A threat from al-Sadr.
By on Nov 24th, 2006 at 5:28 pm
A threat from al-Sadr.
“Radical anti-U.S. Shi’ite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr’s political bloc, a key player in Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s government, threatened on Friday to withdraw from the cabinet and parliament if Maliki met U.S. President George W. Bush as planned in Jordan next week.”
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Now, why doesn’t GW just march his candy ass right into Sadr’s office and bitch slap him into line?
November 24th, 2006 at 5:38 pmOh yeah, because Bush is a simpering coward.
Never mind.
So what make Al-Sadr radical and anti US, wanting our illegal, barbarous murderous occupation of his country to end?
November 24th, 2006 at 6:35 pm#2, I’m with you. Why is Sadr always described in the capitalist, corporate, mainstream media as “radical” and “anti-US?
November 24th, 2006 at 6:44 pm#2 & 3,
November 24th, 2006 at 6:49 pmal-Sadr is radical because he represents the group of Iraqis that want the US out of Iraq. Ya know, the 73%. Seems radical in some circles.
If he did that you would say he was wrong. Because if he said the sky was blue he would be wrong (in your eyes)
November 24th, 2006 at 6:52 pmif bush said the sky was blue, i would look three times and check… how else ought one treat a murderer who lies and kills and lies and lies every day, every night, every minute…..
sadr is exactly correct when he says, ‘We asked Maliki to cancel his planned meeting with Bush because there is no reason to meet with the criminal who is behind terrorism in Iraq.‘
November 24th, 2006 at 7:02 pmif bush said the sky was blue, i would look three times and check… how else ought one treat a murderer who lies and kills and lies and lies every day, every night, every minute…..
sadr is exactly correct when he says, ‘We asked Maliki to cancel his planned meeting with Bush because there is no reason to meet with the criminal who is behind terrorism in Iraq.‘
November 24th, 2006 at 7:02 pmKevinski, if he said the sky was blue, and he was in Washington state, he would be wrong. It’s gray until May…
November 24th, 2006 at 7:13 pmBut seriously, he’s screwed up every damn think he’s touched in his pathetic life. I have good reason to doubt every damn think he says and examine every thing he does. See, you idiots elected him to public office, and I, along with my fellow country men and women bear the responsibility for the evil shit he’s perpetrated on the planet.
I think Al-Sadr needs to have his shoulders rubbed…
November 24th, 2006 at 7:14 pmIf he did that you would say he was wrong. Because if he said the sky was blue he would be wrong (in your eyes)
Comment by Kevin
At nightime it’s black…sooo nanner nanner boo boo
November 24th, 2006 at 7:16 pmI don’t think Bush is behind terrorism but he sure didn’t help it any.
So let me reiterate the generic GOP talking point of; “it’s better to fight Sadr over there than over here.”
its a Cragg Myre!!
November 24th, 2006 at 7:22 pmIf he did that you would say he was wrong. Because if he said the sky was blue he would be wrong (in your eyes)
Comment by Kevin — November 24, 2006 @ 6:52 pm
Way to go kevin-That was one snappy good come back “for you”. I say if there is a god GWB will be charged with crimes against humanity and spend the rest of his life in prison. The pure hell, death, suffering and destruction he has caused is beyond belief.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:22 pmI think Al-Sadr needs to have his shoulders rubbed…
Comment by Zep Tepi — November 24, 2006 @ 7:14 pm
November 24th, 2006 at 7:24 pmGood one Zep!! We need to beat them down tonight.
the bottom line – b4 we go – take out Al Sadr
now if possible
November 24th, 2006 at 7:40 pmI’m willing to bet a TV pundit uses that one Joe
November 24th, 2006 at 7:40 pmDOnt defend Al Sadr, he’s not a freedom fighter, hes a fquit.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:40 pmOf course to me he’s not a freedom fighter, but to his people he is.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:45 pmi find it truly amazing that the mere mention of ai-pac or neg0ro-pon-tE gets posts deleted, but, when someone calls for the assassination of a religious leader, mr sadr, it goes through like a knife through butter!!!
you murderers can assassinate all the people you want, but, you can’t beat the oppressed and the occupied, no matter how hard you try… you lack any understanding over what the man really means to his people… the bush cri0-me fami-ly understands that and are reveling in the bl0od of the iraqis because it gives them poweeer…or so they think.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:52 pmthe bottom line – b4 we go – take out Al Sadr
now if possible
Comment by HarryLauder
The same thing said about a guy…what was his name??… Osama something.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:53 pmHarry, dont worry, others will come as long as US stays there. If not, your government will come up with some other villains you can hate too.
