Pundit Attacking Muslim Congressman Is Bush Appointee to Holocaust Memorial Board
Pundit Attacking Muslim Congressman Is Bush Appointee to Holocaust Memorial Board
Right-wing talk show host Dennis Prager has raised a firestorm charging that Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, must swear in using a Bible. He said that if Ellison swears in with a Quran, it would “undermin[e] American civilization” and be akin to swearing in with a copy of Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.”
Prager is not a typical talk radio host. In September, he was appointed by President Bush to a five-year term on the taxpayer-funded United States Holocaust Memorial Council. A statement announcing Prager’s appointment praised his “unique moral voice.”
Yesterday, the Council on American Islamic Relations called on Prager to be removed from this position:
No one who holds such bigoted, intolerant and divisive views should be in a policymaking position at a taxpayer-funded institution that seeks to educate Americans about the destructive impact hatred has had, and continues to have, on every society. As a presidential appointee, Prager’s continued presence on the council would send a negative message to Muslims worldwide about America’s commitment to religious tolerance.
Likewise, the Anti-Defamation League, a group battling anti-Semitism and other bigotry, issued a statement calling Prager’s views “intolerant,” “misinformed on the facts,” and “downright un-American.”
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And….he’s an asshole.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:24 pmLikewise, the Anti-Defamation League, a group battling anti-Semitism and other bigotry, issued a statement calling Prager’s views “intolerant,†“misinformed on the facts,†and “downright un-American.â€
How can I top that? I am getting tired of his picture. Is this the picture we will see in the dictionary under moron?
December 5th, 2006 at 4:25 pmMy goodness, what the hell is wrong with people these days?
December 5th, 2006 at 4:27 pmAll this fighting over who has the better imaginary friend.
When will these people grow up and realize that all religion is bogus and “god” is just a metaphor for the natural bond humans have with each other?
People that take the Bible or any other “holy book” seriously are seriously delusional.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:29 pmMy favorite part is that the swearing in doesn’t use a bible, Koran, or otherwise holy book. However, the photo-op afterwards quite often does, so these complaints are based off of how he chooses to do his photo-op.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:30 pmI imagine him facing a room full of empty chairs….
December 5th, 2006 at 4:31 pmHere’s what the ADL said about him:
Prager presents intolerant, ugly views. His comparison of Ellison’s desire to “choose his favorite book†to that of the right of a racist elected to public office to use Hitler’s Mein Kampf is outrageous. If Prager were merely a blogger and radio talk-show host trying to be relevant and provocative, these views might not merit a response. But as a newly-appointed member of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, Prager and his views must be held to a higher standard.
They should call for his removal, too.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:31 pmAll this fighting over who has the better imaginary friend.
When will these people grow up and realize that all religion is bogus and “god†is just a metaphor for the natural bond humans have with each other?
People that take the Bible or any other “holy book†seriously are seriously delusional.
Comment by RantingTommy — December 5, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
Once you become born again, you’ll understand the true meaning and purpose of the King James Bible.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:34 pmPrager when sworn in should place his hand on a box of Summer’s Eve douchebags.
-GSD
December 5th, 2006 at 4:35 pmHow come its always a white old man that talks like this?
December 5th, 2006 at 4:36 pmYES he should be removed from the council!
December 5th, 2006 at 4:36 pmHello! America was founded on freedom of religion!
It’s that simple. Freedom of religion MUST include
even those religions you disagree with.
To question his right to use a Koran is UN-American!
Shame on Prager.
Instead of swearing on the bible, which is wrong, how about mandating newly elected Congressional/Senatorial members to get down on there knees and pray to god, and to promise him that they’ll make conscience decisions based on the word of God, hmmmm. Jesus, there must be a change within our government officials.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:38 pmTake the Lord’s name in vain much, Daryll?
They’re elected government officials, not deacons.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:41 pmDaryll,
Why are you even bothering with us “Wordly People”?
We’re all going to burn in Hell, right?
Please, peddle religion elsewhere, Mr. Master of Your Domain.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:42 pmOnce you become born again, you’ll understand the true meaning and purpose of the King James Bible.
Comment by Daryll
The King had a wild hair…?
December 5th, 2006 at 4:42 pmI wonder if he would demand the same from a jewish, or hindu politician. I also don’t see what the bible has to do with it. If I as a Christian was told to swear in on a Koran, I would be a little peeved.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:42 pmOnce you become born again, you’ll understand the true meaning and purpose of the King James Bible.
If you understood the true meaning they you would not support the GOP
December 5th, 2006 at 4:43 pm**banging head on desk**
December 5th, 2006 at 4:43 pmhow about mandating newly elected Congressional/Senatorial members to get down on there knees and pray to god…
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
Because not everyone who holds public office is as freakish as you are. Besides last time I checked we don’t have a state religion.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:44 pmSo much for separation of church and state. I didn’t think that they actually sweared on the Bible or to God. I thought they swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. What did I miss and when did I miss it?
December 5th, 2006 at 4:45 pm#12 – “Jesus, there must be a change within our government officials. ”
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
Daryll, your prayers were answered in November! The intollerant and vituperate Republicans were removed and the Democrats reached the majority party!
Don’t forget, it was Rep. Mark Foley that wanted to see people on their knees, but it was for a completely different reason. That’s Republican values for you.
As the First Amendment states, there shall be NO established religion, and nobody should interfere with the right of people (including elected officials) from praying to the being of their choice.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:45 pmPlease, peddle religion elsewhere, Mr. Master of Your Domain.
Comment by trueblue
That’s some tough talk, missy…
December 5th, 2006 at 4:47 pmBottom line, the guy is afraid of the muslim congressmen. The ignorant white man is fearful of someone who does not look just like him. Its that simple, sorry, but it is. We dress up these simple responses with so much sophisticated bullshit, and convince ourselves its all about the bullshit that was created. The guy is afraid.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:47 pm**banging head on desk**
Thats some fine typing if it really occurred while acquiring head trauma.
Wait, if your lying about this, what else are you lying about?
December 5th, 2006 at 4:47 pmHmm….Intolerent, Ignorant, false sence of moral superiority: typical Bush appointee. History will show how radical this group is, if we have one to look back with.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:48 pmbigot n. One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
You might be a bigot if…
December 5th, 2006 at 4:48 pmIf you believe in a Christian God and are antagonistic to those who don’t.
If you believe in a Muslim Allah and are antagonistic to those who don’t.
If you believe there is no god and are antagonistic to those who don’t.
Once you become born again, you’ll understand the true meaning and purpose of the King James Bible.
Daryll
That’s funny – I haven’t been born again (yet) but I already understand: it’s so pinheads like you can troll blogs like this and act as if you know something we don’t. Hallelujah.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:49 pmIgnoranceIsNotBliss
I didn’t think that they actually sweared on the Bible or to God. I thought they swore to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America. What did I miss and when did I miss it?
They don’t, but afterwards there is a repeat of the swearing in for photo-op type purposes, and they will often use a bible in one of those.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:49 pmExactly.
It was written to control the masses.
You are aware that King James used to have sex with his mother right?
No! The you need some more history lessons you whacko.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:51 pmFrom all the posts and blogs I’ve read on this situation, I’ve yet to see anyone comment yet that Prager proposes that the Bible is ‘American.’ As a Born-Again Christian, I believe that Christ dies for everyone, not just 21st American Republicans. Or just Americans. Whatever. How is a book — whether you believe is was written by divine inspiriation or not — written 2000-3000 years ago uniquely American? Prager is looking to stir up the pot, get some ratings, et. al. It worked. I believe I read that the American Family Association (or some ubiquously named organization along that line) has said they will call for and support a plan that requires all members of Congress to swear in on a Holy Bible. Okay. Why? Why would I want someone who doesn’t share the same faith as mine to swear on Text I consider Holy? It’s as though I’m forcing my faith on them. Will that win me a soul for Heaven? I’m doubtful. It’s like Intelligent Design(ID). As a Believer, I find ID offensive. Know why I believe the Earth was created in 7 days? Not because of some ‘being in the sky.’ No. I believe that because the Bible tells me so and I trust through faith what the Bible tells me. ID takes away what I believe through faith and tells me there might possibly be something out there. Maybe it’s even God! What’s scientific about that? What happens when you get to the end of the universe? What’s on the other side? It’s left to faith. In summary, I’m really tired of Republicans exploiting my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:51 pmI’ve e-mailed this article to my entire address book.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:51 pmWe have to get this story out, please e-mail it to everyone you know.
Prager can NOT be allowed to get away with this!
#12 Daryll
how about mandating newly elected Congressional/Senatorial members to get down on there knees and pray to god
Is that what you think God wants? God wants everyone to be forced to get down on their knees and pray to him as a condition of serving in public office? Geez, Daryll, I don’t even believe in God and I think better of him than that.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:51 pmMore Government financed ‘news’.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:51 pmBecause this isn’t a Christian nation you stupid fu*k.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:52 pmBad mood, Zooey.
It’s just that religion has nothing whatsoever to do with our representatives.
I’m tired of it being crammed down our throats that if we don’t ‘praise Jesus’, we’re unAmerican. And that we can’t hold office.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:52 pmIt’s stupid.
grrr…..
