Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR): Bush’s Iraq Policy ‘May Even Be Criminal’
Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR): Bush’s Iraq Policy ‘May Even Be Criminal’
As the 109th Congress drew to a close, Sen. Gordon Smith took to the Senate floor and delivered a scathing indictment of President Bush’s policy in Iraq. Gordon said, “I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way being blown up by the same bombs day after day.”
Smith added, “That is absurd. It may even be criminal.” Watch it:
Transcript:
GORDON: I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal. I cannot support that any more. I believe we need to figure out not just how to leave Iraq but how to fight the War on Terror and to do it right.
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Yes it is criminal, so will Gordon support impeachment against Dubya?
December 9th, 2006 at 1:37 pmabout damn time someone is saying it. lets say it is NOT maybe.
hurry up and get your chemical suit and body guards. in bush world we know you’ll end up missing or the lovely ’suicide’ method
December 9th, 2006 at 1:38 pmMay?
Wow… that’s thr most conviction I’ve seen from a Republican politician in a while… No wonder those guys are such bad lovers…
December 9th, 2006 at 1:40 pmHe’s sick of supporting such policies? Then, why did he?
December 9th, 2006 at 1:44 pmHaven’t we all been saying this for a long time now?
December 9th, 2006 at 1:49 pmThere is small comfort in knowing that a Republican member of Congress shares our views, but aside from that – will anything change? Until it appears that legal action will be taken against Bush&Co for activities in violation of federal law, there is nothing more here except the small comfort of hearing our opinion spoken by a Bush supporter.
When I think of what a dutiful congress should have done to a president who committed the offenses of W, it sends me into a rage; felonies committed by an elected official deserve just punishment by either party — it is an outrage that for six years, the Republicans excused Bush and then defended him.
Is ‘Flash Gordon’…up to something ?!
December 9th, 2006 at 1:49 pmThat hair is criminal.
December 9th, 2006 at 1:52 pmHe is up for re-election in ‘08. Maybe he fears the Dems will sweep him out too. He has always voted along with the hard right. Don’t trust him.
December 9th, 2006 at 1:53 pmWhy Impeachment Is Crucial
December 9th, 2006 at 2:03 pmJennifer Van Bergen : “The choice is not between impeachment and Iraq, or impeachment and ethics, or impeachment and the budget. Impeachment proceedings are not the beginning but the end result of a healing process for the nation that needs to begin now. Impeachment begins with investigations.”
This happened yesterday, but I still can’t find any report of it on Fox News’ website. Perhaps they’re stumped and don’t know how to spin this?
December 9th, 2006 at 2:05 pmWhy is it that we can’t find better ‘representatives’ than people who are polar opposites to most of us?
I mean really, is this guy the best Oregon can do? And if so – why?
December 9th, 2006 at 2:07 pmpelosi isn’t impeaching because the majority don’t want to. she is NOT going to impeach because not matter what the supreme court (bushyboys nuts) won’t let it happen. come folks why do you think he stacked it like he did. this is part of the ‘mission’. why do you think silverstein dumped wtc &. the sec was in there and what did that house. the most damaging shit against this wh ever. along with tons of other scathing shit. folks if the military doesn’t hold a coo or there isn’t a major uprising against the real players, israel, rothchilds(zionist=world owners) nothing is going to change.
December 9th, 2006 at 2:08 pmsaddams nephew escapes jail.
wtf? this is hilarious. sorry but that is what you get when you steal and elect mickey f. mouse for (p)resident.
December 9th, 2006 at 2:14 pmthan again who gives a rats. all of them need to escape the torture of this dictator(bush) before it’s to late. the ’secret’ prisons may eat you up with no trace.
December 9th, 2006 at 2:15 pmi just wonder how FAUX is going to handle this, i know they are going to attack the Congress woman from Georgia for her call for impeachment, will they included the good republican sen.Gordon Smith who said this war is criminal.
December 9th, 2006 at 2:16 pmwell he can do all this talking to try and get re-elected … but will he start talking about and actively supporting impeachment proceedings? I doubt it, but I’m willing to eat my words if he does.
December 9th, 2006 at 2:23 pmAs a side note…the Oregonian Nerwspaper reported Friday that Democrats who voted outnumberd Republicans in Oregon for the first time in forty years in the last election!! FYI Gordon…way to late to cover your ASS now…We are coming for you in the next election no matter what dribbles out of your mouth in the next couple of years!!
December 9th, 2006 at 2:27 pmThis is too little too late. Any R now coming from his “sensitive” side is just laughable. Where’s the guy been for the last several years. . . I hope he doesn’t get away with this crap. No passes for these guys. Oregon, I guess I hardly knew ye . . . liberal state, my arse.
December 9th, 2006 at 2:42 pm#19 Maggie
Remember, Republicans are masters at getting away with crap … though this time i think they may have dug themselves into deep
December 9th, 2006 at 3:01 pmAt the end of his rope?
December 9th, 2006 at 3:26 pmWould someone give W a rope? He’s a cowboy, perhaps he’ll find something constructive to do with it.
He has since clarified that he did not mean criminal as in “crime” but instead as a litrary device. As an Oregonian we all know Gordon is the first to recognize the political wind is solidly against him; but the last to admit it until elctions are near.
December 9th, 2006 at 3:30 pmClearly he is running for re-election in two years. Where was he before last November?
December 9th, 2006 at 3:44 pmThe Dems have talked about subpoena – when this happens and the the hearings begin …when the facts hit the population how can they not begin impeachment? And for every Repub that votes against impeachment – a vote against what America stands for – couldn’t this be used against them in election ‘08 and ‘10? Think of the house cleaning we could do. There is much swift boating the Dems must and can do.
December 9th, 2006 at 4:01 pmI’m an Oregonian, and yup – too little, too late. I think he’s been trying to be invisible the last few years, but now realizes he has to take this position in order to survive in ‘08, as many others have pointed out. Just let me say “bye-bye” Gordon.
December 9th, 2006 at 4:02 pmThis is the first time as a Senator that Smith has ever voiced an opinion or taken a stand other than the kool-aid talking points. I had the misfortune of living in Oregon when he was elected. So from experience I doubt that he has much conviction but would probably vote to impeach if the call was not close. On the other hand if Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) had made the statement the Warden at Leavenworth could have the VIP (Vastly Igrorant Prick) cell repainted in DUHbya’s favorite colors.
December 9th, 2006 at 4:05 pmIt is definitely criminal. Impeach Bush now or the troops will be trapped in Iraq until the end of his presidency.
