Iraq goes from bad to worse.
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It has to go from worse to ______ (insert your favourite word for hell here) before it will be acknowledged as a civil war.
November 24th, 2006 at 3:22 pmI wonder if W is going to put those rose colored glasses up on ebay soon. I'd bid about a quarter for them.
November 24th, 2006 at 3:39 pmAnd it's all them damn anti-war type secular progressives fault for this war! If they would have wanted war then we wouldn't have war!
An an an if those damn liberals had wanted Bush for President we would have voted for Kerry!!
And corruption! Those damn leftists are such goody two-shoes they created corruption!!
/sarcasmon
November 24th, 2006 at 4:12 pmAs I said. Its going swimmingly for the oil plunderers. Still no attack on oil pipes. Just burned bodies everywhere.
November 24th, 2006 at 4:27 pmWhere's Irack? What's happening? Who? Why? I don't know.
November 24th, 2006 at 4:41 pmSure those darn liberals behind it. Wasn't it them damn pacifists too who was behind WW II and Korea and Vietman? Vietman or Vietnam? Darn them liberals...
What's showing on Focks?...
Heckuva job, Bush (f**king bastard)
November 24th, 2006 at 4:44 pmas i was saying, before the post was so rudely removed by big brother at georgetown...
john negropon-te is to blame for this. he used the same techniques in vietnam and in nicaragua. you foment internal strife by funding both sides and by assassination...see lebanon this weekend...and, you clean up afterwards. masked death squads are his forte!!! any rational discussion of the strife in iraq today has to consider the possibility that the usa is instigating it to cause unrest in the region because they want to control the outcome.
why did think progress delete my post??? what are you guys afraid of??? i wish you had the stones to answer and debate and not simply delete.
November 24th, 2006 at 5:08 pmHeads Up
Tom Hayden -- Secret Talks Between U.S. and Armed Iraqi
Details of the plan are listed, but in-brief, it boils down to a re-Baathification in exchange for permanent bases. Who woulda thunk it?
November 24th, 2006 at 5:19 pmDoh, title is Secret Talks Between U.S. and Armed Iraqi Resistance
November 24th, 2006 at 5:21 pmno not: why did think progress delete my post??? what are you guys afraid of??? i wish you had the stones to answer and debate and not simply delete.
Second that. At the minimum, if there are policies to violate, how's about we get to see such policies???
November 24th, 2006 at 5:33 pmHeckuva job, Bush (f**king bastard)
Comment by Willy
Yeah, how dare Bush cause centuries of hatred between these two groups.
November 24th, 2006 at 5:58 pmYeah, how dare Bush cause centuries of hatred between these two groups.
Comment by robert — November 24, 2006 @ 5:58 pm
robert-there is no nicer way to put this. You ignorant slut they were not killing each other by the 100's each day untill god told GWB to attack Iraq. Simmering haterd-yes, no burning alive-drilling holes in heads etc.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:20 pm#11-robert,
Do you postulate that the horrors that are currently occuring in Iraq and the monumental instability of that country have nothing to do with the USA's invasion and occupation?
If so then I have to inquire as to why you are being so blatantly disingenous?
Peace.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:24 pm#12, Simmering haterd-yes, no burning alive-drilling holes in heads etc.
Under Saddam they were not allowed to express any action toward each other. Now, he is gone and it is a power struggle (civil war). Something can only simmer for so long before it boils over.
Try reading a little Arab history before you start the three-year-old-child behavior.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:25 pmHumanist,
No, I state that the long hatred was there and that can not be blamed on the U.S. They hated each other long before we were even a nation. But now they have the opportunity to act on that hatred, in part because of the U.S.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:28 pmTry reading a little Arab history before you start the three-year-old-child behavior.
Comment by robert — November 24, 2006 @ 6:25 pm
robert I was wrong-Your a $ick head.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:30 pmTry reading a little Arab history
Comment by robert
Like Bush did.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:31 pmrobert - "But now they have the opportunity to act on that hatred, in part because of the U.S."
yes - we should feel so proud to have helped them in that regard...
