Right-Wing Attack On Pelosi Over ‘Union Hypocrisy’ Systematically Debunked
Right-Wing Attack On Pelosi Over ‘Union Hypocrisy’ Systematically Debunked
House Speaker-designate Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has made passing critical labor reforms, like raising the minimum wage and enacting the Employee Free Choice Act, a priority for the 110th Congress. To distract from that effort, right-wing media outlets are now engaged in an effort to tar Pelosi as anti-worker.
The conservative claim, initiated by Hoover Institution fellow Peter Schweizer, is that Pelosi and her husband are guilty of hypocrisy over workers’ rights because they own a vineyard in Napa Valley that is non-union. The claim has filtered up through the blogs to Fox News and conservative print outlets like Investor’s Business Daily.
Last night, the ABC News affiliate in San Francisco filed an investigative report that systematically debunks the charge. Watch it:
Here are the key facts:
1) Pelosi treats her workers better than unionized vineyard workers. “The Pelosis pay more than union workers are paid in the same valley — that from the pastor at St. Helena’s Catholic Church, a well known advocate for farm workers who’s involved in labor negotiations with the same labor manager the Pelosis use. … Monsignor Brenkle says the Pelosis pay a $1.25 an hour more than workers at Napa’s biggest union winery. … Of the more than 300 vineyards, fewer than four are union, and most of the farm workers in the Napa Valley get paid better.”
2) Pelosi is prohibited by law from helping her workers unionize. If Pelosi wanted to have union workers, “she could not ask the union for a contract. It’s illegal and has been since 1975.” Marc Grossman of the United Farm Workers Union explains: “It is patently illegal for any grower to even discuss a union contract, which is the only way you can supply union workers, without the workers first having voted in a state conducted secret ballot election.”
An ABC News reporter asked Peter Schweizer “if he had researched those facts before he called Pelosi a hypocrite.” Schweitzer responded, “It’s not my responsibility to go and find out how every single particular circumstance is handled on the Pelosi vineyard.” Why burden yourself with the facts?
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Pelosi can take the heat, she'll do a great job.
November 29th, 2006 at 4:57 pm"Why burden yourself with the facts? "
Well if that doesn't sum up the Right-wing MO, I'm sure I don't know what would.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:01 pmThe Hoover Institute: wrong about Pelosi, wrong about Iraq, wrong about the effects of minimum wage hikes, wrong about Social Security solvency, wrong about tax policy.... What exactly has the Hoover Insitute been right about? And to think they're a "think tank" located on the farm at Stanford. It's enough to make one suspect that they're not really a think tank after all, but an organization of partisan hacks shilling for corporate power.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:01 pmIf Pelosi does all these things that the right thinks the dems don't like, then the right should be embracing her.
Does that TV Guy look like G-dub a bit?
November 29th, 2006 at 5:11 pmThe Hoover Institute: wrong about Pelosi, wrong about Iraq, wrong about the effects of minimum wage hikes, wrong about Social Security solvency, wrong about tax policy….
HOOVER Institue; it more than sucks, it VACCUMS
November 29th, 2006 at 5:11 pmis mark matthews a bush lookalike? ... sure could be...
November 29th, 2006 at 5:12 pmre-publicans have a rabies pandemic.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:13 pmI wonder how much she is saving on health care costs and other union expenses by using non union workers? Hypocrite!
November 29th, 2006 at 5:16 pmWow. She pays her workers better than the Union.
Is that part of those crazy San Francisco Values?
Go figure.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:21 pm#9
November 29th, 2006 at 5:21 pmHave You not been told earlier to go and inform yourself before you post?
Michael,
This is the second thread where you have failed to read (and/or comprehend) anything written.
She can't help start a union. Against the law. Just like the Commandments of the last thread.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:23 pmMaybe Sylvan Learning Centers can help you with Reading Comprehension.
An ABC News reporter asked Peter Schweizer “if he had researched those facts before he called Pelosi a hypocrite.†Schweitzer responded, “It’s not my responsibility to go and find out how every single particular circumstance is handled on the Pelosi vineyard.†Why burden yourself with the facts?
Thank you Mr. Schweizer for effectively negating any "research" done by you. Who needs facts when you've formed the conclusion you want?
November 29th, 2006 at 5:24 pm#9...
November 29th, 2006 at 5:25 pmMayhaps she practices non-toxic agriculture, and her workers are healthier than those who work in the chemical vineyards. You know, the ones where they don't care if the pesticides they spray get into the waterways..........
P.S. I love being right (I mean correct)...
