Lieberman Says Phased Withdrawal Would Be ‘Road To Disaster,’ Iraqis Disagree
Lieberman Says Phased Withdrawal Would Be ‘Road To Disaster,’ Iraqis Disagree
Last night on Hannity and Colmes, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) said a phased withdrawal of American troops from Iraq beginning in the next four to six months would be “a road to disaster” and “basically the beginning of giving up on Iraq.” Watch it:
Lieberman argued, “As bad as things are in Iraq today, they would be dramatically worse if we just pick up and leave.” Lieberman made two points to support this claim: 1) the violence in Iraq would get much worse if we withdrew, and 2) the Iraqi government would fall apart. The Iraqi people strongly disagree on both counts.
Iraqis Believe A Timetable Would Decrease Violence. 58 percent of Iraqis believe that if U.S.-led forces withdrew in the next six months violence in Iraq would decrease. Also, 61 percent of Iraqis say their day-to-day security would increase.
Iraqis Believe A Timetable Would Strengthen Iraqi Government. 53 percent of Iraqis said a timetable for withdrawal would strengthen the Iraqi government; only 23 percent said it would weaken it, as Lieberman claims.
Full transcript:
HANNITY: And do you worry that your party may be wrong if they want to — if Barack Obama and Senator Levin want to cut and run? Are you going to stand in strong opposition to them?
LIEBERMAN: You bet I am. I mean, they’re now proposing that we begin a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq within the next four to six months. I think that would — that’s a road to disaster. That’s basically the beginning of giving up on Iraq. And as bad as things are in Iraq today, they would be dramatically worse if we just pick up and leave.
You know, Sean, last week, when General Abizaid was before the Senate Armed Services Committee, on which I’m privileged to serve, I asked him, What would be the effect on the sectarian violence if we began a withdrawal in four to six months, regardless of what’s happening on the ground? And he said it would become much worse.
And then Ambassador Satterfield from the State Department was there. And I said, I know some of the people that want us to begin a withdrawal in a time certain think that’s the only way we can get the Iraqi government to do what they want to do, to take control of their destiny. I asked Satterfield, What’s your reaction to that?
He said, if we began to arbitrarily withdraw in the next four to six months, it will have exactly the opposite effect on the Iraqi government. They’ll begin to hedge their bets, because they’ll see us heading for the door, and they’ll see that what’s going to follow is out-and-out civil war, maybe even regional war.
We cannot let that happen. Iraq is now a central battlefield in the war on terrorism, and we’ve got to have a success strategy there.
HANNITY: I couldn’t agree with you more.
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So Joe thinks Phased withdrawl is the same as Stay The Course?
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:51 amThe Dems really need to pick up seats in the senate in 2008 so they can stop sucking up to Lieberman.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:52 amThe people of Connecticut owe the American People an apology for reelecting this bozo. He is a walking, talking illustration of not only the corruption of power, but the insane blindness to facts that got us into this debacle to begin with. Do you people in Connecticut just have no shame for doing this to the rest of us?
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:55 amCaption Contest is a MUST on this one….
“If I keep my eyes closed like this, maybe the skin won’t slide off my face”
I’m really gettin sick of their made up catch phrases. Perhaps I’m wrong, but I don’t recall any Dem ever coining “cut and run”.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:56 amLieberman, Iraq already is a disaster. Just admit it, the only reason you want us to stay there indefinately is because of Israeli security issues. It is painfully obvious that you care more about the security of Israel, our supposed ally that spies on us, than you care about the U.S. So, take your traitorous ASS to Israel and be a politician there, not here. You are a disgrace.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:56 amLieberman vs Iraqis
Baghdad Shias Believe Killings May Increase Once U.S.-led Forces Depart but Large Majorities Still Support Withdrawal Within a Year
Shias in the Capital—Unlike Those in the Rest of Iraq—Oppose Disarming Militias
Most Shia Arabs living in Baghdad have shifted in recent months from preferring the open-ended deployment of foreign troops in Iraq to wanting a one-year timetable for withdrawal. Nonetheless, a growing majority of Shias in the conflict-ridden capital say that if U.S.-led forces leave within six months there could be an upsurge in inter-ethnic violence.
[snip]
This brings Baghdad Shias in line with the rest of the country. Seven out of ten Iraqis overall—including both the Shia majority (74%) and the Sunni minority (91%)—say they want the United States to leave within a year.
[snip]
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:57 amIf withdrawing troops would be a disaster, what, exactly what is the situation there now?
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:00 amWhy should CT feel shame? Your a liberal elitist (progressive) shouldn’t you apologize for hating America?
BTW: Quoting statistics from garbage websites means nothing.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:00 amBTW: Quoting statistics from garbage websites means nothing.
Comment by Happy Guy
Troll
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:05 amHey, it is “Attack the Defector Day” here at TP. Funny how “loved” he was two years ago.
Face it, he won. Legal & Legitimate. Votes from BOTH sides. Now THAT is progress.
Deal with it.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:06 amIran and Syria (Iran mostly) have been fueling the insurgency in Iraq. The most important question is: will Iran and Syria be more likely to back off if we withdraw or will they step their effort in an attempt to derail to new democratic government of Iraq?
