Shays: ‘The Democrats…Own [Iraq] Now As Much As This President’
Shays: ‘The Democrats…Own [Iraq] Now As Much As This President’
Appearing last night on MSNBC, Rep. Christopher Shays (R-CT) claimed that “the Democrats may not want to own Iraq but they own it now as much as this President.” Watch it:
Democrats have not controlled the White House or either branch of Congress since the Iraq war began in 2003. Over that time, numerous leading Democrats have called for laws, resolutions, and hearings to prompt changes in our Iraq policy. Even when Democrats do assume control over Congress in January, the Bush administration will retain the authority to set many of our foreign policy and military priorities.
The more likely truth is that Chris Shays — who “voted for the war and then stubbornly supported President Bush’s ’stay the course’ strategy until only three months ago, when he came out in favor of a timetable for withdrawal” — is just desperate to pass the buck.
Full transcript:
MATTHEWS: Let me ask you first about the Iraq war, you’ve been there so many times. You know the situation. What is it right now, the situation in Iraq with our troops?
SHAYS: Well, the problem is we’re a divided nation. We went into Iraq on a bipartisan basis and we’re gonna have to find a bipartisan solution, and the Democrats may not want to own Iraq but they own it now as much as this President. And that’s not a bad thing.
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November 22nd, 2006 at 1:16 pmIs this really acceptable?
Am I really hearing elected officials pass the buck like some kind of middle manager with an impending tee time?
I hope the new congress drop the axe on these bastards without remorse. I want perp walks. I want empty apologies shouted over racous booing. I want tribunals with results.
I want justice. This circus has gone on long enough.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:18 pmThat's gotta be the most wankerific statement since, well since rape gurney joe's disaster bullshit. These guys are almost unbelievable.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:18 pmHealth Care in '07?, the news behind "Shut Up and Sing"?
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In this remark, as in so many others, you see the cognitive/behavioral link back to whiny kids who tattle, suck their thumbs and hug the teacher's leg all through recess because they're scared of the other kids.
Shays and the rest of his thumb-sucking minority consistently abandoned history, reason and prudence while in the majority and while working with a Republican President.
And now they want to blame the Democrats whom they ignored and legislatively emasculated all the way through the process.
Want some cheese to go along with that whine, Chris?
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:22 pmIt's been two weeks since election and a little over a month before the Democrats take over Congress, and look at the mess in Iraq they've made already.
The voters know it's a Republican mess, and that's what matter.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:25 pmNo comments.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:25 pmWe didn't break it so we don't own it; GOP does.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 pmSo the democrats bought a used car and that car was driven into the ground by the previous owners, the republicans. Democrats may "own" the car now, but it's the republicans who wrecked it.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 pmIf the Dems own it, then they can get rid of it.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:36 pmDemocrats own Iraq. Period. They never had a position and they never supported Murtha. More lies from ThinkProgress.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmHate to say it but he isprobably right. If we Dems don't do something to improve Iraq or at least push the hell out of Bush to do something '08 may be pretty bleak.
It ain't our mess but we just might be stuck with it...
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmDoes that imply that Chris Shays used to own it? And he is the reason it all went wrong? Wonder what he would say about that.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:39 pm#2 yes you heard it correctly. I have already seen letter to the editors in local papers where thhe rabid faithful are already blaming the democrats for the situation in Iraq and they have not even been offcially sworn in yet. It must be a new talking point.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmThe Dems didn't buy the car, NMRT, we confiscated the keys from the Repubs and gave them to the Dems because we were sick of watching the Repubs weave down the street and over the sidewalks, mowing down hapless pedestrians while they swilled booze, popped prescription pills, snorted lines of coke off the dashboard, and fondled underage pages in the passenger seat.
