turned his guns on British Prime Minister Tony Blair, environmentalists, Elton John, his brother Liam – the lead singer in the band – and predicted his own daughter would become a “mental, axe-wielding, cyber-punk lunaticâ€.
“Blair made an almighty cock-up going to war in Iraq,†Gallagher told The Sun newspaper.
“You get a million people walking through Hyde Park – ‘don’t send the troops’ and all that.
“The troops want to go, all they want to do is fight! They’re soldiers. They’re loving it, until they get shot – then they’re claiming compensation.
“If you’re bothered about getting shot – here’s a thing – don’t join the army.â€
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:08 am#285, And if the troops do not like the statements, they can request that the PX not carry any Oasis CDs too!
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This is the second time in 2 days DRxJ has taken the trouble to follow what I say. I guess I got your panties in a bunch
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
I thought you didn’t care what I have to say
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:04 amI thought you didn’t care what I have to say
Nahh, that’s why I contstantly cut, paste, and criticize basically everything you post (which has been proven time and time again in previous threads), because your posts are so non sensical
This is the second time in 2 days DRxJ has taken the trouble to follow what I say. I guess I got your panties in a bunch
Now, don’t flatter yourself. You really are no trouble at all to debunk every… single… time!
But I do have one suggestion: you should change your posting “name” to Not Really Interested in Debating Guy
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:31 amWhere did my post go? At the risk of posting twice I thought it was nice that DRxJ has been following my posts. He quoted me yesterday also. I guess I got under your skin.
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
I win – NEXT
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:49 amHe quoted me yesterday also. I guess I got under your skin.
Comment by Happy Guy — November 22, 2006 @ 11:49 am
Shhhhh, Happy Dude, I wasn’t even near the “internets” yesterday, thus I had no opportunity to “quote” you.
Geez, does it ever get tiring of being debunked so many damn times?
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:01 pmYeah, you WIN, just about as many times as my beloved LIONS, which is basically….NEVER!
The Bush Administration is doing more harm than good for both the Iraqi government and the American people. If the Iraqi’s want the troops gone then bring them home! Let’s not forget how much this is going to cost just because Bush wants to look like he actually knows what he is doing.
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