ThinkFast: November 30, 2006
ThinkFast: November 30, 2006
The Iraq Study Group “reached a consensus on Wednesday on a final report that will call for a gradual pullback of the 15 American combat brigades now in Iraq but stop short of setting a firm timetable for their withdrawal.” The “implicit message” of the report is that the pullback process “should begin sometime next year.”
“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientist,” Justice Antonin Scalia said yesterday after a lawyer corrected a misstatement. “That’s why I don’t want to have to deal with global warming, to tell you the truth.”
Senior State Department analyst Kendall Myers called Tony Blair’s relationship with President Bush “totally one-sided.” Myers said “we typically ignore them and take no notice – it’s a sad business,” and he admitted feeling “a little ashamed” of the way Bush has treated Blair.
Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) has decided to divest “hundreds of thousands of dollars” in his own mutual funds from “companies that do business with Sudan.” “With so many lives at stake, we should do all we can to stop this genocide, both as individuals and as a community,” Brownback said.
Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), whose tenure as chairman of Senate intelligence since 2002 led his panel to be nicknamed the Senate Cover-Up Committee, “may be looking for an exit” from the committee.
7 million: The number of people — one in every 32 American adults — that were behind bars, on probation or on parole by the end of last year, a new record.
A federal judge ruled yesterday that “FEMA has to restore housing assistance and pay back rent to thousands of Hurricane Katrina evacuees who had been deemed ineligible for long-term housing assistance.” FEMA also must “improve an appeals process that evacuees had long said was confusing, contradictory and amounted to an arbitrary denial of help.”
Former insurance mogul Maurice Greenberg, who is making a long-shot bid to buy the New York Times, is a “friend of Henry Kissinger, once mentioned as a Reagan appointee to help run the CIA,” and a major donor to conservative causes.
A Halliburton subsidiary agreed to pay the federal government $8 million to resolve accusations of overbilling related to the firm’s work for the Army in the Balkans, the Justice Department said yesterday. The company said in a written statement that it “was ‘pleased’ with the resolution.”
And finally: Global warming gets even hotter. During an appearance last night on the Tonight Show, Al Gore discussed the special features that the DVD of his global warming documentary An Inconvenient Truth will contain. “Gore joked that it included an uncensored version called ‘Global Warming Gone Wild,’ including ‘hot glacier on glacier action.’”
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good morning all…
i watched the first 15 minutes of the today show this morning…
big story was the press CONference in jordon with maliki…
the determined boy king pronounces “we” are staying in iraq blah blah blah…
very, very distressing… and sad… but then it occurred to me:
in the bushco bizarro world it’s always opposite day,
so maybe the troops will be out within a week! eh? eh? ya think?
oh well… i’m gone for the day… will miss the conversations… play nice…
November 30th, 2006 at 9:15 am.
“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientist,†Justice Antonin Scalia said yesterday after a lawyer corrected a misstatement. “That’s why I don’t want to have to deal with global warming, to tell you the truth.â€
Oh man that is incredible! I’m astonished at this statement of ignorance.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:17 am“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientist,†Justice Antonin Scalia
I don’t think he is much of a Consitutional scholar either. What a jackass to be on a bench. So he admits he doesn’t haven’t a desire to judge on abortion cases either since he might hear the scientific words of gestation or ectopic pregnancy. Will he say “whatever” to those?
November 30th, 2006 at 9:18 am7 million: The number of people — one in every 32 American adults — that were behind bars, on probation or on parole by the end of last year, a new record.
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Mostly because of the failed, counterproductive “war on drugs” which is really a war on the people that use certain drugs and also happen to be poor.
There is no war on terror because, if there were, we would legalize drugs to eliminate a major source of terrorist funding: the black market.
Most of the problems attributed to drug use are more accurately attributed to the illegality of the drug.
End the drug war. Legalize, Educate, Tax, and Regulate.
Take control of the drug market away from criminals and put it in the hands of licensed, inspected, accountable adults.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:18 amA Halliburton subsidiary agreed to pay the federal government $8 million to resolve accusations of overbilling related to the firm’s work for the Army in the Balkans, the Justice Department said yesterday. The company said in a written statement that it “was ‘pleased’ with the resolution.â€
After walking away with probably $50 million in overbilling I am sure they were pleased.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:24 amWe can all breathe a sigh of relief. The ISG has reached a consensus… To do close to nothing about Iraq. Even that was too much for the Boy King. Pathetic!
November 30th, 2006 at 9:29 amComment by dlet — November 30, 2006 @ 9:18 am
For whatever it’s worth, there were a few cases I read while studying Constitutional Law which were written by Scalia where I actually agreed with his reasoning! Note: they weren’t any of the cases dealing with sex, procreation or religion, but in some instances, in my opinion, Scalia does get it right.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:33 am“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientist,†Justice Antonin Scalia said yesterday after a lawyer corrected a misstatement. “That’s why I don’t want to have to deal with global warming, to tell you the truth.â€
Then kindly remove yourself from this case Justice Scalia.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:34 amThe ISG is nothing more than an “interventional fraud” – brought on by Poppy trying to dig his moronic son out of crap once again! He got his cadre of old codgers and cronnies to pretend that they’re really doing something significant. Truth is they’re over the hill for any real thought processes that mean something; all they are is a pseudo task force to be used as a “smoke screen” in a last-ditch attempt to save Jr. from himself with Iraq. The damage to this fool’s legacy is already done; nothing, and I mean nothing, the ISG or Poppy can do no will change that: THE absolute, unequivocal WORST President ever in the history of this country. That’s Jr.’s legacy.
The people need to ignore the ISG and not even give them one moment’s respect. They suddenly “popped up” on the Iraq radar and are a total group of yes men and frauds.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:38 amComment by dlet — November 30, 2006 @ 9:24 am
I think you’re a bit low on that estimate. Watch “Iraq for Sale.” Actually, I find it hard to believe they could prove “overbilling” since these companies were awarded cost-plus-profits contracts on a no-bid basis. In other words, the more something cost, the greater the profit, with virtually no accounting nor oversight. (Remember, the Republican Congress voted to shut down the office charged with the responsibility of auditing these contractors)
November 30th, 2006 at 9:39 amISG=More Nonsense….Senseless killing of our troops ad infinitum. The people need to rise up and NOT allow them to procrastinate and delay the inevitable. The ISG is “aiding and abetting” this administration’s cavalier corruption – each day more of our people and the Iraqi citizens die – remember that!
