Comments on: Rice Falsely Claims That Iraqis Don’t Believe They Are In A Civil War http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:45:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: jean bourgeot http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1224636 jean bourgeot Mon, 04 Dec 2006 23:09:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1224636 With all respects due to Dr Rice, is the world so stupid not to see what a situation is like when political factions are trapped into violence and warfare inside the same border line? Whatever you may define it, or whatever Iraqis deem fit to call their internal fighting as a war or a conflict of some kind... we shall always remember the words of this very wise man about people who call themselves Doctors... with PHD: a Permanent Head Damage! With all respects due to Dr Rice, is the world so stupid not to see what a situation is like when political factions are trapped into violence and warfare inside the same border line?
Whatever you may define it, or whatever Iraqis deem fit to call their internal fighting as a war or a conflict of some kind… we shall always remember the words of this very wise man about people who call themselves Doctors… with PHD: a Permanent Head Damage!

]]> By: unspunblog.com » No Civil War http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1212862 unspunblog.com » No Civil War Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:47:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1212862 [...] Well lets see. So far we’ve been told this is not a civil war because not all parts of the country were at war. Ok! On that basis we did not have a civil war either, Maine did not have any battles during the Civil War. And we were told by our military leaders that because there is still a functioning central government in Iraq we do not have a civil war. Well Ok! Then once again we did not have a Civil War because Lincoln and his government were in power the whole time. And now lastly, we are told this is not a civil war because some outsiders are taking part in this war. Ok I can buy into that too. But on that count ours then also was not a Civil War because among others who fought in our war were a number of Canadians who were opposed to slavery. So, all you text book writers out there scratch that from the books, NO CIVIL WAR happened in the US. We failed that mark by several different tests. Kids, remember on the SAT, NO CIVIL WAR IN THE US. And if you are marked incorrect on that we have the proof and the experts to back you up. Condi will help you too. [...] [...] Well lets see. So far we’ve been told this is not a civil war because not all parts of the country were at war. Ok! On that basis we did not have a civil war either, Maine did not have any battles during the Civil War. And we were told by our military leaders that because there is still a functioning central government in Iraq we do not have a civil war. Well Ok! Then once again we did not have a Civil War because Lincoln and his government were in power the whole time. And now lastly, we are told this is not a civil war because some outsiders are taking part in this war. Ok I can buy into that too. But on that count ours then also was not a Civil War because among others who fought in our war were a number of Canadians who were opposed to slavery. So, all you text book writers out there scratch that from the books, NO CIVIL WAR happened in the US. We failed that mark by several different tests. Kids, remember on the SAT, NO CIVIL WAR IN THE US. And if you are marked incorrect on that we have the proof and the experts to back you up. Condi will help you too. [...]

]]> By: RichM http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1212787 RichM Sat, 02 Dec 2006 05:22:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1212787 Back in August of 2003 Rice while pandering to Veterans of Foreign Wars in San Antonio told them that situation in German following World War II was every bit as dangerous as what we were witnessing in Iraq at that time. That statement came from someone considered to be a scholar on the German issue. What it boils down to is that Condi would do or say anything and the truth be damned. Back in August of 2003 Rice while pandering to Veterans of Foreign Wars in San Antonio told them that situation in German following World War II was every bit as dangerous as what we were witnessing in Iraq at that time. That statement came from someone considered to be a scholar on the German issue. What it boils down to is that Condi would do or say anything and the truth be damned.

]]> By: keepinon http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1211647 keepinon Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:21:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1211647 Condi=BushCo Shill. No more-no less. Condi=BushCo Shill. No more-no less.

]]> By: Jay Severin has a small pen1s http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1211455 Jay Severin has a small pen1s Fri, 01 Dec 2006 23:18:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1211455 While they were at it...they should have asked CONDI if Iraqis see themselves as OCCUPIED. Or maybe OPPRESSED. Or if they think Americans should leave. Or if GAY people should be married. Or maybe if PRESIDENT BUSH should be tried for WAR CRIMES. I guess that would seem only fair since we are using their opinions to determine semantics on our end. While they were at it…they should have asked CONDI if Iraqis see themselves as OCCUPIED. Or maybe OPPRESSED. Or if they think Americans should leave. Or if GAY people should be married. Or maybe if PRESIDENT BUSH should be tried for WAR CRIMES.

