Dobson: I Want To Cure Ted Haggard of Being Gay But Don’t Have Time, It ‘Could Take Four or Five Years’
Dobson: I Want To Cure Ted Haggard of Being Gay But Don’t Have Time, It ‘Could Take Four or Five Years’
Ted Haggard was one of the most prominent evangelical leaders in the nation until he admitted to having a sexual relationship with a male prostitute and buying meth.
Focus on the family founder James Dobson, who considers Haggard a “close friend,” told CNN’s Larry King last night that he was “asked to serve on a three person restoration panel.” One purpose of the panel, Dobson acknowledged, was to “restore [Haggard] from being gay to not gay.” Dobson said he didn’t have time to participate, however, because such a process “could take four or five years.” Watch it:
Transcript:
KING: Have you spoken to him?
DOBSON: I have talked to him. I was asked to serve on a three person restoration panel and I originally wanted to be of help and said that I would, but I just don’t have the time to do that. And I called my board of directors, we talked about it at length and they were unanimous in asking me not to do that, because this could take four or five years and I just have too many other things going on.
KING: How’s he doing?
DOBSON: I don’t know. I haven’t talked to him since it happened.
KING: Oh you haven’t?
DOBSON: I talked to him the day that the news broke and I have not talked to him since then.
KING: Was he sad that day?
DOBSON: Oh, of course. I mean you can imagine he was shocked, he was numb, he even lied about it. There’s a video of him saying that none of these things are true, but they were true or a least some of them were
KING: When you say, Doctor, when you say “restoration” you mean restore him from being gay to not gay or what do you mean?
DOBSON: Yeah, probably that, too.
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One purpose of the panel, Dobson acknowledged, was to “restore [Haggard] from being gay to not gay.â€
And this is a I World Country.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:13 pmMaybe Mr. Dobson can cure me from being an African America he has the power. Is this made as dumb as he sounds. Maybe Dobson can cure himself from being a bigit idiot and follower of Satan now that would be nice to see.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmMaybe Dobson can cure me from being African American. Maybe he can cure himself from being a bigit and an idiot. Well at lease this tell everyone what born again christian means. Satan is teaching Dobson well. Now one must wonder if Dobson has some secrets and just using Haggard as the headliner. Romney is hiding his dirty little secret who else? At lease Americans know Karls play for the christian right was make believe as these guys talk.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:20 pmDang – it takes four or five years for these neocons to “cure” a gay person? Have they tried waterboarding? I heard it is a favorite in the neocon crowd!!
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 pmWell, maybe Dobson can just beat it out of him, just as he beat the defiance out of his little dachshund with his belt.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmThis guy is nuts… You have to read his description about showering with young boys….
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmThis dickwad also says that there has never been a separation of church and state. Go figure how he gets all the time and space to tell his evil lies.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 pmMaybe God will soon cure James Dobson’s heart from beating??? Just a little wishful thinking on this turkey day.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:40 pmI’d like to cure Dobson from being a bigot. But don’t have time. It could take 40 or 50 years..
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:41 pmDobson said he didn’t have time to participate, however, because such a process “could take four or five years.â€
He doesn’t have four or five years to do the Lord’s work of torturing gay people?
It’s the dreaded brimstone of eternal damnation for you Jimmy…
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 pmA homophobe expressing his irrationally bigoted opinions is no less repugnant than Michael Richard’s racist ranting. BOTH are EQUALLY WRONG and DESERVING of CONDEMNATION!
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 pmHe must be really gay!
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 pmHe must be really gay!
Comment by Impeach the PedoCons — November 23, 2006 @ 12:53 pm
LOL… Yep.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmDobson doesn’t give a shit aobut Haggard.
November 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmMaybe Donson plans to heal Haggard the same way the male prostitute was helping out.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 pmDobson…I meant. Here we are 2-3 °C. Freezing my ass.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:01 pmWhat a terrific friend Mr. Dobson has turned out to be to Mr. Haggard. If you literally believe Mr. Dobson, he just doesn’t have the time to help out a good friend. I tend to belive that if Mr. Dobson truly believed he could cure Mr. Haggard, he’d probably make this his first priority. It speaks volumes about the reality of these so called “conversion” programs.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:06 pmChristianity is a diease of the mind where the brain stops filtering statements for logic, and forms bias against life-affirming qualities.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:07 pmWow, what irony. Now that his friend is busted, he no longer talks to him, he doesn’t have time for him — to work his un-gay miracle cure. A hypocrite of the highest order — I am not surprised.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmBlessed are the Peacemakers (Matthew 5:9)
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 pmDamned are the WarMongers
So what is their “secret”? I mean they talk like they have some kind of plan and a 4 or 5 year process to accomplish this. So what are the steps? What are the goals that you shoot for that tells them they are making progress and not just getting Haggard to say what they want him to say? Oh well it is probably just like their Iraq misadventure… no plan just ideology, faith, and alot of lieing to themselves.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:13 pmWords like sinking ship, deserting and rats come to mind.
He could just have said “I wish him well but I don’t want to be in the same room in case I catch what he has.”
I recall seeing Ted Haggard talking to Prof. Richard Dawkins, arch irritant of the creationists. Haggard was sneering and scornful to the nobel laureate and in the end resorted to implicit threats when he had no answers to Dawkings questioning of creationist ideas.
So when I heard of the downfall of this moralising hypocrite I thought “couldn’t happen to a nicer man.”
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:14 pmMr. Dobson is busy turning water into wine this holiday season, so cut him some slack.
-GSD
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:15 pmDobson is probably gay too.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmDoctor, Doctor, gimme the cure…
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:30 pm….I gotta…ba-a-a-a-a-d case of lovin’ you…..
funny what one homophobic gay man says about another homophobic gay man when he is trying to hide their relationship as crooks and as homophobic gay men.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:32 pmain’t religion grand?
#25 Dobson is probably gay too. — Being repeatedly pummeled as a youth by his mother throwing her girdle at him probably didn’t help Dobson’s lot in life.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 pmMr. Dobson has to do God’s work and root all all the gays and people living in sin. He doesn’t have time for a man, a friend, that is in need of help. I can understan… if you had a choice between saving one of God’s children, or being able to influence the lost, gather the cash and get the Republicans back onto the God wagon… what would you do? Or, better yet… WWJD?
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:37 pmI could cure Dobson’s fundamentalism if I had a few years. You see, it all comes from bad parenting during the formative early years. A two or three year course of intensive reparenting therapy should undo the harm of a childhood filled with fundamentalist brain washing. Fundamentalism is not inborn; it comes from bad parenting. There is no fundamentalism gene, only bad surroundings.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:37 pmMr. Dobson, your 15 minutes of fame have ended. Please round-up the other evangelical leadership and crawl back under your collective rock.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:40 pmCuring gays is easy. All you need to do is let all the bad blood drain out like in the old days.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:53 pmI could cure Dobson and Haggard in a nanosecond, by applying the Scientology method known as R2-45. It’s foolproof!
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 pmDobson told Larry King he believed homosexuality was a matter of nurturing. He then gave an example of a male child having too close of a relationship with his mother and a distant one with his father. So since homosexuality is found in the animal world, we should be working on curing our sinful animals by assuring they come from an intact, functional homelife. This should take much less than 4-5 years and clearly prove Dobson’s view that restoration works. And since animials are God’s creation, they need to see the light and be save too! And God forbid you find a gay turkey on your Holiday day dinner table. Who knows what the consequences of that could be?
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmAs a gay man who spent two years of my youth inside Mel Sembler’s ‘Straght Inc.’, I can honestly say that I feel really sorry for Ted Haggard. They will cut him off from the outside world, and practice the most horrifc forms of thoght reform on this poor conflicted self-loathing gay man.
10 or more hours a day of confrontive ‘therapy’, food, sex and sleep deprivation, verbal and physical abuse, and this will be every day for as much as 3-5 years. Haggard may well end up like some of us who lived through this terrible process of thought-reform, he might carve iin his own arms, consider or try suicide, any number of self destructive actions.
In the end, he may or may not succeed in creating enough cognitive dissonance in his own mind to alllow him to believe that he is no longer gay, but he will still have the drive to be who and what he is, and will eventually either have to end his own life or lifestyle, one or the other.
He is to be pitied, as much for what he is about to experience as for what kind of self-loathing hell he has already endured.
There is no hatred more powerful or destructive than that which is directed inward. Simply because it will always find a pathway to become directed outward and then we all suffer for the defects of the individual.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:02 pmWhen we experience other people we also have evoked awarenesses of ourselves. We can navigate our course though honesty or we can navigate our course through the use of self deception but in both cases the environment of our awareness, both conscious and subconscious, is our reference and denial of this reference is denial of the foundation upon which our world is built.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:03 pmThe problem with Dobson is that he believes in touchy-feely liberal methods of curing homosexuals. Real conservative Christians have always known that there’s only one way – burning them at the stake! When will these namby-pamby liberals ever learn?
