Rush’s red state blues.
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Rush’s red state blues.
A new Democracy Corps poll finds that, in conservative-held congressional districts nationwide, “liberals” and “progressives” are viewed more favorably than Rush Limbaugh. On a scale of warm (100) to cold (0), here was the breakdown: progressives 45.0; liberals 40.1; Rush Limbaugh 33.0.
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Everybody knows Ruch is as cold as ice. You have to be to attack somebody with a debilitating disease.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:27 pmAhh, the 30 percenters again.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:28 pmTime for the rightard traitor to kill himself, even his own rightard cult followers hate him.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:29 pmProgressives are haters.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:40 pmMaybe the god damned rightards will start to blame their fat Fuhrer’s low rates on hippies and penguins.
What f*cking morons. But then we’re talking about rightards, after all.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:42 pmProgressives are haters.
— Kevin
We only hate you, Kevin. Everyone else we just mearly dislike =)
November 21st, 2006 at 1:46 pmHate me? You don’t even know me.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:52 pmIt’s about damned time!
November 21st, 2006 at 1:53 pmKevin is a hater.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:53 pmA Miracle!
November 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pmHEY!!! What is wrong with a drug-addled hypocrite speaking the mind of Uncle Karl and Mad Dickie, anyway? And a 30% approval rating seems a bit high, (until you consider the 30% it includes).
Besides….. it’s all Clinton’s fault.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:55 pmMeaningless. I’m not saying he’s not a dick, but this is a slanted question. Comparing people’s approval of a demographic to a single person is just stupid. Apples to oranges.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:58 pmWhy does Kevin hate America?
November 21st, 2006 at 1:59 pmYou are what you post.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:00 pmIf you aren’t what you post
then you are either
a) a liar
b) mentally challenged
c) just plain dumb
or all of this.
Kevin is it true you’re a registered sex offender?
November 21st, 2006 at 2:02 pmI don’t hate America. I don’t like what the Dems want to turn American into.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:05 pmMore personal attacks. Why do progressives hate people that disagree with them?
November 21st, 2006 at 2:08 pmNo I just hate morons like you, I disagree with “normal” people all the time, who’s first words in a blog are not an attack…
You are a turd…. now go lay in the yard with the rest of them..
November 21st, 2006 at 2:11 pmWell, at least his poll numbers are like Duhbyas. (Pretty fuc*king pathetic). But, who could possibly expect more out of tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber?
November 21st, 2006 at 2:12 pmKevin is a 30 percenter. He can’t be helped.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:14 pmRemember that old joke about how to become a Texas Millionaire?……… You start with Daddy’s Billion.
But seriously, think Yale is wishing they could give back the Bush Crime Family money and get back that phony degree Daddy bought for Dubya?
November 21st, 2006 at 2:18 pmNovember 21st, 2006 at 2:20 pm
Kevin, what is it exactly that you think democrats are going to do to America? We respect the constitution and the founders intents, or at least we try to. We don invent new intents. like the right does. FOr example it is a common thought ont he right that thhe founders wanted religion as part of our governnment, which could nto be further fromt he truth. All one has to do is read what they wrote ont he subject. Also it is a rightwing thought that the consitution does nto have checks nad balances (the rpesident famously said that the election was his accountability moment) when that coudlnot be further from the truth. All one needs to do is read the writiings of the founders to figure this one out. The right also believ that the constituion gives them free reign to do whatever they desire as long as they are in the majority, which is also so far from the truth and the founders intentions. So the dems are not at war with the constitution.
Are you afraid that American cities will be bombed or otherwise destroyed? Too late for that as New York was Bombed wwhile the US was in the care of the republicans. New Orleans drownned while in the care of the Republicans. Oklahoma City was bombed by a right wing zealot. So the physical destruction in America is pretty much brought on while the right has had control, or by the right.
Are you afraid the dems will spend outrageously? WHoops, the right has that one cornered and has set a new standard for irresponsibility. How about worried that the left will get us involved in a military quagmire? The right has already been there, done that.
