Troops react to the ISG report:
By on Dec 6th, 2006 at 9:30 pm
Troops react to the ISG report:
Spc. Eisenhower Atuatasi, 26, of Westminster, Calif.: “There’s no way we’re leaving in two years no matter what any recommendation says.” Staff Sgt. Rony Theodore, 33, of Brooklyn, N.Y.: “All of us want to change what we’re doing because we’re not doing very much.” DailyKos has more.
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You know things really suck when the troops no longer support themselves…
December 6th, 2006 at 9:34 pmNot doing very much? Tell that to the dead Iraqis…
December 6th, 2006 at 9:34 pmF*ck GWB’s pride.
Just stop everything. Both sides have lost enough. Bring them home.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:45 pmYears more of this from Bush&Co?
December 6th, 2006 at 9:45 pmAnd what about those 14 permanent bases and the embassy that is larger than Vatican City? Maybe we can turn them into Disney worlds or golf resorts.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:56 pmHow long did it take this overblown, overpaid, overexpensed study group to deliver an accurate assessment of the situation on the ground when the average grunt could deliver an evaluation in an instant? The real pity is that the most ignorant p(R)esident ever will ignore the results.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:15 pmlistening to rachel maddow this evening… she and guest were discussing the timing of the troops “leaving” iraq… how similar it is to vietnam… about the only specific thing noted in the ISG recomendations was a deadline of “first quarter of ‘08″ for troop withdrawal – in other words, get them out in time for the ‘08 primaries… as in vietnam, they can say that “combat troops” are no longer in iraq… nixon did the same thing…
December 6th, 2006 at 10:22 pm.
The report noted that Iraq costs run about $8 billion a month and that the bills will keep coming. “Caring for veterans and replacing lost equipment will run into the hundreds of billions of dollars,” the commission said. “Estimates run as high as $2 trillion for the final cost of the U.S. involvement in Iraq.” http://michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=8579
Remember the cost estimates in the run-up to the War?
Of course, even then there was another figure bantied about: “an estimate by Bush economic adviser Larry Lindsey — who has since left the White House — that war with Iraq could cost $200 billion.”
And another member of the PNAC:
I would like to see Republicans put forward a viable plan for paying for their War.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:26 pmThese soldiers should begin to heed the words of Lt. Watada, when he urged his fellow soldiers at the Veterans for Peace convention held last August in Seattle to search their consciences and take a stand by saying NO to the war machine in Iraq. The GI resistance movement worked in Vietnam [see the documentary Sir! No Sir!] and it can happen again in Iraq. As those soldiers demonstrated in Sir! No Sir!, the best way to bring the fighting to a halt is to have it happen from within.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:29 pmKaty, yes, and while the politicians play their waiting game, some 1,200 more U.S. families will lose a daughter or a son, a wife or a husband, a mother or a father, a sister or a brother.
In January 2008, will those families feel the cost of waiting another year was justified?
December 6th, 2006 at 10:33 pm#10, Briseadh na Faire: 1,200 more U.S. families will lose a daughter or a son, a wife or a husband, a mother or a father, a sister or a brother.
1200 Americans is nothing compared to the many more thousands of innocent Iraqis that will be killed.
Hopefully that 1200, which probably voted for Bush, will think more seriously in the future about re-electing chickenhawk war mongers/profiteers.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:55 pmThe Lord’s Prayer
Our Father which art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen.
It all went south with the right to vote and all.
December 6th, 2006 at 10:56 pmOur brethren is taking up contributions to help spread this message,won`t you lend your support?
Study says violence in Iraq has been underreported
By Jonathan S. Landay
December 6th, 2006 at 10:57 pmMcClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON – The Bush administration routinely has underreported the level of violence in Iraq in order to disguise its policy failings, the Iraq Study Group report said Wednesday.
#63, katy: nothing “inadvertant†about it…
it was PLANNED CHAOS so they could steal and plunder.
and it worked
Get Feith and Exit Iraq without Bush
by Ahmed Amr
Feith and Wolfowitz are long gone. No matter – the damage they intended to inflict on Iraq is done. They are definitely entitled to hang up the ‘mission accomplished’ sign. Their Prime Minister – Ehud Olmert – is obviously satisfied with the results. During his official visit to the United States on November 13th, he thanked Bush for the Mess on Potamia. “We in the Middle East have followed the American policy in Iraq for a long time, and we are very much impressed and encouraged by the stability which the great operation of America in Iraq brought to the Middle East.â€
December 6th, 2006 at 11:13 pmBoom.chugaluggalugga!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
Drill Instructor Song…feel free to jump in..repeat ecah verse silently..sound off!
I don`t know but I been told!
TP ideas are very old!