Yes, the car is a mess...it's all beat up and splattered with gore, there's a dead hitchhiker logded under the air dam, and it will take years to get the stink of booze and sweaty, desperate gay sex out of the upholstery, but that's the job we hired the Dems to do, and they better get started. They've got two years to prove to the electorate that they can do the job....if they don't, they can be back in the minority easily enough.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:43 pmDemocrats own Iraq. Period. They never had a position and they never supported Murtha. More lies from ThinkProgress.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:44 pmComment by Jeff — November 22, 2006 @ 1:38 pm
Okay, does this post make any sense to anyone?
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November 22nd, 2006 at 1:45 pmWhat if our most powerful weapons were ideas?
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wow! stunning contribution by ren, thank you for injecting such insight into this debate.
anyway, the Democrats as well as the president DO own Iraq, because the american military destroyed the country, the president gave the orders and he was enabled by some of this site's favorite Dems who gave their blank check and thumbs up sign.
the point is this, its going to take this country coming together to get us the hell out. Then again, like the wingnuts on the right this is impossible as we have rhetorical points to win!
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmWrong, Iraq will go down in history as Bush's war. Sorry, you people aren't intellectuals. You don't take teaching jobs. You don't write factual books. You don't live in reality. You don't get to decide and revise history. It just happens.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmChristopher Shays should realize that the Republicans still have some time to improve the situation. The Dems don't own it yet. The Congress is still a Repub majority. So he should get to work and improve the mess they have made. Or they can continue to do nothing at all....his choice. What a loser.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmNo, Drxj it did't, but ren's did...
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:53 pmSpudge speaketh sooth - as did Olbermann when he said that no one remembers LBJ for civil rights or war on poverty but only for Vietnam and 58000 dead Americans.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:56 pmSpudgeboy (pause for laughter),
yes but its our troops who are in the line of fire, men and women who enable you to post as Spudgeboy.
November 22nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmOkay, does this post make any sense to anyone?
Comment by DRxJ — November 22, 2006 @ 1:44 pm
Not me. But, my IQ is triple digits like yours...
Yet again, Jeff offers further proof that the Rethuglicans are not only NOT the party of responsibility, but they aren't even mature adults. This is like babysitting...
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:01 pmmen and women who enable you to post as Spudgeboy.
Comment by greg wirth — November 22, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
Spudge served in the Gulf War. I'm betting YOU didn't...
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:02 pmSOME Dems voted for the IWR based on faulty & cherry picked intel plumped up by this admin. Some Dems have already said they wouldn't have given the prez the authority to proceed with the invasion if they knew the true condition of Iraq's WMD program and Iraqi popular conditions.
Until the Phase II study is released (to determine whether this administration lied us into war) and unless it conclusively finds that W didn't overstate the case for war and complied with the IWR (i.e., used the declaration for war as a last resort...hint: he didn't), this war is owned by W
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:03 pm...or more appropriately this war owns Bush.
No, Drxj it did’t, but ren’s did…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — November 22, 2006 @ 1:53 pm
LOL!
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:04 pmthe point is this, its going to take this country coming together to get us the hell out.
Comment by greg wirth
No it doesn't. All it would take is for the president to bring the troops home. If he doesn't then Congress must make him do it (budget cuts). How many Repubs do you think would follow the Dems on that? If you seriously think the Repubs will suddenly work with the Dems to promote the Dems aganda you are sniffing glue.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:05 pmgreg wirth:
non-sequitor much?
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmFor people like him is that the GOP lost control of Congress, keep it up !!
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmyes but its our troops who are in the line of fire, men and women who enable you to post as Spudgeboy.
Comment by greg wirth
Yes, those Iraqis were really threatening Spudgeboy's ability to post opinions on the internets tubes. This has nothing to do with the troops but with the leadership of this country.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:07 pmWhat angers me is that one side is stating "It's not on us anymore, it's on our opponents". The government is supposed to be working together for the common good, but instead has been reduced to a team sport.
This would be a completely different thread if Shays had said 'This is our mess let's all do what we can to clean it up'. because it is OUR mess, regardless of who started it or who enabled it. We all need to work to fix it, together.