December 9th, 2006 at 4:06 pmI said this yesterday, and I will say it again today:
I don’t buy for a second that Sen Smith is truly sorry to have supported a misguided military adventure that has killed, maimed thousands of Iraqis and Americans.
He says the war may “even be criminal†on the floor, but then he takes that statement back through his spokesperson. Did it really take him 3 or so years to realise the war has been fought “in a very lamentable way�
He is just covering his sorry behind, not taking a principled stand.
On the other hand, as long as the illegal occupation of Iraq ends, I don’t really care what the actual motivations of Smith and his ilk are.
December 9th, 2006 at 4:13 pmWe should expect more of these changes of heart now that the GOP has been fired and those who are left will have to deal with the mess. What he should do is visit the homes in his state of the soldiers who gave their lives or limbs and look the family members in the eye and explain his rather sudden change of heart. Be a man, find the courage to admit you made a horrible mistake and take responsibility for your actions.
Or hide in DC and hope your constituents forget.
December 9th, 2006 at 4:15 pmOregonGal
December 9th, 2006 at 4:21 pmI am from Oregon too – lucky enough to be in hearing range of KGO from SF – 810 am – Bernie Ward @ 10 pm and then Ray Taliaferro @ 1am m-F.
Smith has always voted against the American people – along the Repub party line. When our other Senator, Ron Wyden worked hard to save the internet for America, Smith went up against that too. Smith is toast, he knows it and this desperate attempt make right the wrong he stands for is disgusting.
Hey Lee,
Yes, Wyden is a gem. Despite the fact that we Oregonian’s aren’t too cool (plaid flannel shirts, and moss growing on us from the rain!), every once in a while we get it right, and elect someone we can be proud of. Just curious – do you think Wyden may have greater political aspirations?
OregonGal
December 9th, 2006 at 4:54 pmThank you, Lee and OregonGal. I had been wondering if this is just a ploy to save his butt in the next election in Oregon. You two confirmed my suspicions.
December 9th, 2006 at 5:03 pmCornered Military Takes to Desperate Tactics
Inter Press Service
Dahr Jamail and Ali Al-Fadhily
FALLUJAH, Dec 9 (IPS) – People living in areas where resistance to U.S.-led occupation is mounting are facing increased levels of collective punishment from the occupation forces, residents say.
Siniyah town 200 km north of Baghdad with a population of 25,000 has been under siege by the U.S. military for two weeks.
IPS had earlier reported unrest in Siniyah Jan. 20 when the U.S. military constructed a six-mile sand wall in a failed attempt to check resistance attacks.
Located near Beji in the volatile but oil-rich Salahedin province, Siniyah has become a vivid example of harsh tactics used by occupation forces, who have lost control over most of the country.
“Thirteen children died during the two-week siege due to U.S. troops’ disallowance for doctors to open their private clinics as well as closure of the general medical centre there,” a doctor from the city reported to IPS via satellite phone.
The doctor spoke on condition of anonymity, fearing reprisals from the U.S. military. IPS had to reach him by phone since the military blockade has cut the city off from the outside world.
“This is not the first time U.S. troops have conducted such a siege here, but this time it represents murder,” the doctor said.
A U.S. military public relations officer in Baghdad told IPS on phone that the military was doing “what it had to do to fight the terrorists in and around Siniyah” and that “no medical aid is being interfered with.”
When IPS told him it had received contradictory information from a doctor in that city, he replied, “that is just not true.”
The siege has generated resentment against the Shia-dominated Iraqi government led by Prime Minister Noori al-Maliki, who has failed to comment on the deaths. Sunnis have not missed the sharp contrast to his order to U.S. troops to lift their checkpoints around the Shia area of Sadr City in Baghdad.
Sectarian conflict has been rising between Shias and Sunnis, two differing followings within Islam. Sunnis are the majority worldwide, but Shias are said to be the majority within Iraq.
Abdul Kareem al-Samarrai’i, a leading member of the Islamic Party that participates in the Maliki government, stated on Baghdad Space Channel that the 13 children died in Siniyah “because of the siege and the U.S. army orders to deprive the town of any medical care.”
Duluiyah, another small town roughly 60 km north of Baghdad has been under siege by the U.S. military for the last three weeks.
“They (U.S. military) applied the siege upon Duluiyah (close to Samarra) many times, the last of which partially ended last week,” Samir Muhammad of the Samarra municipality council told IPS.
The Geneva Conventions forbid use of collective punishment. International law says the occupying power in a country is responsible for safeguarding the civilian population.
ENOUGH ENOUGH ENOUGH GO HOME
December 9th, 2006 at 5:18 pmmr kafka,
even the most wicked have a moment of epiphany, if they are fortunate enough to listen for it. i agree with you to the extent that i would rather spend a day talking to a pile of what comes out of our the neighbor’s dog than spend a minute with a republican, but, it is *possible* that they can have a moment of clarity…
so, this doubter will give this man the benefit of the doubt until he proves himself to be a liar to his words. his remark about a ‘war-crime’ as opposed to merely a ‘crime’ is a distinction i will give him. we know bush is a war-criminal, but, he is also a simple ‘criminal’ as well…
December 9th, 2006 at 5:20 pmIPS reported Nov. 17 that U.S. military had shelled several houses in Ramadi, killing 35 civilians.
A partial siege of the city continues, and residents are complaining that a new militia formed by Maliki’s government in the name of “fighting terror” has been rounding up young men from the city.
The militia recently took control of the University of Anbar in Ramadi and started harassing students. U.S. soldiers blocked the main road to the university before the militia entered the campus.
“They even harassed the president (principal) of the university and accused him of being an al-Qaeda leader,” a university professor speaking on condition of anonymity told IPS. “The principal is a professor in chemistry and a very peaceful man who has dedicated his life to science and supervising PHD and MSC graduates.”
