Cavuto to Krugman: ‘You Are Lying To People’
Cavuto to Krugman: ‘You Are Lying To People’
Princeton economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman went on Fox News this afternoon to talk about his new article in Rolling Stone Magazine, “How the Super-Rich Are Screwing America.”
Krugman’s article is about how income inequality is getting worse and, as a result, even though some aggregate economic indicators are positive, most people aren’t benefiting. Cavuto told Krugman, “Here’s what I’m saying that you’re doing: You are lying to people.” Cavuto claims that income inequality isn’t “dramatically worse now than 10 years ago, 20 years ago.” Watch it:
Actually, Krugman is completely right: things are dramatically worse now than 10 or 20 years ago. Here’s a chart from the Economic Policy Institute that tracks the ratio of the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans to median income in the United States, a standard measure of income inequality:
Full transcript:
CAVUTO: Here’s what I’m saying that you’re doing: You are lying to people. That’s what I think that you’re doing.
KRUGMAN: I haven’t heard a lie yet. But, look, if that’s the way you want to do it, I mean, fair and balanced, go all the way. Look, c’mon, the fact of the matter is–
CAVUTO: No, no, you don’t have to be snide. You have to be factual.
KRUGMAN: You’re being snide.
CAVUTO: No, no, you’re mentioning good data. You’re saying there’s a growing divide between the haves and have nots. Others have argued that very effectively and very eloquently, just like you. All I’m saying is that the math that applied now, can’t you apply it in other periods, when there have been Democratic presidents who’ve had the same dislocations? You’re saying that it’s somehow dramatically worse now than it was 10 years ago, 20 years ago?
KRUGMAN: Yeah, actually, it is dramatically worse now than it was 10 years, 20 years ago. All of the measures of inequalities have just gone off the charts. It didn’t start with Bush — and I actually say that if anybody, you know, buy Rolling Stone, read the article — it actually starts even before Reagan, so this is not just Bush. The point of the matter is that, when, in these last five years, as it’s becomes clear that this is a really growing problem, that most people are not sharing in the economy’s growth, the policies of Bush have been at every point to push that inequality further.
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December 5th, 2006 at 6:36 pmSo what. If the 1% earned it. so be it.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:37 pmCavuto presents enough of the appearance of swine that I nominate him for the full “Deliverance” treatment!
December 5th, 2006 at 6:41 pmKrugman is a brilliant economist and is a very highly regarded professor of Economics at Princeton. Cavuto is a moron, and he demonstrates that he is unable to hold a conversation with Paul without the ad hominem attacks which are a trademark of Faux News.
I have some friends who had Krugman in class and they said they learned so much from him. Remember, the people at Fox are uneducable.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:44 pmMay I ask for the millionth time: Why do people agree to appear on FOX news?
It’s like not putting your arms up even though you now someone’s gonna’ hit you.
I am hoping that there are hearings or a lawsuit soon that strip FOX News of it’s “News” suffix.
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December 5th, 2006 at 6:46 pmCuvato is the one who makes a living lying to people on a daily basis.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:47 pmTHEY DON”T EARN YOU FU*KING STUPID ASS. THEY ARE BORN INTO IT, JUST LIKE YOUR MASTER BUSH.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:48 pm“now” should be “know.”
D- Uh!
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December 5th, 2006 at 6:49 pmKevin, do you have any comprehension skills? Whether the 1% earned their money has nothing to do with this thread.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:50 pmSmart Rich vs. Stupid Rich
December 5th, 2006 at 6:51 pmRe#2 Kevin
They are not “earning” it, but they are “stealing” by “externalizing” their PRIVATE costs of doing business to the PUBLIC!
For example, when a company profits by generating wastes that last long after the company has merged or been sold, which results in others having to PAY to clean up that company’s damage.
Do you understand that this is “stealing”?
December 5th, 2006 at 6:51 pmCavuto v. Krugman
“You are lying to people.”
I don’t even have to read it — Krugman slapped the crap out of that little prick didn’t he?
December 5th, 2006 at 6:53 pma good indicator of how things are going . . . . your local help wanted pages. call center positions, collection agents and loan officers. even with a college degree many have a good shot of only getting jobs they could have gotten out of high school (and without the student loan debt).
December 5th, 2006 at 6:54 pmWe are going through abother Gilded Age only now the top 1% are global. Its a race to the bottom.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:55 pmDecember 5th, 2006 at 6:56 pm
Smart Rich vs. Stupid Rich
http://nontrivialpursuits.org/WordPress/?p=30
Cavuto is among the stupidest of the Stupid Rich…
December 5th, 2006 at 6:57 pmEconomic Policy Institute
Who?
Never heard of them.
Anybody,including thinktanks such as “EPI”can cook the books to match any political/ideological agenda.
Including TP`s and it` authors.
Any “legitimate” figures on this?TP?
No? Then you are merely pissing into the wind Think Progress/Staff/Posters.
Krugman is a political hack.His legitimacy/credibility has always been under attack,and rightly so.
Not enough time to report all of Krugman`s debunkings,but this seems to be the latest in his long heritage of being a strictly left wing mouthpiece.
He is the Sean Hannity of print,let`s just put it that way.
And I am a democrat.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:57 pm15:
No, he stole it from Steve Jobs.
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December 5th, 2006 at 6:57 pmThis will never change because the rich people of this country control everything, including elections. Without a virtual desruction of our monopolistics and capitalistic society we will not see any change.
http://www.getsomejosh.com
December 5th, 2006 at 6:58 pmFunny. Bill Gates didn’t get his first billion from his parents.
Comment by Kevin — December 5, 2006 @ 6:56 pm
No, he takes his orders from the devil him/herself.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:59 pmOf course it does. If you plan on taking money from people that earn it and give it to people that don’t (redistribution) that’s wrong. I don’t care how much money the person has.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:01 pm#7
Just like Michael Dell and especially Mark Cuban.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:03 pmSo what. If the 1% earned it. so be it.
Comment by Kevin — December 5, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
So you think Paris Hilton earned her money? I don’t think her porn sales did quite that well…
There aren’t enough hours in the day to work THAT much harder than anyone else.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:04 pmKevin, in 1983, Ronald Reagan presided over the largest tax increase in history. He and his friends doubled the social security taxes working people pay. The idea was to create a surplus for the baby boomers when they hit retirement. The same supply siders who came up with this scheme later started using this money to run government. Bush’s tax breaks to the wealthy transferred almost a trillion dollars of this money to the wealthiest among us. Are you going to sit there and argue that it was right and proper to divert a trillion dollars in working class taxes to the nation’s most wealthy? Krugman isn’t arguing that nobody should be wealthy. He’s arguing that the wealthy are looting the treasury which is filled with working class money. Man, wise up.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:04 pmgot proof?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:05 pmIf “rich people” control elections, do you really thing the dems would have won?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:06 pmNo, but his parents did put him through college (he dropped out later), which got him the contacts, which lead to him being able to borrow $50, 000 to purchase what he leased to IBM as DOS.
Since that time, Bill Gates has helped to push business where it is today. If you think that Bill Gates is somebody to strive to be, then why do you think he is trying to buy back his soul with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. He now know how he has fu*ked the common man.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:06 pmKevin, $9 billion in taxpayer money went missing while under the control of civilian military contrators. Therefore $9 billion was “redistributed” to defense contractors with no oversight. Does this kind of redistribution of funds bother you, or is it only when we propose to tax the wealthy at a marginally higher rate?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:07 pmI’m actually surprised FAUX invited him on the show in the first place. It’s like the Christonazis refusing to listen to Evolution in Science class.