And ANYONE; be it verbally, legislatively, or otherwise, who is willing to distract from that or obstruct such progress should be stripped of title, access, and respect. This has less to do with him being a republican and more to do with blatantly making statements that are AGAINST positive progress in the Iraq situation.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:11 pmYet again, Jeff offers further proof that the Rethuglicans are not only NOT the party of responsibility, but they aren’t even mature adults. This is like babysitting…
--- unbelievable
And babysitting adults with room temperature IQs can become annoying at best.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:13 pmyes but its our troops who are in the line of fire, men and women who enable you to post as Spudgeboy.
--- greg wirth
Spudge served, like a few of us here.
Did you troll?
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:15 pmThe Iraqi people own Iraq. Just committing imperial colonial aggression in the 21st century as Bush & Company did when they started terrorizing the Iraqi people in March 2003 does not give them any "ownership" of Iraq... It would seem that the war on Iraq was started to allow Halliburton and other GOP-run corporations to loot the our treasury and steal from the American people...
cheers.
The
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:26 pmNow, that's disingenuous.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:26 pmAll Americans own the issue of Iraq. And most Americans want to get the hell out.
Republicans just open the mouth to be heard. And nothing of substance ever comes out.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:28 pmHe supported the war...until he saw that such support can cause him to lose his seat in Connecticut. And if GOP supporters of the war continue to be stubborn in the face of all facts now on the grounds in Iraq...They all might find themselves losing their seats in the next round...because the support is dwingling everyday...For Democrats, if they just ignore people and don't do what they promised to do..then they will also lose confidence of voters and this will translate to losing the House again.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmIsn't this the idiot who went to Iraq something like 13 times on our tax dollars? He must 'get off' on being around men in uniform or something.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:31 pmJeff Gannon, anyone?
Mr. Shays, you're not much of a Senator, but trying to shove your problems onto us is hypocritical, unfair & downright laughable.
Go take a good look in the mirror.
Now you know what Christian Talibans look like.
You know the best way to defeat them?
VOTE!
Democrats own Iraq. Period. They never had a position and they never supported Murtha. More lies from ThinkProgress.
Comment by Jeff — November 22, 2006 @ 1:38 pm
Bizarre comment, to say the least, Karl (uh, I mean Jeff). Foreign policy is the President's perogative. Bush wanted the war. He and his team assembled phony evidence to sell the war. They pandered to the base nationalist instincts of their bedwetting supporters to drive a mob mentality in favor of the war. They viciously accused anyone who questioned them or their motives of treason. And they have done everything on earth to "stay the course".
So Jeff, I think you have some explaining to do.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:32 pmWishful thinking, Shays! Perhaps by simple inheritance the dems will now have the voice to finding a solution, finally but , clearly, the blame for this debacle known as the Iraq War belongs exclusively to you and the repugnants with whom you associate....the lameduck, flagging GOP!
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:35 pmSince Greg Wirth's comments on this thread don't make a whole lot of sense, I checked out his blog site, which also doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Greg seems to be a Libertarian, which is just about the most simplistic, ideological, and irrational political philosophy I know of, except perhaps for anarchism.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:41 pmI checked out his blog site
--- RealScientist
Better wash those eyes out before the rot sets in now.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:46 pmWhat's the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:52 pmWhat’s the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?
----- TerrytheTurtle
The spelling of the words.
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:54 pmSwan - 1776, 1789, 1848, 1905, 1968. Jefferson thought so too...
November 22nd, 2006 at 2:56 pmWhat’s the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — November 22, 2006 @ 2:52 pm
Great point, TTT. There really isn't much difference, except that Libertarians want everything to be decided by litigation in some kind of supercharged court system.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:01 pmWayne - I thought it was being able to afford your own REI skimasks.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmMathews asks a question about the troops in Iraq, and he doesn't answer it and instead talks about politics? How in the hell do the democrats own Iraq? Did we start the war? Did we hold a state of the union address? Do we hire or fire the secretary of defense, secretary of state, plan, organize, send troops or not send troops? Bush's camp has made it clear that congress is not in charge of any of this, unless they want to hold onto the purse, in which case the repubs will crucify them in the press.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:05 pmGlenn Beckshit is a Libertarian, if that helps.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:11 pmHannity's a 'Reagan Repulican'.