If it’s the latter and the government falls then we’re back where we started — except that Iran is that much closer to dominance. This then leads to them annihilating Isreal (their stated goal). At that point we have a very ugly choice (compared to this one) to make: go all out to support Israel or abandon them and wait for Iran to develop nukes and use them against us.
The chioce of what we do now is not as simple as folks here are making it out to be.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:06 amStatistics:
100% of Islamic Fascists want American out of Iraq
100% of Islamic Fascists want Americans dead
100% of Islamic Fascists want Jews Dead
100% Taliban want America out of Afghanistan
100% Left-Wing-Nuts want Bush out of office
But then who cares what they want.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:06 amI consider Bush and Chaney and I have a pretty good idea why they went to war and want to keep US forces there.
I consider Lieberman and I can’t understand why he holds position he does. Why does Senator Lieberman think or feel staying in Iraq is the proper course of action? His reasons for staying in Iraq are unclear to me.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:08 am38% of kool aid drinkers still support der Shrub.
That’s what I call a MINORITY.
And like the Repukes were so fond of practicing, we’re just ignore that little whiny MINORITY, and steer this country back to a place of respect in the World.
Now, run along, little baby, tiny MINORITY, and don’t spill the kool aid…
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:11 amIran and Syria (Iran mostly) have been fueling the insurgency in Iraq.
— Cynicon Implant
Any facts other than what you saw on RedState to back that assertion?
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:11 amLieberman has become a sick old man who kisses up to Bush Regime on a daily basis! Shame on CT voters for putting that freak back into Senate!
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:12 am#13 - Happy Guy
Do you have link for those ridiculous stats?
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:12 amYou do have a link to your ass, don’t you?
Hey, it is “Attack the Defector Day†here at TP. Funny how “loved†he was two years ago. — robert
Loved? 2 years ago he was still Bush’s personal ball washer.
You mean 4 years ago when he was Gore’s vp pick?
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:16 amI didn’t like him then either, but he’s not Sen for my state and CT gets the representation they vote for =P
Iran and Syria (Iran mostly) have been fueling the insurgency in Iraq.
Have they? You are going to have to support this point.
This then leads to them annihilating Isreal
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:17 amIsreal is said to have 300 nuclear warheads. If anyone tried to or did annihilate Isreal, Isreal would annihilate its perceived attackers. Unless the attacker doesn’t care about surviving personally and nationally they would be less likely to attack another nuclear power with nuclear weapons…. all things being equal.
Iran and Syria (Iran mostly) have been fueling the insurgency in Iraq.
— Cynicon Implant
Any facts other than what you saw on RedState to back that assertion?
Comment by Wayne
Check this out Wayne:
http://fletcher.tufts.edu/ al_nakhlah/ archives/ spring2006/ gresh.pdf
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:20 amGlad to see an “I” after DilJoe’s name since he’s not a Democrat.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:21 amOk, maybe the entire country would have a different view of Iraq if we were told the truth about the mistakes made and the ones responsible would own up. We can all see the Hell that has been created and nobody wants to see Iraq crumble. But having the same bullheaded power mongers who got us there to now tell us how to continue without owninig up to the enormous amount of failures regarding Iraq doesn’t make me want to follow them to a food stand much less follow them thru a conflict.
Own up and, when applicable, pack up so we can have an open look. Guys like Happy on Crack Guy just can’t fathom that Dick n Bush f*cked this all up. All puns intended.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:22 amLOOK, LEARN, LISTEN
F-O-X D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C
That’s what they look like!
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:24 amYeah Joe - BushCo’s Iraq Adventure is seemingly a disaster to some of us - and especially to 3,000 soldiers’ families. But for some - the neverending quagmire is maintaining a formidable U.S. presence in the middle east - to protect Israel.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:25 amWhy give dirtbags like Happy Boy and others of his ilk any attention at all? They come here to get our goats. Ignore the little pukes and they wont get the attention they cant get other places.
Regarding LIEberman. I wish that he would come out of the closet and admit that he’s a Repugnican so we can get this charade over. He’s no more a Democrat any longer than is Jerry Falwell (and both are as terminally ugly). LIEberman is a disgrace and whomever suggested that he move to Israel (above) is right on.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:29 amAren’t you people tired of being proven wrong?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Must be some kind of sick perversion, like S&M, they’re dominant one minute, then getting a spanking the next.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:31 amSen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) said a phased withdrawal of American troops from Iraq beginning in the next four to six months would be “a road to disaster†and “basically the beginning of giving up on Iraq.â€
Pssst, Joe, is iraqi´s country.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 amIt would appear to me that the insurgency is self sustaining without need for external support. The polls of Iraqi’s would seem to indicate this position.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 am#28 - Spudge,
Most of what I wrote is my opinion of what will happen if we pull out of Iraq. You can’t prove an opinion to be wrong — it just an opinion.
The one fact I provided is that Iran has been fueling and I provided to Wayne support for this (see #21)
If you spent less time worrying about “proving” yourself to be smarter than us lowly trolls, you might learn something.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 amHANNITY: I couldn’t agree with you more.
Thats a professional interviewer.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 amWhy give dirtbags like Happy Boy and others of his ilk any attention at all? They come here to get our goats. Ignore the little pukes and they wont get the attention they cant get other places.
