Mary Cheney’s Partner ‘Will Have No Legal Relationship With Her Child’ Under Virginia Law
Mary Cheney’s Partner ‘Will Have No Legal Relationship With Her Child’ Under Virginia Law
The Washington Post reported today that Mary Cheney and her partner of 15 years, Heather Poe, are expecting a baby. The right wing is already on the attack:
Janice Crouse of Concerned Women for America described the pregnancy as “unconscionable.”
“It’s very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father,” said Crouse, a senior fellow at the group’s think tank. “They are encouraging people who don’t have the advantages they have.” …
Carrie Gordon Earll, a policy analyst for the conservative Christian ministry Focus on the Family: “Just because you can conceive a child outside a one-woman, one-man marriage doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.”
Cheney and Poe will also face discrimination from Virginia state law. According to Equality Virginia:
While there are no specific Virginia laws addressing the custody and adoption rights of gays and lesbians, Virginia courts have routinely discriminated against gays and lesbians by finding that the parent’s status as gay or lesbian is not in the “best interests” of the child.
The result, according to Jennifer Chrisler of Family Pride, is that Poe will “have no legal relationship with her child.”
“In the state of Virginia, it’s very difficult for lesbian couples to have children together,” says Chrisler. “Heather Poe will have no legal relationship with her child. She can’t adopt as a second parent. She won’t have her name on the birth certificate.“
Asked what the couple could do to give Poe some legal rights as a parent, Chrisler advised: “Move to Maryland.”
UPDATE: AmericaBlog has more.
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December 6th, 2006 at 8:28 pmBut Mary and her partner likely have cash, so that will help with a lot of the difficulties they experience.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:32 pm“It’s very disappointing that a celebrity couple like this would deliberately bring into the world a child that will never have a father,†said Crouse…
Of course that child has a biological father, don’t be a silly twit. The ‘father’ simply will not be involved with the child. It’s not like that hasn’t happened a zillion times before…
December 6th, 2006 at 8:33 pmShit, even the Great Red State of Idaho will let the partner adopt the child. Ladies, you move over here, we love your daddy.*
*gag*
December 6th, 2006 at 8:34 pmIsn’t it funny that their opposition to equal partnership rights is exactly the cause of the disadvantage that the child would have in a same-sex partnership?
December 6th, 2006 at 8:37 pmIt’s not like that hasn’t happened a zillion times before…
Comment by Zooey — December 6, 2006 @ 8:33 pm
Exactly. In fact, I bet Heather will be more of a father than any dead-beat dad going…
December 6th, 2006 at 8:44 pmHow these women can be Republican supporters is as puzzling to me as how any woman with an ounce of self-esteem could be a Christian.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:46 pmOne day I hope that we will look upon these unnecessarily restrictive laws as ridiculous, and rescind them.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:47 pmChristianists can say all they want about the “ideal” family and they would be right – in “ideal circumstances.” But reality is not ideal. Real life has many variations. Christianists might like to think that Americans are more like Ozzie and Harriet, but they are not only out of touch with reality, they are delusional.
Perhaps the celebrity status of Mary Cheney will advance the cause and begin the elimination of laws based on ignorance and bias.
My only contrary thought is that I wish they had adopted a child already born – but maybe Virginia law doesn’t permit that either.
Exactly. In fact, I bet Heather will be more of a father than any dead-beat dad going…
Comment by unbelievable
One or two happy parents, in any combination, are far better than having one parent missing by choice, or present but miserable.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:49 pmLet’s hope that John Kerry doesn’t mention this…
What was the quote that she gave about him mentioning her during the “debate”. I’m sure it had a swear word involved…
What a bitch.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:50 pmMarie,
Well said. Reality is not ideal.
Actually, I think the average parents are more like Ozzie and Sharon, without the wealth.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:51 pm“…by finding that the parent’s status as gay or lesbian is not in the “best interests†of the child.”
does that mean the State of Virginia will take the baby from cheney and find a “suitable” home?
December 6th, 2006 at 8:52 pm.
One or two happy parents, in any combination, are far better than having one parent missing by choice, or present but miserable.
Comment by Zooey — December 6, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
I have a couple of kids in my classes who would break your heart from what they’ve gone through with abusive parents. Great kids too. It’s heart breaking, and why I would sooner give a child for adoption to two gay people who are stable, respectful and happy than a screwed up straight couple. The ramifications otherwise are not fair to the child (who I guess after being born is no longer a concern of the Christonazi Neocons anyway)
December 6th, 2006 at 8:55 pmYou reap what you sow.
It is baffling to me why gay and lesbian Americans would support Republicans and their discriminatory initiatives, and why they would join religious denominations that teach them that their sexual urges are “unnatural”, “immoral”, and “against god”.
Anti-gay laws in Virginia are the direct result of Republican pandering to those denominations, and both Mary Cheney and her partner are now on the receiving end of the very same intolerance her father’s party has fostered.
This should be a cautionary tale for everyone: Do not lend support to initiatives that scapegoat a minority, sexual or otherwise. It might return to bite you on your behind.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:55 pm“…don’t be a silly twit.”
you’re talking about a wingnut here…you can’t be serious.
This is not a “twit” (which would be a goofey, innocuos person) you’re talking about, this is a seriously demented malicious person hell bent on controlling other people’s lives and passing judgements on them according to their book of rules, i.e., a wingnut.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:56 pm.
unbelievable,
I’ve seen it many times, in my former workplaces, and in general. The things children are put through in the name of genetics or biology, are disgusting. Then you have a perfectly stable and financially able couple who would like to adopt, but they’re gay, so forget it — you perverts.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:00 pm…this is a seriously demented malicious person hell bent on controlling other people’s lives and passing judgements on them according to their book of rules, i.e., a wingnut.
Comment by yowzer
I was going to use an “a” instead of an “i,” but I didn’t want to get deleted — again, so I attempted to diminish her. “Twit” got your attention, yowzer, would “wingnut” have had the same effect?
December 6th, 2006 at 9:04 pmThis is amazing. Two women, republicans at that, mate and one will soon bear a child. The Immaculate Conception of the 21st century.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:05 pmFrom AmericaBlog, about the VA law:
The law may even nullify any wills that Mary and Heather write regarding each other, and it may make it impossible for gay people to go to court to resolve any difference about anything – the courts can’t recognize gay unions, so they can’t make any decisions that would imply recognition (custody, hospital visitation, wills, etc.)
That’s as sick and twisted as it gets — I hope.
Heather might as well be that child’s neighbor for all the rights she’ll have.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:09 pmAll of the above is why we need to constitutionally take religion out of politics, law and government. Else, eventually we will have our own evangelical religious right verison of the talliban for a government.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:10 pmThe things children are put through in the name of genetics or biology, are disgusting.
Agreed. A womb does not make a woman a mother as sperm does not make a man a father. An archaic view in our judicial system that needs revision.
Then you have a perfectly stable and financially able couple who would like to adopt, but they’re gay, so forget it — you perverts.
Comment by Zooey — December 6, 2006 @ 9:00 pm
Say the “moral majority” thumping their bibles while cheating on their spouses, neglecting their own children, stealing from their jobs, coveting, lying, eating shellfish, and wearing wool and cotton simultaneously…
December 6th, 2006 at 9:11 pm….and wingers have the big brass ones to suggest that anyone else is a sicko!!?!? with hope, and education, superstition may yet die out altogether.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:19 pmSay the “moral majority†thumping their bibles while cheating on their spouses, neglecting their own children, stealing from their jobs, coveting, lying, eating shellfish, and wearing wool and cotton simultaneously…
— unbelievable
MMMM, shrimp, crabs, oysters… Guess I am going to hell LOL
Yeah, the so called “moral majority” has proven not to be so moral and this last election, they were not a majority.
Myth: The Republicans lost their base last election
Truth: The base turned out, they just got beat.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:22 pmI have a good friend who is a pretty big Jesus Freak. He attends church weekly (Catholic). Last week he was complaining about how much his priests discuss their political views during mass. He was angry that they were mixing politics with religion because he’s one of the sane Christians who values the separation of church and state.