Look for some heads to roll in the “liberal media” soon. One of the wire services distributed a picture of King George the Dumb making telephone calls on Thanksgiving. Their sin was forgetting (?) to crop the glass of booze he was spilling on the floor. There was no mistaking it for a glass of milk.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:54 pmHey, james…dont get mad. Be subtle and pass along the info.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:55 pmYou can’t say A.I.P.A.C.?
But they suck
November 24th, 2006 at 7:57 pmYou can’t say A.I.P.A.C.?
November 24th, 2006 at 7:58 pmI’ve noticed that you can’t say A . I . P . A . C . a while back, which is annoying because they suck
November 24th, 2006 at 7:58 pmI’ve noticed that you can’t say A . I . P . A . C . a while back, which is annoying because they are mean people
November 24th, 2006 at 7:59 pmWhats the AIPAC?
November 24th, 2006 at 8:07 pmIm gonna google it, but come on, share that. Hey, richard! (Have we met?)
Oops, I just did. I know what you mean now.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:08 pmwell you can say it, but, best not be critical of it and the recipients of its largesse, deniz… hi juan!
Comment by richard perl –e — November 24, 2006 @
think progress deleted this post, deniz, if you are still there….
November 24th, 2006 at 8:13 pmenough said, eh, deniz???
November 24th, 2006 at 8:15 pmif this is true, start sending the american body bags…
November 24th, 2006 at 8:23 pm
We have Negroponte in place (Iran-Contra). We have Baker in place (Carlyle Group-Saudis). Why do I not feel confident that a solution to this will be found soon?
November 24th, 2006 at 9:07 pmal-Sadr is a populist thug who uses religious zealotry and his father’s name to increase his power. he is bad news as are his Sunni enemies. (he has serious enemies in the Shia community too – the Badr brigades who opposed Saddam.) he is the most powerful man in Iraq, make no mistake. a pox on all their houses. to think we can bring democracy, representative govt, or even stability to this place is foolish. the political, tribal, and religious tension held in check by Saddam – may he hang painfully, shit his pants and beg like coward for mercy and be denied – are coming out like they did in the former USSR client states after the USSR fell. the coming bloodbath is needed like the fires of Yellowstone in the late ’80’s were needed to restore the viability of that ecosystem. the “iraqis” will have to fight it out and see who remains. to think we can stop it is silly. better to just get out of the way.
November 24th, 2006 at 9:19 pm#37, B-Boy: I really don’t understand the Left’s support of Islamic Supremists!
In direct response to 9/11, Pres Bush with probably your support inadvertently fathered a burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic in Iraq.
What say you?
9/11 + Iraq = Bush’s Shiite Fundamentalist Islamic Middle East
WTF?
November 24th, 2006 at 10:48 pmHidden costs wait to surface from Iraq war’s depths
By Edward Luce and Demetri Sevastopulo
Published: November 21 2006 18:15 | Last updated: November 21 2006 18:15
[snip]
Much of the human cost of the war has been kept out of sight, including the return of the dead given the Bush administration’s ban on the televising of bodybags.
But the extended tours of duty imposed on volunteer part-timers in the National Guard and Reserves as well as regular units has ruptured military morale, according to Larry Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, Mr Bush’s first secretary of state.
As a result the Pentagon has been forced to dilute recruitment standards – waiving academic requirements and lifting the age limit from 35 to 40. “This is a war that is being fought by poor people while the rest of the country drives round in its SUVs barely noticing it is happening,†said Mr Wilkerson, who served in Vietnam.
Mr Campbell, a former naval officer, describes Iraq as a war that is being “funded by debt on a national credit card that is being financed by Chinaâ€. America’s public debt has risen by more than a third to over $8,000bn (€6,240bn, £4,215bn) since the start of the Bush administration. China’s foreign reserves, mostly held in US treasury bonds, are close to $1,000bn.
“If you think of the Iraq war as a pool then it is still on the [US] surface,†said Mr Campbell. “But beneath it there are many concealed rocks.†One such hidden cost could be a diminished appetite for international engagement – an “Iraq syndrome†to match the US’s reduced self-confidence following Vietnam is more likely this time, says Steve Clemons at the New American Foundation in Washington.
November 24th, 2006 at 10:50 pmMoqtada al-Sadr is a powerful force in Iraq, he should be taken seriously.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:56 pmHey goodscarrier,
If you’re going to cut & paste, how about something on topic?
November 24th, 2006 at 11:58 pmThis is a silly question but I am serious and not picking a fight. Should Bush not meet with Maliki because al-Sadr disapproves?