I actually had a student today tell me that he HATES Charels Darwin after I mentioned teh Darwin Martin HOuse designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. I said “Oh, you’ve met him?” Of course he had to say no… And I casually said “I’m not sure I understand how you can hate someone you don’t know.” Welcome to the South. Understandable why we have such a shortage of Science teachers…
December 5th, 2006 at 7:08 pmKrugman and Cavuto have sparred before.
Cavuto must still be sore.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:08 pmJust because you want to ignore reality doesn’t mean we need to prove it to you. Retard.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:10 pmJust like Michael Dell and especially Mark Cuban.
Comment by Tracy — December 5, 2006 @ 7:03 pm
Notice gas prices lately? Still climbing… They are up 25 cents in my area in the last month. Should be back around the $3.00 mark again by February… as predicted by reality-based progressives.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:10 pmWe can always count on the biblethumpers to come and speak up for power. Poor power. Power needs good biblethumpers to speak for its interests. When the issue is the interests of working class people like Jesus over rulling class people like Pontius Pilot, today’s biblethumpers almost always take the side of the romans. Very strange.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:11 pmre:#2 The top %1 stole it
So what. If the 1% earned it. so be it.
Comment by Kevin — December 5, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
BZZZZZZT! Wrong answer Kevin, try again. The top 1 percent didn’t “earn” their money. They stole it by violating anti trust laws, busting unions, outsourcing labor, falsely inflating prices, spending monies guaranteed to entitlement programs, war profiteering, stealing natural resources here and abroad, and the list of lies and corruption goes on…
December 5th, 2006 at 7:13 pmShe did get her money from her family. I guess you are not leaving your kids anything. Giving it all to the State, are you?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:13 pmTracy and Kevin,
Who gives a flying fu*k about a couple of people who have earned some money in their lives. That is not whho we are discussing. We are talking about rich people that don’t work a day in their lives. People like George W Bush who are born into money and are given a free ride because they are nothing more than rich. Those are the one percenters. But, you two are too fu*king stupid to be able to contribute to a conversation anyways.
Waste of time air and space you guys are.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:15 pm#21 — If you plan on taking money from people that earn it and give it to people that don’t (redistribution) that’s wrong. I don’t care how much money the person has. — kevin
This statement proves you did not read or comprehend the story. It was about the disparity not “taking money” from the rich.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:16 pmFacts are facts and this thread proves “trickle down” economics does NOT work. The rich only get richer and they hoard, the poor and the middle class suffer.
No, I am not leaving my kids anything, just like my parents aren’t leaving me anything. Because that is the way it should be.
And you are a dumb fu*k to think it has to go to the state.
I tell my parents “It is your money, you earned it, you spend it. Go on a trip, buy something shiny, give it away. I don’t want to be given money for doing nothing.”
But, you are probably expecting your parents to leave you money aren’t you? Because you are part of the entitlement culture. You think you deserve something that isn’t yours. Assh*le.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:21 pmGas going up! It couldn’t have anything to do with the production cuts OPEC called for last month. It couldn’t possibly be the demand going up for heat oil. GWB must have pressed the button.
And you folks think I ignore reality
December 5th, 2006 at 7:23 pmAnd you folks think I ignore reality
— Kevin
Every post you make proves it to us.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:27 pmThanks for confirming again.
Where did that stupid cocksucker Cavuto get his degree in econoimcs?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:27 pmNOT TO LONG AGO, IF YOU CALLED A PERSON A LIER YOU HAD A FIGHT ON YOUR HANDS OR MAYBE A KILLING. BUT TODAY WORDS MEAN APSOLUTLLY 0, NOTHING. THE END IS VERY CLOSE…..
December 5th, 2006 at 7:27 pmTo anyone who questions the importance of wealth stratification. I saw Robert Reich on TV this summer, so I’m a little vague on it now. Part of the gist of his speech was: That if wealth in a society becomes stratified and entrenched (ie no social mobility) the results were very bad. You wind up having a under class. Resentment and scapegoating occur. I think Reich gave a few historical examples, such as pre-WW2 Germany, and modern day middle east. If you look at the world through this angle, a graduated income tax and estate taxes make a lot of sense. … And Krugman is cool.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:28 pmShe did get her money from her family. I guess you are not leaving your kids anything. Giving it all to the State, are you?
Comment by Kevin — December 5, 2006 @ 7:13 pm
What kids? I have, and plan to have, no children.
My niece will get my pitiance for education or a home.
It won’t be enough for her to become famous for being famous however… because I choose to have a meaningful career over being unethically rich.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:29 pmWaste of time air and space you guys are.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — December 5, 2006 @ 7:15 pm
Sugar-coated version :)
December 5th, 2006 at 7:29 pmDummy, the Saudis and OPEC have already stated that there is plenty of oil and that America isn’t processing it fast enough. So, what did Big Oil do last week, they closed down another refinery in Bakersfield.
You are a puppet that is being used and you seem to enjoy it.
What color is the sky in LA LA LAND?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:30 pmKrugman’s right, but that graph is hugely misleading–it makes it look like the gap has nearly tripled in the past forty years. The graph should start at zero, not 100.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:30 pmre: 37 Trickle down break down
“trickle down†economics does NOT work. The rich only get richer and they hoard, the poor and the middle class suffer.
Comment by Wayne — December 5, 2006 @ 7:16 pm
Exactly right Wayne. This is why the blood sucker rich pushed so hard for NAFTA and CAFTA. Ross Perot said back in 92 we’d hear this “enormous sucking sound”…the sound of American jobs being sucked out of the US. Trickle down sounds great in theory but when the rich are allowed to take their fat profits and outsource and circumvent paying Americans, they will. Call Dell tech support, you’ll get India. Call Microsoft tech support, you’ll reach China. The first order of business this new congress and senate needs to do is to tear NAFTA and CAFTA a new one and force these 1 percenters be held accountable. Its time to restore the middle class.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:31 pmGWB gets a free ride. Do all politicians get the same free ride? What about Ted Kennedy? Do you give him a free ride? TP does not give him a free ride. Any of the mainstream press give him free ride?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:32 pmGas going up! It couldn’t have anything to do with the production cuts OPEC called for last month. It couldn’t possibly be the demand going up for heat oil.
Nope. The demand was and is the same October 7th as November 7th, as December 7th. Not the right answer.
GWB must have pressed the button.
Nope – the Big Oil gluttons who wanted the neocons to remain in office.
And you folks think I ignore reality
Comment by Kevin — December 5, 2006 @ 7:23 pm
Think? Nope, we know.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:33 pmWhere did that stupid cocksucker Cavuto get his degree in econoimcs?
— jurassicpork
From the Raygun Voodoo School, of course =)
December 5th, 2006 at 7:33 pm25:
Back in the ’80’s, Jobs took advantage of the biggest blunder in business history, that being Xerox not seeing the value of Guided User Interface. Jobs obtained the knowledge legally and developed the Macintosh.
Gates hacked together a cheaper, less stable, less efficient, less reliable, more overly complicated version and mongered it to every manufacturer in sight.
In sum- all you have to do is look at the BS that is the Windows registry a travesty of human technological advancement.
Oh yeah, revenge came for Jobs at many times over the years. Specifically, today, Gates is likely smacking himself in the head over his crappy Zune imposter to the Ipod.
Call Gates whatever you want, just don’t call his money “earned.”