November 24th, 2006 at 6:43 pmbobbert
November 24th, 2006 at 6:46 pmIt's well documented that these factions have been at each other for fourteen hundred plus years.
It is also pretty well known that the Sunni have been in privileged socio economic strata for roughly four hundred years (Ottoman timeline).
So whose freakin fault is it that the iron fist that kept them from this violence is no longer in power, and there is nothing filling the power vacuum that has resulted?
Mickey or Minnie?
#15-robert,
I see the problem. First off, can you accurately describe what the difference between a "Sunni" and "Shiite" is as it pertains to their Muslim faith? Also, you need to become educated on the history of the region. Until you can in detail answer the question "What was the Ottoman Empire", you really will never understand the Middle East.
Regardless, though, I find it a bit appalling for you to be now blaming the natives of the region for the atrocity that has been brought down upon them by you and the USA with your murderous crusade. Part of your problem is that you still cling to sources of information that have been proven to be categorically wrong on virtually every aspect of the Iraq atrocity and you immediately dismiss, without basis of course, the sources who have been consistently correct. And if you do not understand how violence begets violence, and hate begets hate, then you will forever blame the victim and back the oppressor. These are not my opinions, mind you, but are established sociological facts.
Look up the definition of "patriotism" and then the definition of "cultist" and tell me which one best describes your predicament. Also, I strongly recommend that you pursue some substantial education in world history. It will benefit you greatly I am certain.
Good luck to you.
May peace be with us all.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:46 pmNo, I state that the long hatred was there and that can not be blamed on the U.S. They hated each other long before we were even a nation. But now they have the opportunity to act on that hatred, in part because of the U.S.
----- robert
Which is the reason Bush Sr did not take Sadam out the first round, because it would destablized the ethnic situation there.
Bush was too stupid to see that the PNAC was pushing. And too stupid to listen to Daddy.
They, being the Bush Administration are directly to blame for today's situation in Iraq. They lied to us constantly, starting with lies to get us into Iraq. They have been lying and robbing the country blind, stripping rights, Violating the constitution and the Law of the Land
Not only are they responsible, they are criminally responsible.
November 24th, 2006 at 6:52 pmin all due respect to robert juan and joe and anyone else trying to figure out the sunni/shiite issue, may i may suggest we all read some USA history and begin with cia and their use of deathsquads and their creation of civil unrest in nicara--gua, vietn--am, vene--zuela, and several of other countries.
we can sit around and imagine what the history of the shiite/sunni struggle has been, or, we can look at the REAL source of the problem: the americans, their imperi--alism, their hegemony, and their history of doing exactly what we are seeing in iraq....
November 24th, 2006 at 6:55 pmwe can sit around and imagine what the history of the shiite/sunni struggle has been, or, we can look at the REAL source of the problem: the americans, their imperi–alism, their hegemony, and their history of doing exactly what we are seeing in iraq….
---- volvo
Correct. I have a list of all the times that the US has used troops for purely Corporate interests, not a real threat to the US of attack, etc. from 1890 to present. It's not a pretty list. Even without adding Iraq to that list yet. There are US states and cities on that list by the way, before laws stopped that.
The spilling of blood for some bloodless corporation has to stop.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:06 pmWayne, you might have to take lessons from Volvo to get that list published.
Volvo, are you working from a forbidden word list?
November 24th, 2006 at 7:11 pmSo whose freakin fault is it that the iron fist that kept them from this violence is no longer in power
So you would advocate keeping the dictator in power?
November 24th, 2006 at 7:16 pmAbsolutely. I actually believe in this quaint freakin notion of soveriegnty.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:19 pmHeard of it?
john negropon-te is to blame for this...masked death squads are his forte!!!
Comment by no not no no — November 24, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
reminds me of something randi rhodes brings up frequently...
she has said that when she first heard of negroponte being brought in, that she said "ok, now you will see the death squads in iraq", and now there are death squads in iraq...
good time to re-post something from BnF:
November 24th, 2006 at 7:23 pmgoogle "PETITION FOR REDEPLOYMENT OF TROOPS FROM IRAQ" and follow link to sigh petition...