Because we provide them with the attention they so desperatley crave, in the real world.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:36 amthink of it as a public service we’re providing, to bring a little joy in their pathetic little lives
You’re very welcome, Happy Dude
You do have a link to your ass, don’t you?
Comment by Zooey
I guessed we were friends, Zoo! :)
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:38 amIF the Iraqis want us out of their country, feeling that they can deal with sectarian violence and governmental issues better, then I would support leaving. But the reliance on too many “small sliver” polls is a concern for me. I can’t help but remember our President would be named Kerry-Heinz if the election were determined by inaccurate and selective exit polls. I will anxiously wait (tee-hee!) for paranoid Progs and Progettes to apologize for their inaccurate (so what else is new?) description of US “imperialism”. Idiots…..
I am also convinced that Iraqi security would be better served not having the crooked Alcee Hastings at the helm of the House Intel Committee. I wouldn’t trust that man with the combination to Mini Aphrodite’s bicycle lock……
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:40 amJoe on the Senate floor in June 2006:
“Mr. President, I personally hope, as I am sure all members of the Senate do, and I believe, that we will be able to withdraw a significant number of our men and women in uniform from Iraq by the end of this year and even more by next year.”
That doesn’t square with Joe telling his buddy Hannity that withdrawing troops in 4 to 6 months is a road to disaster. That’s Joe for you. And don’t blame me for Joe - I voted for Lamont in both elections.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:43 amdescription of US “imperialismâ€
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Ok.
Try proving one of that list didnt happen.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 am[…] To be honest with you I’m sick of listening to people thousands of miles away pontificate on what to do in their country. It’s not America. We don’t get the final say so. It’s their home. They get to decide. Shut up and listen. […]
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:44 am#33 Implant,
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:47 amThanks for the highly Jewish biased link on Iran’s supposed involvement in Iraq. Yes, the author and founder of that “Internet Media” site is a Jew, and most likely is “lobbying” for his cause, or fear of Iran.
I mean, come one Isreal, get “pre-emptive” on Tehran’s ass! In the “New World” we live in, we get to attack anyone who “thinks” about hating us! Cool man, go for it Jews!
Off topic, but I like bashing MA.
“The hidden hand of the market will never work without a hidden fist — McDonald’s cannot flourish without McDonnell-Douglas, the designer of the F-15. And the hidden fist that keeps the world safe for Silicon Valley’s technologies is called the US Army, Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps.”
– Thomas Friedman, “A Manifesto for the Fast World”, New York Times Magazine, March 28, 1999
I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
– Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933 by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC
“We have 50 percent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3 percent of its population. . . In this situation we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will allow us to maintain this position of disparity. We should cease to talk about the raising of the living standards, human rights, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.”
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:48 am– George Kennan, Director of Policy Planning of the U.S. Dept. of State, 1948
Ignore these trolls. They bring absolutely nothing to the debate. Joe is a whore in every sense of the word. He cares only about Joe and Israel.
His wife is making over $750,000 as a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical industry and they are living the good life.
I think the voters of Connecticut are going to be really disappointed by Joe in the upcoming congress. He lost the primary in August because of his arrogance and because he lost touch with the people of Connecticut.
I live right over the line from Connecticut and I’ve followed his career. He is a fraud.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:49 amI guessed we were friends, Zoo! :)
Comment by Juan C
Always. Have a great day, Juan! :)
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:49 amDear Peron Apologista - “Prof” Grossman enjoys relying on nuanced definitions to corroborate his “theories”. The US is NOT interested in acquiring any more territory than we are currently blessed with. Helping to defend ourselves and allies is NOT a definition of imperialism….But you couldn’t be expected to know THAT…..
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:51 amHey, #33 Cynicon Implant. I liked the last part.
The views and opinions expressed in articles are strictly the author’s own, and do not necessarily represent those of Al Nakhlah, its Advisory and Editorial Boards, or the Program for Southwest Asia and Islamic Civilization (SWAIC) at The Fletcher School.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:51 amStrange. Today my posts either go through instantly or disappear.
Who care if this comes up three times. It is true! Statistics you don’t want to hear about.
100% Islamic Fascist want America out of Iraq
100% Islamic Fascist want all Americans dead
100% Islamic Fascist want all Jews dead
100% Taliban want America out of Afghanistan
100% Left-Wing-Conspiracy-Nuts want Bush out of office.
But then who cares what these people think.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:52 am#21
Already have read that. That article is full of suppositions but lax on any real facts to back the assertions of the author.
Yes, some Iranians have crossed the border as well as jordanians and people from other countries. This was documented from the start of the war.
There is no proof of Iranian sponsored squads, if there was we would be invading Iran now.
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:55 amLieberman looks very pale, and sickly in that pic, so perhaps all his lies are coming back to haunt him and affecting his health as well! Move to Israel Joe and never come back to the US!
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:56 amHappy Guy, why do you always seem so unhappy?