So pleasse tell me what you mean?
November 21st, 2006 at 2:30 pmCut Kevin some slack! At least he is reading some meaningful dialogue here, unlike the ‘darkside’ bloggers!
November 21st, 2006 at 2:30 pmFirst
And then
Yes, the trolls really are that stupid.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:35 pmMy Pet Goat will soon be put out to pasture.
Then, Kevin can Shepard him with Grilled Cheese sandwiches.
Worst. President. Ever.
Kevin, if you don’t like what people think of you, why do you insist on posting at a site for Progressives? Your lack of intelligence is glaring, you don’t ‘get’ a simple parody or joke, you try to change topics on a thread.
Oh, wait! You’re the Clown King’s Jester! I forgot. OK, now I know why you’re here. I hope they’re paying you better than our American soldiers; they can hardly get by.
If you are the Jester, please…come up with some humor, bad jokes, anything but trying to redirect intelligent adults discussing issues of the day. You don’t fit in. You’re the square peg.
Any other questions, Kevin?
November 21st, 2006 at 2:35 pmWell, what do you know, some conservatives have a brain after all.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:38 pmSorry, TP’ers, Kevin got me distracted with his BS.
Regarding Rush’s blues…
November 21st, 2006 at 2:45 pmMore hate & lies spread about Americans than even Fox News.
Rush doesn’t want Democracy, he wants a dictatorship, as long as it fits his views.
He’s been in the saddle far too long. Let’s hope his ratings follow Fox’s and go down that rich man’s toilet, along with his Oxycontin.
If we enacted tougher immigration laws, where would he get drugs? His Housekeeper would be deported!
Rush is racist.
Rush makes fun of people with Parkinson’s disease.
(I bet he wishes he could take that one back!)
Rush is a lot like Kevin. They both ignore reality & make shit up when they run out of excuses for unsupported factoids.
Maybe these two could take a long cruise together. Kevin could run errands at ports of call, Rush could look up some young Caribbean boys, give Mark Foley a call & party down.
And they call us whackos?
Hate me? You don’t even know me.
— Kevin
Now apply that to your own statement “Progressives are haters” =)
November 21st, 2006 at 2:45 pmI don’t like what the Dems want to turn American into.
Comment by Kevin — November 21, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Then you hate America, because the Dems want to turn it into a peaceful nation who prefers diplomacy to terrorism, protects the Constitution, and cares for all of its citizens including the weakest in their times of need.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:49 pmWhy does Kevin hate snark and sarcasm?
November 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pmNow apply that to your own statement “Progressives are haters†=)
Comment by Wayne — November 21, 2006 @ 2:45 pm
He can’t. That football helmet he wears gets in the way of thinking… :)
November 21st, 2006 at 2:50 pmHey, at least Kevin’s not Jason, or mrhappy (or whatever his monicker is–happyguy?), or MA. He’s nowhere near as obnoxious.
Back on topic: While it’s good to hear that people are beginning to reject the right’s rhetoric and lies about liberals/progressives, I do feel ‘damned with faint praise.’
November 21st, 2006 at 3:09 pmFirst off, Thank you Mark. You did not attack me personally. You also gave good insight into the progressive movement. So thanks for that.
I don’t think you fully understand conservative’s ether. I respect the Constitution. But we are not interpreting it the same way. Not all conservatives are religious. I don’t think the government should tell anyone how and ware to worship. But oh so often it does. Or tries to. Just because “God†is in public view does not mean people should be “protected†from it. I don’t need the government to protect me from “God.â€
And The founders were men of faith. They didn’t want to force it on the people but they never said it couldn’t be a personal influence.
Yes. America was attacked while the republicans were in power. We were all attacked by a highly underestimated enemy. The thing is, Dems still underestimate them. And that is dangerous.
Are you really going to blame a hurricane on Republicans? I do want to point out the Mayor and the governor of Louisiana is Dems. Mississippi is rebuilding nicely. Figure that one out.
