CQ Analyst Suggests ‘Rumsfeld’s Leaving Is Just The Beginning,’ Cheney Might Be Next
CQ Analyst Suggests ‘Rumsfeld’s Leaving Is Just The Beginning,’ Cheney Might Be Next
Appearing on MSNBC this afternoon, Congressional Quarterly political analyst Craig Crawford speculated that, as “neocons are heading for the hills,” Dick Cheney may be the next to leave the administration. He claimed the Vice President’s “authority is waning, if not gone.” “And my point is why would he want to stick around in this environment?” he asked. “All I’m seeing is a man getting isolated more and more.” Watch it:
Transcript:
CRAWFORD: Again, I gotta ask, where does that leave Dick Cheney if the neocons are heading for the hills. Where does he end up in this administration?
MATTHEWS: I know what he does. He moves out to the eastern shore of Maryland and waits there like [indecipherable] with a gun. And he waits until the next administration comes into office. If it’s a Republican administration — like McCain — he has a lot of influence. If it’s a Democratic administration, he starts coming on programs like this. He won’t be on this show, but like this.
CRAWFORD: I still wonder if he stays in this administration for the full term here. I really wonder if Rumsfeld’s leaving is just the beginning.
MATTHEWS: Well, who is showing up with the Ryder truck at his home. Who’s gonna get him out?
CRAWFORD: He has to make the choice himself. He can’t be fired, technically, under the Constitution.
MATTHEWS: Why would he leave?
HARWOOD: As Bill Clinton once said, the Constitution makes him relevant for at least the two years. I don’t think he will go anywhere.
CRAWFORD: My point is I don’t know why he’d want to stick around.
MATTHEWS: He has assumed an awful lot of authority under this President.
CRAWFORD: I know, and that authority is waning, if not gone. And my point is why would he want to stick around in this environment? He might just choose to leave.
MATTHEWS: Let me check this. I rarely do this on the show. Are you teasing? Are you — do you actually think there’s a reasonable plausible case for this Vice President to give up all the power he enjoys as the President’s first counsel?
CRAWFORD: Not if he doesn’t enjoy it anymore. I mean all I’m seeing is the man getting isolated more and more. This seems to be his most vulnerable position in the entire Bush administration.
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The reality is that Cheney’s been “gone” for a long time…years, in fact….mentally, that is.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:30 pm[Cheney] might just choose to leave.
Really? VP Cheney, would choose to leave!? Wouldn’t that be unprecedented?
I have got to see this one happening. Until then, I will abstain from further comment.
My very skeptical two cents…
November 27th, 2006 at 4:32 pmHead for the hills indeed… I’d say he’s gone. They’ll spin it as a noble retreat on Dick’s part… More likely he’s getting ready to defend himself against a war crimes charge.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:32 pmI highly doubt Cheney would give up his position voluntarily….ever.
I do like how Matthews refers to his job as a “show” and not a “news program” or something like that. Kind of tells you something or at least me. But he is correct it is just a show.
MATTHEWS: Let me check this. I rarely do this on the show.
MATTHEWS: ………If it’s a Democratic administration, he starts coming on programs like this. He won’t be on this show, but like this.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:34 pmThis picture of the neocons heading for the hills is bogus. If you read carefully what they are saying, nothing much has changed. They still believe the same crazy stuff as always. They have recently admitted to some problems with execution, but the PNAC plan is still very much in place. Cheney isn’t going anywhere, and the plan to attack Iran continues to move forward.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:34 pmI’ll tell you why he will not leave.
Even though as Mr. Crawford states - “Cheney is a man getting isolated more and more.â€
They have already decided to “stay the course” and “dig in” and the person even more isolated then Cheney is BUSH himself.
Do you really think Cheney could leave George all alone in the big white house? What if he gets supoened? Who will tell him the answers?
Who will hold his hand?
November 27th, 2006 at 4:37 pmWould he be less isolated if he quit? It sure doesn’t look like a good time to return to Halliburton.
If Chains sees his influence waning, isn’t it better to just recede into his bunker, emerge for the occasional speaking tour, and claim the VP spot isn’t worth a warm bucket of spit, as John Nance Garner once said?
November 27th, 2006 at 4:40 pmIf all the vice presidents who had little or no influence had resigned, we’d have had precious few of them. Don’t forget John Nance Garner’s “The vice presidency isn’t worth a pitcher of warm [he didn’t really say spit but oh well].”