:(
“Once you become born again, you’ll understand the true meaning and purpose of the King James Bible.”
Please stop with the bs. No one gets born again. That phrase is nothing but a smoke screen for being a christian. What about the versions made before King James? They don’t count? King James must then have been another prophet. All praise to King James.
Once you realize the truth about religion, you’ll understand why religion is the greatest waste of time, money and human beings that has every been invented.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:53 pmInstead of swearing on the bible, which is wrong, how about mandating newly elected Congressional/Senatorial members to get down on there [sic] knees….
Daryll
Attention! All new Members: assume the *Ted Haggard* position!
December 5th, 2006 at 4:54 pmIf you’re born again, do you have two belly buttons?
December 5th, 2006 at 4:54 pmIf the swearing-in procedure involved eating barbecue pork, then the muslim congressman should eat barbecue pork. Just play by the same rules as everybody else congressman and everything will be fine. Then you can get to work taking money out of my pocket and giving it to someone who didn’t do anything to deserve it.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:55 pmYou ever work on Sunday Darryll? ‘Cause if so, the Bible says that you should be put to death.
No equivocation, no wiggle room.
But you can’t do it yourself, because suicide is also verboten. Give one of the other braindead trolls a call, maybe you could organize a Kool-Aid party and off yourselves together.
Left Behind Again and Mini Aphro are cordially invited.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:55 pmKing James’ mom must have been pretty hot for him to cross that line. He was a king, he could have had almost anyone.
Just kidding for those who are too monotone to get it. It was probably some function of a phucked up royal family, King James’ family.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:55 pmBEST post here
December 5th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Best post here…All this fighting over who has the better imaginary friend.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:56 pm#12 – “Jesus, there must be a change within our government officials. â€
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
Daryll, your prayers were answered in November! The intollerant and vituperate Republicans were removed and the Democrats reached the majority party!
Don’t forget, it was Rep. Mark Foley that wanted to see people on their knees, but it was for a completely different reason. That’s Republican values for you.
As the First Amendment states, there shall be NO established religion, and nobody should interfere with the right of people (including elected officials) from praying to the being of their choice.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — December 5, 2006 @ 4:45 pm
No a change hasn’t happened because you atheistic liberals have taken over the House and Senate to spew unrighteous, unethical and immoral bills.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:57 pmYikes,
my understanding, is those like daryll believe that the King James is the only english version of the bible to be touched or approved by god. For the longest time, the bible was in Latin, and services in churches we likewise conducted in Latin.
That is to the best of my knowledge, the driving force behind daryll’s statement.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:58 pmThe people who don’t believe in God seem to know him/her better than those who are all about God. God is not vengeful, or spiteful. God does not destroy entire cities because of butt-sex. God wants you to do whatever you want to do. God just wants us to create new experiences. He does not even judge the evil-doers. We have assigined “good” vs “evil” to things, not God. This whole thing came down from primitive people who did not have an understanding of thier world, so they made shit up.
December 5th, 2006 at 4:58 pmI just hope God grades on a curve…
December 5th, 2006 at 5:00 pmScottDrakeISU
Further, Christians are not some homogenous group who all believe the same thing in lock-step. For example, you stated that you believe the world was created in seven days. As a Christian, I don’t. I think it took millions of years, as science states. I also don’t believe in a literal Adam and Eve, Noah and his Ark, or many of the other teaching stories of the Bible. But, I am still a Christian, and that rules my spiritual self.
I’m also an American and that rules my social, material self. Like Thomas Jefferson said, I don’t care what anyone else believes as long as I am free to believe what I want. And I respect that right in others as well.
Prager and his lot are poor representatives of faith and of America.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:00 pmI saw him on telivision trying to navigate himself thru hate by trying to look like he cares about the Constitution and America…The storm of the Bible’ oath started by a guy who is not even a Christian…that tells you what he is after…nothing but smearing the Congressman simply because he is a Moslem…..The criticism is not because of the fresh Congressman work performance(he didn’t start yet)..but rather on his oath…I am sick of this guy….and people like him are nothing but begots. Just assume the elected Congressman was an athiest..so what are you going to do buddy? hang an elected man up because he does not agree with your dogmatic beliefs….?!!
December 5th, 2006 at 5:01 pmInstead of swearing on the bible, which is wrong, how about mandating newly elected Congressional/Senatorial members to get down on there knees and pray to god, and to promise him that they’ll make conscience decisions based on the word of God, hmmmm. Jesus, there must be a change within our government officials.
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
Because this isn’t a Christian nation you stupid fu*k.
Comment by SpudgeBoy — December 5, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
Per the bible, it should be, and please refrain from using obscenities toward a man of God. When you harm me, you harm God because I am his child.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:01 pmNEEDS REPEATED:
bigot n. One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
You might be a bigot if…
If you believe in a Christian God and are antagonistic to those who don’t.
If you believe in a Muslim Allah and are antagonistic to those who don’t.
If you believe there is no god and are antagonistic to those who don’t.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — December 5, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
thanks, PLC…
December 5th, 2006 at 5:01 pmWhy do you guys keep missing the point. The law does not require use of any religous books, period.
Is this a case of if we say “swear in on the Bible” enough times people will come to accept it as a law and forget what the real law is?
December 5th, 2006 at 5:01 pmBut, but, but — Bush is a uniter, not a divider. He has said so himself.
Surely the media is not quoting this man correctly.
Yeah, right.
Justice Alito is probably proud of this man as they are cut out of the same cloth.
Just look at the jib of his jaw. How can anybody be against this person. It is beginning to look like everybody Bush name is a nut job. And you can include Bolton in this not so unique club of Bush people.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:02 pm#39 Cynicon Implant
Just play by the same rules as everybody else congressman and everything will be fine.
I think we’ve already established that that’s exactly what he was going to do.
Then you can get to work taking money out of my pocket and giving it to someone who didn’t do anything to deserve it.
You mean like KBR?
December 5th, 2006 at 5:03 pmYou should see the Nativity scene at my house Darryl, you want to talk about immoral and unethical.
Depravity and bestiality, and one mangy Jesus, all in one scene.
It’s a myth. They are all different myths, imaginary friends, leprechauns and gods. You need to get past it.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:03 pmYou ever work on Sunday Darryll? ‘Cause if so, the Bible says that you should be put to death.
No equivocation, no wiggle room.
But you can’t do it yourself, because suicide is also verboten. Give one of the other braindead trolls a call, maybe you could organize a Kool-Aid party and off yourselves together.
Left Behind Again and Mini Aphro are cordially invited.
Comment by nanlichi — December 5, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
No, our Government client isn’t open on Sundays. I would have declined employment with this firm if I knew I had to work Saturdays (that’s the actual Sabbath day).
December 5th, 2006 at 5:04 pm#44 – “No a change hasn’t happened because you atheistic liberals have taken over the House and Senate to spew unrighteous, unethical and immoral bills. ” Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:57 pm
Just goes to show that Daryll doesn’t know anything about the people with whom he disagrees. I am a Christian, Daryll.
By the way, God answered MY prayers! “Dear Lord, please show the GOP that they do not have a permenant lock on the majority party.”
By the way, which one do you think is worse: no faith or false faith?
The GOP has false faith, based on comparing their words to their actions.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:04 pm“you atheistic liberals have taken over the House and Senate to spew unrighteous, unethical and immoral bills. ”
You mean like raising the minimum wage so that people who work hard, and their children, can survive, however modestly?
Besides, who you callin’ “Atheist”? That’s a bit prejudiced don’t you think? Not to mention how, before the Nov. elections, that it was G-d’s will that Republicans hold the majority of Congress. I asked you if it would also be G-d’s will when the Democrats took over and you never responded. I would like a response now given the new context.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:06 pmNow we know what a Jewish nazi is.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:06 pm#50 – “When you harm me, you harm God because I am his child. ” Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
Well that’s the pot calling the kettle back, isn’t it Daryll??
You’re more than willing to harm me with your harsh words, and I’m a child of God, therefore you’re harming God yourself with your calumny!
December 5th, 2006 at 5:06 pm#44 Daryll
No a change hasn’t happened because you atheistic liberals have taken over the House and Senate to spew unrighteous, unethical and immoral bills.
First of all, there probably isn’t a single atheist among them. Most of the Dems are Christians. And since they won, you might want to ask God why. Maybe you didn’t pray hard enough, Daryll. Maybe you’re the one who’s been impure or who’s misinterpreted the will of God.
Time for serious soul-searching, my friend.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:08 pmNo a change hasn’t happened because you atheistic liberals have taken over the House and Senate to spew unrighteous, unethical and immoral bills. Comment by Daryll
Where in your Christian belief system are you granted the arrogance to make such a vile, hateful, dishonest statement as this? I am a proud liberal but I’m not atheist. Laws may not be sacred but that does not automatically make them immoral. You don’t know what you are talking about.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:08 pm#50,
Can you call your dad and ask how he likes all the Iraqis that we sent up to him? We should get clarity on this before we decided to send up a few million Iranians to join them.
Wouldn’t want to piss the old man off.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:08 pmDaryll,
Jehovah’s Witness or Seventh Day Adventist?
