Juan Williams Hits His Limit on Fox News Sunday: ‘Sometimes I Just Want To Scream’
Juan Williams Hits His Limit on Fox News Sunday: ‘Sometimes I Just Want To Scream’
After enduring years of posturing on Iraq by Fox’s Brit Hume and the National Review’s Bill Kristol on the Fox News Sunday roundtable, Juan Williams reached his limit. This morning, Williams said, “Sometimes I just want to scream. You guys have been going on since this thing began.”
Williams noted that Hume and Kristol “don’t give credit to people…who said from the start this is a mistake.” Instead, “now it’s everybody’s a surrender monkey or impatient or squeamish or weak.” Watch it:
Transcript:
WILLIAMS: Squishy, impatient, you know, they’ll be in the land of milk and honey? What do you imagine, an American administration is coming in, Republican or Democrat, after President Bush that’s just going to lay down and run away like scared little —
HUME: It will not be phrased that way. Listen, Juan, it’s very simple.
WILLIAMS: This is really — sometimes i just want to scream. You guys have been going on since this thing began. I mean, you don’t give credit to people, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Barbara Lee, people who said from the start this is a mistake. You put them down. Now it’s everybody’s a surrender monkey or impatient or squeamish or weak. Why can’t you say, hey, there’s a real problem in Iraq?
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December 10th, 2006 at 11:41 am“Why can’t you just say there’s a real problem in Iraq?”
Because their corporate masters tell them everything is fine, that’s why.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:42 amI find it amazing that Juan Williams has maintained his cool for as long as he has, talking every Sunday to those “idiots!
December 10th, 2006 at 11:43 amTook you long enough Juan. I, and others who knew from the beginning that invading Iraq was a mistake, have been screaming at these people for years. What makes you think they will begin listening now?
December 10th, 2006 at 11:44 amwilliams needs to jump up and start throwing punches…i mean thats what any true blooded american would do…no?
December 10th, 2006 at 11:49 amI think it’s funny how Hume kept using his hand movements to try to settle Juan Williams. I’m sure Juan will be leaving Fox “News” soon.
BTW, is Brit Hume melting?
December 10th, 2006 at 11:49 amJuan doesnt need fox… hes so much better on NPR anyways
News & Notes FTW!
December 10th, 2006 at 11:54 amIt’s about time Juan. Now go over to NPR and sing the same song there.
December 10th, 2006 at 11:59 amBTW, is Brit Hume melting?
Comment by Zooey
Stephanie Miller refers to him as “The Human Shar Pei”
December 10th, 2006 at 12:00 pm:)
Brit Hume looks like he’s getting set to “hose him down”!
Juan just went up a few notches in my book.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:13 pmStephanie Miller refers to him as “The Human Shar Peiâ€
Comment by trueblue
That’s great! Either way, someone needs to tighten the wingnut on the back of Hume’s head.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:14 pmKristol is the co-founder of “PNAC” and is directly responsible for the mess we are in. He had a part in planning the invasion of Iraq before Bush was even president.
Google “PNAC” to see a list of people behind it, since it looks like previous post was censored for not having “pnac” in quotes.
That’s messed up TP
December 10th, 2006 at 12:14 pmWhy can’t you just say there is a real problem in Iraq?
Because I am unwilling to make the sacrifice it would take to stop the flow of oil revenue to the madrasses to protect the US. I want to keep using as much energy as I need to live the lifestyle to which I have become accustomed.
Any more questions?
God, what do you think is going to have to happen that is going to have people wake up to the catastrophe about to occur as a result of our combined intransigence to change our ways? The meltdown is already happening…….
Foolish, foolish Americans.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:19 pmMr. Williams has been a tool for FOX News for a long time. Black and from NPR! He has been the “Balance” that they advertise. I t was a great thing that he did, don’t get me wrong, but he is a part of the propaganda machine. This administration’s talking points are presented on NPR at exactly the same time that they come out on FOX. The Press is supposed to question facts in real time, not three years later. Better late than pregnant!
December 10th, 2006 at 12:23 pmKristol, the neocon and PNAC member is worthless. What is he still doing on TV and why is anyone listening to him? Oh, it’s FOX TV.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:26 pmThat explains it. It also explains Hume and the rest of them who have been watercarriers for Bush&Co for years now, and who cannot speak unless they have been scripted by their leaders. I don’t know why Williams has taken crap from them all this time, but at least for today he has spoken up. (Is Colmes watching?)
