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62%.
Percentage of Americans who “want the Bush administration to set a timetable for withdrawal” of U.S. troops from Iraq.
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Dec 5, 2006 12:49 PM (4 days ago)
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates – Iran’s top national security official urged Arabs on Tuesday to eject the U.S. military from bases in the region and instead join Tehran in a regional security alliance.
The audacious offer was the strongest sign yet of Iran’s rising assertiveness in its contest with the United States for influence in the region.
December 10th, 2006 at 9:24 amremember, this administration doesn’t listen to polls. That’s funny since polls are the only thing keeping them tied to reality.
December 10th, 2006 at 10:06 amMost Presidents would listen to an obvious 62% majority, wouldn’t they? That is, if they remember that they are paid by us to represent the wishes of the people – a HUGE assumption for this guy who can’t seem to understand the duties of his job. Of course, if one doesn’t consider themselves to be a public servant at the wishes of the people, he’s usually called a “dictator”, n’est pas?
December 10th, 2006 at 10:13 amand 70% want a timetables set for bush to be put in prison
December 10th, 2006 at 10:27 amSo, is it Majority rule or not?
62% of the people want a timetable for us to get out of Iraq, so the President should do what the Majority wants.
But then again, the Majority of the people are against gay marriage, but we should legalize it anyways.
You can’t have it both ways.
December 10th, 2006 at 10:32 amIraqi president calls panel’s report ‘dangerous’Talabani says Study Group’s plan could undermine Iraq’s sovereignty
But what does he know?
December 10th, 2006 at 10:37 amRobert,
Equating the war in Iraq and gay marriage is remarkably simplistic on your part, and you know better.
You started with that crap when you first started commenting here, and it was explained that sometimes the minority must be protected from the majority, and there is a constitutional means to achieve that protection.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:02 amBut what does he know?
Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 10:37 am
Robert,
Did you read the article you linked to? Here is an excerpt:
The Kurdish leader also criticized the call for increasing the number of U.S. troops embedded to train Iraqis from 3,000 to 4,000 currently to 10,000 to 20,000.
“It is not respecting the desire of the Iraqi people to control its army and to be able to rearm and train Iraqi forces under the leadership of the Iraqi government,†he said.
In other words, they want control of the military situation in their own country, which would necessarily entail a reduction of the American military presence in Iraq, if not a complete withdrawal.
But for cheerleaders of the military occupation -like you- the opinion of Iraqis is little more than background noise.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:17 amZooey,
Nope, just pointing out that people are for majority rule when it fits their agenda.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:20 amRobert,
Nice backpedal…
I think most people here already understood your point, but would also recognize my point.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:25 amGregor Samsa,
Nope, not cheerleading at all. I am all for the Iraqis taking charge of the situation over there. I was just pointing out that people sitting 7000 miles away are not the one to best judge the situation over there.
Gee, sounds like Talibani does not like what the ISG recomends, but also finds fault with what the Bush Admin has recomended.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:27 amI was just pointing out that people sitting 7000 miles away are not the one to best judge the situation over there.
Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 11:27 am
And while you are busy pointing things out to others, maybe you should take a break and recognise the obvious: Iraqis (you know, the people who live over there and supposedly are a sovereign nation) have been consistently asking for months that American troops withdraw from their country.
sounds like Talibani does not like what the ISG recomends, but also finds fault with what the Bush Admin has recomended.
What, so you didn’t read it first? Did you think Talabani was in complete agreement with the Bush administration that American troops should remain until some hazy, ill-defined goal is achieved?
This is why I believe people like you still support Pres Bush’s failed policies: You don’t read what’s put in front of you; your attention span is only long enough to half-way absorb the headlines.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:38 amZooey,
Simply, you can not have it both ways. In both instances we are talking about Constitutional issues.
If a majority of the people want a timeline for Iraq, then the though process is that hte Government should give them one, dispite what the minority would want. Therefore the minority whishes are not recognized.
If a majority of the people want a ban on gay marriage, and the Government went with the majority, then it would also be a case of the minority wishes not being recognized.
In otherwords, we can not selectivly pick when to go with the majority.
And for the record, I said I was against an Amendment legalizing gay mariage. As has been illustrated by many on thes site, it is already legal under the Constitution.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:38 am“Most Americans want out of Iraq…..” What has that got to do with anything and why should that matter? What the US government has ever done, both Republican and Democratic, has never had anything to do with what the American people wanted.
Read your history. The corporate media has always manufactured the consensus of “what the people want” and that “will of the people” has always been surprise-surprise, good only for the military industrial complex. There is a good reason why, forget Al Jazeera, even our own CNN International 24/7, is not available to Americans within America.
It is no strange phenomena that the people who are supposedly proud to be Americans and proud of their freedoms, will not lift one finger to stop the rape of America or for the protection of their own freedoms.
“Most Americans want……†Give me a f—ing break.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:41 amGregor Samsa,
Try reading what I say.