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:56 amProgs and Progettes - Please explain Speakette Pelosi’s “decision” to back crooked Alcee Hastings…..What happened to her platform of honest politics and an end to the “Culture of Corruption”? (Did she, like many Progs, think she had to see corruption first-hand to really “understand” it?? Do you think ol’ Alcee said, “Listen, Nan, either I get the chairManship or I’ll blab to the media about your non-union “exploited” farm workers pumping out all that vino….” Hmmmmm………..
November 22nd, 2006 at 11:58 amUK may hand over Basra control by spring
British forces could hand responsibility for security in Basra over to Iraqi forces by the spring, the foreign secretary, Margaret Beckett, said today.
“The progress of our current operation in Basra gives us confidence that we may be able to achieve transition in that province … at some point next spring,” she told parliament during a foreign affairs debate on the Queen’s speech.
Mrs Beckett’s announcement - the first firm indication of a timetable for a significant troop withdrawal, albeit hedged with conditions - came as the monthly death toll of Iraqi civilians reached a new high of 3,709 in October.
She denied Britain was abandoning the Iraqi government as it sought to control increasing sectarian violence.
“There is no question of us cutting and running from Iraq - to do so would be an act of gross irresponsibility, abandoning the Iraqi people to bloodshed perhaps even worse than we see today,” she said.
Mrs Beckett’s comments come as the US conducts its own debate on future strategy on Iraq.
The bipartisan Iraq Study Group, led by Bush family confidante James Baker, is expected to reports its findings next month, with the resurgent Democratic party in Congress pushing for a phased withdrawal.
However, leaks from a secret Pentagon review indicate that the favoured option is a troop increase of 20,000 to 30,000 on the current level of 140,000 for “one last big push”.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:00 pmRemember the ridiculous movie with Nick Cage and J. Travolta called FACE/OFF? Any suggestions as with whom Joe has traded faces?
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:05 pmLieberman is the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing. Dem’s should watchout for him. He says he will vote with Dems, but I think he is the Karl Rove secret weapon, that will turn the Senate GOP.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:05 pm#12, Cynicon Implant: Iran is that much closer to dominance.
Much closer?
This is palpably ignorant, laughably absurd.
There’s not one professional ME expert that would argue that Iran is not the chief beneficiary of the deposing of Saddam Hussein
The Iranian nightmare
By Michael Schwartz
[snip]
Now, over two years after Baghdad fell and the American occupation of Iraq began, Kagan’s prediction appears to have been fulfilled - in reverse. The chief beneficiary of the occupation and the chaos it produced has not been the Bush administration, but Iran, the most populous and powerful member of the “axis of evil” and the chief American competitor for dominance in the oil-rich region. As diplomatic historian Gabriel Kolko commented, “By destroying a united Iraq under [Saddam] Hussein … the US removed the main barrier to Iran’s eventual triumph.”
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 pm#41 — nice anti-semitic rant.
Do you have your Hitler doll next to your computer?
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:07 pmEvery Dem in CT who voted for this prick should be forced to watch this repeatedly. The lying wanker
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:12 pmThere’s something fundamentally disconnected here.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:12 pmWe claim we want to instill democracy and democratic principles in Iraq.
Why then, are we not listening to the voice of the Iraqi people who want us the hell out of there?
Are they children, who should be seen but not heard?
What a farce Joe Lieberschlitz is.
Cynic,
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:12 pmMy grandparents were Jewish, before they passed away.
Your Chimp for a President has MUCH more in common with Hitler than ANYTHING I’ve ever posted.
Frag on.
#51, mighty aphrodite: Speakette Pelosi’s
Oceans of blood and treasure have been spilled in Iraq and all you can do is deviate from the thread by bringing up Pelosi?
In direct response to the horrific attacks of 9/11, the Bush admin with your support mighty aphrodite inadvertently fathered a burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic, which will fly the flag of Syria and Iran, which is pro-Hezbollah and pro-extremist Iranian mullah, which has ruined tens of thousands of lives and limbs, which has cost $400 billion and all you can do is deviate from the thread by bringing up Pelosi?
You deserve to be renditioned to Iraq where you can live out the rest of your life with the Iraqis whom you have never given a shit about prior to your brain washing by W.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:13 pmGee Happy Guy, your arguments are so potent and persuasive (not). And you wonder why you idiots lost; cause finally the world sees what senseless, sloganizing, oxygen-thieving, uncomprehending dumb pieces of meat you truly are.
You have lost, get over it The people have spoken, you are the weakest link. Bye bye.
ps. I assume you’re a coward as well or else you would be too busy fighting the war you’ve got such a hardon for in Iraq instead of posting on here. Or is brain-farting in this forum the limit of your patriotic effort?
(okay, I know I’m feeding the troll, but I’ve had a long day and I find abusing trolls therapeutic. So what the hell.)
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 pmHoly Joe is a despicable little weasel. He held on to his seat thanks to Republican support and money.
The Democrats should have stripped him of his seniority. As it is, they set themselves up to be blackmailed by that miserable creature for the next two years. Every time he won’t agree with the Democratic leadership, he will threaten to bolt and caucus with the Repukes.
Lieberman does not know his ass from his elbow about Iraq. Like the President whose ass he has been kissing for the past six years, he won’t listen to either the will of Americans or the will of the Iraqi.
I hope he gets booted out in 2008. He is an arrogant megalomaniac who is concerned purely with clinging to power by any possible means.