When this issue came up previously, before the mid-term elections, I postulated that perhaps the Hon. Ms. Pelosi paid her workers more than the union vineyards.....
say no more, say no more,
nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean?
this story derives from that horrible she-male, melanie morgan---you know, the right-wing strap0on queen who says she has a 'bulls0-eye' on pelosi... i saw the skanky bushwhore on fox the other night talking about this issue...
November 29th, 2006 at 5:26 pm#9 michael
I wonder how much she is saving on health care costs and other union expenses by using non union workers? Hypocrite!
Go back and read the whole thing, michael. Read it slowly. If you need someone to explain it to you, don't be afraid to ask for help. Pay close attention to the parts that mention: "the Pelosis pay a $1.25 an hour more than workers at Napa’s biggest union winery" and "Of the more than 300 vineyards, fewer than four are union" and "Pelosi is prohibited by law from helping her workers unionize."
November 29th, 2006 at 5:26 pmIsn't it great that there's a news network like Fox with limited capability for finding and reporting the truth, just for people like michael who have a limited capability for comprehending it?
November 29th, 2006 at 5:33 pmRepublicans lying! Stop the Presses! It would be news if they ever told the truth. By the way maybe the Hoover Institute should look into the connection betwen the Bush Family and Nazi Germany.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:33 pm"She can’t help start a union. Against the law"
I read all that. I just can't hold back my amusement watching you lefties falling all over each other in your collective admiration over someone who is paying their workers $1.50 an hour more than union workers but at the same time she is probably saving thousands of dollars per person on union related expenses. The unions are one of the lefts biggest constituants. On the one hand you agonize over WalMarts rejection of unions, even suggesting boycotts. But when it comes to your beloved speaker to be, it's quite alright. Hypocrites!
November 29th, 2006 at 5:34 pmIf you don't do the research, then don't go around making accusations based on ignorance! It's that simple.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:36 pmmichael, please try framing your point logically. Please provide your data on how much she is saving.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:37 pmyes, chimpeach, it is good that fox can cater to the great heaving unthinking cretinous yobs...
as jon stewart might say, 'finally, someone is saying what someone that doesn't think is thinking...'
November 29th, 2006 at 5:37 pmhey look...it's michael, our new little troll! And one who doesn't even read the article, just goes into "blah blah blah blah...hyporcrite!" mode!
Gawd how I miss JMH! (okay, that was a stretch, but at least he attempted to read the article before posting his nonsensical rants)
November 29th, 2006 at 5:37 pmMichael, just stop the needling. We're laughing at you!
November 29th, 2006 at 5:38 pmCrap. MA is going to be pissed that it was spouting off about this, making an assssss out of itself
November 29th, 2006 at 5:38 pmMikey, lefties are concerned with worker's rights. Much of the time it takes a union to stand up to a business that would exploit them, but there are some enlightened employers who'd rather treat their employees like people instead of units of input. Go Figure.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:41 pmWalmart has special "union-busting" teams. Are you implying Pelosi does the same?
Repubs in the house and senate practically melt down at the very idea of increasing the minimum wage by a dollar or more. They say it will cause financial ruin! Doesn't seem to have hurt Pelosi or any of the others in Napa valley.
Keep trying, Michael. Or whatever your name is.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:41 pm[...] it’s just too easy to prove how stupid they are. Permalink| [...]
November 29th, 2006 at 5:42 pmUnions came to be because some not-so-nice employers took advantage of their workers.
So here's a shining example of someone treating her employees so well that they don't need or want (or whatever) a union, and you are saying it's hypocritical?
Are we on the same planet?
November 29th, 2006 at 5:43 pmOh, that's just lovely...
That made my smiles smile.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:46 pmWell, li'l Mikey wingtard, do you know that she saves thousands in health care costs, or are you following the line that it's not up to you to find the facts, like that pissant liar whose knob you're gobbling? Are you making stuff up, again? I just can't hold back my amusement watching you moronic brownshirts lie through your teeth in your oh-so-christian, family values way. Your party is done, ruined and flushed. All of your presidential hopefuls are out in the street come January, and your president is going to be indicted before '07 is out. And Pelosi will be the engine, so keep up the lies. We can smell the fear all over you, and your embarrassment at being a coddler of criminals, psychopaths and pedophiles. You and yours have done more long-term damage to the USA than Osama could have wished in his wildest dreams.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:46 pmFrom Metroactive website:
"The exact number of both regular and migrant farm workers in Sonoma and Napa counties is unknown. The 2000 census showed that Latinos made up 23.7 percent and 17.3 percent of Napa and Sonoma counties' population, respectively. And few of the farm workers have health insurance, though again the numbers are sketchy. In Sonoma County, 60,000 people are estimated to be uninsured, but experts have called that number low, and no one knows how many are farm workers. Napa's Queen of the Valley Hospital estimated that 64 percent of Latinos in Napa County are uninsured."