OTOH, my Dad was a 'Reagan Democrat'.
Reagan was the original flip-flopper.
Go figure.
Did I miss something? Is Bush no longer the President and Commander in Chief? No matter what bill the Democrats com up with, it still has to be signed by the President. Don't tell me only progressives stayed awake during poly sci class...
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:17 pm#15 TMM - That's the best damn post I've read in months!
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:18 pmRepublicans are DESPERATE to push their huge mess onto Democrats. It's really pitiful. They really are the take-no-responsibility-for-anything party. Blame, blame, blame....shame, shame, shame.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:20 pmwhat a G D liar, bush is responsible for the slaughter of women and babies of iraq, he and his war mongering republicans are going straight to hell.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:33 pmbush must get a real stiffie knowing that he is playing god, the people in iraq will never forgive america for the wholesale slaughter of its innocent civilians.
one just has to look at the pictures of the dead children to understand that bush's phoney war is criminal.
may bush rot in hell for his crimes against the innocent.
Then if the Dems now own Iraq get the hell out of their way and let them make the decisions on it. I swear the whiney right are the sorest bunch of losers that have ever graced this planet.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:41 pmMr. Shays obviously has no appreciation of infamy, nor of the indelible imprint the boots of his party have left upon Iraq and/or the esteem of America as a whole. Nice work, Chris.
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:06 pmDear Ms. Bucket - Dems remind me of a bunch of spoiled,obnoxious kids. Waaaagh! Most Dems voted FOR the war a FACT Dems rarely, if ever, mention. When the going gets tough - the Dems go running. Your party is in a leadership position - have at it......
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:10 pmThe republicans and this administration were wrong about the threat of WMD, they were wrong about the amount of troops, they were wrong about disbanding the military, they were wrong about allowing chaos after the fall of Bahgdad, they were wrong about turning away from Afghanistan, They were wrong to lie to the American people.
I don't want them to run anything. They aren't conservative (500 billion + towards a war they haven't begun to say how to pay for it). Family values my ass, just look at Foley and Newt. Less gov't? Homeland Security, so it's a definite no there.
Republicans have become the party of Smear and Fear. They are best when they are the minority because they will stick closer to their supposed values.
If the Dems own it then give them 3 years and lets see the status instead of discovering your voice that this conflict isn't going well.
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:10 pmRighties sound like a broken record. Keep pulling out the same old retread arguments. Ever had an original thought, gang? Then again, I keep forgetting that most of them are just the manifestations of one schizophrenic person. Sad, really.
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:22 pmMA would really like Shays' ridiculous statement to be true, however it isn't, so she joins him in a callow and useless exercise in sour-grapism and petty bickering, which is all either of them appear to be good for. Congratulations on your obsolete and irrelevant comments, Chris and MA!
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:25 pmmen and women who enable you to post as Spudgeboy.
Comment by greg wirth
This failed propagandistic war-mongering message was brought to you by a stupid who think McDonald´s is great food.
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:26 pmMr. Shays,
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:26 pmYou and the rest of the Repugnazis created the mess that is Iraq along with the zero in the WH. Therefore you and you alone own it. So I suggest you take it, bend over, and place it where the sun doesn't shine. Oh and take all the unpaid bills that you didn't act on, because of all the vacations you took on the taxpayers dimes and put them there too.
Look at what you've degraded to Flighty far Righty, it is you who are whining. The Dems haven't even taken their seats yet and now you want results?
Most Dems voted on the conflict (not declared a war and I would think you know the difference) given the false and limited information provided by GW.
Look at the US history for what Democrats do when times get tough. FDR brought this country back together and excelled us to become the great American Empire. Kennedy faced down the Soviet Union when actual WMD's were in play.