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmUnfortunately for the good reverend dobson, there is no cure for stupidity.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmMay their “heavenly Father” will take both of them home to their “rewards” and leave the rest of us to live in peace.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:06 pmThis guy is a f*&king moron.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:07 pmDr. Dobson claims that he and Mr. Haggard were friends yet he only talked to him once to confirm it occurred and can’t be bothered to call or counsel him because “it would take too long”.
Yeah, real Christian attitude you have there Dr. Dobson.
Now we see the true definition of ‘cut and run’.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:13 pmSounds like he’s more afraid of a very public failure of his “restoration” process.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:16 pm“The problem with Dobson is that he believes in touchy-feely liberal methods of curing homosexuals. Real conservative Christians have always known that there’s only one way – burning them at the stake! When will these namby-pamby liberals ever learn?”
LOL. ROTFLMO. Yes, getting at the truth of a lie. Reminds me of the many scenes depicting the inner sources of repression, dishonesty and violence in the movie “Harold and Maude”.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:17 pmPaa-rray the Gay Away!
Say hallelujah
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:31 pmThe problem with the Dobson’s method of “degayfication” is that the receiver becomes a sado maso victim…
BTW, the miraculous method includes also the drug cleaning of Haggard’s body, or that would be another 4 or 5 years of additional therapy?
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:33 pmsadly, with the mel gibson incident, the michael richards, the ted haggart and followup, our culture continues to promote the unhealthy split of the human psyche into two: all good and all bad. it is the very definition of ill health, the lack of integration of all parts of the self into a realistic human form. until we all admit our homophobia, our racism, sexism, ageism, we cannot heal it in ourselves or our culture.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 pmWWFSMD….let’s all open a beer, kiss a stripper, and beg the Flying Spaggeti Monster to touch both of these unbelievers with His Noodly Appendage……ARRRRRRRR!!
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 pmLet’s be honest: Dobson is an OLD Queen!! If ever there is a closeted homophobe it is Dobson. He needs to cure his own devil’s–showering with little boy’s. That’s an indication that Dobson would bed with Haggard and the little boy’s in Haggard’s choir. Slim as Dobson and these other fanatic Christian’s, like Felwell too, who exist in the guise of the Christian faith are the epitome of evil and rot that spews from the bowels of the devil himself–fecal matter.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:36 pmWhat a nice, Christian man. Jesus ate with the lepers and this guy can’t even pick up a phone. What a jerk.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:39 pmDobson does not have the time,it may take Huggard years on the religious perverts’ waiting long list before Dobson can see him.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmThey’re going to “restore” Ted Haggard. In the town I live in, they’re restoring an old historic building. Is Ted Haggard a building? Good grief, what nonsense.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:50 pmDobson! What a guy! I bet he never turns his back on a friend. What a dipshit. With friends like him who needs enemies. That hypocritical, holier than thou son-of-a-bitch is a lower life than than any others he denigrates.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:52 pmDobson is a despicable human being, a hypocritical preacher, and a selfish demagogue.
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:53 pmI am not religious, but I believe a man named Jesus existed, and left life lessons. Dobson would be more like the anti-Christ.
(sigh)
Mr. Dobson just doesn’t get it…
What will he do? Beat the devil out of him??
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:56 pmDobson is as weird as they cum, ooppss.
The millions that put credence in this mans
line of Shuck and Jive, must have smoked
themselves stupid.
He obviously is afraid to call Haggard, because
he is afraid all that nellyness might rub off.
I always thought Haggard was lite in the loafers,
November 23rd, 2006 at 2:59 pmand have the same opinion of Sister Dobson.
I sure wouldn’t let my kids attend any of their
Sunday Schools without a bodyguard. These
Fruitcakes make a total mockery of Jesus Christ.
Long ago, Dobson’s FOF co-founder disavowed himself from this organisation and their “anti-homosexual agenda” that has provided them with millions of dollars and an army of supporters who propagate their exclusionary Christian theoconservatism and who promote the views of psychiatrists and psychologists who have been both rebuked and removed from membership in their national or international professional associations.
Reverend Haggard needs to embrace both the spiritual theology of inclusion and the secular science of self-acceptance. Maybe then, the destructive behaviours of
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:02 pmprostitutional sexuality and illicit drugs may be addressed.
like chris rock has said about hiv/aids, “there’s no money in the cure”… as with all things, for “brother” dobson, it’s a matter of economics… he can’t afford to cure “borther teddy”…why, it would just take too darn much of his time from evangalizin’ and raisin’ money for the lord. (yeah, this christrian’s being cynical and angry).
wwjd, indeed! he would embrace “brother teddy”, flaws and all and welcome him with open arms.
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:02 pmRight, Dobson does not have time to help his ‘friend’ right now. He’s too busy bullying elected officials into behaving in a manner that conforms to his ‘values,’ which apparently do not include helping friends.
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:10 pmI had to watch twice just to beleive what I was hearing; what a Fine Christian man. LOL of coarse the Right Wingers are gonna say it’s true “Pastor Dobson is just doing so much work for the Lord that it’s understandable”. Brainwashing is thick to the bone for these people.
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:21 pmThis is also for b43 & Pres. Cheney : Mat 10:36
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmDon’t laugh.
The (cough, cough…ahem) Doctor’s “De-Homofication Course” can’t be rushed.
It takes Dobson a week just to buy all the Playboy’s he’ll need. Then, he has to download the Paris Hilton and Pamela Anderson videos, then take Haggard to a strip club and get him a few hookers…….
You can’t rush science.
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmPraise The Lord and Pass The Loot! A nation of sheep! Dobson always had time to try to butt in to Bush’s weekly meatings with Haggard and now he’s trying to butt out!
November 23rd, 2006 at 3:51 pmDobson may be busy. In fact, he may be many things. But I see no evidence that he is a follower of Jesus.
November 23rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmAnother big win for irony – apparently Ted Haggard has written a book entitledFrom This Day Forward, Making Your Vows Count a Lifetime in which he says:
“Sex between a husband and wife is a singularly divine act. Nothing compares to it in terms of intimacy or significance. Animals mate randomly, and, well, so do some humans, to their own ruin.”
November 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmThe 4-5 year time line seems long to some…but imagine poor Ted has to forget how good it felt to bed James Dobson.
November 23rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmThe first word that came to mind when I read this was, “grotesque.”
The grotesqueness of a so-called friend abandoning someone like a piece of garbage. Of someone actually thinking another person is sick when it’s the [i]denial[/i] of his natural condition that is going to cause him a life of emotional misery. The grotesqueness of someone making millions of dollars and influencing thousands of lives representing a religious philosophy that preaches love and acceptance and forgiveness while living and acting exactly the opposite.
Sad, shameful, grotesque.
November 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmYes, Dobson is loonier than a … loon. That is rather common. But Larry King ,,, and pretty much the entire MSM groveling over him …. even calling him “Christian”? Really vile.
Face it — today’s media just looks at the bottom line. Period. Does it allow liars to spread their lies? Freaks to show off? If it makes $$$, that’s all that counts.
MSM is today’s version of Barnum & Bailey. It is not news.
November 23rd, 2006 at 5:01 pmJA JA JA JA JA JA JA Americans do make me laugh!!! If it wasn´t for the mayhem they create outside their own country (and inside too, come to think about it) they should get all the Grammys for best comedians.
November 23rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmI know you are not all like your self hating evangelist fundamentalists. What a bunch!
And to think my country – Peru – is considered an underdeveloped one.
JA!
So Dobson doesn’t have the time to help a colleague? And this guy calls himself a Christian?
Oh, I get it! He’ll help others only as long as they serve a purpose for James Dobson!!
What a hypocrite!!!!
November 23rd, 2006 at 5:09 pmOh no! I’m nowhere near America, although I have visited in the past and enjoyed its friendly people (I didn’t meet any christian fundamentalists – God was looking out for me).
November 23rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmAnyway, enjoy your Thanksgiving.
All the best!
I thought that medical doctors cured people and the clergy ministered to the wayward. This rhetoric sounds like a ‘jihad’. Hmmmmm
November 23rd, 2006 at 6:23 pmLola, if I were you I would not laugh that much at the Americans…
Particularly when Peru is a pitiful mess itself.
Lemme see…you had a president of certain Asian descent…that bankrupted the country and fled with a few billion.
And now you elected a president that once bankrupted the country and fled with the millions stolen…
Let’s not even get into the one that was in between these two crooks.
Furthermore, Peru is the most racist country I’ve seen south of the border.
The way the native population is treated you’d think the Conquistadors landed yesterday…
If you live in a glass house…
Having said that, I love Peru regardless. There’s no country that is perfect.
November 23rd, 2006 at 6:32 pmAnd America is not beyond criticism. Sure enough mayhem is what we’re leaving on our wake.
But you have to be thoughtful about the way you exercise your criticism.
Or you’ll get what you’re dishing out too.
Xhidarta
Nothing like having a good friend!
November 23rd, 2006 at 6:42 pmWell, what a lot of jolly comments about a sad and pathetic person, well a few persons. But Dobson and Haggard represent the finest the USA can offer, as far as we from ‘the unknown’ parts of the world are concerned.
Your public administrations, as far as can be learned from here, are all believers in this sort of approach to life, aren’t they?