PROOF THAT AMERICANS ARE BEHIND THE MILITIAS
December 9th, 2006 at 5:20 pmyes, tobey, this is standard operating procedure—it is a ‘gift’ of the negorponte-led ‘rebels’, as he did in nicaragua and in vietnam. in the business world, it would be called his ‘core competence’…
thank you for bringing it up here. i know that almost all of the people here are not fully aware of the situation there and the american influence in the murders, tortures, and the burning of mosques. americans have decided to enhance the shia militias to get rid of the sunnis that the saudis and bushis want dead.
on the university, this story recalls to mind the ‘kidnapping’ at an administrative office two or three weeks ago, again, whilst us forces ‘looked on’ and did nothing…
December 9th, 2006 at 5:30 pmhave i mentioned how much i hate republicans? but, you have to understand that what lott gives the republicans is the ability to fight better as a minority. as an avid c-span watcher for years, i can tell you that trent lott is quite good at the procedural games and the wickedness that the republican senators will need in the 110th…
agreed, republicans are heartless murderers, racists, and criminals. but, what they did by choosing lott is bringing a gun to a knifefight. he is much much better at what they need than mcconneell or anyone else. whether he is or has ever been a racist was not part of the equation. it is about POWER and keeping it. lott will help them quite a bit…
December 9th, 2006 at 5:41 pmIt’s beginning to look like there will be Republican votes to be had if an impeachment proceeding is passed on to the Senate. There will be oversight in the House and investigations in both chambers. Gordon Smith is simply trying to save his job after being a pathetic yes-man for the last 4 years. If the Democrats have a case, there will be others like Smith who will vote to impeach.
December 9th, 2006 at 5:53 pmLee, the Democrats don’t have to “Swiftboat” anyone. The truth will suffice. Let’s have an investigation into that missing $9 billion in cash. Let’s find out who threatened the OMB accountant with dismissal if he told congress the true cost of the Medicare bill. Let’s see who was involved in hacking into the Democrats’ computers and stealing email messages for months on end. Let’s review the energy policy and whether Enron executives had any undue influence over the peoples’ business. And most of all, let’s go back to that war authorization. There was a stipulation conservatives hope we have all forgotten. The administration was supposed to update congress every 60 days on new evidence of WMD’s and the threat they posed to our national security. Bush hasn’t lived up to his end of the agreement. Then there are a host of other more petty issues like who authorized shifting $700 million from Afganistan to Iraq without congressional approval and does Bush deserve a censure from congress for violating the terms of the 14th Amendment for going around the country telling people that Treasury Bonds were worthless pieces of paper. There’s just a lot of accounting to do on so many things. It’s going to be exciting.
December 9th, 2006 at 6:10 pmWell, yeah it’s criminal. Bush is a war criminal. His entire administration is guilty of war crimes. They should all be tried by an international tribunal, convicted, and sentenced to life without parole. If I believed that the death penalty was ever appropriate, many of them would certainly deserve a sentence of death in my view.
December 9th, 2006 at 6:18 pmpelosi isn’t impeaching because the majority don’t want to. she is NOT going to impeach because not matter what the supreme court (bushyboys nuts) won’t let it happen.
Comment by bs — December 9, 2006 @ 2:08 pm
I think you are wrong on both points. First, it appears the a slight majority may be ready for impeachment (according to a Newsweek poll taken shortly after the last election). Second, the Supreme Court cannot stop the House from impeaching or the Senate from convicting. They have no control whatsoever over the impeachment process.
My hope is that Pelosi is putting impeachment off the table for now (which I think is wise), then using oversight hearings to drum up support for impeachment before moving forward. My fear is that Pelosi is a clueless, spineless idiot who will seek accommodation out of the false hope of political gain.
December 9th, 2006 at 6:24 pmbluedog,
i like your list and each ought to be investigated and each ought to be an article of impeachment.
interesting about the missing 9 billion in cash; i would really like to know how that was laundered. it is a fact that the uae, through dubai international capital, invested about 8 billion or so into the carlyle group in 2005.
what do you think?
December 9th, 2006 at 6:28 pmWhat may be criminal is the way Demo-defeatists throw in the towel. The US has not been engaged in a war since WWII in which Dems sought victory.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 5:48 pm
Just another patent lie from a chronic liar, a real piece of dirt that can’t quit lying to itself and everyone else. Democrats were overwhelmingly in favor of war with Afghanistan, a war that the Republicans proved determined to lose. Democrats clearly wanted to win the Vietnam war for at least several years, and mostly stopped wanting to win it when it became apparent that it was an unwinnable and unnecessary war. Democrats also overwhelmingly supported the first Gulf War. I don’t know what the deal is with the Korean war, but I bet there is scant evidence that Democrats wanted to lose it in any sense of the word.
So keep on lying, fool, because believing your lies is the only shred of hope you have to avoid a catastrophic psychological breakdown. Or maybe your pathetic lies indicate that breakdown is already well under way.
December 9th, 2006 at 6:30 pmre:#39 Democrats are the true American Patriots, meanwhile Republicans are party of greed and corruption
The US has not been engaged in a war since WWII in which Dems sought victory.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 5:48 pm
The Dems won WWII despite Republicans who supported Hitler.
FDR Defeated the Nazis, While the Bushes collaborated
“…President Franklin Delano Roosevelt who defeated Hitler and the Nazis, while many American right-wingers of the 1930s and ’40s were promoters of Mussolini, Hjalmar Schacht, and Hermann Goering. And among the extreme American Fascists and Nazis of the period, there were some who openly sympathized with Adolf Hitler…”
“the Union Banking Corporation, an asset of German steel cartel boss Fritz Thyssen, who proudly admitted that he was Adolf Hitler’s earliest and biggest financial backer, in his book I Paid Hitler (1941). From 1924-1942, the UBC was the New York City bank holding company for all of Thyssen’s U.S. corporate operations. The arrangement was made with Thyssen by W. Averell Harriman, and several Brown Brothers Harriman directors, including Roland Harriman and Prescott Bush, were directors and shareholders of UBC, even after Hitler took power in Germany and invaded Eastern Europe. Bush remained a managing director of UBC right up to the moment that the U.S. government moved to shut the bank down.”
Apparently Republicans didn’t see a profit involved in opposing Hitler and I’m sure since many if not all Republicans were and continue to be racist, they quite enjoy the idea of killing jews and people of color.
Many modern day Dems, unlike the majority of Republicans, don’t believe in waging war for profit. And since WWII, most if not all of the wars the US has been involved in were motivated by war profiteering.
The Top Ten War Profiteers
December 9th, 2006 at 6:33 pmpeople people, ignore the hermaphroditic troll…let it go on and clean the third floor restrooms at the court-house and pretend you didn’t hear a word it said. it is always a lie and anyone with a brain knows it…
i hope you are right, verbal…pelosi had better not get delusional about her future being brighter if she cowers to the crime family and ignores the people! sixty per cent of her OWN constituency voted on ‘impeachment’ in a recent vote/poll–
December 9th, 2006 at 6:37 pmSenator Gordan Smith should lead the way to impeachment. It would be wise and fruitful for the Republicans to impeach Bush if they wish to save their party from utter irrelevancy, just as Goldwater did with Nixon. Perhaps that is wishful thinking on my part, since it seems so very clear after the last 12 years of Republican rule how cheaply they have sold out their principles.