So you better ask Pelosi what kind of health care she is providing her workers on top of that whopping $1.25/hr more she is paying them. This should be investigated!
November 29th, 2006 at 5:52 pmThe email I sent to the Hoover Institute:
"...the Institution itself must constantly and dynamically point the road to peace, to personal freedom, and to the safeguards of the American system."
As I am sure you are aware, those words are from Herbert Hoover's statement of purpose for the Institution that bears his name. In the current political climate--heavy with partisan infighting, media hyperbole, and questions about the course of American democracy--Hoover's charge serves as a clear-headed reminder of our duties as engaged citizens.
It's a reminder that Institution fellow Peter Schweizer seems to have forgotten. I watched Mr. Schweizer embarrass himself on ABC News as he responded to a just-discredited attack on incoming Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. The facts Schweizer presented in his book Liberal Hypocrisy suggest Ms. Pelosi is talking out of both sides of her mouth--accepting money from unions and supporting pro-worker legislation while not employing union workers at her own vineyard.
In fact, as ABC reported, it would be against the law for Pelosi to initiate a union on her property. Additionally, her employees enjoy better wages and benefits than the unionized workers in Napa Valley.
An ABC News reporter asked Schweizer “if he had researched those facts before he called Pelosi a hypocrite.†Schweitzer responded, “It’s not my responsibility to go and find out how every single particular circumstance is handled on the Pelosi vineyard.â€
I'm am not writing to vent my anger about a character attack from a partisan opponent--I live in the early 21st century and have learned to take such challenges with a grain of salt, regardless of the political affiliation of the source.
I am writing out of dismay and sadness that an organization founded on the optimism and rationality of Hoover's above statement would grant Schweizer the title of fellow. Embarrassing oneself has become a common occurrence in today's Internet-driven 24-hour news cycle and cannot be avoided.
But in this case, Schweizer embarrassed your organization with his shoddy research and his cavalier attitude towards the facts.
Regards,
November 29th, 2006 at 5:54 pmPelosi gives them housing, three meals, medical and dental, and $1.50 more than union wages in the area - and she doesn't have "union-related" expenses?
It's time to coin a term: Pelosi Derangement Syndrome. I fear we're going to be seeing a whole lot of PDS over the next few years...
November 29th, 2006 at 5:55 pm[...] Meanwhile, winger blogs and media spigots have been trying to smear Nancy Pelosi and her husband as “Democratic hypocrites” over labor practices at their vineyard. ThinkProgress details the nonsense. What’s encouraging here is that an ABC affiliate actually did some legwork to find out that the charges were a crock. It was not so long ago that it would have been standard operating procedure to treat the whole thing as a he-said, she-said pissing match and not bother trying to put it in factual context. [...]
November 29th, 2006 at 5:55 pmCrap. MA is going to be pissed that it was spouting off about this, making an assssss out of itself
Comment by RUCerious —
MA always makes an ass-ette out of itself. When proven wrong, he/she merely ignores the particular thread and then find something else to rant the G(reedy)O(ld)P(ervert) talking points with.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:56 pmThank you for getting on this immediately, before blogs can start muddying the waters with speculation.
The right puts out a constant stream of lies, manipulated quotes and quips. We've got to get the facts straight and hold firm instead of being sucked into discussing this shit.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:58 pm.
#26 michael
I read all that. I just can’t hold back my amusement watching you lefties falling all over each other in your collective admiration over someone who is paying their workers $1.50 an hour more than union workers but at the same time she is probably saving thousands of dollars per person on union related expenses.
So, trying to help you understand the article equates to us falling all over each other in admiration for Pelosi? I guess we should all just keep quiet when a delusional dimwit starts throwing around baseless accusations.
Michael, your point is wrong. The Pelosis are paying more than union wages. They don't have to. What are they "probably" saving money on? Healthcare? Pensions? Workplace safety? If they're not giving the workers a fair shake, the workers can unionize. Why don't you go do the research and then come back and tell us something factual, rather than tell us what you think is "probably" happening only because you wish it were.