December 5th, 2006 at 5:09 pmDennis Prager wants to force members of Congress to swear on a Bible.
This is a religious test for public office and is unconstitutional.
Prager is against the Constitution. That makes him a TRAITOR.
Get a rope.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:09 pmthere is one thing about this “swearing in” that ought to be promoted, DEMANDED, actually…
idea from randi rhodes (i always like to give credit where it’s due)…
any time any elected official makes any official statement regarding the policy of the government and how if affects the governed – that official should be sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth…
actually, randi opines that anyone giving any official statement while the seal of the president or other elected official is displayed should also be sworn to the truth… that would include the snowjob and other such notables…
it would be a start…
December 5th, 2006 at 5:09 pm#46 ForTruth
The people who don’t believe in God seem to know him/her better than those who are all about God.
The best Christians I’ve ever known were Buddhists.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#58 – “I asked you if it would also be G-d’s will when the Democrats took over and you never responded.” Comment by June — December 5, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
Since Daryll isn’t man enough to respond to your polite question, June, I will:
Yes! Yes, it was the will of God that Republicans lost the majority status from their mendacity and their continued lack of ethics. I’m sure that Daryll will agree with me that God had a hand in returning the Democrats to the Majority. God was just responding to the majority of prayers that the GOP be shown the door!
December 5th, 2006 at 5:10 pmAustin truly SUCKS! For those of you who know him, you know whatI’m talkin’ bout.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:12 pmI say we protest anyone who is white and believes in Jesus who is elected to office. Check out these stats:
“In the 10 years since the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing killed 168 people, roughly 60 right-wing terrorist plots have been uncovered in the United States, according to an upcoming report by the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project. The plots, all foiled by law enforcement, reportedly included violent plans by antigovernment militia groups, racist skinhead organizations, and Ku Klux Klan members to use various types of chemical bombs and other weapons.”
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050712/12natsec.htm
That’s right, SIXTY PLOTS! How can we trust these crazy white dudes?
December 5th, 2006 at 5:12 pm#50 – “When you harm me, you harm God because I am his child. †Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
We are all children of God, we just have different paths to reach him.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:12 pmYou know,
the sad this is that in ARAB countries, in which the majority is Muslim (like Jordan, Syria, and Egypt) Christian members of the parliament are sworn in with their hand on the BIBLE.
If we can’t achieve that level of tolerance, then we should not introduce democracy in the middle east.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:13 pmZooey, that’s exactly what I was thinking, has to be one of those two.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:13 pmPer the bible, it should be [America a Christian nation], and please refrain from using obscenities toward a man of God. When you harm me, you harm God because I am his child….Comment by Daryll
No, the Bible does not call on America or any nation to be a Christian nation. And maybe you should take your own advice and quit “harming” other children of God by your comments (example, “atheistic liberal”), hypocrite.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:14 pmHas anyone read Prager’s latest (I think) article about this?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18328
Talk about reaching…he says Ellison is anti-American if he doesn’t bring a Bible along with him for his swearing in because it’s an American tradition dating back to George Washington. Totally ridiculous.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:15 pm#56 Daryll
How about shellfish, Daryll? Ever eat shellfish? It’s an abomination. Ever wear wool and cotton at the same time? See ya in Hell, buddy.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:15 pmSixty terrorist plots by Reich Wingnuts.
Of course, you don’t hear this in the Corporate Media because the Chimpy Regime does not want you to hear about it.
In Repuke Bizzaro World, Reich wingnuts are the good guys, not the terrorists.
In the REAL world, Reich wingnuts often ARE terrorists.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:15 pmDaryll is still talking to his imaginary friends. God is a rumor – no more, no less. There is no such literal event as “to be born again”. It is nonsense. It is used by people whose lives are so horribly messed up that they have to resort to hope in a higher power so they can continue to live day after day. Born again is used by alcoholics, wife beaters, drug takers, criminals, politicians, losers as a way to create a “do over” of their behavior up to that point. After they are born again, they start to screw up once more. Daryll is to be commended for leaving his hideous past and becoming born again. I think it is admirable. But sir, if you hadn’t screwed up your life (or the lives of your loved ones) you wouldn’t have to be born again – as once would have been enough. Quick question: if there is only one true bible (word of God), why would King James have written one also? Did King James re-write God’s words or did King James just make stuff up? I am confused about this part of the biblical history.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:16 pm#58 – “I asked you if it would also be G-d’s will when the Democrats took over and you never responded.†Comment by June — December 5, 2006 @ 5:06 pm
Since Daryll isn’t man enough to respond to your polite question, June, I will:
Yes! Yes, it was the will of God that Republicans lost the majority status from their mendacity and their continued lack of ethics. I’m sure that Daryll will agree with me that God had a hand in returning the Democrats to the Majority. God was just responding to the majority of prayers that the GOP be shown the door!
Comment by Democrat Soldier — December 5, 2006 @ 5:10 pm
A democratic win is prepartion for the rapture.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:16 pmI’m watching you Daryll… I’m watching you!
Why don’t you crawl into a hole with a dictionary and you can rebirth yourself again when you’ve grown an adult size brain.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:17 pmHe’s a typical Christian Fascist. May he will get a great idea and head to Iraq to uplift and Christianize the insurgents.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:18 pmYes! Yes, it was the will of God that Republicans lost the majority status from their mendacity and their continued lack of ethics. I’m sure that Daryll will agree with me that God had a hand in returning the Democrats to the Majority. God was just responding to the majority of prayers that the GOP be shown the door!
Comment by Democrat Soldier
Either that, or evil made a comeback, because Daryll hasn’t been praying enough.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:23 pmAren’t we already behind on the rapture? Wasn’t is supposed to happen one generation after the establishment of Isreal?
December 5th, 2006 at 5:24 pmA democratic win is prepartion for the rapture.
Comment by Daryll
I know I felt rapture after the election!
Come on, Daryll. Quit while you’re behind because that’s as advanced as you’re going to get.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:24 pmA democratic win is prepartion for the rapture.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll when you talk of acceptance and peace, its good stuff, I think I can relate to you, then you go and say shit like this….
December 5th, 2006 at 5:24 pm#79,
My reading of relevant scripture and the Book of Revelations says that to anticipate, attempt to induce, or even try to predict the rapture are all considered sacrilegious. To think that you understand God is a sin of arrogance. To prop yourself up as speaking for God is a sin of vanity.
I guess I could have misinterpreted all that stuff. Or maybe it’s that you are reading the “King George” version.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:25 pmCome on, the Quran isn’t even in English
December 5th, 2006 at 5:27 pmWasn’t this whole Rapture business created about a 100 years ago by “Compartmentalists”. That evil network PBS told me so.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:27 pmSomebody should give Darryl a RUPTURE.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:27 pmIf God really is on the side of the Republicans and on America’s side in Iraq then I really think all his followers need to reconsider whether or not they’re following the right god because he sure seems to be having his ass handed to him lately.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:28 pmBenjamin,
you can get translated text of the Quran pretty easily. I had a friend, mostly an athiest, with buddhist leanings. ( Don’t ask) who had read the Quran, Koran, however you wish to spell it.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:32 pmDid G-d just delete my post? What up widdat? Perhaps it was a bit too off topic…
Prager is a jerk!! How’s that?
December 5th, 2006 at 5:36 pmI’m so glad you (Think Progress) is out there reporting on this. It doesn’t always make me feel good to read these stories, but at least it helps me to make informed decisions regarding where I place my dollars, my eyeballs and my votes.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:38 pmMatthew 5:34
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne…
Since oath-taking is forbidden, this shouldn’t be such a problem.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:39 pmDaryll when you talk of acceptance and peace, its good stuff, I think I can relate to you, then you go and say shit like this….
Comment by ForTruth — December 5, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
I’m a sympathetic person, but I’m also an objective person when pertaining to morals, values and biblical law.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:42 pmJune,
Do try to avoid the f*ck filter. :)
December 5th, 2006 at 5:42 pmActually Krazny, I’m referencing what may be the basis for this whole ‘must swear on the Bible’ thing. The Bible in question is the Christian Bible, usually King James Version in English. Since King James didn’t include the Quran, we shouldn’t swear on it and it’s not the basis of American culture. I really think American High School students should take a tour of the major world religions course. The Quran is probably better accessible as excerpts rather than as the length-descending suras you’ll find in a translation.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:43 pmMatthew 5:34
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne…
Since oath-taking is forbidden, this shouldn’t be such a problem.
Comment by montag — December 5, 2006 @ 5:39 pm
Amen, I completely agree with the scripture.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:43 pmThese clowns don’t speak for me.
-Jeebus
December 5th, 2006 at 5:43 pmDaryll,
You not only rectum, you nearly killed him.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:45 pmA democratic win is prepartion for the rapture.
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 5:16 pm
Dibs on Daryll’s X-box 360!
December 5th, 2006 at 5:45 pmMatthew 5:34
But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne…
Fu*kin’ A -!
December 5th, 2006 at 5:46 pmBenjamin,
Thanks for the clarification. I was unsure where you were going there. I took a more literal meaning to your statement.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:46 pmPrager=Asshole of the First Magnitude! It’s so large it could accommodate the Grand Canyon!
