Cheney to visit Saudi Arabia.
By on Nov 22nd, 2006 at 7:52 pm
Cheney to visit Saudi Arabia.
“Vice President Dick Cheney will leave for Saudi Arabia the day after Thanksgiving for talks with King Abdullah. The vice president’s office said Wednesday that Cheney would meet with Abdullah on Saturday to discuss developments in the Middle East, then return to Washington with no other stops planned.”
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Cheney is looking for gifts to outfit his retirement home because he and the bitch he is married to are so poor. Makes me want to lose my supper.
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:58 pmAny chance Cheney gonna’s take Abdullah hunting?
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:58 pmCheney looking for support is forced to go to Saudi Prince to lick some boots. He’s got nobody left here. My message to Dick – RESIGN!
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:02 pmDoes he really think they would go against Syria, Lebanon and Iran for him? Deluded.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:08 pmHere’s the thing: ever since the whole “we’re addicted to oil” came out of W’s mouth, there’s been some smoothing over to do with the Saudis. We basically called them, well, drug dealers.
I hope Cheney leaves his shotgun at home.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:13 pmDevelopments?
Uh, Dick… -head… We now know that that’s code word for “milking the American Tax Payers for billions of dollars through oil fraud”.
Might wanna be less conspicuous.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:13 pmDemocracy, civil rights, protecting habeus corpus, the environment…. these are the issues I woould expect them to be mulling over.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:13 pmScissors cut paper. Cheney lose.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:15 pmWith Iran, Iraq and Syria getting friendly the WH is going to have to get rather busy. They may actually have to learn to do Diplomacy, instead of just words. Go XXXX yourself, bring it on, etc, it could be a rather steep and slippery learning curve.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:17 pmScissors cut paper. Cheney lose.
Comment by Joefriday — November 22, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
LOL
Though really, those two never lose… just the masses they claim to represent.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:20 pmWhatever Cheney’s doing, it’s no good.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:29 pmThe Bush administration wants Saudi Arabia to put greater diplomatic muscle behind the secular Palestinian president in his standoff with Hamas militants, and to bolster moderate secular governments in Lebanon and Iraq.
Yet more evidence that the Bush administration is so dysfunctional, it’s not even funny.
They want to put pressure on Saudi Arabia for not lending support to a secular government in Palestine, when they cannot even get a close ally (Israel) to stop harassing Palestinians for having voted Hamas into the Parliament.
The Bush administration could also bolster a secular government in Lebanon by asking Israel to refrain from bombing Beirut back to the stone age. The latest Israeli aggresion hardly made Siniora’s job any easier.
As for the Iraqi mess, that is this administration’s own making. To ask the Saudis to help bolster secular governments there, when the invasion has given a boost to nationalist Islamic militias, smacks of “passing the buck”.
Lastly, the House of Saud embraces a very strict version of Islam (Wahhabism), and have made Islam the de facto official religion in their kingdom. They are not exactly the people who could lend a helping hand in bolstering secular, moderate governments anywhere in the world.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:29 pmCheney is making sure that the parachute Abdullah’s been creating for him is gold enough.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:29 pmJust think of all the money big Dick has made for Saudi by making the M.E. unstable.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmCheney: “I see you have a picnic table cloth on your head, Does that mean we are having chicken?”
Abdullah: “No you American Pig we are having you!”
[yeh im joking] I hope that these people can laugh at us and themselves and come to terms that suit all humanity
A hundred years of peace is so close..yet so far
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:52 pmWill they kiss on the lips and walk hand in hand along the sand dunes
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:55 pmIf the leaders cannot make peace then only the masses can
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:56 pmMaybe Cheney needs to strategize with Abdullah on some rear action maneuvers
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:59 pmI wonder if King Abdullah saw that map of Iraqi oil fields that DickWad used in his Energy Commission meetings.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:01 pmCould Saudi oil fields be a backup plan now that the Iraqi fields have been permanently screwed up by DickSter’s boys in the field?
The time comes to change the focus from winning elections to negotiation.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:04 pmCheney is going to give a personal briefing on US PLANS FOR AN ATTACK ON IRAN, probably following another ‘terrorist’ attack around Christmas.