November 27th, 2006 at 4:42 pmIf Cheney quits, will they put Dubya in charge?
November 27th, 2006 at 4:44 pmLies. Filthy lies.
They’re testing the waters for possible reactions when it doesn’t happen.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:44 pmSo basically his power level is the same as every other vice president. Welcome to the job, DICK!
November 27th, 2006 at 4:44 pmAmerica’s Least Wanted
Agreed. Talk of Cheney leaving for political reasons is ridiculous. He might pull a Spiro Agnew though - that is be forced to resign the vice presidency due to criminal charges.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:45 pmYeah right, the ol’ deadeye aint gonna just up and quit. Do Vice Presidents just up and quit?
November 27th, 2006 at 4:52 pmI predict that by January 2009, Bush, Cheney, and the whole cabinet will be gone!
November 27th, 2006 at 5:05 pmI could see VP Cheney stepping aside to groom a candidate for the next Pres. elections. Right now though the wounds are too fresh and nobody is willing to step into that spot. Wouldn’t be suprised if this happens in April or May.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:08 pm#12 - that or, for “health” reasons.
Pacemakers don’t last forever…
November 27th, 2006 at 5:08 pmThere has always been speculation that the only way Cheney convinced bush to allow him on the ticket was to promise that he would resign in the second term to allow the repubs to put their number one candidate into the VP spot and have a leg up on “experience” when running in ‘08. I don’t see that changing at this point.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:09 pmI think the report is correct…I have thought for a long time that the party would want Cheney to go toward the end in order to place a presumptive “incumbent” in the ‘08 race (perhaps Condoleeza Rice?) to get him/her a leg up since this would be the first election in about 50 years without an incumbent Pres or VP running.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:11 pmCheney could resign. After all, he won’t be Rummy to protect him anymore and the two of them have been joined at the hip since the Nixon days. Funny, Cheney bought property in St. Michael’s MD next to Rummy’s new place. There may be more to their relationship than the press makes public.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:17 pmIt sounds too good to be true, but perhaps this is really why he was in Saudi Arabia… to stake claim to some form of position with his real masters and to secure a hiding spot when the investigations come crashing in.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:18 pmCold and logical, makes quite a bit of sense. If they Impeach and convict Bush and Cheney, welcome President Pelosi. If they replace Cheney with someone less tainted yet equally as controllable as Bush, then you’ve got a shot at locking up the presidency for at least two years, plus two full terms in ‘08 and ‘12.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:19 pmCris says,
Pearle Mesta was a celebrated Washington hostess in the fifties. I really don’t get the reference, but he definitely said Pearle Mesta.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:23 pmMore and more isolated? Since when has he ever been accessible?
Smarter pundits please!
November 27th, 2006 at 5:23 pmSoutWest Bob and RP - you may be correct in your assumptions. The Repubs may think it will give them an opportunity to place another Repub in a position to be elected as President in ‘08. I must say, though, it will take a miracle for the Repubs to gain the trust of the majority of Americans again. So let them put in Condi… she may be intelligent but she has no credibility or street smarts.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:26 pmhallichainy will be too busy counting his stock option $$$$$$$$$$$ to be bothered with the veep position….sitting on his ranch, oiling his benelli, looking for lawyers, counting the nearly $110 MILLION he has made while in office…..
eh?
November 27th, 2006 at 5:27 pmCheck out Craig Crawford’s bizarre (drunken?) performance on the morning of the election on Imus’ show. Claiming political independence and loathing for Lamont in one breath. If anyone’s power is on the wane, it’s the turgid Craig Crawford. Blah.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:28 pmOh yeah, and will Cheney resign? On the one hand, he would find it much more difficult to refuse to testify before congressional committees on the basis of executive privilege. On the other hand, I remember reading somewhere back when Rumsfeld “resigned” (has it really only been a couple of weeks?) that as a civilian he couldn’t be compelled to testify. His decision will, IMO, be based on avoiding having to testify.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:30 pmThe SOB will never leave. He will strike back by starting another war. This will keep Shrub in office (A la FDR 3rd term while at war) which means it will keep Darth Cheney in office so he can give no-bid contracvts to Haliburton for Iraqi oil concessions.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:31 pmI doubt if Cheney is going anywhere. But people forget that the office of the VP has no inherent authority. If Bush got pissed off at Cheney, he could demote him down to his Constitutional functions: he gets to preside over the Senate, break tie votes, and wait for the President to die, and nothing else. He could take away Cheney’s staff, even his security clearance.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:38 pmHe’ll be there until the end. He and Bush will leave the WH together, leaving the hazardous team to de-stench the place. It will take days to sanitize it.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:41 pmCheney doesn’t have a functional heart—literally or figuratively. But I don’t think he’ll leave unless they take him out in a box.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:50 pm[…] Nah, I don’t believe it. Obviously it would make a lot of sense, but that has never figured greatly into the Bush decision making process. […]
November 27th, 2006 at 5:50 pmyeah, sure sounds like a faux news feed to me……………..