By the way, is there any news about the $380,000 “petty cash” that the Lieberman campaign refuses to account for? Could it have been “walking-around money”? Bought yourself a few votes, Holy Joe?
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 pm#61 - firebucket
GENIUS, and ROFL therapy for me!
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmI didn’t like him then either, but he’s not Sen for my state and CT gets the representation they vote for =P
Comment by Wayne
Unfortunately we also get the the representation they vote for.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmTobey - last time I heard the words “last big push” in a military context was a documentary on the Battle of the Somme…
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 pm#37, mighty aphrodite: IF the Iraqis want us out of their country, feeling that they can deal with sectarian violence and governmental issues better, then I would support leaving
The US, my ignorant lil friend, is going to be expulsed from Iraq.
It is just a matter of time.
Especially since the Iraqis and the Syrians have re-established diplomatic contact.
Bush is truly reforming the ME.
It is a crime, however, that Bush is reshaping the ME in a way that is 100% not in the interest of the USA and the rest of the moderate and modern world.
It is even a greater crime, though, that Bush is inadvertently empowering Islamic fundamentalists while using the dead of 9/11 as the foundation.
9/11 + Iraq = Islamic Fundamentalist Middle East
WTF?
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:20 pm#53 - Satan?
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:20 pmClassic troll posting:
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:27 pm1. Set up strawman
2. Throw in an ad hominem attack on another poster
3. Tell a lie or two - maybe about what another poster said
4. Demolish strawman
5. Celebrate victory over other posters for strawman
6. Leave an unexploded non-sequitor behind
7. Return to listening to Rush and waiting for new talking points by the fax machine.
Flighty Far Righty, get off your soap box. The american public have been demanding explainations from this administration for everything from Brownie to Baghdad without so much as a peep. So wait in line for explainations and drop your self righteous indignation.
Own up to the failures we face now from Dick n’ Bush, admit how off course we are and then maybe we can discuss people who aren’t even in there chairs yet.
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:27 pmWillie Lieberman should stick to give his opinions to ALF the allien, that way we wouldn’t have to listen to this whiny piece of crap!
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:32 pmoxygen-thieving. Good one
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:34 pmJews aoccupied Palestine , Iraq and Amereica . but iraqis and palestinians are fighting them bare hand . americans surrendered them forever .
http://www.jewwatch.com/ jew-occupiedgovernments-usa.html
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:41 pm#666 - “9/11 + Iraq = Islamic Fundamentalist Middle East WTF?”
Comment by goodscarrier
********Dear GC - Such a way with words!!!! I hate to be the first to let you in on this little secret, BUT an Islamic Fundamentalist Terror network had been WORMING its way into the Middle East, Chechniya, Indonesia, the Philapines, for a tad longer than 9/11 or our the US responses in Afghanistan or Iraq. Perhaps you should stop trying to respond to topics given your limited knowledge of history and current events.
IF the prevailing wisdom of the Iraqi people is that we pull out of Iraq, I would support getting our soldiers and Marines out. We may have to set up a protected aone for the kurds as they have taken the brunt of revenge from Sunnis under Sadam and I wouldn’t trust the Turks farther than I could throw Alcee Hastings…..
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:42 pm#69 - “…..american public have been demanding explainations from this administration for everything from Brownie to Baghdad without so much as a peep. So wait in line for explainations and drop your self righteous indignation…..” Comment by hellinabucket
*******Dear ms. bucket - I agree that there should be explanations about Michael Browne, Baghdad, Ray Nagin, Louisiana p[olitics, etc. I also think Progs should PAT themselves on the back for their open-mindedness. Its not EVERYday that an impeached federal judge is allowed to run for Congress, get elected , AND sit on the intelligence committee….What a FINE script Dems and Progs are coming up with to defend America…..Congrats!!
November 22nd, 2006 at 12:49 pmDearest flighty far righty, you only admitted to half of the statement. We are under an avalanche of corruption committed by the Republicans so you will have to stand in line.
You are also correct that it is a fine script being brought up by the Dems that will have actual oversight. Something that hasn’t happend in the last 6 years. Too bad the oversight will desimate the party you cling to. It’s the Republicans that wandered from their original “Contract with America” and their back room dealings are now going to ripped open for all to see.
Now what are you going to jump to next instead of taking the defeat like a respectable person should.
Oh yeah, Toooooodles.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:07 pmForgot one: classic troll post #8 “I know I am but what are you?”
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:13 pm#73, mighty aphrodite: I hate to be the first to let you in on this little secret, BUT an Islamic Fundamentalist Terror network had been WORMING its way into the Middle East, Chechniya, Indonesia, the Philapines, for a tad longer than 9/11 or our the US responses in Afghanistan or Iraq.
Wrong!!
HINT: During the twenty plus years prior to the deposing of Saddam Hussein, the Al Dawa party and the Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution of Iraq were leashed, murdered, and forced into exile in Iran and Syria by Saddam Hussein.
By deposing Saddam Hussein, Pres Bush with your support mighty aphrodite forced the reins of power into the hands of the Al Dawa party, Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution of Iraq, and Muqtada Al Sadr.