December 5th, 2006 at 5:47 pmIs it me, or does he admit that Bibles are not always present AND claim that Ellison would be the first person ever to not have a Bible there all in the same column?
Again, I’m very confused as to what sort of practicing Jew would endorse the idea that the Bible is superior, in America, to the Torah, for the purposes of swearing on. Again, this seems like a view only a Christian would intelligibly have, because only Christians believe that the New Testament somehow completes or trumps the Torah. Even if his arguments about how the nation is built on Judeo-Christian values made sense, there is still no reason for him to disagree with Jews who use only the Torah.
Also note that he’s clarified his stance: Jews who use the Torah are no longer implied to be undermining civilization. Phew! Only Muslims who use the Koran are doing that.
All at, of course, a photo-op of no official significance, which of course MAKES HIS POINT EVEN MORE VALID WOOT!
December 5th, 2006 at 5:47 pm“I had a friend, mostly an athiest, with buddhist leanings. ( Don’t ask)”
Why “don’t ask”?
I’m a stone atheist who finds much in Buddhism to admire – ask /me/, I don’t mind. :D
Haven’t gotten around to reading the Koran. Yet.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:52 pmok – don’t call it an oath, don’t swear to tell the truth…
call it a PROMISE, AFFIRMATION, PLEDGE… whatever…
i worry that daryll could OD on all the attention… really…
i also think that this:
December 5th, 2006 at 5:53 pmJesus, there must be a change within our government officials.
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
was not a prayer… daryll is a parody, and he slipped… my opinion…
…
Zooey,
LOL I was. I swear… wait, no I don’t swear.
I was simply asking Daryll if he knew that the “rapture” was first perceived by a woman in the 1800’s in response to his “A democratic win is prepartion for the rapture. ” comment.
The word “rapture” does not even appear in the Bible.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:53 pmHow DARE those ADL anti-Semites furrow their brows, stroke their beards and cluck their tongues to insult and attack such a wise, learned man as Dennis Prager, harumph, harumph, harumph
{Shakes head swiftly from side to side}
Sorry, I can’t explain how, but I was possessed by the supreme idiocy AKA David Horowitz
And Daryll, it’s obviously God’s Will that the GOP got smacked around so bad on November 7, obviously God was tired of their supreme hypocrisy on so many matters & individuals
If the GOP had not sinned greatly in God’s eyes, they’d still be keeping W away from all those pesky investigations now headed W’s way
BTW
You sound not like a Christian, but rather an Old Testamentalist, and I’ll bet you would have been the first-enthusiastically-to scourge Christ, bind him to the cross via spikes and pierce his side
Christ condemned the Pharisees and religious hypocrites of his day, he did NOT side with them to oppress already unpopular groups, say, tax collectors & lepers
And if anyone can point out where Christ condemned homosexuals or women who have had abortions, then please do share with the rest of the class, as I haven’t found those examples yet
My favorite part of the bible is Matthew 23, and it’s still as relevant when applied to the theological hucksters leading the US Taliban Wannabes as it was when condemning the Pharisees & moneychangers in the Temple
What those like Daryll just can’t admit to themselves is that there is no religion that is objectively “better” or more “legitimate” than another, no one religion has more of a grasp on Truth than any other, they’re all subjective interpretations of faith
Too Bad, So Sad
December 5th, 2006 at 5:55 pmhehe Glen,
Mostly because I don’t know exactly how it works, and I don’t have the time or the energy to explain.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:56 pmOur heavenly father, I want to thank you for giving me the complete understanding of your word to give to others. Please help liberals to understand that swearing on any wordly item is equivalent to using your name in vain. Please help our government officials to understand that they can only lead this country with you and you alone. Please save those who haven’t accepted you as their personal savior. Lord please instill morals and values into Nancy Pelosi as she takes over the Majority seat. We’ll praise you forever. In your name I pray, amen.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:59 pm“Mostly because I don’t know exactly how it works, and I don’t have the time or the energy to explain.”
That’s fair.
I was just thinking today how as an atheist I belong to one of the few groups it is pretty much universally “A-OK” to discriminate against, still. Not whining (it’s not like I go about screaming “I’m an atheist! I’m an atheist! and getting pelted with heavy volumes of scripture), just remarking.
It was “Poppy” Bush, wasn’t it, who said he wasn’t sure atheists should be allowed to be citizens?
December 5th, 2006 at 6:00 pmSo Daryll, Chimpeach had a couple of good questions for you. Shellfish? Ever had any? No lobster or crab? Never sucked the head of a crawdad? How about catfish fillets deepfried with cornmeal and flour? No?
Well how about wearing cotton and wool at the same time?
Ever cut your hair around the temples?
Because if you do any of those, you need to slash the wrists buddy.
Or do you get to pick and choose the parts of the Bible you “believe” in? If so, it’s another self-help book of suggestions and certainly not something to get your panties all bunched up over.
Or invade another country and kill ragheads because they don’t worship the same leprechaun you do.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:02 pmA while back someone wrote “well that’s the pot calling the kettle back”
December 5th, 2006 at 6:03 pmJust curious –was that a simple typo or have libs now abandoned “black” in the never ending quest for ultra tolerance?
But I say unto you: it’s up to you, to do, the Ha-Cha-Cha…
Swear not at all, unless Thou droppeth the ‘F’ bomb;
Neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne…
(hey God!! You gonna be in there all day??)
~Matthew 5:34PM
December 5th, 2006 at 6:06 pmLOL I was. I swear… wait, no I don’t swear.
I do. that’s how I know about the special filter. :)
I was simply asking Daryll if he knew that the “rapture†was first perceived by a woman in the 1800’s in response to his “A democratic win is prepartion for the rapture. †comment.
The word “rapture†does not even appear in the Bible.
Comment by June
Damn…
December 5th, 2006 at 6:07 pm“the never ending quest for ultra tolerance?”
That quest would be the equivalent of “turning the other cheek” in Christianity, I believe- although that gets almost as little attention in our society’s particular (and peculiar) version of “Christianity” as that embarrassing “turning the money changers out of the temple” incident.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:08 pm#107 katy
i also think that this:
Jesus, there must be a change within our government officials.
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:38 pm
was not a prayer… daryll is a parody, and he slipped… my opinion…
…
I wonder about that myself. But, then again, I’ve noticed over the years that the ones who present themselves as the ‘holiest of the holy’ don’t tend to stick too close to scripture, even though they like to quote passages, and often seem to ad lib.
He might really believe what he’s saying, but when he gets called on a contradiction, he jumps the track.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:13 pmWhere do these people come from? Has this dip ever met Keith Ellison? Does this guy have a clue how bigoted he sounds? We went to Iraq to ‘bring democracy’ to the region but we pick and choose how our democracy will occur here at home. I can’t wait until these creeps are history.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:15 pm#111 Daryll,
I don’t think that “Thou shalt not use the lord’s name in vain” means what you think it means. You seem like a nice enough fellow but all the hypocritical preaching is a bit much. If I understand you correctly, you say:
Thou shall not kill (unless you are killing Arabs, Palestinian, Muslim, African, or Asian, and then it’s a free for all)
Thou shall honor thy mother and father (unless they are liberals or democrats, then its okay to kill them if you must)
Thall shall not covet thy neighbor’s wife or possessions (unless you REALLY want them and then if your army is bigger then you can take them by force)
I don’t envision God being so nationalistic.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:16 pm#111 Daryll
Our heavenly father, I want to thank you for giving me the complete understanding of your word to give to others…
…Lord please instill morals and values into Nancy Pelosi as she takes over the Majority seat.
And please help Daryll find his ’special purpose’.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:17 pmnanlichi,
I don’t think our Dear Daryll will be answering your question. I work for a religious social service agency, I am on the ethics panel. We review “ethical dilemmas” and make recommendations. We consult with outside professionals as needed. We have an ethical dilemma where a refugee client of ours cannot get pregnant due to medical conditons and would die if she gets pregnant. Our dilemma is: Does the staff help this woman get contraception or do we avoid it? We asked the heavenly Father about it, as a consult, we asked him 5 times. He completely blew us all off. Because he does not have an answer to the question that makes his religion look rediculous. Daryll won’t give you an answer either.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:18 pm[i]“Once you become born again, you’ll understand the true meaning and purpose of the King James Bible.†– Daryll[/i]
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Yeah, right! Gotcha! The “King James Bible” – as edited and translaetd by Henry VIII…You remember him, right? Divorced his wife of 20+ years to marry her maid, and then let her die in squalor, telling the Pope to go hang so he could start his own religion? Then chopped off wifey #2’s head because he found out what a snide, conniving bit** she really was? Executed wife #4, who was too young to realize just exactly what she was dealing with? Then divorced Wife #5 – and ADOPTED HER AS HIS SISTER?
Christianity – the best recruiting tool for Pagans, Satanists, Atheists and others ever invented…..