When Jane Fonda does wake up!
She will realize she just a pup!
How many `Raquis have to die!
To have a piece of `Merican pie!
CIC is mighty brave!
To send them people back into caves!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
People say the war aint fair!
Those boys sure gots plenty `o hair!
Why O why do you protest!
CIC done sent the best!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
Boom chugaluggalugga!
Crack open a beer and relax creeps,our conquest will end in shame soon,thanks to you.Maybe we should just let terroristic bands roam the US streets and alleyways,killing all the way.
Maybe then you would learn to appreciate us a little more.The majority of us who have been there done that,look upon your anti war rhetoric as anything but honorable.
cheers
December 6th, 2006 at 11:16 pmKind of hard to tell if SSgt. Trimble is being sarcastic or serious – because he sound so idiotic… but you never know how stupid some people can be!
December 6th, 2006 at 11:23 pmWe appreciate our troops, dude. But we think they are being wasted and betrayed by this administration.
Get a grip.
to the person above that wanted to know more about that pig feith, his connection to iraq, richard perle, and all things evil:
http://tinyurl.com/yzpco8
December 6th, 2006 at 11:26 pmhey, Trimble aka IRI aka vinnie
why don’t you crawl back under that pile of steaming dog-shit that you live in and suck off a marine and eat the burning flesh of an iraqi child and LEAVE us the fcku alone!
December 6th, 2006 at 11:29 pmJames Baker’s Iraq Study Group Report is a calculated diversion to try to fool Americans into thinking that changes will occur in Iraq, but in reality the troops will not be withdrawn from Iraq as long as Bush is president, so that means another 2 years of death and destruction in Iraq. 2 more years means another 2 to 3 thousand US troops killed and another 20 to 30 thousand wounded/maimed, plus at least another 100,000+ Iraqis slain as well, and about another half-trillion dollars thrown down the rat-hole fiasco to fund it another 2 years.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:44 pmeat the burning flesh of an iraqi child
Comment by goodcarrier hyperlinkcarrier — December 6, 2006 @
I use to tell the Air Corps before they would make a strafing run that I “like em extra crispy.”
Sure enough,right around chow time,there they were,all barbecued in the midday sun.
Thanks for the pleasant memories.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:44 pm“…. U.S. soldiers are dying trying to help people who don’t want their help.”
Nuff said.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:47 pmI would like to see Republicans put forward a viable plan for paying for their War.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:50 pmComment by Briseadh na Faire — December 6, 2006 @ 10:26 pm
I would like to see every person who voted for Bush have their wages garnished down to minimum wage to pay for this shit.
I would like to see every person who voted for Bush have their wages garnished down to minimum wage to pay for this shit.
Comment by RUCerious
Now there’s a major motivator to get that minimum wage up to a decent level!
December 6th, 2006 at 11:52 pmI would like to see every person who voted for Bush have their wages garnished down to minimum wage to pay for this shit.
Comment by RUCerious
Now there’s a major motivator to get that minimum wage up to a decent level!
Comment by Zooey — December 6, 2006 @ 11:52 pm
haven`t you heard.new minimum wage is $27.50/hr
lol
December 6th, 2006 at 11:55 pm20 – thanks for the link.
Jay, 2 more years also means hundreds of billions of dollars of profits to Bush’s base. Those are the people who will gladly trade someone else’s blood for their continued wealth and prosperity.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:58 pmPerhaps we should be asking our respective State Governments to have their pension funds divest their holdings from the War Profiteers?
The same pressure can be put on private pension funds, insurance company investments and mutual funds.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:00 amYou’all know that P T Barnum had something to say about the birth rate of suckers. They breed (and inbreed) faster in Red States.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:03 amYes Faire the Iraq occupation is about profits for Military Industrial Complex CEOs and for the OIL conglomerates to control Iraq’s crude!
December 7th, 2006 at 12:05 amObviously, the need for the war on terror is open to debate. However, if you presume the war on terror is necessary (ie. it was declared on the west by fundamentalist Islam), is it be better to fight the war in the Middle East or in Europe and the United States?
December 7th, 2006 at 12:26 amhey, Trimble aka IRI aka vinnie
why don’t you crawl back under that pile of steaming dog-shit that you live in and suck off a marine and eat the burning flesh of an iraqi child and LEAVE us the fcku alone!
Comment by goodcarrier hyperlinkcarrier — December 6, 2006 @
I defend your right to asassinate my character.My honor has not been tarnished in the least.
It is you who is the dishonorable one.I can see an apology is beneath you,however you sir, are a mere “civilian” and I thank you for respecting my right to say that.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:32 amYes Faire the Iraq occupation is about profits for Military Industrial Complex CEOs and for the OIL conglomerates to control Iraq’s crude!
