Gore To Bush On Iraq: It’s Not About You
This morning on NBC, former Vice President Al Gore called Iraq the “worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States.”
He urged President Bush “to try to separate out the personal issues of being blamed in history for this mistake and instead recognize it’s not about him. It’s about our country and we all have to find a way to get our troops home and to prevent a regional conflagration there.” Watch it:
Full transcript:
GORE: The fact is, this is a very bad situation. Our country has to find a way to get our troops out as quickly as possible without making the situation even worse in the manner of our leaving.
LAUER: It’s described by some as cut and stay as opposed to cut and run. Does it [the Baker-Hamilton report] do enough to acknowledge the results of the mid-term elections and the message voters sending this administration — if these are listened to, these recommendations?
GORE: Well, the report this morning is actually one of several studies. There is one in the Pentagon. There has been reportedly been one in the White House itself. They are all basically saying the same thing, Matt. This is an utter disaster. This worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States. We as a nation have to find a way, in George Mitchell’s words, to manage a disaster. But I would urge the president not to — to try to separate out the personal issues of being blamed in history for this mistake and instead recognize it’s not about him. It’s about our country and we all have to find a way to get our troops home and to prevent a regional conflagration there.
Imagine, Bush getting over himself and considering the well-being of others. Ok fantasy time is over.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:54 amyea, truth… it could be a pipe dream… but it’s the way it’s got to be…
somehow…
right on, al…
December 6th, 2006 at 9:56 amIraq will have a thriving and peaceful democracy before GDumbya gets over himself and thinks about the needs of others . . . and we all know how likely success in Iraq is.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:56 am“worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States.â€
I agree totally , This will be scaring America for at least 50 years from children 10 upwards for their entire lifes they will NOT FORGET thsi and the worst is yet to come
5 years from now the bad secrets of Bush will be leaked slowly to the Public
December 6th, 2006 at 9:59 amDammit! Al Gore is WRONG AGAIN!
It IS about Preznit Bush Jr.! EVERYTHING’s about him! He’s the PREZNIT!!! Of AMERICA!!!
If he does what everybody but Laura and Barney are TELLIN’ him to do (and I have my doubts about Barney’s loyalty), then there won’t be peace and love and Christian Brotherhood in Iraq and he won’t get his mush carved into Mt. Rushmore.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:00 amI really hope al gore runs for president. he has been right about most evrything in the last six years. we need a president that will focus on the receding water supply(which will cause wars everywhere, not just in Iraq) and make sure our planet does not become uninhabitable. He will focus on alternative fuels and this will prevent oil wars like the iraq war. We just need someone who has vision further out than a few years.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:00 amthere’s the fellow that can help fix our planet. if he isn’t the nominee, we are likely doomed to the climate crisis that will kill 25% of us. only darn problem, most of the people in this country are no smarter than to vote for the criminal a second time. let’s be kind about the first time
December 6th, 2006 at 10:00 amI think the Vice-President is right, Another way out could be to involve UN peace keeping force in the endeavour so that US forces at Iraq are minimised. This way international rhetoric against US would stop and it will also assuage the Iraqi Insurgents.
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December 6th, 2006 at 10:03 amI may be unduly pessemistic, but I honestly do’nt think that there is a solution to this mess! I think during this war there were windows of opportunity, which were all ignored by this administration, where had we acted differently there could have been some stability. I mean :
Preventing the looting
Not getting rid of the Iraqi army
Engaging with (yes!) the Baathists
What can the US possibly do to regain control? For the sake of the region I hope this study grroup has some solution, otherwise I think the people of Iraq are so screwed, and we are responsible.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:05 amI think the vice president is right, I think US should involve a UN peace keeping force to sort out the issues.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:06 amGORE / FEINGOLD 2008
GORE / CLARK 2008
GORE / OBAMA 2008
TAKE YOUR PICK
December 6th, 2006 at 10:06 am#4, Tobey Tall: This will be scaring America for at least 50 years
50 years?????
Prior to the deposing of Saddam Hussein, Iraqis use to sit in cafes and drink tea, smoke, and treat Ghengis Khan with contempt and scorn.
Ghengis Khan invaded and thereby defiled ancient Babylon about 800 years ago.
So, if Iraqis still hate Ghengis Khan after 800 years ago do you really think 50 years is about right?
Americans are fuct throughout the world, especially the ME.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:12 amWell said, Mr. Gore.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:14 amIt’s refreshing to hear someone of intelligence speaking rationally about an irrational situation.
Get over yourself, Mr. President, and do us all a huge favor.
Your Narcissism is showing. In fact, in the spirit of the season, I believe your favorite hymn would be ‘Hark the herald Angels sing about me’.
Rajeev, I, too, wish we could get other countries, through the UN, to bail us out of this mess the Decider got us into. Wishes aren’t ponies, though. I don’t think it’s possible. Even the “Coalition of the Willing” is about kaput.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:14 amBush won’t be able to overcome his narcissistic tendencies.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:18 amBut I would urge the president not to — to try to separate out the personal issues of being blamed in history for this mistake and instead recognize it’s not about him.
This is how I like to start my morning. Someone — anyone — most especially Al Gore — telling George W. Bush this isn’t about him.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:22 amThank you Rajeev!
December 6th, 2006 at 10:24 amI agree with your expression of having the UN being a focal entity for resolving the Iraq, and other planetary issues.
The United States must first regain the ground lost during the current executive mis-administration. A good start has been accomplished by the termination of John Bolton as US ambassador.
The removal from office of the present corporate sponsored mis-leaders of the United States will have to follow.
To pick up the thread of Al Gore advising the pResident to get past feeling like it is his fault…… I have to agree that it is not the errors of GWB’s policies or ideas. He has none, and never has. GWB has followed the orders of his corporate/,military masters, as translated to him by Dick ‘Wormtongue’ Chainee.
I finally saw ‘an inconvenient truth’ last night, and I was a little disappointed, in the same way that I was a little disapointed in farenheit 911 ~ without any content that I was already aware of I was forced to focus on the message.
I understand why it was done that way, to give people time to digest the facts and images, but it was a different experience for the informed audience I think.
One thing it did do is got me to pay attention to what it might be like to be Al Gore. And the more I thought about it, the more glad I am that he didn’t give up on the public forum completely, when it gave up on him completely.