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robert - So you would advocate keeping the dictator in power?
Yeah, that was a no-brainer from the start, and don't even start talking about the "spread of democracy" cover for neo-liberal imperialism. Just consider yourself dismissed pending some serious attempts at re-education.
gawdam unwashed barbarians...who you gonna call?
November 24th, 2006 at 7:27 pmSo you would advocate keeping the dictator in power?
--------- robert
Lets deal with facts, not what-ifs and strawmen, robert.
They lied to get us into a war, to take a dictator, under sanctions, who was going to arm people, not with the non-existant WMDs, but with slingshots and crossbows, because they didn'thave enough weapons to defend themselves.
Sadam was well under control, there was no need, just wait for his people to take him out of power.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:28 pmI thought it was hell before. I was mistaken. The media has started the compare Iraq to Vietnam game. This ain't no Viet Nam. It's worse.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:38 pmdeleted twice, back again for a third time
yes, katy, i thought the exact same thing... i know all about neg--ro--pon-te and his death squads and i wish everyone understood the usa history and did not get distracted by the sunni/shiite part of the equation. the variables, e.g., contra, chavez, viet0nam, are interchangeable! the only constant is negponte. begin with what you know and go from there; don't get confused by the shiney objects... oh well, i guess some people get it and some people decide to ignore it...that is whjy my postss get deleeted and others do not...
November 24th, 2006 at 7:40 pmpartition asap
November 24th, 2006 at 7:41 pm27 - Katy, thanks. Every time I try to put up the link, it disappears into cyberspace. I even tried on this thread. sigh.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:44 pmren - ok, I'll try this:
Dear Mr. President:
I agree with Senator Barbara Boxer that we should begin to redeploy our troops from Iraq now to allow Iraqis to begin to take charge of their own country and to remove our brave troops from the chaotic and dangerous situation there.
* By signing this petition, I authorize Senator Boxer to forward my name to the President.
If you agree, go to her website. She has a petition for those not residing in California, too.
November 24th, 2006 at 7:58 pmcan i post a link.... job application at mossad
November 24th, 2006 at 8:06 pmcan i post a link.... job application at mossad...
November 24th, 2006 at 8:06 pmHarry, it doesn't look like partition at all. Look above for my heads-up link to the Hayden article. There you will see that the last-gasp plan is calling for the old Baath Party players to be re-instated whilst the US settles in for a cozy, long-term, low-casualty occupation. All that opens the door for the neo-con dream war in Iran and fruition for the Israeli pipeline to free oil. For Bush's Orwellian NWO, such a scenario translates to total success. For us home-boys, it translates to global economic collapse.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:08 pmIf The U.S. has no Business removing dictators then we should not have went into Germany to remove Hitler.
But, we can agree that at least Saddam was able to maintain control. It does not matter that he murdered thousands of his own people.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:15 pmVolvo-no-volvo, what's up with that site? FireFox says that site has a bad certificate authority. I recommend you have all your shots before you go on a fishing trip like that.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:20 pmWayne, if we had Backed the Iraqi people in 91 Like we "implied" we were going to then maybe they could have removed him.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:23 pmIf The U.S. has no Business removing dictators then we should not have went into Germany to remove Hitler.
Comment by robert
Robert, I guess US got a little late removing Hitler. Soviets and a pill did the work. Besides it was hard to remove Hitler with all the good US corporations fond of him.
But, we can agree that at least Saddam was able to maintain control. It does not matter that he murdered thousands of his own people.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:37 pmand iranians too. With bombs and chemicals made in US.
Robert, the US didn't go into WWII to remove Hitler...the Russians took care of that. The only thing the US military can actually claim for their effort was the fire-bombing of 600,000 German civilians. The rest was nothing but a shell-game for pumping money into the coffers of the Bush family, Exxon and the munitions people, just like it is right now. All the "moral-superiority" arguments have never been anything more than propaganda created to hood-wink obstinate fools like yourself and my poor mother.
The more things change, the more they seem to stay the same.