I think religions need to be reminded to stay out of politics in this country. We could start reminding them with a revocation of their tax status exemptions… So they would have less time to put their noses in the political arena.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:24 pmMMMM, shrimp, crabs, oysters… Guess I am going to hell LOL
Good thing for you that there isn’t one ; )
Yeah, the so called “moral majority†has proven not to be so moral and this last election, they were not a majority.
Kind of ironic, huh?
Myth: The Republicans lost their base last election
Truth: The base turned out, they just got beat.
Comment by Wayne — December 6, 2006 @ 9:22 pm
Agreed. It’s the middle who decides elections – not the 30% bases at either end.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:28 pm“He was angry that they were mixing politics with religion.”
they ought to be investigating the church’s tax exempt status if they’re preaching politics – its illegal for tax exempts.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:33 pm.
#10 Shawn Fassett
Let’s hope that John Kerry doesn’t mention this…
What was the quote that she gave about him mentioning her during the “debateâ€. I’m sure it had a swear word involved…
I believe the phrase was “Go f*ck yourself.”
Just like Daddy always says.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:43 pmwell, zooey, it’s not about franken, but here’s your answer…
how sad that people have to turn ugly about this…
i agree with most comments here, but appreciate marie’s sentiments, especially this:
December 6th, 2006 at 9:48 pmOne day I hope that we will look upon these unnecessarily restrictive laws as ridiculous, and rescind them.
me too… and it won’t be too soon…
they ought to be investigating the church’s tax exempt status if they’re preaching politics – its illegal for tax exempts.
— yowzer
it’s also illegal to cover up for pedophiles, the catholic church has been doing that for many many years.
Makes a good reason to send kids to church with condoms, You never know how many other children that priest has been with.
The catholic church also aided and abetted the nazis in WWII as well as Mussolini and company.
Disgusting holier than thou hypocritical assholes……
And thats not even getting into the other christofascist churches.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:50 pmYou’re right katy,
They didn’t go for Franken, but right for the throat of the pregnant woman. It’s shameful.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:53 pmNow I’m anxious to see Lynne launch into a screaming bitchfest and tear into Concerned Women for America and Focus on the Family.
If she’s going to go nutzoid over Kerry merely mentioning that her daughter is gay, surely she won’t sit still while someone calls her daughter’s pregnancy “unconscionable”. Right?
December 6th, 2006 at 9:55 pmSo Mary Cheney’s pregnant. I’m sure somewhere, someone, is saying “this is all Bill Clinton’s fault.” Oh how sweet the irony would be, if that was only true.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:58 pm…surely she won’t sit still while someone calls her daughter’s pregnancy “unconscionableâ€. Right?
Comment by chimpeach
Hmmmm, we shall see…
**crickets chirping**
December 6th, 2006 at 10:01 pmyes, chimpeach, if she’s a “normal” mom…
December 6th, 2006 at 10:28 pmthis is one instance that lynne should not let politics stand in her way…
she better get out there and shut these sanctimonious idjits up… soon…
This is sexual apartheid, and its institutionalization is corrupting to our national purposes. It it any wonder our soldiers disdain gay Iraqis who flee to them for protection?
December 6th, 2006 at 10:38 pmThose that belong to or are related to the top 1% of America’s wealth are above the rules that apply to the common folk. Regardless of public opinion or law, these people will do whatever they please.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:44 pmCrouse and Earll can just spare me the lecturing that spills forth from their mouths. Oh, and they can bite me, too.
It isn’t about whether or not there’s a man in the house to help raise a child. It’s about those damned same sex couples.
Where is it written that a child must…must…have a father? Yes, in a perfect world, that would be great. Newsflash…we don’t live in a perfect world.
My parents split 23 years ago after a 15 year marriage and at least 2 separate incidents in which Dad had affairs. For several years after the divorce, I didn’t have anything to do with him. I do now, but on a limited basis. He lives near town, but I see him about twice a month. He rarely calls me…I have to call him, generally, if I want to talk to him ….and when I or my family wants to go visit him, he usually has to check his schedule as he is so busy with his life.
Yes, I had a father in the house, but looking back, he wasn’t much of a father. He was more interested in chasing the women and living the life HE wanted to live, and to heck with me and Mom.
So Ms. Crouse and Ms. Earll, the fact that there was a man in the house I called Dad didn’t really mean much.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:44 pmAnd they’re fortunate that they have the means to move to Maryland or Mass or NJ or Hawaii if need be. Thanks to the efforts of mary’s dad and his bitch kkkarl working and middle class lesbians don’t have that option.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:01 pmAnybody can father a child. All it takes is sperm. It takes a real man to be a Dad.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — December 6, 2006 @ 10:51 pm
Well said!
December 6th, 2006 at 11:11 pmIt takes a real man to be a Dad.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — December 6, 2006 @ 10:51 pm
Exactly.A woman cannot be a DAD!
December 6th, 2006 at 11:23 pmyes, chimpeach, if she’s a “normal†mom…
this is one instance that lynne should not let politics stand in her way…
she better get out there and shut these sanctimonious idjits up… soon…
Comment by katy — December 6, 2006 @ 10:28 pm
This goes against everything you have ever fought for katy.
You just can`t have it both ways.She is of the opposition party,but because she is lesbian,you defend her to fit your agenda.
hypocrit.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:25 pm#41 red state loyalist
Exactly.A woman cannot be a DAD!
Then I guess you’ve got something you’d like to say to all those gay Republicans like Mary Cheney and her partner who would probably say it’s not important, as well as Dick and Lynne Cheney, the parents who raised her to think that way.
Of course, I think the Cheneys’ argument probably runs along the lines of “It’s okay for us because we’re Republicans and are therefore inherently exempt from all moral dictates, even the ones we try to impose on everyone else.”
What say you then, red state lunatic?
December 6th, 2006 at 11:32 pm#34 katy
yes, chimpeach, if she’s a “normal†mom…
this is one instance that lynne should not let politics stand in her way…
she better get out there and shut these sanctimonious idjits up… soon…
I think Zooey probably guessed correctly what Lynne Cheney’s response is going to be:
“**crickets chirping**”
I don’t expect her to put motherhood ahead of partisanship. She’s never demonstrated that kind of character before.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:37 pmExactly.A woman cannot be a DAD!
Comment by red state loyalist
Bullsh*t. While I cannot be male, I was both mother and father to my sons. I’m the one who had the “bird & bees” talks with them, I’m the one who taught them how to shave, I’m the one who taught them about responsbility and work, etc.
It would have been great if their father had done those things, but he didn’t. A woman picked up his slack.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:38 pmExactly.A woman cannot be a DAD!
Comment by red state loyalist
Bullsh*t. While I cannot be male, I was both mother and father to my sons. I’m the one who had the “bird & bees†talks with them, I’m the one who taught them how to shave, I’m the one who taught them about responsbility and work, etc.
It would have been great if their father had done those things, but he didn’t. A woman picked up his slack.
Comment by Zooey — December 6, 2006 @ 11:38 pm
heterosexual single mom(dad) is okay,my sister did the same thing.
lesbian mom CANNOT be a dad because they are already too screwed up just trying to be a WOMAN.
Thanks for the clarification zooey.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:50 pmzooey,
kudos for you.however I must digress and all the arguing in the world will do you no good.
you were born FEMALE.
Fathers are MALE.
You may have been a good replacement,however you could never be the “genuine article”
December 6th, 2006 at 11:52 pmMary Cheney’s father Dick got his wife pregnant to avoid the draft for Vietnam war, so Mary is doing the same since an emergency draft is in the works. Pregnant women and their husbands/partners will get differments. Bush’s two daughters have been told to remain in South America and Hillary Clinton’s daughter is being sent to Britain as a Rhodes Scholar, like her dad Bill did to avoid the draft. Average Americans sons and daughters will not be so lucky, because they will be forced to join the military.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:52 pmlesbian mom CANNOT be a dad because they are already too screwed up just trying to be a WOMAN.