You've got nothing. You've made an ass of yourself and you know it.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:58 pmThat Nancy Pelosi has a nerve. Frickin' uppity woman.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:00 pmThank god for blogs like thinkprogress who actually do fact check these right wing liars. It's like the domino theory has come back only instead of supporting right wing dictators to stop communism, we're using blogs to stop the domino effect of right wing lies.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:05 pm[...] It suddenly occurred to me why some people like the GOP: they like lies, and the GOP is a never-flagging source of lies. They lie constantly. Here’s the latest: a lie that Nancy Pelosi is anti-union in practice. [...]
November 29th, 2006 at 6:13 pm#32 - Well spake!
November 29th, 2006 at 6:14 pmI read all that. I just can’t hold back my amusement watching you lefties falling all over each other in your collective admiration over someone who is paying their workers $1.50 an hour more than union workers but at the same time she is probably saving thousands of dollars per person on union related expenses. Comment by Michael
You're almost as fun as Daryll Mikey. After claiming that you 'read all of that' you state that the workers are getting $1.50 an hour more than union workers. Read it again slowly Mikey, it's $1.25. Since you can't even get the know facts right about what Pelosi is actually doing, we'll have to further discount what you speculate Pelosi is 'probably' doing.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:15 pmIsn’t it great that there’s a news network like Fox with limited capability for finding and reporting the truth, just for people like michael who have a limited capability for comprehending it?
Comment by chimpeach — November 29, 2006 @ 5:33 pm
well... no... actually...
yes, i know you are being facetious, but i am serious... fox is purposefully keeping the michaels stoopid... and the michaels like it... so sad...
November 29th, 2006 at 6:17 pmRUCerious, if you've got the lyingbastardometer cranked up you may want to stay off of the Think Fast thread unless you've installed some fusible links. Daryll's been talking about his military service.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:18 pmFacts... shmacts...
Schweitzer responded, “It’s not my responsibility to go and find out how every single particular circumstance is handled on the Pelosi vineyard.â€
Actually it is your responsibility Peter, that's what fact-checkers are for.
There sure is a lot of Pelosi "news" lately, obviously she's threatening to these scumbags.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:19 pmActually, this making sh*t up stuff could be lots of fun. Let me try.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:24 pmGeorge Bush has slaves on his ranch in Crawford.
Dick Cheney is a very good shot with a shotgun and a beer or ten.
Billy O'Reilly is a very sophisticated guy with a lot of panache.
God this is fun!
Quad - The lyingbastardometer's been in the shop for a week or so after I accidentally had it turned on and was flipping past some fair and balanced something or other.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:25 pm#46 - Yeah, I was looking at that. So how's a 24 year old African American graduate of Oral Roberts with a CIS degree spending 2001 - 2004 in the Marines?
November 29th, 2006 at 6:26 pmRight.
Ahhhh yes…..The same Hoover Institution that gave us “mushroom cloud†Rice appears to place fact checking as a low priority……that must be the real attraction for prospective conservative fellows….why burden yourself with sticky facts….it’s systemic.....
November 29th, 2006 at 6:30 pmLets stop calling them Think Tanks. They're Brain Whores and nothing more.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:32 pmWhat is gained by arguing with someone like micheal? He is here only to disrupt and no amount of facts or reasoning is going to stop him doing what he does
November 29th, 2006 at 6:33 pmRUCerious, if you’ve got the lyingbastardometer cranked up you may want to stay off of the Think Fast thread unless you’ve installed some fusible links. Daryll’s been talking about his military service.
--- Quadrajet
TP deleted (censored) my response to Daryll and his lies on that thread. I gave up before I blew a fuse.
Daryll really set off my bullchit meter bad on that thread.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:33 pmMark Matthews: Going Places
Peter Schweizer: Caught Whacking Off
Who do you Trust?
U decide...
November 29th, 2006 at 6:35 pmHow much money in "non-union" dues do the Pelosi's paythe United Farm Workers?
November 29th, 2006 at 6:35 pm#54 - Hope you have a good gizmo shop where your chitmeter can get refurbicated. Seems like my gizmos take a pounding around this site.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:37 pmHope you have a good gizmo shop where your chitmeter can get refurbicated. --- RUCerious
LMAO!
November 29th, 2006 at 6:43 pm#49 RUCerious, no wonder lyingbastardometer techs are pro-bush. They're making a killing in the era of neocon bullshit artists/propogandists.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:44 pmDaryll really set off my bullchit meter bad on that thread.