December 9th, 2006 at 6:55 pmpeople people, ignore the hermaphroditic troll…
comment by e-coli
You shouldn’t insult honest people who were born as hermaphroditic by comparing them to this obnoxious troll. Please find a better name for it (ie. the troll).
December 9th, 2006 at 7:21 pmThank you for demonstrating the need for remedial reading .
“The US has not been engaged in a war since WWII in which Dems sought victory. Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 5:48 p
FDR Defeated the Nazis, While the Bushes collaborated
“…President Franklin Delano Roosevelt who defeated Hitler and…”
*******S-I-N-C-E W-W-2. (Say it aloud two more times.) Please tell me you ARE more handsome than intelligent…..as your self-promoting retort doesn’t BEGIN to address my argument and I would hate to think anybody who takes the time to cut and paste like you is so stupid. But why aren’t I surprised?
December 9th, 2006 at 7:22 pmmy apologies lora, i just got there from the ‘mighty aprhodite’ pretending to sometimes be a woman while many troll-watchers think it a man…it seemed to fit.
can i still call it an ‘it’? yes, it is an obnoxious troll and i am all for ignoring them–
December 9th, 2006 at 7:24 pmYou shouldn’t insult honest people who were born as hermaphroditic by comparing them to this obnoxious troll. Please find a better name for it (ie. the troll).
Comment by Lora — December 9, 2006 @ 7:21 pm
I prefer to call it a knuckle-dragging cross-dresser, but that description is both speculative and an insult to primates and cross-dressers of all stripes.
December 9th, 2006 at 7:26 pmnow when your tolerance expands to include people who think differently than you……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 7:26 pm
Lying isn’t the kind of “different thinking” that we tolerate here.
December 9th, 2006 at 7:28 pme coli – - please accept my compliments on your most appropriate moniker….
December 9th, 2006 at 7:31 pmDear VK – Tell you what, why don’t you PROVE that I am wrong – demonstrate the Dems and Leftists desire for victory SINCE WWII….Then we’ll prove how “truthful” you are……
P.S. Your side has an EXCELLENT toleration for liars….conservative liars get kicked to the curb where they belong and Dems get re-elected…..
December 9th, 2006 at 7:36 pmre:#50 Democrats are the true American Patriots, meanwhile Republicans are party of greed and corruption (part II)
Thank you for demonstrating the need for remedial reading .
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 7:22 pm
You’re welcome. Apparently you need additional practice.
The US has not been engaged in a war since WWII in which Dems sought victory.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 5:48 pm
“Many modern day Dems, unlike the majority of Republicans, don’t believe in waging war for profit. And since WWII, most if not all of the wars the US has been involved in were motivated by war profiteering.”
Comment by Republican Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopoly — December 9, 2006 @ 6:33 pm
Please tell me you ARE more handsome than intelligent…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 7:22 pm
Please tell me you are rich because you are clearly neither.
At any rate, since your Republican pea brain is incapable of understanding why I began my response with the fact that Democrats won WWII despite the Nazi sympathetic Republicans, it was to remind people like you that Republicans since Lincoln are not the kickass war party you people claim you are. Most of you Republicans are simpering little pansies that are afraid to go to war with the troops which is why you sit behind your computer like a coward while people in Iraq are dying. Get your ass over to Iraq if you support Bush and his war against brown middle eastern people. Otherwise, go crawl back into your pathetic racist money hungry unethetical hole.
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December 9th, 2006 at 7:49 pm41 Bluedog49
Yes it is going to be exciting. But is the truth going to suffice? Unlike you and the other intelligent posters on this board it is average America I am worried about. They have no clue (thanks to our corporate owned right wing media?), are ignorant and with a small attention span. It is mind boggling when you try to talk to these people. Will the truth get out in enough volumn to suffice?
I hope you are right.
December 9th, 2006 at 7:52 pmhi, katy,
i hope your man runs. as for signing petitions for anyone wanting my vote in 2008, that is reserved for the FIRST senator or congressperson that tells me that they are going to either impeach bush and cheney and-or see that they are prosecuted under the war crimes act. if no one steps up, i will not walk to the poll to vote for any of them…
December 9th, 2006 at 8:00 pm#57 – “….Get your ass over to Iraq if you support Bush and his war against brown middle eastern people. Otherwise, go crawl back into your pathetic racist money hungry unethetical hole. ” Comment by Republican Corporate
Oil
*******Dear RCO – Thank you for demonstrating the stupidity fostered by exceedingly poor schools. I am a veteran, as is my husband, the handsome AND brilliant, Mr. Aphrodite. As my husband is an olive complexioned man, I have nothing against “brown people”. I DO have something against Islamic-wacks who wish us dead. (Apparently you don’t. But they do appreciate terror apologists such as yourself.)
I am do not judge people by their race – I judge them by their behaviour. And when people throw the insult “money hungry” – that is usually the result of not having two nickels to rub together., not because of unfortunate circumstances, but poor choices……
December 9th, 2006 at 8:07 pm#59 – “….Unlike you and the other intelligent posters on this board it is average America I am worried about. They have no clue (thanks to our corporate owned right wing media?)…” Comment by lee
*******Dear lee – I have always enjoyed listening toclever Progs and Progettes bemoan the intellectual capacity of the “average American.” You don’t think it might have a thing to do with the poor-quality of education in this country, do you? And who has had the run of the schools for the last 50 years???? Hmmm….
December 9th, 2006 at 8:12 pm#62
What children learn in our public schools is more controlled by conservatives rather than progressives, though in the 1990’s progressives were beginning to gain hold.
December 9th, 2006 at 8:29 pmNow, you may ask how could conservatives have control in what you consider a government controlled by liberals … it all has to do with textbooks. Generally, textbooks have to be accepted by the schoolboard, specifically at the state level. Publishers will print textbooks based on what the Texas schoolboard chooses, since it has one of the larger school populations … Though this is not true for everything, it explains why textbooks in history especially have changed so slowly, compared to the progress that has been made in historic scholarship.
I say in the 1990’s progressives started to get a hold because the Republican congress started interfering with historical interpretation in our national museum, specifically the Enola Gay controversy.