Al Dawa party, Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution of Iraq, and Muqtada Al Sadr are Islamic Fundamentalists.
A fundamentalist Islamic republic is what Americans deserve in response to the horrific attacks of 9/11?
You deserve to be renditioned to Iraq where you can live out the rest of your life with th eiraqis whom you never even knew existed prior to pour brainwashing by W.
9/11 + Iraq = Bush’s Islamic Fundamentalist Middle East?
WTF
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:25 pmI think a lot of people are missing the point. Getting out might be out of Bush’s AND the democrats hands. Iraq is already shopping around for a better offer. Why do you think they’ve had a summit with Iran and Syria. Either Iraq thinks they can do better than the US or they’re trying to keep their options open. If USGov can’t get it’s act together, we’re going to have to choose between leaving because they told us to or invading again, this time against the government we just got finished convincing the world was the only legitemate one. Bush will probably get brain-lock from making that decision.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmDude, I have personally been proving your opinion wrong for years now. Time for you to formulate some new opinions, because the ones you have are always incorrect. It must suck to be you.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmAnother thing people tend to forget is that this is not a religious thing. It’s political and cultural. These terrorists are no more Islamic Fundamentalists than Hitlers Nazi’s were Catholics, or Bush is Christian. They tell people what they want to hear to get what they want. It is the oldest and most effective propaganda in the history of mankind. The terrorists have one very valuable advantage; the US plays right into their hands. Saddam Hussein was the most effective impediment to terrorism in the Middle East, no matter what he was doing to his own people. He was an evil ruler who needed to be deposed, but invading Iraq as an anti-terrorist move made as much sense as stopping the drug trade by abolishing the DEA. The simple fact is that WE let the terrorists into Iraq, and now we can’t get them out. The people the government used our tax money to learn how to figure these things out knew about it before hand and predicted pretty much everything that has happened since. This is the biggest blunder in the history of our country, militarily and politically and morally, and the only thing we seem interested in right now is finger pointing and SPECULATION on how the wars going.
It’s like two people in a hurricane arguing about whether its going to rain. The message to both liberals and conservatives, republican and democrat. We’ve lost. The War is over. We had our asses handed to us on a shiny new silver platter. There are two things and two things only that should concern us: How can we minimize american losses and do the Iraqi’s want us to stay.
Well the Iraqis don’t want us, so why should we stay and get more Americans killed?
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:49 pmThis man Joe is really Israel’s foreign policy minister.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:18 pmLook out for Joe, he’s as dangerous as the dictator when it comes to our foreign policy. And he may be the “decider” on Iraq.
The Democrats really made a huge mistake not backing Ned Lamont to the hilt. But Bubba, Carville, Emannuel, and Hillary (DLC) are the reason for the lack of support for Ned and thay must be happy, as they just love Joe.
There is NO difference between Democrats or Republicans - The Dems ran on a platform of getting out of Iraq - and now that they have won they are calling for more troops. (ha ha aha ha)
These same defense company’s contribute money to the Democrats just like they do the Republicans.
No longer do politicians go to Washington and try to help their voters that elected them … instead they gather in small private groups and try to help themselves - this is one of the top 5 most corrupt governments on the face of the planet.
Nothing the average U.S. citizen wants is getting done … and they could care less about it! … there answer to us is: what are you gonna do about it?
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:23 pmIn response to some of the comments above. If you look at the exist polling from CT, over 65% of the people that voted for Lieberman were right wingers not Dems. This guy has truely switched sides, he is simply hanging onto the “D” tag to keep his senority on committee appointments.
My personal feeling…..he is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Not a big fan. He is following the golden rule. Those with the gold do the ruling.
On a different but somewhat related note. Has anyone else ever seen the clip (it was shown on the Daily Show a while back) of G-DUB kissing him on the mouth on the floor of the senate. Tells you alot about their relationship.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:28 pmThe fundimental difference between the two parties are that the Democrats are as crooked as a laser beam while the Republicans are as straight as a corkscrew.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:33 pmAnd by the by, Joe Lieberman is a closet Republican.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:35 pmThe fundimental difference between the two parties are that the Democrats are as crooked as a laser beam while the Republicans are as straight as a corkscrew.
Comment by WaltTheMan — November 22, 2006 @ 2:33 pm
Well that’ll just be your little secret then. The elephant is the only animal that can’t jump and who in the world would have a jackass as a mascott? Democrats are predominantly lawyers and Republicans are predominantly oil barons. What is it about either group that is worthy of trust?
You just keep your confidence in the democrats purity when it’s their turn for a scandal.
Or you can do yourself and your country a favor and give BOTH parties the boot.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:40 pmWould be nice to boot the bunch. Just how do you go on about that?
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:47 pmHow much longer before this jerk jumps to the GOP.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:02 pmSwan - I replied to you on the Chris Shays thread. #50 - sorry.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:41 pm#89 - “How much longer before this jerk jumps to the GOP.”
Comment by RealScientist
********Dear RS - Frankly, I am wondering when more Jewish Dem voters are going to turn their backs on the philosophy which is becoming increasingly anti-Semitic and openly anti-Israel.
