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Hell yeah, San Franscisco values!!
I lived in the Bay Area as a teen, and that’s where I learned there are all sorts of people in the world, and it’s perfectly ok.
November 28th, 2006 at 6:12 pmI’ve lived in San Francisco and I’ve lived in a number of places people call “the country.” People are a lot nicer in San Francisco.
November 28th, 2006 at 6:30 pmAmen to that, Zooey!
I grew up in Cambridge, MA and saw gays and lesbians in love as well as hetero’s.
Same behavior.
African Americans, Hispanics, Asians, and everything in between.
Knew ‘em as my classmates. Regular people.
When will the right realize that we are all connected, and are all inhabitants of one world?
Not to reintroduce the Battlestar Galactica thread from last night, but one of my favorite Star Trek’s was when the Romulans, Klingons, Cardasians, and Humans all found that they originated from the same “mother” source.
We are all in this together, world!
Let’s work together instead of this “SF Values” crap!
**getting off of soapbox**
November 28th, 2006 at 6:32 pmentrepreneurship?
November 28th, 2006 at 6:34 pmUntill they become too successfull. Then they will be punished with taxes.
San Franscisco values – AIDS is set to join heart disease and stroke as the top three causes of death worldwide.
November 28th, 2006 at 6:34 pmSan Franscisco values – AIDS is set to join heart disease and stroke as the top three causes of death worldwide.
Comment by Flaco
As if AIDS doesn’t happen EVERYWHERE?
November 28th, 2006 at 6:37 pmSan Franscisco values – AIDS is set to join heart disease and stroke as the top three causes of death worldwide.
Comment by Flaco — November 28, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
Nice try moron. AIDS affliction is acually low in San Franisco compared to umm cities like Houston Texas. Oh and your subtle attack on gays was just pathetic…
November 28th, 2006 at 6:44 pmDude, AIDS didn’t start in San Francisco, nor is it the most widely affected city. Are you an ignorant red neck or what? Did you know that gays are not the highest affected rate when it comes to AIDS? It is actually black women. Then black men. AIDS isn’t a gay disease, it is just a disease that the government doesn’t want to do anything about, so they spin it as a gay disease. At least the government knows it isn’t true, but lies. You don’t know what the truth is, so that just makes you ignorant.
November 28th, 2006 at 6:49 pmConservatives know this. I don’t discriminate against anyone. I get labeled as a raciest on this site just because I’m a conservative. Racism is wrong. But if you believe that a person should not be rewarded or punished based on skin color. If I think the boarder should be secured I’m told I hate Mexicans. If I think Islamic extremist should be fought against I am accused of hating all Muslims
November 28th, 2006 at 6:53 pmSan Franscisco values – AIDS is set to join heart disease and stroke as the top three causes of death worldwide.
Comment by Flaco — November 28, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
Hey idiot, AIDS originated in Africa, where it afflicts tens of millions of people, and where it is predominantly a heterosexual disease. Pathetic homophobic loser.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:04 pm“punished with taxes”…
November 28th, 2006 at 7:05 pmdamn roads… and schools… and libraries… and parks… and city services… and all kinds of stuff people shouldn’t have to pay for… …
As opposed to Traditional Family Values of which Bush, his twins, Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Jimmy Swaggart, and all the rest of the Christian pedophiles and mass murderers are a part.
Golly, San Francisco’s values are vastly superior than any Christian’s.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:15 pmLive long and Prosper, tru~!
November 28th, 2006 at 7:17 pmSo if you believe in tax cuts you are against all of that? After the Bush tax cuts the IRS took in record revenue. All I am saying is the current tax system punishes people for success. This is why I support a consumption based tax system like the fair tax.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:18 pmNewProg subtle attack on gays ??
November 28th, 2006 at 7:18 pmSubtle like a frog in your beer.
FLR – gotta love those family values that include running naked in hotel corridors!
November 28th, 2006 at 7:19 pmHell yes to Frisco values, hell yes to a woman in the position of leadership…It’s time…The present male dominated reich wing have only made huge messes, it will take a tough California Lady to try and fix what these men won’t do…….Blessings, Speaker Palosi and blessings to us all, from the little old lady from Pasadena
November 28th, 2006 at 7:29 pmSan Franscisco values – AIDS is set to join heart disease and stroke as the top three causes of death worldwide.