This is of course just a quick summary and explanation … but I think it gives you the general idea.
re: #61 Right Wingers spread lies to justify war, occupation, murder, rape, thievery, and genocide.
I am a veteran, as is my husband, the handsome AND brilliant, Mr. Aphrodite
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 8:12 pm
MA, you are a rear eschelon MF’ing pogue at best as is your man although I believe you are a liar and your so called “husband” is merely an alter ego of your insanity. You are no doubt a man pretending to be a woman married to a man. You stink like Mark Foley, Reverend Ted Hagard, and Jeff Ganon. I don’t know a Republican that isn’t mentally ill in some way. You’re obviously no different.
I DO have something against Islamic-wacks who wish us dead. (Apparently you don’t. But they do appreciate terror apologists such as yourself.)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 8:07 pm
This is the excuse you rely upon to sleep at night since you support a war against Iraq, a sovereign nation that had no connection to 9/11. You no doubt fantasize about shooting Iraqi people in the head, watching them squirm. You probably wished you were at Abu Ghraib torturing those Iraqi prisoners and positioning them in sexual positions like their captors.
And when people throw the insult “money hungry†– that is usually the result of not having two nickels to rub together., not because of unfortunate circumstances, but poor choices……
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 8:07 pm
Nice assumption about my economic status. I must have hit a nerve. Apparently you’ve been labeled as a “money hungry” W a time or two, no doubt by your collegues that watched you exchange favors for an increase in position. You’re just a typical Republican. Which means I don’t believe a goddamned thing you say.
December 9th, 2006 at 8:34 pmMA
I said ignorant not uneducated because of the the quality of the corporate owned neocon media.
“poor-quality of education in this country” the quality has suffered as a result of the Bush administration.
What is really bad now and will pull our contry down even more than it is is the fact the gene pool of those who can easily go to college are the wealthy.
December 9th, 2006 at 8:40 pmDear RCO – How nice of you to chastise me for my assumptions about you. NOW….go back and re-read your first “paragraph”….now tell me about the hypocrisy of YOUR assumptions. Kettle..meet pot….
When you are able to discuss the policy differences between the terms “peace agtreement” and “cease fire” get back with me. Your limited knowledge re: historical events (the cessation of Gulf War hostilities might be a good place for you to start) prevents your participation in any sort of interesting dialogue.
As for believing what people have to say – do you think the good Dems of Louisiana will re-elect William “the freezer” Jefferson? I’ll leave you to YOUR sexual fantasies – another area of diversity Dems seem to celebrate.
December 9th, 2006 at 8:45 pmisn’t there something stronger than impeachement for bush, perhaps someone can give him a gun with 1 bullet.
December 9th, 2006 at 8:45 pmMA
you wrote:
‘much of school curriculum is not concentrated on educating children – it is centered on warehousing them. Social promotions, lowered standards, showing “lemon†teachers, not the door, but directions to a new school’
What a sad view.
Did you have a bad childhood school experience? Your children?
December 9th, 2006 at 9:54 pm#73 Being who claims to be from Ga
Please do us a favor and actually respond intelligently to what is being discussed in the topic rather than copy pasting the same post in every thread. Then other posters might consider you as an intelligent being worthy of discussing issues with in a civilized way. Any other responce is just a total waste of time on your part and proves that not only do you have no life, but that you are just a neoconservative shill who doesn’t know what they are talking about and cannot think for themselves nor hold a conversation with another human being.
Cheers.
December 9th, 2006 at 10:42 pmyou are just a neoconservative shill who doesn’t [...] hold a conversation with another human being.
Comment by AshenShard — December 9, 2006 @ 10:42 pm
“Another” human being? What makes you think the troll is human?
Given the mindless repetitious nature of its posts, I am inclined to believe it is a trained chimpanzee.
A slow-witted chimpanzee, that is.
December 9th, 2006 at 11:05 pmre:#73 Right Wing Straw Man Propagandist Spammer offers truce to Democrats
If it were really “all about oil,†we would imitate the French and Germans. We would pursue an anti-Israel policy, and crawl on our knees so as not to offend the Arabs. Instead, for strategic and religious reasons, we stand by Israel, which has no oil. And we pursue a firmer policy with the Arabs, especially Iraq.
Comment by Blalock from Ga. — December 9, 2006 @ 9:58 pm
The above is perhaps the most naive and baseless nonsense in that entire post of whining crap. It is ironic however watching a Republican whine and snivel instead of chanting “kill kill kill, terror terror terror.”
“In short, Republicans are accused of wanting to destroy our form of government, oppress our people, pollute the earth, and plunge the world into an unnecessary war. ” Comment by Blalock from Ga. — December 9, 2006 @ 9:58 pm
This is where you should have stopped because the rest is meaningless crap. Republicans are guilty of wanting to destroy democracy, oppression, exploitation, murder, rape, pollution, and the list of crimes goes on.
“We hate you – vote for us†Comment by Blalock from Ga. — December 9, 2006 @ 9:58 pm
Does anyone hate a rabid dog?
At any rate, I don’t want Republicans to lie and pretend to have Democratic agendas like Senator Gordon Smith is doing by suddenly turning on Bush. I would prefer to prosecute, convict, and incarcerate Republicans for crimes against humanity, Smith and Bush included.
Thanks for the offer but no thanks. I have no desire to appease the Republican criminal scum that is responsible for destroying the planet. And any Democrats that support these criminals are just as guilty and should be held just as responsible.
There are far more Democrats than Republicans. We don’t need to convert Republicans. We just need to stop them from continuing their agenda of destruction.
December 9th, 2006 at 11:19 pmre:#’s 78 & 79 Thoughts from the high school dropout, inbred, methamphetamine addicted, KKK, Deliverance branch of the Republican Party
If you’re so “patriotic” and in support of Bush, why aren’t you in Iraq instead of making sexual advances toward me?
December 10th, 2006 at 1:23 amUniversal Press Syndicate
By Ann Coulter
THE CHAIRMAN of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Patrick Leahy, recently said: “To contend that [Miguel] Estrada, a young attorney with no judicial experience, is the only Hispanic who could be a nominee to a potential vacancy on the Supreme Court does a disservice to the many outstanding Hispanic judges serving in our federal and state courts.”
Actually Bush was just looking for top legal talent, not models for a Benetton ad. And not even a Supreme Court justice. Estrada has been nominated to a federal court of appeals by President Bush. It’s rather churlish for Leahy to complain that Estrada has no judicial experience. He can’t develop judicial experience until he’s on the bench, where the Democrats refuse to put him because he has no judicial experience.
