Rice Admits Mistakes Were Made In Iraq, Won’t Say What They Were Until Bush Leaves Office
Rice Admits Mistakes Were Made In Iraq, Won’t Say What They Were Until Bush Leaves Office
In an interview yesterday on Al Arabiya TV, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was asked if the Bush administration has made any mistakes in Iraq. Here was Rice’s response:
SECRETARY RICE: …As to whether the United States has made mistakes, of course, I’m sure, we have. You can’t be involved in something as big as the liberation of a country like Iraq and all that has happened since, and I’m sure there are things that we could have done differently; but frankly, we are looking ahead. And when I’m back at Stanford University, I can look back and write books about what we might have done differently.
In other words, Rice realizes that — as bad as things are in Iraq — the Bush administration must have made mistakes. But she refuses to think about them until she leaves office.
The problem with this approach is the there are 140,000 troops in Iraq right now. There is an imperative to identify and correct mistakes in our strategy. Instead, Condoleezza Rice and President Bush are staying the course.
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As X-Patriate says, it’s “More and More Like a Civil War“–there and here.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jordT1Kuc88
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:35 pmAs X-Patriate says, it’s “More and More Like a Civil War”–there and here.
Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jordT1Kuc88
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:36 pmGiven her obvious incompetence and disdain for the truth, why in the world would Stanford take her back, except in an adminsitrative position?
Once again, how Olive Oyl got her Ph.D. is beyond me.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:39 pmI could write the book today…why wait? We could start with “the Aug. 6th PDB was an historical document.” and go on and on from there. All she’d have to do is do a nexus search on all her lamebrained statements.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:40 pmIt is the unwritten rule - you leave Bush&Co and then you tell the truth.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:42 pmDamn it. I do NOT want her back at my alma mater.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 pmMs Rice, pardon my plain English, but you are a worthless waste of skin, and a common low-rent f*cking bitch.
PEOPLE ARE DYING, AND YOU CONTEMPLATE RETURNING TO STANFORD AND WRITING A BOOK OR TWO ABOUT WHAT YOU MIGHT DONE DIFFERENTLY!?
Skank.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 pm“i can make more money telling ‘my side’ when i’m out of office.”
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:43 pmvery good, anne.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:44 pmWow…mistakes were made…they are going to hell then!!!
God’s Top Three Pet Peeves…
The Bible, when properly read, states that it is harder for a liberal to pass in to heaven than it is for a drunken young girl to live through an encounter with Ted Kennedy. That is pretty difficult, since Ted Kennedy is to nubile, inebriated females what black holes are to light and matter.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:49 pmAnd when I’m back at Stanford University, I can look back and write books about what we might have done differently.
How about looking back RIGHT NOW and start working on solutions, lamebrained hack? After all, We the People, are still going to pay your salary for the next two years. Get off your incompetent ass and do some productive work for a change.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:50 pmFor a Ph.D. she is a joke. One of the hallmarks of that level of learning is an extremely good memory, otherwise the tests (oral and written) would be so overwhelming it would be impossible to pass. Another hallmark is the ability to take in data and draw reasonable conclusions. On both of those accounts she fails miserably, either by design or incompetence. Who will she get to write the book(s) in her name?
On the other hand, a high level of learning does not lead to any level of compassion for one’s fellow man. That is very evident.
If this represents leadership at Stanford, that institution is in sad shape.
December 2nd, 2006 at 12:52 pmSECRETARY RICE: …As to whether the United States has made mistakes, of course, I’m sure, we have. You can’t be involved in something as big as the liberation of a country like Iraq and all that has happened since, and I’m sure there are things that we could have done differently; but frankly, we are looking ahead. And when I’m back at Stanford University, I can look back and write books about what we might have done differently.
*cough* nation building *cough*
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:01 pm14 The Bible, when properly read, states that it is harder for a liberal to pass in to heaven than it is for a drunken young girl to live through an encounter with Ted Kennedy.
Comment by Derwin — December 2, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
And, properly read, states also that true christian conservatives must sacrifice their sons in an altar to honor God.
Dumbwin, say it to your dad.
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:04 pmWould someone please take a scan of a box of Uncle Bens rice and photoshop her head in place of Uncle Ben, then call it “Uncle Condozoleeza’s Rice”?
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:16 pmEvery death in Iraq is a mistake. Every person wounded is a mistake. How can Rice blithely muse about writing books on this horror?
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:24 pmWorst Secretary of State ever.
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:26 pmWhat the neocons think they will do is write about Iraq AFTER the events and spin them so they dont look so bad. What they dont get is that they will not be the only ones who write about Iraq. They only want to hear their version of the way things happened. Just like the cult they are.
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:29 pmMany here will remember I have tagged rice with “dead eye’s rice”..May I add just because some one is a college grad doe’s not mean they are smart..Often common sence, compasion and dignety are missing in the well educated…..Cases in point, bush, rice and our own MA…Blessings all.
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:35 pmBush invades Iraq
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:38 pmForward-leaning strategy
Faceprints in the sand
Hermaphroditey has a high school education at best, im almost certain. I don’t buy her claim of being a lawyer one bit. Honestly I just can’t see someone that educated wasting their time being a troll… most lawyers simply have too little time..
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:39 pmWorst president
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:40 pmWorst Sec of State = Rice
Worst Sec of Defense = Rumsfeld
Worst Vice Pres = Cheney
Worst Attorneys General = Gonzales and Ashcroft
The list of extremes in this administration is too lengthy to print here - you get the message. This is the worst bunch of incompetent, dangerous, stubborn, deceitful and secretive cabal this nation has ever seen.
Completely incompetent she is.
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:50 pm#24 - Marie,
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:50 pmAnd if McCain manages to get elected in 2008, we will have a worse President.
Character Green Beret Colonel Walter E. Kurtz (Apocalypse Now, paraphrased): If we had a pure military we could have won Viet Nam by now
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:51 pmwith only 1/4 the number of troops.
Condi has an all volunteer army and will defy the will of American people because of it.
Many here will remember I have tagged rice with “dead eye’s riceâ€..May I add just because some one is a college grad doe’s not mean they are smart..Often common sence, compasion and dignety are missing in the well educated…..Cases in point, bush, rice and our own MA…Blessings all.
Comment by Sharon Cox — December 2, 2006 @
Obviously you are not educated as well.Learn to SPELL
Doh!
December 2nd, 2006 at 1:52 pmYou know you all want to Vote for her in 08 as the next President of the US.
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:07 pmyou are all just jealous you didn`t turn out as well as Condi.
but it doesn`t hurt to still dream
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:07 pmI would not vote for her as local dog catcher. If they put a gun to my head, I would prefer they pull the trigger!!
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:09 pmI would not vote for her as local dog catcher. If they put a gun to my head, I would prefer they pull the trigger!!