I guess that would seem only fair since we are using their opinions to determine semantics on our end.

]]> By: axles of evil http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1211387 axles of evil Fri, 01 Dec 2006 22:50:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1211387 <strong>Read your comments and I asked, did pot meet kettle here?</strong> wow you are just oh so clever. its good to see you can add this and not add anything constructive to the "conversation" at all... do you have an oppinion of your own? or do you just mindlessly follow liberal Dbags all over the place I figure ill tell you now, i have no interest in any of this, whatever is happening is happening, and since NONE of you are taking any ACTIONS to remedy the situation , you may as well not be informed either, what are you going to do with your information, sit around and thumb your asses in your parents basements? Im of the mindset that you should either use the information you have to take action, or shut up and sit down, because you arent contributing anything by whining on the internet. If this is how you all feel, get off your asses and do something about it, i would applaud and support you for it, but untill then , you are just a bunch of all talk, no action complainers. i was just using this/and all of you, for a project im doing at school, a top 20 university. well i think i got what i need and i wont be checking back here again, thanks for the help. Read your comments and I asked, did pot meet kettle here?

wow you are just oh so clever. its good to see you can add this and not add anything constructive to the “conversation” at all… do you have an oppinion of your own? or do you just mindlessly follow liberal Dbags all over the place

I figure ill tell you now, i have no interest in any of this, whatever is happening is happening, and since NONE of you are taking any ACTIONS to remedy the situation , you may as well not be informed either, what are you going to do with your information, sit around and thumb your asses in your parents basements?

Im of the mindset that you should either use the information you have to take action, or shut up and sit down, because you arent contributing anything by whining on the internet.

If this is how you all feel, get off your asses and do something about it, i would applaud and support you for it, but untill then , you are just a bunch of all talk, no action complainers.

i was just using this/and all of you, for a project im doing at school, a top 20 university.

well i think i got what i need and i wont be checking back here again, thanks for the help.

]]> By: doro http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1211232 doro Fri, 01 Dec 2006 21:52:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1211232 <em>I am not a fan of Condi Rice, i think she is boarderline retarded. Comment by axles of evil — December 1, 2006 @ 10:46 am</em> Read your comments and I asked, did pot meet kettle here? I am not a fan of Condi Rice, i think she is boarderline retarded.
Comment by axles of evil — December 1, 2006 @ 10:46 am

Read your comments and I asked, did pot meet kettle here?

]]> By: Squidbilly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1211051 Squidbilly Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:53:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1211051 Who cares what you call it... civil war.. insurgents... al quaeda...etc. The truth is probably all are involved in a growing stew of violence and hatred. Iraq is totally screwed up with a dysfunctional government running a disfunctional military. Maybe Rice could agree to that! Then again, the light isn't too bright upstairs. Who cares what you call it… civil war.. insurgents… al quaeda…etc.

The truth is probably all are involved in a growing stew of violence and hatred.

Iraq is totally screwed up with a dysfunctional government running a disfunctional military.

Maybe Rice could agree to that! Then again, the light isn’t too bright upstairs.

]]> By: axles of evil http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1211050 axles of evil Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:53:18 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1211050 ill admit that your claims are all good ones, but you have to admit that you are all (most) very biased on the situation. maybe for good reason, maybe not, but you have to look at it from both sides, what about the good things we've done for these people ? the information we're ALL getting is all being subject to framing so it suits whatever network produces its purpose. just like all news. certainly there are facts that are being overlooked from both sides and people are using this to slant the issue. whether it be officials, or bloggers, or commenters on blogs like ourselves. and to the earlier comments i got, you have no reason or support for you claims that i am ignorant on the issue. whether i am or not, that does not change the issue that im bringing up relevant questions on the subject, and for you, this could be your chance to educate someone that doesnt really know all there is. ill admit, i am arguing for the sake of argument here, i have no real official oppinion either way, maybe i should, but i dont, i have my own issues right now that im dealing with first. ill admit that your claims are all good ones, but you have to admit that you are all (most) very biased on the situation. maybe for good reason, maybe not, but you have to look at it from both sides, what about the good things we’ve done for these people ?