Plot the first few New Moons for 2007 — one of those will be the start of the bombing campaign.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:06 pmThe real goal of the Iraq war was achieved – the removal of Iraqi oil from the market, the rising price of oil – control the supply, control the price – the strategy session will be how to do an end run around the rumors of a brokered withdrawal in the works through back channels
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:07 pmBombing Iran would be one way to continue US military presence and continued control of oil supply and price
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:10 pmThe next progressive step, in my opinion, is moderation, for moderation is negotiation and peace.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:11 pmmost start on march 17 or 18th
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 pmdear readers, what you are seeing is further unfolding of the secret plan discussed by mr hayden….
Tom Hayden suggests that Tariq Aziz and a Malaki coup may be key components to Bush’s exit strategy
According to credible Iraqi sources in London and Amman, a secret story of America’s diplomatic exit strategy from Iraq is rapidly unfolding. The key events include:
First, James Baker told one of Saddam Hussein’s lawyers that Tariq Aziz, former deputy prime minister, would be released from detention by the end of this year, in hope that he will negotiate with the US on behalf of the Baath Party leadership.
The discussion recently took place in Amman, according to the Iraqi paper al-Quds al-Arabi.
Second, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice personally appealed to the Gulf Cooperation Council in October to serve as intermediaries between the US and armed Sunni resistance groups
…
Third, there was an ‘unprecedented’ secret meeting of high-level Americans and representatives of ‘a primary component of the Iraqi resistance’ two weeks ago, lasting for three days. As a result, the Iraqis agreed to return to the talks in the next two weeks with a response for the American side, according to Jordanian press leaks and al-Quds al-Arabi.
Fourth, detailed email transmissions dated November 16 reveal an active American effort behind the scenes to broker a peace agreement with Iraqi resistance leaders, a plot that could include a political coup against Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:13 pmThe next progressive step is to unmask the actors, reveal the play’s true plot, and prevent the slaughter of another 100,000 for the sake of oil profits. The Democratic congress needs to step up to the plate and take the first swing by demanding a peek at the notes from Cheney’s energy task force in 2001 when they planned the invasion of Iraq long before 911. Then they need to have another vote on the war powers they gave to Bush, this time withdrawing them. Let Bush know that if he bombs Iran he will be impeached for war crimes. There’s no moderation in any of that. The time for moderation has long past.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:15 pm“how to do an end run around the rumors of a brokered withdrawal in the works through back channels” –tureen
Sure, tureen, they are just going to leave those four huge airbases and 60-acre citadel to Al Qaeda or Iran.
They will NEVER withdraw from former Iraq. NEVER.
Just keep thinking it’s all about oil. If it was, then why distribute nuclear materiel, explosives, plans, and precision machine tools to Iran, and other hostile or potentially hostile party? Why turn N. Korea back into a nuclear state? Why help arm India for mangoes? Why make friends with Kadafi (and ignore both Lockerbie and A. Khan’s gift of nuclear tech to Libya)?
Limiting your thinking to oil provides a false clarity at the expense of an actual comprehension.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:15 pmMost of americas oil comes from mexico and canada. This war is an Arabic/Semite war. [by proxy]
It’s stupid and it’s ancient and mankind must get over their conquests, the world is known and wired.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:15 pmMaybe european oil, but not american.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pmThis backstory about a coup against Maliki is just more finger-twirling while setting up the war with Iran.
The ONLY HOPE Bushco has is to continue to engage hot warfare and thus hold onto an Executive war privelege that may prevent removal from office.
They are NOT looking for a ‘negotiated’ withdrawal.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:18 pmThe oil companies are global. This isn’t about American oil vs European oil. This is about oil company profits. They control the supply by keeping Iraq oil in the ground. It’s not a mistake that the Iraq oil fields are out of commission. It’s intentional.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:19 pmI agree.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:19 pmArmaments are another source of huge profits. They arm these countries to make money. They don’t care about strategy. They just care about profits. These men and women are out for money no matter what the cost. Your child, my child’s life, doesn’t matter to them.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:20 pmWhatever “Dick” is up to, it’s not good — for any of us.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:21 pmBelieving they have a strategy based on anything other than profit is limiting and naive.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:21 pmBombing Iran would be one way to continue US military presence and continued control of oil supply and price
Comment by tureen
So you think causing chaos and instability in one more oil suppying country would continue the control of oil supply and price. So how much oil and money is generated from the oil being supplied from Iraq? Should we bomb Saudi Arabia to gain even better control of the supply and price?
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmWar is for war profits. They kill two birds with one stone – armament sales and control of oil supply.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:22 pmI don’t favor the bombing, I’m saying that’s their strategy.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:23 pmWar is for war profits. They kill two birds with one stone – armament sales and control of oil supply.