Comment by Flaco — November 28, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
Of course, if Reagan had done his job and jumped on the epidemic as he should have (instead of ignoring it!!), this wouldn’t be a talking point.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:33 pmoh… kevin… too bad… you must be so young… and brainwashed…
i get headaches when i think about numbers, but i enjoy learning from those who know about such things…
today on franken, david cay johnson educated me about income levels and taxes… you can read his article by clicking on the link at http://www.ofrankenfactor.com/
(for some damned reason links from franken’s site keep that address in the window – very annoying)
and at the bottom of that article, under ‘related articles’, is one you’ll appreciate from ben stein about class warfare…
there are many here better able to discuss this subject, but i suspect you don’t want to know of a BETTER way… that’s very shortsighted…
November 28th, 2006 at 7:36 pm.
Kevin: “After the Bush tax cuts the IRS took in record revenue. All I am saying is the current tax system punishes people for success. This is why I support a consumption based tax system like the fair tax.”
First of all, the American middle class was never stronger than it was in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s, an era in which the top marginal rates on the wealthy were much higher than they are today. Secondly, a “consumption tax” is not flat. It is actually regressive because sales tax takes a greater bite out of working class wages than upper class income. We can see the result of cutting taxes on the wealthy — the difference between rich and poor gets greater and the middle class is squeezed.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:43 pmGolly, San Francisco’s values are vastly superior than any Christian’s.
Comment by Fredric L. Rice
Bethel Christian Church- Mission District of San Francisco
We Believe
The Bible is the inspired and authoritative Word of God.
That there is one God, eternally existent in three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
In the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His death and resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and in His future return to this earth in power and glory.
That the only means of being cleansed from sin is through repentance and faith in Jesus Christ and regeneration by the Holy Spirit.
In divine healing.
In the Spirit-filled life by whose indwelling the Christian is given the power to live a joyous and victorious life. We believe in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost, the one to everlasting life and the other to everlasting judgement.
San Francisco has it’s values rooted in Christianity. It was that way in ‘67 when I lived there and played guitar on the streets. It’s that way today.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:50 pmAnd, Kevin, Ronald Reagan’s administration imposed the largest tax INCREASE in our nation’s history.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:51 pmSF Homosexuals have family values too like safe sex.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:52 pmGet it safe sex heh, as if it were something dangerous.
The damn conservatives think it is dangerous. That is why they want to stop anybody from having it. Including people up to the age of 29. Bat shEt crazy republicans.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:58 pmThose crazy San Fransicans have health care for all children.
How freakin’ nuts is that…
November 28th, 2006 at 8:03 pmThe list of items and ideas that have sprouted from the Bay Area is quite amazing. If the Conservative movement is so great they should have an equally impressive list of accomplishments right?! So where is it??? Don’t tell me that they are just spewing hot air…
November 28th, 2006 at 8:06 pmSF Homosexuals have family values too like safe sex.
Get it safe sex heh, as if it were something dangerous.
Comment by Flaco — November 28, 2006 @ 7:52 pm
Flaco, do you feel ambivalent about your sexuality? Do you feel threatened by gay men because you secretly fear being gay yourself? Maybe you are one of those men who insist that they aren’t gay, even though they have sex with other men. Maybe you will feel better if you come out of the closet.
By the way, medical researchers have been using the term “men who have sex with men” for some time now, because they encountered so many subjects who swore they weren’t gay but under further questioning admitted to having sex with men, while continuing to insist they weren’t gay.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:20 pmSo we are talking about that culture war hotspot San Francisco. Never been there, I hear it’s really nice, but not kid-freindly. Super expensive to live there.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:24 pm#23 and 24
November 28th, 2006 at 8:33 pmActually, there are dangers to sex. Its just as crazy to think that safe sex (safer sex) is not a good thing. I worked with AIDS patients for 20 years. It was sad to look into the eyes of a teenager who thought sex with her boyfriend was not a problem. He was an IV meth user. Safer sex would have perhaps saved her.
Staying the hell away from an IV meth head would have really helped.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:42 pmSF Homosexuals have family values too like safe sex.