I think I value his input now, within the context it’s delivered now. And I hope he doesn’t run for office again. He’s more valuable to us exactly where he is.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:35 amedit above: without any new content, I was forced to focus on the messenger
December 6th, 2006 at 10:35 amBelieve is or not. When problems come up Bush relies on his charisma to handle the situation. Be a wonk? Study up on the world? All that is irrelevant for Bush. For Bush deems Bush has charisma. Ha ha ha.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:38 amDraft Al Gore for President in 2008
December 6th, 2006 at 10:40 amI think I value his input now, within the context it’s delivered now. And I hope he doesn’t run for office again. He’s more valuable to us exactly where he is.
I am with you 100%. I wish the blogosphere would let go of the Gore lovefest whenever talk of the 2008 nominee comes up.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:48 amAnd I hope he doesn’t run for office again. He’s more valuable to us exactly where he is.
Comment by Drew Mackenzie
Exactly, Drew. If anyone deserves a “do over,” it’s Al Gore. But he’s finally found his voice! He wouldn’t be the same passionate speaker if he was running for office and trying to appeal to the masses.
Keep doing what you’re doing Al. We need you.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:51 ambut ann - when considering our alternatives (Hillary Clinton?! NO!!!!!!!) is it no wonder? even Feingold thought turning Lebanon into rubble was a good idea!
December 6th, 2006 at 10:52 amGore is, of course, absolutely right.
Iraq should not be about saving face for Bush. It should be a pragmatic look at probable outcomes. History will sort out where Iraq falls when it comes to America’s strategic failures. Reconstruction following our own Civil War was, after all, a strategic failure that haunts America to this day, witness the current Supreme Court battle on school admissions policy. That failure came on the heels of the earlier strategic failure that permitted slavery. America learns its lessons slowly so this Iraq failure will be around for a long time to come.
In this regard, my feeling is that the Iraq Study Group will also miss the point but couch it in terms of saving face for America via the graceful exit. That is a pipe dream on a huge scale. The choice boils down to ugly now or ugly later with the primary difference being how many Americans die in Iraq.
So listen to Gore and focus on outcomes rather than pipe dreams about graceful exits.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:53 amAwe jeez, what does it take to get Bush impeached? If “the worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States†is not enough, we are in deep trouble. Where’s Monica when we need her?
December 6th, 2006 at 10:58 amBush will get over himself the day the moon shines at noon.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:03 amThe U.S. should stay in Iraq. The longer it stays there the more it becomes a quagmire and the stronger China, Russia, India, Europe and South America etc can become in a multipolar world.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:06 amlistening to lawrence o’donnel on franken monday, giving his opinion on who will be running in ‘08…
R = mccave ~:O
D = obama :) …or clinton :(
he said gore would not run… and edwards would not get the nod… :(
myself, i think gore could do more for the environment and so the world if he were not president… that way he can concentrate of these extremely important matters…
December 6th, 2006 at 11:08 amGuess what? ALL of our fearless leaders are STILL getting in wrong. They’re proposing solutions that have already been tried and have already FAILED. When are they going to quit sucking their thumbs and staring at their navels and LISTEN TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? Jeez, Louise. GET A CLUE!
December 6th, 2006 at 11:09 amAnd I hope he doesn’t run for office again. He’s more valuable to us exactly where he is.
Comment by Drew Mackenzie — December 6, 2006 @ 10:35 am
i’ve come to think the same…
December 6th, 2006 at 11:13 amAnd I hope he doesn’t run for office again. He’s more valuable to us exactly where he is.
Comment by Drew Mackenzie
He wouldn’t be the same passionate speaker if he was running for office and trying to appeal to the masses.
Comment by Zooey
If he really wanted to push these issues to the forefront he should run in the presidential primary. Continue the passionate talk about the important issues. Slam it into the faces of the other people who run and male them address the issues. That alone would be worth him doing so even if he believes he would never get the nod. They do it on the Conservative side with Pat Roberts and the ilk. And if by chance it resonates with the people and they rally behind Gore in numbers that show he could win even the better. At least it would show America is waking up.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:26 ambut ann - when considering our alternatives (Hillary Clinton?! NO!!!!!!!) is it no wonder?
Gore isn’t running. Get over the lovefest…let go the fantasy of righting the injustice of 2000. Besides, I’m still pissed at him about NAFTA and Lieberman.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:52 amdlet,
You are definitely onto something there. Wouldn’t the right have a shit fit if we started pulling their crap on them? :)
December 6th, 2006 at 11:59 amIraq was not a strategic blunder.
With the need to fight the war on terror, allowing a rouge state like Iraq to destablize the region was untenable. When it appeared that the US had the will to fight and win, Libya cried uncle and gave up its nuclear ambitions, Lebanon threw Syria out, and the UN nearly dealt with Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
Unfortunatley, because progressives put themselves before their country, they chose to undermine public support for these actions to push your narrow agenda. What the hell, it only cost 12 million Iraqi’s their liberty, not to mention the liberty of the Lebanese, who will loose their southern region to Hezbollah, and the remaining portion of the country will again be controlled by Syria. But as long as you temper tantrum throwing babies get your way, who cares, right?
Gore is a clown who happily mouths whatever an audience wants to hear. He is an expert on embarrassment, not calling for Clinton to resign, as well as wearing that toga while taking money from the dali lama.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:06 pm“Gore isn’t running. Get over the lovefest…let go the fantasy of righting the injustice of 2000. Besides, I’m still pissed at him about NAFTA and Lieberman.”
Personally I agree with others here that Gore can do more good in the role of planet advocate (especially considering that the current “leadership” seems to think that just ignoring all of the environmental challenges we now face is the way to go).
My point is that it’s not surprising that people are trying to draft him considering the alternatives.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:06 pmAl is something……
December 6th, 2006 at 12:08 pmJason,
December 6th, 2006 at 12:17 pmIraq was not a strategic blunder.
You are a biological blunder, just like the boy king you worship.
Both of your Fathers could have saved us all a lot of suffering if they had just pulled out in time.
#35, Jason
Iraq a rogue state? please, start using your brain rather than recycling neocon talking points. Iraq was under control and was no threat to destablizing the region. I don’t know how you can blame the chaos on progressives since they haven’t been in power this entire time. The whole thing has gone to hell in a hand basket because this administration went in with the wrong plan when they should not have gone in the first place. Iraq had nothing to do with terrorists at the time.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:17 pmFor Libya it could be argued that they had lost any relevance they ever had in world politics and gave in for attention … What is going on in Lebanon is not due to progressives but because of the sustained attacks on Lebanon by Israel and this administration allowing said attacks to go unchecked.
And why should Clinton have resigned? Everything revolving around him was a personal issue. If any president should resign, its Bush. But like other mindless conservatives, you are too busy getting on your knees for Bush to even question his policies.