I am beginning to understand your angst. Like most Dems, you can only stick with ONE issue at a time. Pro-choice, pro-social hammock, pro-union - Joltin’ Joe is a Dem in ALL things EXCEPT for the fact that he is willing to defend the US and her allies. And for THAT single issue - big tent Republicans admire Joe Lieberman.
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:23 pmProbably about the same time that Christians come to realize that the republican party goes against everything that Jesus preached.
No he isn’t and no he doesn’t.
The US policy of “F*ck the Middle East” is a failed policy.
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:32 pm#87 - Swordsbane,
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:53 pmAccording to my observations, Republicans are about 3% billionaires, 8% millionaires and 89% red necks (who can’t decide on which side to butter their toast without a cookbook). Democrats are the foundation of American invention, industry and independence.
#87 - Swordsbane,
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:01 pmOh, I forgot - elephants can jump - off a cliff (Remember 11/07/2006?).
#87 - Swordsbane,
According to my observations, Republicans are about 3% billionaires, 8% millionaires and 89% red necks (who can’t decide on which side to butter their toast without a cookbook). Democrats are the foundation of American invention, industry and independence.
Comment by WaltTheMan — November 22, 2006 @ 4:53 pm
I was speaking of the politicans themselves. People who AREN’T in politics are the foundation of American invention, industry and independence. Membership in a party doesn’t give you a damned thing… anyway, you have your statistics wrong. Republicans aren’t 89% redneck, but 89% of the rednecks are Republicans. I’ll go with that.
But look who we have in the offices: Lawyers, political science professors and former (and current) oil executives. That pretty much covers 80-90% of the seats in government republicans and democrats. Trust THEM to fix the country? You’ve smoking something.
#88 theswan: How do I get them out? Pretty much by doing what I do, show up at places like this and telling you folks to knock it off.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:04 pmDear RS - Frankly, I am wondering when more Jewish Dem voters are going to turn their backs on the philosophy which is becoming increasingly anti-Semitic and openly anti-Israel.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 22, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
Your claim here about anti-Semitism is nothing but slander. You are a hateful, pathetic loser.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:18 pmPoster boys for progs agree with Joe. From the NYT article “Get Out of Iraq Now? Not So Fast, Experts Say “, By Michael Gordon, Nov 15, 2006:
Anthony C. Zinni, the former head of the United States Central Command and one of the retired generals who called for the resignation of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, argued that any substantial reduction of American forces over the next several months would be more likely to accelerate the slide to civil war than stop it.
“The logic of this is you put pressure on Maliki and force him to stand up to this,†General Zinni said in an interview, referring to Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, the Iraqi prime minister. “Well, you can’t put pressure on a wounded guy. There is a premise that the Iraqis are not doing enough now, that there is a capability that they have not employed or used. I am not so sure they are capable of stopping sectarian violence.â€
John Batiste, a retired Army major general who also joined in the call for Mr. Rumsfeld’s resignation, described the Congressional proposals for troop withdrawals as “terribly naïve.â€
Kenneth M. Pollack, an expert at the Brookings Institution who served on the staff of the National Security Council during the Clinton administration, also argued that a push for troop reductions would backfire by contributing to the disorder in Iraq.
“If we start pulling out troops and the violence gets worse and the control of the militias increases and people become confirmed in their suspicion that the United States is not going to be there to prevent civil war, they are to going to start making decisions today to prepare for the eventuality of civil war tomorrow,†he said. “That is how civil wars start.â€
Okay TP progs, we’re waiting for your criticism of your experts that you have held in such high regard recently.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:37 pm#95 - Swordsbane,
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:37 pmSo the remainder of the repugs (excluding the Red Necks) are merely uninformed. The balance of lawyers on both sides of the aisle in both the House and Senate are pretty well balanced with a slight minority on the Democratic side after the last election cycle.
Lieberman is right. Phased withdrawal from Iraq would be a “road to disaster” — for coffin manufacturers.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:52 pmWe don’t hold these people in high regard. Just because somebody calls for Dumsfelds resignation doesn’t mean we support everything they say. Once again, progressives don’t all think the same or buy into everything that anybody says.
If George Bush says the sky is blue, I agree with him. If he says we need to stay in Iraq we don’t.
Get it.
We don’t march in lockstep with anybody at anytime ever.
Oh you wanted criticism.
F*ck Batiste. He is the a$$ who said we could do Iraq with 140,000 troops.
Zinni is the guy who in 2000 did the bidding of PNAC by saying “Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Persian Gulf region.” Yeah, because Iran and North Korea making Nukes isn’t more threatening.
Pollack is part of AIPAC.
Screw all of your examples.
November 22nd, 2006 at 6:01 pmDo you have link for those ridiculous stats?
You do have a link to your ass, don’t you?
Happy Guy uses a colostomy bag, so, no he does not have a link to his ass.
November 22nd, 2006 at 6:14 pmAgain, Joe Lieberman has shown his contempt for democracy. Not only did he oppose the will of Conneticut’s people, but he also is against the aspirations of the Iraqis.
November 22nd, 2006 at 6:43 pm#95 - Swordsbane,
So the remainder of the repugs (excluding the Red Necks) are merely uninformed. The balance of lawyers on both sides of the aisle in both the House and Senate are pretty well balanced with a slight minority on the Democratic side after the last election cycle.