Get it safe sex heh, as if it were something dangerous.
— Flaco
Why so threatened by gays, Flako?
I have several friends that are gay, they are just people dude, trying to live day to day as we all are. Except they have to deal with prejudiced assholes such as yourself.
Poor Flaco, such a homophobe he has to be a closet gay.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:43 pmAs far as I’m concerned, “San Francisco” values here on the East Coast translate as “New York” values — and I say HELL YES to them because that was the whole point of why I moved to NYC from the Midwest. Maybe it stems from being raised for three years of my childhood in the United Kingdom and realizing from a very young age that just because people speak the same language as me doesn’t automatically mean that they share my values or are obligated to do so — or perhaps it stems from a lifetime of being a target of other people’s criticism because it seems to be my nature to be a little different. I wanted to live somewhere in which it’s okay to be who you are as long as you’re not keeping the neighbors awake and where nobody gives you that half-hostile/half-terrified sort of fixed stare that they would give to a dangerous animal just because you want to dress a little differently…the way people sometimes used to stare at me in my hometown.
My experience of most conservatives (particularly conservatives who are also religious) is that despite all their protestations, they really want everyone in the world to act and think and speak in exactly the same way that they do. They assume that anything and everything which is right for them should automatically be right for everyone else in the world as if they had a hotline to God — and I can’t help but be tempted to bulldog these people and ask them (although I never do) “if the God that you say you believe in had intended us to all be alike as you seem to think, why didn’t He create us that way?”
November 28th, 2006 at 8:46 pmFlaccid is a troll with nothing to add to any discussion.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:48 pmStaying the hell away from an IV meth head would have really helped. — SpudgeBoy
Most the people I knew in the late 70s, early 80s that were shooting meth are dead, from aids, overdose or starving themselves to death.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:51 pmMost the people I knew in the late 70s, early 80s that were shooting meth are dead, from aids, overdose or starving themselves to death.
Comment by Wayne
They’re still doing that, Wayne, sadly enough.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:59 pmAnd what if AIDS was either genetically engineered or an immunization program gone horribly wrong?
aidsbiowar.com/SARS_edit_ND_Cantwell.doc
see also:
http://www.politicalgateway.com/news/read.html?id=5420
Perhaps it is Manhatten values we should be questioning?
Oh, and the KOS article is great! So is San Francisco, my natal town.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:15 pmYeah I know “gay people” too. They are people just like you and me. They are your teachers, doctors, lawyers, dentists, politicians, law enforcement, and someone’s child.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:16 pmThe first AIDS cases were uncovered in Manhattan in 1979. — Briseadh na Faire
Researchers trace first HIV case to 1959 in the Belgian Congo
November 28th, 2006 at 9:26 pmI don’t know a whole lot about San Fran,
I do like Rice-a-Roni though, so it can’t be all bad.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:31 pmUgh, what does KoS know about being liberal? He is the DLC’s bitch. He banned any talk about election fraud up until this election when the right started complaining about it. Toad.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:34 pmOther than New York City, San Francisco is my favorite U.S. city…Beautiful town. Great restaurants. Stunning views. Terrific ballpark. Fantastic weather. …. Politically, though? Not my cup of tea.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:37 pmJPark,
What do you think about the SF values?
November 28th, 2006 at 9:39 pm#42 I think they are everybodies values except the radical religious rights.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:41 pmWhy the authorities and the people of San Francisco take this kind of crap ?? The city and it’s people deserve a lot of respect.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:48 pmI think they are everybodies values except the radical religious rights.
Comment by JPark
See? You don’t have to love Kos to love SF values.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:54 pm#45 Zooey, I love SF values. Kos is a joke. I can seperate the two.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:57 pmFine! Geez…
November 28th, 2006 at 9:59 pmSpudge_Boy,
The most fun I had (on a night out) was in a gay club in Boston!
Most fun in San Fran-the Vesuvio Bar, and Candlestick Park.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:12 pm(OK, it was in ‘88!)