November 27th, 2006 at 5:53 pm(maybe he was visiting “the family” in Saudi Arabia, seeing if their favorite black sheep has any spare caves available…)
Cheney will not go. Rumsfeld wouldn’t have left unless Bush fired him. Cheney is constitutionally protected here.
Guys like Cheney and Rummy thrive on power, so they will cling to whatever they have for as long as they can. Without it, they are just out to pasture.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:57 pmBut…. Isn’t Cheny doing a Heckuva job?
Seriously, there isn’t one person in that administration that the Republicans would not sacrifice in an instant if it meant a lot more votes in the next election. The sad thing is that no more are needed. Possibly, if they forced Bush to resign they might win votes, but I think it would be too little too late and would start a domino effect that they probably can’t afford right now. The next two years is damage control folks. They will be reacting to the Democrats and pushing their policies when they think no one is looking, but since Bush can’t run (short of an invasion of United States soil I don’t think he can justify postponing elections) whoever the Republicans can find for their next presidential candidate is going to get most of their attention.
The Republicans fear looking weak more than they fear looking evil, so my guess is that Cheney will stay. They’ll get rid of Bush first. If they get rid of either of them, it will validate everything the Democrats have been saying about them. Right now, they still have deniability. Anyone with a brain will see right through it, but the other 80% will let him off the hook.
November 27th, 2006 at 5:58 pmDon’t tease us like this…
Cheney isn’t going anywhere by choice. Suggesting otherwise is just plain cruel.
November 27th, 2006 at 6:07 pmI could see Georgie leaving before I could see “Dick” leaving.
This is a red herring.
November 27th, 2006 at 6:08 pmDon’t forget, Chaney’s got a gun and knows how to use it against wingless, hapless animals.
November 27th, 2006 at 6:09 pmIMPEACH BOTH NAZIS TODAY
November 27th, 2006 at 6:12 pmCheney is the all that’s keeping Bush from getting impeached. President Cheney is the only thing scarier than President Bush…
November 27th, 2006 at 6:32 pmHe’s been so damned discreditted only a fool would remain. I therefore predict Cheney will remain to the bitter end.
November 27th, 2006 at 6:42 pmPerhaps the new majority will put the flame to Cheney’s involvement
November 27th, 2006 at 6:52 pmwith ‘intelligence’ manipulation and the rush to war with Iraq…Should Cheney resign in an attempt to avoid investigation, ala Susan Ralston, former Abramoff and then White House senior assistant…the demand for further lighting of the subject SHOULD be shrill.
If Cheney leaves who is in charge?
And by the way where has Condi been the past week or so?
This Admin. has been ominously silent except for turkey talk this past week….someone must be readjusting the strings of the grinning puppet.
November 27th, 2006 at 6:54 pmSpiro Agnew was Dick Nixon’s VP… he resigned in 1973… got the “greatest deal since the Lord spared Isaac on the mountaintop” for his scandalous behavior.
Cheney might want to quit before Halliburton, the Energy Task Force and torture become indictable!
November 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pmThe original was a bucket of warm piss, but they made him change it.
November 27th, 2006 at 7:12 pmDick Cheney leaving…not likely..
November 27th, 2006 at 7:17 pmThese guys are not finished yet…next up..IRAN.
Even the moderates of the Democratic Party support action ie; a bombing campaign against supposed nuclear facilities perhaps via Israel.
This will happen in the next 6 months.
My suggestion…buy oil futures…
The smart move would be for Cheney to resign and shrub appoint McCain. McCain supports sending in more troops to Iraq and sets him up for his 2008 run. However, the rethugs aren’t that smart.
November 27th, 2006 at 7:45 pmCheney’s main job right now is to save his own ass, and he has to stay in as VP to carry out that vital mission.
November 27th, 2006 at 7:57 pmDon’t take the Dick.
I certainly wouldn’t.