Any good things in this world have come because of progressive policies. Conservative policies like those of this administration are useless and only sow discord, chaos and war.
He is an expert on embarrassment, not calling for Clinton to resign, as well as wearing that toga while taking money from the dali lama.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Yeah, because we all know it’s SO much worse for Gore to greet the Dalai Lama in customary attire, than for GWB to take it full in the face from the neo-con movement.
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December 6th, 2006 at 12:30 pmIraq was not a strategic blunder. — Jason Moron Hendler
Did your dad use your head as a shovel when you were a kid?
Every bit of your post is total nonsense. i’m impressed that you could put so much stupidity in just one post.
Thanks for showing once again the idiocy of the 30 percenter right wing supporters such as yourself, for all the world to see.
December 6th, 2006 at 12:32 pmIraq was not a strategic blunder.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
So then you would blame the mess that has happened on the troops and call it a tactical error?
Why do you hate the troops Hendler?
As I often said to the ladies back in the day…”Don’t hate the players…hate the game” {bom chika wah wah}
December 6th, 2006 at 12:50 pm“With the need to fight the war on terror, allowing a rouge state like Iraq to destablize the region was untenable.”
Craziness by Jason M. Hendler
“rouge state”?
December 6th, 2006 at 12:57 pmThis makes as much sense as the rest of your post so I’ll let it stand.
Jason - are you nuts or just stupid?
December 6th, 2006 at 12:57 pmThank you, Jason #35, for presenting the Israeli viewpoint
December 6th, 2006 at 12:58 pm“Bush will get over himself the day the moon shines at noon.”
Hey New Yorker, at 8:30 this morning, driving the kids to school, the full moon was out and high above the horizon. You never know …
Seriously, I wonder why the countries bordering Iraq and others in the UN don’t take over the reconstruction effort, with contracts as carrots, and also the security issue. It would be a way for the US to bow out and ensure countries with a stake in a peaceful Iraq have a shot. It’s a pipe dream, for sure, and there would be corruption, but it can’t be 100% impossible.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:00 pmIf Iraq was not a strategic blunder then it follows that Cheney/Bush and whoever else planned the invasion of Iraq WANTED chaos in the region.
What does that tell you about them?
December 6th, 2006 at 1:04 pmRe-elect Gore for President in ‘08!
He’s more qualified than just about anyone for the job. Certainly, Gore would do much better than the Emperor Prissy Pants who occupies the MonkeyPalace these days.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:07 pm#35 hhe region is far more unstable today than it was way back in the day when Sadaam and Al Queda were enemies.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:08 pmOh and the comment about undermining public support? Is that the best you can do? The country of Iraq is a mess whether the public supports our venture there or not. Bad things are heppening whether they are reported or not. I notice that the first story I heard on Fox was abotu another car bombing over there. If your republican party media outlets do not report the supposed good news, how iis anyone else going to report it? Also if it is only the public confidence that is waning, then why have an ISG in the first place? Face it your boy and your party are copmplete failures in the governing business.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:11 pm#35, Jason M. Hendler: Iraq was not a strategic blunder.
FACT: On 9/11/2001, nearly 3000 people died extremely horrible deaths (e.g. throats slit) and tens of billions of dollars in damage were incurred.
FACT: In direct reponse to these attacks, Pres Bush invaded and deposed Saddam Hussein.
FACT: With Saddam Hussein deposed, Pres Bush inadvertently caused the fathering of a burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic which is pro-(extremist) Iranian, pro-Hezbollah, pro-Syrian, anti-Israeli, anti-American, etc.
FACT: The cost of this burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic is about $400 billion.
Question: 9/11 + Iraq = Bush’s Fundamentalist Islamic Republic, WTF?
[Keywords: 9/11, WTC, Saddam Hussein, WMDs, Al Dawa, Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, Al-Hakim, Al-Maliki, Islamic fundamentalism, President George W. Bush, Bush’s legacy, Jason M. Hendler]
December 6th, 2006 at 1:12 pmI didn’t see Al Gore in a toga, but didn’t you think Bush was ever so chic in that blue dress, Jason? Putin too.
Anyone see Anderson Cooper last night? It was discouraging. The basic message was “The American people need to quit undermining our strategy. We aren’t going to do what they told us and get out of Iraq, and all this complaining is dangerous.”
In other words, they STILL don’t get it.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:16 pmJason, who did so much harm to you?
December 6th, 2006 at 1:17 pmPres Bush inadvertently caused the fathering…
Comment by goodscarrier
Could you stop using the word “inadvertently,” goodscarrier?
Using that word gives GWB the benefit of the doubt, and implies that he gave a sh*t what happened in the region, when actually he didn’t care one way or another. That’s so much worse than a mistake in judgment.
Just sayin’
December 6th, 2006 at 1:18 pmGore To Bush On Iraq: It’s Not About You…
This morning on NBC, former Vice President Al Gore called Iraq the “worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States.†He told Bush to take his ego out of the quagmire….
December 6th, 2006 at 1:18 pmThis guy is beginning to quack like a candidate…Gore/Obama with Bill Clinton the Sec of State..Leave Hillary in the Senate, where she belongs. Yeah, I like that package.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:23 pmGug
#55, Zooey: Could you stop using the word “inadvertently,†goodscarrier?
Hmmmmmm……
The stool (phew!) Chalabi was suppose to be given the reins of power after Americans were to be welcomed as liberators etc.
The Bush admin never anticipated that the majority of Iraqis had a twenty plus year hunger for a Shiite fundamentalist government (Al Sadr, Al Dawa [Al-Maliki], and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq [Al-Hakim]).
The Iraqi govt in place is not the one for which the old school Neocons have been speaking, writing, acting, etc for the last couple of decades.
Israel is now more in jeopardy.
The fathering of the buregeoning fundamentalist Islamic state in Iraq was inadvertent.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:28 pmGeorge W. Bush has done such a superb job in the Iraq War that I believe he deserves a monument on the Mall in Washington DC.
… right next to the one LBJ and Nixon got.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:34 pmIt is hard to hear Al Gore say the words “it’s not about him” even though he is correct. If Al Gore, as president of the Senate in November, 2000, had told himself that “it’s not about him” when congressmen and -women objected to the Florida vote, her would have been our rightfully elected 43rd president. I hope that he has quietly learned the lesson that he is now so rightly giving Bush.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:36 pmgoodscarrier,
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
Not doing their homework is no excuse.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:38 pmBush/Cheney/Rummy/Condi = The worst things to ever happen to the United States.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:43 pmnothing “inadvertant” about it…
December 6th, 2006 at 1:52 pmit was PLANNED CHAOS so they could steal and plunder.
and it worked.