You are taking your defeat so hard but try to keep the same understanding and patience you had with the previous failed House and Senate.
oh yeah, Tooooodles
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:26 pmI am thankful to God for so much…..but most of all that I was lucky enough to be born in such a wonderful country……
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Now thats what a real debater would argue. Ha ha!
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:41 pmComment by mighty aphrodite
Yep, it was wonderful back then. It's been going downhill since. Excuse us while we try to stop the downward slide.
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:42 pmThe going gets tough - The Dems go running....(for some reason I think the Dems of the Day lack the same credentials as FDR and JFK - - you wimps of the day wouldn't have made it through the first 6 months of defeat in WWII without ditching the effort. The Cuban Missile crisis would have made your knuckles white - fight after you dug out an old borscht recipe....Joe Lieberman is CLOSER to JFK on security and social issues than ANY other Democrat. I suspect he would not be very proud of the "peace at any cost" mantle his Party has become.....
Nooooodles......just like your spine........
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:42 pmJuan - better get back to your Argentinian/Hitler Youth Brigade.....They're waiting for you to lead the salute and heel clicking.....P.S. If it makes you feel any better Hitler was an atheist, too......
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:45 pmI stopped reading the comments at #15, because TripMasterMonkey says all there is to say on this particular thread.
*standing ovation*
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:47 pmMighty Hag (Chips), you're starting to smell sweaty.
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:49 pm"That's not a bad thing"? Chris Says - hack extraordinaire - will not only hold Nancy Pelosi responsible for Bush's blunder, he'll likely blame her for those deficits as well. Yes - the Chris Says House just left town not addressing all those spending bills. Why should anyone vote for such a hack in the 1st place?
November 22nd, 2006 at 4:51 pm75. I should have read that one. I agree. Well said TMM.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:03 pmPEOPLE!!! PEOPLE!!!! PEOPLE!!!
Haven't you learned ANYTHING from all the Repug programming????
IT's all CLINTON's FAULT!!!!!!!
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:06 pmNooooodles……just like your spine……..
Now your'e just being mean.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:09 pm"Hitler was a RIGHT WING CHRISTIAN with a JEWISH GRANDMOTHER and an AFFECTION for GREEK/ROMAN mythology!"
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:16 pm*******No, Idiot, he threw over religion and God and became a vegetarian atheist......Should appeal to you!
MA Remember....... This wasn't a midterm election, it was an intervention, and for your sake as well as the rest of the world's.
SO, just sit back and enjoy a little adult supervison for a change.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:17 pmYou also have a desire to insult without vulgarity
Comment by hellinabucket — November 22, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
I consider it the peak of vulgarity that Mighty Make Me Puke repeated the absolutely disgusting slander that Democrats oppose Lieberman because they are anti-Semitic. I take this charge by Mighty Puke seriously, and the gloves are coming off now.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:36 pmMighty Arsewipe - Hitler vegetarian atheist?
Vegetarian - yes because of his ulcers
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:38 pmAtheist - prove it or you are liar. Paganism and antisemitism or not synonymous with atheism.
You didn't know Mighty Hag was a lying, racist, scumbag until now, Real?
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:42 pmRealScientist,
You are infinitely patient.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:46 pmI'm all for it RealScientist. I guess I should have said profanity. I agree that many of her statements are vulgar. Anyone who goes that route should be prepared for the same.
With all said, I am thankful flighty and her ilk are among us. It adds credence to positions taken and her never say "you're right" attitude is funny in it's insanity.
off to prepare for the big bird day.
November 22nd, 2006 at 5:57 pmWait a second... At exactly which point did Republicans start acknowledging that there is actually something wrong with Iraq?
You know, we could just say "Sure, the Democrats own Iraq and 'Progress is being made... Freedom is on the march'" etc, but we wouldn't because we actually care about what's going on... unlike Shay and his ilk who apparently have just given up.
Its nothing new. Democrats have always been there to clean up after Republicans. Its what they do best.
