Climate Change Will Empty America’s Breadbasket
Climate Change Will Empty America’s Breadbasket
Last summer, National Review editor James Robbins touted the “benefits” of climate change:
Consider the large landmasses in the northern hemisphere, say north of 55 degrees. These are very extreme climates for human habitation. A population distribution map of Canada shows most people live in a belt running along the southern border with the United States. But add global warming and vast regions would become comfortably habitable. As well, there would be more land available for cultivation.
Yesterday, the BBC published a graphic showing the impact that climate change will have on crop production. The graphic shows the areas in which wheat grows now (yellow) compared to where it will grow in 2050 (blue). It demonstrates the devastating effect climate change would have on America’s wheat crop:
“True, there might be some dislocations as crops shifted northward, but so what?” Robbins asked. “Economies change all the time.” Tell that to every wheat farmer in the United States.
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America needs to be on a low-carb diet anyway.
December 4th, 2006 at 3:36 pmSo in 43 years, Canada will become the bread basket of the world, while the former United States of America (or what’s left of it) will devolve into a wasteland!
December 4th, 2006 at 3:39 pmAmerica needs to not just eat carbs, meat, and dairy.
That’s the problem.
Eat some fruit and veggies you fat f-cks.
National Review sucks
December 4th, 2006 at 3:41 pmSo global warming’s not happening… unless it is, in which case it’ll be great for everyone!
The liars have been eating their words on Iraq after ignoring the left’s opinions and predictions for years. It’s a shame that they will spew this nonsense until it’s too late. Then they’ll blame the American public. Even then, they’ll still say it’s not happening (see “civil war” in Iraq).
Empiricism be damned!
December 4th, 2006 at 3:45 pmwhile the former United States of America (or what’s left of it) will devolve into a wasteland!
Comment by Goebbels
I’ll be traveling the wasteland of the Forbidden Zone searching for bowling alleys and beer all the while evading the fleshy-headed mutants.
December 4th, 2006 at 3:45 pmWell, look on the bright side. The upcoming food shortages will go a long way towards curing America’s obesity problem.
December 4th, 2006 at 3:48 pmI hear bamboo shoots are yummy, and it grows fast!
December 4th, 2006 at 3:51 pmLooking at that graphic I wonder how much of the area in Canada shaded in blue could actually be under water due to rising sea levels.
I want to see about either joining or forming a relatively local committee dedicated to the topics of global warming reduction and alternative energy applications as applicable to my area. I see this as the hot topic, no pun intended, for the global community right along side that of not killing each other.
Anyone have any thoughts or suggestions as to how to find or start such a body?
December 4th, 2006 at 3:51 pmDesertification has already begun in the southern plains states. Drier climates are leading to lower crop yields and we have been having persistant droughts.
Bush and his corporate buddies can ignore it if they want, but their businesses will fail when there is no more food.
We can’t wait two more years for this insane man to leave the White House. He must be removed now.
December 4th, 2006 at 3:52 pmWe’ll can just say that we believe Canada is intending to use WMDs on America and invade
December 4th, 2006 at 3:54 pmThe sad part is that none of this is news to those of us who already admitted Global Warming was real… you know.. just the other day…. in 1980.
Imagine us having to buy our food from Canada. I bet that’ll cock up NAFTA.
Also, when the farmers of America learn that we could have done something about this and didn’t…… almost all of them know how to shoot. Lead poisoning makes reelection a b*tch.
December 4th, 2006 at 3:54 pmThe GOP leadership knows that this is a real threat, the Pentagon issued a report years ago that outlined the planning for global war to secure resources as the oceans rise.
The only conclusion is that the GOP is knowingly working to destroy the Earth as rapidly as possible.
And for those sceptics that say this can’t be true, what do you think is behind the mindset of those ‘I am spending my children’s inheretence’ stickers you see on the back of gas-guzzling land yachts?