the information we’re ALL getting is all being subject to framing so it suits whatever network produces its purpose. just like all news.

certainly there are facts that are being overlooked from both sides and people are using this to slant the issue. whether it be officials, or bloggers, or commenters on blogs like ourselves.

and to the earlier comments i got, you have no reason or support for you claims that i am ignorant on the issue. whether i am or not, that does not change the issue that im bringing up relevant questions on the subject, and for you, this could be your chance to educate someone that doesnt really know all there is.

ill admit, i am arguing for the sake of argument here, i have no real official oppinion either way, maybe i should, but i dont, i have my own issues right now that im dealing with first.

]]> By: Mark Wender http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210993 Mark Wender Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:29:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210993 Rice is nothing but a Bush lackey- and a she lies all the time. This is nothing new. mark Rice is nothing but a Bush lackey- and a she lies all the time. This is nothing new.
mark

]]> By: Jamal Rayyan Vision جمال ريان » Think Progress » Rice Falsely Claims That Iraqis Don’t Believe They Are In A Civil War http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210962 Jamal Rayyan Vision جمال ريان » Think Progress » Rice Falsely Claims That Iraqis Don’t Believe They Are In A Civil War Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:19:59 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210962 [...] Source: Think Progress » Rice Falsely Claims That Iraqis Don’t Believe They Are In A Civil War [...] [...] Source: Think Progress » Rice Falsely Claims That Iraqis Don’t Believe They Are In A Civil War [...]

]]> By: trblmkr http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210916 trblmkr Fri, 01 Dec 2006 20:05:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210916 <strong>Call me naive or stupid but I sense the whole purpose of Baker’s Iraq Study Group is to make Iraq a place to do business again. The group was formed in March, ‘06, right about when Bechtel, Blackwater, etc. started considering pulling out of Iraq. It wasn’t the midterms that brought all this grasping for alternatives about. Rummy’s firing is just so much misdirection. By now, Iraq was supposed to be a contractors’ paradise, that it hasn’t turned out that way is pissing off some major corporate donors (yes, to both parties). As we know with China, Russia, Indonesia, etc., “stability” trumps “democracy" as far as corporations are concerned. That is now the template for Iraq. Remember, Baker represents his own interest (Carlyle Group) and the interest of the Govt of Kuwait for unpaid war reparations, talk about conflicted!</strong> Call me naive or stupid but I sense the whole purpose of Baker’s Iraq Study Group is to make Iraq a place to do business again. The group was formed in March, ‘06, right about when Bechtel, Blackwater, etc. started considering pulling out of Iraq. It wasn’t the midterms that brought all this grasping for alternatives about. Rummy’s firing is just so much misdirection. By now, Iraq was supposed to be a contractors’ paradise, that it hasn’t turned out that way is pissing off some major corporate donors (yes, to both parties). As we know with China, Russia, Indonesia, etc., “stability” trumps “democracy” as far as corporations are concerned. That is now the template for Iraq.
Remember, Baker represents his own interest (Carlyle Group) and the interest of the Govt of Kuwait for unpaid war reparations, talk about conflicted!

]]> By: IraqVet http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210703 IraqVet Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:49:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210703 #58... Point taken! #58…

Point taken!