ISG=INSIGNIFICANT SENIOR GROUP (of fools and morons)
November 30th, 2006 at 9:40 amok, I see another of my posts didn’t make it again. I’m outta here.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:40 amOh, sure! They CALLS it “phased withdrawal” but it can really be summed up in one word!
CUT AND RUN!!!
When will yew DEMMYCRATS realize that Preznit Bush Jr. ain’t gonna change his mind, no matter what yew or Michael Moore or Howard Dean or John Kerry or Colin Powell or James Baker or his own FATHER or Laura or BARNEY the DOG says? As long as we gots fine young Americans they can fool into goin’ over there, we’ll STAY THE COURSE!
Dammit.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:40 amA gradual pullout is probably the worst idea I’ve heard. You would leave the troops remaining exponentially more vulnerable to attacks. More soldiers would die as a result.
If you’re going to withdraw, you do so as fast as possible.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:42 amThe Iraq Study Group “reached a consensus on Wednesday on a final report that will call for a gradual pullback of the 15 American combat brigades now in Iraq but stop short of setting a firm timetable for their withdrawal.†The “implicit message†of the report is that the pullback process “should begin sometime next year.â€
Whatever. Shouldn’t they have “studied” this shit before they went into Iraq?
November 30th, 2006 at 9:43 amSenior State Department analyst Kendall Myers called Tony Blair’s relationship with President Bush “totally one-sided.†Myers said “we typically ignore them and take no notice – it’s a sad business,†and he admitted feeling “a little ashamed†of the way Bush has treated Blair.
Do you understand now, Tony Blair? GWB only let you come around because your dad owns a dealership.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:45 amSen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) has decided to divest “hundreds of thousands of dollars†in his own mutual funds from “companies that do business with Sudan.†“With so many lives at stake, we should do all we can to stop this genocide, both as individuals and as a community,†Brownback said.
Yeah, now that his dream job is on the horizon…..dream on, Sam.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:47 amBush is planning a $500 million library and think tank in Dallas. (It’s curious to say Bush and think tank in the same sentence. ) He is asking for anonymous donors in $1 million to $20 million. (He has lots of Saudi princes as friends.) I think he needs to pay people to write favorably about him for posterity – which will surely be a challenge.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:48 amRecall how the reichwingers got their shorts in a knot when Clinton’s library was built and went over cost to somewhere near $200 million. They have been strangely quiet about this one, as it starts out with the half-billion price tag.
Good riddance, Sen. Roberts. Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:49 amSen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), whose tenure as chairman of Senate intelligence since 2002 led his panel to be nicknamed the Senate Cover-Up Committee, “may be looking for an exit†from the committee.
Now that he’s done his absolute worst (or best, depending on how you look at it), it’s time to get the heck outta Dodge.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:50 amBush “One of [Maliki's] frustrations with me is that he believes that we’ve been slow about giving him the tools necessary to protect the Iraqi people. [snip] He doesn’t have the capacity to respond. So we want to accelerate that capacity.”
TRANSLATION: Maliki said US outta Iraq, we are going to crush the Sunnis, and install a Shiite fundamentalist republic in Iraq.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:52 am“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientist,†Justice Antonin Scalia said yesterday
Well no sh*t sherlock! Maybe you ought to listen to SCIENTISTS then when making these decisions instead of pretending you know the first thing about climate change.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:53 amGood for Sam Brownback. Now if he just wasn’t a loon on every other issue.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:53 amSen. Pat Roberts (R-KS), whose tenure as chairman of Senate intelligence since 2002 led his panel to be nicknamed the Senate Cover-Up Committee, “may be looking for an exit†from the committee.
Too bad. He could have learned how to properly run a Committee is he stayed. Some people just don’t want to learn I guess. Reminds me of people that don’t do their work and when it all comes crashing down around them they just look for another job. He’ll probably get some medal for his treasonous way.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:56 amDuring an appearance last night on the Tonight Show, Al Gore discussed the special features that the DVD of his global warming documentary An Inconvenient Truth will contain. “Gore joked that it included an uncensored version called ‘Global Warming Gone Wild,’ including ‘hot glacier on glacier action.’â€
Alright! I just bought the DVD yesterday. Since we’re buried in even more snow this morning in the polar northwest, I need a little hot glacier on glacier action to warm me up. Heh.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:57 am“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientist,†Justice Antonin Scalia said yesterday after a lawyer corrected a misstatement. “That’s why I don’t want to have to deal with global warming, to tell you the truth.â€
Then if you don’t know what you are talking about, Toni, don’t get involved.
Don’t you have a duck-hunting trip to go to with your buddy the Veep? With some luck, you’ll wind up shooting each other. A perfect case of “killing two birds with one stone”…
November 30th, 2006 at 10:02 am“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientistâ€
Justice Scalia, these nice people here — the attorneys — are here to explain everything to you. All you have to do is listen…maybe take a few notes. Ok, here’s your warm milk….
November 30th, 2006 at 10:08 amI am surprised on one level that Justice Toni don’t care about climate change, after all, his favorite duck hunting marshes will be under water………
November 30th, 2006 at 10:13 amAnother good line from the Washington Post article:
“Justice Clarence Thomas, as usual, asked no questions…..”
If justice Scalia doesn’t want to get educated and try to deal with worldly situations he should then step aside. There is no place on the court for the uninterested.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:20 amBnF, I finally got around to watching “Iraq for Sale” lastnight. Haliburton wipes their a$$ with $8 million. I am sure they are pleased.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:21 amScalia doesn’t want to make a difficult decision, Pat Roberts doesn’t want to continue on the senate intelligence committee, 8 million to that Halliburton subsidiary is pocket change to them, we jail a lot of people for being so friggin developed.
Pat Roberts is useless and needs to retire. Scalia knows deep down he is making a very important decision, and would rather avoid the conflicts he faces. Do your jobs men!