And, because so very few electors in the USA ever bother to vote, we all assume the majority of Americans support this rubbish, don’t they?
We can but hope that when the presidential farce takes off in a couple of years you don’t fill your parliaments with Democrat clones of these clowns, but that you collectively mobilise some mass-intelligence, a sort of 100 monkeys movement, and rid not only your nation, but also the world, of these religio-Christo-fascists.
And then, wouldn’t it be good to put a few on trial for crimes against humanity… perhaps they should be tried in Iraq, it’s such a fine democracy you’ve created there, they’ll all get a fair trial.
November 23rd, 2006 at 6:44 pmDobson added, “I don’t have any time for that Haggard boy. I’ve gotta’ lotta’ snake oil to sell by Christmas. I’ve told him to call my agent, Jesus.”.
November 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 pmThe ‘gay cure’ fraud is a modern day witch burning. It tells you more about those forcing the ‘cure’ on others than it does about the ’sinners’.
This is disgusting that there is not a national outcry and outlawing of this kind of criminal psychological abuse. These fake Christians, who know so little about love, save babies from dying through abortion, only to torture them as adults if they turn out gay.
The perpetrators who use Jesus to rationalize human torture are very sick people.
November 23rd, 2006 at 6:50 pmThe only one who needs a cure is Dobson and that’s for his zealotry. ignorance and plain stupidity. He knows very well there’s no cure for Haggard’s sexual orientation because it’s a natural thing and you just don’t F with Mother NatUre.
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:05 pmI find all the comments posted here very harsh indeed.
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:09 pmAnd well deserved…
Dobson is just another High Priest of Organized Religion as far as I am concerned and a self righteous bastard at that.
He had my faithful ear, up untill he and his partners in crime overdid it with the Clinton mess up.
But conveniently looked the other way when prominent pastors had even worse sexual affairs.
It seemed that the Clinton example corrupted the kids’ minds and public morality but not what the pastors did.
I could never quite grasp that.
I was under the impression that servants of Christ where supposed to have a higher standart of conduct than the rest of the world.
Dunno what Bible they’re reading.
Same goes for praying for the president, like a Jhony-come-lately they discovered that the Bible commands to pray for those in authority the day Bush stole the election.
The last straw was to qualify the kinky Foley messages as a mere “joke”.
I posit that he and the empire he stands on, is the joke.
However I completely agree in dumping Haggard.
He was very bad for bussiness…
I saw this interview. Dobson is a nut! Besides his bigoted, moronic views on gays, he was cheerleading the Iraq War, denying the separation of church and state, and attacking “leftists”. He cares nothing about God.. it’s all about politics and power. He turned my stomach, truly a revolting man.
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:17 pmOK Xidhartha (sorry if I got the spelling wrong – not my first language you see). I guess fundamentalist christians, if American, are not to be criticized. And what you say about Peru, I couldnt agree more. But we dont go round pretending were God’s chosen people or look at everybody else down the side of our noses.
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:42 pmIf you expect one section of your society cannot get criticized because the rest of us arent perfect…
Anyway, as I said before, enjoy your Thnksgiving.
[blinking]
Why do these idiots even get airtime?
Why, Baby Jesus?! WHYYYYY?
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:02 pm#34- Lippp that was funny.
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:11 pmThis guy is a f*&king moron.
Comment by robert
We agree on two things….
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:16 pmZOMG! Dobson FAILS at being the GAY HEALER!
Why wasn’t he carted off the set in a straightjacket (maybe for a few quick electroconvulsive shock therapy sessions…grrr)? Why oh why? What has happened on the road to progress?
Does Dobson approve of ‘curing’ of Alan Turing? Let me guess…
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:16 pmYou are speaking of the extremist fundamentalists. Much of the GOP are simply cloaking themselves in Christianity. The sickness here is an authoritarian disorder.
I do not know what to call the higher power, actions perhaps, maybe it’s just mother nature, pure energy….anyway my daughter from a young age would sit bolt upright, eyes open, and begin speaking in a language I don’t know, then says Amen, and goes right back to sleep. She never remembers what she said the next day. =)
I would say that it sounds like Hiburu..
EnnyHooo yall have a great Thanksgiving!! –Brad
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:24 pmHey Zep,
You’re right. Most christians I know are pretty harmless or clueless. But the fundies, yikes. Clear a path…
How was your spaghetti?
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:39 pmWhile James Dobson’s words aren’t of much comfort to open minds, he certainly holds sway over tons of people. And a powerful segment of this group are the politicians who prey on the closed minded. These politicians, while pretending to believe folks like Dobson, Ted Haggard and the rest of this made-for-television crowd, are simply using them for money and votes. People like John McCain, who will do or say anything for a vote, Trent Lott, George ‘Macaca’ Allen, etc., don’t care a whit for the religious right. But, as long as they can pretend to believe in ‘core/family’ values and parlay it into big PAC money, well, ‘praise the lord!’
November 23rd, 2006 at 9:05 pmIncidentally, while all this plays out, dumb bastards like Haggard, who’s simply a gay man living a lie, gets to find out who his friends truly are.
I believe that most of those who have commented here have simply taken Dr. Dobson’s comments out of context in a nonsensical way. What he said was just that he doesn’t have the time to spend with the committee that would have to meet regularly with Haggard and help him in the restoration process. This isn’t ditching a friend. I’m sure, Haggard has got a lot of other people who could help him in this.
November 23rd, 2006 at 9:55 pmHomosexuality is a sinful disease that should be rooted out and not nurtured. How silly is it that people tend to look at animal behavior in order to justify their uninhibited pursuit towards fulfilling their own lustful tendencies, rather than looking unto God as to what He has to say! Perhaps that’s what many people want – to become like animals!
[...] Hunter, who was scheduled to take over the socially conservative political group Jan. 1, said he had hoped to focus on issues such as poverty and the environment. "These are issues that Jesus would want us to care about," Hunter said… While it’s sad that they can’t let someone like this with good sense lead them out of the woods, it’s probably for the best. They don’t need to be in politics – period. Last noght, James dobson was on Larry King Live discussing Ted Haggard and Dobson’s decision not to be on the "team" that’s going to fix the fallen Pastor Ted: DOBSON: I don’t know. I haven’t talked to him since it happened. KING: Oh you haven’t? DOBSON: I talked to him the day that the news broke and I have not talked to him since then. KING: Was he sad that day? DOBSON: Oh, of course. I mean you can imagine he was shocked, he was numb, he even lied about it. There’s a video of him saying that none of these things are true, but they were true or a least some of them were. KING: When you say, Doctor, when you say “restoration” you mean restore him from being gay to not gay or what do you mean? DOBSON: Yeah, probably that, too. Looks like they’re going to ride this horse right off the cliff to me… [...]
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:16 pmAnd this is the guy who Bush called to get an “opinion” ..either yea or nay on who he nominated for Supreme Court Justice.
Alito personally called this guy to thank him . .
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:18 pmBut you have to be thoughtful about the way you exercise your criticism.
Or you’ll get what you’re dishing out too.
Comment by xhidarta
You are right: Fujimori and Montesinos are enjoying the corrupted paradise that is Latin America. The thing is that everytime the latin american people rises up to elect a government which promotes, in some measure, a strong social program, investments in science, technology and education, betterment of the national industry, etc: somehow the Marines show up or a coup is produced.
There is an old latinamerican joke:
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:30 pmQ: Why there arent military coups in US?
Answer: Because in the US there arent US embassies. Ha!
Who is going to cure Dobson of wanting to screw little boys?
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 pmLike #59 said; Their Brainwashed to the Bone. Read #92
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:09 pmWow people still think being gay is a personal choice ?? Well Let me think when did I chose to be straight ?? Uh you know what I always just was straight. maybe a gay person was always just gay? and you know if you like gay sex and drugs dont be a pastor and especially not a hypocrite okay.. And Dobson I think Jesus would have the time to help his friend I think MAybe..
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 pmHello Zoo.
Ended up having some spiral cut ham as I didn’t feel like cooking and the kiddo came by and we had a simple dinner, but good.
How was your Thanksgiving Zoo?
Fundamentalists see man as basically evil. Force is the solution to a problem. If you can’t beat it into shape then kill it. This of course is hypocrisy from the get go. I mean how can you be divine when you have to hate and destroy to rule?
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:17 pm
Huggard probably was counselling for hundreds ,if not thousands of people whom he fooled for years…It is now time for him to look in the mirror. He does not need Dobson…he knew what he was doing..he is not a child or a young teenager…he is himself to blame…I am tired of people who act as the saviors and the cornerstones of virtue and faith,while contradicting everything they preach,evey word they say and collect money from the needy in the name of God. Let’s stop crying for these people; the people we need to cry for are the victims of such hollow men like Huggard and many others like him that needed to be exposed.
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:31 pmTo get an Idea of the reconstrucionist mindset…
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:52 pmAll in the name of Christianity?
Poor Jesus was nailed when he tried to preach love and understanding to barbarians and now his superstardom is used to manipulate the people for the sake of power and his spiritual teachings of love (not as written by John or Matthew) are thoroughly raped. God bless his soul.