Comment by red state loyalist
I guess you are assuming I’m a heterosexual woman.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:54 pmYou may have been a good replacement,however you could never be the “genuine articleâ€
Comment by red state loyalist
You are an utter moron.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:55 pmTake hate away from Christocrats and what do they have? Nothing.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:59 pm#35. Matt Phillips. I support gay marriage and I support gays and lesbians having children. I believe our society (sooner rather than later, hopefully) will evolve to a point where it would never be a consideration. Your post, however, highlights a mindset from many here, that I don’t understand. You are focusing on the U.S. soldiers who ignore gays seeking help, with little or no comment on the Islamic fundamentalist that are killing gays for being gay. Is the selective outrage a healthy assessment of the situation? Is our narcissistic pursuit of infallibility as a society blinding us to the real assaults on human liberty coming from fundamentalist Islam?
December 6th, 2006 at 11:59 pm#49. Zooey. Heterosexual? Homosexual? It doesn’t matter to me. Either way, I’m willing to be your Daddy.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:03 amHow I hope and dream one day that child will reminise about this debate and laugh to itself what a long time ago it was. One day America will be saying to itself, I wonder what all the fuss over gay marriage was about.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:15 amyes, chimpeach, if she’s a “normal†mom…
this is one instance that lynne should not let politics stand in her way…
she better get out there and shut these sanctimonious idjits up… soon…
Comment by katy — December 6, 2006 @ 10:28 pm
This goes against everything you have ever fought for katy.
You just can`t have it both ways.She is of the opposition party,but because she is lesbian,you defend her to fit your agenda.
hypocrit.
Comment by wilson — December 6, 2006 @ 11:25 pm
how the hell do you know what i’ve ever fought for? … i don’t recall a ‘wilson’ here before… and i can have it any way i want it…
i’m not concerned with any party affiliation – a mother defends her child against ignorant, sanctimonious, self-righteous boobs and boors…
if lynne can conjur up fake indignation about kerry’s mention of her openly gay daughter, then surely she can find the honest nerve to defend mary against these undue attacks…
i’m also not concerned with sexual preference – the fact is mary and heather are in love and want to share that love with a child…
seems a perfectly natural progression of the circle of life…
too bad it’s so hard for some to respect that for just what it is…
live and let live – that’s quite an ‘agenda’… try it…
December 7th, 2006 at 12:43 am.
Angie. It’s crazy to think that anyone would choose to be gay when you take into account all the negative consequences that come along with it. (People making fun of you, parental disapproval, discrimination). It is much easier to be heterosexual. When you take that into consideration, it is rational to believe that people are born gay or born with the propensity to be gay. If that is the case, God has either made mistakes by accidentally creating gay people or loves gay people and is dismayed by those using Him as justification for discrimination.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:55 amSittin in the shower thinkin what its like to be a man….
Why can’t we just be people…..
December 7th, 2006 at 1:13 amAngie. The only proof you have, is that the book of revelation was written by a homophobe. I know you mean well, but do me a favor. Jesus is a pretty important guy, if you’re a Christian, right? What does he say about homosexuality? I’m sure if it is as big a deal as you believe it is, He would have hit it pretty hard. Just asking.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:13 amRSA-
Are you part of the Phelps clan?
December 7th, 2006 at 1:36 am66.
I have heard this copy-paste diatribe on here once before.
I didn`t believe it then,I surely don`t believe it now.
67.
I do not answer to your……….type.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:42 amI answer to God only.He is the truth,the life,the way.
SO basically you’re saying yes…you do those things…but no, it’s not as bad as homosexuality because you love God, and that you’re not going to answer me because you don’t want to look like a jackass who says one thing and does another, again, like Ted Haggard?
Okay cool just checking!
December 7th, 2006 at 1:47 amps- the reason you don’t answer my “type” is because my “type” is logical, rational, and factual. Your “type” bases logic on a book translated hundreds of times over thousands of years.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:48 amah yes, another christian deaf to the ears of logic and the scandels of hypocricy. nothing new.
keep telling yourself you’re going to heaven while you’re wearing that nice cotton polyester blend and munching on that BLT.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:50 amrespond to what exactly? you responded to my post, it’s not my fault the server posts twice and is shady with the timing of posts.
and no, i am not asking if you are a lesbian. clearly when you spoke of religious dogma and acted holier than thou, it didn’t scream “liberal” to me.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:54 amclearly liberals can be Christian (hey, I’m catholic). But something about picking and choosing scripture passages that exclude members of society screams under right wing conservative christian.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:00 amRSL Angie,
let’s get back to the real issue here. There is a baby coming, another human being. This baby is wanted and will have loving parents, sounds good enough for me.
By the way I have even learned (in catholic church) that throwing stones is only for the ones who are without sin. Are you?
December 7th, 2006 at 2:52 amwhen the vatican tells us to go to war.we go to war.period.
there is no discussion.non christians summarily get taken out.it is a genocide mission from the christians waged every few decades to keep non christian numbers in check.
It has been going on for centuries.It truly is the epic battle of good vs. evil
December 7th, 2006 at 2:59 amThis is exactly one of the reasons why I’m not a practicing catholic/christian anymore. So much hypocracy and myopia fueled by the myth that Adam and Eve propagated society. If so, that was the most incestious family in history. Fast foward to today’s xtians and their selective interpretation of bible passages to suit their own twisted agendas, condemning and judging on one hand while preaching love and acceptance on the other. Spewing fire and brimstone at homosexuals in the street while committing deviant acts at home and sheltering child molestors.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:02 am-80-
You are a vile one aren`t you.
I will pray for you.
That is the power of prayer and faith.
No one can ever take it away from you or deny your right to the power to pray.
So I will go now and pray for you and your salvation.Whether you like it.Or want it or not.
It is God`s will that I pray to Jesus for you.
You are God`s child.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:10 amHe loves you.
The road to Hell is always paved with good intentions. And I an’t talking about Purgatory.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:11 am82..
It is never too late.I am the worst sinner in the world,but I have made peace with God.
That is the beauty of it all.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:31 am82..
It is never too late.I am the worst sinner in the world,but I have made peace with God.
That is the beauty of it all.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:31 amI fail to see why Mary Cheney’s private business matter more than the death of 800 years of English Common Law in the Military Commissions Act, Nico. Get some perspective. The words you should be thinking about are HABEAS CORPUS. Let us know what you find….
December 7th, 2006 at 3:43 amDear Levi,
Take your prayer and stuff it where light of the good lord doesn’t shine, chum…p.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:44 am#85 Republican Double Standards
Terry, in order to connect the dots, its important to expose the double standards of Republicans who wage war against the homosexual community.
December 7th, 2006 at 5:48 amI think Ken Mehlman, David Drier, and Mark Foley should hold a baby shower for Mary. It could have a closest theme.
December 7th, 2006 at 6:23 am#85 That is known as the ‘Frank Principle’, named for Barney Frank. Frank says, and rightly so, that if a person openly opposes a certain type of behavior yet, when behind closed doors, engages in that very same behavior, he or she should be exposed.
I agree.
December 7th, 2006 at 7:22 amStrange things happen on Earth, More so in Hollywood.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
December 7th, 2006 at 7:32 amFunny I never heard anything about the father not being in the baby’s life. Crouse needs to shut her mouth until she gets all the facts.
December 7th, 2006 at 8:32 amMary Cheney’s Partner ‘Will Have No Legal Relationship With Her Child’ Under Virginia Law
How is this news ?
What other outcome could there possibly have been for someone who has no legal relationship to the mother, nor sought one ?
Is it post something obvious day or did you just run out of real news to report here.
December 7th, 2006 at 8:34 amChrist you’ve even given this the tag of a “human rights” story. Much in the same way that every girlfriend everywhere has their human rights infringed by not having legal status in regard to a child that isn’t theirs. Theres about 100,000 years of precedent there you might want to get started on, pretty much all of which would have ended with a bad result if what you are proposing as a “human right” was granted as such.
Awesome service you’re doing there.
Once again, the Liberal Communist Media is MISSIN’ THE WHOLE POINT!!!
The very fact that Mary Cheney is PREGNIT means she CAN’T be a LEZBEEN no more!!! Unless she’s Holy Mary, Mother o’God, there’s only ONE way fer a woman to get a belly fulla baby, and that’s … well… they might be childrun readin’ this, and they need to get this information from they PARENTS (soon as they turns 18 or gets married).