November 24th, 2006 at 8:41 pmRichard Clarke has a good article on line at the New Republic --"Admit It's Over." We must get out of Iraq. Chaos now or chaos later - makes no difference, except that more lives and more treasure will be spent the longer we stay.
November 24th, 2006 at 9:02 pmWhat pains me equally, is that Iraq was not in chaos until the US invaded. Within days of toppling the statue, the whole scheme began to unravel.
Marie, it really was horrible, especially when it became clear that the US military had been tasked to destroy every conceivable form of economic infrastructure...even automotive repair garages. And all that came right after the big lie that the infrastructure would be spared because the new bombs were so precise. How does that kind of karmic debt distribute across the population back home? We don't often talk about that dimension, yet is very clear that the US culture has become so much more decadent since the Vietnam War. Where will it go from here?
November 24th, 2006 at 9:28 pmI ignore robert whenever possible. He sounds like a cheap knock-off of Exley.
And Ren, I think we should ask the Iraqis if they want their country partitioned. Don't you?
November 24th, 2006 at 10:13 pmYep, BnF, and better ask Turkey and Iran as well. Neither one is going to tolerate increasing autonomy for the Kurds. Turkey is already threatening to invade.
November 24th, 2006 at 10:23 pmOK, granted we did not go into Germany and "get" Hitler. But should we have isolated his military forces in Germany, never crossing the borders, and hoped his people would have risen up? No, because it may never have happened.
Same with Saddam. We waited 12 years for his people to finish what Bush Sr should have done. Daddy did not do it because the all mighty UN woldn't play along. Now, we are stuck with and in this mess.
November 24th, 2006 at 10:39 pmNever said it is the UNs fault. But if we had been allowed to finish the job then, we may not have the mess we do now. After we backed out in 91, we lost a lot of
November 24th, 2006 at 10:51 pmcredibility with the Iraqis.
So, the UN position that the coalition was to only remove the Iraqi military from Kuwait was not a factor?
Guess I'll Withdraw from my ME studies course now.
November 24th, 2006 at 10:58 pm#65, exactly,but we didn't. We said "rise up and we will 'support' you". That's a very subjective way to put it.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:03 pmOn the other hand, what if a faction in our own government carried out the attacks of 9/11, and the reaction - to invade two sovereign countries - was a pre-planned consequence of an elaborate frame-up?
Was there enough money at stake to try to pull this off? Have you seen "Iraq for Sale?"
I will be the first to admit, it's one hellova "what if."
But if it's true, a lot more things make sense. Follow the money. And remember, poor people are expendable. The rich folk don't want to bother their beautiful minds with the thought of their deaths.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:30 pmren, baby,
#69, don't deny that.
Little known fact: Iraq did invade Saudi Arabia in 91. The battle of Kafji (sic)
November 24th, 2006 at 11:31 pmOn the other hand, what if a faction in our own government carried out the attacks of 9/11, and the reaction - to invade two sovereign countries - was a pre-planned consequence of an elaborate frame-up?
That would be one hell of a feat in 8 1/2 months. Especially for an administration that many call incompetent.
poor people are expendable
Please remember, it is not only the poor that serve in the Armed Forces.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:37 pmthis did no tpost the first time.
#68 "we will fight with you" implies that we will be shoulder to shoulder.
"We will support you" implies everthing from a pat on the back (aid) to shoulder to shoulder fighting.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:40 pm#74, yep. Storm on the Horizon Written by a Marine Officer that was there. One of my DIs fought there.
November 24th, 2006 at 11:45 pm#77, #77, they conducted an attack into Saudi Arabia with the intentions of capturing part or parts of a sovereign nation. Would that not classify as an invasion?
November 24th, 2006 at 11:57 pmInvasion:
the act of invading; the act of an army that invades for conquest or plunder
November 24th, 2006 at 11:59 pmany entry into an area not previously occupied; "an invasion of tourists"; "an invasion of locusts"
(pathology) the spread of pathogenic microorganisms or malignant cells to new sites in the body; "the tumor's invasion of surrounding structures"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
First off, it depends on how one measures competence. The Administration was able to get a pipeline across Afghanistan after "Operation Enduring Freedom." And it did manage to let Bin Laden escape, ensuring continued conflict, which served the war profiteers. Have you seen "Iraq for Sale?" Do you know how much money the rich are raking in off the no-bid contracts? If the goal was to increase their bottom line while eliminating accountability, the Administration has performed exemplararily.