Comment by Wayne — November 29, 2006 @ 6:33 pm
So you're equipment pegged out over there too Wayne? Not surprised. But let's give Daryl a little credit , afterall it must be incredibly difficult to type with his head up his ass to his shoulders.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:49 pmQuadra - I heard of one tech sustaining serious injury when he had it plugged in for testing during the State of the Union speech.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:50 pmDear ROTFL - You may not care that our neighbors of more modest means are not going to be allowed the opportunity to save money - but when have YOU cared about those less fortunate than yourself?? The good news - we have many good and reasonable places to shop here in beautiful San Diego.
Better change your evil ways -- I'm sensing a Kingsford briquet stocking for you......
November 29th, 2006 at 6:51 pm#63 - Hmmmm, must have been an aprentice. Everybody knows you don't remove the back cover while bush is on the air. Rookie mistake.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:53 pmThere wasn't any discussion of health benefits or other perks that may outweigh the $1.25/hr difference. Eh, whatever, this is petty crap to be throwing around. If they are trying to smear her, they had better come up with something better than that crap.
November 29th, 2006 at 6:54 pmSan Diego is a great town. When I went there I couldn't believe how low some of the prices in the grocery store were. Liquor is cheap as hell too. I guess they have to make up for $0.33/kWh electricity.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:02 pmPeople working in a union shop have their wages garnished in order to pay for health benefits and the luxuries bestowed on union parasites. If Nancy is paying her employees an extra $1.25, they are probably taking an entra $2.00 - $3.00 home per hour. That works out to $80.00 to $120.00 per week.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:11 pmHoly Crap...
Scheisser (heh) actually said it was "not his job" to fact check his hit piece.
not his job to to his job,
wow
yet another shining example of that "Personal Responsibility" we keep hearing about from the wing-nuts.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:13 pm10,000 homeless in San Diego.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:18 pmHowever, there's a good chance that Nancy is employing illegal aliens on her vineyards.
There's also the slight possibility that she's receiving an inflated price for her grapes (for one reason or another). She's only required to file a range of income for the vineyards, and that leads a lot of room for her to get a really premium price. Maybe ABC should look into that. Oops, that's not the kind of "investigative reports" they do.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:19 pmWell MA has made an a$$ out of himself again-don't let facts stand in your way guy- Hell, rethugs never do. Reality is what you want it to be. What is it with you and your kind-you can't stand it that there are decent people in the world?
November 29th, 2006 at 7:30 pmNancy Pelosi unions/vineyards smear debunked!...
How do you know when ABC's San Francisco affiliate does an "investigative report"? When Nancy Pelosi is being attacked, of course. That station offers a report "debunking" claims that the workers at her vineyards and......
November 29th, 2006 at 7:34 pmWhy do Republicans hate small business owners?
November 29th, 2006 at 7:41 pmAs a Stanford graduate, I never ceased to be embarrassed that these Hoover Morons are hosted by my Alma Mater.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:59 pmThe Hoover Institute - they don't clean up, they just suck.
November 29th, 2006 at 8:09 pm[...] The right-wing-mouthpiece Hoover Institute accused Pelosi of being a hypocrite for not hiring union workers for her vineyard. All the standard right-wing media outlets are picking the story up, but it turns out she pays more than unions do, and she CAN’T legally hire union workers!read more | digg story [...]
November 29th, 2006 at 8:40 pmDo you enjoy:
A 40 hour work week?
Weekends?
Available health care coverage?
Safety in the workplace?
A fair wage?
Thank a UNION!
November 29th, 2006 at 8:40 pmis this website sensored by liberals or what?
November 29th, 2006 at 9:09 pmwhatever...i accessed this through drudge...if i ever need to know why i am staunch republican, i will come back here....the readers submitting responses to this webpage/blog/chat/whatever are very disenfranchising. completely decoupled from American Values. OUT
November 29th, 2006 at 9:11 pm….the readers submitting responses to this webpage/blog/chat/whatever are very disenfranchising. completely decoupled from American Values. OUT
Comment by 13Disbelief77 —
One of Drudge's finest, apparently.
November 29th, 2006 at 9:23 pmWow. Is this lame! This is an argument? When fast food restaurants pay much more than minimum around here it didn't keep the libs from getting an amendment to our constitution. So why aren't the unions organizing her laborers? Just why are they willing to give up those dues? They don't have a problem trying to organize other places that don't need them.
November 29th, 2006 at 9:34 pm#80 - web_geek,
November 29th, 2006 at 9:39 pmThey enjoy all that in most European countries plus 5 weeks of paid vacation (at hire), 35 hour work weeks and government sponsered health care. The unions only garnish 1 to 2% of wages for all of this. Thank a union?
