Comments on: Key Recommendations Of The Iraq Study Group http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:35:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Thiagan De Croos http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1412426 Thiagan De Croos Tue, 09 Jan 2007 04:28:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1412426 Thank you for the opportunity you have provided. I am a christian, and therefore much of what I have stated has biblical links. I believe that no human or group on earth has total, absolutely accurate information to justify a massive military attack on any other country, which will essentially result in unaccounted civilian deaths. Even if an unidentified group causes civilan deaths in our own country. Under these circumstances only a thorough negotiated response maybe considered after engaging all parties concerned to arrive at a commonly decided plan of action. Of course what this essentially means is to establish a common meeting ground where problems are tabled and resolved before any preemptive action is taken. I believe the effective establishment of such a process, will be the first small step for mankind.......... Thank you for the opportunity you have provided. I am a christian, and therefore much of what I have stated has biblical links. I believe that no human or group on earth has total, absolutely accurate information to justify a massive military attack on any other country, which will essentially result in unaccounted civilian deaths. Even if an unidentified group causes civilan deaths in our own country. Under these circumstances only a thorough negotiated response maybe considered after engaging all parties concerned to arrive at a commonly decided plan of action. Of course what this essentially means is to establish a common meeting ground where problems are tabled and resolved before any preemptive action is taken. I believe the effective establishment of such a process, will be the first small step for mankind……….

]]> By: dave http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1244999 dave Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:45:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1244999 Does it bother anybody else that there wasn't a single retired General among the key panelists, and only two members who rose above the rank of 1st Lt? Baker himself only spent 2 years of active military service and now he runs the Dept of Defense. Maybe if we had politicians who spent more time in the military, they could use the military as something more than a tool for re-election. Does it bother anybody else that there wasn’t a single retired General among the key panelists, and only two members who rose above the rank of 1st Lt? Baker himself only spent 2 years of active military service and now he runs the Dept of Defense. Maybe if we had politicians who spent more time in the military, they could use the military as something more than a tool for re-election.

]]> By: bill dann http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1241746 bill dann Thu, 07 Dec 2006 21:50:44 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1241746 Recommendation 63: privatize the oil industry. Now that is something Bush/Cheney can get behind. Recommendation 63: privatize the oil industry. Now that is something Bush/Cheney can get behind.

]]> By: John Deek http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1239861 John Deek Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:13:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1239861 Good point 57. Too bad these idiots think all thier problems can be solved with bombs and expensive fighter planes. We all know the enemy, species <em>terrorus invisibulus</em> is a jabbering incomphrehesible alien/beast, why should we try to talk, or even understand them? We don't know anything about thier culture, their language.. but we do they know one thing.. they stand for everything we dont stand for...and one other thing..they told me you all are stupid! Good point 57. Too bad these idiots think all thier problems can be solved with bombs and expensive fighter planes.

We all know the enemy, species terrorus invisibulus is a jabbering incomphrehesible alien/beast, why should we try to talk, or even understand them? We don’t know anything about thier culture, their language.. but we do they know one thing.. they stand for everything we dont stand for…and one other thing..they told me you all are stupid!

