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]]> By: thomasfortenberry.net » Blog Archive » The Iraq War of Bad Terminology http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1456458 thomasfortenberry.net » Blog Archive » The Iraq War of Bad Terminology Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:19:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1456458 [...] Here is a choice excerpt. I’ve been laughing my ass off for weeks now, because of something I saw on Fox News. With their usual oafish delivery of spittal, a Fox News mouthpiece called the Iraq Civil War, “snowballing sectarian violence.” This was after Tony Snow rejected public calls to use the “civil war” label, choosing instead “sectarian violence operations.” So the choice wording of “snowballing” just cracked me up. [...] [...] Here is a choice excerpt. I’ve been laughing my ass off for weeks now, because of something I saw on Fox News. With their usual oafish delivery of spittal, a Fox News mouthpiece called the Iraq Civil War, “snowballing sectarian violence.” This was after Tony Snow rejected public calls to use the “civil war” label, choosing instead “sectarian violence operations.” So the choice wording of “snowballing” just cracked me up. [...]

]]> By: ΝΟΗΤΙΚΗ ΑΝΤΙΣΤΑΣΙΣ - www.N-A.gr - Αποκαλύπτουμε την Νέα Τάξη στην Ελλάδα και Ï http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1391578 ΝΟΗΤΙΚΗ ΑΝΤΙΣΤΑΣΙΣ - www.N-A.gr - Αποκαλύπτουμε την Νέα Τάξη στην Ελλάδα και Ï Fri, 05 Jan 2007 18:37:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1391578 [...] • Think Progress: Οι περισσότεροι οργανισμοί ειδήσεων που πρόσκεινται στο Λευκό Οίκο δεν αποκαλούν τον εμφύλιο πόλεμο στο Ιράκ “εμφύλιο πόλεμο” - Παρατίθενται αρκετά παραδείγματα από το Fox News, το CNN, την New York Times, την Boston Globe, την USA Today, την Washington Post κλπ. - Εδώ είναι που φαίνεται η αξία του Διαδικτύου και γιατί σύντομα θα προσπαθήσουν να το φιμώσουν! [...] [...] • Think Progress: Οι περισσότεροι οργανισμοί ειδήσεων που πρόσκεινται στο Λευκό Οίκο δεν αποκαλούν τον εμφύλιο πόλεμο στο Ιράκ “εμφύλιο πόλεμο” – Παρατίθενται αρκετά παραδείγματα από το Fox News, το CNN, την New York Times, την Boston Globe, την USA Today, την Washington Post κλπ. – Εδώ είναι που φαίνεται η αξία του Διαδικτύου και γιατί σύντομα θα προσπαθήσουν να το φιμώσουν! [...]

]]> By: Jon Swift http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1198055 Jon Swift Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:31:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1198055 <strong>What's So Civil About the Iraq War?...</strong> I don't think the Iraq War is very civil at all.... What’s So Civil About the Iraq War?…

I don’t think the Iraq War is very civil at all….

]]> By: SonOfElvis http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1196970 SonOfElvis Wed, 29 Nov 2006 06:32:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1196970 Greetings from England. I'm not as well-informed on US politics as all of the posters here, but I do try to take an interest (especially as our Prime Minister is far more dangerous than Bush, as he actually has a brain and is not afraid to use it). My thoughts are about this whole 'civil war' thing. What will happen when Bush finally HAS to admit that the situation has escalated far beyond insurgency (unless he's hoping that he can hold out until the next election). Surely the US can't withdraw from Iraq even if the American public demands it, as this would make the US even more of an international pariah than it is now for starting this mess and not clearing it up. Is he going to try and sit it out and dump it all on his successor? (Can someone please tell me what a 'Gentlemen's C' is? I can't find it on the net and it's bugging the hell out of me. . .) Greetings from England.

I’m not as well-informed on US politics as all of the posters here, but I do try to take an interest (especially as our Prime Minister is far more dangerous than Bush, as he actually has a brain and is not afraid to use it).

My thoughts are about this whole ‘civil war’ thing. What will happen when Bush finally HAS to admit that the situation has escalated far beyond insurgency (unless he’s hoping that he can hold out until the next election). Surely the US can’t withdraw from Iraq even if the American public demands it, as this would make the US even more of an international pariah than it is now for starting this mess and not clearing it up. Is he going to try and sit it out and dump it all on his successor?

(Can someone please tell me what a ‘Gentlemen’s C’ is? I can’t find it on the net and it’s bugging the hell out of me. . .)