If she wants to be FRIENDS with this here Heather chick, that’s fine! But she needs to MARRY the daddy of her baby and then plunk her butt down in the kitchen and get started on a meat loaf so it will be ready when he gets home from work.
Dammit.
December 7th, 2006 at 8:40 amThis place looks like a damn gay/lesbian advocacy site.
Not only that,it takes up the most space on the page…this “story”? does.
Any real news in the world?
Let`s get something staright huh?Cheney`s daughter is a freakin non starter.
Okay?
December 7th, 2006 at 8:40 amThink you might be missing the point here. The father is irrelevant because there is a girlfriend involved. Once you have a girlfriend any meaningful legal interest the father may have had based on the child being his passes to the girlfriend as a human rights issue.
December 7th, 2006 at 8:43 amGet it ? Of course you do, it just makes so much sense.
Hell you can even apply it to your own circumstances since gender and sexuality aren’t a factor. Pretend your partner just got another partner and see how well it works.
Yew LIBERAL COMMIES need to start LISTENIN’ to Red State Loyalist! He, She or It is ABSOLEWTLY RIGHT about God hatin’ homersexshuls.
It says it, right there in the Bible, which as we all know was NOT wrote by superstitious men 4,000 to 2,000 years ago in an attempt to explain the origins of the world in the best way they knew how. It was wrote by the FIERY FINGER of GOD HISSELF!!! Except for the other parts that the Bible says you shouldn’t do neither… like eat pork, wear mixed fabrics, or allow women what is havin’ their “monthlies” to bunk down with the tribe. God didn’t write THOSE parts… they was added later.
Remember… people like Red State Loyalist KNOWS the “mind of God” better than YOU do! And if you EVER has any questions about what God thinks about ANYTHING, don’t listen to yer own conscience. That might be SATAN — or a tumor. Just ask Red State Loyalist. SHE knows!!!
December 7th, 2006 at 9:13 am#99 – Because his claim is completely fallacious. It’s the tactic of those who claim to read the Bible: what I say is always correct and I refuse to read the Bible to defend my cherry-picking of the verses to which I adhere.
Of course, they’ll refuse to acknowledge the inconsistencies and error’s in the Bible because they do not support their preconceived prejudices.
How about where the Bible states that rabbits chew their cud? They don’t.
How about where the Bible states that insects have four legs? They have six.
Clams, oysters, crabs, lobsters, and shrimp are abominations to God.
According to numerous verses, children are responsible and will be punished for the iniquities of their fathers.
When modern day Christians claim to follow the Bible, they’re actually saying they only follow parts of the Bible that are selected as acceptable and ignore vast sections that don’t quite jive with how they view God.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:19 amMary Cheney remains staunchly right wing in her politics even while that same right wing attacks her character. Strange indeed.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:20 am#101…..
December 7th, 2006 at 9:23 amhomosexual bands?
Do you mean, like Queen, or the Village People? I really liked Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders From Mars……..
never saw them on the streets, though, always had to pay to get in……….
Sorry, truck driver dude, my post #104 was referencing to post #100, not yours of #101………….
December 7th, 2006 at 9:28 am#100
All I ask for is a simple chapter & verse and what I get is a tirade. Funny, you manage to find 6 other chapters and verses but can’t mangage the one I ask for. I would like to read it for myself and not “capture the essence”.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:30 am104. One of my favorites was the Violent Femmes.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:30 amSeven Things I Wish
Anti-Gay People Would Admit
1- I wish they would admit that many people are very happy with their homosexuality or lesbianism, and that just because others don’t agree with their sexual orientation doesn’t mean they’re not happy with their lives.
2 – I wish they would acknowledge that forcing people to ignore their natural sexual orientation is just as bad as trying to force a heterosexual to be gay.
3 – I wish they wouldn’t claim that just because some people have embraced an ex-gay lifestyle that it doesn’t mean everyone has to do so. Some people love to eat strictly vegan lifestyles, but it doesn’t mean everyone has to!
4 – I wish they would acknowledge that there are more people who tried to become “ex-gay†and realized it wasn’t for them than there are those who’ve remained “ex-gayâ€. Notice that nobody has any real numbers of people who’ve remained ex-gay? When 100 people try something, and only 2 of them succeed, it’s not a really good track record.
5 – I wish they would listen to those who couldn’t change their sexual orientation and hear about how mentally and emotionally painful the experience was. Of course, that would be asking the compassionate conservatives to exercise compassion.
6 – I wish they would acknowledge that people have the right to make a life for themselves no matter their sexual orientation! Not every same-sex couple is plotting to seduce heterosexuals. (I wonder why this is such a theme among the “scared of gay†heterosexuals? Maybe they have hidden fantasies.)
7 – I wish they would stop equating “let us live our lives free from scorn†with “you’re shoving your sexual orientation in my face just by breathing!†How can you have such disparate double standards and not suffer from cognitive dissonance? I guess it truly takes a malformed mind to be able to maintain such hypocritical standards.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:31 amWell said, Dem Soldier.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:35 am#102
Bats are also birds and don’t forget the 4 legged fowls. Lev. 11:13-20
December 7th, 2006 at 9:35 amnot nice
December 7th, 2006 at 9:37 amAngie,
Would you be interested in a nice bridge that I’m selling?
December 7th, 2006 at 9:40 am#112 – Hey Zooey, how’s life?
I’ve been incredibly busy lately. I’m getting ready to graduate suma cum laude, I’ve been working extra hours to get servers working before Christmas, I’m planning on re-building my mom’s backyard fence, I’ve been donating time & money to Habitat for Humanity, I’ve been a mentor at the local school helping at the computer lab, and trying to keep my two Dachshunds exercising!
I hope this Cristmas brings you joy and happiness!
December 7th, 2006 at 9:40 am#115 – I guess that sarcasm is beyond some people. ;-)
December 7th, 2006 at 9:41 amHey “RSLA”, Looks like you “stole” your list from someone else. That’s called plagarism! Stealing is also considered a sin based on the Bible you profess to care about. I guess asking you to follow the 10 commandments is too much to ask, right?
Well, since I made my list myself, I’ll print the rebuttal list published along side your stolen list.
http://www.whosoever.org/7_things.shtml
Seven Things I Wish
Anti-Gay People Would Admit
By: Candace Chellew
1. I wish they would admit that many people are very happy with their homosexuality or lesbianism, and that there is no internal conflict. Based on intelligent religious and moral convictions, homosexuals are assured they are in the place God has for them, and there is nothing wrong with their sexual orientation. They do not feel the need to “come out” of their homosexuality simply because of the guilt anti-gay forces try to impose upon them.
Stop throwing around the cheap, inaccurate labels like “immoral lifestyle” to explain our lives.
2. I wish they would acknowledge that homosexuals and lesbians can experience significant joy and fulfillment through their sexual feelings and desires.
Be honest enough to admit that fulfilling relationships are possible within a homosexual context.
3. I wish they would acknowledge that present homosexuals and lesbians find a greater measure of peace and satisfaction after leaving a heterosexual lifestyle than they ever experienced while embracing heterosexuality.
Those “ex-gays” who aren’t miserable, and can honestly say they have no more feelings of homosexual attraction, were probably never gay to begin with, and they have “come out” as heterosexuals, much like a homosexual “coming out” of heterosexuality. These people most likely won’t even refer to themselves as “ex-gays” … they have moved on with their lives.
4. I wish they would acknowledge that many homosexuals and lesbians have genuine joy in their marriages (or holy unions)!
Most gays and lesbians seek that solid relationship on which to build their future. They marry, or have holy unions, as a natural consequence of realizing their homosexuality is proper and natural.
5. I wish they would acknowledge that all people have as much right to pursue a homosexual relationship as they do to pursue heterosexuality.
Gays and lesbians should not be harassed and castigated by the “ex-gay” community. I have never heard any “ex-gay” leaders speak out against the violence (such as the bombing at an Atlanta gay nightclub) perpetrated against the gay community.
6. I wish they would stop equating our decisions to remain homosexual with being “misguided” or “sick” or in need of “healing” or “saving.”
We don’t hate “ex-gays;” we simply desire to live free of their efforts to “recruit” us to their side. Don’t put nasty labels on our motives. That’s being judgmental and unfair.