December 5th, 2006 at 6:18 pmIf one reads all the religious books (Bible, Torah, Quran, Buddha’s Best Seller, Mein Kampf, etc) very carefully you will find a strikingly similar phrase: “And on the Eight Day Man created God!” If one has to swear to a God it is only meaningful that he swear to his own God, not some alien God. If I were to swear on a book I would want the latest copy of Food and Wine or “The Complete Bartender’s Guide.” Leave the Man alone and go tend your own morals.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:21 pmWe asked the heavenly Father about it, as a consult, we asked him 5 times. He completely blew us all off.
Comment by ForTruth
Did you say “please?” You didn’t peek while you were praying did you?
December 5th, 2006 at 6:21 pmPrager is a such a douchebag.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:21 pm#114 MikeSF
A while back someone wrote “well that’s the pot calling the kettle backâ€
Just curious –was that a simple typo or have libs now abandoned “black†in the never ending quest for ultra tolerance?
That’s right, Mike. We liberals don’t use the words for colors anymore. They’re discriminatory. It’s wrong to label things by their hue.
In fact, we don’t use adjectives of any kind, just to be on the safe side.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:22 pm“The “King James Bible†– as edited and translaetd by Henry VIII…You remember him, right?”
Michael, I believe you mean James I. Thus the name. And James himself did none of the translating, etc.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:22 pmWhich is why liberals tend to be in the helping professions. Folks like Daryll don’t have the tolerance or flexability to help others.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:24 pmNo a change hasn’t happened because you atheistic liberals have taken over the House and Senate to spew unrighteous, unethical and immoral bills.
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:57 pm
About 15% of our nation’s people are not religious. Less than 1% of the folks in prison are not religious. Clearly we Atheists aren’t the immoral and unethical ones. It’s you fundy types who try for force other to do as you – well – as you don’t do.
Though being unrighteous is actually a goal, because being righteous is really obnoxious. Just like your posts.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:26 pmOnce you become born again, you’ll understand the true meaning and purpose of the King James Bible.
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
Why didn’t God write it in English? and that goes for the Ten Commandments? No answer with ” God moves in strange——-” accepted. Daryll, what has happened to the souls of all persons that died before hearing about Christ? That would include all persons on this planet that were born and died before Christ was. Daryll, if you were born in Africa in 1150 b.c where would your soul go even if you lived the most pious life possible? Daryll, were there more gay people (as a percentage) before Christ? How important is “The day of Pentacost”? Do the members of the Assemblies of Gods churches have the only key to Heaven? Do you have to have a Full body baptism? or can you just be baptized by the Holy Spirit?
December 5th, 2006 at 6:26 pmEven if they do remove him, which is doubtful
December 5th, 2006 at 6:27 pmI bet they’ll still pay him for the whole 5 years!
What a crok! croc?
Jehovah’s Witness or Seventh Day Adventist?
Comment by Zooey — December 5, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
If you’re lucky, he’s a Mormon with sacred underpants ready for viewing.. :D
December 5th, 2006 at 6:27 pmZooey,
Hell yes we said please to the Father.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:28 pmDaryll, the rapture is a lie, a fable that was invented in the 19th century and is not in the bible at all. You really are funny.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:29 pmIf you’re lucky, he’s a Mormon with sacred underpants ready for viewing.. :D —- unbelievable
lmao
Good thing I had put my cofee down before reading that. =D
December 5th, 2006 at 6:31 pmHell yes we said please to the Father.
Comment by ForTruth
You probably used that tone, too. :(
December 5th, 2006 at 6:32 pmAmen, I completely agree with the scripture.
Comment by Daryll — December 5, 2006 @ 5:43 pm
Then you hate yourself, your mother and your father?
One of the Bibles (here are atleast 32 versions last I checked) says you should hate yourself and your family.
It aslo says a lot of other stuff I bet you conveniently ignore.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:32 pmIf you’re lucky, he’s a Mormon with sacred underpants ready for viewing.. :D
Comment by unbelievable
Daryll is no Mormon, Salma, no frickin’ way. I’m betting on Jehovah’s Witness.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:33 pmFor Truth.
That’s just not right, to get blown off 5 times just because He didn’t want to get stuck on the horn of a dilemna.
One of my favorites is that when you buy the “born again” package, Jebus will throw in the “all is forgiven card” at no extra charge.
Just think, Jeffrey Dahmer, Hitler and Bush could all be in Heaven to greet you!
I won’t make the party though, I just raised a couple of good sons, and treated my wife with respect. Didn’t buy into the religion thing.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:34 pmI am SO over the sacred Mormon pantaloons. **yawn**
December 5th, 2006 at 6:34 pmThe word “rapture†does not even appear in the Bible.
Comment by June — December 5, 2006 @ 5:53 pm
Neither does abortion, but that doesn’t seem to slow him down in his quest to be a judgmental twit.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:35 pmDaryll said: “newly elected Congressional/Senatorial members to get down on there knees and pray to god, and to promise him that they’ll make conscience decisions based on….”
whatta ya mean “promise HIM”?
SHE may have other ideas
December 5th, 2006 at 6:35 pmZooey’s right, Daryll’s not Mormon. The Saturday as Sabbath gave that away.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:37 pmThanks for your support nanlichi,
These morons only want to deal with absolutes, and there isn’t any.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:37 pmPantaloons?
Is that what they call them. Oy. Need that extra layer of underpants to ensure the little freaks won’t accidentally make a cameo appearence.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:39 pmChristianity – the best recruiting tool for Pagans, Satanists, Atheists and others ever invented…..
Comment by Michael — December 5, 2006 @ 6:18 pm
LOL.. Though as an Atheist, I think Satanism is a version of Christianity. I don’t worship anything – good, bad or indifferent.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:39 pmI won’t make the party though, I just raised a couple of good sons, and treated my wife with respect. Didn’t buy into the religion thing.
Comment by nanlichi
Ugh! I’ll save a seat in hell, nanlichi.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:40 pmWhy do Jehovah Witnesses always have hot chicks that come over to your house to try to sell you? Seems kind of evil to me.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:40 pmGood thing I had put my cofee down before reading that. =D
Comment by Wayne — December 5, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
I’ve learned not to drink anything while viewing the TP comments section : )
December 5th, 2006 at 6:42 pmLord,
Please give me patience……Damn it, NOW!
If the things said about the value of prayer are true then the NFL better plan on cancelling the Super Bowl. Given there will be 100,000 fans in attendance and another 50,000,000 or so fans watching or listening on our electronic marvels of communication, all of which will be praying to their own omnipotent God to make their favorite team victorious, what is God to do? I guess He will select his own favorite and smite the other fools. Notre Dame will be playing in a bowl game soon. All the devout Catholics should beat feet to their neighborhood bookie if God is there listening. And finally with less humor but greater impact will He answer the prayers of the Altar Boy when the boy prays that the Priest has a hang-over?
December 5th, 2006 at 6:45 pmPantaloons?
Is that what they call them. Oy.
Comment by ForTruth
No, I just really like that word. :)
December 5th, 2006 at 6:45 pmI’m betting on Jehovah’s Witness.
Comment by Zooey — December 5, 2006 @ 6:33 pm
I would think the snake cult of Southern Evangelical Baptists. But that’s just because there weren’t many JWs around here and way too many people like Daryll who claimed Southern Baptist as their faith.
Perhaps he’ll answer your prayer, I mean question, and solve the dilemma on his brand of faith.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:46 pmModern Christianity is a version of Satinism. Look at how Christianity is expressed. Killing, torturing, shaming, guilt-tripping, withholding natural processes, terrorizing, manipulating, forcing ideals upon others.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:46 pmI am SO over the sacred Mormon pantaloons. **yawn**
Comment by Zooey — December 5, 2006 @ 6:34 pm
Chicken…
December 5th, 2006 at 6:47 pmZooey’s right, Daryll’s not Mormon. The Saturday as Sabbath gave that away.
Comment by nanlichi — December 5, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
I didn’t actually think so – it was a long-running joke we have had.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:48 pmWhy doesn’t Ellison just put his koran inside a bible cover? Dems have for years been sworn in on their comic book collections this way.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:48 pmI’ve learned not to drink anything while viewing the TP comments section
Comment by unbelievable
Not drinking…..I should try that.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:50 pmChicken…
Comment by unbelievable
Vegan…
December 5th, 2006 at 6:51 pmWhy do Jehovah Witnesses always have hot chicks that come over to your house to try to sell you? Seems kind of evil to me.
Comment by ForTruth — December 5, 2006 @ 6:40 pm
Unibrows are hot?
The ones I have ever known were old and not much into cosmetics or grooming…
December 5th, 2006 at 6:52 pmVegan…
Comment by Zooey — December 5, 2006 @ 6:51 pm
I scared off some Mormons with that very word.
They’d come to convert me in Zion National Park with cocoa and their book. I rejected the cocoa because vegans don’t do dairy, and while they stood there scratching their heads trying to figure out how to get around that barrier, I departed.
December 5th, 2006 at 6:58 pmThe ones I have ever known were old and not much into cosmetics or grooming…
Comment by unbelievable
Obviously, ForTruth has low standards….