December 4th, 2006 at 3:55 pmThe GOP leadership knows that this is a real threat, the Pentagon issued a report years ago that outlined the planning for global war to secure resources as the oceans rise.
The only conclusion is that the GOP is knowingly working to destroy the Earth as rapidly as possible.
And for those sceptics that say this can’t be true, what do you think is behind the mindset of those ‘I am spending my children’s inheretence’ stickers you see on the back of gas-guzzling land yachts?
Comment by Robin Grant — December 4, 2006 @ 3:55 pm
We can’t even secure oil from one pissant 3rd world country. If anything we’ll lose MORE resources through economic blunders while we TRY to fix things at the last minute, several decades too late. If we start a fight to try to get what we lose, we’re liable to end up some other country’s b*tch. Global war my left nut.
December 4th, 2006 at 4:03 pmThis would completely kill this area, as well as other countries. All the wheat grown here is exported, mostly to Europe.
Obviously Robbins has never been hungry a day in his life, or had to dig change out of the sofa for milk.
December 4th, 2006 at 4:22 pmIf we start a fight to try to get what we lose, we’re liable to end up some other country’s b*tch. Global war my left nut.
Comment by Swordsbane — December 4, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
Yes. I’ve often wondered how Americans feel/would feel about becoming the world’s first privatized consumer force beholden to China.
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Dub wants to do away with borders anyway. eh?
December 4th, 2006 at 4:38 pmAlaskan wheat fields, eh?
December 4th, 2006 at 4:39 pmMaybe that will offset the damage done to the fishing waters W is opening.
I live just 150 mi. South of the Canadien border. We’ve been having a drought for 3-5 years now, depending on where you live in this region.
Even the old timers can’t remember it being this dry.
The sad fact is, the Bush administration won’t allow any drought relief funds, let alone disaster aid.
Compassionate Conservatism at it’s finest.
Now that we’ve seen tornadoes in December, does anyone doubt global warming? We’re redlining, America. It’s just a matter of time until we see weather phenomona that will make history.
Maybe the Dems can make some inroads in the next 2 years; we’ll see.
With the EPA claiming ignorance & disattachment from reality, who knows?
As far as the bumper sticker on inheritance, how’s this…
‘I’m enjoying the good weather now, so my kids can have firestorms, floods & drought year around’.
Ice sheets from the Pleistocene ice age are responsible for the evolution of one of the largest areas of productive soils ever known, called the ‘breadbasket’. However, this amazing soil came at the expense of central Canada which was left impovershed of soil by those same glaciers.
Canada might become more suitable for habitation, but it’s soil will still be crappy. You can’t grow crops where the soil and rock has all been scraped away.
December 4th, 2006 at 4:39 pmWho cares? We can eat oil, right?
December 4th, 2006 at 4:49 pmwithout reading the preceeding comments, this may have been said…
December 4th, 2006 at 4:57 pmbut it looks like the blue area could be mostly underwater at some later time… then what?
What’s the story again? “Hastert eats America’s entire bread basket to express his greif in losing his majority leader spot”.
December 4th, 2006 at 4:59 pmKaty, we will have to go to rice patties instead of wheat. Probably better for us anyway.
December 4th, 2006 at 4:59 pmIts only the RED states anyway. (sarcasim)
December 4th, 2006 at 5:00 pm(Climate change is and will affect everyone regardless)
Hey Juan C
December 4th, 2006 at 5:02 pmStill maturbating…
If they’re predicting this by 2050 and they’re even close to right, then the damage is done. Even if we turned around tomorrow (and it looks like legislation is going to lag the science by at least a decade) then we’re looking at it getting a LOT worse before it gets better (if it does)
December 4th, 2006 at 5:07 pmHey Flaco,
Still wishing you could get some? Coming here and talking about the women with your sexual overtones.