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December 5th, 2006 at 7:34 pmI’d suggest everyone seeing Gini coeficient on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient#US_income_gini_coefficients_over_time) to learn more about inequaliy in U.S. over time. What it says is that U.S. is almost as unequal as it can get (comparing to developed countries!) but this situation didn’t get much worse in recent years. Please go read it!
December 5th, 2006 at 7:34 pmI think the top tax rate during Eisenhower was 90%. Could anyone imagine that now?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:36 pmTop heavy wealth distribution always ends up collapsing economies. (why does Kevin hate America?)
Then of course, exploitation of the producers (labor) always leads to upheaval and toppling of governments.
More inconvenient truths.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:36 pmOne only needs to compare the chart with the Presidents to understand why the Ruling Class sponsors Conservatism. The two biggest jumps in their wealth as measured in the chart came under Reagan’s “trickle-down” economics and Bush’s War-Time Presidency.
By their standards, the Bush Presidency has been successful beyond all dreams of avarice.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:38 pmKrugman is spot-on correct, of course. The numbers tell the truth.
Conservatives that I know either flatly deny these truths out of guilty self-delusion, or they take selfish survival-of-the fittest-and-luckiest glee in it.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:38 pmEither way, it stinks. It’s wrong and morally offensive.
In the eyes of this administration and the American Pravda, people like Krugman are their worse enemies. Why is this? Because they do the work and use facts and come to real conclusions rather than what the neocons want. Remember, knowledge and intellectuals are the worse enemies of any authoritarian power, that is why they are almost always the first to be attacked.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:39 pmWhat about Ted Kennedy? Do you give him a free ride? TP does not give him a free ride.
Comment by Kevin — December 5, 2006 @ 7:32 pm
Nope. He earns his salary by trying to raise the minimum wage every year and then donating what he makes to charities.
Name a Republican who does the same….
December 5th, 2006 at 7:40 pmTime for The Daily Show re-run…
Later…
December 5th, 2006 at 7:40 pm#49 Kevin,
Ted Kennedy didn’t move to the south and adopt a phony accent so that he could fool all the moro…uh, intellectually challenged in order to get elected.
Not a big fan of Kennedy’s, by the way.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:43 pmI’m surprised people here don’t recognize Kevin for what he is, an obvious troll.
Trolls are uniformly narcissistic and suffer from varying degrees of sociopathy, usually a result of early childhood abuse by family members.
While it is certainly proper to feel sympathy for such people, responding in any way to them merely enables and encourages their emotional deviance.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:43 pmThis evening “Class Wars” with Neil Prosciutto.
You wish it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Its happening now.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:45 pmi think it’s cute how cavuto carries water for people who wouldn’t pee on him if he was on fire
December 5th, 2006 at 7:47 pmWise point from the Gini Curve on Wiki:
December 5th, 2006 at 7:48 pm“Extreme egalitarianism leads to incentive-traps, free-riding, high operation costs and corruption in the redistribution system, all reducing a country’s growth potential. However, extreme inequality also diminishes growth potential by eroding social cohesion, and increasing social unrest and social conflict, causing uncertainty of property rights. Therefore, public policy should target an ‘efficient inequality range’.”
This is why Democrats should not go on FOX.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:48 pmJust one of many reasons…
Ho hum…
Wealth inequality is not the same as income inequality, but yes – both are rising.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:49 pmAll this fascinating troll-spin from kevin and the like aside, the trend of the wealthy owning more of the wealth than ever before is not healthy for our nation and economy.
It’s not a “rich vs. poor” thing, it’s a TREND, and a disturbing one at that. This economy and this administration’s economic policies that the trolls defend so spastically is not even in balance. It’s not like the rich make money, the middle class makes less money, but their incomes all grow together. That would at least be sustainable.
NO. The gains of the wealthy are FAR outstripping the gains of the middle class and poor. THAT is what is troubling. It’s not that the wealthy make more money (or that their money makes more money), it’s that the wealthy account for a greater percentage of per capita income that they did five years ago.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:51 pm[...] Original Source [...]
December 5th, 2006 at 7:54 pmKevin appears to be in the 1% catagory or maybe .5%? .2% where the money is mountain high?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:57 pmMany people who are super rich have partially earned their money and deserve a very good income, but much of what passes for “reasonable” compensation is bogus obscenity. A CEO or founder of a successful company should make good money, but so should the laborers who work for him or her and have made it possible for the CEO or founder’s dream become reality. Too many of the top executives are being paid disproportionately to their contribution, in fact many of their salaries become destructive to the company. The secretary of that company who keeps the organization running smoothly probably contributes more benefit to the health of the company but is not paid in kind. The graph presented on this thread demonstrates this disparity.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:00 pmre #46 Artificially inflating oil prices; gouge consumers and set record breaking oil profits
Dummy, the Saudis and OPEC have already stated that there is plenty of oil and that America isn’t processing it fast enough. So, what did Big Oil do last week, they closed down another refinery in Bakersfield.
You are a puppet that is being used and you seem to enjoy it.
What color is the sky in LA LA LAND?
Comment by SpudgeBoy — December 5, 2006 @ 7:30 pm
So true Spudge. Its all part of the big PNAC NeoCon Oil and War profit plan. Invade and occupy Iraq, block Iraqi oil production, sell lots of weapons, siphon billions from tax payers, and artifically inflate the cost of oil and gouge consumers. Its all going perfectly according to plan.
What Is Happening To Iraqi Oil?
Iraqi oil exports grind to a halt
Exxon profits: Vying for a new record
Bush’s Petro-Cartel Almost Has Iraq’s Oil
“Even as Iraq verges on splintering into a sectarian civil war, four big oil companies are on the verge of locking up its massive, profitable reserves, known to everyone in the petroleum industry as “the prize.”
December 5th, 2006 at 8:06 pmAsk yourselves, What social purpose to the Wealthy Class serve? Why is it necessary for man-unkind to heap such wealth upon so few individuals?
Having Pharoes, Kings and Emperors is rooted in our psyche. Why? To what end?
Theoretically, a Democracy could put an end to the wealthy class through progressive taxation. Yet two hundred years later and the gap is growing between the Wealthy Class and everybody else. Why do we elect representatives who cater to their interests and not our own?
I began to answer these questions on this morning’s ThinkFast. Your thoughts are welcome.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:09 pmI know this question depends on one’s acceptance of the data that Krugman presents, which could be difficult for Bush apologists, but let’s say, for the sake of argument, that the data is accurate and not “spun” in one particular direction.
Given those circumstances, would those who’s battle cry is “they’ve earned it!” and “Class warfare against the rich” make the claim that these rich folks are MORE deserving now than they were five or ten years ago? That would seem to follow, right?
December 5th, 2006 at 8:10 pmIt may seem counterintuitive but it is in the top 1% interest to not have such a stratified wealth distribution.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:15 pmWhy do we elect representatives who cater to their interests and not our own?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 5, 2006 @
It is because they were NOT elected both times is why.They were “wrangled” in by any means (voter fraud).
December 5th, 2006 at 8:16 pmStill not to late to enlist Kevin.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:37 pmGates hacked together a cheaper, less stable, less efficient, less reliable, more overly complicated version and mongered it to every manufacturer in sight.— Andrew
Yep, windows 1 was a big bust. It was not untill 3.1 that windows actually took off and computer manufacturers started using it. Then Micro$oft’s licensing forcing the manufacturers use only “sanctioned” programs lead to the monopoly microsoft has today.
Windows still sucks eggs, compared to unix based OS’s. Mac os x for example.
If you are running a windows based server, you are stupid. Because of the flaws, it is too easy to hack.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:43 pmComment by Bowdler — December 5, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
You’re right on the money, to coin a phrase.