.
The fathering of the buregeoning fundamentalist Islamic state in Iraq was inadvertent.
Comment by goodscarrier
Im going to invade some country because I need more cheap oil and isolate the countries I fear the most: Russia and China. mmm…what about Iraq? Saddam is an old friend, he will understand, they have no army, no WMD´s, are under an embargo…ok. Iraq will do. I guess I will do some mess there but I think it will be just fine.
4 years later…Hey, I didnt predict this.
Yeah, goodscarrier, it was inadvertently, right.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:53 pmGood post, Zoo.
Jason M. Hendler, You are an idiot. The right wing fascists that got us into this mess were wrong about everything. Not once have they been correct about anything. Anyone with any experience at all in middle eastern affairs advised king chimp not to invade Iraq, (a country who possed no threat to anyone, not even their nieghbors, let alone the USA) I know it sucks for you knuckle dragging gas bags to hear someone say “I told you so” but guess what. WE TOLD YOU SO, you and all the other idiots who cheared and applauded the destruction of a soverign nation without just cause will get yours, sadly not soon enough. Worse yet it is the reasonable people and their children who will have to pay for the price for the illegal war of aggression that you and your criminal R party insisted on. Lied us to war and all you got was beaten down and put in your place. You and people like you are politicaly and mentaly bankrupt.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:59 pmAl Gore is an idiot, and is only making noise because he wants his name out there so he can run for president again. As rotten as bush is, gore would be the ultimate disaster.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:02 pmNo, it’s not about YOU AL GORE, get over yourself, you lost, now go away.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:09 pmAs rotten as bush is, gore would be the ultimate disaster.
—- Douglas G.
oh, yeah, right.
Heaven forbid that we elect someone intellegent, that can speak coherently in the whitehouse and someone that hasn’t lied to the American people.
Yeah that would be much worst than Bush, NOT.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:15 pmGORE / FEINGOLD 2008
GORE / CLARK 2008
GORE / OBAMA 2008
TAKE YOUR PICK
Comment by s — December 6, 2006 @ 10:06 am
How about Feingold/Gore!? That way Al can concentrate on the environmental stuff and Russ can do what he does best: Lead with BALLS!
December 6th, 2006 at 2:17 pmNo, it’s not about YOU AL GORE, get over yourself, you lost, now go away.
Comment by charles5
Actually Gore DID win. Every paper that covered the vote fraud AFTER the supreme court elected W has said so. Gore won the popular vote and FLA therefore the White House. As usual a right wing nut ignoring facts still thinks W was elected in 2000.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:19 pm#26 You question, what does it take for President Bush to be impeached? That’s an easy answer. He must be CHARGED for a violation of law. If he has not violated the law, he cannot be impeached. Don’t bore me with all the claims of all the things that you THINK has has done. He was given the go ahead from congress, based on the same information he had, to make the decisions he made. Even KERRY was for doing what we did in the beginning, because he had the same information everyone else did, and he vocally agreed that it needed to be done.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:20 pmHow about Feingold/Gore!?
December 6th, 2006 at 2:21 pmThat way, Al can concentrate on the environmental stuff and Russ can do what he does best: Lead to the left with BALLS!
With the need to fight the war on terror, allowing a rouge state like Iraq to destablize the region was untenable.
hahahahahahaha. Iraq unstable before we invaded and screwed everything up? That’s priceless.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:26 pmHow about Feingold/Gore!?
They aren’t running. Let it go.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:26 pmWorst. Strategery. Ever.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:28 pm[…] This morning on the Today show, former Vice President Al Gore discussed the Iraq Study Group’s report. In one segment, he declared the Iraq conflict, “This worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States.” and told Bush “to try to separate out the personal issues of being blamed in history for this mistake and instead recognize it’s not about him.” […]
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December 6th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#63, katy: nothing “inadvertant†about it…
it was PLANNED CHAOS so they could steal and plunder.
and it worked
#64, juanc Yeah, goodscarrier, it was inadvertently, right.
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For now, I must disagree.
Please, produce some evidence, better yet, since it was planned, please produce the plan.
And please, refute the contents of the article below.
The old school Neocons have been loudly writing and talking about and visibly acting toward the ME for a couple of decades. What we see is the exact opposite effect.
Please note: You are giving these rats a lot of credit. If it was in fact planned, these dummies are evil geniuses. Why? They have started an internecine war between the Shiites and the Sunnis which is going to go on for a long long time, thereby diverting attention away from the USA.
BTW: A lot of solidly objective people have written about the oppositeness of what has been going on.
E.g.
Aug 11, 2005
The Iranian nightmare
By Michael Schwartz
In 1998, neo-conservative theorist Robert Kagan enunciated what would become a foundational belief of Bush administration policy. He asserted, “A successful intervention in Iraq would revolutionize the strategic situation in the Middle East, in ways both tangible and intangible, and all to the benefit of American interests.”
Now, over two years after Baghdad fell and the American occupation of Iraq began, Kagan’s prediction appears to have been fulfilled - in reverse. The chief beneficiary of the occupation and the chaos it produced has not been the Bush administration, but Iran, the most populous and powerful member of the “axis of evil” and the chief American competitor for dominance in the oil-rich region. As diplomatic historian Gabriel Kolko commented, “By destroying a united Iraq under [Saddam] Hussein … the US removed the main barrier to Iran’s eventual triumph.”
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December 6th, 2006 at 2:40 pmthese posts illustrate everything wrong in our country. We are not divided over ideas but over my team beating your team. When the Dems are right the Reps won’t admitt it and when the Reps are right the Dems won’t admit it. it all makes me sick. Start attacking ideas not some one’s charactor and start working toward the good of the country reguardless of who gets credit for it.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:41 pm#68 Lead with Balls? what they gonna do, carry Hillary in front of em?
December 6th, 2006 at 2:45 pmZooey, katy, Juan C
What we see in the ME is a failed attempt at imperialization.
Nothing is working out.
I have an open mind…….
The New Middle East
Richard N. Haass
From Foreign Affairs, November/December 2006
Summary: The age of U.S. dominance in the Middle East has ended and a new era in the modern history of the region has begun. It will be shaped by new actors and new forces competing for influence, and to master it, Washington will have to rely more on diplomacy than on military might.