]]> By: Lora http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1239616 Lora Thu, 07 Dec 2006 11:01:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1239616 One of the points brought up in the report is the lack of Us government and military personnel competent in Arabic. For example, the US Embassy in Bagdhad has 1,000 employees, only 33 of whom can speak Arabic and a paltry six who are actually fluent. Not to toot my own horn, but I've pointed out the lack of Arabic speakers in the military, intelligence agencies, etc. several times on previous threads; I remember trolls like Tracy even questioning why I was "harping on the issue so much." This Iraq War has now gone on longer than World War II, yet the Bush administration still hasn't gotten around to training intelligence agents, military personnel, etc. to be competent in Arabic and the languages spoken in Afghanistan. By contrast, shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Franklin Roosevelt administration, acutely aware of the need for linguists, set up intensive training, mostly on military bases, in Japanese--a language, which, like Arabic, is difficult and uses a different script. Nevertheless, some of the young men picked to be linguists learned Japanese well enough not only to translate normal communications but also to break military codes. This is just one of the several aspects in which the Bush administration's planning has been inexcusably shoddy, shoddy, and shoddy. One of the points brought up in the report is the lack of Us government and military personnel competent in Arabic. For example, the US Embassy in Bagdhad has 1,000 employees, only 33 of whom can speak Arabic and a paltry six who are actually fluent.
Not to toot my own horn, but I’ve pointed out the lack of Arabic speakers in the military, intelligence agencies, etc. several times on previous threads; I remember trolls like Tracy even questioning why I was “harping on the issue so much.” This Iraq War has now gone on longer than World War II, yet the Bush administration still hasn’t gotten around to training intelligence agents, military personnel, etc. to be competent in Arabic and the languages spoken in Afghanistan. By contrast, shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Franklin Roosevelt administration, acutely aware of the need for linguists, set up intensive training, mostly on military bases, in Japanese–a language, which, like Arabic, is difficult and uses a different script. Nevertheless, some of the young men picked to be linguists learned Japanese well enough not only to translate normal communications but also to break military codes.
This is just one of the several aspects in which the Bush administration’s planning has been inexcusably shoddy, shoddy, and shoddy.

]]> By: Ben Lee [Beijing] http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1239556 Ben Lee [Beijing] Thu, 07 Dec 2006 10:45:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1239556 Please stay in iraq, please stay.. please stay... please stay... please stay..!!!!!! The longer you stay there the more freedom the rest of the world (sorry Iraqis!) has from your military --- You've invaded or bombed over 30 countries since the end of WWII. Please stay in iraq, please stay.. please stay… please stay… please stay..!!!!!!

The longer you stay there the more freedom the rest of the world (sorry Iraqis!) has from your military —

You’ve invaded or bombed over 30 countries since the end of WWII.

]]> By: Eargy Earp http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1238170 Eargy Earp Thu, 07 Dec 2006 05:27:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1238170 Joe's Lethargic mind???? Come on Neocon warmonger. Are you Wolfowitz? Nobody is buying your kind of crappy logic nowadays....maybe 4 years ago, but not now. Go crawl back into your cave; we'll let you know when the war is over so you can get onto a topic you may know something about. Joe’s Lethargic mind????

Come on Neocon warmonger. Are you Wolfowitz? Nobody is buying your kind of crappy logic nowadays….maybe 4 years ago, but not now.

Go crawl back into your cave; we’ll let you know when the war is over so you can get onto a topic you may know something about.

]]> By: Joeslogic http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1237963 Joeslogic Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:42:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1237963 I love it when the opposing view degrades to the use of sophomoric and baseless insults. It's all that I need to feel vindicated in my view basically proof that I am right. I love it when the opposing view degrades to the use of sophomoric and baseless insults. It’s all that I need to feel vindicated in my view basically proof that I am right.

]]> By: conan the iraqi invader http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1237955 conan the iraqi invader Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:38:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1237955 ok TP now that you yourself have CHERRYPICKED what you would like shown. How about posting the WHOLE report this time. Talk about cherrypicked intelligence. zing! ok TP
now that you yourself have CHERRYPICKED what you would like shown.

How about posting the WHOLE report this time.

Talk about cherrypicked intelligence.

zing!

]]> By: SKdeA http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1237910 SKdeA Thu, 07 Dec 2006 04:30:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1237910 Joeslogic is on crack, plain and simple... Joeslogic is on crack, plain and simple…

]]> By: Matt Phillips http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-2/#comment-1237669 Matt Phillips Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:44:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1237669 There's a big difference between thinking that Baker is right on current Iraq policy and thinking that, for example, knocking over democratically-elected governments and installing thugs is just neato. There’s a big difference between thinking that Baker is right on current Iraq policy and thinking that, for example, knocking over democratically-elected governments and installing thugs is just neato.