7. I wish anti-gay religious leaders would stop teaching that all homosexuals care about is sex. Many live in monogomous, happy relationships.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:49 amMany — probably most — men and women involved in state-sanctioned marriages are not sexually monogomous, but mainstream churches don’t discipline members for committing adultery outside their marriages. Some churches even allow admitted adulterers and divorced people to remain in the pulpit or serve as deacons. Also, there is no discipline for those heterosexual couples who have sex before their marriages.
Okay, so “god” doesn’t like homosexual men, but “says” nothing about women because everyone loves lesbians. =P
December 7th, 2006 at 9:50 amI guess that sarcasm is beyond some people. ;-)
Comment by Democrat Soldier
Yep. Our Angie is sporting a buzz cut now. :)
I’ve been wondering where you went off to. Life is good, my friend. Got fired from a job I hated, which is good because I was able to milk the bennies for all they were worth. ;)
Congrats on graduating summa cum laude! I’m starting at the University in January, and I’m so excited. I’m surprised they don’t have a major in college boys! Well, maybe in the ROTC department…
Keep those little dogs running! That way they can’t get at the ankles. Happy Holidays to you and yours!
December 7th, 2006 at 9:54 am#121 – And for some reason, you refuse to provide links for any of your claims.
One can only assume the reason you do so is because they are not backed up by proof, only rumor.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:57 amHey “RSLAâ€, Looks like you “stole†your list from someone else. That’s called plagarism! Stealing is also considered a sin based on the Bible you profess to care about. I guess asking you to follow the 10 commandments is too much to ask, right?
Democratic Soldier________________________________________________
Democratic Soldier, wrong! She listed the name of the author above her post.
_________________________________________________________
1. I wish they would admit that many people are very happy with their homosexuality or lesbianism, and that there is no internal conflict. Based on intelligent religious and moral convictions, homosexuals are assured they are in the place God has for them, and there is nothing wrong with their sexual orientation. They do not feel the need to “come out†of their homosexuality simply because of the guilt anti-gay forces try to impose upon them.
Stop throwing around the cheap, inaccurate labels like “immoral lifestyle†to explain our lives.
Democratic Soldier___________________________________________
How can you acknowledge that God designed certain men/women to become homosexuals?
December 7th, 2006 at 10:02 am#121 – And for some reason, you refuse to provide links for any of your claims.
One can only assume the reason you do so is because they are not backed up by proof, only rumor.
Comment by Democrat Soldier — December 7, 2006 @ 9:57 am
Seek redepmtion and you’ll have the complete biblical understanding, rather than seeking proof from a link that was produced by theoratical views.
December 7th, 2006 at 10:06 am#124…
December 7th, 2006 at 10:07 amNot so certain you needed to correct the use of the term “think the Lord for you”…
Such has been the tradition of the Christian church since about 300 A.D., where the clergy has sought to interpret and control the thoughts and beliefs of it followers….
You better be a CHICK battin’ them eyes at me like that, Red State Loyalist, or else we’s gonna have to go outside and DISCUSS this! And if you ARE a chick… well, we could still go outside if yew wanna… :)
December 7th, 2006 at 10:09 amRedemption? Why not ask Dick Cheney to do so for allowing such sinful acts in his house?
Daryll, you know the Bible is not a factual document but rather a moral guide line.
People really didn’t live for 600 years begating all over the place and older versions of the bible don’t talk about homosexuals.
December 7th, 2006 at 10:11 am#128..
December 7th, 2006 at 10:13 amdid you mean theocratical views?
#121 Why don`t you take this fine day,pour a nice cup of coffee,grab your bible (which version do you have)?-and try to HELP find it on your own,if it doesn`t burn your sinful mind.
Lu 6:37 -
“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
You do not know me so how would you know what is in my mind, sinful or not? Just because I asked you to provide a passage you become defensive and nasty? Not very Christ like. Try a concordance. This is what I did and I could not find the passage using the words you provided.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
December 7th, 2006 at 10:15 amMohandas Gandhi
#127 – Re-read Post 100. All “RSLA” posts is:
Seven Things I Wish
Pro-Gay People Would Admit
Implying that she was the author. If you don’t give a reference to something you copy and paste, you’re stealing ideas. Ding, one point for me!
As for God making homosexuals, all you have to do is look at the animal kingdom!
“But, actually, some same-sex birds do do it. So do beetles, sheep, fruit bats, dolphins, and orangutans. Zoologists are discovering that homosexual and bisexual activity is not unknown within the animal kingdom.”
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/07/0722_040722_gayanimal.html
If you’ve ever been around animals, you’d come across same-sex behavior. And it’s not only among zoos or farms when animals are segregated by sex. It’s been documented in numerous articles.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but sexual orientation is greater than the “Adam and Eve” argument from right-wing Christians. It’s even greater than what we currently understand today! I don’t claim to understand it completely, just what I know about me.
December 7th, 2006 at 10:22 amHow can you acknowledge that God designed certain men/women to become homosexuals?
Comment by Daryll
I’m not speaking for Dem Soldier, of course, but Daryll, how can you question god’s intentions or design?
Daryll, are you a Jehovah’s Witness?
December 7th, 2006 at 10:24 amRead your bible only female same sex acts are not banned. I will put money on the fact this child will have more advantages more love than many of the so called homophobes who spend more time worrying about others than caring 4 there own children.
December 7th, 2006 at 10:25 am#128 – “rather than seeking proof from a link that was produced by theoratical views.” Comment by Daryll — December 7, 2006 @ 10:06 am
So, you’re saying that the numbers of men who contracted an STD from sex with men is a theoretical concept? Um, nope. You’re wrong. In fact, my statistics professor would disagree with you on that one!
When you track something like speed of cars that pass by, then you’re getting into major variations. Was the car speeding at 3.678934 miles over the speed rounded up or rounded down?
When you get into whole numbers, such as the number of people who were tested positive for an STD, you don’t have a partial person. It’s either all or nothing. Kind of like “I’m only a little bit pregnant, so I’m still partially a virgin!â€
December 7th, 2006 at 10:27 amDear Lord, protect me from your follwers!
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”
- Jeremiah 14:13
The question we must answer in relation to faith: who decides what is hubris?
December 7th, 2006 at 10:30 amPlease somebody offers them a reality show!!!! the situation is a walking contradiction = perfect tv material
December 7th, 2006 at 10:43 am100 The Bible is also clear on the matter of touching pig skin (same book of Leveticus) so why the hell aren’t you and your Godhatesfags groups protesting every football game in America?! The same book also condemns mixing fabrics as well as instructions on how to properly sacrifice and mutilate animals to god -so you better get on that.
December 7th, 2006 at 10:53 amRSLA,
One thing you fail to realize is that there are many, many millions of people who do NOT believe in YOUR bible and YOUR god. Quote (or not!) the bible all you want, it means nothing to me. And many others. (and by the way, I have read it, have you?) I do not base my life on imaginary beings and anceint superstition. I can say it does have some things that are worth promoting, and many that shouldn’t be. I and many others live our lives based on loving our fellow humans and attampting to better society and our earth through deeds instead of words filled with division and hate. All I have to say to you is you need to EVOLVE!
People listen to people who are articulate and intelligent, people who frame their words with things that make sense to them. Based on what you have said so far, is it any wonder why you are getting so much flak? Yeah, I am going to listen to you, you have brought about so may valid, logical thoughts on homosexuallity to this discussion. NOT! Try not to base your entire world based on one book, ok? If you expand your world a little bit, you wil find all kinds of ways to exit the misery your Christian life brings you.
December 7th, 2006 at 10:53 amAmerican Taliban Red State Pig-lover, stick your Bible up your a$$. You want a Theocracy then why don’t you go back to Europe where you came from? That’s why people came to America to begin with – to get away from your religion-forcing arseholes.
I’m Jesus and I am preemptively sending you to Hell for trusting a book rather than me! Stop Bible-worship now! Screw the American Taliban.
December 7th, 2006 at 11:00 amThis goes against everything you have ever fought for katy.
You just can`t have it both ways.She is of the opposition party,but because she is lesbian,you defend her to fit your agenda.
hypocrit.