Comment by WaltTheMan — November 22, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
Judging by how many of them pay attention to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, that wouldn’t surprise me. Up until this last election you might have been able to persuade me otherwise, but I haven’t seen so much backpeadaling after an election in my entire life. Democrats are for terrorism… they want our soldiers to be killed, they want the Iraqi’s to die….
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Well we should consider all option, we need to be bi-partisan, a phased pullout is probably something we should look at. What do the Iraqi’s think?
They didn’t even admit they changed their minds. They’re just talking like this is what they’ve been thinking all along. They’re full of crap and either THEY don’t know it, or they think WE don’t know it. Either the Republican party is full of moronic clowns, or they’ve been faking out their constituents for six years. Take your pick. Personally, I credit them with enough intelligence to know what they’re doing. That only leaves one option. Which answer do YOU like best? Either way, it makes the Republican citizens of this country look pretty bad. Either they knew what the Republicans in congress and the Whitehouse were doing all this time and they approve, or they didn’t have a clue and are shocked. They’re either jerks, or idiots. I don’t see any other choices here. Pretty much everything the Democrats accused the Republicans of has turned out to be true.
Woops?
November 22nd, 2006 at 6:44 pmAMERICANS DISAGREE!
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:35 pm#104 - Swordsbane,
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:47 pmAbout 21 years ago, my family vacationed in Sicily off the Strait of Messina. While there, there was a run of anchovies. With simple beach toys, my three boys were able to harvest about three gallons of the swarming beasties. At my suggestion, they released their prey as I had visions of thousands of pizzas at the ready and the local game wardens.
This brings to mind the similarity of anchovies (or lemmings) to Republicans - they all proceed in the same direction dispite of the risk to themselves and their type.
What a douchebag. I am so glad that he’s not a Democrat.
November 22nd, 2006 at 10:30 pm[…] Watch video […]
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 amLadies and Gentlemen, the globalist’s left side representative Senator Lieberman and the globalist’s right side media outlet Fox TV.
Doomed. The US is doooomed.
Left and right agree on more war. Against all logic, against all economic realities, only globalism wins when the US falls from within. The trading zones. The failed oil-dependent state of America is creating the terrorism and now they are set to suffer down the right side of the Peak Oil curve with a police state.
Doomed. So prepare for the next state of affairs. First chaos comes with the collapse. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. The US will fall with a mighty doomed-boom.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:42 amThe road to disaster would be starting a war on frauded intelligence…. Intelligence frauded by the NSA itself.
November 23rd, 2006 at 6:14 amwhat’s wrong with Connecticut? ugh, I’d be hanging my head if I lived there….
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:07 amJoe Lieberman is a member of the Connecticut For Lieberman Party and thus is not a Democrat.
He has chosen to caucus with the Democrats but he is not an elected Democrats.
So everytime he goes on Taliban Sean’s show to bash Democrats, he is not bashing members of his own party.
November 23rd, 2006 at 9:57 am#103, Again, Joe Lieberman has shown his contempt for democracy. Not only did he oppose the will of Conneticut’s people…
Nope, he opposed the will of the Democrats. The people elected him legally and legitimatly. Deal with it.
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:26 amHe’s a shill.
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:55 amHe’s a plant.
He’s probably, in my mind, the most dispicable politician.
He’s the most unkosher of animals.. a total pig. I can’t believe he got back in. This bastard will single-handedly undo the majority we have, in the senate. I don’t even think it matters if the Dem’s try to placate him. He’s not worth it. Such a pig.
Turtle man, turtle man, how does you horn blow. You have sided with the Bush administration for six years and you show no sign of letting up, when will the madness end? I agree with you Turtle man that the violence will spike when we leave, but it’s going to anyway. It doesn’t matter if we stay there for ten more years, it’s not going to make a difference. I learned growing up with five brothers that when they want to fight, let them fight. That’s the only way to solve what is a growing problem that America cannot force Iraqi’s to solve at the point of a gun.
When will you realize that dying in Iraq doesn’t help Israel at all. If you keep shouting, “the sky is falling” people may stop listening to you. It’s obvious to me that you have never had a physical fight in your life and you know as much about fighting as you know about foreign policy. If you feel so strongly about it then get a weapon and go fight in Iraq yourself.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 pmIf there’s one thing I hate, it’s a chiken hawk.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:38 pmSO, do it all at once, NOW!
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:08 pmSo this is what the unhinged left looks like…yikes!
Grow up and read some history while you are at it. Do you think that Arabs slaughtering Arabs or Muslims slaughtering Muslims is new?
Iraqis now have a chance, a chance mind you, to form and hold a republic. If they blow it, and Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, it does not mean that American was wrong; it means that Arabs are hopeless and pathetic. Yes, mistakes have been made; sorry that war and dealing with savages is not as perfect as your lives and your Star Trek-inspired worldview.
Or, do you all perhaps still hold onto the ridiculous view, endlessly espoused by the media, that Islam is a “religion of peace” and Arabs are “victims”?
Read some history; any, please, now. Continue to live as self-loathing and whiny liberals if you like…and watch as history passes you by.
Best regards,
Sam Haldi
November 24th, 2006 at 12:56 amAtlanta, GA
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