If the Administration orchestrated the events of 9/11, it has proved a master at public relations (unless, of course, Corporate media is part of the orchestra). Yet for 5+ years the Administration controlled public opinion. And with its One-Party domination of the government, controlled the political agenda as well.
In other words, by the measure of a wealthy controlling elite class (Bush's Base), this Administration has been quite competent indeed.
Next, while not all members of the armed services come from the low socio-economic spectrum, those that do fall disproportionately into the front-line foot soldiers.
And, the expendible poor include the innocent children, women, and men of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Another open question: Why weren't there any Arab remains in the wreckage of flight 93? After all, it supposedly crashed into the ground, thus everything should have been in one spot. One more: Why weren't the alleged hijackers of Flight 93 listed as passengers?
November 25th, 2006 at 12:03 am#77 - ren,
November 25th, 2006 at 12:04 amWTF are you main-lining? It must be really potent stuff.
You make a good case, Counselor. And you are right, if they pulled it off, it is a master piece.
Next, while not all members of the armed services come from the low socio-economic spectrum, those that do fall disproportionately into the front-line foot soldiers.
That, in my experienced opinion is fairly inaccurate. As a former recruiter I say kids from all classes. I had just as many "rich kids" go into the Infantry as "poor" kids. I had as many "poor kids" go into hi-tech jobs as "rich kids". The tests do not see the financial aspect of the applicant, only a score for an aptitude.
And, the expendable poor include the innocent children, women, and men of Iraq and Afghanistan.
And despite what you may think of my views, I also cry for these people. That is something that transcends political and national lines. You are either human or you are not.
Another open question: Why weren’t there any Arab remains in the wreckage of flight 93? After all, it supposedly crashed into the ground, thus everything should have been in one spot. One more: Why weren’t the alleged hijackers of Flight 93 listed as passengers?
November 25th, 2006 at 12:17 amThis I can not even guess at. I can only judge what I see. But there is 1 undisputed fact, 4 planes disappeared on 9/11. If they did not hit the WTC, Pentagon, and a field in PA, where are they?
#82, The only border anywhere near al-Khafji is the Southern border of Kuwait. I can not find an exact measurement, but it appears to be about 20 mi from the Kuwaiti border. It could not be an accident to move a substantial force across that distance. Especially in that area of the world. You tend to know precisely how far the next town is as there is little in between.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:27 amComment by robert — November 25, 2006 @ 12:17 am
From what I've read, some of the parts are still listed as being in use! But the best guess right now, if those particular planes did not hit the twin towers and pentagon, is that they are most likely resting on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:36 am#82,Hey, by the way, I like the discussion now vs. the absolutes that were going on before. Nice job representing your point…
November 25th, 2006 at 12:37 amthanks, by the way
Oh, and you might want to check out the size of the debris field from flight 93, then decide for yourself if it crash landed into the ground (the official story) or was blown up in the air.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:38 am#87, I do not know if segmenting would work at this point? A year or two ago. Probably. Now it woudl be very difficult to do with Iraq in its current state. IF you could do it, you would have to also concider disarming the population, minus military and police. But IF you could get it to happen, I think it would be the most benificial way to save lies on all 3 sides. Ours, the Insurgents, and most importantly, the civilians.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:43 am#88, All I know from FACT is (1) that I watched as one plane crashed into the WTC and (2) I man that I literally trust with my life was at the Pentagon when it was hit and what he say was unmistakably a plane.