Glacier on Glacier action sounds hot.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:22 amI know Scalia is brusk and rude in court both to his fellow justices and to the attorneys arguing, but has he ever made similar statements before. Statements about things like DNZ, Forensics, the constitution etc…
November 30th, 2006 at 10:30 amimplicit message†of the report is that the pullback process “should begin sometime next year
Explicit message: Pull out before even more new little civil wars are created. Stop f*cking so much.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:31 amSince one of the main questions before the Court yesterday was whether the original plaintiffs have standing to challenge the agency’s regulations and whether the issue is justiciable at all, Justice Scalia’s comments were quite reasonable. He is clearly indicating that he believes the courts are the not the appropriate forum to decide issues of environmental policy. Courts can and have in the past refused to hear a case on the grounds that it is a political question unsuitable for judicial review.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:31 amCourts can and have in the past refused to hear a case on the grounds that it is a political question unsuitable for judicial review.
Comment by Exley
that was then, and this is now, Exley. Obviously there was a reason the SCOTUS decided to hear the case. They can’t start bitching now.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:35 am“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientist,†Justice Antonin Scalia said yesterday after a lawyer corrected a misstatement. “That’s why I don’t want to have to deal with global warming, to tell you the truth.â€
Too bad the lawyers, politicians and ignorant pundits in the USA are the ones doing the decissions about Global Warming, and to scientifics are treated as silly children, because they don’t put the money first.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:37 amExley,
November 30th, 2006 at 10:43 amThe question before the court is if the EPA has the right to regulate these substances as pollutants. Where the heck are they supposed to go to get a legal decision on the legal jurisdiction of the EPA? Bush? Mars? Michael Crighton?
“FEMA has to restore housing assistance and pay back rent to thousands of Hurricane Katrina evacuees who had been deemed ineligible for long-term housing assistance.â€
Nothing like never ending handouts. I’m just waiting for when we’re still hearing about Katrina ‘help’, and the plight of New Orleans citizens in 2015.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:45 amNothing like never ending handouts. I’m just waiting for when we’re still hearing about Katrina ‘help’, and the plight of New Orleans citizens in 2015.
Comment by squegeeboo
If they had their shit together from the beginning — like they should have, since they’re the frickin’ “experts” — this wouldn’t still be going on.
Your government (and tax dollars) inefficiently at work.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:49 am*banging head on desk*
Nothing like never ending handouts. I’m just waiting for when we’re still hearing about Katrina ‘help’, and the plight of New Orleans citizens in 2015.
Comment by squegeeboo
As with most that Bush screws up. He does too little too late. So yes the problem will sit there and fester and grow until someone else takes care of it. But its the people that want a roof over their heads fault, right?
November 30th, 2006 at 10:50 am#36 Dlet, I didn’t hear the oral arguments nor read the briefs, but based on news accounts, it seems as if the bulk of the argument focused on the issue of standing; meaning do the plaintiffs have the right to sue or, in other words, are they the appropriate party to challenge the regs. One of the requirements for a party to have standing is to show that that they will likely suffer a real and distinct injury. From what I read, several of the justices were questioning whether the plaintiffs could make that showing….And thus whether the court could or should decide the merits of their case.
I am just saying that Scalia seems to be making a legal quip (i.e., he didn’t that the parties met the requirements for standing) rather than a blanket statement that he is not interested in the problem of global warming.
Anyway, that is just my two cents (or, given the length of this posting, my dime)…I just don’t think Scalia was dismissing the problem of global warming.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:55 am*banging head on desk*
Comment by Zooey
Don’t hurt the desk, Zooey.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:57 amI just don’t think Scalia was dismissing the problem of global warming.
Comment by Exley
Scalia was being dismissive, and unless he’s dismissing a case from the court, that is not his job.
November 30th, 2006 at 10:58 amZoo
If they had their shit together from the beginning — like they should have, since they’re the frickin’ “experts†— this wouldn’t still be going on.
Wow, take out the experts part, and your perfectly describing all the people who still claim to need help.
Your government (and tax dollars) inefficiently at work.
More like Culture of Entitlement at work.
dlet
So yes the problem will sit there and fester and grow until someone else takes care of it.
Like the state? Or the people themselves, you know, the ones who should have taken care of it?
But its the people that want a roof over their heads fault, right?
November 30th, 2006 at 10:58 amNope, it’s a subset of them, the ones who want a roof over their heads but their sole contribution towards that goal is to hold out their hats for gov’t and charity to fill.
Yes there are people wanting a free handout, and don’t want to do what they can do. The trouble is discerning who should get a handout and who shouldn’t. No way to do that without lawsuits and stuff. Any ideas Luigi, I mean Squeegie?
November 30th, 2006 at 11:02 amNothing like never ending handouts. I’m just waiting for when we’re still hearing about Katrina ‘help’, and the plight of New Orleans citizens in 2015.
Comment by squegeeboo
What is cheaper, squegeeboo? Repare and maintain some levees prior to a hurricane or a city after a flooding? Do you think that Bush is a great planner?
November 30th, 2006 at 11:05 am7 million: The number of people — one in every 32 American adults — that were behind bars, on probation or on parole by the end of last year, a new record.
I’ve been at TP every single day….
That’s my story and I’m stickin’ to it!
November 30th, 2006 at 11:06 am;)
Nope, it’s a subset of them, the ones who want a roof over their heads but their sole contribution towards that goal is to hold out their hats for gov’t and charity to fill.
Comment by squegeeboo
Besides mocking a grieving mother, now you want mock poor people for their laziness, right? What a great guy you must be. Why do you hate poor people?
November 30th, 2006 at 11:07 am#42…Actually, Zooey, deciding the issue of standing is part of his job.
Besides, reading The Post story, it seems pretty clear he was making a light-hearted quip:
“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientist,” Scalia said to laughter.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:07 amtrueblue,
What are you trying to say? :)
November 30th, 2006 at 11:07 am“Troposphere, whatever. I told you before I’m not a scientistâ€
I’m not a scientist either, but I learned what the troposphere was in grade school.
Maybe Justice Scalia should consult a 12 year old’s science book for more insight on the thermal layers of the atmosphere.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:11 amForTruth
Any ideas Luigi, I mean Squeegie?
Step 1. After a year, nearly anyone still asking is looking for a free hand out, deny them all.
Step 2. For the small amount who actually do need the help, and aren’t just freeloading off the system, that’s what welfare is around for, go apply there.
Evil Spaniard
Repare and maintain some levees prior to a hurricane or a city after a flooding?