The Republicans did spend a lot of money. And that is why they got voted out. But rasing taxes is not an answer. And you can say it’s only on the rich (punish people for being successful) But who do the Dems consider Rich. I am a supporter of the Fair Tax. (fairtax.org) The plan that lets us take home all of our pay and only tax what we consume. Works for me.
As for the quagmire, I would like it if Dems would put (at least some) of the reasonability on the people that mean us harm.
I’m now ready for your fellow progressives to call me every name in the book now.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:14 pmAll I needed to see was the first 3 post on this subject to figure out progressives are haters.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:22 pmYou know, I am a hater. I hate ignorance and stupidity and those, like Rush, that propagate it.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:26 pmDo you the government is the only way to take care of people? What ever happened to personal responsibility? People can’t take care of themselves so the government has to step in?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:30 pmAnd another thing…in regards to the quagmire: The Iraqis didn’t mean us harm. They never attacked us. They had nothing to do with 911. So none of the blame falls on them, it’s all on George W. Bush and his cronies.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:30 pmAnd The founders were men of faith.
Comment by Kevin — November 21, 2006 @ 3:14 pm
“Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear.”
—Thomas Jefferson
“My mind is my own church.”
—Thomas Paine
“If we do not lay out ourselves in the service of mankind whom should we serve?”
—John Adams
“I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.”
November 21st, 2006 at 3:30 pm—Thomas Jefferson
I’m now ready for your fellow progressives to call me every name in the book now.
Comment by Kevin — November 21, 2006 @ 3:14 pm
If you don’t like the consequences of your actions, perhaps you should consider different actions….
November 21st, 2006 at 3:32 pmProgressives Haters? No. I believe they just aren’t on Biblical Time regarding accountability.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:33 pmDo you the government is the only way to take care of people? What ever happened to personal responsibility? People can’t take care of themselves so the government has to step in?
Comment by Kevin — November 21, 2006 @ 3:30 pm
Life is not black and white, but rather many shades of grey.
As long as you think it is only ‘either or’ scenarios that we face, you will continue to choose actions and ideologies that do more harm than good.
No one ever suggested that the government should care for everyone. But in the long run, it is on the best interest of both the individual and the community for there to be social programs. If not, then why does every Industrialized Nation in teh world have them? Why do the countries with the highers standard of living – except the United States – have National Healthcare policies?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:36 pmAll I needed to see was the first 3 post on this subject to figure out progressives are haters.
—- Kevin
All I needed to see was when the Nixon repukes accepted the defecting dixicrats from the democratic party after the civil rights bill was passed to figure out Republicans and their supporters are racist haters.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pmKeven, when you mention personal responsibility, do you mean being personally responsible for knowingly skirting Federal law by making 30 + withdrawals just under 10k to buy drugs to feed an addictive behavior?
November 21st, 2006 at 3:38 pmNobody likes a loser, and Bush is really looking like one these days. Pity.
November 21st, 2006 at 3:59 pmKevin says “A highly underestimated enemy”
Who is that? A few terrorists who could only manage to attack us on US soil twice in the history of the USA? I wouldn’t call them much of a threat would you? Attacked twice on our soil twice in 230 years, or even if you just break it down, twice in 10 years for recent history? Why are we so afraid of someone who can only attack us so infrequent?
Now shrubby and you idiot enablers have created more terrorists by attacking Afghanistan and Iraq. Who’s next Iran, why do you right wing wackos hate life, not just America, but all life?
It’s really because you on the right are a bunch of “chicken little” pussies. Afraid of things written in a book 1000’s of years ago.So any new “fear” that can be used against you will be. So a few terrorists most who can’t afford dinner, you are afraid of them?
KEVIN IS WIMP!