December 4th, 2006 at 5:08 pmI live in Georgia where the planting season has started about two weeks earlier due to Global Warming. Sound good? Well, if the scorching heat didn’t fry everything by mid-June, perhaps it would seem like a benefit. But instead of our normal five month growing season - now, due to the intense heat and the associated drought, we have about six viable weeks in Spring and about six in the fall. That means less food.
December 4th, 2006 at 5:26 pmFurther proof of the ongoing desertification of thought at National Review.
December 4th, 2006 at 5:26 pmI know this is about wheat, but think about other planted crops. For instance - California produces half of the rice consumed in China. China has one billion people…
December 4th, 2006 at 5:28 pmSure, Canada will be warmer. And the rest of the land south? Well hope we can find nutritional value in sage brush.
December 4th, 2006 at 5:47 pmSolution: annexation. Both sides win. The Canadians get a real currency, Quebec becomes an independent state; the US gets a new breadbasket and 1 less border to worry about. Best of all, the new states are blue just like on the map.
December 4th, 2006 at 6:21 pmThis is a spoof, right?
I mean, you’re not REALLY complaining that the “devastating effects” of Global Warming, er, I mean Climate Change (yeah, that’s the PC term, since the oceans are now said to be cooling) … as I was saying .. the worldwide, planetary, Al Gore, Doomsday effects of CLIMATE CHANGE are going to be that the American Farmers are going to be out of pocket ??
Please, put me out my misery … this is a JOKE, yeah?
December 4th, 2006 at 6:37 pmThis guy, Robbins, is an idiot. The one paragraph below in his article especially caught my attention. He obviously has NO understanding of the importance of biodiversity, or even the foggiest idea of how ecosystems are interrelated. Of course, the most offensive “idea” that comes through is that as long as the human species, with our infinite adaptability, survives, who cares about any other specifies on the planet?
“Granted, there will be some negative impacts in marginal areas. Some rare plant and animal species, hyper-adapted to highly specific climate conditions or micobiotic zones, are already unable to cope with the change. Many may go extinct; some already have. That’s tough, but chalk it up to bad evolutionary choices. When those rigidly specialist species bet everything on a small part of the world in hopes it would never change, they made a very bad bargain. For our part, we have air conditioners, lightweight fabrics, and sunscreen. Why infinitely adaptable humanity has to pay the price for the evolutionary shortsightedness of other life forms is beyond me.”
December 4th, 2006 at 6:41 pmThe fools who invested in Gulf Coast sand bar real estate will be out of pocket, too, along with the Kennebunkport aristocracy…
December 4th, 2006 at 6:47 pmMe, I’m opening up a bed and breakfast here on the Rio Grande coast, there’ll be some great salt flat fishing for bones and snook, with lots of safe anchorages for the yachts up here in the canyons! Act now! Don’t delay! Get your prime retirement villa right here in Prickley Pear Shores!
Please, put me out my misery …
Comment by Geraint Roberts — December 4, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
name your poison - we’ll see what can be done about that…
December 4th, 2006 at 6:52 pmRobbins and the National Review are the epitome of the Braindead Media. Why should the rest of American give them any credence?
December 4th, 2006 at 7:29 pm2050 — Uh, that’s about the year they will be writing GW’s legacy according to one of the quotations below.
December 4th, 2006 at 7:36 pmPlease, put me out my misery … this is a JOKE, yeah?
Comment by Geraint Roberts
I don’t own a gun, so I’ll have to insert the bullet to your head manually. Brace yourself, this is gonna hurt…
Buh bye…
December 4th, 2006 at 7:39 pmand can you foresee the effects of this?
People around the globe will be suffering from extremely low food security.
And I am being deadly serious here, folks.
December 4th, 2006 at 7:46 pmThings change, life goes on. This will enable Canadian wheat farmers to produce bumper crops, and sell it to the U.S. at a low price, greatly benefiting U.S. consumers who’ll find cheap, plentiful bread and other products.
Plus, the yellow area in the graphic above will no longer have -10F driving ice storms. In fact, they’ll turn into a tropical paradise which can be settled by our growing population (which should be at least 500 million by then, just as long as Congress passes immigration reform).