That’s more of a question for the politicians in Louisiana, who have a track record of diverting levee funds for political gain.
Juan
November 30th, 2006 at 11:12 amyou want mock poor people for their laziness, right?
Where did I mock them? Not that I wouldn’t, but I don’t think I did this time around.
For Truth,
um…. err…..
gotta go. My parol…. um,… friend’s callin’!
;)
November 30th, 2006 at 11:16 amWhere did I mock them? Not that I wouldn’t, but I don’t think I did this time around.
Comment by squegeeboo
All your posts are intended to bash poor people for not getting a job and getting paychecks. Thats the same rightist propaganda used in every country where there are poor people…that they cost a lot to the government and that they should get jobs. Not all people have the same opportunities in life and if something took you a lot of hard work and then bitch about it because others cant or wont do the same thing as you, then you are not grateful for what you have and that effort you made was meaningless.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:21 amRepare and maintain some levees prior to a hurricane or a city after a flooding?
That’s more of a question for the politicians in Louisiana, who have a track record of diverting levee funds for political gain. Squegeeboo
The levees were “maintained” by a federal military engineering corps. And may I remember to you that FEMA is a Federal Agency, nowadays right under the National Security Agency? As I remember, your country is a federation of states and “National” stands for “Federal” in equal terms… And before you say that “hey, the states must ask for federal help prior to receive it”, may I remember you the number of signing statements your President has signed, overruning a couple of laws?
November 30th, 2006 at 11:21 amIf you are not christians,then what exactly are you?You have to stand for something more in life.
Comment by octopussy
We are people. We do not like bomb kids with cluster bombs as some christians do.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:22 amActually, Zooey, deciding the issue of standing is part of his job.
Comment by Exley
You know damn well that I was saying it wasn’t Scalia’s job to be DISMISSIVE.
I know it’s difficult, but stop being such an asshole.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:26 amDon’t hurt the desk, Zooey.
Comment by dlet
Oops. Apparently you have discerned that I am hard-headed….
November 30th, 2006 at 11:27 amSqueegy,
We’ve had the talk before about your tendency toward a hard heart. Do we have to have it again?
November 30th, 2006 at 11:30 am#32 I should have put DNA not DNZ.
#38 yet you have no trouble saying that it is fine to spend a trillion dollars to fix Iraq? Are we going to be hearing about the plight of the Iraqi’s in 2015? Sadly the answer is going to be yes. The right is very dismissive of US citizens and seemingly resentful and angry that they receive monetary help from the government, yet they take the opposite position in Iraq, go figure.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:35 amApparently you have discerned that I am hard-headed….
Well, I already knew you are thick-headed…
HEY-OH!!!!!!!!!
November 30th, 2006 at 11:35 amAll your posts are intended to bash poor people for not getting a job and getting paychecks.
And? If your poor because you don’t have a job, maybe getting one would alleviate your current situation. If your poor because you have a bad job, try getting a better one, or a second one, once again, that will help.
you are not grateful for what you have and that effort you made was meaningless.
I, or my parents, earned what I have, what they gave me I am grateful for, what I earned, I am not grateful for, I have worked hard for it and earned it, it is mine. I do not ask for handouts, even from my family, and except in true hardship cases where the people asking have tried everything else, it bothers me to see people using assistance programs.
Thats the same rightist propaganda used in every country where there are poor people…that they cost a lot to the government and that they should get jobs.
I didn’t realize it was propaganda to tell people to get jobs, I’d consider it more along the lines of advice, and good advice at that.
The levees were “maintained†by a federal military engineering corps.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:37 amYes, and the costs for maintaining them went from the Fed’s to the state gov’t and from there, to where the state gov’t wanted to send them, and there are multiple cases of them ignoring the recommendations of the Engineering Corps, and instead pushing the funds to areas that didn’t currently need it, for political influence.
Squeeg,
November 30th, 2006 at 11:39 amFoolowing your line of logic then the states should be able to decide oif their National Guard units should go to Iraq or not. Can they? The Decider took this country to war with two nations but his hands were tied to save one American city because the state should be able to take care of itself. Pretty thin argument. The Decider decided that N.O. and its people weren’t worth his pretty little mind or time or money or help or reconstruction or housing or etc.
Zoo
We’ve had the talk before about your tendency toward a hard heart. Do we have to have it again?
Judging from my post that will show up between your comment, and my response to it, I would assume so.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:40 amWell, I already knew you are thick-headed…
HEY-OH!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Exley
Takes one to know one, chunk head.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:41 amJudging from my post that will show up between your comment, and my response to it, I would assume so.
Comment by squegeeboo
Oy. I wish I could find it and copy it…
November 30th, 2006 at 11:43 amTakes one to know one, chunk head.
Comment by Zooey — November 30, 2006 @ 11:41 am
Oh yeah! Well, I’m rubber and you’re glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!
Take THAT!
(Could this thread degenerate any further?????)
November 30th, 2006 at 11:44 amSo Squeeg if the place where you lived suddenly was wiped off the map and you had to move in a trailer to a city 100 miles away with thousands of others how easily do you think it would be to hop right into a new job and start providing for yourself when there are only limited open jobs available so your unique talents or other stuff you might say would be lost in the crowd.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:45 amdlet
Foolowing your line of logic then the states should be able to decide oif their National Guard units should go to Iraq or not. Can they?
I must confess a lack of knowledge( I know, shocking isn’t it) when it comes to the National Guard in regards to Pres. vs. Governor, with the only real example that I have being that school re-integration where the president over-ruled the Governor and took control of the Guard, so I don’t know if the state’s have the right to decide where/when to send their troops.
how easily do you think it would be to hop right into a new job and start providing for yourself when there are only limited open jobs available
Well with the influx of population there would be an increase in demand for service and probably labor positions, so I’d start with a low-wage job at a grocery-store, or restaurant, or as a laborer, and continue looking for something better.
Zoo
November 30th, 2006 at 11:50 amOy. I wish I could find it and copy it…
Well it apparently didn’t work last time, so maybe you should try a new approach anyways?
#64 squegeeboo
And? If your poor because you don’t have a job, maybe getting one would alleviate your current situation. If your poor because you have a bad job, try getting a better one, or a second one, once again, that will help.