I am not trying to offend you Zooey. I just find Kos to be way too Bidenish.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:14 pmYou clearly haven’t read the many times he has criticized the DLC.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:20 pmAKA, I have however, read the many times he has criticized the left as opposed to the “center”.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:23 pmI am not trying to offend you Zooey. I just find Kos to be way too Bidenish.
Comment by JPark
I don’t give a crap about Kos, I just wanted to know what you thought about the SF values.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:29 pmAKA, Kos may be a true liberal but you wouldn’t know it when he bans people (no, I haven’t been banned) for talking about vote stealing in Ohio. Maybe he is just a coward.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:30 pmMost fun in San Fran-the Vesuvio Bar, and Candlestick Park.
(OK, it was in ‘88!)
Comment by trueblue
I used to enjoy walking down the streets in SF, and watching my (now) ex squirm because guys were looking HIM up and down.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:31 pm#53 I don’t know why SF values are so controversial since if you spelled them out to the average person, they would agree with 95% of them.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:33 pmHi Spudge!
I’m not gay either. (although I’m not crazy about men sometimes…!)
A friend took us to a place that was “gay” a certain night of the week. It was awesome! Gays know how to throw a dance party! (that was probably not a PC thing to say, but the joint was rocking!)
Nice to see you around again.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:34 pm#55 LOL, I am guessing that he was kind of a closet case. :) If not he wouldn’t give a damn and would be paying attention to you.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:34 pmJPark,
I think that’s the point. People like Bill O’Reilly throw out “San Francisco values” like they’re something horrible, and a lot of people — the 30% — won’t even think twice about it.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:37 pmI am guessing that he was kind of a closet case. :) If not he wouldn’t give a damn and would be paying attention to you.
Comment by JPark
His hold on his sexuality did seem tenuous, even if only in his own mind. You’re right, I think most guys wouldn’t have noticed. In fact, he pointed it out to me — so guess who was looking.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:40 pmFunny, Zoo!
My ex and I were in San Fran in ‘88.
He got a haircut at a barber shop.
The barber called it the #2. (No! I Am Not Making This Up!)
Pretty much a buzz. Oh, and the ex is bald.
I laughed and told him we just needed an earring to complete the ensemble!
November 28th, 2006 at 10:40 pm:))
#59 I know Zooey. It is like the word liberal. Studies show that people are downright liberal when asked about the issues but they would never admit to being one. Righties have really pulled one over on the people.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:43 pm#60 LOL, I wish all my exes liked men as much as your’s did. :)
November 28th, 2006 at 10:44 pmtrue,
In 1988, I was waving at you from across the bay. :)
November 28th, 2006 at 10:44 pmJPark,
That’s just what I was trying to get at. Thanks!
November 28th, 2006 at 10:45 pmI don’t agree with everything Kos says or does, but 95% of his criticisms are aimed at Republicans.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:46 pmGays! — Booga Booga! Hahaha….what kind of coward do you have to be to be afraid of gays? Hahaha!
November 28th, 2006 at 10:47 pmI wish all my exes liked men as much as your’s did. :)
Comment by JPark
Shhhh, he still doesn’t ‘know’…
November 28th, 2006 at 10:48 pmtrue,
In 1988, I was waving at you from across the bay. :)
Comment by Zooey — November 28, 2006 @ 10:44 pm
Can you imagine if the two of us found each other then?
The male species would still be quivering!
(sorry to the Y chromosomes of TP. You are not the kind of “Y’s” I mean…)
November 28th, 2006 at 10:51 pmGays! — Booga Booga! Hahaha….what kind of coward do you have to be to be afraid of gays? Hahaha!
Comment by USA — November 28, 2006 @ 10:47 pm
I’m more afraid of Carnies, ya know very small hands, smell of cabbage.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:52 pmI’m more afraid of Carnies, ya know very small hands, smell of cabbage.
Comment by Tundra
Hmmm, you certainly know your carnies…
November 28th, 2006 at 10:54 pm(sorry to the Y chromosomes of TP. You are not the kind of “Y’s†I mean…)
Comment by trueblue
It would have been fun!
November 28th, 2006 at 10:55 pm#62 Jpark – same with atheism…
Coming out and saying that you don’t think there is a flying beasty in the sky who steers your life….risky…what kind of armband do I need to wear?