December 5th, 2006 at 7:01 pmI don’t have a clear vision of what the door to door missionaries actually look like.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:05 pmWhen I see the pairs of white shirts and black trousers coming up the street, I go down to the cellar……………
I don’t have a clear vision of what the door to door missionaries actually look like.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:05 pmWhen I see the pairs of white shirts and black trousers coming up the street, I go down to the cellar……………
[...] Someone who needs to find their Ipod – figuratively speaking – is right wing talk show host Dennis Prager. He has raised a firestorm charging that Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, must swear in using a Bible. [...]
December 5th, 2006 at 7:10 pmOops, sorry about that, let me try again…..
December 5th, 2006 at 7:13 pmIn the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth, and the earth was without form, and void.
And I liked it that way…………..
Raven –”cellar” sounds so much more sophisticated than the basement you live in at your parents house. Just because that is where you drink the “two-buck-chuck” you steal from work doesn’t really make it a cellar.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:16 pmI don’t drink alcohol, the cellar is where I store the fruit and nuts I import from Northern California.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:20 pmRaven – BRAVO!!! Now that was funny. congrats.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:23 pmThanks!
December 5th, 2006 at 7:27 pmYour turn again!
Why does this story always bury the fact that no religious book is required for the swearing in ceremony?
December 5th, 2006 at 7:33 pmGlenn,
Sorry – I was on a hyperbolic roll, there. The “Dread Sovereign” did indeed create his own liturgy, and did order the Bible to be translated into English. James directed a new translation, and did actually translate some of the Bible, though not nearly all of it, obviously.
The point is this: “The Bible” – in its original form, the Septuagint[sp?] – is an amalgam of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Latin source-material. It has since been translated into numerous langauges, some several times over. Books have been “de-canonized”, “re-canonized”, and no two versions of even “Fundie” bibles agree (do a side-by-side with the KJV, New English, Lutheran, Vulgate, Gideon, etc. and see for yourself: no two completely agree on their wording).
I once explained this to a Sikh friend – he thought I was making a religious joke…until I showed him. He couldn’t believe it.
What I find revolting is that so many people have died over the centuries because of something so maleable that it qualifies as “limp” in the veracity department.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:35 pmA little anecdote from todays news, when Teddy Roosevelt was sworn in, they didn’t use a bible, cause no one could find one handy………
December 5th, 2006 at 7:37 pmI don’t drink alcohol, the cellar is where I store the fruit and nuts I import from Northern California.
Comment by Raven — December 5, 2006 @ 7:20 pm
By all means, Raven, avoid the “Mike” variety from San Francisco. I used to live there and that kind has a reputation for giving people chronic diarreah…
Too bad really, because otherwise it is a very beautiful and liberal place…
December 5th, 2006 at 7:37 pmNo, I can’t. I’m still laughing at your last response. When your right, your right (no offense, I’m not calling you a right-winger) If you did drink I’d like to send you a nice bottle of Napa wine.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:37 pm#169 Raven,
Why would anyone want to import the fruits and nuts from Northern California? As far as I know the fruits and nuts have been perfectly happy in the North Beach area of San Francisco for nearly 50 years.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:42 pm#173… thanks for the “English version”, and this is many centuries after Emperor Constantine and the Council of Niccea in the 4th century AD, when there was the first major compilation and editing of the writings that eventually became the christian bible.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:43 pmMajor political influences affected this event, I might add……..
I was just taking a shot in the dark, there, MikeSF, for all I knew it was Sci-Fi
December 5th, 2006 at 7:48 pmThanks for the offer of a bottle of vino. Were I to accept, it would neccesarily have to be a non-union vintage……..
unbelievable –what’s your story? Was I speaking to you? My variety? So now you live in a more beautiful, liberal place? Where? Why did you leave? I’m sure there is a great story here. Just because you worked in the Bay Area until your visa expired doesn’t make you an expert smart guy.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:48 pmIs there any law,article in the constitution that say that Congressmen should put their hands on the Bible and no other book,before they start their term ?!….if not , then Mr. Dennis Prager need to shut his mouth and stop barking about this issue that has no legal basis….
December 5th, 2006 at 7:49 pm#177…………
December 5th, 2006 at 7:52 pmThey make good compost to vitalize the hard clay soil here in the desert……….
The ones I have ever known were old and not much into cosmetics or grooming…
Comment by unbelievable
Obviously, ForTruth has low standards….
Comment by Zooey
Oh ow, ZING…
December 5th, 2006 at 7:52 pmOh ow, ZING…
Comment by ForTruth
Heh.
December 5th, 2006 at 7:55 pm“and down right unAmerican”. What a position to hold! Too typical.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:01 pmtarazan
All that is required from an elected official is an oath OR affirmation to uphold the Constitution and the addition of “so help me God” has been a personal and traditional “punctuation” to the oath that is entirely optional. Placing of a hand on a Bible has also been such an optional addition and, as others have pointed out, is usually for the photo-ops.
Yes, Prager should shut his trap – about a lot of stuff that he is ignorant or willfully misleading about. He’s a Rush or O’Reilly wannabe, which is sufficient for any ridicule he attracts.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:09 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) –neither Rush or O’Reilly are real conservatives. I don’t see any difference from them or some other commies like Wolf Blitzer. Let me remind you libs: there are no conservatives in the media or any national platform right now. If you want to know your enemy you must study a little harder than watching the O’Reilly Factor for 20mins a night. But we are out there, and sometimes we vote. But we do outnumber you; that is unless you include illegal aliens.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:37 pm#182 Raven,
You have a good point! Do you think they would help control the shifting, drifting sands of the Arizona desert on the other side of my fence?
December 5th, 2006 at 8:40 pmZooey’s right, Daryll’s not Mormon. The Saturday as Sabbath gave that away.
Comment by nanlichi — December 5, 2006 @ 6:37 pm
Yea but, can Daryll bowl on the Sabbath? and does he have a rug to tie his room together? and lastly, what happened to that- look down his/her nose effitite better than thou ( I’m going to heaven and your not) $not nosed bottom feeder? Where is the great defender of faith? He/she with the only true and approved copy of the bible-must feel mighty good- I am confused on one one thing Daryll- why the RIGHT side of God? Is He/She right handed? What if some soul is sitting on the LEFT side of God-is that bad? and what are they sitting on? Where do they get the harps and trumpets? for that matter where does the Devil get his/Her (I am sure here that it is a she) pitch forks- Is there a hardware store down there and a music store up there? also maybe furniture store-like Ikea?
December 5th, 2006 at 8:58 pmunbelievable –what’s your story?
Which one?
Was I speaking to you?
Was I speaking to you either? No. I weas speaking to Raven.
My variety? So now you live in a more beautiful, liberal place? Where? Why did you leave?
I couldn’t afford $6 for a box of cereal making $70k a year. I left Corporate America to become a school teacher.
I’m sure there is a great story here. Just because you worked in the Bay Area until your visa expired doesn’t make you an expert smart guy.
Comment by MikeSF — December 5, 2006 @ 7:48 pm
I was born in America with two X chromosomes. And the fact that I’m smarter than you makes me more observant, claerly.
So far you haven’t gotten anything right. How does a cretin wind up in San Francisco? Though, I did meet a few freaks while I was there. You were probably one of them.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:00 pmThey make good compost to vitalize the hard clay soil here in the desert……….
Comment by Raven — December 5, 2006 @ 7:52 pm
I was thinking like the toxic waste they bury in Nevada :)
December 5th, 2006 at 9:02 pmMost religious people were brainwashed as children to believe
December 5th, 2006 at 9:02 pmthe religion of their parents.
But we are out there, and sometimes we vote. But we do outnumber you; that is unless you include illegal aliens.
Comment by MikeSF — December 5, 2006 @ 8:37 pm
Delusional and a racist…. How are you living one of the most liberal cities in the country?
Do you protest the Gay Pride parade each year? You and all three of your retarded buddies?
The only thing you out-number is your own IQ – by weight.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:06 pmMost religious people were brainwashed as children to believe the religion of their parents.
Comment by ngkevin — December 5, 2006 @ 9:02 pm
In his book “Naked Pictures of Famous People”, Jon Stewart says that if you can teach anyone to believe almost anything if you just catch them early enough in life.
Sad but true…
December 5th, 2006 at 9:09 pm190. unbelievable
I hate to attack someone for a little typo, but this is too good:
“And the fact that I’m smarter than you makes me more observant, claerly.”
Brilliant! And your teaching school now!
That is the story I wanted to hear.
unbelievable
December 5th, 2006 at 9:10 pmMikeSF
Are you still grappling with you shortcomings in spelling and grammar?
Even and STILL from the other day?
Grow up.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:19 pmMike, still having trouble with the anger management after last night?
December 5th, 2006 at 9:20 pmI hate to attack someone for a little typo, but this is too good:
Nah, you love it.
“And the fact that I’m smarter than you makes me more observant, claerly.â€
Smart people make typos (especially at the end of the day), so your implication is false logic.
Brilliant! And your teaching school now!
They get me at the beginning of the day. Not that my making mistakes in the classroom lessens my intellect. Only an imbecile would equate petty mistakes, or typing abilities for that matter, with intellect. So, are you saying you are incapable of logical discourse, and therefore harp upon an inversion of vowels because my left hand is controlled by my right (creative) brain that does not place emphasis on strict adherence to order – considering you knew that I meant the world “clearly”?