Comment by Jay Randal — December 7, 2006 @ 12:05 am
How many years have we been warned now?
Way back to the days of Eisenhower and Kennedy?
They both touched on the military industrial complex.Few listened.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:35 amwhy are BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON sharing the stage with a genocidal maniac this weekend?
here are some of the highlights of mr lieberman’s past:
some concerned progressives and democrats are sending the following letter to HILLARY to ask her to cancel her meeting with him while he is in new york. is this the woman you want to be president????
if you are concerned, her contact information can be found at the top of the letter.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:51 amStop being such as pussy who is scared of their shadow.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — December 7, 2006 @ 12:50 am
Spoken like a true “enemy combatant”
The biggest terrorist organization in the universe.Democrats.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:53 amThe US Army Air Corps has been outta business for a long freaking time. Did you sense around 1941. Are you a WWII vet?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — December 7, 2006 @ 12:53 am
air corps-air cav
depends on who your D.I. was smartass.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:55 amWhy? I need to attach a reason, but have emptied myself of connection and Hu-Ahh. How did we get here? The warnings came too late. For me anyway, as a young person, who didn’t start paying attention until a pretzel became the decider.
I do my best to spread the word. But I find myself talking to people who already know. At least those who have an inkling. PNAC is foreign to most.
I personally am scared. As much as we know, there is more that we don’t. Of that, I am certain.
I have been a believer in God, or some higher power. But my beliefs are being questioned. I need to pray for the soldiers. But I hold fast that no god would let this be.
There is a sign on the “billboard” for a church near me that says “Give Thanks to God for all Things” but I cannot give thanks for the needless death of …. whom?
What scares me is that if we move troops out slowly, unprotected guys will be easy targets. This ain’t a game. It’s my life, my chair that has no indentation, my shelf on the fridge that has no pickles, my pillow that has no smell, my youth that has no … youth.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:01 am.
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war is the work of the devil,God allows the work of the devil because it is a test of your belief in Him,the Almighty.
hold fast!keep the faith.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:17 amGod’s got nothing to do with the war on terror. But to think we can turn our backs on a declaration of war and survive, is insane.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:25 amBTru,
Good to see you.
Trimble: war is the work of the devil, God allows the work of the devil because it is a test of your belief in Him,the Almighty.
If you believe in a diety that offers you an either or, I’m glad you can live with that.
My test of Him sort of failed…in that, my test of me passed.
I, in my early teens, wondered, how can Zeus and Hera be a study….how can we STUDY a religion, as if a laughable myth.
Who is to say that what we believe is not a myth?
Those who “knew” the bible, religion, were the ones who imparted their wisdom, and we sucked it up.
I am done sucking it up.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:47 amWhat, then, do they [Humans] want a government for? Not to regulate commerce; not to educate the people; not to teach religion; not to administer charity; not to make roads and railways; but simply to defend the natural rights of man—to protect person and property—to prevent the aggressions of the powerful upon the weak—in a word, to administer justice. This is the natural, the original, office of a government. It was not intended to do less: it ought not to be allowed to do more.[5]
December 7th, 2006 at 1:56 amwhen the vatican tells us to go to war.we go to war.period.
there is no discussion.non christians summarily get taken out.it is a genocide mission from the christians waged every few decades to keep non christian numbers in check.
It has been going on for centuries.It truly is the epic battle of good vs. evil
December 7th, 2006 at 2:58 am#1,unbelievable, where does it say that the troops don’t support themselves? Or are you just putting words in their mouths?
December 7th, 2006 at 8:04 amWhy do the troops hate the troops?
Comment by Spudge_Boy
Did I miss something, where does it say anything about troops hating troops?
December 7th, 2006 at 8:42 amYeah and maybe then we could call on bankers to stop banking, bakers to stop baking stuff and shoe salesmen from selling shoes.
Seriously, is there no such thing as an anti-war position too stupid to be embraced ? Are there any limits ?
December 7th, 2006 at 8:50 amThese soldiers should begin to heed the words of Lt. Watada, when he urged his fellow soldiers … take a stand by saying NO to the war machine in Iraq.
Comment by Erroll
That is called mutany.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:02 amA Soldier has a duty not to follow an unlawful order such as the order to invade and kill the people of a sovereign nation based on the lies of an incompetent criminal president.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:29 amYes but only when they leave the real world and enter your fantasy-based realm.
December 7th, 2006 at 9:49 amHonestly if you believe this is worth saying then say it already. Not here where it is completely irrelevant. Go say it to some soldiers. Preferably on a military base where not only will you be assured of finding some but where this chain of command at issue exists.
The feedback will be informative for you.