They must justify their existence, which is pretty pointless, so pettiness is their only method of defense; call the opposition names, mischaracterize their statements and positions, distort the facts, ignore truth and wait for further instructions.
Today’s FOX Democrat: Christopher Dodd, D-Conn
The “Beltway Boys” lastnight were exclaiming there was “pleny of money” to stay in Iraq.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:28 pmWhy is it that most of us posters had this figured out in 2002? For 4 years, we have listened to the same talking heads in the press and the administration, and the congress…any what do we have to show for it? Nothing. Vote ‘em all out…require term limits of 6 years for Congressmen, 12 years for Senators, and one 6 year term for the President…then you might get some representation from your elected officials.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:30 pmJuan Williams can drop dead. He’s part of the problem.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:32 pmFOX and their fake Democrats must be stopped.
You don’t have to put PNAC in quotes.
—- Spudge_Boy
My other post never made it. Was trying to see why =P
December 10th, 2006 at 12:32 pmSeems PNAC is not censored, so maybe the list was too long?
/shrug
The Bush administration and their enablers have blood on their hands. They can dissemble all they want…the blood can never be washed off.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:34 pmSometimes I Just Want To Scream’
Sometimes I just want America to dissapear under the Ocean
December 10th, 2006 at 12:36 pmHey Juan
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
There now go back to being a good little boy and be quiet. I don’t believe a word you say because it’s 3 years and 2900plus deaths too late.
RIP
SGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 Inf (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Or as the President of THE United States of America calls him
Comma # 1462
Killed because Saddam Hussein had in his focus Nuclear Weapons
December 10th, 2006 at 12:37 pmSince we’re going that route. First I’d scream. Second, I would punch the smirk off of Mr. Kristol’s face. Third, I yank the snaggle tooth right out of Mr. Hume’s mouth with pliers.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:38 pmSometimes I just want America to dissapear under the Ocean
— Tobey Tall
Tobey Tall, It looks like your buddy Blair is neck deep in the slaughter in Iraq. Your own soldiers are there and have been implicated in torture and murder of civillians as well.
Lets hear you condemn your own country for being involved, you hypocritial asshat.
Can’t do that, can you, you can only post anti-american claptrap bull.
December 10th, 2006 at 12:47 pmHypocrite.
“now it’s everybody’s a surrender monkey or impatient or squeamish or weak.†Juan Williams, as quoted by Judd @TP
********I realize Juan is attributing these thoughts to conservatives, but I can FINALLY manage to say, I agree with SOMETHING that escaped Juans’ lips. Leftists/Pacifists/ and assorted anti-Americans ARE surrender monkeys who are exceedingly impatient and weak.
Having said this, we have secured for Iraqi’s what they were incapable of doing for themselves – ousting a tyrannical Saddam and electing a representative government. Should the majority want “infidel” Westerners out – I am not opposed to leaving them. I have reached the point while I feel sorry for average Iraqi’s who simply wish to live their lives, the barbarism so entrenched in their culture might have to be played out.
And while you weak “surrender monkeys” out there bemoan the Iraqis killed in this campaign, you never seem to mention the horrors suffered by Muslims around the world, at the hands of of fellow Muslims……
December 10th, 2006 at 1:15 pmThe Neo-cons have been spectacularly wrong about everything concerning Iraq in particular, and the Middle East in general. From their wrong-headed imperialistic theories to the build-up to the war in Iraq, to the invasion, to the “reconstruction”, etc…
Will anyone tell them that people who are consistently wrong about everything year in and year out, have zero credibility, hence that they should STFU?
December 10th, 2006 at 1:17 pmI loathe Kristol as a commentator, policy shaper….his perspectivice on America does not remotely resemble mine and in many influential areas his agenda is a danger to all of us…..I wish he would leave the public policy arena.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:18 pmMA – you shrill asshat – we are more concerned with the hundreds of thousands of Muslims that suffer at the hands of the Bush administration.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:21 pmAlso worth noting on FNS this morning, upon return from a commercial break, they played the beginning of Senator Gordon Smith’s comment on the florr of the Senate, but cut the quote off before the line, “it’s immoral, it may even be criminal”.