November 28th, 2006 at 10:58 pmDo turtles have Y chromosomes..?
November 28th, 2006 at 11:00 pmStill working on the opposing thumbs…
Hmmm, you certainly know your carnies…
Comment by Zooey — November 28, 2006 @ 10:54 pm
It was a great summer, I was barely a man yet. Her name was Viola she had auburn hair and the cutest lisp (Something about her tounge getting cut out in her home country). The first time our eyes met across that elephant ear (pastry not to be confused with a real elephant) it was like magic. She smiled, I smiled back. I spent all weeks pay trying to win her a big stuffed animal from the ring toss (I never won, but I sure tried). We made love in the beer tent (amongst cheers).
Ahhh the life of a carnie.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:00 pm#73 I think you need to bow down to the spaghetti monster, you heathen!!!
November 28th, 2006 at 11:01 pmTerry,
You definately have a Y chromo because a couple months back there was a link to a somewhat naughty website that you said you shouldn’t have clicked on in the middle of an airport…..
Am I right, or am I right?!
;)
Women remember everything…. (you want them to forget!)
November 28th, 2006 at 11:04 pmheehee!
#59 I know Zooey. It is like the word liberal. Studies show that people are downright liberal when asked about the issues but they would never admit to being one. Righties have really pulled one over on the people.
Comment by JPark — November 28, 2006 @ 10:43 pm
Some of that is the fault of some groups that associate themselves with Liberals (And liberals associate themselves with). Some people just can’t be associated with groups like PeTA or GreenPeace. While many people do agree with taking care of the environment and humane treatment of food (Read animals), some of their tactics are over the top. The word liberal is seen as radical to many people who hold alot of the same values.
Bush is responsible for a large democrat population. I was speaking with a girl at a bar and she told me she was a democrat because she hates Bush (Couldn’t tell me her stand on anything else, was quite humerous)
November 28th, 2006 at 11:07 pmI have been to San Francisco many times, since I was born in California and did not leave untill I was almost 30. Lots of Gay guys in San Fran, but who cares they help keep the city upscale. Some of the nicest shops are owned by Gays there and some nice restaurants as well. One of my favorite places was called Bepples Pies & Coffee Shop > best pies in the city and the place was owned and operated by 2 Gay men partners. Only thing I dislike to do in San Fran is drive a car, since some roads are very steep, and getting caught at a traffic signal is a little scary if you have a stick shift > lol.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:09 pmTundra, I am guessing if you asked people about their core values they might agree with Peta and Greenpeace. Take out any of the extremists in each group (though you might not have many Peta members after you do that) and they are mainstream.
I don’t think Bush is responsible for a large population of democrats. He might be responsible for a lot of people realizing it.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:13 pmOMG I can’t even imagine a stick shift in SF!
(there’s a sick joke in there – I’m just too tired to develop it…!)
Need to go to sleep since I’m a weenie.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:13 pmI don’t think your Flying Spaghetti Monster exists….?
November 28th, 2006 at 11:16 pmAnd Tundra, do you really think the groups aligned with liberals are any wackier than those aligned with conservatives? Focus on the Family? Concerned Women (mostly men) for America? Aryan Nation?
November 28th, 2006 at 11:16 pm#70….Tundra is obviously an international man of mystery:
Only two things scare me and one of them is nuclear war.
What’s the other?
Excuse me?
What’s the other thing that scares you?
Carnies. Circus folk. Nomads, you know. Smell like cabbage. Small hands.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:19 pmAnd Tundra, do you really think the groups aligned with liberals are any wackier than those aligned with conservatives?
Not at all, the big difference is you don’t see the republicans (in general) going to banquets with the Aryan Nation etc. They have a little more experience in distancing themselves from the wacky groups, but still getting their votes. Hillary is real good at it too though, getting support from radical groups of all types, but still not attaching herself with them.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:22 pmI drove to San Fran once years ago, in a Mazda sports coup, with a stick shift. On one of the steepest streets in San Fran I got caught at a traffic signal and before I was able to get in gear the car rolled backward. Thankfully nobody was behind me > lol.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:24 pm77. True, I was steered to that Mighty Aphrodite website by someone on the blog that day, all innocence…. what I saw and what my chromosomes thought about it are for me to know and you to wonder…
November 28th, 2006 at 11:29 pmThere is extreme wackiness on both sides. They even meet in some cases. Like prisonplanet and worldnetdaily. They run some of the same stories. Weird.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:33 pmIt was pretty funny though…
November 28th, 2006 at 11:35 pmheehee, Terry!