#60 It will shop the local London Wal-Mart, of course.
November 29th, 2006 at 9:52 pm13Disbelief77, you just told us that you are of subpar intelligence by admitting you are a Drudgie. Ohh, you do know he is a Judy Garland fan, right?
November 29th, 2006 at 9:54 pm82 -whatever…i accessed this through drudge --- 13Disbelief77
I am sorry for the brain damage you obviously have, car accident or your father used your head for a shovel?
November 29th, 2006 at 10:00 pmThese reactionary, blowhards are the ones who have attacked labor unions since Bush took office six years ago, and they have the unmitigated audacity to call Pelosi a hypocrite? Give me a break!
November 29th, 2006 at 10:17 pmNow that was funny!!!
And you claim you own a law firm???
Is it a Union shop? If not, do your non-union employees pay dues to a Union that has no CBA with you? If not? Why not?
I used to think that maybe you were a receptionist or a janitor in a law firm. But this latest bone-head remark shoots even those theories out of the water!
And I know you were soooo looking forward to hearing that I would have to re-take the California State Bar. Sorry to disappoint you, but my name appears on the pass list for the July '06 exam.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:21 pmBNF, it has only been in a law office when it needed legal assistance. I have known that for a long time. Unless it is a South African law office. I suppose it could live there.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:25 pmJPark - "it has only been in a law office when it needed legal assistance."
I dunno - MA's "legal expertise" seems more limited than that.
And I thought I'd pull another Rune for MA. It came out Ken:Fire:Reversed. Again!!! The Universe is trying to tell her something, but she is just not taking the hint!!!
November 29th, 2006 at 10:33 pmThe Hoover Institution: A true intellectual and ethical vacuum.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:34 pmI used to think that maybe you were a receptionist or a janitor in a law firm. But this latest bone-head remark shoots even those theories out of the water!
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
I think the Mighty Haggette is actually the guy who shaves you before surgery.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:41 pmFacts? Facts! We don't need no stinkin' facts!
November 29th, 2006 at 10:44 pmThe reichwingers don't need facts - they spew their venomous lies, fact-free, and if and when they are challenged, they shrug their shoulders. So what? The word is out, their job is done. Retractions are never written.
#92 I don't know how ignorant South African lawyers are. All I know is this schmuck is from England, Australia or South Africa. They moron uses way too many u's. Labour, colour...I am guessing manoeuvre. I do know the guy is half retarded also so maybe that has something to do with the foreign spelling.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:44 pmStop Zooey!!! I think that guy would enjoy that job WAY to much!!
November 29th, 2006 at 10:45 pmThe inevitable conclusion as to why Pelosi's workers have not joined a union is because they do not feel that she is exploiting them. Workers do not join unions in a vacuum, they do so because they feel their rights are being violated or they are not being fairly compensated for their labor. If all business owners treated their workers as fairly as Pelosi seems to be doing, there would be no need for unions. Unfortunately, few business owners have the ethical standards that Speaker Pelosi does.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:45 pmComment by Zooey — November 29, 2006 @ 10:41 pm
OHMYGOD! Don't let it anywhere near a guy getting a vasectomy!!!
November 29th, 2006 at 10:50 pmStop Zooey!!! I think that guy would enjoy that job WAY to much!!
Comment by JPark
Are you scheduled for surgery...? :)
November 29th, 2006 at 10:50 pmLOL, no but I am going to avoid doctors for a long, long time, just in case.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:52 pm#99 I am thinking the jealous bastard would use a straight-blade.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:53 pmif i ever need to know why i am staunch republican, i will come back here….the readers submitting responses to this webpage/blog/chat/whatever are very disenfranchising. completely decoupled from American Values. OUT Comment by 13Disbelief77 — November 29, 2006 @ 9:11 pm
Oh lawdy, my WTF-Incredulometer siren is wailing again, about 130 decibals. I'm looking for my left handed farquardt to turn it off...
November 29th, 2006 at 10:59 pmBNF - Ken:Fire:Reversed
November 29th, 2006 at 11:00 pmdoes that roughly translate to it having a fire up it's arse?
Briseadh na Faire & JPark,
I think I gave you guys the squirmies. :-D
November 29th, 2006 at 11:02 pmRU, that is called a moronomometor.
November 29th, 2006 at 11:03 pm#105 Yah, that would be an understatement!