Comment by Jules — December 2, 2006 @
here, let me
you are all just jealous you didn`t turn out as well as her in life.
it still doesn`t hurt to dream I guess.
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:11 pmWell, she’s a proven administration liar at the highest level- what a good example for a “success” story. That doesn’t actually take much to accomplish, sorry.
Her confirmation hearing was for her just a trivial exercise, she didn’t begin to bother with explaining the lies even as her own statements were presented to her.
And now, as most of us knew, she starts up the real exit strategy, HERS, as with all the self-serving Bush Cabinet, for her career made better by the war.
She never could get herself to really care, not for any of the soldiers, civilians and the taxpayers next generation of debts (that have weakened us in the real issue of China ahead), just as she continued with her shoe shopping in NYC and attending the opera as Katrina poured down on less fortunate, who as a woman of her background supposedly considering her fortunes in the U.S., she may have actually thought twice about.
Back as she so sure she will be at the University, she will be the lightweight behind the scenes consultant-lobbyist she is made to be. Impressing idiots because she can play the piano. What a waste of time and taxpayers money she is. The only respite for us, is that her lies will come back to haunt her and ruin any legacy she hoped to have, even as a lightweight category. Not a great position for women-of-color in the U.S., nor certainly not a success story.
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmOne last post before I run the Bear and check on all the tree’s….I have spoken to many people of color about dead eye’s rice and they have indicated their displeasure with her….None I know would vote for her if she were to run and all think she is a traitor to our country and to their race…..Very interesting…..What’s even more interesting, the fact the one’s I know are well educated, good provider’s and far more considerate and compasionate than the white’s….I am amazed at the bigotry and ignorance shown by many I meet…Have a Blessed day all
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:29 pmyou are all just jealous you didn`t turn out as well as her in life.
it still doesn`t hurt to dream I guess.
Comment by errol — December 2, 2006 @ 2:11 pm
Yeah, that’s it. I am jealous that history will not remember me as a co-conspirator and enabler of a lying, thieving, murdering administration that cares more about the pofits of their buddies than of the american people who I SWORE to serve. Boy, you really have me pegged!
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:31 pm[…] Condi Rice, for all that she’s a lightweight, is aware enough to realize that she doesn’t measure up to her responsibilities and that she’s been a failure. The thing I noticed in this post at ThinkProgress is this remark: SECRETARY RICE: …As to whether the United States has made mistakes, of course, I’m sure, we have. You can’t be involved in something as big as the liberation of a country like Iraq and all that has happened since, and I’m sure there are things that we could have done differently; but frankly, we are looking ahead. And when I’m back at Stanford University, I can look back and write books about what we might have done differently. […]
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:32 pmSect Rice on the News Hour September 25, 2002
We clearly know that there were in the past and have been contacts between senior Iraqi officials and members of al-Qaida going back for actually quite a long time.
We know too that several of the detainees, in particular some high ranking detainees, have said that Iraq provided some training to al-Qaida in chemical weapons development.
So, yes, there are contacts between Iraq and al-Qaida. We know that Saddam Hussein has a long history with terrorism in general. And there are some al-Qaida personnel who found refuge in Baghdad.
No one is trying to make an argument at this point that Saddam Hussein somehow had operational control of what happened on September 11, so we don’t want to push this too far, but this is a story that is unfolding, and it is getting clear, and we’re learning more.
We’re learning more because we have a lot of detainees who are able to fill in pieces of the puzzle. And when the picture is clear, we’ll make full disclosure about it.
But, yes, there clearly are contacts between al-Qaida and Iraq that can be documented. There clearly is testimony that some of these contacts have been important contacts and there’s a relationship here.
[Keywords: Stanford University, Provost, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, 9/11, al-Qaida, Iraq, Saddam Hussein, smoking gun, mushroom cloud, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, transformational diplomacy]
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:37 pmAnd Heres just one of many mistakes’
Army Manual to Skip Geneva Detainee Rule
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon has decided to omit from new detainee policies a key tenet of the Geneva Convention that explicitly bans “humiliating and degrading treatment,” according to knowledgeable military officials, a step that would mark a further, potentially permanent, shift away from strict adherence to international human rights standards.
NEXT WAR WILL BE ANYTHING GOES………..This should be applied to American toursits too
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 pmShe’ll have PLENTY of time in prison for her memoires.
It looks like a lot of dems are planning on trying to ‘business as usual’ the massive warcrimes, the treason, the attempt to install a police state, and all the corruption. Well, guess again.
Investigate, Indict, Impeach, Convict, Remove from Office, Imprison.
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:48 pm“In other words, Rice realizes that — as bad as things are in Iraq — the Bush administration must have made mistakes. But she refuses to think about them until she leaves office.” Copy by Judd
*******Judd….Juddd…..Judddd - As fond as I am of you, I think you have taken a brain leap here with no net. “As bad as things are…..(BushCo) must have made mistakes,” does not seem to account for the prevailing information of 1998 - 2000. Unfortunately, EVERY war in history has seen “terrible mistakes” - it is a terrible consequence of human nature.
“Refuses to think”? Not at all - refuses to discuss her thoughts with TP, perhaps.
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:49 pmI think if things dont change in January As well as boycotting your goods I will wash my hands of your country forever
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:51 pmCorruption: the ’second insurgency’ costing $4bn a year
The Iraqi government is in danger of being brought down by the wholesale smuggling of the nation’s oil and other forms of corruption that together represent a “second insurgency”, according to a senior US official. Stuart Bowen, who has been in charge of auditing Iraq’s faltering reconstruction since 2004, said corruption had reached such levels that it threatened the survival of the state.
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:52 pmIs her picture in the dictionary yet next to incompetence ?
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:53 pm“Every illegal war for profit in history has had big profitable mistakes.” — moody afrodoody
December 2nd, 2006 at 2:56 pmShe sounds like Scarlet O’Hara — “I’ll think about that tomorrow.”
December 2nd, 2006 at 3:04 pm“I think if things dont change in January As well as boycotting your goods I will wash my hands of your country forever ” Comment by Tobey Tall
*******Thank you for your notice - I don’t know HOW we’ll manage to get along without you - but we’ll give it a go….
“Every illegal war for profit in history has had big profitable mistakes.†— moody afrodoody” Comment by Paul in LA
December 2nd, 2006 at 3:10 pm*******Let me guess, Paul - you consider yourself clever? Tell you what - why don’t think about the immediate repercussions to our country and economy if the barbarians who control the oil spigot decide to pull the plug? An answer like - “I don’t care,” or “I don’t have time to provide you with my 15 years of research,” will count for nothing…….
Is President Bush Sane?