It’s interesting that Leahy complained about Estrada’s youth. After an utterly undistinguished legal career prosecuting cow-tipping cases in Chittenden County, Vt., Leahy was, his Web site boasts, “also the youngest senator (34) elected from the Green Mountain State”!
To be sure, Estrada, 40, has no cow-tipping prosecutions under his belt. But he has argued 15 cases before the Supreme Court, often considered even better experience than practice before the Chittenden County bench. When Ruth Bader Ginsburg was nominated to the Supreme Court by President Clinton, for example, the media briefly stopped hailing Hillary Clinton as the greatest legal mind in the universe in order to rave about Ginsburg’s six arguments before the Supreme Court.
Back when Estrada was first nominated – one year ago – Leahy said: “The nominees who were selected for their qualifications are likely to be confirmed. Those who were selected primarily for their ideology are not likely to be confirmed.” But in the succeeding year, Leahy has refused to grant hearings to a slew of lawyers with astonishing legal qualifications.
Almost 40,000 students graduate from law school every year. Each year, only 33 will clerk for the Supreme Court. Indeed, only three sitting members of the Supreme Court – also a good credential – did so. Estrada is among this elite group, as are at least three other of the nine lawyers Bush chose for appellate courts one year ago.
Estrada clerked for Justice Kennedy and has argued 15 cases before the Supreme Court. John Roberts clerked for Justice Rehnquist and has argued more than 30 cases before the Supreme Court. Jeff Sutton clerked for Justice Scalia and has had 15 arguments before the Supreme Court. Michael McConnell clerked for Justice Brennan and has argued 11 cases before the Supreme Court. None of them have even been given hearings by Leahy.
It turns out what the Democrats mean by “selected primarily for their ideology” means the nominee went to top law schools, had prestigious federal clerkships, went on to distinguished legal careers – but are believed to be Republicans. Evidence of “extreme views” consists of association with the Federalist Society, a group of intellectuals that holds racy legal debates on the privileges and immunities clause, and issues publications with edgy titles like “Reciprocal Compensation Decision Resolves Little.”
As legal scholar Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., explained: “We don’t want this to be a judiciary jammed and packed with people who’ve come out of the Federalist Society with extreme views.”
Consequently, Bush had already purged his list of judicial nominees likely to incite a Democratic witch-hunt. He withdrew the names of two Harvard Law School graduates – one a Supreme Court clerk, one a U.S. congressman – after Democrats discovered with alarm that the two had suspicious associations with the Federalist Society. To get a fair shake from the Democrats, the Federalist Society should change its name to “Communist Party U.S.A.”
In addition to the first nine he chose, Bush even included two Clinton nominees – an unprecedented concession. The Senate Democrats responded to Bush’s olive branch by quickly confirming the two Democrats and refusing to confirm all but one of Bush’s nine nominees.
When that first batch of judicial nominees was announced one year ago, Democrats said they would refuse to hold hearings until the candidates had been vetted by the Democratic Party’s legal adjunct, the American Bar Association. OK: All four of these nominees have been reviewed by the ABA. Three received unanimous “well qualified” ratings (Estrada, McConnell, Roberts), and one received a mixed “well qualified/qualified rating (Sutton).
Still, no hearings.
When Bush recently complained about the massive resistance to his judicial nominees, Leahy angrily denied the accusation, saying: Republicans did it first! In point of fact, Republicans held up nominations of jurists like Frederica A. Massiah-Jackson of Philadelphia, who shouted obscenities at prosecutors from the bench. (”Shut your f***ing mouth,” she exclaimed.) Which Clinton nominee with a half-dozen arguments before the Supreme Court did Republicans refuse to confirm?
But moreover, even if it weren’t a lunatic comparison, what kind of argument is that? The Republicans did it too? This must be the sort of finely honed legal argument one develops prosecuting cow-tipping cases. Perhaps the Federalist Society could finally gain the admiration of Senate Democrats if it too began showcasing the legal logic of bratty 4-year-olds.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:55 amHopefully that’s file footage of him, circa 1982.
December 10th, 2006 at 6:18 amThis reminds me of the blackadder:
(from WWI)
December 10th, 2006 at 7:30 amWe have a cunning plan.
Does it involve getting out of trenches and running at the enemy
Why yes.. how did you know blackadder?
Becuase its the same plan as the last 30…
And that is why they will not suspect it…
Hello, my name is Mighty Hermaphrodite, and I want to “win” in Iraq, unlike you cowardly defeat o-crats. And by win, I mean “have a government in Iraq that is democratic”. Democracy rules. Except in Palestine. And Iran. And Venezula.
BUT I support a democratic iraq. And if 51 percent of the populace of Iraq votes for the following democratic principles, I will think its great and DEFINITELY worth sending all my “boys in blew” to go die for..
1) Death to Israel
2) Death to America
3) We support Hamas and will give them 10 percent of our oil revenue
4) We support Hezbollah and will give them 10 percent of our oil revenue.
5) All american soldiers are subject to Iraqi laws, no immunity.
6) We will develop nuclear technology and share it with our neighbors.
7) We will sign treaties and mutual defense agreements with Iran and Syria
8) We will sell all our oil to russia and china and none to AMerica, Britian, or europe.
9) All women will wear veils.
10) Iraq will have no law that contradicts the laws of islam
YAY DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ. WINNING IN IRAQ = DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!!!
GO DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ
December 10th, 2006 at 8:56 am1) Death to Israel (Good they are the trouble fullstop)
2) Death to America (Good they are the root of all evil)
3) We support Hamas and will give them 10 percent of our oil revenue
( Good a democraticaly elected terror org that dont give in to Isreal)
4) We support Hezbollah and will give them 10 percent of our oil revenue.
(Good lets hope they overthow the stupud christian goverment )
5) All american soldiers are subject to Iraqi laws, no immunity.
( and why not) when in rome
6) We will develop nuclear technology and share it with our neighbors.
( as America was the only country in 2005 to vote at the UN to keep Nuked GOOD)
7) We will sign treaties and mutual defense agreements with Iran and Syria
( good )
8) We will sell all our oil to russia and china and none to AMerica, Britian, or europe. ( Bushes fault here he should not have tried to steal it then)
9) All women will wear veils. ( Thats their society leave them at least there women show some respect by keeping clothes on)
10) Iraq will have no law that contradicts the laws of islam ( thats their belief stay out)
December 10th, 2006 at 9:13 am[...] On the Senate floor Thursday night, Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR) said Bush’s Iraq policy “may even be criminal.” This morning on ABC’s This Week, Smith elaborated on his criticism of Bush, calling his Iraq policy a “dereliction” and “deeply immoral.” Smith said the death of ten soldiers on Wednesday made him go from “steamed to boiled” about Bush’s failed policies. [...]
