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	<title>Comments on: Fox News &#8216;Unwilling To Fall Into&#8230;Tender Trap&#8217; Of Calling Iraq A Civil War</title>
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		<title>By: Fox Broadcasting Company - Is Iraq engaged in a civil war?</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-4697784</link>
		<dc:creator>Fox Broadcasting Company - Is Iraq engaged in a civil war?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &quot;Tender Trap&quot; Posted on 12/1/2006 3:56 PM by brianrApprove (6) &#124; Reject (0) &#124; My vote: None  &#160;Think Progress...  Fox&#8217;s Senior Vice President John Moody &#8212; whose infamous politically-slanted [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Tender Trap&#8221; Posted on 12/1/2006 3:56 PM by brianrApprove (6) | Reject (0) | My vote: None  &nbsp;Think Progress&#8230;  Fox&rsquo;s Senior Vice President John Moody &mdash; whose infamous politically-slanted [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=4697784', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Iraq in civil war? Not according to Fox News&#8230; at Crashweb.net</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1222787</link>
		<dc:creator>Iraq in civil war? Not according to Fox News&#8230; at Crashweb.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fox News have always been a favorite target of mine, and it&#8217;s things like THIS that are the reason why. Admit it already, you are in a civil war. And if you are going to say that Iraq is not in a civil war give some reasons and don&#8217;t be so bias about it. An guess what, Iraq IS a failure. The administrations policies have failed. They have failed since the first boot touched the ground. Iraq being in a civil war is the ultimate example that the policies have in fact failed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fox News have always been a favorite target of mine, and it&#8217;s things like THIS that are the reason why. Admit it already, you are in a civil war. And if you are going to say that Iraq is not in a civil war give some reasons and don&#8217;t be so bias about it. An guess what, Iraq IS a failure. The administrations policies have failed. They have failed since the first boot touched the ground. Iraq being in a civil war is the ultimate example that the policies have in fact failed. [...]<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1222787', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Unknown Democrat</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1219089</link>
		<dc:creator>The Unknown Democrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 17:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faux News is nothing more than a propaganda wing of the Republican right.  They shouldn&#039;t even be called a new organization.  There idea of fair and balance is a one sided view for and by Republicans.  I compare them to the TASS News Agency of the old Soviet Union.  They put out the Republican talking point and position on every issue without question.  I&#039;ve never seen a more parisan organization anywhere.  If the President or a Republican says it, it&#039;s true.  If a Democrats says it, it&#039;s not true or you can&#039;t trust it.

This country is being subjected to a propaganda war and Faux News is actively trying to brainwash the American public into thinking a certain way.   They along with so called evangelicals will be the undoing of this country.  They have suceeded in undermining everything the founding fathers stood and fought for.  The sad part about it is that a moron from Australia is behind the undermining of American.  Mr. Rupard Murdouck wasn&#039;t borning here and is no friend of democracy.  He is a facist in American clothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faux News is nothing more than a propaganda wing of the Republican right.  They shouldn&#8217;t even be called a new organization.  There idea of fair and balance is a one sided view for and by Republicans.  I compare them to the TASS News Agency of the old Soviet Union.  They put out the Republican talking point and position on every issue without question.  I&#8217;ve never seen a more parisan organization anywhere.  If the President or a Republican says it, it&#8217;s true.  If a Democrats says it, it&#8217;s not true or you can&#8217;t trust it.</p>
<p>This country is being subjected to a propaganda war and Faux News is actively trying to brainwash the American public into thinking a certain way.   They along with so called evangelicals will be the undoing of this country.  They have suceeded in undermining everything the founding fathers stood and fought for.  The sad part about it is that a moron from Australia is behind the undermining of American.  Mr. Rupard Murdouck wasn&#8217;t borning here and is no friend of democracy.  He is a facist in American clothing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1219089', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1218535</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 15:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Main Entry: civil war
Function: noun
a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country 


Above is the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary definition of a civil war. 