November 27th, 2006 at 8:02 pm1/Cheney thinks he gets more legal protection as Veep as far as investigations so he might stick around as Veep just strictly for those purposes. If nothing else, just to let time run out.
November 27th, 2006 at 8:55 pm2/If,that’s a big if with current Democrats, stuff gets really really bad for Dubbya Inc. then they might throw Cheney over just so that the story eats up a bunch of oxygen while they buy some time to either develop another story or another story actually develops.
#18 - RP,
November 27th, 2006 at 9:19 pmWhat about 1956((Eisenhower), 1964(Johnson), 1972(Nixon), 1980(Carter), 1984(Reagan), 1988(Reagan), 1992(Bush 41), 1996(Clinton), 2000(Gore) and 2004(Bush 43)?
He won’t resign because he couldn’t be replaced. A quick read of the constitution shows they will need a majority in both houses to confirm an appointment. Ain’t no way condi will get a majority in the house.
Amendment XXV - Presidential Disability and Succession. Ratified 2/10/1967. Note History
1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
November 27th, 2006 at 10:23 pmHe won’t resign because he couldn’t be replaced. A quick read of the constitution shows they will need a majority in both houses to confirm an appointment. Ain’t no way condi will get a majority in the house.
November 27th, 2006 at 10:25 pmI think Cheney would shoot bush himself and take the presidency before he’d leave in disgrace. Honestly I keep waiting for it to happen. He’s evil.
November 27th, 2006 at 10:37 pmSigh, such rotten media distortion - John Nance Garner chewed tobacco. He had a bucket of warm spit right next to him all day long. He pissed in a toilet, like most folks. It was reported as ’spit’ and everbody since has assumed people were cleanin’ up John Nance’s talking, but tain’t so.
As for Cheney, you forget - the VP has big perks, free health care, armed bodyguards - and he really doesn’t _have to work for this anymore. He could spend the next two years in an undisclosed location with his lawyers and shotguns. Besides, this is a guy who believes Nixon’s big mistake was Giving Up, both on Vientnam and impeachment.
November 27th, 2006 at 10:50 pmcheney, as you know can not be legally fired,but bush can privatly
November 27th, 2006 at 11:05 pmdemand his resignation in the hope that he can avoid criminal
charges by seeking a pardon from the new veep as nixon was
pardoned by ford.
If Cheney is compelled to testify at Libby’s trial next spring, he’s gone.
November 27th, 2006 at 11:35 pmIt makes me giddy, the thought of it.
But I realize it’s just a wet dream - - WAY too good to be true.
November 27th, 2006 at 11:53 pmThe Teardown of the Republican’s in the House was the opening shot of a somewhat delayed process of getting rid of both Cheney and Bush. Neither are acceptable since the White House turned into a cult of the absurd shortly after 911. They were supposed to be gone in 2004 but this crew had the audacity to steal the election. It’s time for them to go and go soon. Watch for a “reasonable” choice for VP when Cheney leaves due to “health concerns. Then the hammer wil fall on *. Something like the Congressoinal teardown will start, Bush will have his chance to quit, and, if he fails, his fate will be sealed through a series of devastating and humiliating releases of long known stories. The people who gave him $60 million to start his 2000 primary campaign are, no doubt, pissed. Absent a money back option, they’ll take a pound o flesh.
November 28th, 2006 at 1:39 amsome officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove nucleur weapons from the table. Sounds very serious, kos has two stories and link to Agence France Presse reports that the April 17 issue of The New Yorker magazine carries a story on US plans for a massive bombing campaign against Iran, possibly including the use of nuclear weapons.:
http://www.afp.com/ english/ news/ stories/ 060408061934.4a…
…The former intelligence officials depicts planning s “enormous,” “hectic” and “operational,” Hersh writes….
…But the former senior intelligence official said the attention given to the nuclear option has created serious misgivings inside the military, and some officers have talked about resigning after an attempt to remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans in Iran failed, according to the report. …
…”There are very strong sentiments within the military against brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries,” the magazine quotes the Pentagon adviser as saying….The adviser warned that bombing Iran could provoke “a chain reaction” of attacks on American facilities and citizens throughout the world and might also reignite Hezbollah….
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/8/5455/68307
S. Hersch: U.S. Considers Using Nuclear Weapons on Iran
…Update I failed to realize this at first but some officers tried and failed to get the nuclear option taken off the table. I think that is 1) scary and 2) speaks volumes about its feasibility. What I want to know is, who is pushing for it?