December 10th, 2006 at 10:41 amHow about doing it right by having the guts to question the commander-in-chief?
December 10th, 2006 at 10:56 amYou don’t think it might have a thing to do with the poor-quality of education in this country, do you? And who has had the run of the schools for the last 50 years???? Hmmm….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — December 9, 2006 @ 8:12 pm
Traditionalists (i.e. Conservatives) And here’s a progressive approach to fixing it (which is why my school exists and exactly what I and my like-minded Progressive colleagues are already doing in our classrooms)
How to bring schools into 21st century
POSTED: 9:38 a.m. EST, December 10, 2006
(Time.com) — – American schools aren’t exactly frozen in time, but considering the pace of change in other areas of life, our public schools tend to feel like throwbacks.
Kids spend much of the day as their great-grandparents once did: sitting in rows, listening to teachers lecture, scribbling notes by hand, reading from textbooks that are out of date by the time they are printed.
A yawning chasm (with an emphasis on yawning) separates the world inside the schoolhouse from the world outside.
This week the conversation will burst onto the front page, when the New Commission on the Skills of the American Workforce, a high-powered, bipartisan assembly of education secretaries, business leaders and a former governor releases a blueprint for rethinking American education from pre-K to 12 and beyond to better prepare students to thrive in the global economy.
While that report includes some controversial proposals, there is nonetheless a remarkable consensus among educators and business and policy leaders on one key conclusion: we need to bring what we teach and how we teach into the 21st century.
Right now we’re aiming too low. Competency in reading and math — the focus of so much No Child Left Behind testing — is the meager minimum. Scientific and technical skills are, likewise, utterly necessary but insufficient. Today’s economy demands not only a high-level competence in the traditional academic disciplines but also what might be called 21st century skills. Here’s what they are:
Knowing more about the world.
Thinking outside the box.
Becoming smarter about new sources of information.
Developing good people skills.
Can our public schools, originally designed to educate workers for agrarian life and industrial-age factories, make the necessary shifts?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/10/time.cover.tm/index.html
December 10th, 2006 at 12:15 pm41
o’ i know folks in congress and even repubs want an impeachment. i was saying folks think that congress does not want to impeach and that is the reason for no impeachment……i say wrong. i also say wrong to ‘other important things on the table’ excuse. if these pricks actually worked 5 days/week, like theyare suppose to, you know, earn your pay. shit would get done.
no the supreme court can not stop the proceeding but they CAN stop the the outcome of impeachment by saying bushyboy has done nothing wrong. and that is exactly going to happen. do you really think this prick, the occupier of the wh is going to go through all that trouble of getting is buddies into office if not on his side or have the same ideology. these pricks think it was ok to go into iraq. scathing reports against bushco went up in flames when silverstein pulled wtc 7. the first point i think i just worded it wrong, my bad.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:32 pmI hope people agree with me on one point: it should be obvious to every thoughtful poster on these boards that there is no good reason to respond to anything the Mighty A-hole vomits on to this site. The Mighty A-hole is not here to argue. She is here to provoke. She doesn’t deserve a response. My suggestion, again, is to ignore the a-hole. Let her find another group of thoughtful progressives to bother until they, too, understand that it is useless to engage such a low-down dirty excuse for a human being.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:45 pmbs, I’m not sure, but I don’t think the Supreme Court can prevent an impeachment and removal from office. And criminal or civil indictments which could possibly come out of impeachment hearings could be overturned by the Supremes, but Impeachment is the legislative branch’s remedy for “high crimes and misdemeanors” being committed by the executive branch. I don’t even think the Supreme Court gets involved at all.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:48 pm[...] Via ThinkProgress, Republican Senator Gordon Smith (OR) is jumping ship. President Bush may not understand that the people have spoken (and as he continues to ignore it, his approval ratings continue to drop), but Smith isn’t waiting for him to catch up: GORDON: I, for one, am at the end of my rope when it comes to supporting a policy that has our soldiers patrolling the same streets in the same way being blown up by the same bombs day after day. That is absurd. It may even be criminal. I cannot support that any more. I believe we need to figure out not just how to leave Iraq but how to fight the War on Terror and to do it right. [...]
December 10th, 2006 at 5:08 pmwell, if demos stay in power ,prepare to lose your firearms ,,neither party is any good at present .
December 11th, 2006 at 11:29 am[...] Last week, Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR) — who originally supported the war in Iraq — delivered a scathing indictment of President Bush’s policy in Iraq, stating it “may even be criminal.” Yesterday on ABC This Week he called it, a “dereliction” and “deeply immoral.” [...]
December 11th, 2006 at 3:21 pmfight the cristian facist police state mr bush is hitler jr
December 11th, 2006 at 4:49 pm……..
December 11th, 2006 at 7:17 pmIMPEACHMENT is without any question necessary. But it’s also only the start, far from adequate by itself, alone.
But Sen. Smith is fine in saying that the war is criminal the way it’s being commanded and US troops keep getting killed; however, that’s only a small part of the WHOLE TRUTH of the matter. He is WRONG with regards to the war on terrorism needing to be fought correctly, unless, of course, he really means going after the real criminals involved, the Bush administration, the Israeli govt, etc., etc. The WHOLE war on terrorism is CRIMINAL from the start, from the planning phase that began back in the 1990s. It is wholly full of FRAUD, and the highest treason that could be committed to nation. The whole Bush administration consists of TRAITORS of the worst kind; although dumb, but still traitors and criminal as hell.
One example is that Bush said before launching the actual war on the Taliban regime that they had had nothing to do with the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001; but because they refused to capture and hand over Usama Bin Ladin, they deserved to be bombed, carpet bombed. Ya know, like when he told them that if they did not accept the oil pipeline deal and thereby receive carpets of gold, then they would be getting carpets of bombs, which is bloody well what they got, too.
Oh, no, au contraire, the Taliban had accepted to hand over UBL; it’s the US ally govt known as the govt of Pakistan that refused the Taliban handing UBL over.
Of course the Bush administration was aware of this; and MUCH MUCH MORE “things” not told to Americans.
