“Stay the course is gone.
By on Nov 28th, 2006 at 4:21 pm
“Stay the course is gone.
We’re going to try and devise some new strategies, hopefully with the President’s concurrence…Our soldiers, sailors and airmen should not be in there, risking their lives, losing their lives to stop a Civil War.” — Sen. John Warner (R-VA), once one of the staunchest supporters of the administration’s Iraq policy, speaking today in Charlottsville, Virginia.
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Cut and Runner he is.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:24 pmCoward, cut-n-runner, traitor, liberal, gay, French, communist, Nazi!
-GSD
November 28th, 2006 at 4:24 pmSorry to piss on your parade JW, but you don’t need the Shrub’s concurrence to right his wrongs.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:26 pmComing tommorrow. Sen. John Warner makes a statement that his words were taken out of context and that he was only saying those things to get a reaction. He fully supports the president and the occupation of Iraq.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:36 pmTerrorist sympathizer and appeaser.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:37 pmi tried posting this on the FAST thread this morning and it didn’t show up - subject matter must me too much for TPs “tastes”… tuff shite…
November 28th, 2006 at 4:37 pmhere goes again… i’m just back from some more yard work and hear randi talking about it, as exasperated about it as i am…
did you hear about the man in chicago who set himself on fire as a protest against this war???? …probably not… it’s not covered my any major news outlets… only made a local paper when a curious reporter decided to dig into the story… the link i posted was the international herald tribune, also globe and mail - both foreign…
now it’s posted at http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ eandp/ news/ article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003438519 via randi’s site…
.
4 YEARS LATE & $350 BILLION SHORT
Hey Senator while you are at it, why don’t you rescind the “Warner Act”; the one where you authorized the President to put troops on the streets of the USA in case of public unrest.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:45 pmWarner knows of those now-infamous words of GWB’s….that when “civil war” breaks out in Iraq, we will immediately remove ourtroops from harm’s way” doesn’t he? Now it’s time to put the integrity of our patriotism on that promise….because that’s precisely where they are - they’ve become “caught in the crossfire” and “targets themselves”. Time to get them out of harm’s way, as the pres said some time ago. Hopefully, his level of senile dementia still permits a relatively “short term memory”??
November 28th, 2006 at 4:52 pm#7 Thanks for reminding me.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:53 pmBush seized this unprecedented power on the very same day that he signed the equally odious Military Commissions Act of 2006. In a sense, the two laws complement one another. One allows for torture and detention abroad, while the other seeks to enforce acquiescence at home, preparing to order the military onto the streets of America.
And if the Warner Act is not rescinded, the people will definitely be out in the streets soon.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:53 pm“Public unrest” is putting it gently. “Public outrage” is more descriptive these days. People want answers and they want them now; people want justice and they want it now. This level of corruption has gone on far too long.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:54 pmTell that to Bush.
November 28th, 2006 at 4:54 pmBarney….sic him…….uhhh, barney?!? Not you too!?!
November 28th, 2006 at 5:02 pmJust get the troops out of there, and do it now.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:02 pm#14 Wow…Zooey and I agree.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:06 pmWell, at least it hasn’t taken an American “Civil” War for these morons to start making some sense. I was definitely beginning to wonder…
November 28th, 2006 at 5:11 pmNotice how the reichwing trolls like Mighty Hermaphrodite have absolutely NOTHING to say in this thread. They’re hoping this will go away quietly.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:15 pmIn the coming months,the Bush administration will discover that most criticism for its policies will come from Republicans who saw their big loss of the Congress as a result of Bush’s foreign policy….Republicans now know that staying the course is nothing but more defeats in the future for them. Bush adminstration,unless, it changes course;the so called ‘Staying The Course’, is not a good seller.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:17 pmWow…Zooey and I agree.
Comment by Exley
Ow! My brain…!
November 28th, 2006 at 5:17 pmSo the french were right after all .. some advice for conservatives: Friends can (and should) disagree with you sometimes.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:17 pmYou left out my favorite.