And, we’ll be able to build winter homes in those areas… for Canadian wheat farmers.
Join with me in welcoming Global Warming and all its benefits.
December 4th, 2006 at 7:51 pmDespite the assertions of global-warming fearmongers, the science is not settled. There have been times in earth’s history when carbon dioxide levels were higher than they are now and times when the earth was warmer. The assumption that man’s contribution is significant and the cause of imminent planetary doom assumes facts not in evidence.
Temperatures were rising before 1940, most likely due to the warming that has been going on since the Little Ice Age. There was cooling till 1975, when major news magazines screamed about global cooling and the onset of a real ice age.
December 4th, 2006 at 7:54 pmEven if the U.S. cannot grow wheat, as long as there is water available, other warmer weather crops, such as soybeans (and other beans), will replace them. That deserves being said.
December 4th, 2006 at 8:22 pm“The assumption that man’s contribution is significant”
That is no longer an ‘assumption.’
“the cause of imminent planetary doom assumes facts not in evidence.”
You’re lying, as usual. The doom will not strike the planet so much as the economies of all coastal areas, fishing, agriculture, and intensify the effects of deforestation, loss of species, and massive disruption to animal migration.
YOU are the lie that is in evidence. Which oil company do you work for?
December 4th, 2006 at 8:25 pmMuckdog - I see assertions. Show your work please…
There have been times in earth’s history when carbon dioxide levels were higher than they are now and times when the earth was warmer.
I suppose it could have been worse, you could have invoked the Flying Spaghetti Monster to explain it all…but now you just have to find some peer-reviewed evidence….(and not some flat earther at the Discovery Institute signing his neighbors paper). Over to you…
December 4th, 2006 at 8:46 pmNope. Totally honest. I’m not as easily duped as you, Paul in LA. You’re caught up in crowd hysteria. You don’t recognize it, because global warming is a religion to you at this point. You’ve bought in, hook line and sinker. Can’t you feel Al Gore giving the fishin’ line a tug?
December 4th, 2006 at 8:47 pmFrom Wikipedia:
Global warming is the observed increase in the average temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere and oceans in recent decades…The current scientific consensus is that “most of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been attributable to human activities”
Religion is a system of social coherence based on a common group of beliefs or attitudes concerning an object, person, unseen being, or system of thought considered to be supernatural, sacred, divine or highest truth, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions, traditions, and rituals associated with such belief or system of thought
Scientific Theory: In science, a theory is a proposed description, explanation, or model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation.
Over to you Muckdog, which is ‘global warming’ - theory or religion? Take your time, I have to take a dump…
December 4th, 2006 at 8:57 pmSince you’re in the global warming cult, I don’t know if this FAQ will help you, Terry. It may be too late for you. Here it is. Good luck getting over your cult addiction.
December 4th, 2006 at 8:58 pmGlobal warming is happening.
The cataclysmic hysteria is new. It’s the religion you’re following. Why not grab a “The End is Near” sign and head to the street corner, Terry?
December 4th, 2006 at 9:00 pmhow did you graduate high school? copying the papers of your smarter peers?
offering to kill someone is not a very ethical thing. perhaps you should judge your own immoral behaviour before you go around judging everyone else. especially people with less dirt on their hands than you.
December 4th, 2006 at 9:03 pmI feel like I’m the one to break the news to you that there is no Santa Claus… but This “global warming” thing… what Watt is what?
December 4th, 2006 at 9:08 pmMuckdog, you think I am the cultist? And you link to Stephen Milloy’s Junkscience page? I have done nothing but ask you to show your work and have taken no position. So cut out the ad hominems if you would. Oh and sorry, Milloy is not a respected climate scientist, he is an energy and tobacco lobbyist. He does have a rather spotty reputation for ethics… oh dear… http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Steven_Milloy#False_biographical_claims
Tell you what, I’ll give you another chance… remember, find me peer-reviewed scientific evidence, please look any of these words if it will help. And please try not to use the words Al Gore in your response - no need to drag him into this.
