The Iraq Study Group co-chaired by former Secretary of State James Baker II has reached a consensus: it’s time to start a gradual withdrawal of U.S. troops, but not to do it on a specific timetable, …

How about the Iraqi casualty rate? Does it not count that hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis have been killed due to our illegal invasion of their soveregn nation? Does it not matter that we have turned the vast majority of Iraqis against us? I guess as long as the US casualties are relatively low, it doesn’t matter that what we’re doing over there is WRONG.

So, your view is that releasing nuclear plans on the public worldwide internet is no big deal.

It was also no big deal to give away 5+ metric tons of PETN, the stuff that shoe-bomber Richard Reid tried to use.

Either action is the definition of TREASON: “Section. 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in…adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

235 metric TONS of HMX and RDX, given away to hostiles through either treason or gross criminal negligence is EXACTLY like giving aid to our Enemies.

Tank,

If one calls what Colin Powell disclosed on the floor of the UN intelligence, Ian Fleming has to be prosecuted for disclosing so many details about Britain’s Secret Service. Facts and Fiction my dear.

Fact is: Iraq is a mess
Fact is: The current Administrations is responsible

You can throw around with lengthy posts all you want, you wont change the facts.

Since there was no personal abuse, profanity or racist remarks in that post I wonder what term or condition it was deleted under. Could be quite a few by my calculation. Pointing out that a plan which called for stemming the ethnic cleansing on Baghdad streets using the Navy from a position on the other side of the horizon ? Well that certainly wouldn’t get past this rule relating to what can be posted:
+ content … that is, racist … obscene, or that intentionally discriminates against or harasses particular individuals or groups.

I guess that’s why the Strategic Redeployment plan has to be hosted on another site. Can’t be posted here. The irony, it hurts.

Hey why not treat us to another story about Bush having discussion groups screened, editing reports, censoring criticism or the media not facing up to the tough questions. Hehe. Pussies.

I’m glad you’ve gone on record with your opinion that protecting top-secret information about nuclear weapons is MEANINGLESS.
Your view is that the Rosenbergs should never have been convicted, much less executed. You’re on record supporting spies and belittling the spread of nuclear weapons plans. And yet YOU, somehow, will lead us out into the light. HILARIOUS
Comment by Paul in LA — November 27, 2006 @ 11:42 pm

I’m certainly on record as being able to tell the difference between Iraq and the US. Something you just explained you’re having trouble with.

Anyway I’m sure they’ll get around to prosecuting Negroponte for leaking top secret classified intel right after they prosecute Colin Powell.
After all, he disclosed lots of intel about Iraq’s WMD programs on the floor of the UN to the whole world.

No word yet on what law if any they would be prosecuted under (is the Iraqi legal up to this?) but I’m sure you’ll send some emails around and let everyone in on the secret.

And here the whole world was thinking the “CIA leak investigation” involving “White House officials” related to Valerie Plame. You knew the truth all along though didn’t you. That’s why Colin had to go. He’s no doubt in hiding now. Sheesh.
Sharp as a marshmallow and twice as thick.

I’m glad you’ve gone on record with your opinion that protecting top-secret information about nuclear weapons is MEANINGLESS.

Your view is that the Rosenbergs should never have been convicted, much less executed. You’re on record supporting spies and belittling the spread of nuclear weapons plans. And yet YOU, somehow, will lead us out into the light. HILARIOUS

“I wasn’t aware I was required to “account” for these.”

You are. If you are going to suggest that our troops should continue to be misused in a booby-trapped nation building exercise by THESE clowns, like the C-in-C who released Hussein’s nuclear secrets to the world, or people like the former SecDef who failed to guard the high-explosives dumps, then you aren’t in reality.

You’re blowing smoke. We all know it. The plan in Iraq is no plan at all. We’re tired of you people wasting our troops. YOU, you don’t care how many of our troops die, so long as the ‘number’ looks OK to your way of viewing things. Nevermind their families — nevermind the massive crimes committed against them by their command.

Tank still hasn’t figured out how to account for • Providing Hussein’s top secret nuclear bomb plans, in Arabic, to anyone who has an internet connection in the world.

I wasn’t aware I was required to “account” for these. Not least of all because nobody I’ve been in a discussion with has mentioned them nor are they relevant to anything discussed. You’ve failed to account for Russia’s sputnik space program in the same way.