SPIEGEL INTERVIEW WITH RICHARD HAASS
“Iraq Is Not Winnable”
[snip]
Haass: The old Middle East — an era which I believe has only recently ended — was one in which the United States enjoyed tremendous dominance and freedom of maneuver. Oil was available at fairly low prices, the region was largely at peace. I believe largely because of the American decision to go to war in Iraq and how it has been carried out, as well as the emphasis on promoting democracy and a lack of any serious energy policy, the Middle East has considerably grown worse. It’s one of history’s ironies that the first war in Iraq, a war of necessity, marked the beginning of the American era in the Middle East and the second Iraq war, a war of choice, has precipitated its end.
[snip]
Haass: Visions of a new Middle East that is peaceful, prosperous and democratic will not be realized. Much more likely is the emergence of a new Middle East that will cause great harm to itself and the world. Iran will be a powerful state in the region, a classical imperial power. No viable peace process between Israel and the Palestinians is likely for the foreseeable future. Militias will emerge throughout the region, terrorism will grow in sophistication, tensions between Sunni and Shia will increase, causing problems in countries with divided societies, such as Bahrain, Lebanon and Saudi Arabia. Islam will fill the political and intellectual vacuum. Iraq at best will remain messy for years to come, with a weak central government, a divided society and sectarian violence. At worst, it will become a failed state racked by all-out civil war that will draw in its neighbors.
December 6th, 2006 at 2:46 pmZooey, katy, Juan C
What we see in the ME is a failed attempt at imperialization.
Nothing is working out.
I have an open mind…….
Yes, I agree with that, goodscarrier, but it was not inadvertent! Saying OOPS! almost 4 years later doesn’t cut it.
I’m a charter member of the Open Mind Club.
December 6th, 2006 at 3:02 pmI opened my mind and all I got was this lousy t-shirt
December 6th, 2006 at 3:24 pmAL GORE—WE,THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA, AND THE WORLD—WE NEED YOU TO BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE!! AND BRING JOHN EDWARDS WITH YOU!!! YOU GOT ROBBED, AL—BUT THIS ISN’T ABOUT YOU AND YOUR PLACE IN HISTORY—IT’S ABOUT MOVING ON TO BE THE COUNTRY WE ARE—REAL AMERICA!
December 6th, 2006 at 3:29 pmBUSH IS STUPID. BUSH IS SO DAMN DUMB HE DOESN’T KNOW HE IS STUPID!!!!!!
December 6th, 2006 at 3:35 pmDouglas G 1) good thing you at least have admitted that bush is Rotten, It’s a start at least. 2) In regards to your comments on impeachment not only must he be charged, he must be investigated. You see it is essential in our system of government that each branch holds the others in check. So once the investigations start next month, we will see how long it take before chargeable offenses come to light.
Oh, and neither Kerry nor congress had all the information that everyone else had. It has already been well established that congress did not have all the information that the White House had. (for instance the phony Niger uranium documents, or the phony Aluminum tube assessment etc…) If you wish to imply that the White House had all the information that Congress had, you would be correct, however the converse of that statement is patently false.
Do you not find it the least bit odd that White House Policy towards Iraq followed the well documented policy of an elitist think tank? I should actually say a policy well established long before Bush took office. And don’t you find it the least bit odd that the Bush administration followed this well established think tank policy and was well populated (polluted?) with members of this elitist think tank? Hmm, seems to me that once you find and look at the dots, they are not hard to connect.
Goodscarrier – I don’t believe for one minute that they planned for Iraq to become a mess. I think that they felt conquer and all would be well. They did little in the way of learning about who they were conquering. They knew nothing, or did nto care about the history of the region and they had absolutely no clue as to the Shiite/Sunni differences, even though these were well discussed throughout the early 1980’s during the Iran/Iraq war.
December 6th, 2006 at 3:44 pmGore/Wesley Clark
December 6th, 2006 at 3:57 pmRun as Independents!
#63, katy: nothing “inadvertant†about it…
it was PLANNED CHAOS so they could steal and plunder.
and it worked
It did not work…….
The US’s geopolitical nightmare
By F William Engdahl
Bush and Cheney and their band of neo-conservative war hawks, with their special relationship to the capacities of Israel in Iraq and across the Mideast, were given a chance.
The chance was to deliver on the US strategic goal of control of petroleum resources globally, to ensure the US role as first among equals over the next decade and beyond.
Not only have they failed to “deliver” that goal of US strategic dominance, they have also threatened the very basis of continued US hegemony, or as the Rumsfeld Pentagon likes to term it, “Full Spectrum Dominance”.
[snip]
In the space of 12 months, Russia and China have managed to move the pieces on the geopolitical chess board of Eurasia away from what had been an overwhelming US strategic advantage, to the opposite, where the US is increasingly isolated. It’s potentially the greatest strategic defeat for the US power projection of the post-World War II period. This is also the strategic background to the re-emergence of the so-called realist faction in US policy.
December 6th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#89 Did Russia and china move Europe away from the US? Or did our current policy of take it or leave it drive Europe away from us?
December 6th, 2006 at 4:06 pmthe only difference between bush and hitler is the moustache.
December 6th, 2006 at 4:09 pm#87, Mark: I don’t believe for one minute that they planned for Iraq to become a mess.
That is quite an odd way of thinking no?
It makes zero sense.
I prefer to characterize Messr Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al as foolish, ignorant, and failed imperialists as opposed to calculated geniuses who have ignited an internecine war between the Sunnis and the Shiites which will harm the US interests for perhaps the next few centuries.
If the Shiites and the Sunnis make the entire ME a war zone, the US is a world of shit economically, politically, militarily etc.
God knows Hugo Chavez sure as hell aint gonna help.
December 6th, 2006 at 4:10 pmResponding to Jason M. Hendler & Douglas G. is a waste of time and just makes it more difficult to scroll through to the interesting comments.
December 6th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#90, mark: Did Russia and china move Europe away from the US? Or did our current policy of take it or leave it drive Europe away from us?
You already know the answer to that.
I am trying to locate the oil market material in which Iraq, Iran, Russia, and China are forging alliances and pissing on the USA.
The USA is isolated in so many ways.
The world has the US by the balls.
This chaos is not planned.
December 6th, 2006 at 4:14 pmcheck out the cartoon “lil’ bush” on youtube.com - extremely gratifying.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:22 pmIf Al Gore doesn’t run again, it’s because he understands that the corporate media is against him and tries to portray him in the worst possible light. He is one of the few political figures who has been correct about almost everything (he was only in favor of NAFTA if it included environmental safeguards.)
As far as constitutional crimes are concerned our Bush cultists keep saying congress gave him authorization. The terms included the stipulation that Bush would return to congress every 60 days with updates on evidence that Iraq posed a danger to our national security. The Bush administration didn’t live up to the terms of the agreement. Bush cultists hope we have short memories.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:35 pmThank you, President Gore. If you were in office instead of this fool, all would be well.