December 4th, 2006 at 9:13 pm#49 Why are you stalking katy? Let me give you a little hint. Once you get past the second grade pulling girls hair is not a good way to get their attention (until you get them in bed).
December 4th, 2006 at 9:31 pmYou can’t grow jack in Canada even if the climate was more hospitable. Most of the soil up there is SHITE.
Canada has most of the world’s fresh water supply though… Who knows, the U.S. might invade Canada for it’s water one day, seeing as how the aquifers in the breadbasket that took hundreds of thousands of years to fill are being sucked dry at a record pace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogallala_Aquifer
December 4th, 2006 at 9:36 pmOh yes, I’ve already read “State of Fear”. Not Michael Crichton’s best work and probably the last Crichton I read (Timeline was crap too). If I want science I get from reading Harry Potter now /sarcasm off.
December 4th, 2006 at 9:38 pmNo good johnetc - the hosers are using all their aquifers (and their natural gas) to make steam to melt the tar sands to make crap heavy oil to ship to the US so everyone can do laps around the freeway in their Hummers stopping off for burgers and fries every meal time.
The tar sands are not a viable energy option at this price… For every barrel of synthetic oil produced in Alberta, 80 kg of greenhouse gases are released into the atmosphere. About 5-10% of the two to four barrels of water used for processing is considered as wastewater
December 4th, 2006 at 9:43 pmAs others have mentioned already, the soil is thin, most of the nutrients are held in the canopy (if it exists) and scratch a few inched under the soil, you get granite and quartz, the Cambrian shield.
I remember when that editorial came out a while ago, it is as stupid now as it was then.
December 4th, 2006 at 10:08 pmkelso sez:
This is the subtle fact that is not widely recognized. There was only one “sweetspot” where this western “civilization” could develop. Sadly, instead of recognizing this reality, a peculiar arrogance has built up around the natural defenses of the American landmass and the remarkable fertility of the soils. Those gifted with hereditary wealth, and that includes all Americans to some extent, never seem able to acknowledge the natural infrastructural advantages which underly their success. They always want to claim that it was all due to their hard-work and ingenuity. How ridiculous. But now, when those resources are clearly being threatened, we are hearing a new spin-up questioning whether the source of the warming is man-made. How asinine to hide behind such a strawman when we have no choice but to think about the preservation of those resources.
So many self-important assholes….
December 4th, 2006 at 10:15 pmThanks for this - I knew that the range of corn is supposed to also shift northward but I wasn’t aware of a comprehensive study done for wheat.
It irritates me that the idea continues to persist in the media that scientists are in “rigorous debate” over whether or not global warming is occurring and that there’s doubt over it’s causes. As I understand it, most of the “debate” now surrounds just how bad it’s going to be. I think that we should focus more of our efforts on what we’re going to do about it rather than continue to see doubt cast on the issue. It’s going to be an interesting climate ride from here on out.
Even if you don’t “believe” in global warming, how does doing things that will benefit the environment stand to hurt you? Cleaner air, cleaner water, more sustainable living? Developing an alternative energy project that resembles the Apollo program which could create countless jobs? Or am I just missing a huge downside to living more within our means?
#8, I like your idea - perhaps the Internet is the best way to start to organize such a group?
December 4th, 2006 at 10:19 pmSpits - great minds think alike - here is your group. http://www.apolloalliance.org
December 4th, 2006 at 10:22 pmTerry - thank you for that link - that’s fantastic! I’m glad to see such a group exists that is focused on this issue!
December 4th, 2006 at 10:32 pmFortunately nobody here in the US, India, or China is serious about the global warming hysteria.
So, whatever.
December 4th, 2006 at 11:23 pmCongratulations, muckdog, your guys win.