Is there any reason anyone would need to account for them ? The fact that they were classified does not grant them importance to anyone other than the host. The fact that Iraq couldn’t produce a working nuclear device using any plans they had, including these, should inform you as to just how pivotal these will be for the rest of the world.

Iraq had no viable nuclear designs. Hence these would be of use to a rogue nation who intends to be as much or less of a nuclear threat than Iraq was. Awesome. Go for gold kids.

Another point you’ve failed to appreciate is that a state obtaining viable nuclear designs really isn’t any major step in terms of them becoming a nuclear power.
Firstly it’s quite a laughable premise that would see them poised, Cheetos in hand, carefully watching the internet for years waiting for these to be divulged rather than just buying them instead of 20 odd years of chatting on MSM and playing online tetris to pass the time until now.
Secondly, the acquisition of enrichment facilities, scientists and a period of decades in which to first perfect enrichment then conduct this process is a far greater hurdle than obtaining these plans. Are you thinking someone is going to start now and might become a threat sometime after 2020 ? Or that they have already completed this and were just twiddling their thumbs until Iraq’s (Iraq’s) WMD plans became available. Please.
Iran was handed the most advanced uranium enrichment processing facilities that Europe had to offer complete assistance and directions and still couldn’t manage to construct or operate them.

Sorry, I’ve lost track of WTF the original concern was in regard to somebody who cannot achieve all these measures in regard to a viable nuclear weapons program. Oh year, the acquiring of nuke trigger plans off the internet for the detonation of the nuclear weapon you don’t and won’t have. Right. That.
Yeah piss your pants already. That’s just so significant.

That was WONDERFUL for our national security. How come Tank isn’t calling for an impeachment of all parties involved?

Sucking the Bushtit for all it’s worth– which ain’t much.

Ive got an idea.. instead of debating the arguable facts and questionably meaningful statistics why dont we make some future predictions and see whose pan out huh?

Yeah there’s an idea. After the prowess you’ve displayed so far with screwing up interpretation of pretty much everything including simple math why not use that as a basi for making predictions.
Maybe you could get some hobos together and form a think tank.

You can sit here and pontificate about how wonderful the trained iraqi soliders are…

WTF is wrong with you. The basis on which they were being discussed was that they existed. Why don’t you sit here and pontificate how wonderful the death squads are on the same basis.
It’s like ADHD High in here.

my prediction:

a) US military is going to get forced/thrown out of Iraq.
b) New Dictatorship will be restoring “order”.
c) International companies will start doing business with the Dictatorship immediately after the coup d’etat.
d)Money will continue to be made, innocents will continue to be slaughtered.

Nothing gained. So sad.

I mean argue all you want, in the end results speak louder than this mental circle jerk ever will.

I predict america is going to get it ass thoroughly handed to it in iraq, and its just a shame that we aren’t back in the days where the general rode at the front of the calvary, because if we did, the bordline retarded people at the head of our military would have to actually pay some real consequences for this gross midadventure. As it is, the poor smuck just trying to make a living or simply motivated by misguided but well meaning patriotism is the one paying the price with his life or limbs.

Actually, let me take that back.. bordline retarded isnt the right word for anyone in charge of the military but our commander-in-theif. Everyone else still in the upper circles just thinks they are much, much smarter than they really are. Anyone who thinks “USA can do anything!” (or that any country can do anything, for that matter), is seriously deluding themselves. We gave saddam the weapons and gas to deal with these guys so we didnt have to. Now we have to, and nothing good is going to come of it.

The “security forces” are never going to amount to squat, the iraqi government will disintigrate, and we will leave in discrace, probably only when congress hangs the threat of impeachment over bush’s head.

These things will happen. If you agree with my prediction, then our disagreement is pointless. If you disagree, well, you’re going to be proven wrong.

In the end, results and the ability to accurately predict the outcome of events matter more than talking about the past. The ability to project into the future is what separates us from lower forms of life. Some of us more than others :)

Why dont you start?

I predict these guys in Iraq are going to tear themselves apart. I predict it wont be long before everyone is wishing Saddam was back.

You can sit here and pontificate about how wonderful the trained iraqi soliders are doing , then they can’t even repel attacks with US assistance, but in the end, only the future will show us whose right.