November 28th, 2006 at 2:21 amI could see VP Cheney stepping aside to groom a candidate for the next Pres. elections.
uhhmm. im going to have to disagree here. I can’t see anyone with political ambitions doing anything but running as far away from Bush as possible.. right now I’d say endorsement by Dubya is pretty much the kiss of death..
November 28th, 2006 at 3:07 amSo the neocons get a blank-slate puppet president installed for a few terms, get him to start lotsa truly messed-up trouble (while they secure their big contracts with their friends and allies in the “messed-up trouble” business), and then cut & run, leaving the lame duck to be shot down by the public and feasted upon by the media? Can I get a “Mission Accomplished”?
November 28th, 2006 at 3:49 amCheney wil not leave. He can still have his finger in all sorts of behind-the-scenes moneymaking opportunities for him and his cronies (including Rumsfeld, who can still make a buck from this administration), seemingly little things that the media won’t focus on. . . .
For example, who has stock in the bird flu vaccine? If the administration pushes the dangers of bird flu, doesn’t that stock go up?
Inquiring minds want to know. . . .
November 28th, 2006 at 4:49 am#51 Walt - All of those contests involved a sitting President or Vice President - which was #18’s point.
Eisenhower vs. Stevenson 56 (Eisenhower PRes.)
November 28th, 2006 at 6:43 amKennedy v Nixon 60 (Nixon was VP)
Johnson v Goldwater 64 (Johnson wsa Pres.)
Humphrey v Nixon 68 (Humphrey was VP)
Nixon v McGovern 72 (Nixon was PRes)
Ford v Carter 76 (Ford was Pres)
Carter v Reagan 80 (Carter was Pres)
Reagan v Mondale 84 (Reagan was Pres)
Bush v Dukakis 88 (Bush was VP)
Bush v Clinton 92 (Bush was Pres)
Clinton v Dole 96 (Clinton was Pres)
Gore v Bush 00 (Gore was VP)
Bush v Kerry 04 (Bush was PRes)
Hold on a minute. Who exactly is elbowing Cheney out of the picture? Bush? Is he strong and decisive enough to do that? Does someone else have Bush’s ear?
It’s hard to accept that Cheney is isolated until we know who exactly is isolating him.
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November 28th, 2006 at 6:56 amOpEdNews.com
Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please, Oh Please!
November 28th, 2006 at 7:32 amDoes Cheney cast the deciding vote in his own impeachment?
November 28th, 2006 at 7:32 amImpeachment requires a two-thirds majority.
Ain’t gonna happen neither.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:04 amI’ll believe it when I see it.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:17 amChris Matthews sez……
That Dick Cheney won’t be on his show after the current administration ends.
Is that Matthews’ reading of Cheney’s choice of programming? Or is……
November 28th, 2006 at 8:17 amI cannot even pretend to understand th mind of the Dick, but I doubt he would leave unless it is for reasons of maintaining Rethug power.
Come January, Jeb will be available to be VP!
OMG, I just made myself sick. I may throw up a little.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:19 amI have read elsewhere that Cheney would resign and McCain would become Veep. Then McCain could run more easily for Prez in ‘08. Bush and McCain don’t care much for each other. Jeb as a veep. Gag me!
November 28th, 2006 at 9:11 am#64 - DanF,
November 28th, 2006 at 9:49 amYou’re correct. I first interpreted it as the flip side. Sorry, my mistake.
They got rid of V.P. AGNEW on a money charge,and he pleaded NO CONTEST, before we knew NIXON was on his way
out, and quit before he was impeached.
Is there a pattern here? Ford replaced Agnew.Who will replace
November 28th, 2006 at 9:49 amBush? Condi Rice?
He’ll be there until the end. He and Bush will leave the WH together, leaving the hazardous team to de-stench the place. It will take days to sanitize it.
Comment by Anon1 — November 27, 2006 @ 5:41 pm
hmmm days?! that’s a bit optimistic isn’t it?
November 28th, 2006 at 10:00 amIf Cheney were to resign, there will be no VP replacement that the Democrats in the House and Senate would approve, so the office will be vacant until Jan, 2009.
Who would Bush pick anyway besides McCain, the Joe Lieberman of the Republican Party? He currently is the Republican with the most favorable rating among Democrats, which is not saying much. But as a potential presidential candidate, the Democrats would never go for a VP McCain.