Cheese eating surrender-monkey.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:21 pmI have noticed MA only likes to comment on threads about the military, and threads about money. It has learned to stay away from most threads.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:23 pmHere’s a strategy:
November 28th, 2006 at 5:25 pmGFOASAP
Ow! My brain…!
Comment by Zooey
Ha ha! :)
Hi, Ex.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:25 pm#19…Don’t worry, Zooey! The pain will pass…I am sure this is an aberration.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:27 pmHi Juan….Long time, no chat. I was away for the holiday and wasn’t posting. How are ya?
November 28th, 2006 at 5:28 pmLong time, no chat. I was away for the holiday and wasn’t posting. How are ya?
Comment by Exley
We noticed that, Ex. We had wonderful discussions. Heh. :)
Everything´s ok, but Im really tired. I guess Im gonna take a nap.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:32 pmSomeday I’m gonna take a dirt nap.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:36 pmNotice how the reichwing trolls like Mighty Hermaphrodite have absolutely NOTHING to say in this thread.
Comment by Tom3 — November 28, 2006 @ 5:15 pm
I have noticed MA only likes to comment on threads about the military, and threads about money.
Comment by ForTruth — November 28, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
Actually, I think our knuckle dragging cross dresser is refining Its recently stated theory that Democrats are opposed to Lieberman because the party is “embracing an anti-Semitic philosophy”. This is a very big and very wide smear, without any evidence to back it (and much evidence to the contrary), so It is working furiously to put together some kind of manifesto to justify this putrid nonsense.
November 28th, 2006 at 5:40 pmDon’t worry, Zooey! The pain will pass…I am sure this is an aberration.
Comment by Exley
Don’t be so sure of that, Ex, you could have learned something over Thanksgiving. Hope springs eternal…
November 28th, 2006 at 5:46 pmHow about “Swig the Coors.” for a new statement of our Nation’s course?
November 28th, 2006 at 5:52 pmMA labels anyone with a point to make about Israel an anti-semite. But then TP stays so far away from any discussion of how US support for Israel’s apartheid rule in Greater Israel, so those moments are rare. Funny how the jackboots are now on the other foot and no sensible discussion can be held about it in the US….
November 28th, 2006 at 6:06 pmHow about “Swig the Coors.†for a new statement of our Nation’s course?
Comment by WaltTheMan — November 28, 2006 @ 5:52 pm
huh? should we all take a swig of Coors?
;)
November 28th, 2006 at 6:10 pmTerrytheTurtle,
Funny how we haven’t heard anything about Jimmy Carter’s new book re: Israel’s Apartheid of Palestine.
November 28th, 2006 at 6:14 pmThose who have critisized the title conveniently forget that Desmond Tutu compared the situation to Apartheid some 4 years ago.
Go figure….
Coors? I’ve pissed better beer…
November 28th, 2006 at 6:15 pmNor did the recent US veto against the condemnation of Israel’s ‘collateral damage’ attack last week catch any press behind the ‘electronic Berlin Wall’…. thanks for the Carter book tip.
On topic: calling this a civil war strips any plausible reason for this US adventure to be called anything other than a disaster with long lasting consequences. The figleaf that the puppet govt had of any legitimacy disappears when you use the civil war label. Not to mention that the prime minister was stoned by his own sect in Sadr City this weekend…
Bush is now posing that he is soliciting input - he has no position but ’stay the course’ now until James Baker tells him what to do next.
November 28th, 2006 at 6:25 pmcoors = bad
November 28th, 2006 at 6:30 pmcoors family finances rightwing bullshite…
nuff said…
terrytheturtle - i’ve seen another poster by the name of ‘turtle’ - thought maybe you shortened your name… guess not…
November 28th, 2006 at 6:32 pmwhere are you today? curious…
Coors? I’ve pissed better beer…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
When I was a teen, we used to call it cougar piss. Don’t know how it tasted, I was WAY too young to drink. :)
November 28th, 2006 at 6:35 pmRight on Katy….