]]> By: Liberals and realism at Live From Silver City http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1237642 Liberals and realism at Live From Silver City Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:38:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1237642 [...] New Mexico For Sale thinks that I (along with and other, unspecified liberals) am jumping on the realism bandwagon because I and Think Progress highlighted four Iraq Study Group recommendations this morning: How strange, how unexpected, to see liberals now embracing that school of foreign policy known as “realism,” given that throughout the Cold War they hated but hated it. Who’d a thunk, during those Cold War years when liberals chastised America for backing dictators, that liberals would someday come around and support none other than James Baker himself? Times are a-changin’. [...] [...] New Mexico For Sale thinks that I (along with and other, unspecified liberals) am jumping on the realism bandwagon because I and Think Progress highlighted four Iraq Study Group recommendations this morning: How strange, how unexpected, to see liberals now embracing that school of foreign policy known as “realism,” given that throughout the Cold War they hated but hated it. Who’d a thunk, during those Cold War years when liberals chastised America for backing dictators, that liberals would someday come around and support none other than James Baker himself? Times are a-changin’. [...]

]]> By: Think Progress: Key Iraq Study Group Recommendations at Live From Silver City http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1237621 Think Progress: Key Iraq Study Group Recommendations at Live From Silver City Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:32:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1237621 [...] Think Progress highlighted four recommendations from the recently released Iraq Study Group Report: RECOMMENDATION 22: The President should state that the United States does not seek permanent military bases in Iraq. If the Iraqi government were to request a temporary base or bases, then the U.S. government could consider that request as it would in the case of any other government. [...] [...] Think Progress highlighted four recommendations from the recently released Iraq Study Group Report: RECOMMENDATION 22: The President should state that the United States does not seek permanent military bases in Iraq. If the Iraqi government were to request a temporary base or bases, then the U.S. government could consider that request as it would in the case of any other government. [...]

]]> By: Matt Phillips http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1237616 Matt Phillips Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:30:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1237616 I'm not following Joe's logic. We have replaced the contained Saddam threat with uncontained chaos. What mission did we accomplish, exactly, and how does this help the war on terror? I’m not following Joe’s logic. We have replaced the contained Saddam threat with uncontained chaos. What mission did we accomplish, exactly, and how does this help the war on terror?

]]> By: james k. sayre http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1236982 james k. sayre Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:51:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1236982 Cut the crap, Bush. Cut the crap, Bush.

]]> By: Joeslogic http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1236769 Joeslogic Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:11:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1236769 Mikey your an idiot but I'm sure you feel content in knowing that you are one of many. Mikey your an idiot but I’m sure you feel content in knowing that you are one of many.

]]> By: Mikey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1236764 Mikey Wed, 06 Dec 2006 23:09:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1236764 #41, Joe, did you just get back from a 4 year vacation on Mars? What the hell are you talking about? You call our invasion of Iraq a benefit to the Iraqi people? Wow, I don't even know where to start with that rambling mess of a post. There was no Iraq problem, no WMD's, nothing! Get a grip dude. #41, Joe, did you just get back from a 4 year vacation on Mars? What the hell are you talking about? You call our invasion of Iraq a benefit to the Iraqi people? Wow, I don’t even know where to start with that rambling mess of a post. There was no Iraq problem, no WMD’s, nothing! Get a grip dude.

]]> By: big papa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1236710 big papa Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:54:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1236710 <strong>...Here... ...here's some more sh*t for you to eat... ...this time wrapped in corn tortillas... ...with a little feta cheese for odoriforousness... ...How do you like us now?</strong> …Here…

…here’s some more sh*t for you to eat…

…this time wrapped in corn tortillas…

…with a little feta cheese for odoriforousness…

…How do you like us now?

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1236706 RUCerious Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:54:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1236706 Tell ya what this is, it's just a goddamn piece of paper! Now Get The F*ck Out Of MY OFFICE!!!! Tell ya what this is, it’s just a goddamn piece of paper!
Now Get The F*ck Out Of MY OFFICE!!!!

]]> By: Karim http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/comment-page-1/#comment-1236674 Karim Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:50:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/06/key-isg-findings/#comment-1236674 Bush will not implement a single one of their recommendations. Bush will not implement a single one of their recommendations.

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