You are more likely to die from heart attack, or cancer than from a terrorist. So we should give up all our civil liberties over them? Why doesn’t the govt shut down Macdonald’s, and the tobacco companies, they have killed more Americans this month (maybe ecen today) than all terrorists throughout American history…
November 21st, 2006 at 4:28 pmConservative Districts Choose Liberals over Limbaugh…
Uh-oh, time to refill Rush’s oxycontin supply……
November 21st, 2006 at 5:03 pmSome little red and blue pills oughta turn that frown upside-down.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:24 pmKevin I do understand conservatives. I used to be one. When I was a conservative we were for fair play in congress, the current atmosphere (created by the current crop of republicans) of we will make the rules, sign on if you will ,we will pass our laws either way, is by no means related to anything conservative that I grew up with. When I was conservative we believed in fiscal responsibility. Now it seems that all conservatives believe in is low taxes. Fiscal responsibility is so much more than lowering taxes it is also a matter of using the money wisely. When I was a conservative I would have, and am now actually, in favor of allowing medicare to negotiate with the drug company’s in order to best spend the taxes I pay. When I was a conservative the no-bid contracts were cronyism and not a good buy for the taxpayer. What we have done with Haliburton would have been decried and denounced as wrong. Think is Cheney had been a dem what the headlines from the right would have been? When I was a conservative we were in favor of limited government and minimal government intrusion into my life, social issues were personal issues, spying on our citizenry was a big no no. When I was a conservative things were different, now the conservative movement appears to be all about personal enrichment and little else.
I never said the founders were not men of faith, but perhaps you need to examine the faith of those founders. You might be surprised. My point on them was that regardless of how many times you hear that the phrase “separation of church and state†is not in the constitution the intent is eminently clear when you read their writings, Jefferson and Madison in particular. I believe in the original intent, and if Scalia did he would not say moronic things like “the constitution is not a living breathing document†the founders intended it to change with time. They knew that the meanings of words change over time and freely admitted that new rights not known to them might be discovered in the future. They let us know through their writings, which Scalia has to have read. I used to think that I did not agree with his politics, but I respected his judicial mind, no more. The more I read of him the more of a simple partisan hack he appears to be. He claims judicial restraint and original intent then he writes opinions that have nothing to do with either point and uses his own opinions not backed by law. And of course he has his shadow Clarence T to follow him around.
You say dems do not understand our enemies I beg to differ. I think republicans have no clue. The president has pretty much blanketed all terrorists under on umbrella. So to him Hamas, the PLO, the Shiites, Sunni’s & Kurds in Iraq and AlQueda are all the same. This totally ignores that the Palestinians and Hammas are working on homeland issues after their country was conquered and taken from them 60 years ago. It ignores that the Shiites, Sunni’s and Kurds battling each other and us in Iraq have differing agenda’s and even within those groups there are multiple agendas. He ignores that Al Queda is primarlily a Saudi organization that wants us out of Saudi Arabia in particular and to stop meddling in Mid East affairs in general, and that they want the Saudi Monarchy to fall. None of these groups have similar agendas yet our government treats them similarly. Heck look they are just now looking for an Iraq solution? They should have had that ready to go 4 years ago before the invasion.
I don’t blame Katrina on the republicans that would be wrong. I blame the response on them. They, once again, politicized a governmental agency and then ruined it so it could not perform its assigned function. They blew the response. Also through their media hit machine, and yes they are absolutely integrated with each other, they portrayed the victims of Katrina as overwhelmingly black and criminal rather than poor and desperate. Remember way back when they said the Dome needed huge $$ to fix it? How many right wing media types implied that it was because of the blacks that inhabited the dome? Then when the repairs were done, what was the money spent on? The clean up cost a bunch, but those people had no ability to damage the roof. They had nothing to do with the millions in damage due to the stadium being underwater for weeks. They were simply the racially convenient scapegoat. The rebuilding of homes is a totally separate issue related more to ability to pay than anything else.
I never said raise taxes, just put them back where they were when our country was much more prosperous. I happen to work in taxes and as a middle class individual I find that any consumption tax ultimately results in a tax increase for me. If the answer is to spend less then the economy slows as a result and tax rates on that consumption have to be increased somewhere. As to consumption taxes, who do they hit the hardest? Those who live paycheck to paycheck. I am absolutely in favor of income taxes, we just need to fix the mess that has been created. Except for literature from organizations supporting things like flat tax rates, or consumption taxes I have not seen a single piece of serious work written by real tax minds that are in favor of either. All pretty much say the same thing that these schemes result in tax increases for middle and lower classes.