November 22nd, 2006 at 6:14 pm“Mighty Tea-Baggerâ€, can I use that?
Comment by ren
It's been used before, but it's time to dust it off and re-use it. :)
November 22nd, 2006 at 6:15 pmYes we are all going to have to fix this mess, but lets not forget how it came to be.
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:31 pm*******No, Idiot, he threw over religion and God and became a vegetarian atheist……Should appeal to you!
Comment by mighty aphrodite — November 22, 2006 @ 5:16 pm
Nonsense. He was the same brand of Christian as you - the most hypocritical kind...
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed.
---Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922, published in My New Order
I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so
---Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941
Check the dates. He never gave up his religion.
More FACTS and PROOF at:
http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_AHitler.htm
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:34 pmBerlin Churches Establish Bureau to Win Back Worshippers
Wireless to the New York Times.
BERLIN, May 13. - In Freethinkers Hall, which before the Nazi resurgence was the national headquarters of the German Freethinkers League, the Berlin Protestant church authorities have opened a bureau for advice to the public in church matters. Its chief object is to win back former churchgoers and assist those who have not previously belonged to any religious congregation in obtaining church membership.
The German Freethinkers League, which was swept away by the national revolution, was the largest of such organizations in Germany. It had about 500,000 members ...
[New York Times, May 14, 1993, page 2, on Hitler's outlawing of atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany in the Spring of 1933, after the Enabling Act authorizing Hitler to rule by decree]
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:35 pmPaganism and antisemitism or not synonymous with atheism.
Comment by Jealous of Jeff — November 22, 2006 @ 5:38 pm
Agreed. The lunactics cannot wrap their tiny little controlled minds around the fact that Atheism is the REJECTION of such ideologies, and not an ideology in and of itself... They don't get that we think for ourselves and CHOOSE to be ethical, while they struggle to be ethical...
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:40 pmMighty Aphrodite: Do I need to say it again? SHUT UP BITCH.
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:42 pmJeff: "Democrats own Iraq. Period. They never had a position and they never supported Murtha. More lies from ThinkProgress."
UN FRICKIN' BELIEVABLE! They haven't even started their new congressional term you silly ass. This is what we're dealing with people with the stinking 30%. Crazy f*cking a-holes who have no values, no morals and shit for brains.
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:43 pmnice beotch slap.
Comment by ren — November 22, 2006 @ 7:40 pm
Thanks... Though I think MA likes it. It reinforces his masochistic tendancies...
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:47 pmMea Culpa, Mighty Hag...?
*snort*
November 22nd, 2006 at 7:51 pmMea Culpa, Mighty Hag…?
*snort*
Comment by Zooey — November 22, 2006 @ 7:51 pm
Ever the optimist ; )
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:01 pmYeah, a special diet where you aren’t supposed to eat meat.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — November 22, 2006 @ 8:09 pm
I initially gave up red meat, and then all meat after watching my father die from colon cancer over the course of 12 years. It had nothing to do with my political affliation, which at the time was actually right of center...
I am now vegan, because being a liberal means that I am able to value the life of something other than my own kind...
Funny how MA has time to blog the day before a huge holiday, huh?
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:17 pm*snort*-I missed that one. What does that mean? Seems like fun. Happy turkey day to all.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:36 pmWhat’s the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — November 22, 2006 @ 2:52 pm
One dosen't holds meetings, the other invites Anne Coulter on his show.
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:40 pmCan I say it again, please…….?
Ooops i just did……..
Comment by ren — November 22, 2006 @ 8:45 pm
I think Miss Manners would suggest-F*UCK (Mr,) Christopher Shays.:)
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:51 pm*snort*-I missed that one. What does that mean? Seems like fun. Happy turkey day to all.
Comment by Joefriday
That's the equivalent of shooting pop out of your nose. I was cracking myself up thinking of The Hag offering any mea culpa.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pmGLORY MEADOW ....
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:24 amthat's what Republicans are all about--passing the buck. What an emarrassment this guy must be to his state.