Talk about “selective editing”!
December 10th, 2006 at 1:24 pmWhile I applaud Williams for finally having the courage to speak the truth to power, methinks he might be well advised to update his resume and keep an eye out for other job prospects — if he’s losing his taste for Kool-Aid as appearances seem to suggest, I sincerely doubt that his bosses at Fox will tolerate it for long…
December 10th, 2006 at 1:26 pmWhat is the process, if any, that determines who and what gets posted?
December 10th, 2006 at 1:29 pmWhy can’t you say, hey, there’s a real problem in Iraq?
because the zionists, rothchilds(israel) says stfu. the owners of the federal reserve bank(rockefellers, duponts, morgans etc….) say stfu.
because of bildaberg, halliburton, p-nac, k-street, did i say israel, northwoods document, there is a laundry list and that prick sitting there knows why. f. him to.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:37 pmI don’t know why he even bothers to go on government-run television.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:40 pmAnd while you weak “surrender monkeys†out there bemoan the Iraqis killed in this campaign — unmighty aphid
This was a war based on lies, like what you post on a daily basis.
Your hero Bush forgot about the real war on Terror when invaded Iraq for lies you stupid troll.
Now nato is asking for more help with the Taliban and we cannot help because we are bogged down in a war over lies, rather than go after Al queda where we found them.
You really are stupid for some one that claims to be a lawyer. Sadam had nothing, zero to do with 9/11 and was under control, under sanctions.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:47 pmI hope people agree with me on one point: it should be obvious to every thoughtful poster on these boards that there is no good reason to respond to anything the Mighty A-hole vomits on to this site. The Mighty A-hole is not here to argue. She is here to provoke. She doesn’t deserve a response. My suggestion, again, is to ignore the a-hole. Let her find another group of thoughtful progressives to bother until they, too, understand that it is useless to engage such a low-down dirty excuse for a human being.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:49 pmThere are a couple of things going on with people like Juan Williams. First, the money is off the charts. The money talking heads get paid on cable and network news would be a shock to most people. Many of them have worked their entire adult lives in journalism after getting a degree, and I don’t blame them for taking the money. But, there seems to be a limit to what many of them can take and some seem to feel a genuine sense of guilt for their part in what has happened. Maybe Juan’s just made enough money to pay off his mortgage and send his kids to college.
December 10th, 2006 at 1:52 pmHey, # 27
Killed because Saddam Hussein didn’t had in his focus Nuclear Weapons but some seriously valuable hydrocarbons lying around
Fixed for you. Hope this helps.
On a related note, the WaPo has a nice editorial entitled “Even If We Leave Now, We’ll Be Back” ( here saying :
In future history books, this war may be known as the Second Gulf War, or perhaps this period will be remembered as the era of The Gulf Wars. Just as today we look back on extended and episodic conflicts such as the Thirty Years’ War or the Hundred Years’ War, historians may regard today’s clash as only another battle in a much longer war.
Which is not pessimistic enough, but I don’t think the US has the leeway or resources for another 30 years of on-off conflict. The Really Big Problems will knock at the doors before that.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:03 pmBluedog49 got it–he sold his soul years ago for the cash, and Fox has always needed willing “liberal” fools to make them appear balanced. All Democrats they have on all the time are simply props and always weaker and quieter than those spouting the GOP party line they peddle.
Also, Fox’s ratings are way down, so maybe he sees it as a sinking ship and wants out?
December 10th, 2006 at 2:03 pmRegardless of the reason or the tardiness of the comment, it feels good to watch his say it. He refused to be interrupted . . . better late than never. Wish I could watch the whole thing as I’d like to know what was said next.
I NEVER watch faux news.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:14 pm“And while you weak “surrender monkeys†out there bemoan the Iraqis killed in this campaign — unmighty aphid
This was a war based on lies, like what you post on a daily basis.
Your hero Bush forgot about the real war on Terror when invaded Iraq for lies you stupid troll.
Now nato is asking for more help with the Taliban and we cannot help because we are bogged down in a war over lies, rather than go after Al queda where we found them.
You really are stupid for some one that claims to be a lawyer. Sadam had nothing, zero to do with 9/11 and was under control, under sanctions.”