Dobson and Haggart and the right-wingers are so messed up and it’s all to sad that they drag people into their gutters instead of otherwise.
But the question does lie, don’t people think? I mean is there any reason these despicable leaders should have any followers at all?
November 24th, 2006 at 12:13 amThe Treaty of Tripoli
You guys may want to do THE GoOgLe on this seldom heard of treaty.
November 24th, 2006 at 12:18 am#100 & #102 – Zep,
Sounds like you had a great day. Funny, because my son was saying all day that he just wanted some ham — never did get it, poor thing.
Thanks for the info on the christians. That’s some creepy stuff.
November 24th, 2006 at 12:21 am“Christianity is a diease of the mind where the brain stops filtering statements for logic, and forms bias against life-affirming qualities.”
Comment by Darren Mitton — November 23, 2006 @ 1:07 pm
I appreciate your statement. Religion is psychosis, an illness of the mind that supports a demented, or distorted reality. Just because this disorder is accepted and promoted socially or culturally is not an excuse to let it prosper and continue to drag the species down a path of destruction.
I don’t have any ideas or suggestions to prevent the propogation of this illness. I realize that religions were necessary as part of our social development towards science, but that it still permeates even the most technologically advanced societies confounds me to no end.
How should one respond to another that’s convinced he or she is ‘evil’ or sent by their anti-deity and must be destroyed, according to whatever ‘their’ customs and beliefs may be? Utter nonsense. If the world isn’t operating under the same basic understanding of reality, with the regard that customs and traditions, such as religions, are superficial qualities of the human condition, and not carte blanche to impose one’s will upon another, then what hope is there for any of us…?
Hmmm. Oh well. Good luck everyone.
November 24th, 2006 at 12:28 amI find it interesting that curing Haggard will take 4 or 5 years. Any other poor slob in the congregation or in the New Life leadership without the celebrity, power or close connections to the fundie establishment would have been fired and ostracized. He would have become a non-person but Tweaker Ted is different. Oh yeah, can’t give the social cement shoes and a push off the boat to him.
So instead they will fight the good fight…for five years if that is how long it takes. I suspect that is how long the fundie establishment figures it will take for Tweaker Ted to fade into obscurity. He may end up in rehab for drugs, he may end up divorced but he will eventually fade away. In five years after the dust has settled Dobson can declare that Tweaker Ted just could not be saved and it won’t matter because the church will go on, it is after all a religious corporation. The people will fondly remember Tweaker Ted and occasionally pray for him, when they remember. Someone new will come along with a con artist smile and charisma and help to wash away the ugly past.
Probably the biggest worry Dobson has now is that Haggard gets past his denial and dumps his wife, finds himself a loving partner and takes up the cause against the bigotry spewing from the fundie right. Keeping Tweaker Ted tied up for five years will help in that regard too.
November 24th, 2006 at 12:39 amAnd to think that these demigods get to spew their perverted garbage while raking in tax free millions. Somehow it just doesn’t seem right. Pied Pipers for the incurably stupid.
November 24th, 2006 at 12:42 amAfter Ted leaves rehabilitation in 4 to 5 years, he will have a relapse of his gayety and the whole world will know that those interventionists are nothing but witchdoctors.
November 24th, 2006 at 12:48 amDobson is low life right wing trash. anything he says is bull crap!
November 24th, 2006 at 1:39 am[...] On CNN last night, Larry King asked Focus on the Family’s James Dobson about his close friend, pastor Ted Haggard. Would Dobson take part in the “restoration panel” — the group of Christian ministers whose job it is to take Haggard “from being gay to not gay.†[...]
November 24th, 2006 at 1:42 am[...] James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family, tells Larry King that he just doesn’t have the time to help “restore [Ted Haggard] from being gay to not gay.†[...]
November 24th, 2006 at 3:29 amanyone have any clue about how exactly they assess how long it will take to cure someone of “the gay”?
rectal thermometer?
someone ask “the google”…
November 24th, 2006 at 3:29 amChrist would forgive Haggard, so should we. Evolution takes time – those who are hard-line Christians will have to take longer time than the rest of us; they don’t believe in evolution so it will take them a little bit longer to learn tolerance and love. The hardliners here in my country (Iceland) have tried this “gay restoration”, but the majority of people here have rejected this way of the evangelists and believe that God hasn’t made a mistake my creating gay people (like me), only that He loves each and every one as is.
But fundamentalists think they can restore God’s mistakes; I think that’s the biggest mistake of all. I don’t think God needs their assistance, they do more harm than good for the community. But should be forgiven anyway, if you believe in Christ, for they don’t know what they do.
November 24th, 2006 at 3:47 amJames Dobson is the devil, and he’s not going to hell, he runs hell. Anyone who follows anything he says is damned. You might as well tattoo “666″ on your forehead if you pretend to be a conservative Christian. That is an oxymoron.
1) I said, ” it will be easier for a camel to pass through the head of a needle than for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven.
2) I also said, “judge not, lest ye shall be judged.”
3) I think I also said, “rightesnous is mine, saith the lord”
Earth’s Christians are so stupid, I think I’ll focus my attention on andromeda 629 in the cornelius galaxy. Those people seem guided by logic and literal meanings of words, not huxter salesmen.
p.s. I never condemned gays. Or abortion. those are dead giveaways of false prophets. Like, a-duh!
November 24th, 2006 at 3:49 amJames Dobson is the devil, and he’s not going to hell, he runs hell. Anyone who follows anything he says is damned. You might as well tattoo “666″ on your forehead if you pretend to be a conservative Christian. That is an oxymoron.
1) I said, ” it will be easier for a camel to pass through the head of a needle than for a rich man to enter the gates of heaven.
2) I also said, “judge not, lest ye shall be judged.”
3) I think I also said, “rightesnous is mine, saith the lord”
Earth’s Christians are so stupid, I think I’ll focus my attention on andromeda 629 in the cornelius galaxy. Those people seem guided by logic and literal meanings of words, not huxter salesmen.
p.s. I never condemned gays. Or abortion. those are dead giveaways of false prophets. Like, a-duh!
November 24th, 2006 at 3:49 amWes/Dobson says, more or less, that homosexuality is a sin brought on by a particular upbringing. As far as I’m concerned, it is far more likely that fundamentalist Christianity is environmentally-created than homosexuality.
My first witness: Dobson’s oh-so-loving childhood…
November 24th, 2006 at 3:57 am[...] [Update]: James Dobson wants to “cure” Ted Haggard of being gay. Sigh, where to begin…Time has named him one of the 25 most influential evangelicals [back] [...]
November 24th, 2006 at 3:58 am117, 118
Did you ever read Leviticus? Dobson probably doesn’t condemn homosexuality because of you, you wimpy bleeding-heart liberal!
Then again, based on the aftermath of the story of Sodom, when the ‘riteous man’ Lot slept with his two daughters, he is quite happy with incest. So look closer to home for your objects of affection.
November 24th, 2006 at 4:00 amWhats 4 or 5 years when Christian flock has been waiting for 2000
November 24th, 2006 at 4:02 amyears for the “imminent ” return of JC with his “kingdom” . JC who never
kept his promise of returning before some of them who were standing
before them tasted death is bigger ” lier and deceiver” like Ted
Haggard and Dobson….. Separation of Church and State may not be
apparent.. but separation Christianity and Wisdom is….
Is there not at least one Christian who could conclusively answer as to why Jesus has not kept his promise till date? Why has he not returned yet? Or is it 2000 Aeons in stead of Years as in human understanding? Or does one really have to read between the lines of the Gospel and try not to understand?
November 24th, 2006 at 5:17 amWell, as a gay guy who grew up in the Islamic Republic of Iran in the days when they ROUTINELY hanged and murdered gays (as opposed to now, where the hanging are only sporadic), I can only say one thing: the threat of torture and hangings and eternal damnation in the next, and actual ostracisation and physical intimidation in this world, were not enough to beat the impulse out of me. So I am not sure what they intend to do with Haggard. But then, to spend four years under the ministration of a windbag like Dobson … he might convert just to end the mental abuse. Sometimes burning at the stake (re 37) is simply the merciful way out …
And whatever happened to Jesus’ ministering the lepers? I always thought – silly non-Christian that I am – that Christ was all about leaving Caesar’s work to Caesar and instead taking care of the poor, the outcasts, the meek … Dobson seems to want to be Caesar and in the process he’s turning gays into lepers and trampling all over them. As Cliff Claven would say, what’s up with that?
November 24th, 2006 at 5:44 amThere is a parable in the scriptures about a man in need who had been robbed and beaten and left by the side of the road half dead. Dobson’s response to Haggard is like the priest in the parable who saw the man in need but passed on the other side of the road to avoid him. Then there was a Samaritan who saw the man in need and bound his wounds and took him to a place to recover and saw to it that the man in need was taken care of. The parable asks, “Who was a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?” A: The Samaritan. “Go and do likewise.” I hope people do not do likewise as Dobson has done toward Haggard.