IMPEACH, without any questionability, DO IT. But then put’em all on trial for criminal wars of aggression, on both Afghanistan and Iraq, and Haiti, as well; in addition to trials because of their extreme TREASON! Let’s not be partial and overlooked ALL OF THE CRIMES really involved.
December 11th, 2006 at 9:43 pmI FOR ONE WELCOME OUR NEW NEOLIBERAL OVERLORDS. I’d like to remind them as a trusted political personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their aboveground control grids.
December 12th, 2006 at 12:43 amImpeachment hearings are no doubt in order…The worst kind of rat is a demic-rat, republicans just happen to have been at the wheel. What must happen to save our country and permit the oppertunity for world-wide peace is to identify and destroy the REAL shot callers!!!
A good place to start would be using the harsh interogation methods on those who sanctioned their use on terrorist suspects. It needs to be known who the owners/controllers of the federal reserve are. From what I have been able to find, the evidence all points towards The Bank of England…This along with many other facts suggests to me that the Americans ‘WE THE PEOPLE’s true enemy is the US government’s closest ally.
I’m not convinced that a handful of patriots won the revolutionary war and/or that the US has ever gained its independence. It was simply ‘DECLARED’, what King George did was brilliant in achieving/delivering his claim to the majority of ‘The New Worlds’ vast wealth and resources to/for the ‘Crown’.
December 12th, 2006 at 12:49 amI am at a loss as to the childish meanderings of some on this stream. Americas problem is a simple one but the courage to change is the real obstacle. The ‘opposites’ of both Republican and Democrat are actually ‘opposames’ meaning that they give only the illusion of being different. Until the American public develop the sophistication and intelligence to decipher and understand the shenanigans of this political system the status quo will remain just that. If you vote for Beelzebub or Lucifer the winner is still Satan.
December 12th, 2006 at 6:51 amI am at a loss as to the childish meanderings of some on this stream. Americas problem is a simple one but the courage to change is the real obstacle. The ‘opposites’ of both Republican and Democrat are actually ‘opposames’ meaning that they give only the illusion of being different. Until the American public develop the sophistication and intelligence to decipher and understand the shenanigans of this political system the status quo will remain just that. If you vote for Beelzebub or Lucifer the winner is still Satan.
December 12th, 2006 at 6:53 am[...] Sure, it “may even be criminal,” but, if Bush meets that Maker he’s always on about, I know it’s a sin. [...]
December 12th, 2006 at 10:08 pm[...] Smith added, “That is absurd. It may even be criminal.” Watch it: Link to Video thinkprogress.org/2006/12/09/gordon-smith-iraq-criminal [...]
December 14th, 2006 at 9:40 amThis is nothing but pre-emptive strike to unburden Gordo with a formerly popular policy turned rancid. Get it out of the way…the sheeples will have long forgotten his support of this rubber stamp war by the Fuehrer. Gordo has a rotten voting record on importing H1-b and L1 visa holders as well as voting for open borders and not supporting employer sanctions laws passed in 1986. He and his type are the problem. Get rid of him.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:20 amDo you know where I might purchase the complete video of Senator Gordon Smith’s talk on the war in Iraq?
Thanks!
December 31st, 2006 at 11:47 am[...] Velvet Underground Award for Beginning to See the Light – Senator Gordon Smith [...]
December 31st, 2006 at 10:41 pmThank you for opposing the troop surge. It feels horrible and helpless to think that our president is not listening to the will of the people and persists in holding onto a deluded belief that we can “win” this “war.” How many of our loved ones will have to die for his stubbornness? I appreciate you taking a stand.
January 19th, 2007 at 5:11 amOkay, I’m doing a project on Gordon Smith right now and I came to this site and read everyones comments, if you have any information i’d GREATLY appreciate to tell me some things about him, this is a project for my American History class due Monday! Help Help Help!
February 2nd, 2007 at 11:41 amSenator Smith, I support your stand on this never ending war in Iraq. The more we try to do for these people the more they try to kill our troops and steal our money. How many ministers have taken millons of dollars from us and fled to England and france and now live the good life on our dollars. How many more billions of our tax dollars are we going to waste over there due to mismanagement of the funds or just outright stealing. Congress thinks nothing of sending billions of dollars over there with no accounting for but to just send over more so that equipment and supplies are just handed over to the insurgents one way or another.
February 7th, 2007 at 1:56 pmHow is it possible that a country that had all kinds of money and resources before the war can not supply the money for their own water and power and interstructure. What has happened to all the millions of US dollars that was found by the US troops buried in hidey holes and in the vaults around their country??? Who gets all the money from the sale of the oil that is going out everyday? Where does all that money go and who gets it besides Halaburton Exon, Cheveron amd the rest of the big oil companies, and this is so that they can gouge the American people with obscene profits at the same time YOU PEOPLE continue to give them big tax breaks but want more taxes from the middle and lower brackets to pay more so that YOU can give more away over there.
You want to give big breaks to all the illegals that come in here like the drivers lic. Soc. Sec. benifits, med, and special schooling. We had to follow the rules to get a drivers lic and we had to work until 65 to get Social Security but not if you are an illiegal or even an allien. Soc Sec and medacare are getting to be a big joke and not available to those that have worked hard all their lives following the rules and paying into the system only to have their jobs outsourced to someone else and so much fraud that they can’t get decent medical care.
You want to make a big splash all around the woeld by trying to help everybody else that just hates us but you don’t want to spend our own taxes on our own people that need it
You broke up ATT because it was working to well but you said it was a monoply but yet you stand aside and let the big oil have their way. It couldn’t be because of the fact that big oil has owned Congress and the Senate and the rest of the politicans sine they found oil in PA back in the 1800’s????????? You can spin all you want on that but it won’t change the truth.
I am only one voice and one vote so I know that I don’t count as much but there will be a time, and it is coming sooner than you think, that more and more people like me have the same thoughts and will get together. If there isn’t some drastic changes made to this fouled up system then one way or another some drastic changes will be made.
I love my country and there is no other like it on earth but you people have been pushing the small folks around just to long and we are just getting tired of it. The war has gone on to long and costs way to much in lives and money, and I cannot see justifing the President asking for almost a trillion dollars for the war effort. The war should have and could have been over if the money grabbers hadn’t gotten involved, and Congress let them have a free ride with no accountability..
I am very very sad each and every day that a trooper is killed and there is no end in sight. Bring them all home alive with honors.
A Proud American, Bob Harding