#90, Checking the debris field for me would do no good. Not my area of expertise.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:47 amThose United airplanes looked really dark to me. Almost black with no visible windows. Loose Change is a good movie about it.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:51 amJuan,
Penn & Teller did a good show about it too. Check it out on google video. (No, I am not kidding)
November 25th, 2006 at 12:54 am#93, OK, good point. But remember, rifles can fire over walls and shovels can go under them.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:56 amJuan,
for you
Penn & Teller
November 25th, 2006 at 12:57 amGotta go, thanks for the thoughts and challenges
November 25th, 2006 at 1:00 amAfter all, it supposedly crashed into the ground, thus everything should have been in one spot.
I believe the debris field was around 5 miles long. There is a big difference between a trained pilot crashing and doing everything they can to salvage the people on board, and a group pent on destruction forcing a plane at a high rate of speed into the ground.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:03 amNO! If you Partition you will be able to allow everyone to have their weapons yet be Partitioned at the same time.
The problem with that is the different groups live in the same neighborhoods.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:05 amOk, robert. Now I believe it. If Penn & Teller says it, it must be true. Its really hard to find something they dont describe as bullshit. Forget the scholars and scientists saying it is all a hoax. I rather believe them.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:12 amhttp://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=159124----ZAPATA OIL LINKS BUSH SR ISRAELI SNIPERS KILLING TROOPS
16 November 2006,
In Response To: ISRAELI SNIPERS KILLING US TROOPS IN IRAQ?
Add these quotes (below) to the info from the documentary about
JFK George Bush Sr C.I.A. CIA Link Conspiracy at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9137354720737304741&q=
(not quite 2/3 way through the video) and you come to a chilling conclusion. (from that documentary)
In the JFK documentary is info that "in 1959, the year head of CIA Allen Dulles started planning the invasion of Cuba, Bush began his independent business carreer as sole owner of Zapata Offshore Oil at a place about 30 miles from Cuba. ... operation Mongoose...operation 40...the assassinations of operation 40 were supervised by E.Howard Hunt
(from freedomcrowsnest)
1) "originating not from Iran, but come from Zapata Engineering"
2) "Zapata Engineering, an offshoot of Zapata Oil with offices in North Carolina, Hawaii and Tel Aviv"
3) "Zapata Engineering has hired these Israeli Mossad-types into Iraq for the purposes of alleged counter-insurgency"
Your link led me to
http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49204
(Here below I quote from there)
"Cloak News - Washington, D.C. - Zapata Engineering, an offshoot of Zapata Oil with offices in North Carolina, Hawaii and Tel Aviv, have now been linked to the hiring of private Mossad contractors aka alleged Israeli Engineers in Iraq. Of course that is not the real story.
"It can now be reported that Zapata Engineering has hired these Israeli Mossad-types into Iraq for the purposes of alleged counter-insurgency.
However, the alleged Israeli engineers have now been fingered for sniping at U.S. Soldiers and the murder of two female American Marines who had their throats slit and then placed in garbage dumps.
"These female Marines had been investigating the origins of the I.E.D. (Improvised Explosives Devices). And of course it gets worse. It can now be reported that the origin of the I.E.D.’s, come not from Iran, but come from Zapata Engineering of North Carolina, Hawaii and Tel Aviv.
"And now of course, it really gets worse. The projectile’s discovered by American Special Forces have depleted uranium tips which connects directly to the Israeli company Rafael, which of course is owned by Zapata Engineering of North Carolina, Hawaii and Tel Aviv.
snip...
"P.S. Zapata Engineering, of course, is an offshoot of Zapata Oil. The same Zapata linked to Daddy Bush, British Permindex and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy on Nov. 22. 1963.
"HOW DARE YOU?
"YOU TYRANTS & CONSPIRATORIAL KINGS.
"P.P.S. It should be noted that the commander for the original invasion of Iraq was a Zionist Jew named Tommy Franks. Franks, of course, is the actual father of George W. Bush’s two alleged daughters.
November 25th, 2006 at 1:41 amFREEEEEEDOMMMMM
Blair warns SNP win could lead to break-up of United Kingdom
The Prime Minister has launched a pre-emptive strike against the Scottish National Party as he warned that an SNP victory in next year's elections would plunge Britain into a "constitutional nightmare".