Tens of millions of Americans want President George W. Bush to be impeached for the lies and deceit he used to launch an illegal war and for violating his oath of office to uphold the US Constitution. Millions of other Americans want Bush turned over to the war crimes tribunal at the Hague. The true fate that awaits Bush is psychiatric incarceration.
The president of the United States is so deep into denial that he is no longer among the sane.
Delusion still rules Bush three weeks after the American people repudiated him and his catastrophic war in elections that delivered both House and Senate to the Democrats in the hope that control over Congress would give the opposition party the strength to oppose the mad occupant of the White House.
On November 28 Bush insisted that US troops would not be withdrawn from Iraq until he had completed his mission of building a stable Iraqi democracy capable of spreading democratic change in the Middle East.
Bush made this astonishing statement the day after NBC News, a major television network, declared Iraq to be in the midst of a civil war, a judgment with which former Secretary of State Colin Powell concurs.
The same day that Bush reaffirmed his commitment to building a stable Iraqi democracy, a secret US Marine Corps intelligence report was leaked. According to the Washington Post, the report concludes: “the social and political situation has deteriorated to a point that US and Iraqi troops are no longer capable of militarily defeating the insurgency in al-Anbar province.”
The Marine Corps intelligence report says that al-Qaeda is the “dominant organization of influence” in Anbar province, and is more important than local authorities, the Iraqi government and US troops “in its ability to control the day-to-day life of the average Sunni.”
Bush’s astonishing determination to deny Iraq reality was made the same day that the US-installed Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki and US puppet King Abdullah II of Jordan abruptly cancelled a meeting with Bush after Bush was already in route to Jordan on Air Force One. Bush could not meet with Maliki in Iraq, because violence in Baghdad is out of control. For security reasons, the US Secret Service would not allow President Bush to go to Iraq, where he is “building a stable democracy.”
Bush made his astonishing statement in the face of news leaks of the Iraq Study Group’s call for a withdrawal of all US combat forces from Iraq. The Iraq Study Group is led by Bush family operative James A. Baker, a former White House chief of staff, former Secretary of the Treasury, and former Secretary of State. Baker was tasked by father Bush to save the son. Apparently, son Bush hasn’t enough sanity to allow himself to be saved.
Bush’s denial of Iraqi reality was made even as one of the most influential Iraqi Shi’ite leaders, Moqtada al-Sadr, is building an anti-US parliamentary alliance to demand the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq.
Maliki himself appears on the verge of desertion by his American sponsors. The White House has reportedly “lost confidence” in Maliki’s “ability to control violence.” Fox “News” disinformation agency immediately began blaming Maliki for the defeat the US has suffered in Iraq. NY Governor Pataki told Fox “News” that “Maliki is not doing his job.” Pataki claimed that US troops were doing “a great job.”
A number of other politicians and talking heads joined in the scapegoating of Maliki. No one explained how Maliki can be expected to save Iraq when US troops cannot provide enough security for the Iraqi government to go outside the heavily fortified “green zone” that occupies a small area of Baghdad. If the US Marines cannot control Anbar province, what chance is there for Maliki? What can Maliki do if the security provided by US troops is so bad that the president of the US cannot even visit the country?
The only people in Iraq who are safe belong to al-Qaeda and the Sunni insurgents or are Shi’ite militia leaders such as al-Sadr.
An American group, the Center for Constitutional Rights, has filed war crimes charges in Germany against former US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. A number of former US attorneys believe President Bush and Vice President Cheney deserve the same.
Bush has destroyed the entire social, political, and economic fabric of Iraq. Saddam Hussein sat on the lid of Pandora’s Box of sectarian antagonisms, but Bush has opened the lid. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians have been killed as “collateral damage” in Bush’s war to bring “stable democracy” to Iraq. Tens of thousands of Iraqi children have been orphaned and maimed. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have fled their country. The Middle East is aflame with hatred of America, and the ground is shaking under the feet of American puppet governments in the Middle East. US casualties (killed and wounded) number 25,000.
And Bush has not had enough!
What better proof of Bush’s insanity could there be?
December 2nd, 2006 at 3:15 pm“Is her picture in the dictionary yet next to incompetence ?”–DutchHenry
You misspelled NEGLIGENCE.
Really, are you really so in love with ‘competence’?
Here’s a clue: Genocide competently done could look no better. Half million people killed, no WMD excuses, no smoking gun, 400 tons of high-explosives sent out to the four winds, massive cultural destruction impoverishing the whole world — what did they miss?
Really, what did they miss? Sure, they didn’t have time to set up their camps for the orderly-processing of the humans into sausage — but other than that pet dream of Condi ‘The Butcher’ Rice, what did they miss?
Something about people who love (or cover for) their warcriminals that makes me sick. I wonder what that could be? Do you think it’s the 100,000 dead children? Maybe it’s the nuclear plans GFH Bush put on the web. Or maybe it’s the torture-for-profit merc ‘contractors’ he replaced our MPs with.
Naw, it’s the mothers splattered against their kitchen walls with their children fried to their corpses.
December 2nd, 2006 at 3:21 pmSpudge - I don’t link Ameri-phobe Humanist with YOUR side ideologically - only educationally. (Sort of like Sharon taking another leap and compared Condi’s educational background with mine.) As the moniker describes, most posters here are “progressive” wanting to implement leftist political ideals slowly. Humanist is a wanna-be revolutionary - suggesting Americans who agree with him pull a Hezbollah style strike from work until George Bush gets the US out of Iraq.
And I HATE the spelling police - I myself make sooo many errors typing that Lora and the rest of the school marms could run out of red ink. But when this sites version of “Mother Jones” flaps her brain about anybody and everybody who doesn’t rely on possum for supper….she might expect a tad of “help”.
December 2nd, 2006 at 3:30 pmDear Paul - You write just like my youngest brother when he was young, stupid and still a student at UCLA…..Mercifully - he grew up….and….due to the fact our parents were dead, paid for his own college……
December 2nd, 2006 at 3:35 pm“Mistakes were made”
Ah, the old passive flyby. Never hear them uttering the “we made mistakes” version, do we?
December 2nd, 2006 at 3:55 pmYour parents didn’t die, they just left the earth because they were so embarrassed with how you turned out.
They’re waiting for you on the other side for a REAL ass-whooping you will never forget, fool.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:03 pmRight On: Tobey Tall (Comment #47): very well said.
Cunning Rice is just a lying treasonous war-whore. It is sickening to know that she went to grad school at Stanford, a university that I once attended. Yikes…
Cheers.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:04 pmWith “Last Throes†Debunked, Rice Unveils “The Latte Defenseâ€
On the “deadliest day of violence in Baghdad since the U.S. invasion more than two years ago,†Bill O’Reilly sat down with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to examine the real issues in Iraq: It’s all about the lattes.
O’Reilly: The truth of the matter is our correspondents at Fox News can’t go out for a cup of coffee in Baghdad.