Historically, when the imbalance becomes too great, there is a revolution. Think France, circa late 1700’s for a recent example.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:48 pmWhy do we elect representatives who cater to their interests and not our own?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 5, 2006 @ 8:09 pm
I think it’s probably not a simple answer.
In part – “Patriarchy”. Male-dominant cultures need for someone to be at the top of the ladder and others to be below. In order to have a patriarchal hierarchy – you have to put people in tiers… It’s how hierarchies work. King of the Mountain mentality.
Give women equal rights and a lot of this will go away.
History has shown that men who wanted to be at the top of the ladder created religions to make women sub-servient so that they could create their heirarchies in which they could be the Alpha Males, and therefore have access to more women with whom they could sow their seeds.
Despite what the trolls may say to the contrary, in general, I prefer the company of men over most women, so therefore I do not hate men. But, certain males (like the neocons) we would be better off without. I call them the Super Alphas. Men who want to dominate other Alpha males, because they need to compensate for small weiners or repressed homosexuality.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:49 pmIf you are running a windows based server, you are stupid. Because of the flaws, it is too easy to hack.
Comment by Wayne — December 5, 2006 @ 8:43 pm
I’ve decided that my next computer will be a mac. When they fixed it to run PC software, they made it impossible to every buy another PC again.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:52 pm(neocons) we would be better off without. I call them the Super Alphas. Men who want to dominate other Alpha males, because they need to compensate for small weiners or repressed homosexuality.
Comment by unbelievable — December 5, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
Then they buy a red Corvette :)
December 5th, 2006 at 9:00 pmUnbelievable, check out the book “Up from Eden.” The author does a good job describing the psychological development of humans in relation to religion and spirituality.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:00 pmit is anti-intuitive that any person’s value to a company is worth more than 500 times that of another person in the same company. Applicable axiom: no one is irreplacable.
And for those without intuition or common sense, its also immoral.
And for those without morals (including all of our wonderful members of the cult of republicanism), its bad economics – distributed wealth is a far greater economic engine than concentrated wealth.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:05 pm.
Then they buy a red Corvette :)
Comment by altered evidence — December 5, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
Or a fleet of military humvees, as in Cheney and Bush’s case… sadly.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:10 pmUnbelievable, check out the book “Up from Eden.†The author does a good job describing the psychological development of humans in relation to religion and spirituality.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 5, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
“Natural Atheism” author, a cultural athropologist, does a similar explanation. He talks about how we’ve evolved such large brains that we have to be born before they fully develop, and therefore the first 6 years of our lives, while our brains are still building neural pathways, we are cultural indoctrinated so that the things we are taught become a part of that physical process.
He talked about how religion fits into that system and that once people are taught that a specific god is the truth, it becomes extremely difficult to see the world in different ways.
So, those of us who have cast off our birth religions have truly done something few people are capable of doing… Overriding our physical neurology.
Pretty cool.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:16 pm#52 – andrew,
December 5th, 2006 at 9:26 pmActually, Gates lifted the registry from OS/2 Release 1.0 which he initially “partnered” in development with IBM. He lifted the code, changed all the API vectors and used it as the basis for NT. What he did not realize was that IBM had a 32 bit version of the code in the works. He popped out the Office Suite which was written entirely in Basic at the time using MS APIs and staved off IBM for 7 years until he was able to come up with an equivalent 32 bit GUI OS. Once there, he pushed prices over the wall.
By the by, I believe that GUI stands for ‘Graphics User Interface’ in computerese. ‘Guided User Interface’ refers to TV remotes.
Wow, I think ch ch ch Krugman coulda been a Seinfeld character. “No soup for you!” (?)
December 5th, 2006 at 9:30 pmmaybe “Neil the Caveman Cavuto” can get a job after Fox News drys up as an “instigating” manager in professional wrestling.
you know,the kind of guy you just love to hate.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:31 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx
December 5th, 2006 at 9:31 pm#86 – unbelievable,
December 5th, 2006 at 9:31 pmYou are right about the base principle, but the 6 year figure is a mean. The range is from 4 to 9. The 4s are prodigys, the 9’s are left behind (unjustly).
Here is something fascinating I realized: According to antrhopolgists mankind walked out of the woods, and basically turned from an animal to man, 10,000 years ago, shortly after the last ice-age. It was heralded by such developments as: farming, language, specialized work, and a form of government. If you assume a new generation every 20 years that would mean only 500 iterations since we walked out of the woods. Hardly a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. So we are just 500 generations removed from oblivion. What this means – I don’t know. But I stil find it fascinating.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:36 pm81- You could just try Ubuntu, but it could take you time to get used, but it’s free and can run on any system with out flaws. In all, it’s a money saver. They have a live cd you can try, meaning you can just boot the os from the cd.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:40 pmtry Mac OSX 86 for windows.
pretty stable.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:48 pm17., the alleged democrat:
Want to know who Economic Policy Institute is? You could squander time on google, or you could just try http://www.epi.org in your location box and see what you get:
EPI Homepage.
If you go there and read their “About” page, you’ll find that, actually, Faux is behind EPI. Jeff Faux, that is, who was their first president; the organization was founded in 1986 to provide a venue for discussing issues that are important to middle- and lower-income Americans.
You can get the raw data at the site, and papers explaining how they make their calculations, and other information that can be used for your own stuff or just to check up on what others have done with their data. (For what it’s worth, I too think the graph shown above should be drawn to reflect the true time relationship of the data.)
December 5th, 2006 at 9:48 pmHere is something fascinating I realized: According to antrhopolgists mankind walked out of the woods, and basically turned from an animal to man, 10,000 years ago, shortly after the last ice-age. It was heralded by such developments as: farming, language, specialized work, and a form of government. If you assume a new generation every 20 years that would mean only 500 iterations since we walked out of the woods. Hardly a blink of an eye in evolutionary terms. So we are just 500 generations removed from oblivion. What this means – I don’t know. But I stil find it fascinating.
Comment by Bowdler — December 5, 2006 @ 9:36 pm
It means the Bush`s are atypical to mankind with just 3 generations removed from oblivion.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:54 pmI just realized how the 500 generation thing I mentioned earlier pertains. Maybe such things as religion and having a super-rich king class are remnants from our pre-man past. Thats could be why they are so hard for mankind to shake in spite of their nefarious influence.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:55 pmI began to answer these questions on this morning’s ThinkFast. Your thoughts are welcome.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
You just nailed it. This economic system is unsustainable. Period.
Look at III World countries: millions of poor people struggling each day to put some food in the table and about 10 families that own the strategic industries of the country and a fast-decreasing middleclass. Neoliberalism is just that: accumulation of wealth by the rich out of the sweat of poor people working. Surplus in its brightest edition. Now, the big problem is that the remaining middle class does not form alliances with the working poor class in order to put down the rich, they wish to be like the ruling class: new, fancy cars, exotic food and drink, good clothing, big houses, and all the mind-numbing products the media sell us in order to feel better with our own insecurities.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:57 pm97
Ok ok,I was wrong.
Yes the graph is wrong in my view as well.
Thanks for your help and insight.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:58 pmLet’s put this in terms Kevin can understand. If the U.S. economy worked like a game of Monopoly, you could say it was fair and that everybody got what they deserved. What you end up with would be determined by the roll of the dice and what you do with your money.