Now once again since you did not answer, what is it exactly that you fear dems are going to do that will wreck the country?
November 21st, 2006 at 5:27 pmOh and on the issue of personal responsibility I find that republicans are in favor of others showing personal responsibility, just not exercising it themselves. I take that opinion awy from observing the leaders of the republican party. Guys like, nope, no mistakes her, Bush. Or I did nothing wrong DeLay. Or there was no Perp Walk Rush. You knwo the guys…
November 21st, 2006 at 5:30 pmNo they weren’t you crazy batshEt piece of crap liar. They were Deist. Go look it up and learn something. But you won’t. You will just continue living in ignorance and push your lies on other people as stupid as you.
November 21st, 2006 at 5:55 pmMark
That was a lot of writing. And I am not going to go down point for point on this forum. But this is how I see things.
People taking reasonability for themselves. If I make a mistake in life and lose my house over it. It was a risk I took that didn’t work out. I don’t want or need the government to help me get back on my feet. I have family and friends (or private charities) that will help me if I need it.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:24 pmI am middle class but I am in a higher tax bracket than some of my friends. Yet due to the taxes my take home is not much higher. I work hard for the money I earn. But the government takes the first cut. And if they decide that I’m too rich they can take more. How is that fair to me or anyone that works hard to be punished for that work with higher taxes. Read up on the fair tax. And remember that rich people spend money too.
It’s not about helping the rich. It’s about the government unfairly taking from me before I see it.
Kevin if you are truely middle class, then there is no way you can support the republicans wihtout hurting yourself. You say you are in the upper end of middle class, then perhaps you need to go back to late 200 and scan the WSJ for their artcle on how republican policy and direction is shifting the tax burden onto the middle class, and how the WSJ supports the effort. If you are truely middle class then there can be no way that you could support a concumption tax or flat tax as everything I have read clearly shows that the consumption tax shifts hte tax burden onto the middle and lower classes effectively raising their taxes. These policies are ruinous for the middle class. I have read on the consumption tax and flat tax, there is absolutely no way I can advocate a tax that hits me harder than the one’s I already have.
As to personal responsibility, I still do not see it at all from the current leadership, and since their loyal 35% are still following them, I have to assume that the rank and file approve and emulate their leaders and have no sense of personal responsibility. Afterall for the last ten years now have not the right wingers been equating every dem with Bill Clinton? And also blaming Clinton for everything, and once agin avoiding responsibility.
But again for the third time, what exactly are the dems going to do to Ameirca that will ruin it? Or is that simply the rhetoric you have used for years and old habits die hard?
By The Way, there have been numerous tax increases over the last few years. Just because the rates do not move does not mean there are no increases. Heck there was one quietly released about one month ago where the definition of what could be included in a calculation was changed thus lowering the deduction. These things happen continually and are in effect taxincreases.
November 21st, 2006 at 6:58 pmI don’t hate America. I don’t like what the Dems want to turn American into.
Comment by Kevin
What do you think Dems want to turn America into? Seriously.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:10 pmAmsterdam.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:19 pmKevin is one of the lower class who thinks he is middle class. I’ll bet he doesn’t make one dime over what I make, considering that I work for one of the largest technology companies in the world and have a really good position in said company.
The difference is that I am a realist. Something republicans have a hard time with.
My entire family thinks my dad is rich. He is not. He may fit into the middle class category, but he definitely ain’t rich. Not by any means.
Stupid republcains so want to be better than the Jones that they think themselves richer than they are. They also have a hard time with the fact that the republcain party is no longer the party of personal or fiscal respoinsibility. So scred that they say things like “Democrats will ruin this counrty.” with absolutely nothing to back it up. All the while ignoring all of the ruining the republicans are doing right now.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:28 pmAmsterdam.
Comment by Kevin
Would you care to expand on that? What’s your problem with Amsterdam?