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210647 Bluedog49 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:31:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210647 IraqVet: "Why would ANY respectable journalist BELIEVE anything that she says..." It's a good question. Unfortunately, the answer illustrates part of what is wrong with our media today. Gwen Ifill of NPR, for example, is a personal friend of Rice's. She goes to Rice's house for dinner and cocktails, has a nice time and then has an interview her the next day. She, of course, asks no embarassing questions and lets Rice ramble without providing anything but administration spin... because she's a personal friend. This is not journalism. It's speaking FOR power. IraqVet: “Why would ANY respectable journalist BELIEVE anything that she says…”

It’s a good question. Unfortunately, the answer illustrates part of what is wrong with our media today. Gwen Ifill of NPR, for example, is a personal friend of Rice’s. She goes to Rice’s house for dinner and cocktails, has a nice time and then has an interview her the next day. She, of course, asks no embarassing questions and lets Rice ramble without providing anything but administration spin… because she’s a personal friend. This is not journalism. It’s speaking FOR power.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210641 ForTruth Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:28:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210641 MA, We agree on this momentous occaision. I even sense some compassion in your post, or am I just projecting? MA,

We agree on this momentous occaision. I even sense some compassion in your post, or am I just projecting?

]]> By: mighty aphrodite http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210624 mighty aphrodite Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:24:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210624 #52 - "They have been telling us to leave for about a year now." Comment by ForTruth ******Dear ForTruth - I have read so many different polls on the question posed to Iraqis re: our leaving. But if the vast majority wanted us out, I would have to support that move. I hate the idea of more (if that would be possible) sectarian violence and I dislike the notion of Iran's influence. But to free people from an awful dictator and watch them revert to 7th Century madness is pathetic. And while we may have different motives for supporting bio-fuels, I FULLY support getting out from under the thumb of OPEC. My proclamation: "Let them ride camels..." Busy day..... #52 – “They have been telling us to leave for about a year now.”
Comment by ForTruth

******Dear ForTruth – I have read so many different polls on the question posed to Iraqis re: our leaving. But if the vast majority wanted us out, I would have to support that move. I hate the idea of more (if that would be possible) sectarian violence and I dislike the notion of Iran’s influence. But to free people from an awful dictator and watch them revert to 7th Century madness is pathetic.

And while we may have different motives for supporting bio-fuels, I FULLY support getting out from under the thumb of OPEC. My proclamation: “Let them ride camels…”

Busy day…..

]]> By: IraqVet http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210607 IraqVet Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:19:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210607 Was she on her monthly cycle, or does her face just frown like that naturally? Oh well, I digress... <strong>Question:</strong> Why would ANY respectable journalist BELIEVE anything that she says, when she works for the most well-known IDIOT in the world? Like she is going to have any differentiating opinion from what DUMBYA says? It took Colin Powell's resignation for him to wake up, and yet they still interview her thinking that she will tell the truth or stray from the WH talking points... UNBELIEVABLE! Was she on her monthly cycle, or does her face just frown like that naturally? Oh well, I digress…

Question: Why would ANY respectable journalist BELIEVE anything that she says, when she works for the most well-known IDIOT in the world? Like she is going to have any differentiating opinion from what DUMBYA says?

It took Colin Powell’s resignation for him to wake up, and yet they still interview her thinking that she will tell the truth or stray from the WH talking points…

UNBELIEVABLE!

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210584 Bluedog49 Fri, 01 Dec 2006 18:12:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210584 "No one could have imagined...." "It was basically historical in nature...." "I didn't read it...." What else is new. Along with her standing as the most incompetent National Security Advisor in history, now she stands as the most mendacious Sec. of State since Kissinger. What a resume! “No one could have imagined….”

“It was basically historical in nature….”

“I didn’t read it….”

What else is new. Along with her standing as the most incompetent National Security Advisor in history, now she stands as the most mendacious Sec. of State since Kissinger. What a resume!

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210523 pete Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:59:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210523 rice is nothing but a G D liar, fashioned in the bush, rhummy, cheny, rove mould. rice is nothing but a G D liar, fashioned in the bush, rhummy, cheny, rove mould.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/comment-page-2/#comment-1210519 ForTruth Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:59:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/01/iraq-rice-civil-war/#comment-1210519 Since when is this administration giving credibility to what the Iraqi's say. They have been telling us to leave for about a year now. Since when is this administration giving credibility to what the Iraqi’s say. They have been telling us to leave for about a year now.

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