To Fox News and all their wild eyed, slavering moronic supporters---- READ IT!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Main Entry: civil war<br />
Function: noun<br />
a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country </p>
<p>Above is the Merriam-Webster on-line dictionary definition of a civil war. </p>
<p>To Fox News and all their wild eyed, slavering moronic supporters&#8212;- READ IT!!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1218535', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Craine</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1217837</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Craine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox is right.

It cannot be a civil war.

Once the occupiers leave, then it will probably be a civil war, unless, of course, they have learned something from Rumsfeld; never tell the truth when a convenient lie lurks available.

And, they are soooo looking forward to cleaning up the radiation from the military use of DU (Depleted uranium, &quot;U238&quot;).  After a billion years, they might start to have normal babies again.

You know, if the dumb-asses had just prevented their murdering leader from participating in 911!  You might ask, which dumb-asses and which leader.  Personally, I am very sure Hussein had nothing to do with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox is right.</p>
<p>It cannot be a civil war.</p>
<p>Once the occupiers leave, then it will probably be a civil war, unless, of course, they have learned something from Rumsfeld; never tell the truth when a convenient lie lurks available.</p>
<p>And, they are soooo looking forward to cleaning up the radiation from the military use of DU (Depleted uranium, &#8220;U238&#8243;).  After a billion years, they might start to have normal babies again.</p>
<p>You know, if the dumb-asses had just prevented their murdering leader from participating in 911!  You might ask, which dumb-asses and which leader.  Personally, I am very sure Hussein had nothing to do with it!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1217837', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe Craine</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1217838</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Craine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 11:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox is right.

It cannot be a civil war.

Once the occupiers leave, then it will probably be a civil war, unless, of course, they have learned something from Rumsfeld; never tell the truth when a convenient lie lurks available.

And, they are soooo looking forward to cleaning up the radiation from the military use of DU (Depleted uranium, &quot;U238&quot;).  After a billion years, they might start to have normal babies again.

You know, if the dumb-asses had just prevented their murdering leader from participating in 911!  You might ask, which dumb-asses and which leader.  Personally, I am very sure Hussein had nothing to do with it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox is right.</p>
<p>It cannot be a civil war.</p>
<p>Once the occupiers leave, then it will probably be a civil war, unless, of course, they have learned something from Rumsfeld; never tell the truth when a convenient lie lurks available.</p>
<p>And, they are soooo looking forward to cleaning up the radiation from the military use of DU (Depleted uranium, &#8220;U238&#8243;).  After a billion years, they might start to have normal babies again.</p>
<p>You know, if the dumb-asses had just prevented their murdering leader from participating in 911!  You might ask, which dumb-asses and which leader.  Personally, I am very sure Hussein had nothing to do with it!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1217838', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JPark</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1216045</link>
		<dc:creator>JPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 00:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and tender trap...sounds vaguely gay.  Is Fox in the closet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and tender trap&#8230;sounds vaguely gay.  Is Fox in the closet?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1216045', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: JPark</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1216041</link>
		<dc:creator>JPark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Dec 2006 00:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why righties hate the term &quot;civil war&quot;.  Would it make Bush look any more like an idiot?  We already know he is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why righties hate the term &#8220;civil war&#8221;.  Would it make Bush look any more like an idiot?  We already know he is.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1216041', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Geraint Roberts</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1214807</link>
		<dc:creator>Geraint Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and you won&#039;t call a terrorist a terrorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and you won&#8217;t call a terrorist a terrorist.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1214807', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1214654</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Native Americans and the French were involved in the Revolutionary War. I am sorry, we just cannot call it a revolutionary war when there were those involved who did not directly benefit from the colonialist stuggle. Sorry, that changes everything. Re-write your history books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Native Americans and the French were involved in the Revolutionary War. I am sorry, we just cannot call it a revolutionary war when there were those involved who did not directly benefit from the colonialist stuggle. Sorry, that changes everything. Re-write your history books.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1214654', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eightball</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1214604</link>
		<dc:creator>Eightball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would he prefer &quot;Revolution&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would he prefer &#8220;Revolution&#8221;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1214604', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lawnguylander</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1214159</link>
		<dc:creator>Lawnguylander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 14:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fox is right but only because it&#039;s worse than a civil war. How about we call it a &quot;maelstrom of anarchic violence&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox is right but only because it&#8217;s worse than a civil war. How about we call it a &#8220;maelstrom of anarchic violence&#8221;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1214159', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Denis</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1214026</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Moody appears to be as ignorant as his on-air talent and audience.
For more than a 100 pages of discussion of the roels of tens of thosuands of foreigners in the American Civil War see Ellan Lonn&#039;s books Foreigners in the Confederacy and Foreigners in the Union Army and Navy.
For background on tens of thousands of foreigners in the Spanish Civil War read a book by Ernest Hemingway or look up the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Moody appears to be as ignorant as his on-air talent and audience.<br />
For more than a 100 pages of discussion of the roels of tens of thosuands of foreigners in the American Civil War see Ellan Lonn&#8217;s books Foreigners in the Confederacy and Foreigners in the Union Army and Navy.<br />
For background on tens of thousands of foreigners in the Spanish Civil War read a book by Ernest Hemingway or look up the Abraham Lincoln Brigade.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1214026', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: cromulant</title>
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		<dc:creator>cromulant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 13:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if the other networks had any gumption, they would call their rival to task for NOT behaving with journalistic precision or accuracy. Sometimes the media IS the story. It was the story when Rather was Foxed.  Why isn&#039;t it the story now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if the other networks had any gumption, they would call their rival to task for NOT behaving with journalistic precision or accuracy. Sometimes the media IS the story. It was the story when Rather was Foxed.  Why isn&#8217;t it the story now?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1214016', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Harry 3 Lime</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1213960</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry 3 Lime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 12:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by juan c.