I don’t think Dobson is willing to sacrifice for someone he claims is his friend. I don’t think Dobson is really Haggard’s friend, perhaps Dobson’s previous claim of friendship was out of convenience and expectation because of their similar standing. Dobson and God know Dobson’s heart, and I hope Dobson is able to grasp that people do not abandon their friends, especially in time of greatest need. Dobson claims he’s too busy and doesn’t have the time help his friend. I’d like to believe that Dobson’s friends would not treat Dobson that way, and I believe Dobson has not been treated that way by the God in which he claims to believe. Dobson’s contradictions leave many disturbing questions.
Hopefully, Dobson will let the Samaritan and the priest characters speak to him, and take the parable to heart.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:57 amThere is a parable in the scriptures about a man in need who had been robbed and beaten and left by the side of the road half dead. Dobson’s response to Haggard is like the priest in the parable who saw the man in need but passed on the other side of the road to avoid him. Then there was a Samaritan who saw the man in need and bound his wounds and took him to a place to recover and saw to it that the man in need was taken care of. The parable asks, “Who was a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?” A: The Samaritan. “Go and do likewise.” I hope people do not do likewise as Dobson has done toward Haggard.
I don’t think Dobson is willing to sacrifice for someone he claims is his friend. I don’t think Dobson is really Haggard’s friend, perhaps Dobson’s previous claim of friendship was out of convenience and expectation because of their similar standing. Dobson and God know Dobson’s heart, and I hope Dobson is able to grasp that people do not abandon their friends, especially in time of greatest need. Dobson claims he’s too busy and doesn’t have the time help his friend. I’d like to believe that Dobson’s friends would not treat Dobson that way, and I believe Dobson has not been treated that way by the God in which he claims to believe. Dobson’s contradictions leave many disturbing questions.
Hopefully, Dobson will take the Samaritan and the priest characters speak to him, and take the parable to heart.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:58 am“mobilise some mass-intelligence, a sort of 100 monkeys movement, and rid not only your nation, but also the world, of these religio-Christo-fascists”
Oh, the irony.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:05 amSam,
It’s really worse than you say. The Samaritan helped a stranger. The parable teaches that the answer to the question “Who is my neighbor?” is “the next person I meet in need”.
Dobson has decided to walk on the “other side of the road”. My guess is that like the high priest in the parable he is afraid that contact with Haggard will defile him, although in Dobson’s case I believe he is thinking of this in a political context.
So if Dobson fancies himself a model Christian, he needs to spend some serious time praying and talking with his pastor and taking a hard look at himself in the mirror.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:30 amWas said about Atheists, but I think it pretty much applies to any group of people judged negatively by the “Moral” Majority…
“I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do.”
– Source unknown
November 24th, 2006 at 9:04 amIs there not at least one Christian who could conclusively answer as to why Jesus has not kept his promise till date? Why has he not returned yet?
Comment by Subbu — November 24, 2006 @ 5:17 am
Don’t feel bad – I can’t get them to explain the intelligent design in the human appendix, male nipples or any of the other engineering flaws with our bodies.
Guess that’s why religion requires faith… Because there is no proof.
November 24th, 2006 at 9:08 amre: 121
you should read all of leviticus before you start using it to condemn gays. do you eat pork? do you eat shellfish? abominations, punishable by death. case closed.
you should also re-read the story of sodom. their sin was GREED, not homosexuality… a mortal sin that it seems that “dr” dobson is also guilty of.
WWJD? he would welcome ted with open, loving arms.
November 24th, 2006 at 10:12 amI think people are taking this out of context. I believe Dobson was saying he didn’t have time to do the panel, and King was the one supplying the whole ‘gay to not gay’ statement while Dobson gave a very noncommittal response.
Maybe Dobson doesn’t want to help Haggard. Maybe Dobson is repulsed by homosexuality. Or maybe a ‘panel’ is stupid way to help a friend. Who knows. All I do know is there too much conjecture here and too little insight on what Dobson is thinking.
I’m not saying I actually care about Dobson, who he is or what he thinks, I’m merely stating that I’m fairly annoyed by the typical explosion of emotion and word twisting by the common public. I’d like to think we’ve evolved past pitchforks and torches, but maybe that’s hoping too much.
November 24th, 2006 at 10:23 amMy sister-in-law was visiting for Thanksgiving and we discussed the quack’s comments, and she found him credible and convincing. I can only assume that she, like millions of others, find this world too complicated to try to understand and turn to the bible and those who pretend to interpret it for guidance. Like it or not, Dobson, who said on the show that he has read 10,000 studies that prove children are best raised by a mother and a father, and others who use the bible to perpetuate their righteous bigotry, influence a huge population, and someone smarter than me needs figure out how to commandeer that power from them. Arianna?
November 24th, 2006 at 10:32 amDobson is worse than an idiot; he’s a false prophet. As the Good Book says, “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, for inside, they are ravening wolves.”
November 24th, 2006 at 10:41 amKING: Have you spoken to him?
REV. ME: I HAve spoken with him . . .
KING: How’s he doing?
REV ME: I don’t know, I haven’t talked to him . . .
What the Hell kind of Christianity does he and all of those other dangerous, self-serving, bald-faced liars subscribe to? Whatever it is, it’s not the one that I understood as an adolescent catacism student.
AND THEY’RE OFF!- The fourth horseman has left the gate.
November 24th, 2006 at 10:56 am131,
Speaking as a gay person myself, i was using leviticus ironically. As you point out, Leviticus is completely irrelevant to the modern world, the whole shellfish thing, the not putting two cows of the same colour in a field together…
And regarding Sodom, i once read the comment that saying that sodom was about homosexuality was as true as saying jonah was a treatise on deep sea fishing.
I always thought that jesus railed against the traditional teachings as cruel and unjust- take the story of the woman accused of adultery. So although I don’t think he will welcome Haggert with open arms, it won’t have anything with Haggert’s sexuality.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:14 amI’m merely stating that I’m fairly annoyed by the typical explosion of emotion and word twisting by the common public. I’d like to think we’ve evolved past pitchforks and torches, but maybe that’s hoping too much.
Comment by Monthi — November 24, 2006 @ 10:23 am
We’re not the common public. And, critically thinking via logical deductions how human beings solve issues. You prefer what? Ignoring such people? That’s what got us into trouble to begin with. Which I find even more annoying than speculation – I find it dangerous.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:15 amWell, after reading these posts I can see that not only do the fundamentalist reconstructionists [a minority] paint with a broad brush so do many here.
I am a christian but know that America was always meant to be secular.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:15 am
Describe this mysterious ‘process’ of restoration to me.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:16 amKarim:
With regard to your comment (# 134) regarding Dobson:
AND ALL GOD’S CHILDREN CHILDREN SAID. AMEN!
November 24th, 2006 at 11:33 amI hate to admit it, but I can’t wait for Ted Haggard to start his “therapy”– the same therapy he has touted for years.
So Dobson’s an authority on human sexuality. Is there anything he isn’t an expert on?
November 24th, 2006 at 11:43 amhow does dobson explain that Haggard was a wonderful minister and influenced so many people and gay?
November 24th, 2006 at 12:18 pmThat is the problem.
He was effective but defective(according to them).
Ted Haggard’s “restoration” will end with the usual “Lord, I haved sinned ” speech complete with tears and quivering voice. Unfortuantely, he will probably fool many people into following him again. Dobson will just continue on with his goal of using his followers to advance the right-wing republican agenda. The only good news here is that both of these terrible men have been exposed for what they truly are. How is it possible that people will continue to follow these hypocrites?
November 24th, 2006 at 12:19 pmIt seems that many of those who have commented are just as bigoted as Dobson. However, their bigotry is concerned with religion not with sexual orientation. Good old liberal democrats are just as guilty of bias and bigotry as the good old conservative republicans.
November 24th, 2006 at 12:39 pmIs there anything he isn’t an expert on?
Comment by David from Toronto
Self-awareness?
November 24th, 2006 at 1:13 pmNot so much “religion”, jason, but the rank hypocracy displayed by Dobson, Haggard, Robertson and the rest. This is emphatically NOT “religion’, by any sane definition of the term. (Not to imply that anything ‘religious’ can be considered sane.)
November 24th, 2006 at 1:50 pmJason,
Who could resist the urge to hurl abuse at Dobson irrespective of political stripe?
Surely as a right winger you think him a liability and a disgrace? He drags the name of conservatism through the dirt. As a european, internationally seems like Dobson, Robertson and Limbaugh are the figures most foreigners associate with the U.S.
Now obviously they aren’t representative of American politics as a whole, but doesn’t the American right, as much as the American left, have a duty to reject them?
November 24th, 2006 at 1:50 pmIsn’t it a good thing when hateful people are changed and become compassionate, loving people? Is that not possible?
How about a person with an urge to to molest children learning to control his/her sexuality and not use the defenseless? Is that not possible?
How about a man or woman experiencing the shame, hopelessness and loneliness of the gay lifestyle and changing? Not only is it possible, it happens every day. Freedom – now that’s real progress.
November 24th, 2006 at 2:44 pm149,
A paedophilic relationship is always based upon inequality- one is in a position of maturity, one not.