The U.S. economy is more like a Monopoly game where the player with the most money gets to rewrite the rules any way that he likes. And that means the player with the most money will always be the player with the most money, because he’s going to change the rules to make damn sure that it stays that way. Hard work means nothing. The people with the most money didn’t get that way with hard work. They got that way by gaming the system. The further ahead they get, the more they game the system, the more they rewrite tax laws, the more they buy politicians, the more they just flat out cheat, and the less they ever have to worry about getting caught or paying the consequences.
That’s the reality of it, Kevin. If you really believe this game is played on the up and up, you’re delusional.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:59 pm#93 – Bowdler,
December 5th, 2006 at 10:03 pmHomo Sapiens arose about 30,000 years ago. At that point a genetic switch had turned on that allowed spoken language. This same gene exists in chimps, toothed whales and humpback whales (maybe other species). It took our species about another 20,000 years to translate pictographs (scenes of the hunt and the like) into recorded language. These earliest efforts were directed towards commerce and agriculture. Story telling and historic records came about 8000 years ago. I recognize this final time mark as the beginning of the age of technology. From then on, word of mouth was not the only means of information transfer.
Fair enough, winnie.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:05 pmI must be spending too much time on line.
Homo Sapiens arose about 30,000 years ago.
Comment by WaltTheMan
There were sea currents feeding the West Coast of Africa that were shut once South America joined North America in what is now Panama. Once these sea currents were missing, climate changed in some parts of Africa, where trees dried and savannah arose. Some apes living there didnt have enough trees to climb, so thats when they decided to step foot on the ground in order to hunt.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:17 pmAnd we all know what that idea turned into.
106 – so…you’re saying the mess in Iraq is all Panama’s fault?
:-)
December 5th, 2006 at 10:26 pmI saw a show about genetic “switches”. Like software code written in nuclotides. The folks who think aliens put us here would have a lot so say about this DNA code stuff, right poeple?
December 5th, 2006 at 10:30 pmJuan that reminds me of a couple of years ago when I was debating religion with a christian lady I worked with. She said: “God created the world in 7 days. I think that is beautiful.” I said “But think of what really happened. That is far more beautiful.” Just think an encroaching savanah, the result of a land mass ballet, leading to the rise of man.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:31 pmDamned continental shift…
December 5th, 2006 at 10:31 pmAnd Cavuto has credentials in economics? Or is he simply a Fox puppet who gets his talking points from his bosses?
December 5th, 2006 at 10:42 pmFool. Stupid, ignorant fool.
Good Post’s all, note you’re #80 Unbelievable is right on…
Gas way up here in Wash. State as well and so is propane…Knew it would happen no matter who won or lost in the last election…The oil giant’s are raping the public and polluting our country and we are paying for the clean up…They have no intention to change untill they are forced to..48 billion profit a quarter is their aim untill the oil is gone, or the planet distroyed.
Corprate america is soon going to colapse….All our coffers and entitlement program’s have been raided by the wealthiests greed. The public is nervious, divided and over stimulated by both sides of fighting polaticians….Everything is turning into holy war’s, here and over there. The there being where ever bull shit bush and his merry bunch of war mongers decide where there is, Iraq,Iran, Syria on and on….
Individule enlightment, peace, power and returning our culture to quality and fairness in the work place is going to be a tough struggle..We must take back the people power and right our system of government….The huge corporation’s will have to be held accountable and their will over our polatician’s stopped in order to get back on track…Since I am now in the group of the poor, I know for a fact the gap in rich and poor is huge….Our little food bank where I volenteer has added another 25 famalies since Thank’s giving…Our Christmas basket count is now going to be 279….Last year it was 152…….The war casualty was 2,908 this morning…..No more war time president’s please, they create them and never intend to stop them. Relegion and war’s are big business….Blessings
December 5th, 2006 at 10:47 pmOMG, Faux News isn’t even bright enough to get rid of that piece of shit Neil Cavuto, lmao!
December 5th, 2006 at 10:48 pm#2 You moron, the top 1% have earned nothing but interest. They have done NOTHING for this country.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:48 pmAnd Shaq got rich in College (I love Matt and Trey, even if they aren’t liberal).
December 5th, 2006 at 11:01 pmEarth to Cavuto ~ Go F*ck Yourself!
December 5th, 2006 at 11:03 pm#106 – Juan C,
December 5th, 2006 at 11:41 pmYou are talking about time on a the geological scale. The continents were pretty well split apart on a billion year ago basis. Mankind came about 5-6 million years ago. The non-gutteral speech gene arose about 30 thousand years ago in several diverse mamalian species. Some studies indicate that it was due due a viral infection. Viruses work by inserting their DNA into existing DNA and may well be the driving force behind evolution. In some cases, mass extinctions occur and posthaste and then there is an evolutionary bloom as a successful insertion point is found.
To Bill Gates’ credit. At least he is using much of his ill gotten gains, that he got through monopolistic practices, to help the unfortunate. Like the force, Gates has both a dark side and a bright side.
—- CaptainVideo
That is true. He has done alot of good.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:52 pmBut the corporate side of M$soft is the evil borg. =D
It is absolutely insane of Microsoft to think anybody, except a few rich folks are gonna put out the money for a rig like mine. — Spudge_Boy
Buy a full version of XP and you spent almost half of what building a computer would cost.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:00 amLinux is a free download. Burn the images to disc and boot the beast up =)
#124 And embedded programming. Like I want their throwaway crap.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:09 am#123 – Wayne,
December 6th, 2006 at 12:20 amHas Linux captured the MS API yet? The last time I tried, half my aps were fried. In my current set-up, I have a $1000 hardware investment and a $2500 investment in software (Some of which has slipped into the obsolete bucket.). In the original IBM business model, it was supposed to be two thirds hardware and one third software. Gates has flipped the equation. On top of that, if you scrap your hardware, you are not allowed to migrate the software. That is akin to having one burn all ones books when moving from New York to New Jersey.
Oy. Technical stuff.
Goodnight!
December 6th, 2006 at 12:24 amHas Linux captured the MS API yet? —- WaltTheMan
The WINE project has done real good so far. I can run Everquest on Linux with it =)
Not everything ( program wise ) works on it. All the windows apps that come XP, 2000, 98 with run though.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:30 amThere was also apparently a very good article in the Wall Street Journal on November 15 about this same issue — written, as it happens, by none other than James Webb, Virginia’s Democratic senator-elect. Even my uncle — a staunch conservative — agreed that a lot of what Webb wrote made sense.
It certainly says something when the top 1% wealthiest people in this country reportedly take in 16% of the national income (twice as much as in 1980) — and when today’s CEOs reportedly make 400 times what their average employees make, when they were only making 20 times as much in the 1960’s.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:06 amThis is what neocon republicans do to come up with their arguments against the truth. First, they go out and have a bowl of hot, spicy chili. Then they have some old, E Coli laced, Taco Bell and finish that off with some baked beans. Then to top it all off, some ice cream. This is the production process of someone like Neil Cavuto. After a meal like this one obviously has to go to the bathroom and have a voluminous release. After relieving his colon of this immense pressure he then reaches for the toilet paper (the crummy, sandpaper like tissue that cheap bastards like him always use, not something relatively pleasant like Angel Soft or Quilted Northern) and wipes away at his now chapped ass and then looks at it as if to be examining a psychiatrist’s blotter test. Then he just flushes it away just like he always does when confronted with the truth. Because everyone knows that neocon republicans can’t read shit anyway.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:19 amIt certainly says something when the top 1% wealthiest people in this country reportedly take in 16% of the national income (twice as much as in 1980) — and when today’s CEOs reportedly make 400 times what their average employees make, when they were only making 20 times as much in the 1960’s.