Rice: Bill, that’s tough. It’s tough. But what — would they have wanted to have gone out for a cup of coffee when Saddam Hussein was in power?
Filed under: Iraq
Posted by Christy September 15, 2005 10:56
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/09/15/iraq-latte/
Hu-hum.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:04 pmWouldn’t it be great if Mighty Aphrodite and the rest of the NeoCon lapdogs were in boots in Iraq instead of hiding behind computer screens insulting the only real patriots left in America? Contrary to what MA and his/her NeoCon alter egos would like to convince him/herself, most of us so called “progressives” would be happy if the US Constitution remained intact and the commons wasn’t being looted by corporatists, nevermind the “leftist political ideals.” Many of us have actually paid our dues having served in the Armed Forces. In my eyes MA, you and the Right Wing Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopolists are the real traitors to this country, the middle class, and the “American Dream.”
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:08 pmIt doesn’t matter about Condi,It never did.
She is merely the cabin boy aboard the USS Con,
And a pretty bad one at that.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:11 pmWhat makes Comedi Rice think Stanford University would ever want to be associated with her again?
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:16 pmShe’ll be lucky if they don’t try to erase all mention of her throughout the school.
Rice: Bill, that’s tough. It’s tough. But what — would they have wanted to have gone out for a cup of coffee when Saddam Hussein was in power?
When Saddam Hussein was in power, Iraqis freely use to go to cafes to drink and smoke.
Back then, a frequent topic of discussion was Ghengis Khan whom Iraqis of all persuasion treated with contempt and scorn for defiling sacred Babylon almost 800 years ago.
With the vast immensity of the death and destruction going on in Iraq and the imagery of Abu Ghraib etc. in mind, I’d like to ask how long people think it will take the Iraqis to stop treating Americans with contempt and scorn?
Perhaps a thousand years?
[Keywords: Ghengis Khan, Babylon, Saddam Hussein, Condi Rice, George W. Bush, September 11 2001, Abu Ghraib prison, Staff Sergeant Ivan L. Frederick II, known as Chip, who was the senior enlisted man; Specialist Charles A. Graner; Sergeant Javal Davis; Specialist Megan Ambuhl; Specialist Sabrina Harman; Private Lynndie England; and Private Jeremy Sivits]
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmRUCerious: What makes Comedi Rice think Stanford University would ever want to be associated with her again?
She’ll be lucky if they don’t try to erase all mention of her throughout the school.
There’s plenty of evil in Northern Calif:
John Yoo is Professor of law at Univ of Cal (Berkeley) School of Law (Boalt Hall)
George Schulz is at the Hoover Institution at Stanford.
Bechtel Corp is at 50 Beale St, San Francisco, 94105
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:25 pm#56 - “….so called “progressives†would be happy if the US Constitution remained intact and the commons wasn’t being looted by corporatists, nevermind the “leftist political ideals…..†Comment by Repub. Oil
*******Veeerrrrry impressive - and you thought of this ALL by yourself?? I can understand your Constitutional angst - the Appeasers and Isolationist in WWII were most worried about the loss of civil liberties, internment camps, censorship, etc. (Isn’t it AMAZING - these rights WERE restored..)
In closing - if a scintilla of your original thought here at TP is intended to induce and increase your blog readership - you’ve failed miserably…. Cheer up - you can only improve - and THAT is a positive development.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:26 pm#56 - Republican Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopoly,
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 pmIt would be nice if the Neocons were dropped into a battlefield from 30,000 feet without parachutes. That would give them the best chance of taking out a few insurgents and they would not need body armor or weapons. However, they should be pre-packed in body bags in order to contain all the excrement they spew. There is enough toxic waste in Iraq already from the depleted Uranium.
as he would say “Semper Fiâ€.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 2, 2006 @ 4:30 pm
Odd thing for a SOLDIER to say - which is what you have previously claimed…
Can’t you go spew your ignorant nonsense in Freeperville?
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:37 pmShe makes me puke.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:40 pmAnd when I’m back at Stanford University, I can look back and write books about what we might have done differently.
which will be the school books that children will use in order to learn the true history behind the liberation of Iraq.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:43 pmGoods - you’re right, but guess what? There’s also a whole slew of good people there too. A few neocons and fascista, but by and large, it’s a fairly enlightened area.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:48 pmShe makes me puke, too.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:50 pmwhich will be the school books that children will use in order to learn the true history behind the liberation of Iraq.
Comment by Juan C — December 2, 2006 @ 4:43 pm
Exactly!
When we studied Moorish Architecture in Spain earlier this yaer, none of my students had any idea that Christopher Columbus was anything other than a “hero”. But, you can bet that they know now :)
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:56 pmShe looks like the women android-alien that seduces Martin Short´s character in Tim Burton´s Mars Attack.
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:58 pmCreepy.
Let`s get back to the Book that STANDS for something,unlike your party,the BIBLE!!
Comment by wanna deport Dems — December 2, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
Which of its 32 versions are you referencing?
Doesn’t matter, they are all worthless garbage, filled with contradictions, murder, incest, rape and a host of talking animals…
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:58 pm#70,
Are you referring to “The Idiot’s Guide to Hypocrisy”? It certainly does stand for the Republican party…
December 2nd, 2006 at 4:59 pm#70….
Not interested in that book, the bible today stands for the longest running religous con-job in the history of the human race.
There is some good stuff in it, like the Ten Commandments, and the words of Jesus the Nazarene. Some really good Proverbs, too.
The rest is just stories of violence, adultery, scare tactics, threats, more violence, and the geneology of a bunch of sheepherders from 5,000 years ago.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:00 pmAs Wayne Campbell memorably called his persistent ex in Wayne’s World, “psycho hose beast.” I wish I could get away with this sort of responsibility as a teacher-”Yeah guys, go ahead, trash the classroom, have sex in here, smoke some dope, the law and/or the streets will catch up to you in about five years”. The Bush Administration-the grown-ups are in charge again.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:00 pmnone of my students had any idea that Christopher Columbus was anything other than a “heroâ€. But, you can bet that they know now :)
Comment by unbelievable
Ha ha ha! Wow! Just ask Exley.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:00 pm# 71….
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:05 pmYeah, Barry, you were the one who wanted to use nuclear weapons in Viet Nam, remember?
And I haven’t forgotten about the historical structures in the Grand Canyon you and your buddy torched, just for the hell of it…….
both Mr. Aphrodite and I are veterans
as in old farts.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:06 pm#80….
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:08 pmEmpty threat, the terrorists already know what the mistakes were, and have been exploiting them regularly for the last 3 years………………..
Just ask Exley.
Comment by Juan C — December 2, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
But I just took a shower…
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:19 pmHEY - HEY LOOK AT ME!!