Sam Adams - Brewer, Patriot….
November 28th, 2006 at 6:35 pmPete Coors - Brewer, fascist…
RIGA, Latvia - Under intense pressure to change course, President Bush on Tuesday rejected suggestions Iraq has fallen into civil war and vowed not to pull U.S. troops out “until the mission is complete.”
November 28th, 2006 at 6:36 pmkaty - nope, turtle is not me, nor is terry. Today the Turtle blogs from Juneau….plenty of white stuff on the ground…
November 28th, 2006 at 6:39 pm…President Bush on Tuesday rejected suggestions Iraq has fallen into civil war and vowed not to pull U.S. troops out “until the mission is complete.â€
Comment by Tobey Tall
The problem, among many, is that GWB has no concept of what the completed mission looks like. Every life in Iraq could be snuffed out, and he’d still be uncertain.
November 28th, 2006 at 6:40 pm“and that mission is what, exactly, Chimpy?” came the follow up question….maybe not Tobey…
November 28th, 2006 at 6:41 pmDidn’t Rush come up with a handy definition on the other thread Zoo?
November 28th, 2006 at 6:43 pmAs long as Bush is president, he will not change course in Iraq. Period. And don’t be surprised when he attacks Iran.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:06 pmthis is the meaning of dienowforpeace.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:08 pmDidn’t Rush come up with a handy definition on the other thread Zoo?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Pfffft.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:09 pmDieNowForPeace,
Linkee no workee
November 28th, 2006 at 7:11 pm“There is one thing I’m not going to do. I am not going to pull our troops off the battlefield before the mission is complete,â€
He just really doesn’t see anything past the swirling miasma an inch in front of his nose, does he.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:12 pmUnfortunately the thread about newt gangrenetch dead ended. But I urge You to read through this:
November 28th, 2006 at 7:13 pmhttp://www.gwu.edu/ ~nsarchiv/ news/ 20010430/ northwoods.pdf
Even though some of You might know about it, this is what happened ever since the repubs took power.
Sorry, RS, your page link got a “Bad title” PAGE UP…
November 28th, 2006 at 7:14 pmFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The requested page title was invalid, empty, an incorrectly linked inter-language or inter-wiki title, or contained unsupported characters.
He said Washington would continue to be flexible and make the necessary changes in its tactics to deal with sectarian violence.
And this is even worse… W is fine with being flexible, and make necessary changes…blah blah~!
November 28th, 2006 at 7:15 pmHe couldn’t make necessary changes of underwear.
#50
November 28th, 2006 at 7:31 pmHmm.
Isn’t “Mission Accomplished” = “Mission Complete”?
Or was it Missing Accomplished? Mission Plot?
Stupid Complete? Is the sh*t h*tting the fan now?
Well it edited the link. Just replace the underscore with a dot.
November 28th, 2006 at 7:37 pmhttp://www_gwu.edu/ ~nsarchiv/ news/ 20010430/ northwoods.pdf
This is what Bush created in Iraq. Read it here: http://www.michaelmoore.com/ words/ latestnews/ index.php?id=8494. This is sad and sick.
November 28th, 2006 at 8:51 pmCharlottesville (sp)
November 28th, 2006 at 9:11 pmCharlottesville (sp)
November 28th, 2006 at 9:13 pmHas anyone been following this Shi’ite burning Sunnis story? I have.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:20 pmHow’s this for ‘winning hearts and minds’?
November 28th, 2006 at 9:34 pmComment by Mr. Evil — November 28, 2006 @ 8:51 pm
Quoting Michael Moore is like quoting Rush, real hard to get the real truth out because he is so far to one side.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:34 pmtundra - did you read the story?
November 28th, 2006 at 9:38 pmit wasn’t written by moore… go ahead, give it a try…
“Stay the Course” has dropped to #5 on the “Top 10 GOP Sound Bites List.”