TALIBANI DOES NOT LIKE WHAT THE ISG REPORT RECOMENDS AND DOES NOT LIKE WHAT THE BUSH ADMIN WANTS TO DO EITHER. HE WANTS TO TAKE CHARGE OF HIS OWN COUNTRY.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:45 amIn otherwords, we can not selectivly pick when to go with the majority.
Comment by robert
Yes, we can, Robert, and we do.
Brown v. Board of Education
December 10th, 2006 at 12:00 pmMiranda Laws
Civil Rights
Roe v. Wade
Blah Blah Blah…
Brown v. Board of Education-Majority wanted this
Miranda Laws-Majority wanted this
Civil Rights-Majority wanted this
Roe v. Wade-Majority wanted this
Gay marriage-Majority is against this. So, following your logic, this should be illegal.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:03 pmYeah, right.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:05 pmZooey, in the Midterms 9 states voted on Gay Marriage amendments, 1 approved it (gay marriage).
Sounds like a majority to me, kind of like 89%. So I guess the term would be OVERWHELMING majority,
December 10th, 2006 at 12:08 pmTry reading what I say.
Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 11:45 am
I did read it. You saw it fit to make that comment only after I pointed out to you Talabani wants more control of the situation in his own country.
Before that, you tried to use the article to criticise those of us who think a change in Iraq is needed. If that was not your point, do explain what you meant by “But what does he know?”
December 10th, 2006 at 12:18 pmGregor Samsa,
The comment “But what does he know?” was aimed at BOTH side of the aisle.
I will say that I think a change is needed in Iraq. I definately think that we should have done thing differently. But “woulda’, coulda’ shoulda’” time is long gone.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:22 pmFine, Robert.
The gays and lesbians should not have access to the same human rights as the rest of us, because we certainly don’t want you and your majority feeling all icky and squirmy.
Everything is just fine in the world.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:23 pmActually robert you are wrong on all accounts. At the time the majority of the people in this country were not on the side of any of those issues when they were decided. And you are missing the overriding point that the cases outlined are INDIVIDUAL rights. They stem from the Constitution. Whether we stay or leave IRAQ has nothing to do with the US constitution.
For example, interracial marriage being illegal. When thes laws were found to be unconstitutional many people in the US were still against interracial marriage. They also used the bible as their source. Kind of like what they are doing now with gay marriage.
People still scream when a person they believe is guilty is set free due to what they perceive as a technicality like Miranda.
The majority of the people in this country were against both desegragation and the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
All of these issues have to do with individual rights, constitutional rights, not support for or against what the ELECTED leaders in this country need to do to keep America safe and strong.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:30 pmBut “woulda’, coulda’ shoulda’†time is long gone.
Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 12:22 pm
Unfortunately for Iraq, yes.
The Bush (mis)administration opened Pandora’s box and now they cannot close it. All the horrors of death and destruction were unleashed on Iraqis, both old and young, and you come here to lecture “both sides of the aisle”?
Many of us here were against the war since before it began. I never believed for an instant Iraq was a threat. I knew things were not going well when looting erupted in Baghdad, and I knew nothing good could come out of the dismantling of the Iraqi state by Paul Bremer.
But people like you still have the gall to criticise those of us who have been right all along. When will Bush supporters take responsibility and admit the war was a mistake, and that Iraq is soon going to be a humanitarian catastrophe -if it isn’t already?
December 10th, 2006 at 12:35 pmYeah Gregor. It is funny, in a piss me off kind of way, when I hear these repugnuts saying how “we” were wrong. I wasn’t freakin wrong. I was against invading Iraq from the start.
I remember making a T-shirt for my daughter with a peace sign on the front and “Drop Bush Not Bombs” on the back to wear to school. She actually asked me to help her make it. She was in the 8th grade at the time and smarter then all of these trolls even back then.
Because we live in the ingnortant state ot Texas, she had to change her shirt or leave school. I let her decide. She refused to change. She took a position and was not going to back down.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:58 pmDang – how intelligent am I? I cannot even correctly spell ignortant!!!
Good thing I have my daughter around!!!
December 10th, 2006 at 1:01 pmFine, Robert.
The gays and lesbians should not have access to the same human rights as the rest of us, because we certainly don’t want you and your majority feeling all icky and squirmy.
Everything is just fine in the world.
Comment by Zooey
Did I say it should be illegal? I said that you can not have majority rule in one case and only go by the Constitution in the other.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:42 pmI said that you can not have majority rule in one case and only go by the Constitution in the other.
Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 1:42 pm
Yes you can. The Constitution was written to assure individual rights of those in the minority. Whether we leave Iraq is not a matter of constitutional right. Since this decision affcects ALL American people, the US Treasury, and American lives, what the majority beleives should be taken into account.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:49 pmDid I say it should be illegal?
Did I say you said it should be illegal? No I did not. But you don’t think it should be allowed, do you?
I said that you can not have majority rule in one case and only go by the Constitution in the other.
Comment by robert
Yes, we can. See Jules #23 & #28. It’s not as if all this hasn’t been pointed out to you before, Robert.
Maybe you should print these responses out, and every time you start thinking things need to be absolutely fair in every instance, you can review them.