Now, having read this on-and-on-and-on defense of Republican clarity, actually it&#039;s more of a lamentation, I haven&#039;t any idea where the party stands or those so enambored with it.

It&#039;s what it&#039;s always been, a pastiche of greed and mumblers who never get to the point and who deserve the ridicule they&#039;ve been getting ever since Hamilton got shot.</description>
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<p>Now, having read this on-and-on-and-on defense of Republican clarity, actually it&#8217;s more of a lamentation, I haven&#8217;t any idea where the party stands or those so enambored with it.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s what it&#8217;s always been, a pastiche of greed and mumblers who never get to the point and who deserve the ridicule they&#8217;ve been getting ever since Hamilton got shot.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1213960', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: barfly</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1213726</link>
		<dc:creator>barfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it looks like the name-stealer&#039;s tucked his tail between his legs, and redeployed to a less hostile environment.  I guess his mommy wouldn&#039;t let him stay up any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it looks like the name-stealer&#8217;s tucked his tail between his legs, and redeployed to a less hostile environment.  I guess his mommy wouldn&#8217;t let him stay up any longer.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1213726', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: barfly</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1213680</link>
		<dc:creator>barfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 09:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comment by Juan C 

Stealing names now, coward?

Meet me, wimp.</description>
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<p>Stealing names now, coward?</p>
<p>Meet me, wimp.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1213680', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DennyPerrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>DennyPerrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 06:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My god, yes, it&#039;s a civil war, irregardless of what foreign powers might be promoting the violence.  Okay,  I grant you, we don&#039;t necessarily have to call it a civil war, but doing so does serve a great purpose.  By changing the nomenclature we effectively remove control of the discussion agenda from the Bush people and we begin to be able speak more openly - freely about the war. Dissent is good.  More of it prior to going into Iraq would have been better. (understatement)

I, for one, am tired of hearing our Lionhearted Liberal brethren denounced as unpatriotic traitors because we might have a useful idea or two, or a list of fifty.  We do not have to let the neocons frame the discussion in their own pious censorial terms.  

The media has been sanitized for too long, remember the embedded reporters?  Did you get any information real information from them?  About all you got from the embeds was a sense of how it felt over there.  