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:20 pmI can go to hotmail and create 20 accounts to use to blather on this site all day, WOWI’m sumpin, aint I….What’s that?
Yes, momma, I’m all washed up for suppper..Commminnngggg.
Hers an idea? Go fix your OWN country first,then come back and wax poetic to us about OUR countries ills.
Comment by Bill Exley — December 2, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
Juan is from Argentina you racist moron.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:20 pmPeople don’t know the difference between “mistakes” and war crimes and until we hold these criminals ACCOUNTABLE, they will continue these fabricated threats and because attacking and occupying Iraq is FAR, FAR worst than a mistake, it was a WAR CRIME.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:22 pmIf all you’re going to do is dwell on “meeestaaakes”,then you’er saying the Iraq home invasion would of succeeded if we just would have sent the correct size war machine, to kill the correct number of resistance, to ensure a proper occupation. BS.
Let’s not forget how fondly the US remembers the internment camps of WWII. Aren’t we still compensating those Americans of Japanese descent that we locked up for no reason. MA, please keep your revisionist history to yourself.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:24 pmBut I just took a shower…
Comment by unbelievable
LMAO!!! That was too much…
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:24 pmSo, Barry, is Jed Hall your real name, or is he another forgotten politician as well?
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:25 pmWhose political science class are you trying to get brownie points from the teacher cause you can’t pry your thumbs from the Nintendo control? Condi?
Yes, momma, I’m all washed up for suppper..Commminnngggg.
Comment by NOT RUCerious — December 2, 2006 @ 5:20 pm
Did the entire TP staff take the day off?
How is this freak still here?
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:26 pmAn advice:
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:29 pmThanks Juan
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:32 pmCan any of the neocons out there explain to me why, in their opinion, most college professors and other PhD’s not educated at the RAND corporation lean to the left?
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:35 pmSo, Barry, is Jed Hall your real name, or is he another forgotten politician as well?
Whose political science class are you trying to get brownie points from the teacher cause you can’t pry your thumbs from the Nintendo control? Condi?
Comment by Raven — December 2, 2006 @ 5:25 pm
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:37 pmYou think I am that stupid as to give you my real name?
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:38 pmSorry, but why do You have to spoil my TP experience by
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:44 pmshowing a picture of that utmost disgusting person that has her head way to far up in clown-in-command’s rectum?
note to think progress…
my research shows that the troll is none other than the IRI piece of shit that you banned several months ago… whatever you did then, i would suggest you do again…
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:45 pmWriting developed in the Fertile Crescent(Mesopotamia) about 7000 BC. Actually, the recording method was via knots on pieces of string and was primarily directed towards commerce. Clay tablets were developed shortly later, using Cuneiforms. The Egyptians developed hieroglyphics at about 4500 BC and this development was the basis for beginning the Old Testament which dates back to about 4000 BC in its origins as well as is the alphabet. This is the fundamental reason that the religious fanatics insist that the Universe was assembled starting about 6000 years ago. There was no existing prior record once the heathens in Persia, Mesopotamia and the fossil record were thrown into the ashheap of history.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:46 pmLooks to me like the “it girl” has realized that she isnothing more than a shill–and has gone in way over her head and failed to accomplish not a damn thing in her tenure in teh Bush administration but be the token black woman–so she resorts to sitting with diplomats with her skirt pulled so far up her thighs so that she will be noticed for at least something. She has behaved in every event, smiling and waving as she exits the plane as if she were an ingenue and going to her first prom, all dressed up. She thinks flirtation will get her something–and it does on photos, but behind her back, all are laughing at this middle aged woman, sitting with her skirt up her thighs almost revealing her crotch. Way to go Condi and now, realizing you are a good for nothing and have not accomplished a damn thing, are looking forward to ditching this and going back to some university that “respects” you and writing a damn book about the failures–two years later. Thanks a lot, Ms. do nothing. Whoever gave you that Phudd should be ashamed to admit it.
Go write your book-hope you make a lot of money which you can use for good causes , like helping out your family–do you have a family anyhow? Your good cause is promote yourself and sell yourself by lying and lying and lying.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:48 pmGood riddance to you in two years, you are useless.
Boy, I go away for a few hours to watch the Army-Navy game and I see that people are so fascinated by me that I am discussed even when I am nothere…I am honored! (By the way, Navy won)…Hey Juan…While I don’t know that Columbus was a “hero.” He certainly was an accomplished and most famous of navigators and explorers and certainly a man who helped change the world…I am amused that Unbelievable is still trying to peddle the silly and discredited revisionism that mischaracterizes Columbus as a villain.
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:54 pm“none of my students had any idea that Christopher Columbus was anything other than a “heroâ€.” Comment by -*-*-*
*********And you wonder why so many teachers are held in such low esteem and lousy pay?? Look in the mirror. Your smug condemnation of 15th Century events utilizing 21st Century “morality” is tantamount to infecting your students minds. The Left has systematically sought to demonize and denigrate ancestors, heroes, religion, free markets, and our country. (I think people who engage in such behaviour have terribly low esteem.)
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:56 pmexley,
damn! missed the big game!!!
did the half-time show have the synchronized water-boarding team performing, exley? did they drink the blood of iraqi children on the sidelines from plastic gatorade containers?? did they use white phosphorous on the opposing cheerleaders just to watch their flesh burn as they did in fallujan???
December 2nd, 2006 at 5:59 pmI myself make sooo many errors typing that Lora and the rest of the school marms could run out of red ink
Comment by Mightette Hypocrite
We, including myself, all make typos. So when I see a word misspelled once, I am willing to give the person the benefit of the doubt. However, in your case, while claiming to be a “laywerette,” you were consistently misspelling common legal terms like “breach” as “breech,” not to mention several other words -very revealing, I might say.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:00 pmAnd, yes, mistakes are made in all wars. But this entire war has been based on mistakes. In case, you forgot, the US entered World Wars I and II after being attacked. It got involved in Vietnam and Kuwait, because of attacks (VietCong, Iraqi) on those countries. In any case, Ms. Rice is still receiving a salary as a US government official, and there are American still troops imperiled in Iraq. There is simply no excuse for not considering how to recitfy certain mistakes before even more American men and women–not to mention, innocent Iraqi civilians die.
I am amused that Unbelievable is still trying to peddle the silly and discredited revisionism that mischaracterizes Columbus as a villain.
Comment by Exley — December 2, 2006 @ 5:54 pm
Exley, he wrote in his OWN JOURNAL about his own horrific actions of enslaving the natives, and using teenage girls for sex slaves. It was Colombus himself who defined who he was. By an ethical person’s definition - not anywhere near a hero.
But you keep ignoring reality. Makes us look smarter.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:06 pm“MA, please keep your revisionist history to yourself.”