It’s all so simple. It’s amazing that everyone isn’t happy, healthy, and wealthy when it’s all so incredibly simple. Just get a good job. There’s just one little minor detail in that plan that should probably be addressed, though. What if there are no jobs available in the area where said poor person lives, or at least none available that pay a wage that would be sufficient to pay for housing, food, and transportation? And, before you say “move to a place where there are jobs like that,” try to actually understand the situation in real terms: where to go, how to get there, how to find place to live while seeking work there, etc.
Could you just admit that you have no idea what the working poor or the homeless are having to do to stay alive and why they’re having to do it? Or, could you just admit that you really don’t give a shit?
November 30th, 2006 at 11:51 amso I’d start with a low-wage job at a grocery-store, or restaurant, or as a laborer, and continue looking for something better.
Yes that will pay for a roof over their head in no time.
I don’t know if the state’s have the right to decide where/when to send their troops.
I wasn’t asking about your knowledge of the laws that govern the National Guard. I said by the logic that you stated that the States should fend for themselves when disaster strikes they should be in control of everything within their state. I don’t agree with that logic in anyway. The Feds respond to numerous disasters every year. Forest fires, hurricanes in Florida, eartquakes, etc. So responding to the devistation to Katrina was no sudden surprise. The surprise is the half-assed job they did.
November 30th, 2006 at 11:59 amchimpeach
Could you just admit that you have no idea what the working poor or the homeless are having to do to stay alive and why they’re having to do it?
I did 2-3 part time jobs(40-60 hours depending on the week) to pay for college(bettering myself so I could get a better job, I know, it’s a crazy notion), nothing like working 40+ hours and a full course load(Basically another job). I know what the working poor have to do, I was one.
And, before you say “move to a place where there are jobs like that,†try to actually understand the situation in real terms: where to go, how to get there, how to find place to live while seeking work there, etc.
It’s called research, that’s how you find out all of that. And your local library can help you in that regard, seeing how as most of them have internet access now. So my answer is still going to be ‘move’.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:02 pmOr, could you just admit that you really don’t give a shit?
Fair enough, if your to lazy to try, then I’m to lazy to care about you.
The levees were “maintained†by a federal military engineering corps.
Yes, and the costs for maintaining them went from the Fed’s to the state gov’t and from there, to where the state gov’t wanted to send them, and there are multiple cases of them ignoring the recommendations of the Engineering Corps, and instead pushing the funds to areas that didn’t currently need it, for political influence.
Comment by squegeeboo — November 30, 2006 @ 11:37 am
So, let’s study what you have written: one of the poorest cities of the USA (if no the poorest) had to pay to mantain the levees, and when they did not pay all the reparations recommended by a federal engineering corps, the federal government did nothing? Not even the FEMA planned a extraordinary push in case of a ultra strong hurricane menacing the well known poor maintained levees? And the President, knowing that the sending of the National Guard of Lousiana to Iraq would put in extra danger the state of Lousiana, due to the lack of preparedness and hands at work.
And, where were diverted the funds? To areas that vote to Democrats? I dare to say, poor neighbourhoods and welfare? So the money of the levees was diverted to poors? Or, if the money was diverted to accomodated people, to change their votes, doesn’t it makes the case to help the poors now?
Frankly, your reasonings are poor excuses for poor federal REPUBLICAN management.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:04 pmYes that will pay for a roof over their head in no time.
An apartment has a roof. And a low-paying job or two will pay for an apartment.
The surprise is the half-assed job they did.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:09 pmWhy is that surprising? They’re the gov’t, being half-assed is the only thing they don’t do half-assed. If your relying on the Gov’t, federal or otherwise for any kind of disaster help, odds are your screwed at least in the short term, have your own plan in place.
Well, I’m rubber and you’re glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you!
Take THAT!
(Could this thread degenerate any further?????)
Comment by Exley
Nope. You have reached bottom. Enjoy it.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:13 pmNope. You have reached bottom.
Comment by Zooey — November 30, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
I thought so.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:17 pmAn apartment has a roof. And a low-paying job or two will pay for an apartment.
Comment by squegeeboo
Remember how we talked about the sudden influx of so many people into an area where there would be limited jobs available? But you believe that jobs would be created magically and immediately because there would be more people there requesting services…I forgot.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:21 pmI thought so.
Comment by Exley
Enjoy it.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:23 pmZoo
Oy. I wish I could find it and copy it…
Well it apparently didn’t work last time, so maybe you should try a new approach anyways?
Comment by squegeeboo
How about a hard smack on the head?
November 30th, 2006 at 12:24 pm#79 Yep, new job places are like fungus in autumn. The only existence of a rain of unemployed workers and voila!, every employer in the neighbourhood realizes that they need some extra hands to manage the same bussiness.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:25 pmyou believe that jobs would be created magically and immediately because there would be more people there requesting services…I forgot.
When did supply and demand become magic? As for the immediately part, thats why the gov’t gave everyone those debit cards, surprisingly enough, not for strippers and TV’s, I don’t know about you, but for most people 2k can last long enough to find a job, and thats assuming they don’t have any of their own savings to lean on for a while, after all, it is recommended to have at least 3, preferable 6, months worth of living expenses at all times in case something were to happen.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:27 pmHow about a hard smack on the head?
Still got the scars from my last one(seriously) so perhaps something else, cause that didn’t work either.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:31 pmStill got the scars from my last one(seriously) so perhaps something else, cause that didn’t work either.
Comment by squegeeboo
You are a hard case, Squeegy. Have you been tested? Maybe you’re missing your empathy gene.
Chimpeach & dlet made excellent arguments, and you just swept them away.
Just remember, Squeegy, if you ever fall on hard times, it’s people like me and the commenters on TP who will help you out — not people like you.
Just sayin’
November 30th, 2006 at 12:39 pmit is recommended to have at least 3, preferable 6, months worth of living expenses at all times in case something were to happen.
Comment by squegeeboo
I would prefer 5 years. That won’t make it happen. I know it is very difficult for you to empathize with others but the la-la land that you seem to believe everyone lives in would be very nice. Too bad reality gets in the way of things. Not everyone has the ability or opportunity to live their lives according to your laundry list of ways to get yourself into a better position. You give one simplistic answer to a difficult thing called life. If you can’t understand how someone can’t live your life and put themselves through school while working a 40 hour a week job probably walking barefoot uphill both ways too, then I’ll let you in on something. They are not you.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:42 pmrecommended to have at least 3, preferable 6, months worth of living expenses at all times in case something were to happen.