But you still did, and like I said, we remember…
:)))))
Just joshing around with you, TerrytheTurtle.
Really gotta go to sleep now.
Good night!
November 28th, 2006 at 11:37 pmAhhh the life of a carnie.
Comment by Tundra
The heartbreak of a carnie life… :)
November 28th, 2006 at 11:41 pmwhat I saw and what my chromosomes thought about it are for me to know and you to wonder…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
I know what you saw, but I don’t know what your chromosomes thought about it. I would hazard a guess at disappointment…
November 28th, 2006 at 11:43 pmThe heartbreak of a carnie life… :)
Comment by Zooey — November 28, 2006 @ 11:41 pm
See noone can say I don’t try and understand liberals :)
November 28th, 2006 at 11:47 pmYup, Zoo, no scales, and no shell at all – damn I like a well built shell… (too much information Terry)
November 28th, 2006 at 11:52 pmYup, Zoo, no scales, and no shell at all – damn I like a well built shell… (too much information Terry)
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
I’ll keep my eye out for the perfect Turtle date. :)
November 28th, 2006 at 11:57 pmSee noone can say I don’t try and understand liberals :)
Comment by Tundra
You’re saying you found time to talk politics with your sweet Viola? Hmmm, I think you’re weaving a tall tale, me dear. You thought you had me with the elephant ear. I have never met a liberal carnie, and yes, I have met carnies…
November 28th, 2006 at 11:59 pmYou’re saying you found time to talk politics with your sweet Viola?
She couldn’t say much due to the tounge thing. I thought the free love thing made her a liberal (Since I spent all that money at her man friend serge’s booth, trying to win the stuffed animal, i couldn’t have paid anyway)?
:)
November 29th, 2006 at 12:03 am(Since I spent all that money at her man friend serge’s booth, trying to win the stuffed animal, i couldn’t have paid anyway)?
:)
Comment by Tundra
You may be ‘paying’ to this day. Have you been tested…? :-D
November 29th, 2006 at 12:07 amYou may be ‘paying’ to this day. Have you been tested…? :-D
Comment by Zooey — November 29, 2006 @ 12:07 am
A couple shots and a shave and I was as good as new :)
November 29th, 2006 at 12:12 amSpeaking of parasites have you seen goodscarrier today?
Isn’t it about time for our nightly “talking too”
November 29th, 2006 at 12:13 amwell… trying to think of a good san fran story… i visited when i went to see my son who is in grad school at berkeley… all the tourista things… beautiful city/area… didn’t think the people were very friendly though… my kids thought i’d enjoy the height – nope, outgrew that, too many bad memories… it was like a time trip though… and too many panhandlers… that was truly annoying…
BUT – here’s a classic story… anyone remember the 60minute-type story about the guy who moved his family (wife, small kids) to a gay SF neighborhood – castro st.? – and was suing a sex shop that displayed the wares in the window… it offended him and he didn’t want his kids to see that stuff… i may have some details wrong, but i thought it was ridiculous that this one prudish sanctimonious person would insert himself into a known homosexual neighborhood and then claim a moral authority enough to put a long time establishment out of business… never heard the outcome of that story…
g’night all… oh, john waits song on daily show – make you cry…
November 29th, 2006 at 12:15 am.
testing
testing
you just HAVE to read the new york times secret hadley/bush/cheney memo about malaki…
READ THIS
November 29th, 2006 at 12:18 ami thought it was ridiculous that this one prudish sanctimonious person would insert himself into a known homosexual neighborhood and then claim a moral authority enough to put a long time establishment out of business
I agree Katy, it’s the same as a person going to the bible belt and demanding they remove the 10 commandments from the steps of the courthouse. People need to live in communities that are similar and not try to change everyone else.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:21 amtesting
testing
you just HAVE to read the new york times secret hadley/bush/cheney memo about malaki…
While there does seem to be an aggressive push to consolidate Shia power and influence, it is less clear whether Maliki is a witting participant. The information he receives is undoubtedly skewed by his small circle of Dawa advisers, coloring his actions and interpretation of reality. His intentions seem good when he talks with Americans, and sensitive reporting suggests he is trying to stand up to the Shia hierarchy and force positive change. But the reality on the streets of Baghdad suggests Maliki is either ignorant of what is going on, misrepresenting his intentions, or that his capabilities are not yet sufficient to turn his good intentions into action.