Sorry, I’m getting a late start today on practicing my love and kindness.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:23 pmZooey, I do not care if it is legal or not. I makes no difference to me. I have said that it need to be a Federal Issue, not a States Issue, though. That way, if it is legal, then they will be ensured of all the same right as everyones else. I have also said that there should not be a Constitutional Amendment legalizing it. If there were, that would be the first time the Constitution told the PEOPLE what they can do insted of telling the GOVERNMENT what it can’t do.
Bottom line, I am not for or against gay marriage. I am however, against Homosexuals that want to openly flaunt their lifestyle to the public in an extreme manner. I am also against Heterosexuals that want to openly flaunt their lifestyle in public in an extreme manner. Keep it in your bedroom, both sides.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:32 pmIt’s not as if all this hasn’t been pointed out to you before, Robert.
Comment by Zooey — December 10, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
So, our conservative fiend is a slow learner. Why am I not surprised.
It doesn’t matter how many times -and how carefully- issues are explained to conservatives in this board, they simply ignore the replies and keep repeating the same nonsense over and over, resorting to strawman arguments, and fallacies to make their point.
Did you understand that one last point, Robert? Withdrawing from Iraq is not a constitutional issue. Same-sex marriage is, as an extension of individual rights.
So stop changing the subject, trying to establish a parallel between the two, and stick to the point: Most Americans want the troops out of Iraq. That’s the fact right now.
Does the idea of getting people out of harm’s way hurt you so much that you have to change the subject?
December 10th, 2006 at 2:37 pmGregor Samsa,
The question is, did the President overstep his power granted him by the Constitution. Therefore it is a Constitutional issue.
It would not hurt me a bit to see our troops pulled out of Iraq. I have seen too many friends wounded and killed over there. I have also see too many innocent Iraqis killed over there as well.
My arguement is that many time on this site I have seen people write that it does not matter what the Majority wants, then suddenly the Majority is on their side so we have to do what the Majority wants to do. Lets imagine the tables were turned and the Majority wanted to keep forces in Iraq. People here would still be screaming that they want forces out.
Many only care about the Majority opinion when it fits their POV.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:56 pmThe question is, did the President overstep his power granted him by the Constitution. Therefore it is a Constitutional issue.
Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 2:56 pm
No. You are changing the subject yet again.
Most Americans want the troops out of Iraq. That is the topic of the thread, and that is what you were comparing to the same-sex marriage issue, not whether or not Pres Bush overstepped his power -which is another topic all by itself.
Lets imagine the tables were turned and the Majority wanted to keep forces in Iraq. People here would still be screaming that they want forces out.
Yes, because it is the right decision to make: Get people out of harm’s way. I was saying it before it became the prevalent opinion with most Americans. I was saying it right after Pres Bush invaded Iraq, when most Americans supported military action.
Many only care about the Majority opinion when it fits their POV.
Many here -including myself- see this as a validation of what we have been saying all along.
It also puts a gaping whole in Pres Bush’s rationale for continuing the occupation of Iraq: Most Americans don’t see the military presence in Iraq as essential on the war on terror, and do not see any point in keeping troops there.
I cannot believe I have to explain this to anyone….
December 10th, 2006 at 3:07 pmWhat don’t you people understand that the decider will not leave until we win or he leaves office. That sounds like a time table for withdrawl to me.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:50 pmRobert,
Here’s something for you to read. It’s interesting. Written by a 21 year old Marine.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/12/9/23427/5016
December 10th, 2006 at 11:26 pmIn the meantime, we laern that the Bush administration does negotiate with “them terrists” after all:
SECRET talks in which senior American officials came face-to-face with some of their most bitter enemies in the Iraqi insurgency broke down after two months of meetings, rebel commanders have disclosed.
The meetings, hosted by Iyad Allawi, Iraq’s former prime minister, brought insurgent commanders and Zalmay Khalilzad, the US ambassador to Iraq, together for the first time.
Secret American talks with insurgents break down
After years of tough talk and bravado, it is revealed that, once again, Pres Bush said one thing while doing the opposite.
December 11th, 2006 at 12:19 amZooey,
That is interesting! Now, lets sstand back and see what the fall out is.
Something to note is, back in the mid-late 90’s, a Marine major wrote an opinion piece about Pres Clinton. In his opinion piece, he never slandered the President or said anything that was not true. Once it was published in the Marine Times, he was formally repremanded and was “forced out” of the Marine Corps. Once this young man’s Chain of Command gets ahold of this (which they will, I am sure), it could very well happen to him.
One thing you will also notice in the article, he is not refusing to serve and uphold his obligation.
December 11th, 2006 at 8:48 amRobert,
I did notice he was continuing to serve and upholding his obligation, which is what he should be doing.
I also noticed he is speaking up, and is prepared to accept the consequences of his actions.
A fine young man — our future — if we’re lucky.
December 11th, 2006 at 12:41 pmZooey,
I tried to post a link for you earlier that did not show. Use the Google for Maj Shane Sellers. this will show you what happened to him when he spoke out about Pres Clinton, telling nothing but the truth.
I do commend the young LCpl for upholding his obligation, but I fear he is probably about to suffer for his statements.
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