Comment by squegeeboo
Yeah, the working poor can spare part of their paychecks for this kind of savings. Paying all the rent, buying the food, paying for transportation to work can be set aside for that.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:43 pm#87 And Squeegeeboo assumes also that everyone there is a 20-something youngster with no other need than thrive himself. What about the single moms of 40+ years, the veterans, the ones who have lost its own bussiness, the discapacitated ones, the ones whose insurance hasn’t paid yet or will never pay, the ones whose savings went under water or were robbed? And the time passed between the dissaster and until the Red Cross and the GOP handed out the credit cards with that infamous $ 2k? What they were eating? Mud? Frogs?
November 30th, 2006 at 12:51 pmAtmoshphere, schmatmosphere, what the hell do I care, I don’t breathe, so it doesn’t affect me…
November 30th, 2006 at 12:52 pmSen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) has decided to divest “hundreds of thousands of dollars†in his own mutual funds from “companies that do business with Sudan.†“With so many lives at stake, we should do all we can to stop this genocide, both as individuals and as a community,†Brownback said.
I dont know why more people aren’t talking about this. This is finally a step in the right direction for the problems facing Sudan.
Dont get me wrong, I think Brownback is a nut job, but I have to applaud him for stepping up and hopefully his actions will force other members of our Government to address the situation in Darfur.
November 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pmdlet
I would prefer 5 years. That won’t make it happen.
No but starting to save towards your goal would eventually make it happen, as opposed to a plan of ‘prefering’.
Too bad reality gets in the way of things. Not everyone has the ability or opportunity to live their lives according to your laundry list of ways
Everyone, barring the physically or mentally handicapped, can work, and out of them, the majority of the ability to learn and better themselves, but choose not to, and then create excuses for their failings, just like I’ll create excuses for getting fired from spending to much time on TP, even though it’s completely my fault.
probably walking barefoot uphill both ways too
And I had to get up an hour before I went to bed, but tell kids today that, and they won’t believe you.
Evil Spaniard
single moms
If they can’t afford a child, maybe they shouldn’t have had one. Why should tax dollars be responsible for their, and the fathers, mistake?
the veterans
Are given a grant to go to college.
ones who have lost its own bussiness,
So apply for a job at someone elses business.
discapacitated ones
Assuming you meant incapacitated? Go get gov’t assistance or charity.
ones whose insurance hasn’t paid yet or will never pay
That sucks. Count your losses and start rebuilding.
ones whose savings went under water
Wait for the water to go down, and go get your savings.
robbed
that sucks, count your losses and move on, just like everyone else who’s been robbed.
And the time passed
November 30th, 2006 at 1:12 pmExcept for the people with their savings under water, use your savings.
Zoo
You are a hard case, Squeegy. Have you been tested? Maybe you’re missing your empathy gene.
I wouldn’t say I’m missing it, that is until it comes in a bell bottom flare.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:18 pmI hope you live a charmed life, Squeegy.
Shit happens…
November 30th, 2006 at 1:19 pmZoo
I hope you live a charmed life, Squeegy.
Shit happens…
Yes it does, I’ve already had to wipe out all my savings a few months back, and now that they’re rebuilt, it’s almost time to wipe them out again once the hospital finishes billing me.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:21 pmBut thankfully, I had savings at the time, and I kept on saving, so that I have them again, for now.
Short version of Kendall Myers’ assessment of the “special” relationship between George Bush and Tony “Yo!” Blair: PM Blair is Pres Bush’s poodle.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:24 pmSo, exley – what are the requirements to show standing when before the Supreme Court of the United States?
What makes an issue a “Political question” and not a justiciable one?
How is standing affected when one sues an Administrative Agency? i.e. what additional requirements are there which must be shown to establish standing in such a case?
If you can answer those, you are doing far better than our self-proclaimed lawyer and owner of a law firm, Mighty Afraudite.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:41 pmthe veterans
Are given a grant to go to college.
In most cases, vets aer not given grants for school. They invest in the GI Bill and upon honorable discharge they are able to get a return that can be used for school.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:42 pmBut thankfully, I had savings at the time, and I kept on saving, so that I have them again, for now.
Comment by squegeeboo
Let me know if you ever need help, Squeegy. I’m an unemployed 40+ single mother whose health insurance expires today, but I have savings. I’m luckier than most, but I don’t blame others for not planning well.
Be well.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:49 pmWhy whenever Sqeeg talks about the poor I get a picture of Sponge Bob Squarepants skipping through Bikini Bottom going “la la la la la…la la…la la la …la la.”
November 30th, 2006 at 1:51 pmSqueegie is sponge bob, asexual reproduction.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:00 pmRobert
They invest in the GI Bill and upon honorable discharge they are able to get a return that can be used for school.
Ah, so they are, I googled it just now, apparently for 100 a month for the first year of service, they can get up to 400 a month for 3 years towards tuition or other college expenses.
Zoo
I’m an unemployed 40+ single mother whose health insurance expires today
Sorry to hear that, I was uninsured when I broke my ankle, and the bills for that minor injury sucked. Let me and Tundra know if you need anything, we both love road trips.
dlet
November 30th, 2006 at 2:02 pmI get a picture of Sponge Bob Squarepants
Maybe it’s because that’s one of my favorite TV shows?
ForTruth
Squeegie is sponge bob, asexual reproduction.
I can’t be spongebob, one of his issues is that he cares to much.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:05 pmMaybe it’s because that’s one of my favorite TV shows?
Comment by squegeeboo
Let me guess. Your favorite is Plankton.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:10 pmLet me guess. Your favorite is Plankton.
He’s a failure, why would you pick him to be my favorite? I would have expected you to go with Crabs, with his tightwad, money first ways.