Do you need me to type it more s.l.o.w.l.y for you as well?
That is the story I wanted to hear.
unbelievable
Comment by MikeSF — December 5, 2006 @ 9:10 pm
Because you want it – no.
I know how to torture a neocon. Don’t give him what he wants.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:24 pmOh, now the embedded screeners come out to protect the wounded. I’m not using faul language – I’m being fair. Fascists.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:25 pmMike, still having trouble with the anger management after last night?
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — December 5, 2006 @ 9:20 pm
From our brief exchange so far, I am guessing he’s angry because he is a closeted gay man who lives in a highly liberal city with a high gay population so he can indulge in his natural inclination while pretending to be a Republican for the judgmental “moral” majority family somewhere in the midwest… Kansas or Iowa maybe even Ohio…
He’s angry that he is gay.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:27 pmOh, now the embedded screeners come out to protect the wounded. I’m not using faul language – I’m being fair. Fascists.
Comment by MikeSF — December 5, 2006 @ 9:25 pm
I’m not wounded, Mike. You didn’t even raise my blood pressure a little. You’re not man enough.
And thanks for confirming my assessment about you that follows.
The more you deny, the more we’ll know it’s true.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:31 pmunbelievable – read some Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. You’re no Sherlock. That’s why you are a teacher.
December 5th, 2006 at 9:32 pmMike let’s recap from last night shall we, you were seriously unhinged there for a while:
Not very nice that Mike, was it?
A few post later, Mike, it was back to the broad, sweeping ad hominems…
Then there was this gem…oops, not very tolerant of your multicultural American society, eh Mike?
Maybe you should have counted to ten before writing this one:
Does swearing make you feel more manly?
Hmm early appearance of the fascist theme – do you know much about fascism? Please enlighten us..
Fascists persecuted the infirm, gypsies and homosexuals, did you know that Mike?
Oops, your brownshirt is showing now Mike….
Maybe San Fran isn’t the city for you?
You aren’t a nice person, are you MikeSF?
December 5th, 2006 at 9:50 pmread some Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. You’re no Sherlock.
I hope you’re joking. Cause otherwise, you’re pathetic. And not very funny if it was a joke.
I prefer non-fiction. Most fiction, like the Bible is too delusional for me…
That’s why you are a teacher.
Comment by MikeSF — December 5, 2006 @ 9:32 pm
Are you insinuating that teachers can’t be smart? That’s asinine. Because I am smart. Very smart. It’s why I get to teach. Because I know stuff that other people want to learn. And I went from a career that expected 70 hour work weeks to one that gives the summers off… Seems extra smart to a thinking person.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:01 pmWow, TerrytheTurtle – that was a lot of work. I’m flattered, I guess…
I said some mean things.
I’m sorry.
But I’m not stepping down.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:03 pmWhoah, that’s a great put down. Hang on let me get this right:
Read some Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. You’re no Sherlock.
Hey, isn’t Conan that Arnold film? That was so cool. But what’s that to do with those funny Irish weeds?
December 5th, 2006 at 10:04 pmunbelievable – is this Al Gore???
December 5th, 2006 at 10:04 pmOy. This thread is gone.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:08 pmI’m sorry but “extra smart” people don’t usually express it that way.
Please stop. Or start drinking. You are annoying, and keeping me from walking my dog.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:08 pmThank you and goodnight! I’ll be here ’till Thursday.
If you didn’t get the message yet – liberals are what the ancient Chinese referred to as “paper tigers”. Intelligent Men & Women of America –keep punching holes! God bless.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:12 pmI’m sorry but “extra smart†people don’t usually express it that way.
They do – but you’re not even remotely bright enough to understand. Funny how you dumb folks do that. Assume that because you aren’t capable of getting it that there must be something wrong with us. LOL. Silly boy.
Please stop. Or start drinking. You are annoying, and keeping me from walking my dog.
Comment by MikeSF — December 5, 2006 @ 10:08 pm
Nope. You stop. You’re neither funny or interesting – just nasty and stupid. At least annoying is entertaining…
I’m not keeping you from anything. I’m sure your dog would rather you avoid spending time with him. He probably thinks you’re an idiot as well.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:15 pmGod bless.
Comment by MikeSF — December 5, 2006 @ 10:12 pm
There is no god. The fact that you think there is explains why you hate that you are gay.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:16 pmFair enough MikeSF, but you forget liberals fought and won WWII against fascism while ‘America First’ crypto-fascists like Prescott Bush, Henry Ford, Oswald Moseley (not a crypto he was right out there) and Charles Lindbergh idolized Hitler. Liberals detest fascists and their racist, mysoginist, homophobic doctrines wherever they appear.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:18 pmOh hey, Mike is back. Hey Mike whats up?
December 5th, 2006 at 10:19 pmhe’s just a white lump of bullshit
December 5th, 2006 at 10:20 pmWhat’s that stuff that occupies the spaces between electrons, protons and neutrons? Is it the electrical charge? Is it gravity? Where does the electrical charge come from? Is there an unseen energy all around? Where would that come from? Just don’t call it God, ok?
December 5th, 2006 at 10:21 pmTerrytheTurtle – thank you for the response and I hope you are right. unbelievable – your on meds & I don’t want to hurt you.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:26 pmunbelievable – your on meds & I don’t want to hurt you.
Comment by MikeSF — December 5, 2006 @ 10:26 pm
TRANSLATION: I have no argument, so I’m going to insult you to distract from the fact that I cannot think for myself.
You can’t hurt me Mike, you aren’t man enough.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:31 pm#187 MikeSF
Let me remind you libs: there are no conservatives in the media or any national platform right now. If you want to know your enemy you must study a little harder than watching the O’Reilly Factor for 20mins a night. But we are out there, and sometimes we vote. But we do outnumber you; that is unless you include illegal aliens.
If it helps you to get to sleep at night, you go right ahead and tell yourself that.
Of course, Rush and O’Reilly aren’t conservatives. True conservatives are those Republicans who went into hiding several years ago and let the nutty right-wingers take over. The conservatives aren’t nutty, they’re just complicit by their passivity.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:33 pmunbelievable – what if I was a Women? A Women couldn’t counter your childish arguments?
December 5th, 2006 at 10:36 pmchimpeach – The only time you make sense is when you quote me. I charge $$$ for that.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:40 pm#221 I thought you only charged money for blowjobs.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:45 pmunbelievable,
When you tire of tolerating the troll trash trust the true tribesman to thrust the tenacious tergiversation of the tormentor of our terpsichorean teacher (You been doing a good job of dancing around the fool) to the termitarium to which he resides. Keep up the good work!
December 5th, 2006 at 10:45 pmOK – I gave it away. This is Karl Rove.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:46 pmDonD looked up a lot of words!!! – funny thing they all begin with “T”. Half of your cylinders aren’t firing buddy. Most libs are smarter than you – and that is not a compliment.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:51 pmJPark – that’s funny. Hey I ask for it, I know.
December 5th, 2006 at 10:53 pmMikeSF,
Twenty dollars to a glass of warm pee says that if you understood any of them you looked up a hell of a lot more than I. I am surprised that you recognized that they all started with “T” since the only “T” word I can find that matches your intelligence is “Turd.”
December 5th, 2006 at 10:57 pmDonD – Wow. Sometimes I forget that I’m on Pac Coast Time; which means most of the “bloggers” by now are drunk; or just stupid. DonD –tomorrow morning read you’re post again –very slowly. Have your mom read it too.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:07 pmHey ya’ll, what do you say we let Mike take his f*cking dog for a walk?
December 5th, 2006 at 11:07 pmThanks Zooey
December 5th, 2006 at 11:11 pm#221 MikeSF
chimpeach – The only time you make sense is when you quote me. I charge $$$ for that.
I just dangle your own words out there to get your attention. I guess some people dangle other things to get your attention.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:12 pm#229 “Taking his dog for a walk” is only a euphemism. It means bend over for the next guy who gives him 5 bucks.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:15 pmWhatever, JPark! Just let him go!
December 5th, 2006 at 11:17 pmchimpeach – is that a cutdown? It doesn’t even make sense?
Zooey – I’m walking my dog & leaving – but WTF?
December 5th, 2006 at 11:18 pmI’m wearing a meat hat, cubed-steak.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:23 pmMikeSF-it’s FOUL not FAUL-hate to point out a minor typo.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:26 pmIn response to the comment about King James’s bible.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:26 pmThough it was supposedly translated from the greek, the good King himself did have others do a little handy work on it to keep the people lined up the way that he wished them to be.
Every denomination on the planet has been doing this. That is why we have them iin the first place. KJV is not anywhere close to being accurate in this day and age. It was at the time that it was translated before the King added his two cents worth.
But Zooey!!!! He is going to smell worse than usual when he comes back!!!
December 5th, 2006 at 11:28 pmI’m wearing a meat hat, cubed-steak.
Comment by ForTruth
My dog would love you.
December 5th, 2006 at 11:40 pmBut Zooey!!!! He is going to smell worse than usual when he comes back!!!
Comment by JPark
maybe we could all just leave, and he can talk to himself.