Comment by wilson — December 6, 2006 @ 11:25 pm
You mean like Republicans dredging up Bill Clinton when his past actions and policies are used in an attemtp to defend Bush’s.
December 7th, 2006 at 11:12 amDear Daryll
December 7th, 2006 at 11:13 amMary is with child.
Go now to the Land of Virginia and wait by the Side of the Road for a Sign I will Give unto Thee
RSLA
I’m not going to read the ‘books’ you posted here earlier. If you can’t articulate your thoughts in your own words, then just post a link or a title and author. But, let’s just touch on a few things, though:
You are excessively focused on homosexuality. It appears to be an obsession with you. The amount of attention that you seem to think is warranted by the moral aspects of homosexuality isn’t reflected anywhere in the books of the Bible. I would warn you against quoting selectively from Leviticus, because you will surely be hammered about your failure to observe all the other rituals of Jewish law that are contained in that one book. If homosexuality were as big an issue to your god as you would like us to believe, there would certainly be some mention of it in the Ten Commandments. But, it’s not even listed as a cardinal sin, although “lust” is. Shouldn’t you be campaigning against lust, both homosexual AND heterosexual?
You need to ask yourself why you’re obsessed with other people’s sex lives. You should be wondering why it is you can’t stop thinking about what other people do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. The answer is inside you, not in the Bible. You’ve got a problem.
December 7th, 2006 at 11:24 amNice, Chimpeach.
December 7th, 2006 at 11:36 amchimpeach, upon reflection of your post, I just need to say…
GAME…SET…MATCH!!!
December 7th, 2006 at 11:45 amNEXT
Here we are again, another day in bush bizarro world….Buried in christian spouting’s from reich wingers who think and demand we think their bible is the way and the light..Well so be it for them, but please spare me and other’s who disagree with you’re quotes from you’re book and use it on you’re holy day’s in you’re church……This is not a church group it is a progressive site and should be used for ideas of change and tread lightly on the relegious, Please. ..Regarding the cheney couple’s soon to be birth…I realy don’t care with the exception that it seem’s dreadful to me for any one to want to bring a child into the world of Mr. and Mrs. most evil grand parent’s….Aside from that I must agree with some of the poster’s that having a father figure in a family in not relevant….The only important issue is a loving parent or two no matter what their sex or sexual preferance is…Many gay’s and lesbian parent’s do as well and some better than straight parent’s depending on their comitment to the raising of the children……
With the bush war more and more single parent’s will have to raise their children alone and indeed if the war mongers continue with is madness grand parent’s will have to raise the children because of the loss of both parent’s….Again I ask the question I have asked before..Why do you care what you’re neighbors sexual preferance is.?..How doe’s that threaten you’re life in any way.?..Why do you insist that the bible that was written 2000+ year’s ago is the answer any more than Mother goose nursery rhime’s? …..Educate, read, meditate and teach tolerance for all……Stop suffocating people with word’s like the bible say’s and demanding you’re way is the only way……Blessings…Peace
December 7th, 2006 at 11:46 amyou were born FEMALE.
Fathers are MALE.
more logic from the red state loyalfist:
BLACKS ARE BROWN LIKE THE GROUND.
I AM WHITE LIKE THE CLOUDS IN THE SKY.
Hey Goober, Gomer, Jeb, Jeeter, whatever your name is.. I know you really appreciate the red states for their permissive inbreeding statutes, but puleeeze can you pull your babymaker from mommy’s rectum and put it where it belongs for once? your own mouth? Come to think of it, maybe you should savor the flavor of your lax red state incest laws while you can, there won’t be many red states left soon….
I’m very happy that you think you’re right and every other religion is wrong, just like every other religion things. I’m really glad it makes you feel better about yourself, that you have something with which to judge yourself better than others. But I hate to break it to you, there aint gonna be no rapture, you ain’t gonna float off into the sky. Beleive what you want, make imaginary quotes from a book full of self contradictory parables and fairy tales if you like, but please find something to blame your insecurities, fears, and perphaps secret desires on other than homosexuals. Honestly you people are more obssessed with gay sex than the ones who are out of the closet… I really think you need some “bible study” with the former minister from Colorado and his massage therapist.
I’m putting my she-cock on a bible right now and thinking of you baby.
Let me tell you something.. the only armageddon that is going to come about, ever, is one caused by you bible humping douchebags if you guys manage to get power again. Thanksfully, your lord and saviour george bush is going down in flam3s very soon, and I dont think another one of you hipocrital, hateful harpies is going to have much power in this country for a long time.
By the way, where the part of the bible that says “slayeth not the seed the womb, but wait till it sprouts and killeth it then in the name of spreading democracy! amen!”?
Its funny because I really do think there has to be a rational explanation for Jesus’s charisma and strong mental abilities.. I think he may have been an inbred actually,, doubled up on some of them good genes.. “virgin birth” my ass… more like daddy’s little girl. If Mary had taken one more load in her mouth your favorite saviour on a stick would been nothing but tonsil dressing, and who would feebs like you be on your knees wailing and weeping to then? A four armed camel instead of a guy in a toga with a beard?
December 7th, 2006 at 11:51 amSharon, great post as usual!
December 7th, 2006 at 11:52 amOf course, vis-a-vis the ‘elite’ neo-cons who Mary Cheney runs around with this baby presents no problem, thankfully. ‘Elite’ neo-cons are far from anti-gay vis-a-vis other ‘elite’ neo-cons. Neo-cons just oppress the vast majority of gays.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:10 pmExactly.A woman cannot be a DAD!
Comment by red state loyalist — December 6, 2006 @ 11:23 pm
Ah, Bullsh*t.
True, a woman is not a man, but where is it written that a woman cannot be a “Dad” in other ways? And while you are at it, tell us your definition of a “Dad” outside of a male human being who produces a child with a female and is a resident in a house with the child and mother and/or may have legal custody of said child.
Where is it written that a family MUST have a male adult present in order to be a successful family?
Please list the things a male “Dad” can do that a woman cannot possibly accomplish.
In the meantime, let me tell you about my Mom and the things that some might consider only Dad/son activities.
I like to watch football on TV.
So does Mom.
I like to attend football games.
So does Mom.
I like to watch NASCAR racing and attend local racing events.
So does Mom.
I like to watch and attend baseball games.
So does Mom.
I’m not a drug user nor an alcoholic. Why? Because MOM taught me early in life the evils of it. Dad, on the other hand, never bothered, instead suggesting years ago to Mom that I might have experimented with drugs without having a shred of evidence. Suffice it to say that Dad was a little bit disengaged from the family thing. You know…chasing other women and all that.
I am an auto enthusiast, read many car magazines, visit car dealerships to look at the latest models, and have an appreciation for classic cars.
So does Mom.
Many sons and Dads like to fish. I never did get into it. Neither did Mom.
I can talk to Mom, even at the age of 40, about anything and everything. Just the same as if I had a Dad.
So in the end, RSL, my Mom was a fine replacement for a “Dad.”
December 7th, 2006 at 12:14 pmHere’s something for the ‘red state minority’: Laws that work to forbid one group of people from enjoying the same freedoms of choice given to the majority (i.e. marriage rights, custody rights) do have their place. It’s called the Taliban Regime.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:27 pm“Homosexuality is Condemned in the Bible!”
And your holy book became the US Constitution, when?
December 7th, 2006 at 12:35 pmangie and Daryll
Jesus said that ALL the laws and commandments are based on 1) loving God and 2) loving each other. How does hating and oppressing homosexuals fit into that? Did you ever consider that God has made people “different” (lepers, epileptics, dark-skinned, short, ugly, mentally retarded, deaf, homosexual, etc) as a TEST to how believers treat “the least of these”? You can believe what you want about homosexuality and don’t practice it. For everyone else, why don’t you just leave them in God’s capable hands?
December 7th, 2006 at 12:38 pm“Homosexuality is Condemned in the Bible!â€
And your holy book became the US Constitution, when?
Comment by gorn — December 7, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
What gets me is that many of the people screaming “protect the the sanctity of marriage!” decided to make a little money from it.
Hence the marriage license and associated fee.
Doesn’t the Bible address the topic of greed?