November 21st, 2006 at 7:39 pmMark. Go to fairtax.org. Read up on it. It’s not a tax hike. I may just under $45k a year. That’s middle class. But I want to move up in the world and make more money. Take more reasonability but I don’t want the government to punish me for that. Not only punish me, but reward people that have no desire to take care of themselves. That does not want to make any real decisions.
I think the Dems want an open border. But if you don’t you get called a raciest.
If you don’t support embryonic stem cell research (and the government paying for it) you want people to get Parkinson’s or some other sickness that they don’t know weather or not stems cells can fix.
I think the Dems want government controlled health care. Sounds good but who pays for it. Business owners. Why do Dems want to put people out of business? And anybody that wants to make money is evil.
Criminals are not reasonable for the crime they commit. It’s because of the gun they bought. (gun laws only apply to law abiding citizens) Or because they had a bad family. Or because they were poor. We need to be compassionate and try to understand the criminal. It’s just too bad that a family is somehow hurt because of it.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:42 pmHate me? You don’t even know me.
November 21st, 2006 at 7:46 pmComment by Kevin
You fire this back here, right after you asserted that all progressives are hateful.
You make no sense. Go home and read a book.
Marie is right, Kevin. You’re not making sense.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:04 amfrom #58
“But I want to move up in the world and make more money.”
That’s ALL you need to know to grok ol’ Kevin. He wants to make more money, and he really doesn’t give a damn about anything or anyone else. Like Edward G.’s character Rocko in Key Largo, Kevin wants more. When asked if he’ll ever get enough, Rocko replies that he never has, and probably never will; neither will Kevin.
Radix malorum est Cupiditas (greed is the root of all evil). Kevin unwittingly alludes to it in this same posting “And anybody that wants to make money is evil.” Kevin seems to be an acceptable representation of this root of all evil. Shall we henceforth call him kevilroot?
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:30 amGoing to fairtax.org and reading their literature is similar to going to FOx News and attempting to get a fair view of the country. Or going to George Bush’s web page prior to the election and attmpting to get an accurate picture of him. i.e. it is biased and slanted towards one view point. Like I said I do taxes for aliving and real tax people almost toa man say that flat taxes and consumption taxes screw the middle and lower classes. They hit the spenders while those who have much more get lowered taxes, and nearly everyscheme presented allows you to get out of much of the tax if you can afford the tax planners. Sorry, but they have to come up with something better than this.
As tot he dems being in favor of Embryonic stem cell research and the governemnt paying for it, your statment is that you are against it, fine. But you really need to know that the government has and continues to fund all kinds of research. They fund research on chemical weapons and nuke weapons. Sure that’s the extreme, but civillian uses come out of it. Ditto for NASA. So government funding is not the issue, or should not be.
Not top be insulting but your points aginst the dems sound like rambling republican soundbites uttered in a state of incoherency.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:07 amKevin,
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:12 amIf all these things you say are right and everything a democrat says is wrong then how did our government and country stay as powerful as it has been under 40 years of democratic rule. If you will look at the stats since 1910 the stock market has performed better under a democratic president than a republican. And lets not for get that Roosevelt tried to keep us out of WW2 until the Japs bombed Pearl. Then he was all in and we kicked major tail. We have been in Iraq longer than we were in WW2. Wanna explain that one to us? Your President has made anyone who disagrees with his policy a traitor. What kind of an American President divides his own country during the time of war? If your such a fine christian then isn’t true that Jesus would want government money spent on health care for its weakest members as opposed to bombs and guns to kill people? You and Rush have far more in common than you want to let on. Democrats have and will continue to be in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ and the founding Father’s intentions than any republican ever will be. Good day….. I said Good Day!!