In the case of homosexuality it is different. Homosexuals do not use the defenseless, any more than heterosexuals do. If they do, it constitutes rape.
Furthermore, the ’shame, hopelessness and loneliness’ of the ‘gay lifestyle’ isn’t caused by the ‘gay lifestyle’. It is caused by all sorts of pressures that in different ways act upon somebody. Being gay isn’t inherently a cause for shame.
Freedom is the freedom to be who you are, and that doesn’t mean heterosexual. I have not met a single gay person that doesn’t wish they had been born heterosexual. It is coming to terms with who you are that matters.
November 24th, 2006 at 2:58 pmSo after his gayness is cured, Foley will just be a healthy, normal, hetero pedophile?
November 24th, 2006 at 3:01 pm“Lifestyle” is how you spend your money; I have a life. I am a compassionate, loving person, living a life without shame, hopelessness, or lonliness, now that I have changed from a self-loathing closet-case who tried to pass as straight for too many of my early years, into someone who can accept who I am: free of guilt and shame, able to honestly love those who are capable of loving me in return. That is a beautiful, spiritual thing. Keep your little, stingy, unloving and unlovable god out of my life, especially out of my sex-life! I yam what I yam! That ain’t changin’!
November 24th, 2006 at 3:07 pmRidiculous. Would Christians please start worrying about there own behaviors and less about everyone elses. When in doubt about what you should be focused on, why not follow Christ as an example. I’m not sure, but did he devote any of his teachings to ‘curing homosexuals’?
November 24th, 2006 at 3:19 pmI am not as some have assumed a conservative by any means. I too find Dobson’s language and thinking abhorrant. I just find it interesting that those of us who consider ourselves liberal or champions of free speech can come down so hard on someone who is expressing something that they too feel strongly about.
November 24th, 2006 at 3:20 pm“sexual rehab” didn’t work for baby “lips” Bush, It won’t work for Haggard either.
“Brainwashed to the bone”…truer words have never been spoken (written)
November 24th, 2006 at 3:42 pmPaul – as far as worrying about others behaviors, why are you worried about Haggard finding some freedom from what he believes is sin? Ask yourself why that threatens you. As far as Jesus curing homosexuals: “go and sin no more”.
Butch – I’m not trying to change the way you live your life. God completely and totally loves you for who you are, just as God completely and totally loves me regardless of the sin in my life. However, God loves me too much for me to live a way I was not created to live. He will lovingly teach me a different way than what comes natural to me to keep me from hurting myself and others. Boundaries are not bad when they’re given by someone who knows more than we do and loves us completely.
Prince Myshkin – Freedom is having the power over the urges we have that hurt ourselves and others. Those bad desires no longer control us. The bad desire to hate or slander a person, be selfish.
November 24th, 2006 at 3:56 pmFreedom is the ability to control yourself? How does is homosexuality an urge that hurts ourselves and others? What would God make of me- I’m a celibate homosexual, married with a baby. Would he condemn me to hell for what is only my natural orientation rather than a particular behaviour?
November 24th, 2006 at 5:09 pmI think one of the larger questions about homosexuality is, why do so many cultures object to it or classify it as abhorent behavior?
Over 450 species of animals have been observed and recorded as engaging in homosexual behavior, and having homosexual orientation, including all of the primates. Humans are primates; humans are from nature; ergo, homosexuality in humans is natural. It’s that simple.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:42 pmIt is certain that the Gayfever afflicting Theodore the Heathen was undoubtedly brought on by his wife not attending to her conjugal duties regularly. This tainted behaviour of course has put her in the list of those whom shall be left behind, and when she crosses over she shall find a special place in the very own furnace of the Satan, whom along with the attendant devils poking little forks up her nether regions, shall keep her company for eternity.
However, seeing as father Dobson, does not have the time, may I take this opportunity to volunteer my ministries’ special program for curing the Gayfever. My ministries’ creation scientist laboratories have invented the cure, and it will work in no more than couple of weeks.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:04 pmOkay, so here’s Dobson, the leader of America’s anti-gay lobby, telling us
he’s not going to bother working to “cure” Haggard cuz it’ll take too long.
This from the “movement” whose only rational argument for discrimination
rests entirely on the (wrong) assumption that homosexuality is a behavior of
choice — and demonstrably curable.
You’d think Dobson et al would embrace the opportunity to deploy the latest
in Exodus-style conversion therapy, especially on Haggard, one of their own
most glaring and needy cases. Imagine the PR value! If the almighty priests
of family values can “restore” Haggard, they can restore anyone, guaranteed!
But I guess it’s not that important, or maybe it’s a game Focus on the
November 24th, 2006 at 8:38 pmFamily knows it can’t win.
Dobson originally said that he would help his close friend, but that he just doesn’t have the time. What are we to make of this? Did he just change his mind? Is he a liar? How does he reneg on his commitment to his close friend so easily? Is he as open to others going back on their word or changing their mind? Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay. There is one worse thing than failure to practice what we preach, and that is to water down our profession to match our practice.
It is troubling to me that he has so many followers. I don’t think he speaks to the light and spiritual in others. I think he speaks to the darkness of judgement and a delusory sense of superiority. I pity Haggard, but at least he is now less likely to be self righteous and more likely to know the grace of forgiveness and the richness of forgiveness and humility. I find Dobson repulsive because of his contradictions – he is so proud that he cannot be bothered with Haggard his close friend. Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for a friend. Dobson is unable to love his friend, he is too busy(?). May God have mercy on Dobson, he needs much more help than Haggard. If anyone is a friend of Dobson, please take the time to help him. It could take a long time.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:50 pmI do not know what to call the higher power, actions perhaps, maybe it’s just mother nature, pure energy….anyway my daughter from a young age would sit bolt upright, eyes open, and begin speaking in a language I don’t know, then says Amen, and goes right back to sleep. She never remembers what she said the next day. =)
I would say that it sounds like Hiburu..
EnnyHooo yall have a great Thanksgiving!! –Brad
Brad, your daughter’s WEIRD. Get her some help NOW!!!!!
November 24th, 2006 at 9:08 pmIt is interesting that the Dobson “Focus on the Family” organization, in October, upheld Ann Coulter as bastion of American faith and values but now, their website and various web caches seem to be scoured of her presence. (Try Googling “Ann Coulter” +”Focus on the Family” and find the links to missing pages, yourself). Dobson seems to be incredibly unstable and irrational in his convictions and his pathetic pseudo-support of Ted Haggard is no less indicative of that.
Nonetheless, the “It could take four or five years” comment is one of the more inane (among many) comments I’ve heard this fellow utter over the years.
I do hope the Ted Haggard “scandal,” for lack of a better term, illustrates the fact that gayness is a fact of life and not the by-product of bad parenting or decision-making. If Ted is, indeed, gay, he is no less gay if he abstains from having sex with another man, but the horror he will endure trying to eradicate his true nature under the guise that it is hated of God will be just one more step back into the closet for him.
It amazes me, too, that those who hawk the Holiness Code the loudest seem to not be as zealous about “reforming” people who wear mixed-fiber clothing or who mix meat and milk. The neo-cons who are obsessed with gay sexuality seem to forget that they cannot be selective in grabbing Biblical hand-grenades and only blasting the people they don’t understand or disagree with. It is funny that a church (and I only use church in the sense of right-wing fundamentalists, here) that is obsessed with eradicating gayness from their ranks does not, with equal passion and fervor, spend as much time rounding up divorced and remarried Christians who inundate their ranks. According to Paul, they’re committing adultery if their first spouse is still alive–but I don’t see Dobson and his ilk trying to undo these relationships and reprogram those individuals and couples. No–that would really hit them where they live. . .it’d probably wipe out 50% of the Christian recording industry!
November 24th, 2006 at 9:16 pmYeah, Dobson would screw the evil out of him.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:11 pmHe is just a bit of a poof.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:12 pmBrad, your daughter’s WEIRD. Get her some help NOW!!!!!
Comment by notimpressedwiththeUS
That’s uncalled for, and completely rude.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:45 pmJust have him look at Denny Hastert naked….
November 25th, 2006 at 12:29 amJust have him look at Denny Hastert naked….
Comment by FortRuth
Oy, harsh…
November 25th, 2006 at 12:50 am[...] Think Progress » Dobson: I Want To Cure Ted Haggard of Being Gay But Don’t Have Time, It Could Take Four or Five Years. [...]
November 25th, 2006 at 3:00 amOnce upon a time there was a movie called Clockwork Orange. I recommend Dobson be the guinea pig for a gay exorcism. After than, I recommend it be applied to the Ted.
November 25th, 2006 at 7:30 amDr. Dobson once devoted an entire hour of his broadcast to denouncing Dr. Eli Chesen. Dr. Chesen wrote a book entitled, “Religion Can Be Hazardous To Your Health”. I’m very proud to call Dr. Chesen my friend.
November 25th, 2006 at 8:06 amthis can only mean one thing–
November 25th, 2006 at 8:43 amDobson is and has been (from afar) secretly gay for his friend Haggard, and now that Haggard is OUT, Dobson responds as classic homophobes do.