December 7th, 2006 at 12:49 pmRed State must have given up …else she’s taking a break and sleeping with her Red State Brother because the Holy Babble doesn’t forbid that!
December 7th, 2006 at 12:52 pmComment by landofthefree — December 7, 2006 @ 12:27 pm
Red State Loyalists a terrorist sympathizer.
Who would have thunk it?
December 7th, 2006 at 12:53 pmIgnorance = Intolerance
The thing I find so funny about this whole “Values” crowd is that most of them are pro-life, but support the war which has killed tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children. They are also so indignant of anyone who disagrees with them, and constanly whine and complain about how Christians are persecuted for this or that imagined offense, then they turn around and try to discriminate and meddle in the lives of those they disagree with. Live your life how you like, but stay out of every one else’s way. These are the same people who were against the Civil Right’s Movement, against giving women the right to vote, and most of the other movements that have made this country great. The freedom they enjoy is the same freedom they try to take away from those different from them. Perhaps we should just go back to the days when a black man would be lynched for being with a white women? Shove gays back into the closet and women into the kitchen? Separate schools for minorities?
Ignorance = Hate
December 7th, 2006 at 12:55 pmHow did they decide who gets impregnated, flip a coin?
December 7th, 2006 at 1:00 pmHow do they chose the sperm donor, is it like shopping?
Is one a she-man?
Who gets to strap on the dildo?
How will they explain to the kid about the “birds and bees”?
Does the kid want a dad or will it be happy with a sperm donor?
WC,
You have a good mama.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:03 pmYeah the values crowd – they love ya as a fetus but once you’re born they say “screw you you’re on your own!” or send you off to war.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:18 pmFlaco
Your post 162 is awfully voyeuristic. So, I’ve got some questions for you:
How many windows do you peep in on an average week? How do you choose which window to look in? Do you masturbate there or wait until you get home? Has your mom ever caught you and how did you explain it to her or did she join you? Are you really as sex-obsessed as you appear here on TP?
December 7th, 2006 at 1:22 pmThis is funny:
“Homosexuality has been around a long time and is nothing new. It has been instrumental in destroying a number of civilizations.”
Pop quiz: What brought down the British Empire, fighting a foreign war of occupation with borrowed money, or Oscar Wilde?
December 7th, 2006 at 1:23 pmPLC,
the majority of Flaco’s posts are usually in regard to a certain appendage of the male anatomy, or are the end results of a certain appendage’s function.
Post 162 demonstrates that Flaco has nothing of importance to add politically, as he/she/it is pre-occupied with penal envy!
Sad, but true!
December 7th, 2006 at 1:31 pm#162 Flaco
How did they decide who gets impregnated, flip a coin?
The one who doesn’t own a tool belt is the one who gets impregnated. If they both own tool belts, it’s the one with the smaller set of socket wrenches.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:31 pmPLC,
I need to repost what you added, as you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head when it comes to my belief in Christianity…
Jesus said that ALL the laws and commandments are based on 1) loving God and 2) loving each other. How does hating and oppressing homosexuals fit into that?
Wonderful. Absolutely wonderful!
December 7th, 2006 at 1:34 pmEver notice how the holy rollers here can’t seem to take the time to capitalize God, Christ, Lord, Christian…etc.?
One would think a true Christian would want to take the time to respect the Lord.
One would think!
Comment by DRxJ
No and don’t think asshat.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:20 pmCAPITALS make a true christian.
Them two brains cell are working overtime? Heh
No and don’t think asshat.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:41 pmGreat comeback! Nice rebuttal! Well, at least you didn’t fixate on the male anatomy this time!
CAPITALS make a true christian.
State capitals make a true Christian? Then I propose to migrate, in the cold and snow, over to the Mecca of Michigan, Lansing!
Them two brains cell are working overtime?
Sorry, I don’t have two brains, and if I did, they probably wouldn’t be sharing the same cell.
Oh, did you mean to type brain cells? Man, it must suck to be you, one who is so critical of others, yet can’t even type 4 and 5 lettered words correctly.
But keep trying.
Your debate skills are priceless
Word Association Test for Progressives
P*nis goes with:
A) v*gina normal
December 7th, 2006 at 3:02 pmB) an*s homo
C) light socket weirdo
D) small animal sicko
E) all the above psycho
Oh, did you mean to type brain cells? Man, it must suck to be you, one who is so critical of others, yet can’t even type 4 and 5 lettered words correctly.
But keep trying.
Your debate skills are priceless
Comment by DRxJ
Well at least u can spell check. That’s good.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:08 pmMan, it must suck to be you, one who is so critical of others (back at u)
#50
You may have been a good replacement, however you could never be the “genuine articleâ€
Comment by red state loyalist
You are an utter moron.
Comment by Zooey
Red state speaks the truth.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:16 pmZooey has no balls.
Zooey has no balls.
Comment by Flaco
Duh.
Flaco is an utter moron, too.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:28 pmAll of this religious hypocrisy reminds me of a great joke I heard awhile back….At the very beginning of a church service two masked gunmen walked into a church and boldly announced that all of those who are willing to die for their belief in Jesus Christ should just sit right where they are and all of those who are not may leave. When the choir, deacons and all but a handful of the parishoners got up and left, the men took of their masks, looked at the priest and said….:There you go Father, we have removed all of the hypocrites, now you may begin your service.
December 7th, 2006 at 3:31 pmI find it very odd that any person would spend any time on what a neighbor is or is not doing in their private life….If a neighbor isn’t breaking a law, like wife beating, child abuse, animal cruelty, poluting the land or distruction of my property, health and well being, why in hell would I care…And I don’t…If they are quiet and good neighbors I don’t give a rat’s ass what they do and except for reponding to these poster’s that seem to be pre occupied with what others do in private I had not ever thought of all these thing’s in the past…Nor will I in the future….Any one so concerned about others private lives does not have a life of their own, may I suggest you change you’re obsession to soap’s.they may fill you’re need’s and better serve you…Better yet go back to you’re bible and thump in silence please…Blessings
December 7th, 2006 at 3:39 pmthis thread sure does say alot about the democratic partys “leanings”
don`t you think?I mean with all the other problems in the world right now,look how many postings and how much attention this particular “thorn” gets.
But then again,Satan assembles his true followers to the same place to try and defend the abomination that is……
HOMOSEXUALITY
period
God-7
Satan-0
A nice “finnegan`s ladder” to all you Satan worshippers.
I whistled too while sliding down the spiral staircase bannister.
December 7th, 2006 at 4:07 pmFlaco
Your post 162 is awfully voyeuristic. So, I’ve got some questions for you:
How many windows do you peep in on an average week? How do you choose which window to look in? Do you masturbate there or wait until you get home? Has your mom ever caught you and how did you explain it to her or did she join you? Are you really as sex-obsessed as you appear here on TP?
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian
Answer this one question first, how much time do U spend looking at internet/porno?
December 7th, 2006 at 4:13 pm172
or F) Flaco and his bottle of MD-20 obsession
December 7th, 2006 at 4:49 pmWow, and here I thought that RSLA couldn’t be any more hypocritical, and then she responds with “i have found the passage,however I will not provide it to you.”
Well, I’ve been able to find one verse that proves her assertion is not just wrong, but a flat out lie.
I won’t tell you what that verse is, because I want you to try and find it for yourself.
I stand by my post that proves the hubris of the right-whiners:
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”
- Jeremiah 14:13
Looks like I’m the only one that actually provides quotes to support my arguments. I guess the right-whiner double-standard is where they don’t have to prove any of their lies and they refuse to accept the truth from anyone else.
I will continue to pray for the right-whiners that they open their minds and hearts to God’s message, and not just their own prejudices.
December 7th, 2006 at 5:19 pm#184
Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.â€
- Jeremiah 14:13
Democrat Soldier dude,
December 7th, 2006 at 5:29 pmThe people in here crap on the bible, it means absolutely nothing to them.
U do not sound like a bible scholar anyway.
The Bible does not condemn homosexuality, if you actually bother to read and UNDERSTAND what it says.
Even if you quote Leviticus Law, as a Gentile convert to you get to ignore most of them (Acts 15).