He focused his fire on the nationalists days before the SNP attempts to strike a new blow against the Government's stance on Iraq at the end of the Queen's Speech debate on Monday.
More than 100 MPs have signed a joint SNP-Plaid Cymru amendment to the Queen's Speech calling on Mr Blair to come to the Commons with a new strategy for dealing with the Iraq crisis.
Also Bush was in the tabloid paper saying Scotland should not be free - THAT MEANS WE WANT FREEDOM MORE THAN EVER and we are winning by 55% as tp labour 35% and LIBS 10% ......... we hate conservatives in Scotland ............FREEEEEEEDOMMMMM
November 25th, 2006 at 5:57 amHey Thinkprogress, why not link us to your redeployment plan again and tell us that the presence of US forces is what is driing the civil war and that withdrawal will improve the situation.
Oh that's right... might be best not to mention that piece of fantasy for a while. Especially not in conjunction with a story where Iraqi soldiers oversaw Sunni worshippers being burned alive.
You remember the Iraqi Army right ? The guys you think handing nationwide security over will stem the civil war once US forces are withdrawn.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:29 amHey Thinkprogress, why not link us to your redeployment plan again and tell us that the presence of US forces is what is driing the civil war and that withdrawal will improve the situation.
Oh that's right... might be best not to mention that piece of fantasy for a while. Especially not in conjunction with a story where Iraqi soldiers oversaw Sunni worshippers being burned alive.
You remember the Iraqi Army right ? The guys you think handing nationwide security over will stem the civil war once US forces are withdrawn. Yeah them.
Maybe you could come up with a shorter snappier title for your redeployment plan. How about 'Rwanda II'.
November 25th, 2006 at 6:32 amThe Last Throes have never looked rosier...
November 25th, 2006 at 7:39 amShare,
If you happen to check back here, please list your source on Tommy Franks and the Bush Twins.
November 25th, 2006 at 8:18 amShare, never mind
November 25th, 2006 at 8:22 amNow there You have it. I feel that urgent need to make some statements regarding Adolf in general and fascism in specific. If You don't mind.
Robert and whoever shares his thoughts:
If it was beneficial, the US always pacted with 'Dictators'.
If it was 'beneficial' the US always supported the 'Right Wing Faction' of any country that had even a 'Social Democratic' government. Communist governments were 'evil' in the first place and needed to be uprootet. Hitlers fall cannot so much be attributed to the US engagement in WW II because until Pearl Harbor Adolf was pretty much able to do whatever his deluded mind did come up with. After Pearl Habor it was through the so called 'AXIS' between Germany, Italy and Japan, that the US was now at war with all members of said axis.
All the thousands of victims of Dictators in Central and South America never seemed to matter a whole lot. Once the US 'Conservatives' called somebody 'liberal' or ultimately 'Commie', life no longer had any value.
I know there is an 'Iraq Body Count'. Wouldn't it be desirable to have a 'US Body Count' that lists all the victims of 'US-friendly' Dictators in the 20th and 21st century?
November 25th, 2006 at 5:30 pmDon't get me wrong, the USA is a great country if it is not ruled by republicans. The Democratic USA always had deep and nourishing alliances all over the planet. It is the Democratic America that the world wants in its middle, not the republican one.
I had friends that delivered trucks from Germany to Baghdad in the eighties, even during the war with Iran. They always had stories about the hospitality of the Iraqis and stories about serious problems were limited to the Kurdish population in the north of Iraq. But even the Turkish army crossed the Iraqi border frequently to eliminate PKK fighters. I guess you would call those guys insurgents nowadays.
I believe all of our problems stem from the double/moral double/standard issue. As long as there is not one basic principle enforced: NO JUSTICE - NO PEACE there will be no peaceful coexcistence possible.
As for this administration is true: A cornered snake will bite. So nobody should expect the people who ran this country into its worst misery ever (to be denied by the lesser intellectually gifted...) will give up their positions without fight. Another 'Terrorist-Attack' would probably come handy...
Sorry for the lost 'red thread' but there was one earthquake and one night between the two parts of this post...