BTW Kevin….Did you notice that I never once said I hated you, republicans or anyone in general? Thats the difference between you and I. I believe you are entitled to your opinions and should be respected for them But you were the very first poster to throw out the “hate” word. Please tell us why Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly, Coulter at el are lovers of peace and respectful of others who disagree with them and point out the quotes where they actually say they have no problem with my opinions. Would you like me to list all the people those listed above wanted to have killed or eliminated? The haters reside in your camp and it’s best you just come to grips with that. Even your spiritual leaders such as Robertson, Falwell and Dobson have called for the killings of fellow Americans over a difference of opinion. Thats real sweet….kill someone because they disagree with you. Your side’s idea of America is frightening and border line fascist. Can we say “Christian Fascism?”
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:27 amI have no political leanings.. But all I see in this country (and yes I was born here) is 2 groups of people fighting for what they think is “right” or “best” and really doing nothing to help their fellow man or countryman. I see boasting of “I make THIS much money!” or “your just a rightard” I think I may have an age advantage here.. I can see how much the people of this country have been brainwashed.
Its a real shame that the greatest nation on the planet, does not take care of , or even think of, the people that make up the nation. All energy is put forth in forwarding your “political” agenda. Nothing is being done to help the average American get even basic health care. How about a living wage? What about schooling..
Do you really think your political bickering helps anyone?
Tell you what.. Next time you oder chineese or pizza and the dilevery driver comes to the door.. ask him/her 3 questions..
1) if they have medical insurance.
2) is this the only job they have.
3) can they afford to go to school.
I know that you wont ask.
I know that I will be slamed for my view.
I know because it takes courage to make meaningful change.
I know because America is in danger of becoming the land of the cowards.
I know because you will attack what you dont understand.
Erick
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:42 amKevin you earlier made a statement about how friends of yours who earn less than you also take home more than you simply because you are in a higher tax bracket. That is really not possible. You see the tax brackets are incremental. SO as you pass from one to the next you only pay the increase on the amounts over the amount in the lower bracket. If your friends really do take home more than you there has to be other factors, such as exemptions claimed for withholding, insurance, union dues, flexible spending plans, 401-k or other retirement plans etc… But one thing is certain that if all things are equal being in a higher tax bracket you will take home more, it is impossible to take home less. The situation you presented is a myth that does not exist under any circumstances because when all other things are equal the change in tax brackets is incremental.
You also mention a fear of nationalized health care and who is going to pay for it. The answer is easy, you and I and businesses are going to pay for it. I work in a job where I have great benefits already but I also pay $200+ a month for family coverage. The company pays about 4x as much you don’t think it could be a good thing for the amounts you and I pay to get shifted to a national health insurance whereby everyone in the country gets covered? The right wing bellows about Canada, but Canada’s system works. You hear things about people having to wait to get treatment, 1) they get treatment, which is more than the uninsured get in our country and 2) have you ever heard of HMO’s here in the states? Ever tried to get through the red tape with them? What’s the difference? 3) the cynic in me says that people like Bill Frist, who owns hundreds of millions in HMO stocks ((by attribution when you consider family holdings), are simply protecting their interests rather than promoting the greater good of the country. And they sell their arguments to the cheerleading section of fox news and the highly integrated talk radio network.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 am#34 Yes. America was attacked while the republicans were in power. We were all attacked by a highly underestimated enemy. The thing is, Dems still underestimate them. And that is dangerous.
wrong, wrong, and wrong. the word your looking for is OVERestimated.
it was 2 buildings. how many buildings do we have?
it was 3000 people.
drop in the bucket.
through malice or gross negligence americans kill each other at that rate every WEEK.
WEEK.
not month, not year… WEEK. think about that for a second and ask yourself whose more likely to take your life. if you say Omar or Mohammed, your a fool.