Comment by tureen
Agreed on that. And the supply in Iraq is shut off for a profit reason. But bombing Iran is not the same since there is no way the neo-cons could control the Iranian oil fields.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:26 pmThey won’t bomb Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is part of the cabal. Saudi Arabia is Sunni. Iran is Shiite. The Saudis want to control the middle east. Our military is their proxy army. BushCo sold our children to them to fight their fight for hegemony over the middle east.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:26 pm#40 Tureen,
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:28 pmgot ya.
OK you have a point. Lets review;
Egypt’s President Hosni Mubarak and King Abdullah II of Jordan will open on Sunday the Arab gas pipeline which links the Egyptian city of AL Arish to the Jordanian city of AL Aqaba.
The amount of natural gas which is expected to be exported through the pipeline Arish/Aqaba is estimated by 600,000 tons annually.
The regional project is worth dlrs 1 billion. During the coming phases of the project, the pipeline will be stretched from Jordan to Syria and Lebanon by 2005, Cyprus by 2006 and later to Turkey and Europe.
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/030725/2003072526.html
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmIranians are Persians, not Arabs, and they are Shiite. Saudi Arabians are Arabs and Sunni. The two countries are enemies both religiously and ethnically. The House of Saud has been plotting to take control ever since they were betrayed by the British when they fought to throw out the Turks and the British failed to come through on their promise to give the Saudis the control of the middle east.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmAs you see Europe
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:30 pmSo Tureen Europe is a potential consumer
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:32 pmNo.No No. they are people. Stop putting religion before mankind.
Such is the way to repeat history..break the cycle.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:37 pm30: You said: “Most of americas oil comes from mexico and canada.”
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:38 pmThat is true but, If the supply of ME oil was lessened, market forces would increase the cost of oil from the American hemisphere. The market dictates that ME oil is inextribly linked to the world oil supply.
Zep Tepi
I’m not sure of your point – but let’s look at the players in the gas pipeline – they are all on the other side of the US/Israeli/Iraq equation – Jordan, Syria, Lebanon
There are many players in the energy transport industry – remember that the Taliban were negotiating with BushCo on a pipeline across Afghanistan – and they were warned by BushCo that if they didn’t cooperate on the deal we would invade
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:39 pmZep Tepi
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 pmYou have to understand the players if you want to have an opinion on the game. I’m not putting religion first, they are.
Paint the tape.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:41 pm.
inextricably – I meant. TP needs a spell checker.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:42 pmI agree. But if you look at my post it says STOP putting religion first [as the fundies see this war as one of Jesus]
Perhaps they are, and we should stop that. I agree with much you say. to not put religion first.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:46 pmZep Tepi
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:47 pmIf you don’t understand history, you are doomed to repeat it. It’s important to understand the background, religious and political of these countries. Just saying everyone should love each other is not very productive at the level of nation states and global corporations.
tureen,
i am enjoying and learning from your posts and am glad you came here to do so. what do you make of this saudi trip: is it motivated by the hayden secret plan, getting a bit off the top on the pipeline, or some other bit of deviousness???
as we were discussing briefly on one of these threads earlier, the guardian speaks the truth about gemayel and recognizes the fact that the americans–the cia–may have been, read were, behind the silencers and the black land rovers…
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:47 pm
Zep, #54
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:48 pmI agree
Limiting your thinking to oil provides a false clarity at the expense of an actual comprehension.
Comment by Paul in LA
I agree.
Comment by Zep Tepi — November 22, 2006 @ 9:19 pm
Well spoken “Grasshopper”.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:48 pmOk, explain to me the ‘players’ I am interested in what you have to say
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:48 pmJoe friday your thoughts on the issue, please.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:51 pmNovember 22nd, 2006 at 9:56 pm
Zep
Well I guess just starting with understanding that Persians and Arabs have very long and differing histories. Then there’s the layer of religion. They are both Muslim countries but that is a more recent occurrence. Long before the time of Christ – the Persians and Arabs were creators of knowledge, science, culture, and religion for thousands of years.
I’d have to stop and pull out some books to give you references, which I’m not in the mood to do right now. But if we just stop and realize that the Judeo-Christian-Muhammedan religious continuum is a rather recent compared to the history that preceded these religious trends, we would gain a broader and more enlightened understanding of the problem.