The question is–when will the sheep that follow these people wake up?
It’s so frustrating to see otherwise ordinary folks buy into the filth and hate that the evangelicals spew and ignore the real teachings of the deity they claim to be all about….?
This is truly God intervening to display the hypocrisy of the gay bashing. This was one of the many elements of the perfect storm that brought down the right-wingers last election. Wake up and smell what you’re shoveling.
November 25th, 2006 at 11:48 amRE: Comment by Wes — November 23, 2006 @ 9:55 pm
I believe that most of those who have commented here have simply taken Dr. Dobson’s comments out of context in a nonsensical way. What he said was just that he doesn’t have the time to spend with the committee that would have to meet regularly with Haggard and help him in the restoration process. This isn’t ditching a friend. I’m sure, Haggard has got a lot of other people who could help him in this.
You do realize you are defending a man who showers with young boys and beats his 12 lbs dog right?
Homosexuality is a sinful disease that should be rooted out and not nurtured.
Why? Because it makes you uncomfortable? Or more accurately, it made one of your preachers or pastors uncomfortable and they told you it was wrong and you would never question someone who presumptively claims to speak for God.
How silly is it that people tend to look at animal behavior in order to justify their uninhibited pursuit towards fulfilling their own lustful tendencies, rather than looking unto God as to what He has to say!
Hmmm… let’s see what is sillier.
(A) Looking to science and nature and the world around us for clues and facts to show us what life is about, who we are and why we came to be.
OR
(B) Looking to myths and fairy tales, corrupted by people with a desire for greed, power and control over the masses, blindly following these legends and myths because you are too narrow-minded or afraid to search for real truth and instead find satisfaction in being told by someone else what is right, what is wrong, how to act, think and live.
A logical person would find that question to be a no brainer. But religion cannot exist in the face of logic.
Perhaps that’s what many people want – to become like animals!
One word: Mammals.
November 25th, 2006 at 3:10 pmYour comments about Mr. Dobson are cruel and unfounded. As a Christian, I know that Mr. Dobson is not able to cure Mr. Haggard, but Jesus, in His mercy and goodness is able to cure anyone from anything. Mr. Dobson knows this, and you would do well to keep silent when it comes to matters you don’t understand. It is spiritual healing that Mr. Haggard must undertake; not physical. He will recover; anyone can recover from his condition by the mercies of God.
November 25th, 2006 at 11:48 pmDr. Dobson, thank God Jesus had time for all people of all walks of life. How can you go public and call the Rev Haggard a friend then say your to busy to have time for a fellow Christian. Maybe spending less time in Washington and more time in Christian fellowship would do you some good as well.
To state you do not know how he is doing and that you have not talked to him shows your true colors. He is hurting, his family is hurting yet its all about you. Not a very nice walk and I believe Jesus would be disappointed.
Rev Ted, as a member oft he GLTB community and a Christian I would be happy to help you in any way. Restoration for not tell the truth is rough but living as someone your not is harder. At your service if you want true help as opposed to condemnation.
Your brother in Christ ~dean
November 26th, 2006 at 8:45 amI will not be among those who judge Dobson’s description that he is too busy. I did not read that he said “I’m too busy to be a friend,” or “I’m too busy to care.” I read he was to busy to do a certain thing.
About Haggard, I won’t judge him either. You see, I have this log in my eye making it difficult to see the specks in his. For starters, Bible thumpers like myself believe we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Non Bible thumpers have a different idea on the matter, but, as a point of tolerance, as a one person following a faith-based lifestyle choice, such is where I am coming from. Like any public scandal, whether it is Bill Clinton, Ted Haggard or someone else, rarely are all the facts presented in an biased way. I don’t know Haggqard, Jones, Dobson, or any of the people involved. I am not privy to what happened, and, goodness sakes, I intend to keep out of all of their bedrooms.
Sure, as a Christian leader, Haggard has flopped all credibility, but, beyond that, his personal life, who will or will not help him in his marriage is none of my business.
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November 26th, 2006 at 12:34 pmLet me do something that most of you are going to hate, and that is quote some scripture (Oh my gosh! quoting scripture! should we as modern people put up with such an afront with all our superiority over all other people of past ages? Should we put up with such ignorant people that have faith, that believe that there is more to life then just the physical? Don’t they know that science has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that everyting is simply a big accident, and there is no such thing as right and wrong, it is all relative, and reason and logic really do not exist but is simply biochemical activity within our brains, and that the internal life of the mind and sould are not real but simply an illusion! Oh my God! Do away with such ignorance it is an anathema! They are not enlightened to the glorious reality of meaninglessness, and purposeless of modern man).
Ok enough rambling on about the superior enlightement of modern man (woe is me an ignorant stupid child, with no powers of reasoning, who is believing in a lie that life has meaning and purpose, and that my actions, good or bad, are to be held accountable). Now the scripture:
“1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
These are the written words of Paul the apostle, who was claimed to have been the most important man in the world in his time, and was beheaded by Nero for fear of the changes that were occuring in the Roman Empire due to him and his fellow apostles. Note that he states “And that is what some of you were”. It’s funny how the parrallels of this passage so closely relate to this situation. Well homosexuality, pedophila, sexual immorality, hedonism, materialims, etc. etc. had there time in the past and are running rampant again. They always ended in the defeat and crumbling of the societies that encouraged them.
Yes, we (Christians) will be hated, derided, ridiculed, and eventually be killed for our faith but again, it is nothing that has not already happened and will happen again.
So modern man there is nothing modern about you and so much for your “enlightenment”, for you are no different then past secular societies that always end up crumbling, but then again Christianity has been around for 2000 years, and Judism for about 4000. We’ll see how long modernism lasts.
November 26th, 2006 at 4:22 pmi’m scanning these comments and must admit I’ve scarcely witnessed this volume of poison directed at 2 people in an unusually personal way — it’s seems as if most everyone here knows “everything” about Dobson, Haggard and all other Christians; their beliefs, motives , intentions, prejudices, thoughts !! Incredible.
November 26th, 2006 at 5:09 pmTalk about judgemental. Yikes.
to #180
I am quoting some “scripture” Genesis 3:14 ” And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
November 26th, 2006 at 11:56 pmIs this not enough to prove your Bible is bullshit…..
[...] The issue is gaining traction at a time when ex-gay or reparative therapy — something that has been condemned by virtually all major mental health organizations — is back in the news. Last Wednesday, James Dobson appeared on Larry King Live to discuss, among other things, the Haggard scandal. ThinkProgress.org has the transcript: DOBSON: I talked to him the day that the news broke and I have not talked to him since then. [...]
November 27th, 2006 at 10:01 amDo you think they will send Haggard to the “Jimmy Swaggart Help Center” to get cured for his “illness”? I haven’t seen anyone so clueless since, well, I don’t think I have ever seen anyone so clueless AND filled with so much apathy and hate.
November 27th, 2006 at 6:38 pmI am concerned about Dr. Dobson’s public dropping of Ted Haggard, but it is, more than likely, a media ploy to keep the heat off the Church while they work to reinstate Mr. Haggard. Secondly, the only thing worse than a homophobe is a homo-homophobe; one that is afraid of peeple that are afraid of them. Pitiful little gay people! My position in life doesn’t depend upon anyones approval. Why should gays be concerned by the approval of others? Just live your life! Fight evil, not people!
November 27th, 2006 at 6:47 pmRe: #176
Bravo (!) “Logic and Reason”; well said.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:35 pmRE: Comment #179 – Logic and Reason
Well, perhaps, someone may not perceive the sinfulness of homosexuality because they find pleasure and comfort in it.
Let me narrow down the term “religion” to Christianity for the sake of my argument because Christianity is what I can and will speak for. Well, my friend, speaking about religion and logic, tell me, does it seem
logical for you to engage in polemics without making any attempt to substantiate any of your statements which you have so passionately stated?? You have implied that Christianity is just all about corrupt people who use it as a tool for fulfilling their desire for “greed, power, and control over the masses”. There have been some who have tried to use Christianity for their own gain. However, does it seem logical to judge a system by the misuse/abuse of the system?? I believe that every system of values and ideas must be objectively assessed by what it stands for and what it means, not by its mischaracterization caused by a few who have deviated from the principles of the system. I’d suggest you (if you have time and if you’d like to) to listen to some of the audio clips at http://rzim.org/radio/archives.php?p=JT
You also seem to have suggested that the Bible is a collection of myths and fairy tales. He who would not want to believe that Jesus was actually born might as well not believe that the sun radiates light on the Earth. It is a historical fact that the Biblical patriarchs roamed around the Tigris river valley. I shall go no further on this here.