Comment by erock
*******Lucky us - another remedial political scientist and historian has joined us on the playground. Did you wake up this morning and say “I think I will go to TP and show them how much I don’t know.”
Listening to the whining of panty-waists fretting about the loss of civil liberties, I merely reminded them that sometimes in war-time precautions need to be taken to protect ourselves. The egregious internment camps were deemed necessary by President New Deal but it did not stop him from wanting to the best for the country. (Earth to Erock - we are at war…)
FYI - Revisionism in education can be crediuted to that giant in the Education Community, John Dewey. He thought doing away with absolutes would benefit children. Erock is an excellent example of how wrong Dewey was.
So, dear erock, your assignment is write the definition of revisionist 20 times.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:07 pm#96 Don’t worry, Mighty Aphrodite…Not all teachers are like unbelievable, who apparently discredits the profession by teaching fiction as history as a way to advance her political ideology. I have several friends and family members who are American History teachers and they teach actual facts and actual history to their students. They teach that the revisionist fiction peddled by people like unbelievable are nothing more than lies motivated by anti-American and anti-West feelings.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:11 pmAnd you wonder why so many teachers are held in such low esteem and lousy pay??
Strawman.
I’ve never claimed to not have been paid enough. I’ve complained about there not being enough money for the STUDENTS.
Proof that you are unethical for only being able to assume the worst in others.
Look in the mirror. Your smug condemnation of 15th Century events utilizing 21st Century “morality†is tantamount to infecting your students minds.
These are the words of a true madman. And not in the “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenence” sense of the word - but from one who is so far in denial that the pressure of reality causes him to go insane.
The Left has systematically sought to demonize and denigrate ancestors, heroes, religion, free markets, and our country.
You are either delusional to believe that every person in our history is “purely good” or you hold to the fallacious logic that the past must be clung to at any and all costs of the present and the future.
Personally, I think it’s a lot of both… You do believe in a jealous and violent invisible man for which there is zero proof or evidence, after all…
(I think people who engage in such behaviour have terribly low esteem.)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 2, 2006 @ 5:56 pm
So the ten thousand times you’ve demonized Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and JFK, you’re just proving your own terribly low esteem? Thought so.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:12 pmBack at Stanford?! Maybe she can write her memoirs from her cell.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:15 pm“I am a lesbianâ€
Comment by USA Killers — December 2, 2006 @ 6:09 pm
Good for you. Sorry I can’t relate - but good luck with your realization that you are a homosexual.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:18 pmHe certainly was an accomplished and most famous of navigators and explorers and certainly a man who helped change the world…Comment by Exley
First, I didnt mean to be disrespectful to you. I was just giving my opinion about the books you read at school by your opinions on issues like Contras and Ernesto Guevara, for example. Its not that I have a particular interest on you, its just that you seem the perfect example of reaganite propaganda. You were their best student, it seems.
Now, Columbus was looking for other trade paths in order to get to the fabulous, full of riches, Eastern lands described by Marco Polo and other explorers. He didnt want to change the world, he was a sailor wanting to get to that promised land. I have to say that I admire his tenacity; it shouldnt be easy to be drifting in the sea for 3 months with a bunch of convicts. But what he was looking was recognition and to get rich, a plunderer, basically. Furthermore, he was a racist who named the land he stepped foot on first as the spanish queen when that land already had a name and was inhabited by natives. BTW, the day he reached the Caribbean Americas was wednesday.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:22 pmThey teach that the revisionist fiction peddled by people like unbelievable are nothing more than lies motivated by anti-American and anti-West feelings.
Comment by Exley — December 2, 2006 @ 6:11 pm
I have news for you. The students don’t listen to them anyway. They memorize the crap they tell them to pass their tests, and then discard the information because your friends are boring and illogical.
I know this because my students, whom I respect enough to tell the truth, in turn tell me why they hate high school so much. People like your friends who hypocritically disperse rules they themselves do not follow. The students see this and in turn, rebel against these people.
You keep lying to yourselves about what you think you know. But I live it every day. And I know that most students are smart enough to reject your false view of reality. Why most people are registered Democrats…
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:24 pmmotivated by anti-American and anti-West feelings.
Comment by Exley
The therm Anti-American includes peruvians, columbians, brazilians, chileans, and all the other inhabitants of the continent or you think it just refers to your self-centered idea of the universe?
anti-West is like being against that awfully bad movies of John Wayne? Then i´m in.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:27 pm#114, Juan, If you think all of John Wayne’s Western’s were awful, I seriously suggest you rent “The Searchers.” It is widely considered one of the greatest films ever made.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:32 pmthat sometimes in war-time precautions need to be taken to protect ourselves.
Comment by MA
I thought the mission was accomplished.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:32 pmIt is widely considered one of the greatest films ever made.
Comment by Exley
I liked Unforgiven a lot.
“We all deserve it, kid. We all deserve it”
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:36 pmUnfortunate loser of history…Condi…and so many have paid for your incompetence from day one with their blood, here and overseas….
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:40 pmMany John Wayne movies were brilliant, the director was Ford…can’t remember his first name…complex themes, complex moralities
The Searchers is beautiful
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:42 pmUnfortunately for Condi her memiors will have as much relevance as the phone book….it’ll be a list of subjective facts….she’s not capable of meaningful analysis…as Bush41 said early on ’she’s not up to the job’
Her limit of expertise would be as a high school teacher….(nothing against high school teachers)
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:47 pmand yet I somehow find her attractive……sad isn’t it…
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:48 pmSo, dear erock, your assignment is write the definition of revisionist 20 times.
You didnt address my point at all. The United States has always and will always frown on the stripping away of any civil liberties. Fear-mongering never stands up in the face of history.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:50 pm#117 Ah, “Unforgiven.” One of my favorite movies of all time. Good pick, Juan. Just a quick correction…The actual dialogue is:
THE KID: “Yeah, well…I guess he had it coming.”
WILL: “We all have it coming, kid.”
#119, Harry. You’re thinking of John Ford.
December 2nd, 2006 at 6:51 pmTHE KID: “Yeah, well…I guess he had it coming.â€
WILL: “We all have it coming, kid.â€
Comment by Exley
You googled it?? Is there a site for movie quotes?
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:01 pm” thought the mission was accomplished. ” Comment by Juan C
*******Apparently not - we still have goose-stepping Argentinians giving aid and comfort to the enemies of America. They are the same fools that admire Che, Castro, Chavez, and FARC.
