Now do you really think that a group of people who have profited so handily from everything that comes with perpetual war is honestly, truly going to tell us if this war was actually won?

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=HAL&t=5y

Take a look at the chart.. notice when the stock started to skyrocket?
It was a bad year to be saddam but a good year to be one of dick cheney’s old corporate buddys, and even if cheney made no direct profit lets not pretend he and any other rich folks dont have some nice quid pro quo going on.

back to my “war” point…
Is there EVER going to be day where 19 angry men can’t commit some really screwy act of violence?

In short, using this alleged “war” as a justification to do anything…whether its hold anyone indefinitely, or track the phone calls everyone in america makes, it a bunch of baloney.

I mean, if you buy into their logic, it basically boils down to this:

“I’m the president, and we are at war until I say we arent at war anymore. I’ll tell you when the war is over, but until then, I can do anything I want to.”

So if the president decides to lie, he can, according to his own logic, do ANYTHING he wants to do. A ruler who has the power unilaterially decide when he has absolute power HAS ABSOLUTE POWER, and this is just the sort of thing that would have founding fathers turning in thier graves…

Yes yes exactly, but you see, these paper tigers are what gives the people running the show all the power… with these alleged mystical islamic genies of death and destruction running around, they can say “we’re at war, we have to sacrifice our civil liberties”…

I love it how the same people who blindly refuse to beleive in conspiracies involving rich white men who actually do have enourmous amounts of corporate and governmental power are willing, at the drop of a hat, to beleive that there is actually a coherent, worldwide conspiracy of stateless, well organized guerillas whose religious fanaticism gives them superhuman abilities to wreak havok on a massive scale without armies, tanks, planes (well maybe one or two), or missles.

I’ll say it again… your bathtub poses more danger to you than these alleged islamic supermen do…

More americans have died from sliipping in thier tub since 9-11 than died on 9-11.

No no they beleive in “Intelligent Sketching”

Those are the twins annual contribution to the war effort this time around.

twins

Thanks for proving my point, Tundra. You could care less that this invasion was morally wrong. You could care less that it trashes long-established legal precedent. All you want is your own short-sighted security needs met, Constitution be damned. That others (the UN) pick up more of the tab – that’s your libertarian focus. And for your info, it’s also “Gold Star Wives,” and “Gold Star Families.” As well-informed as Squeege is, I find it hard to believe he’s never heard of any of these orgs. Cindy Sheehan is a Gold Star mother, and so Squeegee’s ignorance of this org seems convieniently timed.

But noone slams the use of the word “Jewie” or comments saying Jews are tired from killing palastenians all day”

Comment by Tundra — December 4, 2006 @ 9:03 pm

If I saw it, you bet your ass the hounds would be loosed. But I ain’t the TP hound.

“What do you want a gold star or something?

Comment by squegeeboo — December 4, 2006 @ 10:52 am

Perhaps a Purple Horseshoe

Comment by Tundra —

Quite reminiscent of the hilarious “Purple Heart Band-Aids,” seen during the ‘04 republican national convention. Just warning you and Squeege in advance; this kind of joking will be verbotten when we reach 3000 dead servicemen mark. “Gold Star” mentioned in a joke about the Iraq war will get you in a real fight, right quick.

:-)

A day full of marketing guys running around. Talk about not understanding concepts and then assuming they have full knowledge, Oh my.

Just had to get it out of your system, eh? I understand. No coffee this morning? Or a full day of rap music?

:-)

south park too… i suppose…
just can’t get enthused about either…

Comment by katy

because both are for smart people. my 9 year old son doesn’t get it either. you’re about his speed. maybe a bit slower.

You joke about torture, just goes to show how out of touch you are.

OK, I didn’t mean it Zoo, I know you are in touch :)

That was my deadpan delivery, Robert.

I’ll have to get it to the shop for repair…

I knew who they are but it wasn’t by first thought when he said “Want a Gold Star?” I didn’t even think of them until it was brought up. Sure you can say that I am out of touch with the consequences of this war, and well you would be quite wrong.

Yes, I was against the war and it’s because we don’t need to be the world’s police. I realize many feel we should be the “arm of the U.N” whenever they becon. I say let some other countries pony up a little bit. You can cry for the soldiers because they are there, but only since it’s something you don’t like.

Everyone saying we need to send troops to Darfur, think about this for a minute. Do you want to arm the losing side and then be fighting them in ten years (A little research may find a country or two that we did that with)? Would you rather stick our soldiers in the middle of that little war? If so how many can die, what is acceptable loss?

Sure Slam Squegee because he said “Gold Star” (Which someone else adds the mother to and now he is insensitive) But noone slams the use of the word “Jewie” or comments saying Jews are tired from killing palastenians all day”

Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 4, 2006 @ 7:37 pm

Congratulations on the publication.

I could have said ” I think torture is listening to rap music” but then again, that is real torture

Somehow, I think this is low on the priority list of Gitmo detainees.

Actually, under the current status, they are entitled to the rights guaranteed under the Constitution afforded civilians held in wartime – essentially to be treated as criminals. That’s the gist of the last Supreme Court Ruling. However, President Bush and the Republican Congress have tried to circumvent that ruling and deprive the detainees of all rights via the Military Commissions Act of 2006.

I’ve written a brief article on this issue, scheduled for publication in December. When it comes out, I’ll provide a link.

I will not even go into the torture issue, there again, that can be very subjective. I think it is torture if you deny me coffee in the morning!

thanks for the understanding, patience, and knowledge.

Neither. You are correct, there is a difference. Criminals are entitled to a trial. POWs may be held to the end of the conflict, or exchanged for enemy-held POWs.

Here, there is no declared war against a foreign power, therefore there can be no POWs. Under the treaties the U.S. has ratified they should have been treated as criminals. Instead, they have been treated as “unlawful enemy combatants” and many are being held indefinitely without a hearing.

Instead of conforming our conduct to comport with the treaties we’ve signed, the Republican Congress and President Bush enacted a law which basically says we are no longer a signatory to the Geneva Convention. It also takes the Constitution away from all legal immigrants residing in the United States.

The detainees in Guantanamo are being treated as non-persons, deprived of liberty without a hearing and subjected to various forms of torture.