*hint hint*
December 5th, 2006 at 11:42 pmJPark – what have you done since the 3rd Grade? How long do you think it takes to walk a dog? What is wrong with an exchange of ideas?
December 5th, 2006 at 11:45 pmMikey, when you have an idea, you just let me know.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:00 amSorry, Zooey, I am a confrontational SOB
December 6th, 2006 at 12:01 amJPark,
I witnessed Mike’s version of an exchange of ideas last night. It was enough for me. Just sayin’
December 6th, 2006 at 12:06 am#241 MikeSF
What is wrong with an exchange of ideas?
Don’t beg. It’ so undignified. Besides, “exchange” implies that you actually had something to offer.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:08 amI know it Zooey, but I am a sucker for a fight. It isn’t my fault he is not exactly Stephen Hawking.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:11 amNeither am I, JPark. Wanna fight? Put ‘em up.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:14 amLOL, nah, you would whoop my ass Zooey :)
December 6th, 2006 at 12:27 amBarbara: OK, we all have these terrible stories to get over, and you—
George: It’s not true. Some have great stories, pretty stories that take place at lakes with boats and friends and noodle salad. Just no one in this family
Barbara: But, a lot of people, that’s their story. Good times, noodle salad. What makes it so hard is not that you had it bad, but that you’re that pissed that so many others had it good.
December 6th, 2006 at 4:01 am#188……
December 6th, 2006 at 9:35 amnot to worry, in about 50 years time all of us below the 35th paralell will be growing bananas, coconuts, and coming down with malaria…….
and this surprises you
December 6th, 2006 at 9:54 amWhy does he need a bible or quran at all. Just affirm. Silly religious fanatics caused more death, torture and suffering in the world than greed and power. I really believed with my whole heart and soul that Santa Clause did exist as every generation of young children does now and will in the future. What does that say to the religions of the world for most a money making business with the power of a ready and willing masses to carry out one person’s agenda. It says get them to belive in something they can never prove wrong because the only way it is proven is by death.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:02 amSilly religious fanatics.
As absurd as is Prager’s comment, contrary to a comment, Jews do take oath on Old and New Testament, the New is not the Bible of Jewish people~~~ Prager did say that. He also said to use Koran and
December 6th, 2006 at 10:26 amBible. He never compared any religious text to Mein Kampf but used as
slippery slope…I totally disagree, as all should with Prager.. However,
why no comments on Prof who says “all whites should be exterminated in world!” and an interview with a Black Panther who will not disagree… Or silence from religious sources when fanatics ( or to the fanatics-, pious) behead, kill nuns, , death warrant on Salomon Rashdi,most vicious, vile racist anti American and anti-semitic statements, murder of Moslem against Moslem and no outrage? s
Doesn’t seem like it makes any difference what book you swear on, could even make it worse.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:30 amJust look at the actions of G.Dubious after he swears on a bible…………
(Knowing them as well as we do now, it could very well have been “My Pet Goat” covered in some black construction paper)
that jerk dennis prager pisses me off
December 6th, 2006 at 11:21 amInnundate the Museum with e-mails and phone calls. Prager is a disgrace to an institution that exists specifically to remind people of the effects of racism, bigotry, and hate-mongering.
This is a taxpayer-funded institution. The Board HAS to listen.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:23 amBeing a jerk pays in the Bush adminstration…
December 6th, 2006 at 11:44 amMichael -
In re: your “Sorry – I was on a hyperbolic roll, there.”
Understood and apologies for my moment of pedantry re the KJV ;).
Thanks for this post which neatly encapsulates some questions I regularly restrain myself from asking Bible – thumpers (”so was each translation of the Bible divinely inspired as well? and if so, why do the translations disagree?”).
When I read these works I read them to understand cultural backgrounds, the underpinning of literary works, etc. etc. etc. If I tried to use them to understand the universe in any way I would become psychotic.
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December 6th, 2006 at 1:39 pm[...] Yesterday, ThinkProgress noted that right-wing talk radio host Dennis Prager — who demands that Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress, must swear in using a Christian Bible — was appointed by President Bush to the taxpayer-funded United States Holocaust Memorial Council. [...]
December 6th, 2006 at 2:31 pmIt seems as though many of you have just picked up on this story. I have been following it for a few days now and here is the gist of what is wrong with Pragers assertions:
1. The official swearing-in ceremony that occurs in Congress (and all government agencies) is done without any Holy text and without mention of any Holy being.
2. The consititution states “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article VI, section 3)
3. There is precedent both in the past and during this calender year that not one consistent Holy book has been used in the un-official (photo-op) swearing-in ceremony: Pres. Thruman did not use any book, Pres. Kennedy used a Catholic Bible, Rep. Lidely (R-HI) used the Tanakh in 2002 and 12/4/2006, Rep. Wasserman Shultz used the Hebrew Bbile (Tankh) provided by Congressman Akerman.
4. This country was not intended by the founding fathers to be a Christian Nation: Treaty with Tripoli (1796) states in Article 11: “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen …” ( signed 1/3/1797 by Joel Barlow the American consul-general to the Barbary states).
5. If the shoe were on the other foot: At least one Muslim country (a theocracy no less) provides members of its Parliament (Islamic Consultative Assembly) beloging to religious minorities to swear on their holy book. “Members belonging to the religious minorities will swear by their own sacred books while taking this oath. Members not attending the first session will perform the ceremony of taking the oath at the first session they attend.” (Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran – Article 67).
So after 10 minutes of research it is evident that Mr. Prager made his comments out of bigotry. His only reason for attacking Mr. Ellison is not that he is not using the Bible but that he using a Quran. His hatred of a Muslim having been elected to Congress is glaring. This is a slap in the face of the citizens of Minnesota who chose Mr. Ellison as their representative. It would be a hypocrisay for a man who is intolerant of citizens who are a religious minority to head a orginzation that is set up to remind the world of the over 6+ million deaths that occured due intolerance of a religious minority. Further, to make use of a book that is at the heart of the orginzation he heads so callously only brings dishonor to those victims that the memorial is designed to remember. It only makes sense that a bigot such as this be removed from a position appointed by the President of the United States.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:37 pmQuran = Hitler’s “Mein Kampfâ€
Elect Rep. = Not an american
Sounds absurd
December 6th, 2006 at 2:41 pmToo many folks that hold a Bible, don’t pay attention to what it really says.
December 6th, 2006 at 4:13 pmAs any that read it for real, would know that Sunday is not a sabath. The sabath is the 7th day when a person rests, after 6 days of labor. Silly people of today take their rest on the first day – a no-no. Just as they didn’t read the history of Bush before making the S-B their prez.
What a nut.
December 6th, 2006 at 4:54 pmTo be sworn in to Congress does not require a bible, no other congressperson is held to that standard, the Republicans are hypocrits
December 6th, 2006 at 6:00 pmBush picked Rumsfeld and Boulton…why should anyone be surprised at this idiotic appointment. Bush was sworn in on a Bible…that could be seen as pure, unadulterated blasphemy! Keith Elison should be able to be sworn in on the Quran if he so chooses.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:20 pmOK– pure and simple. I’m a Jew and I want this idiot off of the Holocaust board. Remove him now. Thanks.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:57 pm[...] Dennis Prager, who is demanding Muslim Rep.-elect Keith Ellison swear in using the bible, was appointed by President Bush in September to the taypayer-funded U.S. Holocaust Memorial Council.read more | digg story [...]
December 6th, 2006 at 11:52 pm[...] Yesterday, the Council on American Islamic Relations called on Prager to be removed from this position: http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/05/prager-holocaust/ [...]
December 7th, 2006 at 12:03 am[...] Think Progress » Pundit Attacking Muslim Congressman Is Bush Appointee to Holocaust Memorial Board “He said that if Ellison swears in with a Quran, it would “undermin[e] American civilization†and be akin to swearing in with a copy of Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.†Prager is not a typical talk radio host. In September, he was appointed by President (tags: holocaust politics) [...]
December 7th, 2006 at 12:18 amWhat an ass! His views would have fitted him right inside Hitler’s Nazi movement.
It’s a wonder he has any position in a taxpayer funded institution.
December 7th, 2006 at 8:12 amThere comes a point when people gotta wake the hell up and see what this Republican party is about if they have any brain cells at all and have even an ounce of decency.
December 7th, 2006 at 4:16 pmLet it start a firestormin religious battle, where the supreme court will (attempt) invalidate Christianity, God, the Trinity again. That would be good-keep God nem outta all those lies and other crap they do under oath.
December 7th, 2006 at 7:11 pmActually, what is now called the “western” tradition of tolerance was better exemplified during the middle ages by Islam than by Christianity. With this guy in charge, pretty soon the word “west” will be synonimous with intolerance.
December 8th, 2006 at 9:59 amA response from the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum….
http://gaelicstarover.blogspot.com/2006/12/message-from-holocaust-museum.html
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December 8th, 2006 at 10:10 amits liberal idiots such as most of you that have posted on here that have demoralized this country to the point it is……im glad hs said what he did and hope more stand up and do the same…….and that is the mindset of most who are here in this country,if u dont want to swear on the bible,then go somewhere else,and that goes for the rest of you idiots
December 21st, 2006 at 3:25 pm