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:02 pm#124, Yeah, Juan….You can go to IMDB.com. Has all types of trivia about movies and TV shows, including lines of dialogue. Here are the ‘Memorable Quotes’ from “Unforgiven”
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:07 pmThis has nothing to do with Rice but:
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:11 pmWhether a teacher has the right to explain reasons why Columbus shouldn’t be considered a hero or not is a no brainer. It’s pretty sad people are getting upset over this. In history class, teachers are suppost to give their students BOTH sides and different ways to see history and allow them to come up with their own conclusions- wow. That’s what the textbooks do, and that’s what the history teachers should be doing too.
we still have goose-stepping Argentinians giving aid and comfort to the enemies of America.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Anytime.
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:16 pmArgentina is in America, isnt it?
Heh, I like the way you talk: enemies here, villains there, heroes over there…like a script of a PlayStation game. Very insightful for a lawyer…
Juan C….Here ya go:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0105695/quotes
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:17 pmFor the thinking impaired:
Christopher Columbus, Journal (1492)
“…Your Highnesses, as Catholic Christians and Princes, lovers and promoters of the Holy Christian Faith, and enemies of the false doctrine of Mahomet and of all idolatries and heresies, you thought of sending me, Christobal Colon, to the said regions of India to see the said princes and the peoples and the lands, and the characteristics of the lands and of everything and to see how their conversion to our Holy Faith might be undertaken…. So, after having expelled all the Jews from all of your Kingdoms and Dominions, in the same month of January Your Highnesses commanded me to go, with a suitable fleet, to the said regions of India.”
“Later they came swimming to the ships’ launches where we were and brought us parrots and cotton thread in balls and javelins and many other things, and they traded them to us for other things which we gave them, such as small glass beads and bells. In sum, they took everything and gave of what they had very willingly. But it seemed to me that they were a people very poor in everything. All of them go around as naked as their mothers bore them; and the women also, although I did not see more than one quite young girl. And all those that I saw were young people, for none did I see of more than 30 years of age. They are very well formed, with handsome bodies and good faces. Their hair coarse — almost like the tail of a horse-and short. They wear their hair down over their eyebrows except for a little in the back which they wear long and never cut. Some of them paint themselves with black, and they are of the color of the Canarians, neither black nor white; and some of them paint themselves with white, and some of them with red, and some of them with whatever they find. And some of them paint their faces, and some of them the whole body, and some of them only the eyes, and some of them only the nose. They do not carry arms nor are they acquainted with them, because I showed them swords and they took them by the edge and through ignorance cut themselves. They have no iron.
Their javelins are shafts without iron and some of them have at the end a fish tooth…. All of them alike are of good-sized stature and carry themselves well. I saw some who had marks of wounds on their bodies and I made signs to them asking what they were; and they showed me how people from other islands nearby came there and tried to take them, and how they defended themselves; and I believed and believe that — they come here from tierrafirme to take them captive. They should be good and intelligent servants, for I see that they say very quickly everything that is said to them; and I believe that they would become Christians very easily, for it seemed to me that they had no religion. Our Lord pleasing, at the time of my departure I will take six of them from here to Your Highnesses in order that they may learn to speak…”
http://www.swarthmore.edu/ SocSci/ bdorsey1/ 41docs/ 01-col.html
(Yes, this is the sign of of a true philanthropist - always considering how he might help others)
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:17 pmLora,
I am MA`s secretary.
Let me guess. You are a lesbian and you are teaching our children through subliminal messaging that it is okay right?
freak
Comment by MA`s Secretary —
Secretariette,
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:21 pmYou guess wrong. First of all, are you mixing me up with unbelievable? I am not a school teacher (she is), nor I am a lesbian. (I am legally married to a man.) For that matter, I doubt that unbelievable is a lesbian, but I would have no problem with it if she is.
And let me guess: you are a homophobic neo-con, who loves to conclude that everyone who disagrees with you is either gay or pro-Al Qaeda. A real jerk, in any case.
By the way, I found the Columbus journal entries from several COLLEGE course syllabi.
Should have known you uneducated neocons would be ignorant from a lack of exposure in either higher education or contact with reality (which has a liberal bias).
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:23 pmThanks, Ex. :)
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:30 pmWonderful.
More on your ‘hero’ the destroyer:
“The year 1492 is presented as a great year for America, for it is the year in which Christopher Columbus crossed the Atlantic. According to many American writers, Columbus is a hero. He “discovered America,” he “opened up the New World,” and he is “one of the greatest men in history.” This, however, is more myth than reality. According to the facts, Columbus brought misery and atrocity to the Native Americans; and used the knowledge of Muslim scholars to try and destroy the trade of Muslim merchants.”
“The myth of Columbus in America claims that Columbus was the person who brought civilization to the natives. The facts are quite the opposite. One of the greatest evils done to the natives of the Americas is the name they are called by. ”
“Even though Columbus was supposedly on a “Christian” mission, his behavior toward the people he met was nothing to be admired. Columbus perceived the native Americans as inferior beings, and he refers to them in degrading terms in his writings.”
“Not only is he outraged, he imposes upon them the most atrocious of punishments (which were common in Christian Spain): “As on that voyage I made to Cibao, when it happened that some Indian stole something or other, if you discover that some among them steal: you must punish them by cutting off nose and ears, for those are the parts of the body which cannot be concealed” (April 9, 1494).
“Rather than bringing peace, freedom and knowledge to the natives, Columbus brought slavery, war and destruction. This is clear even in Columbus’ own attitudes. In one passage he states: “They would make good and industrious servants” (Oct. 11, 1492) And in another: “They are fit to be ruled.” (Dec. 16, 1492) Columbus wanted ships from Europe to bring over cattle, and on the way back they would be filled with slaves: “The conveyors could be paid in cannibal slaves, Fierce but well-made fellows of good understanding, which men wrested from their inhumanity, will be, we believe, the best slaves that ever were.” (Jan. 30, 1494) Amazingly, Columbus is claiming to bring humanity to these people, and at the same time he makes them into slaves!”
http://www.geocities.com/ mutmainaa/ history/ columbus2.html
Enough referenced reality for you neocons yet?
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:33 pmWe should not discount Christopher Columbus’ daring voyages and many accomplishments. At the same time, however, we should be truthful about what he actually did and what he really stood far. Columbus was a colonizer, a bigot, and a thief on the grandest scale. he forcefully took the local inhabitant’s land, he treated the natives as if they were animals, and he enslaved the natives for his and other’s profit. Columbus stood for the medieval values of Europe: Expansion, conquest, nationalism, and the forceful conversion to Christianity, As responsible citizens we must demand that the truth be told in our children’s schools, and that we recognize Christopher Columbus for who he really was.
http://www.geocities.com/ mutmainaa/ history/ columbus2.html
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:35 pm“Says the liar who claims ARMY service. Give it up… your desperation is transparent”
I have NEVER claimed to serve in the US Army. I resigned my commission as a LtCdr (USN) ** NOTE “N” stands for N-A-V-Y.** Mr. Aphrodite is a retired USMC Colonel - and apparently some sexually transmitted disease is eating away your remaining brain cells. You poor dear! I shall go back to ignoring the no-name you are…..pfttt…pftttt….ppffffttt
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:39 pmAnd *-*_*- demonstrates no knowledge of “replacement theology” which sprung up in approx 300 AD and was prevalent among different Christian religions until the early 20th century. Replacement theology allowed for the persecution of European Jewry based on the the false theory tha Christians replaced the Jews as the Chosen People. Poor little thing….such an intellectual wallflower…..
pffft…..