November 25th, 2006 at 12:05 amRobert,
GWB will do what he damn well pleases, as usual, Al-Sadr’s warning was to Maliki.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:10 amThis is a silly question but I am serious and not picking a fight. Should Bush not meet with Maliki because al-Sadr disapproves?
Comment by robert — November 25, 2006 @ 12:05 am
I think it’s a good point. Al-Sadr put alot of people between a rock and a hard place (Not that he hasn’t had everyone there).
If they meet, basically they told him he is insignificant and he may withdraw support.
If they don’t, They tell this backyard thug that he has control and he is just built up higher.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:24 am#46, Tundra, you make a point and win a cigar.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:30 amDamn it’s only 9:35 here on the Pacific time, I Googled it.
First time ever posting from vacation, I saw Moqtada al-Sadr surfing earlier today in Carlsbad. He says its totally cool now and everthing’s been worked out….
He wanted me to say hi to his homies in Fresno.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:33 amHe also said Goodscarrier should eat more wheat grass.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:37 amWell gotta go, big day tomorrow…
November 25th, 2006 at 12:38 am#46, Tundra, you make a point and win a cigar.
Comment by robert — November 25, 2006 @ 12:30 am
Hopefully it’s 100% Lewinsky free (Bada Bing)
The more I think about it though, Bush has to meet with him. The U.S supports and recognizes the “democratically elected” government if Iraq. If he allows anyone else to stop that he is in essence destroying their legitimacy. Also our soldiers are over there right now. To not meet with the leaders of that country is pushing off any talks about them leaving/support roles/mission objectives etc.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:45 amHow the hell are ya Zoe?
Comment by ren
I am absolutely fantastic, ren. How are you?
I see from our friend FortRuth, that Al-Sadr is surfing it up in Carlsbad. It’s nice a thug can get away on vacation…
November 25th, 2006 at 12:47 amren,
I’m glad you had a great holiday. Mine was better than expected. Thanks.
Great to see you back, ren.
Goodnight.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:03 amthe neocons have diseased and infested entire government and institutions. time to burn it all down down and build it back up. completely eradicated.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:36 am#
the bottom line – b4 we go – take out Al Sadr
now if possible
Comment by HarryLauder — November 24, 2006 @ 7:40 pm
#
Al Sadr has millions of followers. He cannot control them. Probably not a good idea to “take out Al Sadr”
November 25th, 2006 at 3:34 amLet me get this straight, bUsh invades Iraq, occupies a foreign country, after destroying the infrastructure, killing hundreds of thousands, torturing, raping and Al Sadr is the “RADICAL”.
November 25th, 2006 at 4:00 amI mean it’s easy to follow the script, echoed by all U.S. corporate whore media, that Al Sadr is the radical, ironically fighting an occupying army, wanting them out of HIS country. So what does that make bush, Ghandi ?
re#61
The HYPOCRITES that started the Iraq war, are masters at using the language of “double speak” to turn their wrongs into rights!
November 25th, 2006 at 5:52 amFREEEEEEDOMMMMM
Blair warns SNP win could lead to break-up of United Kingdom
The Prime Minister has launched a pre-emptive strike against the Scottish National Party as he warned that an SNP victory in next year’s elections would plunge Britain into a “constitutional nightmare”.
He focused his fire on the nationalists days before the SNP attempts to strike a new blow against the Government’s stance on Iraq at the end of the Queen’s Speech debate on Monday.
More than 100 MPs have signed a joint SNP-Plaid Cymru amendment to the Queen’s Speech calling on Mr Blair to come to the Commons with a new strategy for dealing with the Iraq crisis.
Also Bush was in the tabloid paper saying Scotland should not be free – THAT MEANS WE WANT FREEDOM MORE THAN EVER and we are winning by 55% as tp labour 35% and LIBS 10% ……… we hate conservatives in Scotland …………FREEEEEEEDOMMMMM
November 25th, 2006 at 5:57 amhahahah I’m truly curious to see how this one plays out. and these are the people bush, hermaphrodite, and roger rabbit were thumping thier chests for us to liberate.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:38 amYou really have no clue ?
Well getting all your information from sites like this instead of the MSM has really worked out well hasn’t it.
I do believe I’ve heard more than one US religious leader referred to as a “radical”. Something about them made that characteristic easy to recognse. You’d expect having thousands of RPG and RPK armed private militias roaming the streets would be one such indicator, but apparently not.
November 25th, 2006 at 8:22 amThat’s why Thinkprogress favours “redeployment” of all US forces out of Iraq by 2007 rather than “immediate withdrawal”. Hey look how well that works for others.