November 29th, 2006 at 11:12 pmZooey and BnF, you guy's should be ashamed, you'r funnies tonight made me spray my screen with baileys....That will teach me, never read you're post while eating or drinking....LOL
This administration and it's groupies are the sickest lot I have ever seen.... liers, murderers and thieves all, especiely the lieing troll's.....Funny, weird how they have to make up a life profile to justify their post's and existance....Oh well!.....I'm just grateful I have lived long enough to see the beginning of a change to the good....Now if we can get these basterd's out, with Palosis help in 2007 we will have accomplished a lot......Let the investigation's begin....
In the teen's here Zoey, how is it over there?.....Blessings All and Peace for our world.
November 29th, 2006 at 11:14 pmIn the teen’s here Zoey, how is it over there?…..Blessings All and Peace for our world.
Comment by Sharon Cox
The same. But it's supposed to be 30 degrees tomorrow!
November 29th, 2006 at 11:22 pm**teeth chattering**
Comment by RUCerious — November 29, 2006 @ 11:00 pm
KEN reversed means that a fire has gone out of your life. A relationship or opportunity has ended, a door has closed, or a loss has been suffered. Two people have grown apart and has resulted in a painful pbreak. You are clinging to lost loves and failed relationships, causing your own heartaches by not letting go.
This Rune repeatedly comes up for MA, in the reversed position. She went all "oooga boooga" the first time I drew it. I think it hits a little too close to home for her. Sadly, it doesn't appear that she has done anything to change her situation.
November 29th, 2006 at 11:50 pmThe fact is Peter Schweizer is right...the farm is non-union. Normally, the unions will be the first ones to tell you that wages are only part of the equation. Since when did a union feel that it's okay for some "unionable" business to be left alone?!? (I'm shocked, shocked!)
The large amount of time spent in the ABC "news" story on that it's illegal for Pelosi to solicit union workers is misleading. If you read the act, you'll learn that this just extends the non-farm rules to farm labor and the purpose of the rule is to prevent the employer from putting together thier own union or to sway opinion on which union representative to use. If she wanted to unionize, there are plenty of ways for her to approach it. Somehow the ABC report missed this and tries to make it seem like her hands are tied. Bullshit. (Oh, what a surprise.)
She is just using Wal-Mart tactics to keep the unions out. Whatever she says about paying a buck and quarter more per hour, I'm sure she really doesn't want the unions. Law or no law about interference, the union people aren't trying to get in there. For some reason that only Pelosi (and the other growers in the area) and the unions know, the unions are happy the way things are. The question is why is it stopping the unions here and almost never anywhere else?!?
Schweizer is right: she is a hypocrite.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:41 amAl, you've constructed a fine delusion. My complements.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:50 amSystematically Debunked, my ass!
Does she employ non-union workers in her vineyards? Yes or No?
The answer is no, correct? That she pays them more or treats "her workers better" is irrelevant. And point #2 is completely irrelevant.
Those points are irrelevant in her defense because she pressures other employers in other industries to use union workers.
And what about all the non-union workers in Pelosi's hotel and restaurants? Have those facts been "debunked" as well?
November 30th, 2006 at 5:23 amoverreach, fail to grasp.
they lost. BIG.
November 30th, 2006 at 7:54 amcatholic believer - please keep it to youself, like God asked you to. Nobody likes a righteous ass.
thanks.
November 30th, 2006 at 7:55 amOh, this is wonderful
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/29/AR2006112901317_pf.html
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
November 30th, 2006 at 8:39 amOnce again, "michael" forces the question: when faced with the facts, is he willfully ignorant, or just stupid? Hard to say...
November 30th, 2006 at 9:29 amTHIS is what the businesses of our country SHOULD be doing!
The purpose of a union is to have an organization that will stand up for the worker and ensure a fair living wage and workers' rights, especially in the face of an employer who will not guarantee any of the aforementioned needs.
When you have an employer who already provides such needs and rights, a union is NOT NECESSARY.
Note to GoOPers and employers....want to get rid of unions? Do what Nancy Pelosi does. Unions won't exist where there is no need for them to.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:30 amThe trolls on this site are too stooopid to be real. Take the rant from Catlick Believer, for example - that has to be an intentional parody; no human being could possibly be that willing to display his or her idiocy so prominently in a public place.
We need another gadget, I fear, to sort out the true trolls from the fake ones - a Batshitcrazifibulometer, perhaps?
November 30th, 2006 at 10:37 amGood Morning poster's, I see we are graced with an increase of troll traffic, well they will leave soon. It's the end of the month and they must get their word count up and submit their tallies to their christofacists god's headed up by bull shit bush,cheney,rove,rice and all on the reich...They lost in Nov. We won, don't let their mindless posts distract us any more they have no power.