But, why would dick, the Bush puppeteer leave anyway? He only has power as long as he stays, so he will not leave, at least not willingly, even if he becomes completely isolated from the GOP.
There is still more money to be looted from Iraq and the U.S. taxpayers. Because of that, there is still too much evidence that needs shreading, and there are still too many witnesses that need paying off. Cheney has two years left to cover his tracks, but the Democrats are going hunting starting this January, and when do, they won’t be drunk and they won’t just aim for the face.
If you want Cheney as well as Bush out of the White House, you will have to kick them out. The only way that could be possible would be to create a massive, continuous 24/7 non-violent siege, with hundreds of thousands of protesters completely surrounding the White House and Congress.
Only a non-violent, civil disobedient siege demanding the simultaneous resignations of Both Bush and Cheney will get them to leave before their term expires.
With the amount of political apathy in the U.S., Bush/Cheney would have to do something completely outrageous for this scenerio to take place. That’s why they will not nuke or invade Iran or another country, and why they will not create a national emergency to suspend the 2008 elections.
Cheney is going nowhere soon. But fear not, because eventually, he will be going to hell to be reunited with his heart.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:28 am[…] A senior columnist for the inside-the-beltway publication Congressional Quarterly speculated on MSNBC’s Hardball this afternoon that Vice President Richard B. Cheney may be the next to exit the Bush Administration, a report first caught by ThinkProgress. ThinkProgress has the video here. Link […]
November 28th, 2006 at 10:45 amCheney will resign for “health reasons” before the end of the year. While there is still a Republican majority in the House & Senate Bush is free to name anyone he wants as VP. There are many nightmare candidates to fill Chaney’s shoes. How about Jeb?
Poppy thinks Jeb would make a great president. Nothing like your brother resigning while under impeachment hearings to elevate you to the Presidency.
How about Condi? Hasn’t she risen beyond the level of her incompetence? She did such a fine job advising the president on security matters in 2001. She’s such a fine diplomat that we are overwhelmed by the outpouring of international goodwill. And nobody could have imagined that terrorists would fly a plane into the WTC.
How about McCain? He capitulated to Bush on the Military Commissions Act and actively suppported the elimination of Habeus Corpus. He’s a bigger war-hawk than Bush & Cheney combined. He’s older than Reagan in office.
How about Jeff Gannon? Nah… not even the Republicans in Congress would approve of Jeff Gannon as VP…
November 28th, 2006 at 11:28 amBecause I have the touch of the Extreme Conspiracy Theorist in me, and partly because I will seem brilliant if proven right, here is my prediction…
Early in 07, Cheney will resign due to undefined “health reasons.” Will be replaced by Condi.
Late ‘07, early ‘08, there will be an attempt on Bush’s life. If it’s not successful, it will be close, and a decision will be made for the mentally dimished Bush (stop snickering) to step down, again for “health reaons.” As a result, his popularity will actually increase to the 50s,’cause you can’t hate a man once a bullet has rendered him (officially) a retard. And despite the great wailing and gnashing of teeth by the more misogynistic members of the GOP, Condi will become the President, and shows like Tucker Carlson will think it’s amusing/interesting to have Geena Davis on to ask her opinion on how the situation sorta kinda but not really parallels her failed series “Commander in Chief.” And Lifetime will run a “CiC” marathon, because they’re funny like that.
Once she’s in place, every day Condi doesn’t destroy the world, the right-wing spin machine will make it seem like she’s a brilliant tactician, thereby testing the waters for her ‘08 run. Late in the game, sure, but the GOP sharks will hope that it also throws the Democrats off their game. After all, poor li’l Condi was thrust into the most important job in the world (next to being a mother, you’re right, sorry Oprah). She could generate an enormous uprising of sympathy from moderates and even liberals who, while unhappy she’s so firmly entrenched with big business, might be happy to see a minority female in the big chair. Rush & Sean will constantly make the claim that Dems MUST be racist & sexist to not want Condi to keep the job she’s performed SO admirably for the past few months under intense media scruitny (not intense from THEM mind you, but intense).
From there, I can’t tell who wins. The Dems will be tempted to run Hillary or Pelosi, despite the animosity they generate outside the party (and even within) purely because of their gender, to at least TRY to minimize the impact of Condi’s presence. And if she manages to get McCain behind her, any hope of Dems getting the White House back in 08 is toast.