—— Bluestocking
It is greed, pure and simple. They are Fleecing Americans at the workplace as well as at the gas pumps and marketplaces.
Throw credit cards and their outragious interest rates as well as estimates of over 50% of Americans are in hock to their ears to credit card companies and banks. You then start to see through the illision of the republican touted “good economy”.
To them the economy is good when they are stealing America Blind.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:29 amYeah, to bloated, gas bags like Neil Cavuto, the economy’s never been better.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:34 am#132 spinster: Thanx, I have my days.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:35 am# 121 Comment by WaltTheMan
I really didnt understand too much about your post. Its well beyond me. But as far as I know, Homo Sapiens appeared around a million years ago, and thats pretty obscure. Nobody knows for sure. I read this wonderful, incredible book who tells pretty much that story. I have to read it again, I guess.
106 – so…you’re saying the mess in Iraq is all Panama’s fault?
:-)
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Could you ever imagine that? :)
Not everything ( program wise ) works on it. All the windows apps that come XP, 2000, 98 with run though.
Comment by Wayne
Linux is the best operative system to watch porn. Viruses arent meant for Linux users, but for Windows. Ive been told. :P
#131
December 6th, 2006 at 2:24 amComment by Mr. Evil
Its really late in the night, and Im laughing so hard now!
#136 – Juan C,
December 6th, 2006 at 2:51 amThe trail of human development is extremely long. The current line, Homo Sapiens, came out of tropical Africa about 30,000 years ago. Homo Erectus (a pseudo classification) came and went starting about 6 million years ago. There were many false starts. It seems that between 4.5 and 3 million years ago, the human species took hold. There were many stages with the first non-deminutive individuals arising about three quarters of a million years ago.
On another issue, Juan, who needs a computer for porn? You can certainly find far better gratification around Mexico City for far fewer pesos.
There were many stages with the first non-deminutive individuals arising about three quarters of a million years ago.
Comment by WaltTheMan
Can you recommend me a readable book about the issue?
On another issue, Juan, who needs a computer for porn? You can certainly find far better gratification around Mexico City for far fewer pesos.
Define far better. :)
December 6th, 2006 at 2:57 amRe: Windows Bashing
I will bet all the people who critisize Windows and Bill Gates, do not write business software for a living!
Well I have written business software for over 25 years, and Windows is the best operating system for writing custom business applications ever and nothing else comes close!
For those who says Bill Gates did not innovate, you OBVIOUSLY do not know what DDE, OLE Automation, or the Win32 API is and why those are the business application programmers’s god send, for which no other operating system has equivalents.
I remember the days before the Windows “device driver model” when I had to write separate printer drivers for every model printer I wanted my software to be able to print on!
I remember the days before OLE Automation when I had to write my own spell checking routines, write my own graphic editting routines, write my own calculation routines, and write my own HTML parsing routines, but know I can use Word, Paint, Excel, and IE to do all those things on my behalf of my applications!
For those who deny Bill Gates and Microsoft’s innovation, and talk about how much better the Linux and Mac operating systems are, lets see you write business applications that have to do the above tasks, and then come back and tell me how much “better” your experience is!
December 6th, 2006 at 3:29 amBarbara: OK, we all have these terrible stories to get over, and you—
George: It’s not true. Some have great stories, pretty stories that take place at lakes with boats and friends and noodle salad. Just no one in this family
Barbara: But, a lot of people, that’s their story. Good times, noodle salad. What makes it so hard is not that you had it bad, but that you’re that pissed that so many others had it good.
December 6th, 2006 at 4:00 amNetwork Executive: “For God’s sake, Chris! The whole world is watching. We can’t let them die in front of a live audience!”
December 6th, 2006 at 4:49 amThis Is Why The Iraqis Hate Us
Another beating snuff video shames coalition of the killing, You Tube censors it
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Friday, November 17, 2006
British troops punch, beat and kick pleading Iraqi children as a sadistic comrade films the brutal scenes of torture, laughing, screaming, growling and frothing like a serial killer filming a snuff movie. This is why the Iraqis hate us.
Iraqi children throw rocks as they flee from running British troops, are grabbed, brought inside a gate and beaten half to death. Watch the video below. The censorship spies at You Tube rejected it 2 minutes after upload so I re-named it “Fluffy Happy Poodles In Heaven,†to try and bypass their keyword filters and it was still rejected. I even renamed the actual ‘wmv’ filename but it was still blocked for “terms of use violation.†I finally managed to get it posted on Google Video. If it disappears again, here’s the Windows Media link on our server.
November 19th: Google removed the video too! So here’s an old copy the censors at You Tube missed.
They keep killing this guys video so here is the link
http://prisonplanet.com/video/171106beating.wmv
share it with all you know.burn it to cd pass them out.it will diappear for good soon I fear.
get it while it lives,as a policy changer.
Comment by prison boots — December 6, 2006 @ 5:48 am
December 6th, 2006 at 5:56 am[...] It’s easy to argue like a rightie, since you don’t have to know what you’re talking about. Just keep shoveling baseless smears and insults, like calling person with whom you disagree a liar. And let the facts be damned. [...]
December 6th, 2006 at 6:36 amFrom each according to his means. To each according to his needs. Wait a minute – we tried that. Never mind.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:22 amCavuto must think Greenspan is a liar as well, since he has been warning how the inequality in American might very well undermine democracy itself.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:40 amWell I think outsourceing and offshoring are playing some role and cost cutting, unemployment generation and poverty accentuation.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
December 6th, 2006 at 7:45 amWell I think outsourceing and offshoring are playing some role and cost cutting, unemployment generation and poverty accentuation.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
December 6th, 2006 at 7:46 amI think offshoring and outspourcing played traunt.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
December 6th, 2006 at 7:47 am#139 criticalthinker
For those who deny Bill Gates and Microsoft’s innovation, and talk about how much better the Linux and Mac operating systems are, lets see you write business applications that have to do the above tasks, and then come back and tell me how much “better†your experience is!
Since Microsoft established a monopoly, they were able to make it far more difficult for people to write business software for other operating systems. That’s the problem. Microsoft doesn’t like to have to compete. They like to force people to use their products. It’s not that MS is all bad. It’s just that they try so hard to make it impossible for you to pick and choose and maybe try somebody else’s software. With the various brands of Unix, the OS vendors don’t insist that you buy only their brand of application software. Sun, HP, and IBM all make it possible for application vendors to write code that works with their OS. They work together on patches to help make the applications work and to keep them from breaking other apps. With Windows, you can install an app and watch it break the other apps on your machine, and MS doesn’t see it as their problem.
I’ve always been amazed at the managers who will put in all Windows servers and then put up with the lousy performance, lousy security, and lousy support they get for their critical business apps. I’ve seen companies experience daily Windows server problems where the support they got from Microsoft consisted of being told to reboot the servers every day. MS didn’t offer a fix, they just offered a way to make the failures go away temporarily. And managers put up with it, because their CYA is to say that they’re doing exactly what MS told them to do, as if it’s just the way things have to be.
In the meantime, I’ve got Unix and Linux servers that would go without rebooting for years if it weren’t for the occasional OS upgrade. In fact, I’ve got some Linux boxes that have been running for well over a year without having been rebooted. No blue screens. No memory leaks. Just solid performance.
What difference does it make that you can write great business apps for Windows if the business that uses them is suffering from server outages and security holes?
December 6th, 2006 at 9:58 amIt’s time for the MAXIMUM wage! Let’s say $1 million a year. If that person somehow cannot manage on that amount of money, then they should be offered the same options they propose for those laboring at minumim wages who cannot make ends meet.