November 28th, 2006 at 9:41 pmKaty,
I did read the story. I don’t doubt that that incident happened either. But it’s like a conservative posting a story about a school being built and getting everyone saying how great things are there. Yes schools do get built and medical treatment gets to some who need it, but life is not rosy.
Yes there are beheadings, there are groups of thugs who run around and force their will on others. Saddam was doing the same crap when he ran the joint so nothing has really changed except who’s getting killed and tortured (It’s more even sided now).
November 28th, 2006 at 9:44 pmNothing has changed Tundra? Can you honestly say that? I am astounded.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:47 pmReally just more people are involved now. Saddam use to have a lock on all torture. The market has opened and more people are able to take part in this tradition.
http://www.usatoday.com/ news/ world/ iraq/ 2003-04-13-saddam-secrets-usat_x.htm
November 28th, 2006 at 9:51 pmSo, Tundra, exponentially more people are being tortured and burned alive. That doesn’t sound like nothing has changed to me.
November 28th, 2006 at 9:54 pmCongratulations on your attempt at rationalization though. Bravo!!
November 28th, 2006 at 9:55 pmJohn Warner (R) Virginia or (which way is the wind blowing!!)
November 28th, 2006 at 10:08 pmJPark,
Personally I didn’t care then and I still don’t care now. I know, I know, how could I.
I didn’t want the war, whatever reason you handed me I didn’t want us to go. Saying now though, There is torture see what we did is nieve. I could link you hundreds of articles from around the time of the war when 80% of the population was behind it. Detailing how evil the man was. Personally I felt if they wanted it to stop, they would have stopped it themselves.
They are killing each other over there because they are a different religion. It’s been happening for hundreds of years, in hundreds of years it will still be happening.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:12 pmOk, Tundra, fair enough. You want us to butt out. We agree on that. I just wish we would have done that before.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:20 pmBut Tundra, somehow I think that somebody could come up with quotes by you that were supportive of Bush’s war. Am I wrong?
November 28th, 2006 at 10:21 pmOk, Tundra, fair enough. You want us to butt out. We agree on that. I just wish we would have done that before.
Comment by JPark — November 28, 2006 @ 10:20 pm
I was of the mindset, until very recently that we broke it we have to fix it. I have came to the realization that we can’t, they don’t want it fixed. It was broke before we got there (this time). The little groups there all want to be fully in charge. They have lived under a dictator so long, that they don’t know how to act without one ruling with an iron fist.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:27 pmBut Tundra, somehow I think that somebody could come up with quotes by you that were supportive of Bush’s war. Am I wrong?
Comment by JPark — November 28, 2006 @ 10:21 pm
Yes!
I was always against going, that will never change. The part that did change was I felt since we broke it, we had to remain and help get it under control. Now I no longer care what happens over there and risking one more American soldiers life for the lot of them is too many.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:30 pmah crap I posted without my link - anyhow google ‘iraq us soldiers youtube water children’ for an interesting counterpoint to all the schoolbuilding and sweet throwing you see on US TV. Not all US soldiers are saints…
November 28th, 2006 at 10:36 pm#75 I apologize then. We totally agree on pulling out.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:40 pmBush Adviser’s Memo Cites Doubts About Iraqi Leader
WASHINGTON, Nov. 28 — A classified memorandum by President Bush’s national security adviser expressed serious doubts about whether Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki had the capacity to control the sectarian violence in Iraq and recommended that the United States take new steps to strengthen the Iraqi leader’s position.
The Nov. 8 memo was prepared for Mr. Bush and his top deputies by Stephen J. Hadley, the national security adviser, and senior aides on the staff of the National Security Council after a trip by Mr. Hadley to Baghdad.