How much do we have to loose.? How many lives snuffed out from here and over in Iraq is enough to satisfy the evil administration we are being held hostage to.? What will it take from us to get this terrible madness stoped.?…My opinion..It will take all of us…We will have to do more than emailing’s, marching’s and call in’s……The only thing that will stop this dreadful killing disease brought on us is to do a total work stopage and massive boycott’s…We the people will have to do all the above in a peaceful way to stop this genocide and we had better start doing all we can the minute the Dem’s take control….Clearly we are being dictated to by huge war amongers on both sides and untill we make it very clear we will take no more this entire bunch will not listen…..We are not the fringe, we are the beating, grieving heart of our country….Please do all you can poster’s for bringing on peace and removing all the cancerious polaticians that are vieing to be the next dictator of our country……Blessings…Peace…..
December 7th, 2006 at 9:50 am1200 Americans is nothing compared to the many more thousands of innocent Iraqis that will be killed.
Hopefully that 1200, which probably voted for Bush, will think more seriously in the future about re-electing chickenhawk war mongers/profiteers.
Comment by goodscarrier
You hit the nail on the head with that on. I say let the a*sholes that have been militarily brainwashed stay over there, delusionally thinking that the chimp-in-chief and the ever-shopping, oblivious american public gives a damn about them!!!!!!
December 7th, 2006 at 10:20 amYou hit the nail on the head with that on. I say let the a*sholes that have been militarily brainwashed stay over there, delusionally thinking that the chimp-in-chief and the ever-shopping, oblivious american public gives a damn about them!!!!!!
Comment by notimpressedwiththeUS
Yep, Easy to see you care!
December 7th, 2006 at 10:40 am#39 DI = Drill Instructor = Marines In the army we call them drill seargents. Or at least in the army I was in and the army my drill sergent frind is in.
The air cav has never been the air corps…dumb ass. I was in the cavalry (3rd ACR) and we never called the Air Cav thhe air corps. We may have called them the Air Crash Squadron when they crashed a chopper, but nothing beyond that and certainly nothing as antiqitated as the air corps.
December 7th, 2006 at 11:00 am#47 & #48 they are simply extraoplating the tried and true republican position of “if you don’t agree with the policy/president, you hate the troops” Therefore if a soldier questions whether anything will happen as a result of the ISG, he is showing a lack of faith in the ability of the president to make things happen and thus must hate the troops. You really do need to keep in mind the republican position on issues. The simple ones are if you question any policy you are a bush hater. If you question any iraq policy you are a bush hater who does nto aupport the troops and who wants AlQueda to win. Its really very simple annd uncomplicated. (republicans have shownn that complicating things hurts their brains)
December 7th, 2006 at 11:05 am#5
And what about those 14 permanent bases and the embassy that is larger than Vatican City? Maybe we can turn them into Disney worlds or golf resorts.
Comment by EL CHUPACABRA — December 6, 2006 @ 9:56 pm
I guess the secret plan isn’t so secret anymore…
December 7th, 2006 at 11:05 amThis would have to be the biggest spending government in the history of the US, the World and the frickin Universe???????!!!!!!
December 7th, 2006 at 11:10 amIf you don’t get the joke then 9 out of 10 times, the joke is on you.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:18 pmTank at # 49 & 52
Your illogical rantings against Lt. Watada reminds me of the very relevant poem by playwright Bertolt Brecht where, ironically, your name appears.
General, Your Tank Is a Powerful Vehicle
General, your tank is a powerful vehicle.
It smashes down forest and crushes a hundred men.
But it has one defect:
It needs a driver.
General, your bomber is powerful.
It flies faster than a storm and carries more than an elephant.
But it has one defect:
It needs a mechanic.
General, man is very useful.
He can fly and he can kill.
But he has one defect:
He can think.
You may also wish to revisit your history books. Lt. Watada and others are emulating what took place on GI coffeehouses on military bases both at home and abroad, which was an underground war resistance movement which took place among military personnel during the Vietnam War. Hundreds went to jail and thousands more went into exile for their beliefs. By 1971, a colonel stated that this underground movement had infilitrated the entire armed forces of the United States. It was eventually made into a documentary entitled Sir! No Sir!, which was released earlier this year. The GI resistance movement was instrumental in ending the Vietnam War. The same thing can happen today if enough people throw their support behind these soldiers who are saying NO to the war machine in Iraq. The best way to stop this illegal war is to have it happen from within. Bring those troops home- safely- now.
December 7th, 2006 at 12:51 pmIf you don’t get the joke then 9 out of 10 times, the joke is on you.
Comment by SpudgeBoy
Damn, can’t you answer a simple question with a simple answer? OR are you like so many that likes to put words in peoples mouths.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:31 pm