]]> By: floyd http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1196748 floyd Wed, 29 Nov 2006 05:00:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1196748 It is painfully obvious that the main-stream media does not even know the meaning of civil war, must have got their degree from a Cracker Jack box? Have you listened to them lately, kinda like watching a bunch of kids during recess. It is painfully obvious that the main-stream media does not even know the meaning of civil war, must have got their degree from a Cracker Jack box? Have you listened to them lately, kinda like watching a bunch of kids during recess.

]]> By: The Unknown Democrat http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1195022 The Unknown Democrat Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:19:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1195022 What more can you expect from Faux News, and the Republican waterboy wanta bees and CNN like Wolf Blitzer, Paula Zahn, Soledad O'Brien, and Carol Lin. I'd be shocked if Faux News ever uses the term Civil War even if W finally admits it. Ruppard Murdock is the puppet master who controls not only what Faux News employee say, but what they think. If you noticed the one guy who had any integrity got let go. The gay acting black guy that used to do the Faux and Friends didn't toe the line enough so he got canned. What really gets my goat is the Murdock is from Australia and probably hates America. What more can you expect from Faux News, and the Republican waterboy wanta bees and CNN like Wolf Blitzer, Paula Zahn, Soledad O’Brien, and Carol Lin. I’d be shocked if Faux News ever uses the term Civil War even if W finally admits it. Ruppard Murdock is the puppet master who controls not only what Faux News employee say, but what they think.

If you noticed the one guy who had any integrity got let go. The gay acting black guy that used to do the Faux and Friends didn’t toe the line enough so he got canned. What really gets my goat is the Murdock is from Australia and probably hates America.

]]> By: disgrunt » ‘Orwellian’ Doublespeak Litters Washington http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1191844 disgrunt » ‘Orwellian’ Doublespeak Litters Washington Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:09:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1191844 [...] Source: Think Progress Posted by Michael Kolanos Filed in Propaganda [...] [...] Source: Think Progress Posted by Michael Kolanos Filed in Propaganda [...]

]]> By: disgrunt » Most News Organizations Buckling To White House Pressure, Won’t Call Civil War In Iraq A ‘Civil War’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1191838 disgrunt » Most News Organizations Buckling To White House Pressure, Won’t Call Civil War In Iraq A ‘Civil War’ Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:03:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1191838 [...] Source: Think Progress Posted by Michael Kolanos Filed in Iraq War, Propaganda, Mainstream Media [...] [...] Source: Think Progress Posted by Michael Kolanos Filed in Iraq War, Propaganda, Mainstream Media [...]

]]> By: darby1936 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1191827 darby1936 Tue, 28 Nov 2006 04:58:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1191827 Yeah the media helped Bush sell this war so I don't blame them; I wouldn't want to call it what it really is either, if I were them. Yeah the media helped Bush sell this war so I don’t blame them; I wouldn’t want to call it what it really is either, if I were them.

]]> By: Heynow http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1190127 Heynow Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:49:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1190127 Its a bunch of angry commas. Its a bunch of angry commas.

]]> By: Deborah http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189879 Deborah Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:33:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189879 The pressure and arm-twisting upon the media/UN by the White House seems similiar to what has happened to Air America Radio by being boycotted by advertisers led/directed/told by ABC. Peace The pressure and arm-twisting upon the media/UN by the White House seems similiar to what has happened to Air America Radio by being boycotted by advertisers led/directed/told by ABC. Peace

]]> By: Iraq in “Civil War” | Vox Mia — Adding My Voice to the Chorus http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189842 Iraq in “Civil War” | Vox Mia — Adding My Voice to the Chorus Mon, 27 Nov 2006 23:16:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189842 [...] UPDATE: Some in the so-called liberal media are still debating on whether Iraq is in "civil war" or not (via ThinkProgress.com): [...] [...] UPDATE: Some in the so-called liberal media are still debating on whether Iraq is in "civil war" or not (via ThinkProgress.com): [...]

]]> By: Publicus http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189791 Publicus Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:52:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189791 Yep. And Korea was a "police action". Why do these people masquerade as journalists? Yep. And Korea was a “police action”. Why do these people masquerade as journalists?