But I think really the problem can be boiled down to a simple fact –
Leaders both religious and political are engaged in what I consider to be a criminal enterprise – the control of resources, particularly oil at this time
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:57 pmSo Cheney with his weak heart is going to fly to Arabia for a brief chat with Abdullah, then turn around and fly back? Sounds like he was summoned by the Big Boss.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:58 pmLove? I did not speak of love I speak of moderaton.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:00 pmIt was the mayans.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:01 pmJames Risser
I find the Lebanese situation very complex. I have read some of Robert Fisk’s writing and it always strikes me that the twists and turns in Lebanese politics are like the back alleys of some old city.
I look at it as multiple gangs of mobsters, dressed in pin stripe suits and sitting in parliaments of various kinds, calling themselves politicians, killing each other off over power, money, revenge. With the US right in the middle playing both sides against each other.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:01 pmthey are all abrahamic..
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:02 pmI think it is much simpler. Neocons wanted to take out Iraq and use the domino therey to create a pro western ME. They got their man in GWB. Now it is a disater and they are looking for a way out. They (Cheney) is leaning on the Saudis that a Iraq ruled defacto by Iran is bad news for them. Of course they are concerned about the OIL. The real question is “Will the Bushco attack Iran? The one thing for sure is that if Iran really gets close to an atomic weapon Israel will take them out. Occams razor.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:03 pmthen they abuse religion?
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:03 pmPaul in LA,
I agree with you that there’s more to the game than oil, and that the Cheney admin is trying to maintain power by attacking Iran. Just don’t think they have enough power left. These murderous fools are finished, iMHO. More murderous fools surely wait in the wings.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:05 pmthat is false
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:05 pmComment by Joefriday
Thanxx Joe! you also make good points
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:06 pmJust look at the recent killing of the Soviet journalist, a woman, a month or two ago, and then recently the assassination of a Putin critic in London. It’s as if the corruption is so widespread and deep, and involves such incredible amounts of money now, that numerous governments are becoming rogue states, as Noam Chomsky has called them, especially the US govt.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:06 pmRogue states committing crimes in the pursuit of profit. They may not even know any longer why they are doing what they are doing. After all, the mob was never known for its intelligence, just its ruthlessness. I think that’s true of these rogue governments.
The Neocons are relative newcomers to the pin stripe mafia. They come out of the Chicago school of economics particularly – believing greed is good, and heavily funded by the Israeli lobby, which parlays its position in the ME in exchange for money and armaments.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:09 pmZep- And I agree it was the Mayans-I still find it hard to believe what the accomplished without any modern equipment.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:10 pmI agree. what is money today?
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:12 pmZep #71
It is true – our science comes out of alchemy and astrology which were nurtured in Arab countries. The greatest library in the world was built in Alexandria Egypt 100 AD.
Read
“Secrets of the Vaulted Sky” by David Berlinsky
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 pm“The Golden Builders” by Tobia Churton
So ‘grasshopper’ we have come to terms?yes?
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:15 pmZep
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:17 pmThe Mayans had knowledge as well. As did the Eqyptians. The pyramids of Egypt and the pyramids of the Mayans hold secrets of knowledge that we don’t understand today. But you can’t say that only the Mayans had knowledge.
The dialectic of light..
Turn the pyramid tward the sun and imagine yourself viewing the pyramid from the sun =)
And I’ll see you guys later
Happy Thanksgiving
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:19 pmBut you do.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:20 pmIt is true – our science comes out of alchemy and astrology which were nurtured in Arab countries. The greatest library in the world was built in Alexandria Egypt 100 AD.
Panagea
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:21 pmCheney is going to Saudi Arabia to negotiate the terms of his exile there after he flees the U.S. to avoid indictment and imprisonment.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:58 pmI never said they ONLY did. I say there is an engrained dialectic in light, which transcends all races and colors.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:10 pmIs Cheney going to Saudi Arabia to inform them that an attack on Iran is imminent? To tell the royal Saud family to be prepared to fly off to Europe when the bombs drop on Tehran?
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 pmjay, that is the question, isn’t it?
knowing it has to be devious, all i can think of is:
one thing for sure, this filthy war-criminal isn’t going over there because he likes the tatter-tots in the diner…
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:33 pmNo.No No. they are people. Stop putting religion before mankind.
Such is the way to repeat history..break the cycle.
Comment by Zep Tepi
I like the way you put that, Zep.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 pm“This war is an Arabic/Semite war. [by proxy]” -Zep Tepi
Arabic is a language. Arabs ARE semites.