This Palosi trashing is what the reich winged nut cases do, keep our thought's busy while they continue with selling off our country and distruction of the constitution....Stopping the war's and jailing all these murderious liers and thieves is our major goal.....
Warm here this morning.....35 is now considered warm Zooey,...LOL...Compared to yesterday, we are having a heat wave.....Blessings all....Peace, right after Impeachment, Indictment's and jail time for all the reichwinger's involved....
November 30th, 2006 at 11:02 amNo comment? No hypocrisy?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/29/AR2006112901317_pf.html
Oh, and Sharon, if your going to support Pelosi, spell her name right. Hey DRxJ, if I did not spell something right you would jump on me. Or is that just becuase I am so deep under your skin :)
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
November 30th, 2006 at 12:37 pmA great debunk. Schweizer is revealed as an utter fool and hack. I wish more local stations did this sort of thing.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:53 pmPeter Schweizer is a serial killer. He kills prostitutes and buries them in his wine cellar. He lures hoboes into his home with promises of soup and a hot bath then skins them, feeding the rest of the corpse to rabid pigs and using the skin to reupholster his sofa. He likes to dress in Victoria's Secret lingerie and pleasure himself to old videotapes of "Kids Incorporated." He's described World Series Events with the implied oral consent of Major League Baseball, but no express written consent.
Do I know any of this to be true? Hey, “It’s not my responsibility to go and find out how every single particular circumstance is handled in the Schweizer abbatoir, I mean, home.â€
November 30th, 2006 at 1:45 pmEverybody's right, you DO have some kind of reading comprehension problem. Of course, the issue is not only that she cannot help her workers unionize, but that the workers themselves have to elect for themselves via a state run ballot whether they want to unionize or not.
It is their choice whether to unionize and they have choosen not to unionize.
That simple fact by itself attests to how well paid and well treated these workers are (or consider themselves), when they decline the open opportunity to unionize. That sounds like happy workers to me!
November 30th, 2006 at 1:59 pmActually I'm a proud member of the western seaboard (West Side!!).
So.. If I'm not christian that my life has no meaning? If in my capacity as a non-Christian I feed the hungry, find a cure for cancer, help heal the sick, or somehow help my fellow man...if I'm not christian it would still mean that my life is without purpose.
I make my life's own meaning, I don't need a religion to make it so.
I'd also like to note that "sawing off" a piece of the Union - you know, that precious thing that Abraham Lincoln and thousands of patriotic northern Americans fought to preserve - and its advocacy is very unpatriotic.
Why do you hate the Union? Why do you hate America? Why do you hate fellow Americans?
heh heh...
November 30th, 2006 at 2:32 pmThis Schweizer dunce has also written deceiving hit-pieces on Al Gore about Al's environmental record. Schweizer got many of those pertinent facts wrong too.
Vinne, are you really this stupid in person or do you just play an idiot on the internets?
November 30th, 2006 at 4:29 pmI strongly support the right of workers to join unions. Nevertheless, I do not believe that an employer has the responsibility to organize the union him or herself. That choice is up to the workers, not the management. If Pelosi's workers decide to attempt a unionization drive, as is their right, then Pelosi's response (i.e., acceptance vs. engaging in union busting tactics) will indicate whether or not she is being hypocritical on this issue.
This entire story is red herring, in any event. Pelosi exerts far more influence as a legislator than as a small employer in the Napa Valley. If she supports pro-labor legislation in her capacity as Speaker, then she may rightly be considered a friend of labor. If she promotes laws that sell workers down the river, then it doesn't matter how well she treats the people at her winery or if they belong to a union.
I have some hope that Pelosi will support laws favorable to workers; I have no hope whatsoever that the Repubs will do so.
November 30th, 2006 at 4:38 pm[...] Miserably, but I wouldn’t expect any differently of them. The accusation is: [...]
November 30th, 2006 at 9:55 pmDoes she pay for the things a union provides too? Just curious...
December 4th, 2006 at 2:57 pm[...] Here's a left-leaning critique of the comments by Peter Schweizer (author of Do As I Say, Not As I Do). Schweizer exposes the non-union status of business holdings of Pelosi eventhough she is a major union supporter and has received major donations from unions. Notice that even in the defense of her, the facts that her business holdings are non-union is not denied. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/29/pelosi-unions/ [...]
January 4th, 2007 at 12:22 pm