]]> By: hweaver http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189790 hweaver Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:52:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189790 From McClatchy Company's Baghdad bureau (second-largest newspaper pubnlisher in US): Neighborhood by neighborhood, Baghdad descends into civil war By Hannah Allam and Mohammed al Dulaimy McClatchy Newspapers BAGHDAD, Iraq - Sectarian violence has turned Baghdad into a deadly jigsaw puzzle of contested neighborhoods where armed bands of Shiite and Sunni Muslims battle daily for control in fighting that is far more similar to an organized military campaign than is generally acknowledged. From McClatchy Company’s Baghdad bureau (second-largest newspaper pubnlisher in US):

Neighborhood by neighborhood, Baghdad descends into civil war

By Hannah Allam and Mohammed al Dulaimy
McClatchy Newspapers

BAGHDAD, Iraq – Sectarian violence has turned Baghdad into a deadly jigsaw puzzle of contested neighborhoods where armed bands of Shiite and Sunni Muslims battle daily for control in fighting that is far more similar to an organized military campaign than is generally acknowledged.

]]> By: impeachcheneythenbush http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189787 impeachcheneythenbush Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:50:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189787 First of all, Bush did make a comment some time ago that if the situation in Iraq became a civil war, we would pull our troops out in that case. Heard an interesting comment today. Some of those who are refusing to call it as a civil war argue that as the violence is not happening ALL OVER the country, it doesn't qualify. However, as any of us should know about our <em>own </em>American Civil War, there were NOT battles being fought <em>all over </em>the U.S. either. First of all, Bush did make a comment some time ago that if the situation in Iraq became a civil war, we would pull our troops out in that case. Heard an interesting comment today. Some of those who are refusing to call it as a civil war argue that as the violence is not happening ALL OVER the country, it doesn’t qualify. However, as any of us should know about our own American Civil War, there were NOT battles being fought all over the U.S. either.

]]> By: Outfoxed http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189775 Outfoxed Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:43:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189775 <strong>This is again the corruption of our media, CNN, FOXNEWS, MBC, CBS, and the list goes on: very old incompetent journalists still practicing poor and deceitful journalism. We are ready for change, we need new blood. I lost interest in the media for almost a decade, not planning to get interested again as long as Oreilly, Dobbs, Katie, Chris Mathew, Hannity, Greta V., L. King... are still reporting. </strong> This is again the corruption of our media, CNN, FOXNEWS, MBC, CBS, and the list goes on: very old incompetent journalists still practicing poor and deceitful journalism. We are ready for change, we need new blood.
I lost interest in the media for almost a decade, not planning to get interested again as long as Oreilly, Dobbs, Katie, Chris Mathew, Hannity, Greta V., L. King… are still reporting.

]]> By: Edward Dumas http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189754 Edward Dumas Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:31:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189754 The problem is as much one of definition as the desire by the White House etc to avoid using the phrase 'civil war'. Violent conflict today rarely fits into the neat categories of the past. Even warfare itself is being radically redfined - see <em>New and Old Wars</em> by Mary Kaldor and <em>The Utility of Force</em> by Sir Rupert Smith, ex-Deputy Head of NATO. What we have is an incredibly confused and messy conflict - in some parts of the country it's almost everybody against everyone; in other parts there's hardly any conflict at all. With no emerging front line and no single goal - e.g. independence/federalism v unity; Sunni state v Shia state v Kurdish state - it's very hard to call. Except to say that in some parts it's very bloody indeed and will get a lot worse. Expect a lot of 'ethnic cleansing'... The problem is as much one of definition as the desire by the White House etc to avoid using the phrase ‘civil war’. Violent conflict today rarely fits into the neat categories of the past. Even warfare itself is being radically redfined – see New and Old Wars by Mary Kaldor and The Utility of Force by Sir Rupert Smith, ex-Deputy Head of NATO.

What we have is an incredibly confused and messy conflict – in some parts of the country it’s almost everybody against everyone; in other parts there’s hardly any conflict at all. With no emerging front line and no single goal – e.g. independence/federalism v unity; Sunni state v Shia state v Kurdish state – it’s very hard to call. Except to say that in some parts it’s very bloody indeed and will get a lot worse. Expect a lot of ‘ethnic cleansing’…

]]> By: SEIXON http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189753 SEIXON Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:31:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189753 <strong>Kofi Annan Caves to White House Pressure...</strong> Kofi Annan is the latest to become a poodle of the Bush administration. There can be no other explanation for his reluctance to call the situation in Iraq a "civil war". None.... Kofi Annan Caves to White House Pressure…

Kofi Annan is the latest to become a poodle of the Bush administration. There can be no other explanation for his reluctance to call the situation in Iraq a “civil war”. None….

]]> By: gary lentz http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/comment-page-1/#comment-1189731 gary lentz Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:21:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/27/media-civil-war/#comment-1189731 FUBAR is the term most fitting the Iraq situatuion.... FUBAR is the term most fitting the Iraq situatuion….

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