“Paul in LA, I agree with you that there’s more to the game than oil, and that the Cheney admin is trying to maintain power by attacking Iran. Just don’t think they have enough power left. These murderous fools are finished, iMHO. More murderous fools surely wait in the wings.” — Jay
Why are they ‘finished’? They have troops in the field, they have infrastructure for continuing an air war indefinitely — there is MASSIVE profit in doing so — they have no solution for the mess without the intensified war, and there is no Congress until February.
I hope they are finished. I hope the Pentagon or the Joint Chiefs can stop them or slow them down. I hope the Dems can produce evidence leading to indictment. I hope Germany takes up the case against Rumsfeld and Gonzales (et al.). I have a lot of hopes, and I’m NOT DONE FIGHTING BACK.
But at the same time, to pretend that it’s all over because we finally broke through the vote-fraud — non sequitur. These folks DON’T CARE about political ‘facts.’ They will be stopped the way all dictators are stopped — by superior force, whether that is the people, their Congress, forces within the military, or corporate bosses.
They are not ‘done’ until they are in handcuffs.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 am“Cheney is going to Saudi Arabia to negotiate the terms of his exile there after he flees the U.S. to avoid indictment and imprisonment.” –RealScientist
Not unless Saudi Arabia just moved to South America, Real.
PARAGUAY.
Recent dictatorship, ‘free trade’ bastion, massive water resources, next to the (now nuclear armed) Moonies. Check, check, and check.
CONSERVATIVE VALUES:
“Inside the family, conservative values predominate. Children must be obedient to their parents, and women are supposed to be subservient to their men.”
Check.
“Godparents have a special relationship to the family, since usually they are chosen because of their favorable social position, in order to provide extra security for the children. Particular respect is owed them, in return for which the family can expect protection and patronage.” –wikipedia
Ripe for mafioso, check.
Jenna and Barbara vacations in Argentina. Check.
Gooood cocaine supply — check (sniff) check.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:10 amCheney was called to see his boss and he must go. Now he has to answer if the Dems will continue to allow stealing of the taxpayers money. If Cheney can’t get the Dems to continue there will be hell to pay as the Saudi’s will most likely take Cheney out. Notice how the twins are having to pay for their drugs with being robbed right under the nose of the Secret Service and Bush was given a warning that he can be caught at anytime or place. Yes Bush will not be able to sleep as he is scared and drunking all night. Daddy can’t help him this time. Cheney tried to play the Saudi’s and now it’s time the Devil pay yes Cheney aka Satan will pay and he thought water boarding wasn’t bad. Let’s see when it’s done to him by the Saudi’s if he still thinks that.
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:00 amI wrote: “and there is no Congress until February.”
Incorrect. Pelosi plans on immediate empanelment, January 4th.
If we make it through the holidays, help may be on the way.
(that’s a big if).
November 23rd, 2006 at 5:30 amI have to believe that Cheney subscribes to something like the Machivilian Quarterly. Therefore, Kings Cheney and Abdullah are meeting to discuss how to put the screws to the new Democrat controlled Congress; translation: price of oil. Democrats must be made to look like the cause of spiraling prices at the pump and Repugs must be seen as the cause for lower prices in the 2008 election cycle.
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:10 amLet Darth stay there!! The american people certainly don’t want him here any more, that’s certain.
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:42 amCheney wants to consult with his friends the Saudis on what are the next steps needed to be taken. Saudis are unhappy now about the birth of a Shiate powered Iraq next door to them. Iraq with the help of Bush will be the first Arab state dominated by the Shiate next to Iran the biggest power of all Shiate in the Moslem world. Saudi Arabia has a Shiate minority in the eastern part of their country[that is where all of their oil fields are]..they are worried about the spread of the Shiate power to their country. Bahrain is another country which is important and crucial to US military structure in the area is also 50/50 Shiate and Sunni..run by a Sunni monarch. Jordan is nervous too about stability in the area..Cheney probably wanted to test the waters and see if the Saudi will welcome an attack on Iran. With the news that England military forces are leaving southern Iraq by next year,Cheney might not get the answers he is looking for..the area now is a big recipe of headache to all concerned and no country there wants to see another war. Saddam as bad as he was, he was the clock pendulum that stopped the spread of the Shiate power to the area,and he was a balancing factor to such power dominance by the Iranians and also kept Iraq inside from fragmenting. Such balance was broken by Bush…which caused the whole area to see for the first time a rise of the Shiate power in alliance with Iran, something the Reagan administration worked very hard not to make it happen, by assisting Saddam in his war with Iran,but now troubles are multiplying with the fall of the Saddam and his Ba’athists’ party in Iraq but with solutions hard to find ,since this war began in Iraq more than 31/2 years ago. Just like president Husni Mubarak of Egypt said before the war started in 2003…toppling Saddam by the US is achievable,but “what follows will be the hardest part”…and now “what followed” is now our biggest problem.