Do you really believe that science can provide clues about moral issues?? Isn’t science basically a system of acquiring and furthering knowledge by observations and experimentations. As such, it’s more a diagnostic tool that is supposed to help us understand how things work. The philosophical inferences from the observations are for the most part colored by the investigator’s own personal viewpoint – more so in social sciences, where the inferences and conclusions are almost always influenced and biased by the investigator’s own stance (which is frequently reinforced by a philosophical pre-commitment to uphold it). One might be able to use or tweak science to say that homosexuality is natural in animals. But does it answer the question as to whether it is wrong or not or whether it’s sinful or not. Even if that hypothesis were to be true, what does that mean to humans?? Does anything that is natural to animals automatically become morally acceptable to humans?? Isn’t it natural for animals to walk around naked?? Shall we then ask the U.S. Congress to make it constitutionally permissible for every humman to walk around naked?? Science in itself has no way of having any say in the moral implications of the course of an action.
In response to your “mammals” answer, Would one want to be morally no better than what he has been taxonomically classified as in terms of his biological morphology?? That’s really sad!
November 29th, 2006 at 3:20 amDid anybody actually listen to the clip? This is completely out of context; the focus of what he was saying was on a spiritual restoration.
November 29th, 2006 at 3:40 amOh my. 99% of you are doing exactly what you claim Dr. Dobson is doing. Judging a book by its cover. Presuming to KNOW IT ALL.
It’s a strange (and remarkable) thing to wake up and find out you are the very thing you hated and rebelled against to begin with. Try waking up.
December 1st, 2006 at 5:54 pmI can’t believe how bigoted most of the people are on here! Is it sheer stupidity that so few find this ironic???
Great observation, eljay…
Equating homosexuals to blacks! How rude can someone be? If a man likes to have sex with little kids, do we just say “that’s his nature, he was born that way–leave him alone–he doen’t have any more choice over that than his race”???
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:55 amWow.
How dumb can we get?!?
I mean, c’mon! Really???
Sheesh! I guess I’ve heard it ALL now!…
BTW…just WHERE IS Ted these days? How does his wife even stand to look at him, much less kiss him?…YUK…I would wonder where those lips have been! I feel so so sorry for her.
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:52 pmInteresting that the clip was stopped just when Dr. Dobson was about the explain the real healing that needed to take place. But then ya’ll think that being gay is like being black.
If you have done your research you would know that even the gay research says that gayness is something that develops when you’re a kid … interpretation, it is developmental. For men … lack of connection with masculinity from the ages of 2-5. For women … lots of reasons including developmental issues with their mother, sexual abuse, etc.
Of course, I guess you could omit my comments, since ex-days don’t exist.
December 3rd, 2006 at 12:29 amDr. Dobson is absolutely right, if you believe in the Bible.
He understands that the only thing that can heal the human heart is the Creator–God Himself.
The only people who are laughing at this are the people who have given up themselves, or never opened their hearts to God, and allowed Him to heal their hearts.
Nothing is impossible for Him. Restoring Ted Haggard is right out of the heart of God who said that each of us is being changing into the likeness of Christ, though it’s a process.
Go for it Ted. You will one day be a display for the heart of God. Don’t give up.
And for all of you guys out there being cruel, even the most sincere people are not impervious to sin. Have a heart. God Bless
December 3rd, 2006 at 7:14 amAll of the major psychological/psychiatric associations are against “restorative therapy” because it just doesn’t work. Why can’t we just accept this man for who he is and help him to accept himself? Remember Exodus International…where two of the leaders fell in love with each other and left the “restoration therapy” group they were promoting? Let’s get educated and accept people as they are.
December 5th, 2006 at 2:51 pmSo..let’s say…hmmm…Jim Jones, you deceived and lied to so many people, but I accept u for what u are. Listen, this man DECEIVED and lied to folks just as Jim Jones did…just in a different way. How would YOU like to have been in his group of followers with his hippocracy?? How would you have liked to be his wife and live with such ?
December 11th, 2006 at 2:46 pmSigned, “Blondie…..Peace Out Man
Jackie Mac,
How would YOU like to have been in his group of followers with his hippocracy?
December 19th, 2006 at 12:25 pm– I would be heartbroken and wishing I could do something to help him
How would you have liked to be his wife and live with such ?
– I would be heartbroken and desiring to see him restored to the man God created him to be
I’m an old man who’s a few years older than Jim Dobson. He and I were undergraduates together in Pasadena, California. None of had the slightest idea that he’d become the celebrity that he has become.
Jim was a good athlete, especially in tennis; he was quiet and reserved, often walking around campus with his head down. Everyone who knew Jim Dobson on campus, believed in his faith.
After medical school, Jim was considered a fine pediatrician and child shrink, working out of UCLA University Hospital. His first book THE STRONG WILLED CHILD was rightfully a New York Times best-seller. His “Focus on the Family” radio show was in contrast to the self-helpers who filled the air-waves. In the 1970s I was hired by a non-related organization to write and direct a television special featuring Dobson before he began his own media ministry. AT that stage of the game I was a believer in the Good Doctor.
I have often asked myself, when did I begin to question Jim Dobson’s motivation and message? I think it was when he went political, identifying with ultra conservative leaders and lobyists in Washington. It was when Meece asked him to serve on his Porn Commision, out of that came his notoriety with the a well-known serial murderer who blamed his anti-social behavior on pornography. Soon after this (or maybe before) he became the Republican administrations’ conservative authority on matters familial. It seems that Jim then usuprped or took advantange of his position of political influence and used his religious conservative following to give further weight to his supposed political importance.
And guess what? The Washington lobyists and politicos took Dobson to their breast to fight same sex relationships, abortion, and separation of church and state. In many ways, Republicans have helped make my friend James Dobson become what he is.
I wish the charming old Jim Dobson were still here.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:34 pmIs Ted going to be convicted of using church money to pay for his sex?..and also…is he not going to be convicted of possession and use of Meth? Duh…isn’t that a crime? BTW>>>>WHERE IS TED THESE DAYS???????
January 9th, 2007 at 5:55 amPeople are gay because they choose to be gay. People are straight because they choose to be straight. We choose because we know between right and wrong. It is unnatural to be gay and it is wrong and contrary to the laws of nature and God’s Word. People who choose to have perverted sex choose to do so because they are ruled by their flesh instead of their good sense. Evil is a choice and you become a slave to your choices. Your choices determine your emotions. As a man thinks so is he. If you choose to think perverted, unatural thoughts, you will soon act on them. A man who has self-control is greater than a man who can overtake a whole city. It is a lie when men say they are gay because they were born that way. God is not confused, men are confused. Is a prostitute a prostitute because God made her a prostitute and it is in her genes. That is just as stupid to say it is in your genes to be gay. A stupid gay doctor made that stupid lie up. If you want to be unnatural, then you have to accept the fact that you will have problems and conflict. If you want to be a sexual pervert of any type, you are not going to be accepted and that is just the way it is. Sex is God designed and not meant to be used merely for the perversions of man’s vain imagination. Man’s mind not kept under control of God’s Wisdom kills, steals and destroys others and himself. Case in Point: The average life of homosexuals is around 45 because the unnatural abuse they do to their own bodies destroys them. Also child molestors are people who have no self control and allow themselves to destroy others.
January 22nd, 2007 at 7:04 pmI was involved in an ‘ex-gay’ counseling ministry for 7 years while I was a minister, and all I discovered was that God and me are on the same page – that He made me this way.
My counselor finally admitted to me that I would always have gay feelings, and that I would just have to be strong and fight it. He said he still imagined men in his mind when he had sex with his wife.
I decided then to live the most truthful and real way I could live. I want to be the most authentic person possible. And that means I can happily say ‘I am a man. A gay man.’
January 24th, 2007 at 1:17 amPraise the Lord, Ted Haggard is now cured of his evil affliction! Please send him all your prayers and thank God for saving one of our own!
February 7th, 2007 at 11:00 amJust wondering…but are you calling being gay an “evil affliction?” Cured? Sureeee he is…would love to have more details on this please. BTW…Where IS ted hangin out these days? You sure sound “in the know”. Isn’t possession AND use of meth a crime? When is the trial?
February 11th, 2007 at 2:32 pm[quote]This dickwad also says that there has never been a separation of church and state. Go figure how he gets all the time and space to tell his evil lies.[/quote]
Uuuh there is no “separation of church and state” in the Constitution! It doesn’t say it ANYWHERE!
That “term” was used in a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Southern Baptist Convention assuring them that the “government”would never interfer with a church’s business.
So…..the “constitutinal separation od church and state” is a mere myth.
If you read the Constitution you’d see that.
So Dr. Dobson is correct on that fact.
Other than that…there HAS been cases of gays changing their lifestyle. It’s not like changing from an African American to something else. It’s changing a preference. It CAN be done IF that person really wants to. Although how many of them REALLY want to?
But if Ted Haggard was interested in doing THAT, then he would have already sought the help privately. The only reason he’s crying now is because he got caught lying and his gay lifestyle was eventually exposed. I guess living the life of a powerful religious figure and having that big income was worth living a double life. Most people would just find a different career. I hear porn directors make alot of money, or maybe bankers.
I wouldn’t lump all Christians together. There’s idiots in EVERY kind of group. They all have their king. Or court jesters….
February 12th, 2007 at 1:13 pmIf the usual prize for a conversion is a toaster oven, what do you suppose the guy who turned Ted got? Dang, must have been a delux kitchen remodel!
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