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We must also be mindful of Maliki’s personal history as a figure in the Dawa Party — an underground conspiratorial movement — during Saddam’s rule. Maliki and those around him are naturally inclined to distrust new actors, and it may take strong assurances from the United States ultimately to convince him to expand his circle of advisers or take action against the interests of his own Shia coalition and for the benefit of Iraq as a whole.
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Direct your cabinet to begin an intensive press on Saudi Arabia to play a leadership role on Iraq, connecting this role with other areas in which Saudi Arabia wants to see U.S. action [emphasis added].
November 29th, 2006 at 12:21 amit’s the same as a person going to the bible belt and demanding they remove the 10 commandments from the steps of the courthouse…
Comment by Tundra — November 29, 2006 @ 12:21 am
no… it’s really not… and you know better…
g’nite.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:26 amno… it’s really not… and you know better…
g’nite.
OK, fair enough :) then how about a group switching states to demand Wal-Mart offer the morning after pill, when that community doesn’t want it there?
November 29th, 2006 at 12:34 amtesting
testing
oh well….i guess everyone is gone tonight…anyway, take a look at that nyt article…it should be THE news for the next few days…
i think this ’suggestion’ to bush regarding the saudis needs some ’spaling from someone…
peace.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:34 am“[i]f you vote for the Democrats and if they get a majority in the House of Representatives and the Senate,” then “you bring to America San Francisco values.”
Ah, Bill O’Reilly, professional prevaricator and discombobulator extraordinaire.
O’Reilly needs to get a map: San Francisco is part of the US. It follows then than “San Francisco values” are also American values. Lastly, voters don’t seem too afraid of those dreaded “San Francisco values” after all.
But when was the last time O’Reilly let the facts get in the way of a good story?
November 29th, 2006 at 12:37 am“San Francisco values†are also American values.
All mustangs are fords, but not all fords are mustangs
November 29th, 2006 at 12:42 amSo you believe the rights of the GOVERNMENT are the same as the RIGHTS of the INDIVIDUAL?
The government is the people. Not the small group who disagrees with the masses. If 80% of a state want’s to bad abortion then friggin let them. If 80% of the county wants to bad alcohol, let them. If 80% of the state wants gay marriage let them. If Wal-Mart doesn’t want to sell the morning after pill in select communities because they got enough flak and realized it would be a bad decission, let them. If 80% of a community want the 10 commandments to be displayed in front ot their courthouse, let them. If 80% of a community wants the Flying Speghetti Monster in front of their secretary of State let them.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:56 amTundra believes in the TYRANNY of the MASSES!!!
Unlike you who feels that you should be able to force whatever you want down everyone elses throat, regardless of where they are in the country?
As are YOU my DEAR FRIEND!!
ROTFL!!
Being called a jackass by someone who can’t make a point without laughing like a gitty school girl, yeah OK.
What if that MAJORITY says that the 20% must CONVERT say from JUDAISM or end up in a GAS OVEN?
November 29th, 2006 at 1:05 amStrawman argument.
ROLES and RESPONSIBILITIES to your FELLOW CITIZENS.
If it’s all the same to you, I’d just as soon relinquish you of your responsibility for taking care of me. I realize how hard that may be for you since you know what my needs are much better than I do. I’ll even help ya out here. protect me from foreign aggression and let me live my life without having to “improve the quality of everyone else”.
It must be NICE to be so CASUAL with the RIGHTS OF OTHERS!!!
Yeah it’s the whole “Pursuit of happiness” part I go with. since I don’t know what makes you happy (Obviously everything for as much as you laugh) I’ll let you do that part and stay out of your way. You on the other hand feel you should be able to determine what everyone else needs to be happy.