The sad thing is, I see this happening quite clearly. As if…it would have been planned by forces within the GOP who see this situation as SO dire, it may be the only hope they have of making a win in 08 a sure thing, and we all know how much the GOP prefers sure things.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:31 am#6 - Do you really think Cheney could leave George all alone in the big white house? What if he gets supoened? Who will tell him the answers?
Good answer. Dick is in the thick of it, and he can’t leave. Not because he doesn’t want to, but because he knows that Bush is easily influenced by the strongest personality who has access to him: God forbid a strong personality takes Cheney’s place and recommends a path that sheds light on past activity…
November 28th, 2006 at 11:56 amMy bet is that he’ll stay. The senate, while nominally dem controlled, is very close to being split. One dem voting with the repugs (yeah, I’m lookin’ at you Lieberman), and Cheney gets to cast the deciding vote.
What little actual power a VP has, that’s it, but it’s not insignificant.
Now, if only someone could just convince Cheney that he should resign so he can try and foment a revolution in Mexico, then the deja vu would be complete. After all, he’s already shot someone.
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November 28th, 2006 at 12:42 pmIf he doesn’t leave, then we should remove him, along with his crony boss. They should then be jailed to await their trial for war crimes and treason. Then, the appropriate action should be administered to them for those crimes. Finally, we should begin the hard work of undoing the damage these two criminals have perpetuated on the world.
November 28th, 2006 at 1:02 pmCheney won’t leave, but the stress of the investigations and his inability to get anything past the Democratic congress may find him “unhealthy.”
November 28th, 2006 at 1:32 pmChaney is not leaving. I can’t believe anyone would even begin to believe this guy. It’s wishful thinking at best. Next he’ll say Bush will resign and leave Nancy in charge.
November 28th, 2006 at 1:37 pmImpeach the evil ones. If there is a hell, these two (bush and cheney)will definitely be in charge once they expire.
November 28th, 2006 at 1:45 pmI hear Matthews is quiting.
November 28th, 2006 at 2:13 pmCheney will not leave until the trail of guilt gets too close (to Bush); daddy (George Sr) will make sure of this. Then Cheney will take the fall, and be replaced by a George Sr loyalist who can be counted on for the pardon (al la Nixon and Ford).
Unfortunately, it will take a years for that trail to be followed; I can’t believe they are still out there, but there are still 31% who will follow George to do anything. They would probably even help Bush and Cheney do a “7 Days in May”. This certainly proves that we need to spend more time educating people on the Consititution.
For George and the 31%: con sta 2 shun
November 28th, 2006 at 2:32 pmRead it sometime.
The indecipherable was “like Perle Mesta with a gun”.
Here’s a little something on her:
Wikipedia: Perle Mesta
Matthews’ use of the name was just insufferably precious.
And the rest of you folks have already said everything there is to say on this thread, so that’s all for me.
November 28th, 2006 at 3:11 pmReset of the embedded link - I forgot the http etc:
Wikipedia: Perle Mesta
November 28th, 2006 at 3:15 pmSo Cheney, whose entire professional life has centered on bureacratic maneuvering, is suddenly going to fold his tent because of….. What? An unfriendly “environment”?!?!? Add this Crawford clown to the list of Beltway gasbags who pull talking points out of their colons, just to fill airtime. This is idiotic.
November 28th, 2006 at 3:34 pmWhy would Cheney leave early? To catch an early flight to Saudia Arabia before the Truth about 9/11 explodes.
November 28th, 2006 at 3:39 pmCheney will go and John McCain will step in!
November 28th, 2006 at 5:10 pmThe 25th Amendment to the Constitution was designed to bypass the intentions of the original framers - that a populist (selected by the majority party - speaker of the house) would ascend to the Presidency should both the President and Vice President pass away. That Amendment should have been written so the laws of succession were consistent with what the framers intended. In the current structure, if either of them croaks, the survivor selects his successor.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:27 pm[…] That could be why CQ’s Craig Crawford thinks Cheney will resign. If so, there goes Bush’s impeachment insurance. […]
November 28th, 2006 at 6:24 pmJust for a bit of perspective, can you tell us how many times this same individual, while wearing the exact same tie, predicted that Karl Rove was either going to be sacked or charged ?