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:04 amwhat about revolution.....?......What about taking the power back!!!
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:05 am#23 and no one is going to remember for low unemloyment, just Iraq.
#112, I am now vegan, because being a liberal means that I am able to value the life of something other than my own kind…
Unless it is still in the womb, right?Hypocracy at its finest. A womans right over that of an unborn child.
Dems and Repubs both hold and equal share. after all, Congress approved it. Hell, even Goddess Hilary has been there to tell the troops what a good job they are doing.
Pass the turkey, pray to your God, support our troops in your own fashion. Have a good Thanksgiving
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:12 amWhat’s the difference between a libertarian and an anarchist?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — November 22, 2006 @ 2:52 pm
A libertarian is a USA far right winger who thinks that he has the right to shot everyone who comes near his nuclear shelter in the Ozarks (where he hides his illegal distillery), and an anarchist is a extreme leftist who believes in total social justice, freedom and no private property.
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:47 amUnless it is still in the womb, right?Hypocracy at its finest. A womans right over that of an unborn child.
It's not hypocrisy (learn to spell it) to value a real life over a potential one. It's my own ideology (what you call religion). You want me to respect your right not to have an abortion, then hypocrisy is you not respecting my right to value a viable life over one that isn't. It's just as valid as you having the right to believing in invisible sky daddies, talking donkeys, burning bushes that speak, and folks rising from the dead.
Dems and Repubs both hold and equal share. after all, Congress approved it. Hell, even Goddess Hilary has been there to tell the troops what a good job they are doing.
On faulty intelligence and lies. Just like you're a Christian for the same reasons. Doesn't make you a real Christian, however. Because you aren't.
Pass the turkey, pray to your God, support our troops in your own fashion. Have a good Thanksgiving
Comment by robert — November 23, 2006 @ 10:12 am
There is no god. And you're either a hypocrite or a liar for saying you support animal's rights. Which is it?
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 am#122 #112, I am now vegan, because being a liberal means that I am able to value the life of something other than my own kind…
Unless it is still in the womb, right?Hypocracy at its finest. A womans right over that of an unborn child.
If they're out of the womb already, they're already fair targets, it's not? Do you know how many children have died in Iraq? I know, you don't give a cent for any iraqi children. Well then. Do you know how many children in the USA go to bed without supper, thanks to the fear to "welfare freeloaders" of your kin? But hey, is far better to save the money for aggresion wars, it's not?
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:04 pmLet me make this clear for all of you as a resident in Mr. Shays 4th district. It was none other than Shays who plugged hardest for this war of all U.S. congressmen. I witnessed him stand 4 hours straight in front of a packed crowd and C-Span audience to carry the President's bags. Let me just say that Chris did not listen at all to his constituents who were extremely unconvinced of the threats Iraq posed to our sacred shores. He was as condescending then as he is today. After a 3% victory and Ms. Johnson and Mr. Simmons defeated, you would think the senior statesman would just shut up. The man apparently can not learn a lesson even after so many have died and suffered due to his contribution. He basically killed a cat through it own your doorstep and told you it's your problem. Bye
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:29 pmMy apology on the typo. He basically killed a cat, threw it on your doorstep, and told you it's your problem. Now that the cat stinks to high heaven he's gone to take a shower while you grab the tail and hold your nose.
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:44 pmSome Democrats DO own Iraq just and much as Bush. Kerry and Clinton to name just two.
November 26th, 2006 at 1:48 amJake,
I agree completely that various and sundry Dems are complicit. The big diff is that Republicans such as Mr. Shays eagerly and actively promoted this war with blind indifference. The fact of the matter is that before the invasion, to quote a fellow resident, "Saddam can't take a pee without our F-16's flying over his head". Shays response to this comment was a blank stare. Yes, some of the aforementioned Dems tacitly approved out of fear. But let's not forget who really started this mess. Truth is we all own this debacle now. Unfortunetly most are more concerned with a new playstation...Dan
November 28th, 2006 at 10:12 am