My discussion with Katy was pretty simple. She said how can someone move to a known homesexual neighborhood and demand a sex store change it’s business model? My point was how could someone move into a very religous community and start demanding changes.
You may feel it hurts 6 year old kids alot more to have them see the words “Though shall not kill”
Than to have them see a doubleheaded dildo in a window, sitting next to a jar of ass-blaster cream.
Personally, I’ll keep my kids from both. If my community turns too much one way, I’ll move to a more centrist part of the country.
November 29th, 2006 at 1:40 amPersonally I am involved in alot of local charity work. When there is no more homeless people in my community I’ll work on yours. When the vets in my neighborhood are taken care of, I’ll work on yours (Since you aren’t). When our soup kitchens no longer have visitors, I’ll find somewhere else to work on it. You expect to tackle everything from the top, while people in your own community are in need. Because you decide to concentrate your efforts on everyone else, your neighbors suffer. Show me the model you helped create in your community before you expect me to trust you with the whole country.
Comment by Tundra — November 29, 2006 @ 3:18 am
And I am the love child of Annette Funichello and Frankie Avalon, and when I’m not splicing cleft palates in third world orphanages, I design underwater emergency rescue vehicles.
Forgive me if I seem unbelieving of your supposed humanitarian streak. Post the names of some places I can check; and you might as well give me your real name as long as you’re at it, so that I can verify all that you’ve said. Otherwise, it’s just more unproveable fluff, y’know? This is the internet, and anyone can claim anything.
November 29th, 2006 at 4:15 amSo what, then? Colorado Springs values?
November 29th, 2006 at 4:25 amYeah like I’m going to give my real name over the internet.
In the past 2 months There were two functions at the American Legion post. One was for a soldier who died in Iraq last May. His family wanted to put a scholarship grant together. (I cooked). The other was for a member who was diagnosed with cancer and couldn’t afford the bills, so we did a speghetti dinner (bartended all tips went to the fund).
I worked at a kids station at the local zoo, basically the kids colored pictures of animals and we painted their faces.
There was a new exhibit at the local museum (It’s a museum of play) that was putting up a new exhibit and since my daughter was interested we volunteered for helping with that.
We also have a group that gets together to babysit so single mothers can have a night out (I am basically a junglegym for munchkins).
Believe it or not, I don’t really care.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:11 amGroovy! I was stationed in San Francisco for a while during the Vietnam war, and turned hippie there. I luv San Francisco values, and be sure to wear some flowers in your hair. Peace. Love.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:36 amImpeach the cheerleader, save the world.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:40 amIt’s a circus there. Before, I have refused to travel for training to San Francisco because of its lack of morality.
November 29th, 2006 at 8:12 amBefore, I have refused to travel for training to San Francisco because of its lack of morality.
Comment by Daryll
Ahhh, Isn’t the tolerence of pseudo-christians wonderful?
November 29th, 2006 at 8:25 amA true Christian would not be afraid to enter a realm of “immorality”
But then again, St.Daryll is no true Christian
This is the internet, and anyone can claim anything.
Comment by barfly
A perfect example, St.Daryll can claim to be a Christian!
November 29th, 2006 at 8:28 amSt.Daryll,
Your homophobia knows no bounds! I’ll let you in on a little secret…Them there homosexuals are not just congregating in San Francisco. Them there gays are also…..living….right….next….door……….TO YOU!!!
BOO!
November 29th, 2006 at 9:04 am#130 – I heard recently that there was also one leading a church somewhere in Colorado…….
November 29th, 2006 at 9:22 amtundra’s gonna be grumpy today… not enough sleep! :-)
November 29th, 2006 at 10:10 amshouldda slept, dude! …
but very impressed with your good works! …keep it up!
tundra’s gonna be grumpy today… not enough sleep! :-)
shouldda slept, dude! …
Yeah I hate Insomnia :)
but very impressed with your good works! …keep it up!
Thanks!
November 29th, 2006 at 11:20 amBelieve it or not, I don’t really care.
Comment by Tundra —
Baloney. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have posted it. You think it gives you added credibility. It doesn’t. It just shows how desperate you are.
November 29th, 2006 at 2:23 pm