November 25th, 2006 at 8:26 amWe really should not be taking sides in the resurgency. What is our reason for favoring a Schiite controlled government and considering al Sadr an enemy that we must fight. The Schiites control Iran and Iraq and the Sunnis strongest allies are the Saudi Arabians. We are in the wrong place and have no business being there. Let’s get out while the getting is good and stop all this bragadoccio about being the best and the most honorable. We were lied to about this war and it is costing us billions but worst of all it is costing the lives of our children.
November 25th, 2006 at 8:46 amLet us leave red hot NOW.
US will only succeed if it focuses on one or two things they need to do right now. The problem of solving so many issues at one time is causing all of these troubles. First US has to define what the mission in Iraq is all about…WMDS…SADDAM TOPPLING…FEEE THE IRAQIS….BRINGING DEMOCRACY …FIGHITING INSURGENCY…DEMOCRACY IN THE WHOLE MIDDLE EAST…DEMOCRACY IN THE WHOLE MOSLEM WORLD…PROTECTING ISRAEL…DEFENDING THE KURDS…DEFENDING THE SHIITE…STOPPING IRAN…HAVE LONG TERM MILITARY PRESENCE AND AIRBASES…AND THE LIST GOES ON…none can be achieved if we don’t focus on one or two and try to define what the mission is all about…..The administration talks different goals,The Congress claim not to know the mission..so are the people….Will James Baker find a solution ?!!
November 25th, 2006 at 8:56 amIt’s about time The Iraquis standup for themselves and the Cleric of Sadr is doing just that. They want the instigators to go home so that they may deal with their enormous problems.
November 25th, 2006 at 9:54 amIf the Americans would only leave with all their baggage making sure that all contractors and foreign labor left with them, then the people of Iraq could begin to restore some semblence of normal life.
George and his cabal went into this ill conceived venture strictly for greed. The oil and slave labor was too tempting. “A cake walk”.
Time for the ugly american to leave.
You really have no clue ?
Well getting all your information from sites like this instead of the MSM has really worked out well hasn’t it.
Comment by Tank.
Yes it has Tank. The MSM is as much to blame for these horrific atrocities as b”U”sh. Sites such as these have all the lying, low-life, neo-cons SCARED!!!!!
November 25th, 2006 at 11:13 amOh sorryTank, I left out that you’re an idiot.
November 25th, 2006 at 11:14 am#56 – We are doing something good, I know we are….
Comment by ren
That was a nice thing you said, ren.
November 25th, 2006 at 11:41 amHope you feel good about this. Al-Sadr decided to hold out, hoping domestic sentiment for the war would wane and cause US military backing of the ELECTED government to be withdrawn, so that he could create his own nation state. He got his wish, and the biggest losers are the 12 million Iraq’s who didn’t get their wish – you must feel good about undermining those people’s votes …
November 25th, 2006 at 6:35 pmYes it has Tank. The MSM is as much to blame for these horrific atrocities as bâ€Uâ€sh. Sites such as these have all the lying, low-life, neo-cons SCARED!!!!!
Comment by notimpressedwiththeUS — November 25, 2006 @ 11:13 am
I think it probably scares a lot of people, not only those in the media.
You have after all just confirmed that by favouring a site like this instead of a reputable news outlet you think that Bush and the media are to blame for a radical cleric’s private army killing people on the basis of their religion.
Something which Bush and the MSM clearly oppose.
Frankly I wouldn’t trust you to own a box of matches if this is how much intelligence you’re working with and even with an explanation, simple explanations evade you.
November 25th, 2006 at 7:17 pmWhy is it that invariably Al Sadr is classified as a “radical” cleric. They never explain what’s so radical about him.
November 26th, 2006 at 1:42 am# 73 Hahahaah duuude you are dense. Sadr is actually using the democratic process as leverage to get what he wants. His democratically elected represenatives are making thier support of the prime minister contingent on him doing what they want. What could be more democratic than that?
If you really and truly think a majority of Iraqis hold ANY pro western, pro-israeli beleifs, you are seriously deluded. I beleive this Sadr guy polls better than any of the people actually running the government over there.. someone correct me if I’m wrong..
Are you saying a majority of Iraqis want us to stay? You think all these polls showing massive iraqi support for us leaving are propoganda too?
Oh and Jason, since your such a big democracy advocate, are you equally upset that Israel and the US undermined the palestenians peoples vote by
taking action against Hamas once they were democratically elected?
Or do you only whine about undermining democracy when you believe (quite wrongly) that the undermined voters had pro-western leanings?
November 26th, 2006 at 2:52 am