Isn’t it time we stole the P back from resident Bush?
http://www.missingPproject.com
December 6th, 2006 at 5:35 pmThe world would be a much different place if Repubs hadn’t stolen the 2000 election. Remember, a President Gore would have actually pushed the recommendations of his own “Gore Commission” on airpline safety. Among the suggestions were armed air marshals on all commercial flights, reinforced cockpit doors and much more strict check-in proceedures. With a President Gore, we may have not even had a 9-11 attack. And, of course, a president Gore would never have invaded Iraq. Kinda brings to mind the 95,000 Green party voters in Flordia who were convinced that there were no differences between Gore and Bush. Thanks again, Green Party! Heckofa job!
December 6th, 2006 at 5:42 pmOnce again, Gore is willing to speak truth to power.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:48 pmThe media and Democrats have gone out of their way to define Iraq as a failure. Fact is we won in the battle with Iraq. Now we are fighting a war on terror.
“Mission Accomplished”
What we have here right now is a humanitarian effort for the benefit of the Iraqi people. The fact is being hidden that the other oil producing countries are strategically opposed to Iraqi competition on the oil market as a democracy. You have to look at motive them simply consider that a democratic Iraq is a threat to the current status quo. And don’t give this bologna about Iran being a democracy either.
Once you have established that simple fact it becomes obvious considering that Iran and Syria are assisting the Mahidi army that they are indeed on the side of evil.
The problem is the Democrats have been given total freedom to play armchair quarter back with impunity by the media. They are the spoilers in the War against Terrorism” once again look at who benefits and you have motive. The problem is with this strategy we all loose. I disagree with Bush caving in to their game in hopes that he will gain an ally in the war instead they will only take the knife that they have imbedded into Bush’s back and twist and slash for better effect.
The only way to level the playing field is if the media properly informs the public a properly informed public will do the right thing. This idea of posturing for a Vietnam scenario in order to wreak the benefit of preaching a false story of failure instead of the real story of betrayal does no one any good.
Consider this if we only went after Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Our troops get hit with WMD’s Shall I remind you of the 50 or so quotes by high level Democrats touting the thread that Saddam poses to National security? These going back into the 90’s? If it had happened we would sure be hearing about how Bush screwed up by not covering our flank side and addressing the Iraq problem.
When the world can see that Iraq is a problem that deserves to be looked at as a humanitarian issue and sees the true picture of what the problem is. Instead of a Bush vs. the world and the Democrats on the side of the world issue as it has been framed. There never will be a good ending to this story.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:49 pmThey aren’t running. Let it go.
Comment by ann — December 6, 2006 @ 2:26 pm
Not yet… :)
Either way, as long as Al is speaking truth to power I don’t really care whether or not he goes after the title. I just hope that if he doesn’t, that someone as equally intelligent and capable does. No clue who that might be at this point…
December 6th, 2006 at 5:52 pmJoeslogic, the congressional authorization was given under the argument that Iraq presented a threat to our national security because of its WMD’s. The authorization included the provision that the Bush people would return to congress with updates on the evidence of WMD’s every 60 days. They never did this, because they never found the weapons or the programs. Democrats had very little to do with this policy and in this one instance of their cooperation, the administration didn’t live up to its end of the bargain. If you have even the slightest idea that trying to blame Democrats and the media for this disaster is going to resonate with the American people, you’re living in a dream world.
December 6th, 2006 at 5:56 pmJoeslogic: “The problem is the Democrats have been given total freedom to play armchair quarter back with impunity by the media.”
When Al Gore spoke out against the Iraq invasion in 2002, he was branded in the media as “crazy”, “unhinged” and “unamerican.” Any Dem who questioned the strategy in Iraq was labeled a “cut and runner.” Where the hell have YOU been?
December 6th, 2006 at 6:02 pmJoesLogic: “The only way to level the playing field is if the media properly informs the public a properly informed public will do the right thing.”
Joe, would you call the pentagon’s refusal to allow the taping of flag-draped coffins, “properly informing the public?”
December 6th, 2006 at 6:04 pm“I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarifiedrules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our overextended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today”
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-Representative Tom Delay (R-TX)
Joeslogic, President Clinton was fulfilling his treaty obligation to NATO by helping them stop genocide in Bosnia. I’m sure statements like the above republican’s were deeply troubling to you.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:08 pmAnn, I’m sure you remember that the majority of Americans and the majority of Floridians voted for Al Gore. Your post, therefore, makes absolutely no sense at all.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:11 pmI bet you do not have a faint clue about what went on in Bosnia.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:14 pmJoe, you’ve already shown that you live in some kind of dreamworld where even though repubs control all branches of government and a broad swath of the mainstream media, Democrats are somehow to blame for the mess we’re in today. And, as if that cowardly bit of blame-shifting isn’t enough, now you want to school us on Bosnia. Well, have at it smart guy.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:19 pmI’m on a forum with Ann Coulter! Pinch me and say it is truly so. It surely sounds like Ann’s quick witted reply to sheer ignorance.
Ann I am sure that I am one of your biggest fans.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:21 pmOsama is SAUDI not Iraqi… learn the difference.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:22 pmformer Vice President Al Gore called Iraq the “worst strategic mistake in the history of the United States.â€
What about Gore not carrying his home state of Tennessee in 2000? That seems like a bad strategic mistake.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:23 pmI’m not sure what Gore not carrying his home state has to do with anything. Gore was and is a committed environmentalist. It took guts to take that position when his home state was so in the pocket of the coal industry. A less honest politician wouldn’t have taken stands that would hurt him in his own home state. Again, the majority of Americans and the majority of Floridians voted for Al Gore. The world we have today is a direct result of the theft of that election by republicans.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:29 pmI bet you do not have a faint clue about what went on in Bosnia.
Comment by Joeslogic — December 6, 2006 @ 6:14 pm
This is really rich coming from someone whose understanding of current international events is shaky at best, and cast in terms of good vs evil to boot.
Your attempt at shifting the blame is pathetic, your hypothetical scenarios make no sense, and it is hard to understand why you think shooting, bombing Iraqis, reducing their country to rubble, somehow benefits them.
You are correct in one aspect: Iraq is a humanitarian issue -although I’d call it a humanitarian catastrophe at this point. All brought about by Pres Bush misguided, and ignorant, policies towards the MiddleEast.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:34 pmAssociated Press, today: “WASHINGTON - President Bush’s war policies have failed in almost every regard, the bipartisan Iraq Study Group concluded Wednesday, and it warned of dwindling chances to change course before crisis turns to chaos with dire implications for terrorism, war in the Middle East and higher oil prices around the world.