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:41 amIf the messenger is Cheney, our finest warmonger, torturer the message will be short and simple. “Keep you head low and shut your eyes when “our” Israeli F-16 fly over. I promise you it will be over real fast and you will have your kingdom intact.”
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:00 amTime for his annual performance review.
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:42 ama most enlightening and civil conversation in this thread last night…
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 amjust wanted to put that out there… thanks…
Next question, why is Deadeye going to Saudi Arabia and Iraq? Not just for the turkey photo-ops…
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:55 am…Cheney would meet with Abdullah on Saturday [...] then return to Washington with no other stops planned.â€
has his surprise stop in iraq been “confirmed” yet? … i heard about it on the today show earlier this morning…
of course, everything they say is opposite so it doesn’t matter if it’s “confirmed”… there will be “other stops”…
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 amHe just can’t stay away from those little Arab boys. Impeach the PedoCons NOW
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 pmHe will return to Washington non-stop. On the outbound flight, he will stop many times.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 pmIt’s the refugees stupid! To turn a phrase here might serve us all to keep our eyes on the wave that’s now cresting across the Fertile Crescent.
The migration, and potential migration, of untold hundreds of thousands (perhaps in the millions) of Iraqi refugees to Jordan and Syria (and Iran to a lesser extent) is the unspoken fulcrum for U.S. leverage to facilitate our rapid exit from Iraq.
Before I go on…I know some of you are wondering what about Saudi Arabia?…well that paleo-Sultanate will stay locked up tighter than a drum to in-migration (unless you count the sex-slave trade they are so adept at hiding), thus they will not be a player in the scenario I outline below.
Throughout history it is the transnational movement of sizeable refugee populations (those exodus that threaten a country’s national security and welfare) that provide the impetus for sovereign states to take regional risks. No rational player associated with the Fertile Crescent can ignore the likely refugee consequences of a U.S. withdrawal sans regional commitments to a stable Iraq.
Currently, it is money (usually dollars) that buys an Iraqi family passage into one of these neighboring countries. That will change very soon (if it has not already) as the human wave of Sunnis head West and the Shiites move East (or South), both running from each other and the militias fighting for control of center.
(Side Bar: Do not delude yourself that the militias are going to make a petrol-grab for the pipelines. They are well patrolled and too vital as spoils to the victor. Save that inferno for later.)
However, the second wave of refugees will not be the well-heeled, upper-crust, of Iraqi society. They will be the desperate and hungry, seeking to cross borders with all the motivation that fear, famine, and despair can muster. This movement will be huge. And, (take note here) it will be escorted by U.S. troops ordered to prevent genocide and mass starvations. Can you see it yet? The U.N. setting up colossal tent cities on the borders just inside Jordan and Syria? It does not take much imagination to picture such a ghastly scenario.
This pile of humanity is the fulcrum upon which our callous U.S. decision makers are now leveraging regional powers (and the U.N.). Watch the picture unfold in the next month. Our country is about to play a heartless (soulless) game of chicken within the region.
Just in case you are wondering why Dick Cheney is going to Saudi Arabia…it was to deliver a promise to the Sultans of Slavery that they would not be subjected to the flood. Redeployment, in this case, means: “Sure your Highness, we’ll guard your border.â€
November 23rd, 2006 at 4:05 pmTwo fat corrupt bastards in a boat.
This couldn’t say more about the intentions and policies of this evil menace of a man.
They hate humanity and they hate freedom, and we hate them back with equal measure.
Cheney better come on with some pretty hefty weapons if he thinks us Westerners are going to accept living in camel dung, praying 6 times a day and being buggered by rich Saudis for breakfast.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:47 amTureen: from one of your comments. Saudis are NOT Arabs. They are just jumped up Bedouin camel drivers who were living in poorly made mud huts until 70 years ago.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:44 amAll of the true Arabic world regard Saudis as “weird” – politically, socially and religiously “weird”.