Remember Wolf Blitzer talking to Lynne Cheney a month or so ago?  He kept asking her the wrong questions that she did not want to hear, and she asked him, &quot;Wolf, do you want the U.S. to win the war in Iraq?&quot; (paraphrased)

It&#039;s impossible to have an intelligent conversation with people who control the dialogue, the nomenclature, and with whom once you disagree will call your patriotism into question.  Why can&#039;t we ask things like:  Is this a revolutionary war?  Is this a religious war?  Is this genocide?  Is this a holocaust?  My answer would be a partial yes to all of the above, as well as YES to civil war.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god, yes, it&#8217;s a civil war, irregardless of what foreign powers might be promoting the violence.  Okay,  I grant you, we don&#8217;t necessarily have to call it a civil war, but doing so does serve a great purpose.  By changing the nomenclature we effectively remove control of the discussion agenda from the Bush people and we begin to be able speak more openly &#8211; freely about the war. Dissent is good.  More of it prior to going into Iraq would have been better. (understatement)</p>
<p>I, for one, am tired of hearing our Lionhearted Liberal brethren denounced as unpatriotic traitors because we might have a useful idea or two, or a list of fifty.  We do not have to let the neocons frame the discussion in their own pious censorial terms.  </p>
<p>The media has been sanitized for too long, remember the embedded reporters?  Did you get any information real information from them?  About all you got from the embeds was a sense of how it felt over there.  </p>
<p>Remember Wolf Blitzer talking to Lynne Cheney a month or so ago?  He kept asking her the wrong questions that she did not want to hear, and she asked him, &#8220;Wolf, do you want the U.S. to win the war in Iraq?&#8221; (paraphrased)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible to have an intelligent conversation with people who control the dialogue, the nomenclature, and with whom once you disagree will call your patriotism into question.  Why can&#8217;t we ask things like:  Is this a revolutionary war?  Is this a religious war?  Is this genocide?  Is this a holocaust?  My answer would be a partial yes to all of the above, as well as YES to civil war.</p>
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		<title>By: RichM</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well lets see. So far we&#039;ve been told this is not a civil war because not all parts of the country were at war. Ok! On that basis we did not have a civil war either, Maine did not have any battles during the Civil War. And we were told by our military leaders that because there is still a fucntioning central government in Iraq we do not have a civil war. Well Ok! Then once again we did not have a Civil War because Lincoln and his government were in power the whoe time. And now lastly we are told this is not a civil war because some outsiders are taking part in the war. Ok I can buy into that too. But on that count ours then also was not a Civil War because among others who fought in our war were a number of Canadians who were opposed to slavery.  So, all you text book writers out there scratch that from the books, NO CIVIL WAR happened in the US. We failed that mark by several different tests. Kids, remember on the SAT, NO CIVIL WAR IN THE US. And if you are marked incorrect on that we have the proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well lets see. So far we&#8217;ve been told this is not a civil war because not all parts of the country were at war. Ok! On that basis we did not have a civil war either, Maine did not have any battles during the Civil War. And we were told by our military leaders that because there is still a fucntioning central government in Iraq we do not have a civil war. Well Ok! Then once again we did not have a Civil War because Lincoln and his government were in power the whoe time. And now lastly we are told this is not a civil war because some outsiders are taking part in the war. Ok I can buy into that too. But on that count ours then also was not a Civil War because among others who fought in our war were a number of Canadians who were opposed to slavery.  So, all you text book writers out there scratch that from the books, NO CIVIL WAR happened in the US. We failed that mark by several different tests. Kids, remember on the SAT, NO CIVIL WAR IN THE US. And if you are marked incorrect on that we have the proof.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1212763', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sockman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/fox-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1212386</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 03:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see where Moody is coming from. The term &quot;civil war&quot; is associated with the defeat of the southern redneck midset. Why remind fox viewers of past losses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see where Moody is coming from. The term &#8220;civil war&#8221; is associated with the defeat of the southern redneck midset. Why remind fox viewers of past losses?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=1212386', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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