If $1 million per annum isn’t enough to live on, then perhaps one should get another job to make up the difference, or learn to live within his or her means.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:54 amWhen did Cavuto get a Ph.D, in Economics? This is the same asshole who was ranting about the movie “Happy Feet”. He needs to be smacked over the head and sent back to his cave.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:08 am#138 – Juan C,
December 6th, 2006 at 11:25 amEvery Tuesday, the New York Times carries a Science section. Every once in a while, they cover Human evolution and development as a topic. That is where I pick up on the topic most of the time. I do not know of a current book on the subject as the Human Genome Project is starting to fill out the canvas. Some time in November, there was an extensive article. There was also an article on the location of DNA fragments from Neanderthal man in Homo Sapiens today. Some of these fragments were in monoclonal DNA which would indicate that females were involved.
On Fox news being charged with lying is a badge of honor.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:42 amRichest tenth own 85% of world’s assets
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2488836,00.html
Here’s an idea. Let’s give ‘em more and more and more and they’ll perhaps burst and the trickle down effect will actually work.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:44 amFrom each according to his means. To each according to his needs. Wait a minute – we tried that. Never mind. — Karl Marx
*********************
Actually, that’s not quite true. That’s what several countries have claimed to have tried, but the truth is that the people who hold power in these countries — just as in other countries with other forms of government — twisted and corrupted that principle to benefit themselves at the expense of others. The fact is most theoretical models of government including communism would probably function reasonably successfully were it not for one persistent and seemingly inescapable fly in the ointment — human nature, particularly the tendency towards justification and rationalization of one’s own unethical actions in the single-minded pursuit of self-interest. (If you don’t believe me, take a class in social psychology sometime — there are many studies demonstrating that human beings are nowhere nearly as ethical, trustworthy, or even civilized as we’d like to believe). You see this time and time again, and not just within dictatorships but also within governments which permit and even encourage a great deal of freedom — it’s so pervasive that corruption in politics seems virtually inevitable. To my way of thinking, one of the truest axioms about politics is the famous quote by Lord Acton that “power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely” — in fact, I’m inclined to agree with the late Douglas Adams that those people who are most eager to rule people should on no account be allowed to do the job.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:49 amTake a second look at that chart.
It shows clearly that the pace of the imbalance slows markedly when Democrats are in control and surges markedly when Republicans are in control.
Another thing that makes matters worse is population growth. 1% in 2006 is 50% more people than in 1962. This means that the concentration of wealth is even more pronounced than what the chart indicates because of delution of the base 1%. 1% of the 1962 based should be compare to .67% of the 2006 base for statistical comparison purposes.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:57 amBrother, Can You Spare a Dime?
December 6th, 2006 at 12:05 pmThey used to tell me I was building a dream
And so I followed the mob.
When there was earth to plow or guns to bear,
I was always there, right on the job.
They used to tell me I was building a dream
With peace and glory ahead —
Why should I be standing in line, just waiting for bread?
Once I built a railroad, I made it run,
Made it race against time.
Once I built a railroad, now it’s done —
Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once I built a tower, up to the sun,
brick and rivet and lime.
Once I built a tower, now it’s done —
Brother, can you spare a dime?
Once in khaki suits, gee, we looked swell
Full of that Yankee Doodle-de-dum.
Half a million boots went slogging through hell,
And I was the kid with the drum.
Say, don’t you remember they called me Al,
It was Al all the time.
Why don’t you remember, I’m your pal —
Say, buddy, can you spare a dime?
Once in khaki suits, ah, gee, we looked swell
Full of that Yankee Doodle-de-dum.
Half a million boots went slogging through hell,
And I was the kid with the drum.
Say, don’t you remember they called me Al,
It was Al all the time.
Why don’t you remember, I’m your pal —
Buddy, can you spare a dime?
That goddamned little Cavuto needs to be beaten up. To think there are a bunch of halfwit, mouth-breathing, knuckle-draggers out there that would listen to his parsimonious and effeminate lies and believe them, vs. the word of a world-class economist and likely Nobel candidate…..if Cavuto were a lefty, someone prominent would already have started the hatemail campaign and published his home address, while obliquely suggesting that someone “do something about this guy”….
December 6th, 2006 at 12:18 pmSuuuure, and the Devil has every right of claiming God to be evil.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:42 pmDear Unbelievable, I enjoy alot of your posts, and it is UNBELIEVABLE what I come up against here in SC. And I’m a southern boy. I’ve always said that the thought processing here was akind to a 3 inch pecker. It may work around here, but you can’t take it on the road….
December 6th, 2006 at 1:44 pmRe “earning” vs being born into wealth:
December 6th, 2006 at 2:24 pmBoth are wrong. Why should *anybody* make 190 times what someone else does??? Isn’t twice as much enough? Three times? What number would you settle on if you had to assign salaries to yourself and your neighbor?
you don’t have to be snide. You have to be factual.
It would be nice if the FauxNews crew followed their own advice. Specially after accusing someone of lying without providing as much as a shred of evidence. Just their word. And we all know how much Cavuto’s word is worth.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:43 pmRe#149 chimpeach
My business like MILLIONS of other businesses can and do use Windows without security holes and our systems going down, because we take the time to PROPERLY SECURE and CONFIGURE our Windows environments!
Because Windows has to work for both technical and non-technical users, its DEFAULT mode is not SECURE, but can be made secure, because I have NEVER suffered from a virus, trojan, worm, root kit infection nor the need to “reboot” my computer constantly ever since Windows NT came out!
I have used IBM MVS, IBM VM, Mac OS, Solaris, and many other flavors of UNIX and if they are not PROPERLY SECURED and CONFIGURED they can and are exposed to security exploits also.
People buy computers for the APPLICATIONS they run, and not OPERATING SYSTEMS and that is why Windows owns 90% of the market and will continue to do so for may years in the future.
If you wrote software for a living like myself, you would understand why Unix and Linux are good for server applications, but bad for the MILLIONS of client applications running in businesses, because of the lack of DDE, OLE Automation, and the Win32 API.
Did Bill Gates play rough with Microsoft’s monopoly position, yes!
Did Bill Gates and Microsoft’s revolutionize and innovate business application programming, yes!
I just take exception to people bashing “Windows” as not being SECURE, when the problem is that they do not know enough about Windows to SECURE their machines, and bitch about it instead of going to Microsoft’s developer website and learning HOW to SECURE their machines!
December 6th, 2006 at 3:03 pm[...] Recently Fox News’ Neil Cavuto told the New York Times’ Paul Krugman that he was “lying to people” about the very real and growing economic disparity between poor/middle-class and the rich. Neil Cavuto, in case his network wasn’t an indication, is an ultra-right conservative who is, like his comrades, monumentally dishonest and deceitful and this particular exchange serves to illustrate this quite well. CAVUTO: Here’s what I’m saying that you’re doing: You are lying to people. That’s what I think that you’re doing. [...]
December 6th, 2006 at 3:55 pm#163 – criticalthinker,
December 6th, 2006 at 4:08 pmSecure? Microsoft Security Advisory #929433 was issued today describing a vulnerability in all of its supported versions of Works and Word products. The only defense is to exercise care in bringing document files into your network. There is no real defense against a maverick bringing in a subversive file beyond having everyone enter the data center naked after a full body cavity search, including a purgative and enema. I am sure that the ACLU would have a field day if any firm tried that.
#36
“We are talking about rich people that don’t work a day in their lives.”