December 4th, 2006 at 11:49 pmMuckdog, you came back - how did that search go? I’m still waiting.
So global warming - religion or science?
And some peer reveiwed science justifying your position (remember no Stephen Milloy or Michael Crichton, and I promise not to quote Al Gore or J.K. Rowling).
I am curious about your position on this though:
That seems like another assertion you might like to try and justify for us. In the case of the US it would certainly change my mind if you could find something concrete to back up your statements because everything I’ve read suggests that people are paying attention - these people for example http://www.apolloalliance.org
Is there something wrong with using carefully formed arguments backed up with valid references?
Or is this your argument?
So, whatever.
Seems a bit lightweight to me … best of luck, I’ll be off having a dump again - it’s a bit more satisfying than the ‘cut and thurst’ of this debate.
December 4th, 2006 at 11:51 pmI am guessing muck doesn’t have grandkids, much less kids. If he did he might worry about them killing him in his sleep.
December 4th, 2006 at 11:57 pmOne can only put one’s trust in Darwin and his yearly award for the worst offenders.. it would be churlish to wish that on anyone specifically.
Not much of an epitaph, though:
December 5th, 2006 at 12:03 amWell, TtT, wishing and expecting are two different things.
December 5th, 2006 at 12:15 amNasty troll on the other thread… hell I don’t even remember what the thread was about - but I had a hunch we had a homophobe on our hands. I wonder what else besides racism…nah, my curiosity is satisfied about old Mikey
December 5th, 2006 at 12:29 am57 and 19 both cite the soil being too crappy. True. Worse, as I read somewhere it takes a thousand years for newly uncovered soil to become arable.
Robbins and BCC do not know whereof they speaketh..
December 5th, 2006 at 1:13 amHey Peyson
Is your first name Marvin?
My neighborhood had a Marvin in it growing up, just curious.
If so,small world.
December 5th, 2006 at 1:43 amAlaska’s melting -
December 5th, 2006 at 1:51 amHope your Yukon Denali
Doubles as a boat.
http://www.honku.org/
December 5th, 2006 at 1:51 amThe word homophobia was used from 1920 to mean “fear of men, or aversion towards the male sex” (Oxford English Dictionary).
December 5th, 2006 at 2:16 amActually it’s only the Canadian shield that has poor soil, southern Ontario has great soil, and the prairies have decent soil. (the Canadian shield is the part with all the lakes).
Not to downplay the horror of Global Warming or anything, because I highly doubt that the climate would be suitable for anything at all. Alberta is already experiencing droughts…
December 5th, 2006 at 2:56 amStill peddling that myth ….
Meanwhile, the science channel has shown strong correlation between sunspot activity and dramatic climate change. When sunspots were not present, north america endured a mini-ice age, and now that sunspot activity is high, the climate is warmer.
If you would just approach this issue as a pollution problem, and actually offer viable alternatives to coal and oil, then people would listen, but until you do, you achieve nothing.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:52 amMUCKDOG is a complete moron…
nice website you sent us to…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy
“Steven Milloy is the “Junk Science” commentator for FoxNews.com and runs the website Junkscience.com, which is dedicated to debunking what he alleges to be false claims regarding global warming, DDT, passive smoking and ozone depletion, among other topics.[1] Milloy also runs CSRWatch.com, which is focused on attacking the corporate social responsibility movement. ”
So you send us to the website of some corporate tool and this proves what? I’m sorry but the whole “people are making money off false global warming allegations but we, here at EXxxon and FOx news are bringing you the truth purely out of the goodness of our hearts…” is total BS…
its like all these partisan hacks like O-reily talking about democracts like Webb being rude and uncivil.. this from the Swiftboat/Purple Heart Band Aid crowd who took political visciousness to a new and unprecented level…claiming to support the troops then visciously attacking the military record of any veteran who opposes them… I think it was some quote from Hitler or one of his boys… “what you do, accuse your opponent of doing” or something like that.. you right wing shrubs follow that idea to a T….