Nearly four years, $400 billion and more than 2,900 U.S. deaths into a deeply unpopular war, violence is bad and getting worse, there is no guarantee of success and the consequences of failure are great, the high-level panel of five Republicans and five Democrats said in a bleak accounting of U.S. and Iraqi shortcomings.
Joeslogic or Ann Coulter, your thoughts?
December 6th, 2006 at 6:37 pmThe world we have today is a direct result of the theft of that election by republicans.
Comment by Bluedog49
Aha the old stolen election conspiracy trick…
Where is Maxwell Smart for this idiot.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:49 pmAl Gore after 2000 election: “Missed it by that much.”
December 6th, 2006 at 6:51 pmThere is a solution. And it should be obvious. Put Saddam Hussein back in power. He was doing a GREAT job before the US came along. Knows how to keep his irrational, emotional people peaceful and compliant (with bullets and the occasional cannister of nerve gas).
Saddam for President, 2008! (Of Iraq, of course.)
December 6th, 2006 at 6:52 pmYea like a second chance to redeem himself.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:54 pm“Would you believe… ” Bluedog is Agent 99
December 6th, 2006 at 6:56 pmGoing to a dinner engagement now later.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:07 pmFirst of all and again, the majority of Americans and the majority of Floridians went to the polls and voted for Al Gore in 2000. You can ridicule this fact all you like. It will survive any ridicule because it has the benefit of being true. Secondly, a partisan supreme court, for the first time in presidential electoral history, halted a state mandated recount of all the votes in Florida and awarded the vote to Bush without counting. The court’s judgement, for the first time in the history of our Supreme Court, ruled that its ruling couldn’t be used as precedent for other rulings. Bush cultists, without any real argument which would justify these events, resort to jokes, jokes which trivialize a profound constitutional crime against our system. And they think of themselves as patriots???!! Absolutely amazing.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:21 pmJason M H. Iraq is the WRONG war in the WRONG place at the WRONG time against the WRONG people for the WRONG reasons. If there is a rogue nation in dire need of regime change, you need to look no further than Washington D.C. To keep our troops in this quagmire is akin to hating our troops. Jason, why do you hate our troops?
December 6th, 2006 at 7:23 pm“Would you believe… †Bluedog is Agent 99
Comment by Flaco — December 6, 2006 @ 6:56 pm
No. But I would believe that you are retarded.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:33 pmAnn, I’ve read one of your books and your spelling was a lot better. You must have a very good proof reader. What is a “goog” fight anyway? And, how does a record get set “staright?”
December 6th, 2006 at 7:34 pmI know Gore can be dry and boring, but he is a good person, he would not allow the security this country to be threatened.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:42 pmann coulter?
Who is that?
Isn’t s/he that Reich Wing commentator who committed a felony by knowingly voting in a wrong precinct in Florida ?
December 6th, 2006 at 7:56 pm#128, ForTruth: I know Gore can be dry and boring, but he is a good person, he would not allow the security this country to be threatened.
Have you ever gone to http://www.whitehouse.gov and looked at what President Bush was doing during the summer of 2001?
It is disturbing and puzzling.
He is a lame duck meeting with children while Al Qaeda was sharping their knives.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:59 pmWhat ever came of the Ann Coulter voting scandal, what Coltergate?
December 6th, 2006 at 9:25 pm[…] I found this video clip on Digg earlier today. Urging President Bush to do the right thing in Iraq rather than worrying about how history perceived him, Gore made some pretty good points. […]
December 6th, 2006 at 9:46 pmLike Gore invented the Internet no less. Second biggest liar next to Clinton ever in the White House.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:49 pmAnn, your President Bush will not be remembered as one of the greatest in American history. Quite the contrary, as there is no wit let alone honor or vision in him. He’s always been an empty vessel. If he is remembered as more than a simpleton, stumblebum, or malefactor for shadowy neocons then history will be more beneficient to he and you then either deserve. Time to drop the propaganda Ann, the party’s over. Just go home and we’ll call it a day.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:24 pm[…] It says Iraq is in the midst of a grave and deteriorating crisis. It says Bush policies have failed. According to polls, Americans agree. (All but the red blogging Americans, apparently.) Gore assures Bush the people’s opinions are not about him. Peter Hart of FAIR encourages the media to broaden the debate during the inevitable week of prime time coverage. I haven’t read the report yet, so I don’t know if the report considers the real costs of the war. […]
December 6th, 2006 at 10:56 pmHey Sachmo!
December 6th, 2006 at 11:08 pmI remember that is the same rhetoric I kept hearing from the left and the media about Reagan that turned out not to be so true didn’t it?
#63, katy: nothing “inadvertant†about it…
it was PLANNED CHAOS so they could steal and plunder.
and it worked
Btw……
Get Feith and Exit Iraq without Bush
by Ahmed Amr
Feith and Wolfowitz are long gone. No matter – the damage they intended to inflict on Iraq is done. They are definitely entitled to hang up the ‘mission accomplished’ sign. Their Prime Minister – Ehud Olmert – is obviously satisfied with the results. During his official visit to the United States on November 13th, he thanked Bush for the Mess on Potamia. “We in the Middle East have followed the American policy in Iraq for a long time, and we are very much impressed and encouraged by the stability which the great operation of America in Iraq brought to the Middle East.â€
December 6th, 2006 at 11:11 pm[…] This morning on NBC, former Vice President Al Gore urged President Bush “to try to separate out the personal issues of being blamed in history for this mistake and instead recognize it’s not about him. It’s about our country and we all have to find a way to get our troops home and to prevent a regional conflagration there.”read more | digg story […]
December 6th, 2006 at 11:53 pmRE: I’m not sure what Gore not carrying his home state has to do with anything. Gore was and is a committed environmentalist.
You probably do not know that Gore uses his political clout to ease huge environmental law violations for his family tobacco farm do ya BlueDog?
But then again you actually believe that elections can be justifiably won through a selective recount strategy. If they had only been allowed one more recount right? It’s useless with your type.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:53 pmCan they not see realtity.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:06 amIran is the real issue.
The whole issue is to encircle Iran.
Iran is real trouble.
Imagine of the hanging shads had not happened and Gore had been president Sept 11 ?
You probably do not know that Gore uses his political clout to ease huge environmental law violations for his family tobacco farm do ya BlueDog?
clout?
I thought Mr. Gore was essentially and effectively “neutered” in the 2000 election.