Oh, I totally agree kinda like the biggest free loader of them all…John Kerry. LOL!
December 6th, 2006 at 5:31 pmwinniethe pooh said,
“Economic Policy Institute
Who?
Never heard of them.”
Your name says it all, you ARE an ignoramous. ‘EPI is a nonprofit, nonpartisan think tank that seeks to broaden the public debate about strategies to achieve a prosperous and fair economy.’ http://www.epinet.org/
Go Educate yourself…..
December 6th, 2006 at 5:31 pm#38
“No, I am not leaving my kids anything, just like my parents aren’t leaving me anything. Because that is the way it should be.”
According to who? You? You’re nobody.
“Because you are part of the entitlement culture.”
There is a big difference between a family member giving you money than the government confiscating it, i.e. stealing it and giving it to others as THEY see fit.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:40 pmre#165 WaltTheMan
I repeat, if you do not write computer programs for a living, you DO NOT understand how to SECURE a Windows System!
I DO NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THIS ADVISORY BECAUSE:
1. Word Basic, Macros, Templates, and all EXECUTABLE options are turned OFF, for ALL MY USERS and they can only be turned on for documents that are entered via our LOCAL NETWORK and only if the EXECUTABLE code is deemed SAFE and the USER has a NEED to make a “data file” behave like an “executable file”.
2. ALL MY USERS run under restricted accounts and cannot install programs nor can they access FOLDERS for which they do not have explicit permissions.
3. ALL MY WEB SERVERS run under restricted accounts and cannot install programs nor can they access FOLDERS for which they do not have explicit permissions.
4. MY DATABASE SERVERS are NEVER on the same machine as MY WEB SERVERS, and all data access requests are made through private SOCKET connections between DATABASE SERVERS and WEB SERVERS.
5. And many other “secret” things I do to MAKE MY MACHINES SECURE, including detecting the “stack and buffer overflows”, that all these exploits rely on!
“Professional programmers such as myself who rely on Windows to run our businesses, know how to turn the UNSECURE out of the box Windows into a SECURE operating system, even if “amatuers” can’t!
December 6th, 2006 at 5:42 pmIf a rich person tells you that s/he made his/her way through life thanks to hard work, be sure to ask him/her, “whose?” Cavuto is about as clueless as they come.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:47 pm#32
Up $0.25 in one month?! The the area you live must be price gouging beause here in the Dallas area the are up $0.09 from one month ago and they are up about $0.11 nationally.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:57 pm#32
http://www.northcarolinagasprices.com/
December 6th, 2006 at 5:58 pmOf course it does. If you plan on taking money from people that earn it and give it to people that don’t (redistribution) that’s wrong. I don’t care how much money the person has.
Comment by Kevin — December 5, 2006 @ 7:01 pm
So shutting down tax loopholes, corporate bailouts, offshore accounts and other ways of cheating the system is better for the economy and morally right? Instead of giving more tax credits and incentives to businesses and poeple that help the environment, middle class families, working parents, parents of disabled children, mental health workers, nurses, policemen, etc. (the people that keep our society together) you would rather reward people who find ways around the system than those that can’t afford expensive tax lawyers to look for every loophole in the law.
I’m embarassed for you.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:15 pm#59
If he gives his congressional salary to charity, what money does he use to maintain his lavish lifestyle? He’s not a poor man by any stretch.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:15 pm#80
“Men who want to dominate other Alpha males, because they need to compensate for small weiners or repressed homosexuality.”
Now how would you know about their genitals unless you have been down there on a few of them?
December 6th, 2006 at 6:25 pm#86
With no net gain to show for it? Sad.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:27 pm[...] Watch Video [...]
December 6th, 2006 at 7:24 pmA couple of years ago, Greenspan suggested that adjustable rate mortgages were a great idea. At the same time, Paul Krugman wrote an article that said he didn’t know what Greenspan was talking about, but he was getting a fixed. Krugman suggested anyone in his position owning a home get a fixed. I hope every conservative with an ajustible mortgage remembers next year who was lying to them and who was telling the truth. It’s going to be a bloody year for homeowners.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:45 pmThe “income redistribution” that Kevin is talking about is called a graduated income tax. It has been around for a long time and hasn’t damaged the rich as far as I can see. In fact, when Clinton raised the upper tax level to 36% (which is lower than in any other first world country) he was able to balance the budget and spark the economy so thoroughly that the middle class flourished and the rich never knew a more vibrant economic era. America bloomed and the CBO said that, with Clinton’s surplus, the debt would be eliminated by 2008… thereby eliminating a 300 billion per year debt service that would have made a nice tax cut for all.
Bush crushed all that with his tax break for the rich. Now the surplus is gone, the budget is completely out of control, the middle class is stagnating and by 2008, the debt will be over 8 trillion dollars (really, more like 14 trill). The debt service is now in the 400 billion per annum range and the dollar is as weak as it has been in 20 years.
Meanwhile the government is bailing out or simply paying corporations (see airlines, big pharma, big oil, and big tobacco) and are trying to give billions to Wall Street from Social Security. Bush crony war profiteers are literally making out like bandits with no bid contracts and Kevin seems to think this is all hunky dory. After all, the rich earned those government windfalls.
Meanwhile the alternative minimum tax has just been ignored and a further burden will fall on the upper middle class while the rich have their inherited dividends taxed at the lowest level of all.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:40 am[...] Cavuto to Krugman: ‘You Are Lying To People’, ThinkProgress: Princeton economist and New York Times columnist Paul Krugman went on Fox News this afternoon to talk about his new article in Rolling Stone Magazine, “How the Super-Rich Are Screwing America.†[...]
December 7th, 2006 at 4:06 amKrugman thinks of himself as an ermine, I think of him as a weasel. All weasel wants to do is take away from the wealthy and give to the poor. They don’t have to earn, just give it to them. All the time he ignores us people who are on fixed income. The last few years things have been great for the fixed income group, but weasel wants to monkey around and get inflation rolling and in the process bury us old timers. Weasel may be a college professor but he is totally ignorant about economics. He doesn’t live in the real world.
Kenneth R. Server
December 7th, 2006 at 9:31 pm[...] *gasp* How dare you. Anchors like Neil Cavuto are a national treasure. He once got caught picking his nose and eating it on the air, but so what? …Okay, maybe he didn’t, but that’s just as true as the creative insights he offers every day, and look how exciting they are! We win on entertainment. [...]
December 9th, 2006 at 9:48 amkrugman finally exposed! i LOVE It.
what an asshole he is. THe NYT embarrasses themselves every time they publish him.
December 12th, 2006 at 9:00 pm[...] Transcript by Think Progress: CAVUTO: Here’s what I’m saying that you’re doing: You are lying to people. That’s what I think that you’re doing. [...]
December 14th, 2006 at 4:33 pmAmazing – whenever I read ‘debate’ on sites in the US [disclosure I am a Brit living and working here]; it amazes me that the debate is always dominated by emotional vitriol. Even the political television debate.
Why are the FACTS never examined?
If Krugman is right – then what I see daily is true, that the middle-class, who are the backbone of every democratic society, appears to be dissapearing. Is the USA going to land up like another Brazil (or God Forbid – apartheid South Africa)?
If Cavuto is right, then Krugman should start to dessiminate real data ala Patrick Moynihan.
But, irrespective, while people are name-calling and behaving like chimps at a feeding frenzy – I guess the real import of this debate will be lost – and we will have idiots on both sides of the ideological aisle elected.
And the young men and women of this country will have to clean up the mess.
January 10th, 2007 at 12:53 pm