But no, while I do enjoy the majority of the cast, including Plankton, I’m split between Patrick and Squidwert.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:12 pmComment by squegeeboo — November 30, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
Hey, appoint Squegeeboo to the UN’s chair instead of Bolton. He will solve all the world’s problems in a month singlehandedly…
November 30th, 2006 at 2:17 pmEvil Spaniard
He will solve all the world’s problems in a month singlehandedly…
Nah, to many bleeding hearts would be unwilling to do what it takes, also, I don’t particularly care about the world’s problems except for their effect on the US. Plus it would take me to long to grow such a bushy mustache.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:21 pmdiscapacitated ones
Assuming you meant incapacitated?
I’m typing in a foreing language for me. What’s your excuse?
November 30th, 2006 at 2:21 pmHey, appoint Squegeeboo to the UN’s chair instead of Bolton. He will solve all the world’s problems in a month singlehandedly…
Comment by Evil Spaniard
Squeeg will just tell all the poor nations to go to school and get a grocery job or two. All the while turn a blind eye to the unfair loan practices that keep them there.
I don’t particularly care about the world’s problems except for their effect on the US.
Comment by squegeeboo
You do realize that that is where differences and problems are resolved between other nations and the US right? Or do you mean that you care about problems that effect the US that should be solved by blowing things up?
November 30th, 2006 at 2:26 pmEvil Spaniard
I’m typing in a foreing language for me. What’s your excuse?
It wasn’t meant as an insult, but in that case the word was odd enough that I just wanted to make sure that it was what you meant.
As to my excuse? Don’t have one, just lazy when it comes to grammar when arguing on the internet. On the plus side, FireFox2 comes with a built in spell checker, so at least my spelling errors are mostly a thing of the past.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:28 pmdlet
November 30th, 2006 at 2:33 pmYou do realize that that is where differences and problems are resolved between other nations and the US right?
Right, but Evil Spaniard had said ALL of the worlds problems, that portion of my response was in regards to that portion of it.
FireFox2 comes with a built in spell checker, so at least my spelling errors are mostly a thing of the past.
Comment by squegeeboo
Is Clint Eastwood in that one also? Do you have to remember to speak Russian for the spell checker to work?
November 30th, 2006 at 2:33 pm#110 It wasn’t meant as an insult, but in that case the word was odd enough that I just wanted to make sure that it was what you meant.
Mine neither, Squeeg. In fact I was joking in this case, but the internet without smileys is a bit dry :P.
Simply, in Spanish and Catalonian, we use the prefix dis- with this word. You know, the hell of irregularities and exceptions learning other languages…
November 30th, 2006 at 2:34 pmEvil Spaniard
Crazy anarchist Spaniards and your differing prefix’s from English…
dlet
And what in the who know with Russian?
Although it turns out Clint Eastwood is in the spell checker, because he didn’t get underscored with Red(I hear they’re gonna change the color to Purple so bad spellers don’t feel as bad about misspellings)
November 30th, 2006 at 2:39 pmRegarding Scalia’s remark, this is what happens when you have a religious fanatic making decisions which affect the citizens of a secular system. He makes about as much sense as his beloved papacy did when they persecuted Galileo.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:42 pmFireFox was a movie in the late 80s? with Clint that had him stealing a Russian prototype fighter jet that linked the pilot’s brain to the plane. He had to speak to it in Russian and during the tense dogfight moments it created some nail biting moments only Hollywood could think of.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#114 Evil Spaniard
Crazy anarchist Spaniards and your differing prefix’s from English… Squegeeboo
In fact, we Spaniards had a coherent and civilized language far before the british stopped speaking in incoherent grunts and using a supersized bat to get a wife, and decided to let back the tree life and walk with only 2 feet. Just saying.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:46 pmWow, I just looked Firefox up in imdb, it sounds awesomely horrible, that is most definitely my next rental.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:48 pmIts right up there with Red Scorpion. Or down there.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#118 Rent “Red Dawn” and you will wet your squarepants, Squegeeboo.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:53 pmEvil Spaniard
Rent “Red Dawnâ€
WOLVERINES!!!
Now that’s a winner of a movie right there. Red Scorpion I had also forgotten about. Nothing like bad movies, for instance, the Evil Dead Trilogy.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:58 pmEvil Dead Trilogy.
Comment by squegeeboo
In no way can those be considered bad. They were made to be that way. Movies like Red Scorpion were made to be cool and macho but elicit more laughs that Boyahs.
Speaking of Red Dawn, imagine feeling good about watching some patriots killing the occupation forces. Hmmm. I wonder what analogy I could make there.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#121 Yep, Evil Dead’s are very “good” movies I love them, too. And are far more “balanced”.
P.S.: Don’t miss Red Heat (1988) in the “paranoid USA movie tour”.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:06 pmRed Heat, with Arnold and Belushi? It’s a classic of awesomely bad movies.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:12 pmRent “Red Dawnâ€
WOLVERINES!!!
Now that’s a winner of a movie right there.
Comment by squegeeboo
hate to be the bummer on the movie talk but thinking about Red Dawn on how it glorified the kids killing the occupying forces that invaded us, I wonder what the Iraqi movie will be called and if Americans will think it so great…..I think they are filming it right now….some new film production company called CNN.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:17 pmSorry about the double post of meaning but it took forever for the first to come up and I thought it was deleted somehow.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:18 pmIn no way can those be considered bad.
Dude, they suck, and they suck not because they are supposed to suck, but because they had tiny budgets (Except for Army of Darkness, it had 12Mil) But they are also awesome at the same time. And whats with harshing the movie mellow time with Iraq?
November 30th, 2006 at 3:27 pm#53 what is this place escept a support group/ breeding ground for the like and feeble minded.If you are not christians,then what exactly are you?You have to stand for something more in life.
Comment by octopussy — November 30, 2006 @ 11:16 am
How bout standing for truth, justice and the American way?
November 30th, 2006 at 3:30 pmBuddhist, standing for self enlightenment and trying not to laugh at Xian dogmatics.
And whats with harshing the movie mellow time with Iraq?
Comment by squegeeboo
I apologize but had to put it out into the void while it was fresh.
So how ’bout that movie Stange Brew…..dem crazy Canucks.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:31 pmI apologize but had to put it out into the void while it was fresh.
Well I suppose this is technically a Political Website, so it’s OK….this time.
Which brings up a valid point, I don’t know how I would feel about a movie like that, but didn’t the Turks do one about American Soldiers being baby killers and all that a year or so ago? I seem to remember hearing people like O’Reilly pontificating hardcore about it.