Al-Queda is a paper tiger. its more myth than reality. now tell me, what are these guys going to do? .. no, im not talking about some grossly hyptothetical scenario.. im talking about what they could really do….
i’ll say it again.. the beleif that there is a vast superpowered islamic conspiracy that spans the globe is the biggest, most farcical conspiracy theory out there. islamic extemists usually spend more of their energy squabbling with each other than they do “infidels”. the idea that a global network of them could put all this inter-islamic drama aside and focus thier energies on the same goal is.. absurd, and slows a real ignorance of these various groups, their goals, idealogies, and MO’s.
these arab guys have killed less americans than lightning. than the flu. actually the flu has killed alot more.
look at the DETAILS of all the alleged “sleeper cells” in the USA that have been busted since 9-11.. you will see they are a bunch of losers chumps and wannabees, who either were affliated with some islamic militant group whose goals didnt involve the US, or they were total wannabees recruited and egged on by government informants. yes.. one of them even met bin laden once… i hate to bust your bubble but simply meeting Osama Bin GOldstein doesnt make you a “sleeper cell”….. what this pathethic lying government of ours is doing is taking every islamic extremist group, no matter what their goals or agendas and lumping them under the banner of “al-queda”.
and WMD.. puleeez.. this stuff is ALOT harder to obtain, deploy, and use effectively than people make it out to be.. look at the science of it sometime… dont talk in the abstract about how “bin laden could nuke us”….. its alot harder to do than it is to say.. for reasons too numerous to mention…
when you take a close look you will see that almost everything WMD related is not nearly as scary or obtainable as its made out to be. and if anyone thinks that countries (with rulers who presumably enjoy material things, possesions , and power, enough to be running a country) would sign their international death warrant by just handing out this stuff willy nilly to religious nutballs with nothing to lose, they dont understand human behaviour.
im not a dem, i just think deeply enough to realize that everyone who hates me, or hates us, isnt some cackling insane madman who mindlessly does anything and everything in his power to blindly lash out at us, no matter what the consequences or circumstance.
and when i started looking at the DETAILS, something most people can’t digest, i really that this enemy has been grossy, exponentially, mythologically OVERestimated…
could someone use a suitcase nuke on us? its not IMPOSSIBLE.
is it probable? no.
is it highly improbable? yes.
could a metoer hit us? yes.
is it highly improbable. yes.
could I die by slipping in my bathtub tonight? yes
is it probable? no.
how much time and effort are we as a country, and as a people, going to spend obsessing about small possibilities?..a bit is healthy.. spending too much time is just.. retarded… you have to measure probablities when allocating resources to deal with problems… what we are spending on the farcical “war on terror” makes as much sense as spending half our disposable income renting a device that protects you from lightning…. seriously.. the FLU kills more americans each
MONTH than the terrorists did in 9-11
http://www.unitedjustice.com/death-statistics.html
now imagine, if you will, that fighting the flu was as profitable as fighting terror. maybe bush would spend his whole term yapping about nothing but
“winning the war against the flu” and ranting about how he will take all steps necessary to “protect us from the flu”.
you;d think hes retarded….
how about if george bush spend the last 6 years promising to “protect us from meteors”?
youd think hes retarded.
yes can you please explain to me how exactly it is that you determine that the possibility that some non state actor would be able to nuke us is
something we should obsesses and spend half our GPD and effort trying to (over)react to? because Dubya told you to obsesses about it?
And yet, how much money are we spending to deal with the possibility that we may be hit by an even more deadly meteor?
Can you explain to me how exactly the meteor striking the USA is less likely than the nuke and why it merits so much less money, time, and energy?
And yet, here you are, possibly a perfectly intelligent person, led along like so many others, into believing that these smelly guys in caves really and truly pose a threat to our existence, our way of life, or our country.
sad sad sad.
did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, there hasnt been another attack on the homeland because maybe, just maybe, there arent many people who hate us to the extent they would put the effort out to come over here and do something crazy?
did you ever think about that? think its maybe even a possibility?
can you cite cases of real bin laden associates hatching real plots against our domestic interests here in the Usa??… like anything thats been proven in a court of law (and not been overturned by a judge like several were)?
oh wait, there was the truck driver who was going to cut down the brooklyn bridge.. WITH A BLOWTORCH>>> hahahah.. man I hope he brought alot of cool aid.. thats would have been a long drawn out attack….
yes we are hated. hating is one thing.. the hate it would take to dedicate your life to violently attacking america is another… now of course, dubya has given anyone in the ME who hates us a nice target of opportunity (our soliders in iraq).
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:54 am