November 28th, 2006 at 9:10 pmInstead, Tank, he has been thoroughly debunked. I guess suit and tie guy was wrong.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:42 pmCheney will be confronted with very demanding suppoena-like requests from investigatious Dems, he will go over the edge resisting these, and consequently be held in contempt of congress. He will give his classic response of the middle finger kind, and then be prompty inmeshed in impeachment proceedings. Bush, the elder, will intervene forcing Cheney to resign over bad health(GOP leaders will demand it be so), and bush, the idiot, will be told by others to quickly pardon Cheney of any alleged crimes against the state and anybody else he’s tried to eliminate. Then, a proposed winner in ‘08 will be brought in to fill the void(if that’s possible). The younger will be forced to pardon Libby and Rove and Cheney before retiring back into total insignificance in Crawford or some other preserve for the criminally incompetent. cdk
November 28th, 2006 at 10:12 pmI’ll believe it when I see it.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:16 pmI think it is plausible that Cheney would leave. In October there were some quiet rumbles about Rummy going, and so long!
Cheney loves power and he has less of it now without Rumsfeld and Congress behind him, plus he’s not able to use fear as much to get people behind him.
Bush2 is so obviously flailing under Cheney’s tutelage that Daddy’s crew (Bush1, Baker, Gates, Kissinger, and maybe Scowcroft) is taking over. Bush2 has finally kind of gotten used to actually being President and is probably realizing that he’s becoming an historical laughingstock. Shedding Cheney will be easy.
So, who’s in line to be President for the next 9-10 years (in their dreamworld)? Jeb Bush? John McCain? Giuliani? They are all horrible, but McCain seems the least bad. At least he’s served in the military and has a modicum of honor left. Giuliani is an authoritarian who chases the cameras and hogs credit for blown up but mostly flimsy accomplishments. Jeb is more evil and competent than Shrub.
It doesn’t matter, all of them are profiting quite handsomely from their investments in military materiel and services via Carlyle Group, Haliburton, and KBR, as well as their oil and oil services investments and gigs. The war mongering leading to crises inflates the revenues from energy and guns. Their kids aren’t dying, and their investments are ballooning from the situation. We were wrong saying ‘no blood for oil;’ more accurately it is: ‘no blood for less oil (higher pump prices).’
Good riddance scarey Dick Cheney. He was creepy around 9/11/01 and we’re safer with him away from the button.
Let the Repugs choose their next candidate now, so the Democrats can run polls against the VP and pick their most winnable opponent. Plus, this maneuvering will further cement George2 as even lamer duck.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:23 amWhile Crawford’s right about Cheney’s power waning, just think what little power he would have should he resign: even less.
My assessment of Cheney: He seemed to make quite a remarkable “comeback” into public life with the somewhat convoluted vice presidential selection process he ran for George Walker Bush that resulted in him…virtually selecting himelf.
Cheney seems to crave power. And, while that power may be less than he would like, for now, and may be less than he may have wielded in the recent past, as long as there is the remotest possibility of the need for him to replace Bush for whatever reason, neither he nor his equally power-addicted wife would want to let go of that potentiality.
While this American would greatly welcome the resignation of Cheney or any other member of our unelected government in Washington, it just does not seem in character for a power-craving person like Cheney to give up what remaining power he may have left…for even less.
November 29th, 2006 at 9:49 amMy best guess is Cheney will step aside to let George Bush senior take over the vice presidency for the remaining months of this term. Bush senior has considerable experience in this role already and since he only served for one term as president would be eligible for another. I’m picking up a lot of evidence suggesting that Bush senior will run in 08. He’s looking fitter than ever and remains in excellent health, unlike Cheney whose heart is in a bad state. Crawford is absolutely spot on with this. Watch this space.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:29 pmNo Enzo, McCain has no honor left. He let Bush get away with Torture and continue to get away with it even now without a peep. He is a miserable little coward.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:20 pmNo, we do not want Dick Insaney gone before 2008. Then Lord Mush could annoint an electable successor. Let him go down with the ship and stay there but not until January 2009.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:38 pmIf Edgar Bergen leaves, I certainly hope he takes Charlie McCarthy with him.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:57 pmCould the rumors be true, Cheney leaving and McCain taking his place? A set up for a sure election win in 2008??? Damn, I hope not!!!
November 29th, 2006 at 8:34 pmDick Chaney can’t quit… he’s the secret service… keeping Bush from being assassinated… no one in their right mind would promote him up to promote him to president :P
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December 28th, 2006 at 12:29 am[…] MSNBC: Craig Crawford: “I still wonder if [Cheney] stays in this administration for the full term here. I really wonder if Rumsfeld’s leaving is just the beginning. [11/27/06] […]
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