Strange Brew? hadn’t even heard of it, sounds silly and excellent. I mentioned this one to Zoo a week ago or so, The Forbidden Zone. Its absolutely horrifically bad, perhaps the worst movie I’ve ever seen.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:36 pmSqueeg,
My brother and I try to see these movies once a year together. They are favorites from the past that never grow old. Strange Brew, Slapshot and Yellowbeard. Drug-laced beer, hockey and pirates….who could ask for more.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:37 pmsqeegeroonie
the veterans
Are given a grant to go to college.
When I enlisted, I signed a contract. The contract stipulated that for each month of service, I was rewarded with x amount of college tuition.
I served three months less than my 3 years as they were giving early outs for going to Nam, which I did.
How is the government honoring their contractual obligation “GIVING” me anything.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:37 pmDickhead.
didn’t the Turks do one about American Soldiers being baby killers and all that a year or so ago?
Comment by squegeeboo
Yeah I remember something about that. It had two semi-known actors in it also. Something about how US soldiers shot up a truck full of women and children and tried to cover it up or something. But hey when you portray the Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Germans, and muslims like the US movies do I guess you can’t bitch too much….unless you are Bill O of course.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:40 pmFound it:
Valley of the Wolves Iraq
“In the most expensive Turkish movie ever made, American soldiers in Iraq crash a wedding and pump a little boy full of lead in front of his mother.”
And it’s apparently based on a TV show thats been around for 3 seasons.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:40 pmBut hey when you portray the Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Germans, and muslims like the US movies do I guess you can’t bitch too much
No no, you don’t understand, where the good guys, their the bad guys. So it’s alright to portray them that way, but not vice-versa, otherwise you hate America.
RUCerious
November 30th, 2006 at 3:51 pmYah, someone else already corrected me on that one.
#53: This place is a breeding ground for the feeble minded? Sorry you’ve got us mixed up with the Church. We actually encourage people to think for themselves.
He was dismissing it. Another quote by him from this case was that there was still “debate” about what has been causing the planet to warm. If he wasn’t an anti science religious fanatic he would realize that there IS no real debate now and that there is no plausible natural cause that can account for the planet’s recent warming. The sun’s variability has not shifted enough, and all other natural factors are stable. The only thing changing that could possibly have an effect on climate right now is the amount of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:53 pm#134 No no, you don’t understand, where the good guys, their the bad guys. So it’s alright to portray them that way, but not vice-versa, otherwise you hate America. Squegeeboo.
How’s going the smack in the head again, Squegee?
November 30th, 2006 at 3:54 pmNo no, you don’t understand, where the good guys, their the bad guys. So it’s alright to portray them that way, but not vice-versa, otherwise you hate America.
Comment by squegeeboo
I hope you didn’t bite your tongue too hard while writing that.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:54 pmdlet
I hope you didn’t bite your tongue too hard while writing that.
Don’t worry, it was stuck firmly in my cheek by then.
Evil Spaniard
November 30th, 2006 at 3:58 pmHow’s going the smack in the head again, Squegee?
It’s going just fine thanks.
How’s that go again? “Where” the good guys? I don’t know where ARE the good guys? Oh sorry you must have meant WE’RE instead of Where and THEY’RE instead of THEIR. Are you trying to look like a complete idiot or does it come naturally? Seriously I’m far from being a grammar nazi but is it THAT freakin hard to get this right?
November 30th, 2006 at 4:12 pmYep, good wholesome Americans… tasty and part of a balanced breakfast!
November 30th, 2006 at 4:15 pmReadyForChange
I don’t know where ARE the good guys?
In America, of course.
Seriously I’m far from being a grammar nazi but is it THAT freakin hard to get this right?
November 30th, 2006 at 4:17 pmQuite the grammatical rant for someone who isn’t a nazi about it, by the way, nazi should have been capitalized, seeing how as it is an acronym, or a proper noun or something like that.
dlet, I wrote them down, so when I can, I will.
Alright, goodnight everybody, time to go donate my semi-monthly pint of blood.
November 30th, 2006 at 4:19 pmAlright, goodnight everybody, time to go donate my semi-monthly pint of blood.
Comment by squegeeboo
So thats how you put yourself through school. Still need the money huh?
November 30th, 2006 at 4:22 pmSo thats how you put yourself through school. Still need the money huh?
So I actually do one unselfish act, and I get attacked for it? I see how it is, damn hypocrites :)
But really this time I’m actually leaving, stupid TP addiction.
November 30th, 2006 at 4:28 pm143: touche’
November 30th, 2006 at 5:05 pm#117 – Evil Spaniard,
November 30th, 2006 at 5:15 pmActually, the Iberian Peninsula was the last bastion of Neanderthals. They never made it to the British Isles, Ireland or Iceland. The genetic sequence that evokes language arose about 30,000 years ago in tropical Africa. It also occurs in chimps & toothed and hump-backed whales.
#145 Yes, and the language traveled south to north, that’s my point.
And, in an already historical plane, the phoenicians, cartaginians and greeks had important colonies in the Iberian Peninsula (and yes, the phoenicians traveled even to Britain to commerce with thin ore). The iberians of the time had an alphabet (different to the ones of the greeks, summerian or phoenician). Some years BC, the romans conquered the whole peninsula. The british island wasn’t wholy conquered, and the romans erected a wall between their empire and the “barbarian” north side of the island.
Some historians think that the famous Pillars of Heracles describe by Plato are the mounts of Gibraltar and the Mount Hacho in Ceuta. And that the mythical Atlantis was the city and region of Tartessos, an ancient city full of riches and refinement in the zone of the modern city of Cádiz, in the region of Andalucia, not far from the Pillars.
November 30th, 2006 at 5:48 pm#146 – Evil Spaniard,
The north of the main British Isles were occupied by what we now call the Scottish. At that time they were called Picts, Celtics and Druids. All were Germanic in origin and were ultimately conquered by the French who in turn are actually Germanic, but deny their heritage. The Germanic tribes wiped the Romans about 476 AD and the Islamic pushed them out of the Mediterranean about 800 AD. Phillip and Isabella came along in about 1480 AD and produced to finest days of Spain. About a hundred years later, Sir Walter Drake killed the concept of a Spanish Empire. Since then, it all has been downhill.
November 30th, 2006 at 6:22 pm