He is and has been democratic talking point mouthpiece.
He will always be remembered as…”The guy who “almost” was next president of the united states.Not good enough,but almost!
Al Gore actually DID save america,by giving his consolation speech.
“And here is a nice parting gift for our contestant Al Gore.”(toaster)
Thank the Lord for strong leaders..(bush)
We must pray for our leaders.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:20 amCan they not see realtity.
Iran is the real issue.
The whole issue is to encircle Iran.
Iran is real trouble.
Imagine of the hanging shads had not happened and Gore had been president Sept 11 ?
Comment by S Jendar — December 7, 2006 @
140.
Yes we were one hanging chad away from armageddon.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:22 amHEY MORON CHAS. DO SOME FREAKING RESEARCH BEFORE YOU CALL SOMEONE A LIAR IDIOT. http://www.perkel.com/politics/gore/internet.htm
December 7th, 2006 at 1:30 amExcuse me… but that’s “President Elect, Al Gore.”
And he couldn’t be more right, Iraq is the single worst strategic blunder of U.S. history. There is no Machiavellian end-game conceivable which could portray this occupation as anything but disasterous to long-term U.S. economic health and national security.
It is the formation of Israel in Palestinian lands all over again (I wonder how many people will froth and scream “anti-semite!”), but in a technically advanced world of satellite phones and loose Soviet “nucular” material, which former KGB Putin is using to off his enemies. You think he isn’t selling that shit? If you don’t then you’re a naive fool.
And the political idealogues (the “children”) spit out crap like “…9-11… new world… Iran is the danger!” in absolute denial of how disasterous this quagmire is. They might appreciate the 1 trillion dollar plus price tag, but that is in today’s dollars, not taking into account the future cost to this country… go ahead, “children,” tell me about how democracy doesn’t have a price tag, that no price is it too high- then give me one good reason why you aren’t in Sadr City.
The bottom line: There is not a single politician in power right now that ever supported this occupation in any way who is capable of mitigating the damage done by it. Certainly there isn’t one with the necessary experience.
Except Al Gore.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:58 amre:#133 Who’s the biggest liar? Republicans of course.
Like Gore invented the Internet no less. Second biggest liar next to Clinton ever in the White House.
Comment by Chas — December 6, 2006 @ 9:49 pm
Clinton and Gore are most certainly the more honest of our recent trend in US politicians. Its ironic that Republicans run around whining about Clinton getting a blowjob or Gore inventing the internet while the Bush crime family rapes and plunders everything in sight. Either you are totally naive Chas, or you enjoy the killing, mass murder, rape, & thievery perpetrated by your Republican heroes.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:05 am145.
Gore-Edwards `08
How old is Gore now by the way.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:21 amYes,being VP for 8 years he surely does know how the Oil-War Machine lobby works.
My feeling is he is a man of vision.Seeing the lobbyists for what they really are and knowing how to effectively deal with that takeover of the govt.
Kennedy and Eisenhower warned us back in the 50-60`s in a few of their speeches.
Gore could see the trend taking a more threatening posture during Iran-Contra process and effectively hedged off the monopoly by these rogues.
Bush`s stormed the White House in 2000-2004,and in fact a coup de tat had effectually taken place.I know in my heart that Bush Sr. is the main puppeteer here surrounding his son with all his clout from the monopolies.
“There can be a coup de tat in America” Kennedy warned us.
Not much more was ever mentioned of it until now when we see it right before our eyes.
You are spot on on the Gore asassment.He is the ONLY one who can get it right.With Bill Clinton`s support and influence together, I think they would get the job done.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:32 amWho do you pray to Ann Coulter?
Certainly not to Jesus, not to my Jesus whom you and your party have dragged through the mud and mire of politics for the past twelve years.
If I have ever seen demon, it’s YOU!
Go spread you hate elsewhere, America has had enough of you and your wickedness.
Pray to your dark lord Ann, it will do you no good, the flames will still be waiting for you.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:41 amWho do you pray to Ann Coulter?
Certainly not to Jesus, not to my Jesus whom you and your party have dragged through the mud and mire of politics for the past twelve years.
If I have ever seen demon, it’s YOU!
Go spread you hate elsewhere, America has had enough of you and your wickedness.
Pray to your dark lord Ann, it will do you no good, the flames will still be waiting for you.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:44 amwhen the vatican tells us to go to war.we go to war.period.
there is no discussion.non christians summarily get taken out.it is a genocide mission from the christians waged every few decades to keep non christian numbers in check.
It has been going on for centuries.It truly is the epic battle of good vs. evil
December 7th, 2006 at 3:01 am#25 The choice boils down to ugly now or ugly later
Exactly… and for some reason this is impossible for some people to comprehend… in some situations in life, there are no good choices…
leave it up to george bush to bring about one of those situations.
Lets give a big round of applause to everyone whose help contribute to the neanderthallic “USA is INVINCIBLE and CAN DO ANYTHING ” attitude.
Congratualations boys, this failure is for you.
December 7th, 2006 at 6:11 amWith the need to fight the war on terror, allowing a rouge state like Iraq to destablize the region was untenable.
As opposed to what its doing now that we “liberated it”?
You Kool-Aid Keyboard Commandos really DON’T look outside your windows much do you..?
Read the report put out by the government you guys run..oh I mean RAN.. haha. Saddam and OSama were ENEMIES!!
December 7th, 2006 at 6:24 amThe fathering of the buregeoning fundamentalist Islamic state in Iraq was inadvertent.
Comment by goodscarrier
Right.. it was .. the tools that hijacked this government thought money would buy the government they wanted in Iraq just like it does here.. unfortunately for thier megalomaniacal master plan they discovered in Iraqi politics the dollah doesnt go as far as allah…
we found a convicted fraudster and embezzler to tell us what we wanted to hear about saddam….. granted, he was convicted by a military court, but i dont see many right wingers complaining about the validity of a military court..
December 7th, 2006 at 6:48 amthe only difference between bush and hitler is the moustache.
Comment by pete
they gave the mustache to bolton. i think it still has some of hitlers brain stuck to it, and its vulcan mind melded with bolton.. god, that guy just looks like a raging pompous pr1ck
December 7th, 2006 at 7:02 am[…] Gore To Bush On Iraq: It’s Not About You […]
December 7th, 2006 at 10:32 amKnowledge, wisdom, wealth, poverty, love, hate… the list goes on can each be obtained for they were there from the beginning. Once attained they can be spread like fertilizer and seed. In this case hate is the seed and ignorance is the fertilizer disseminated by the left. Apparently a lot has be