I dont pretend to know enough about the science to have an opinion one way or another.. I just know that the whole.. “lets base our marketing strategy on appealing to hipppies to make money” is about as retarded as can be… seems to me that the corporate tools have alot more money to make off polluting than people do fighting pollution… as I said before, Gore could have made alot more money writing a book about the time he walked in on bill clinton in the white house showers…. I’ve got alot more Exxon in my portfolio than I do Al Gore Inc, and theres a reason…
December 5th, 2006 at 9:23 amoh I’m sorry.. lets keep reading the Wikipedia entry for Junk Science.com:
some highlights seen by scrolling down: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Milloy
“cigarette smoke ISNT BAD FOR YOU…anyone who says so must be getting blackmailed with bestiality pics” (I’m serious folks you cant make this shit up)
AND
this one is better… 3 days after the towers fell we get his expert opinion… ASBESTOS COULD HAVE SAVED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!!!
let me say it again muckdawg.. you are a total and complete douchebag for citing this site and thinking it proves anything but the fact that theres lunatics so hungry for a profit margin that they would make cars than ran on baby’s blood if they could up their profit margins 1 percent.
honestly, we’d still have children going up like torches in flammable pajamas if toxic cunts like you and your ilk had your way.
if theres any justice you, Milloy the Alloy Ally and the rest of the twisted, mentally diseased sociopaths will be reincarnated as some of the ubermensch you get a woody dreaming of experimenting on….
December 5th, 2006 at 9:38 amHey Ivy League - how’s finding the Zionist plot to start WW1 coming along? Please tell me you didn’t major in history Ivy. I know its not climate science either - not like Michael Crichton. Oh he’s a doctor - like Bill Frist, sorry.
Sunspots - the effect is not well understood granted but the current thinking is that the effect is cyclical and not nearly as great as the CO2/methane effect - which you know is already in concentrations far exceeding any other time in recorded history and in ice samples found to date and the correlation between concentration and temperature is very high…
December 5th, 2006 at 11:21 amYep. Just keep driving your double-extended, supersized, gas guzzling SUV, listening to your Toby Keith & Rush Limbaugh, and cursing those blasted environmentalist, wacko liberals for showing even the slightest concern about the environment!
December 5th, 2006 at 11:21 amI’ve got some scrap metal and a sweet set of metric tools. Who wants to help me get the Dyson Sphere started?!!
December 5th, 2006 at 11:27 amWell I just learned something today - thanks Lee.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:31 amBelieve me, I’m laughing *at* you, not with you! The hysteria over global warming has always been about power and money, never about “saving the planet.”
If you think otherwise, then you’ve been duped. It happens. It’s a shame, but don’t feel ashamed. Learn from the mistake. Education is a powerful tool against self-serving folks like those pushing the hysteria.
The reality is, that those who push the hysteria are the same folks who don’t have any plans on enacting of the legislation that they claim would stop the catastrophe. Ever wonder why?
December 5th, 2006 at 12:08 pmMuckdog - still no evidence from you and no evidence that you have an open mind. You must be a lightweight then you nothing but schoolyard taunts to masquerade as substance. Yes global warming is about power and money you just haven’t figured out why.
I could go on and we could debate but as I said last night - I prefer a good dump to the challenge of your arguments… to paraphrase your entire argument in response to your post:
Whatever.
December 5th, 2006 at 12:24 pmThe last radical gobal warming eposide 55 million tyears ago turned the Earth into a proverbial Garden of Eden. If wheat won’t be able to thrive in the United States, more southernly crops will! Even the projection maps show no net loss of wheat lands for North America as a whole. Isn’t all this global warming hysteria just a communist/socialist tool to attack capitalism?
January 28th, 2007 at 3:32 pmBBc is full of shit you can’t grow wheat in those areas of Canada as the iceages have scraped all the soil off and it is nothing but rock.
March 1st, 2007 at 12:11 am