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:48 pmExley - To quote a leftard college prof whose angst about colonization is evident in a simple reading of the syllabus shows great intellectual energy…(I was being charitable…)
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:53 pm“Enough references for you neo-cons?” asks the school marm who quotes opinions reflecting the school marm’s identical flaw: Viewing history through a contemporary lens…..
When you’re ready to apologize for your mistake about my military service, of course, just let me know…..
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:56 pmwe still have goose-stepping Argentinians giving aid and comfort to the enemies of America. They are the same fools that admire Che, Castro, Chavez, and FARC. — flighty aphid
Such a moronic thing to say — let’s see some documentation on these allegations. You know, I could say that the reverse was true (or very nearly so), and I could back it up. So, let’s see what you got…huh??? You know…put up or shutup.
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:56 pmExley, as far as most of the John Wayne movies go, they were nearly as bad as Gunsmoke in “documenting” the existence of an American history that never was. You can go on and on about the cinematic values and the greatness of John Ford, but it was the propaganda value that distinguished this genre more than any other. It is trash like this that leads most illiterate Americans to long for the better days, when in fact, the old days were just as bad as today, maybe worse.
December 2nd, 2006 at 7:58 pm#134….No problem, Juan…Enjoy. Have a good weekend.
#136 Unbelievable….You wrote: “We should not discount Christopher Columbus’ daring voyages and many accomplishments. At the same time, however, we should be truthful about what he actually did … ” I agree…That’s why I specifically said in #95 that while I would not call Columbus a “hero” he was “an accomplished and most famous of navigators and explorers and certainly a man who helped change the world.”
Good night all…
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:01 pmI have NEVER claimed to serve in the US Army.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 2, 2006 @ 7:39 pm
Yes you have. You resigned because they found out that you are gay? Was it the woman’s underwear?
Your insults are really pathetic. If that’s the best you can do - you should go back to ‘ignoring’ me to keep from embarrassing yourself further… Yes, you’re so good at ignoring me… Do that some more LOL.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:04 pmPoor little thing….such an intellectual wallflower…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 2, 2006 @ 7:48 pm
More projection. It’s all self-absorbed asses like yourself are capable of… so telling.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:05 pm“Enough references for you neo-cons?†asks the school marm who quotes opinions reflecting the school marm’s identical flaw: Viewing history through a contemporary lens…..
You are a serious dipshit. I posted Columbus’s jounal entries. Those were his own words.
Tears you up that I’m right… It’s obvious because you make such general and sweeping statements despite claiming to hate them.
Why aren’t you spending the evening with your family? Hmm? Cause they are fictious… No doubt.
When you’re ready to apologize for your mistake about my military service, of course, just let me know…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 2, 2006 @ 7:56 pm
I will right after you apologizing for being a lying moron.
Well, unlike you, I have friends to go spend time with now - so enjoy your pathetic Saturday evening being an annoying littel troll who no one likes.
Have a nice evening everyone!
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:09 pmUnbelievable….You wrote: “We should not discount Christopher Columbus’ daring voyages and many accomplishments. At the same time, however, we should be truthful about what he actually did … †I agree…
Comment by Exley — December 2, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
I didn’t write that (why there was a link)
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:10 pmDear Stonehinge - Ask Juan just WHERE a huge number of Nazi’s were granted asylum; Argentina, Paraguay and various countries in South America. Juan peron was quite an admirer of Hitler and the Nazi regime….You poor thing - I’m sensing a public school product…..
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:11 pmJuan, just today I found the most lucid exposition on the the CFR that I have ever seen…and wait for it…it was written by an Argentinan. And what’s more, it’s pertinent to this topic in that the Bush team really hasn’t made all that many mistakes — this nightmare was deliberate from the start. Anyway, here’s the link if you are interested.
Some passages to wet your appetite:
To better understand the true nature of the United States – especially in what refers to US Foreign Policy – one does well to keep in mind that the US “Administration†as they so aptly call their Government - i.e., Formal Power - is based in Washington DC. However, Real Power structures in the US are mainly located in New York City and some New England states. In other words, the Administration of the United States is done from Washington DC, whilst the country is actually governed from New York City.
[snip]
In order for this gigantic mass psychological warfare – for that is what it really is - to succeed, the mass media play a vital role which cannot be underestimated. For they are the instruments whose goal it is to undermine and neutralise the capacity of independent thought among the world’s population. That is the key role of global mass media like CNN, CBS, NBC, The New York Times, The Daily Telegraph, Le Figaró, FoxNews, The Economist, The Wall Street Journal, Corrieri della Sera, Le Monde, Washington Post, Time, Newsweek, US News & World Report, Business Week, Reuters, and their respective local outlets in all countries, all of which are directed by key people belonging to the CFR and/or its sister organizations in the US and elsewhere.
At the end of this piece, he discusses how the people can start to neutralize these pernicious forces which have dominated world affairs for eighty years. And since it it abundantly clear that the CFR no longer benefits anyone, not even the 4500 people who are members, these same ideas are equally pertinent for the progressive movement in the USA.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:22 pmmighty,
There were NAZI sympathisers in many countries, including the USA. When George’s grandad Prescott was banker to the NAZI’s I don’t know that he was actually a sympathiser to anything but making money. Just setting the family traditon perhaps.
Where was Wernher von Braun given asylum?
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:30 pmI’m calling fetid bullsh*t, aphid — the emigration of nazis to Argentina does not make it a “goose-stepping” nation “giving aid and comfort to the enemies of America” — you get an F. Improvisation doesn’t work if you haven’t mastered the elements. So — it still stands — put up or shut up.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:31 pmAn Agentinian is a cross between a Mexican and a Columbian/Peruvian
It just don`t get any lower folks.
Comment by LeaveUSA Now Commies — December 2, 2006 @ 7:54 pm
Oh yes it gets far far lower. Trashy racists like LeaveUSA for example.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:38 pmDear Stonehinge - Ask Juan just WHERE a huge number of Nazi’s were granted asylum;
America.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:51 pmComment by LeaveUSA Now Commies
Still posting from the LAX men’s room?
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:54 pmLOL, MA’s secretary…I think you mean gay lover.
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:56 pmcome on, aphid — we’re waitin’ fer ya — show us whatcha got
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:59 pmLeaveUSAnowCommies,