Mistranslations abound (Kadash, Malakoi Arsenokoitai).
Jesus does not address homosexuality in any way (Don’t bother quoting Matthew 19. He was talking about Divorce).
Paul’s letters are taken out of context so badly, and history is not taken into account with them, it would take far too much space to go into here.
And finally, the story of Sodom…guess what? Nothing to do with homosexuality. It was a story of inhospitality and RAPE.
Christianity, by it’s base in Judaism, is a religion of the book. What does that mean? It means you educate yourself about your religion.
December 7th, 2006 at 5:32 pmThe Bible exalts and praises homosexuality, read it yourself.
December 7th, 2006 at 5:44 pmLove on another opps I mean love one another. God made homosexuals. It show his creativity and wonderful design. Yep Adam & Steve the 1st homosexual creation.
Malroth,
December 7th, 2006 at 5:46 pmU need to listen to Democrat Soldier dude talking about false teachers and prophets, delusions too.
#178 WC, although I don’t know you realy, from you’re post’s it seem’s to me you’re Mom is a good person and has done a fine job in raising you…That you are loved and have a good direction in life speak’s volumes to me…Having one less parent than some is unimportant..Blessings to you and all of the world…..I to was raised by one parent…
December 7th, 2006 at 5:49 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian
Answer this one question first, how much time do U spend looking at internet/porno?
Comment by Flaco — December 7
Come on answer the question. Do not be afraid or ashamed.
December 7th, 2006 at 7:23 pmU know U do hypocrite.
flaco “Answer this one question first, how much time do U spend looking at internet/porno?”
Hey Mrs. Flaco, your 12 year old got hold of the internet again…
December 7th, 2006 at 8:55 pmrsa #179
“this thread sure does say alot about the democratic partys “leanings†“
Fairness and tolerance? I guess so. Scorn for hypocrisy? Yep.
“I mean with all the other problems in the world right now,look how many postings and how much attention this particular “thorn†gets.”
Um, it seems you and flaco are the most prolific posters on this thread. Without your antagonism, there would be probably two thirds less posts.
BTW, most of the “other problems in the world right now” are indeed the cause of unfairness and intolerance practiced by hypocrites.
So I guess your observation is right for all the wrong reasons.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:00 pm#181 – You are a liar and a hypocrite as your answer has proven my point.
Democratic Soldier, Wonderful response. Thank you.
Zooey, We are one and the same, huh? Didn’t know you could be one person and live in Idaho and South Carolina at exactly the same time. What an idiot!
December 7th, 2006 at 9:02 pmhttp://www.365gay.com/newscon05/08/082205calPoli.htm
Zooey,seems you have been shall we say……………outted?
December 7th, 2006 at 10:22 pma link for you you poor dear.
Hey Mrs. Flaco, your 12 year old got hold of the internet again…
Comment by gorn
Mommy died last year in a tragic plane crash. sigh Wahahahahah!
December 7th, 2006 at 10:31 pm“Mommy died last year in a tragic plane crash. sigh Wahahahahah!”
Must be tough to be orphaned at 12.
December 7th, 2006 at 11:20 pmNo I,m ok. I graduated from elementary and got me a job at the 7-11 selling slurpies and recyclers with my coworker Hadji.
December 8th, 2006 at 12:10 pmGorn
December 8th, 2006 at 12:31 pmu live in a sh*thouse ur sh*t still stinks.
Get ur head out of ur ass.
Um, it seems you and flaco are the most prolific posters on this thread. Without your antagonism, there would be probably two thirds less posts.
Gorn ignore trolls very simple.
December 8th, 2006 at 12:37 pmU respond and encourage me.
[...] Alright, I have to admit that she wasn’t talking about the baby Jesus. She was actually talking about Mary Cheney. But the mentality is disturbingly similar to some of the attitudes behind Jewish law at the dawn of hour zero. [...]
December 8th, 2006 at 11:26 pmI despise Dick Cheney for so many reasons. To save time and aggravation I just call him an evil fascist. The one thing I appreciate is his support for his gay daughter, despite the party’s official policy to rally the sheep by scapegoating gays.
If the fundamentalists and their brand of god were more important to the VP, he might have disowned Mary for living with another woman the past 15 years. He has said she should have the same freedoms as every other (non-incarcerated) citizen, but that’s not saying much of a man who has made incarceration so easy. Many fundamentalists have tossed out their own children in the name of family values, children they raised who turned out gay, as though it’s the kids’ fault. But the flocks are really only important on voting day, as they comprise a sizable group of people who are predisposed to do what they’re told.
Cheney’s biggest crime of course is manufacturing this war and guaranteeing his profits by sending misinformed uniforms to kill and be killed. Soldiers are just another sizeable group of people who do what they are told, but the individuals and their personal values (honor, duty, job training) don’t matter either.
I think the Cheney family values money above all, and when you’ve got so much that you can’t possibly spend it all by yourself, legacy matters. Mary’s partner Heather, a former park ranger, could have had the baby but not the legacy. If they ever break up, Poe is D and O — with or without a baby who calls our VP “Grandpa”. So Dick Cheney’s gay daughter’s child will be fine, whether or not the laws catch up soon and give Mary the same right to marry that her nongay sister enjoys. To the Second Family’s credit, they are thrilled and will welcome their sixth grandchild. Mary’s sister had the first five; hopefully she’ll stop now.
I’ve been disgusted with Mary Cheney for selling gays out in exchange for a few multi-millions of our tax dollars, which her father’s companies have siphoned and which she’ll inherit. Karl Rove supposedly loved the gay man who raised him, frequently visiting his stepfather and taking care of the old man until he died, but he sold gays out for much less money.
But Mary Cheney has been openly gay and committed to her partner for many years, even while she helped her father strategize his rise to power. It must take fortitude to walk into a roomful of people who hate you. If she’s got a heart, she must have to shield it from damnation by the faithful in her party.
I imagine it required great courage for her to decide to get pregnant, especially thick in the middle of an environment where sanctimonious nimrods abound, knowing full well the most religious would pass the harshest judgments on her and her partner. Those of you reading who’ve carried a child, imagine being smeared in public by practically everyone when you’re already going through the stress of gestation…
The Christianistas want Mary to burn because she’s gay, her partner is gay, and now, o God, Mary is pregnant and there isn’t a man to take credit. Does a sterilized turkey baster make it an immaculate conception? Does that mean the Rapture is near? Not only that, but the sperm donor who spilled his seed is guilty of something that made God strike Onan dead with his dick out. The only thing that would make this OK to this crowd is if Mary’s sister’s husband felt called to practice his love on kinwomen who are of child-bearing age but lack the necessary male. Mary and Heather cannot get married, so this wouldn’t be adultery as long as the guy doesn’t lust for Mary. As long as he doesn’t spill his seed, no sin. But whether the donor was the brother-in-law (Mary’s partner would be the sister-outlaw), or he’s kept away by adoption laws or a strict prepregnancy agreement, the seed spiller will be missing from this poor child’s life. Also dinners at Grandpa’s house and a chance to inherit all those spoils of war.
And then there are lesbians who call Mary “Uncle Tomboy” (guilty). Some gay men, especially the closeted Republican sympathizers, are so seriously offended by Mary’s hairdo that this is the real reason they won’t sign up with Log Cabin. That unfortunate girl got her daddy’s looks and her mother’s pearls, and the neoconnie suits do not help the situation.
So Mary is getting it from all sides. And while the Cheney family doesn’t need my sympathy or deserve my support, it’s only fair to give credit to Mary Cheney for boldly going where absolutely no one has gone before. I didn’t like Foley’s or Haggard’s politics either, but they built their own closets which became their coffins. Mary will wear maternity clothes and lean on Heather’s arm, Dick will hold the baby, W will congratulate him, Mrs. Dick and Mrs. W will buy nice things for the baby… all of this normalizes gay couples with children, and Mary Cheney is making it happen.
I too wish they had chosen to adopt, because that would have addressed the overpopulation issue and one tiny part of the problem of unwanted children (all of whom are the result of sex among heterosexuals, by the way). Mary Cheney is still a rightwing nut (or is that a right wingnut?).
It takes all kinds.
December 9th, 2006 at 6:32 pm