The memo suggests that if Mr. Maliki fails to carry out a series of specified steps, it may ultimately be necessary to press him to reconfigure his parliamentary bloc, a step the United States could support by providing “monetary support to moderate groups,†and by sending thousands of additional American troops to Baghdad to make up for what the document suggests is a current shortage of Iraqi forces.
http://www.nytimes.com/ 2006/ 11/ 29/ world/ middleeast/ 29military.html?hp&ex=1164776400&en=e26b5b9841cd9c54&ei=5094&partner=homepage
November 28th, 2006 at 10:44 pmNot all US soldiers are saints…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — November 28, 2006 @ 10:36 pm
Not all Liberals are saints
November 28th, 2006 at 10:45 pmNot all Priests are saints
Not all Bloggers are saints
Not all People who dress up as santa clause for christmas are saints
Not all Hindu’s are saints
Not all white people are saints
Not all cops are saints
Not all bald people are saints
Not all CEO’s are saints
Not all cashiers at Wal-Mart are saints
Not all Mother Theresa’s are saints (I may be wrong on that one)
Not all politicians are saints
You are right about Mother Theresa from what I hear.
November 28th, 2006 at 10:58 pmAye Tundra - nobody is. But the simple equation in Iraq was always this:
One shit cancels out 100 attaboys…
November 28th, 2006 at 11:05 pmOne shit cancels out 100 attaboys…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — November 28, 2006 @ 11:05 pm
Yes it does
I’m a vet and proud of it. I’m not proud of select members who happen to be vets too, because they ruin the name of alot of people who are doing and have done a damn good job with what they had, and what they are/were against.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:17 pmHere’s the US soldiers taunting Iraqi kids with water…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A_vxIOB-I
November 28th, 2006 at 11:18 pmNew Strategies® is a sleek December product that we think is coming on strong. AEI has done the work-up, and push-polling produces a 40, which is close enough for wet work (ha-ha). If we can make it to the holidays, the Dems will be so happy with their new toy that the special-interests on their fringe is going to eat their agenda alive.
I was disappointed by the performance of Project Procrastination®. I really thought that one was going to do a lot more work for us than it did. I guess Baker isn’t what he used to be.
Wow, 2883 soldiers. Hey, ‘more rubble, less trouble’ is what ain’t quite ‘Shock and Awe,’ but I still think AEI has gotten your job done. It wasn’t pretty, but it got us over, right?
November 29th, 2006 at 3:24 amNot all Liberals are saints
Not all Priests are saints
Not all Bloggers are saints
Tundra
It seems you only posted as “Not all … are saints” those you have a disagreement with, or those you consider neutral.
Why? Seems almost pathological that you overlook some obvious ones.
Not all libertarians are saints, either.
November 29th, 2006 at 4:52 amthose you have a disagreement with, or those you consider neutral.
? I tend to have some people in my life who I care deeply about who fit into these catagories.
Not all cashiers at Wal-Mart are saints
Not all bald people are saints
Not all People who dress up as santa clause for christmas are saints
Not all Liberals are saints
Not all Hindu’s are saints
Not all white people are saints
Not all cops are saints
But you are correct, Not all Libertarians are saints either.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:49 amAt an average of 8 billion dollars spent monthly on this Iraqi war….how much can the US government go,while we are in debt? As a result the dollar cannot sustain such pressure for a long time.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:59 amAt an average of 8 billion dollars spent monthly on this Iraqi war….how much can the US government go,while we are in debt? As a result the dollar cannot sustain such pressure for a long time.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:00 amWarner is such a tough talker who has rubber stamped everything Bush and Cheney wanted. He has no credibility left.
November 29th, 2006 at 8:38 amYes, Warner was for the war before he was against it. We are entering the CYA phase of the Republican debacle. You see signs of it everywhere. I can’t wait until the new Congress takes over and we begin to see the real effects of the Democratic Wave and how steadfast the old Rubber Stampers hold onto their ideological politics.
November 29th, 2006 at 8:48 amanother rat fleeing the sinking ship.
November 29th, 2006 at 8:56 am