What lies was the war based on, and how do you know? Why did Bush invade Iraq? Is our military really stretched so thin that we can’t be in Iraq and fight Al Queda? What evidence do you have that Sadam wasn’t involved with and/or harboring terrorists that were affiliated with the terrorists responsible for 9/11? And, finally, do you realize that when you call names, it only weakens your point–not strengthen it?
December 10th, 2006 at 2:21 pm…we have secured for Iraqi’s what they were incapable of doing for themselves – ousting a tyrannical Saddam and electing a representative government…
please correct me if i’m wrong and enlighten me regardless, but i don’t recall the iraqi people ASKING us to help oust “a tyrannical saddam and electing a representative government”…
December 10th, 2006 at 2:29 pmanyone? … really… i always wonder about this…
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I dumped my TV in 2000 so it’s been a while since I’ve seen these guys’ faces. For what it’s worth, both Kristol and Hume look not just a lot older but completely strung out compared to 6 years ago. Williams looks older and angry but as though he still has blood flowing in his veins.
You can’t be a Hume or a Kristol and skate on thin ice as long as they have without its taking a toll. Hume’s voice is close to breaking; he has nowhere to go; he’s hit bottom.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:42 pmWhat evidence do you have that Sadam wasn’t involved with and/or harboring terrorists that were affiliated with the terrorists responsible for 9/11?
Comment by Leah — December 10, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
The so-called ties between This has been explored and debunked many times over. The 9/11 Commission Report carefully analised all possibilities and discarded them. If you have a better document than that, let’s see it.
Don’t forget Pres Bush, VP Cheney, etc. have already admitted there were no operational ties.
Only the woefully -and willfully- ignorant of the facts uncovered by many during the last four years can still cling on to this myth. Oh, and the paid propagandists will repeat this tired meme too.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:52 pmIraq has devolved into a free-for-all competition for power and control of political, economic and religious interests. There is no central recognized goverment or rule of law. The government is bad and the insurgents, militias and terrorists are worse. The citizens of Iraq are on their own in their desperate daily efforts to stay alive. And there’s nothing we can do to stop it. That’s what George W. Bush has created for the people of Iraq in more than three years of negligence and failure. That is their reality. And no matter what anyone wants to believe, it’s George W. Bush’s fault that Iraq has fallen into chaos.
December 10th, 2006 at 3:05 pmJuan still doesn’t get it….Yes, there is a real problem in Iraq…but it was the misguided, illegal and immoral invasion of that third world country that made the problem in Iraq!!!!!!!
December 10th, 2006 at 3:25 pmBill Kristol would have fit perfectly into the Nazi power structure. And I really mean that.
December 10th, 2006 at 3:33 pmOne simple question: Where the hell were some of you “antiwar” people in 2002/2003 when we needed you? We could have stopped this war before it started.
For those of you with selective memories here is something from the Washington Post (May 17, 2003): “According to a May 1, Gallup poll for CNN and USA Today, 79 percent of Americans said the war with Iraq was justified even without conclusive evidence of the illegal weapons, while 19 percent said discoveries of the weapons were needed to justify the war.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A1155-2003May16
Those opposed to war were labeled traitors. Remember? I certainly do. I took great personal heat for my anti-war stance.
I can’t stand people who are wishywashyweathervanes and are opposed to war only when it is safe to be against it.
If you supported war, you got a war. Go join up and fight. What part of that don’t some of you understand?
December 10th, 2006 at 3:34 pmSpudge Boy, I’m just saying that that argument lacks any support or evidence. The Bush Administration didn’t just invade Iraq because of a suspicion that there might have been WMDs. There were other eliments involved. Based on a September 2002 document from the U.S. State Department entitled “A Decade of Deception and Defiance”, the presence of materials that could be used to make WMDs, and Iraq’s supposed intention to produce WMDs based on its refusal to cooperate to UN resolutions were also causes for the invasion. So even though Sadam was “under sanctions”, he failed to abide by them. Additionally, there has been plenty of evidence that Sadam was harboring terrorists. According to George Tenet, the Director of Central Intelligence, there is enough evidence to suggest that, not only have Iraq and Al queda had friendly contact for over a decade AND “discussed safe haven and reciprocal nonagression”, but ALSO that Iraq provided military training to Al Queda at least with respect to biological weapons and conventional bombs. Even if Sadam wasn’t directly tied to the people responsible for 9/11, our invading Iraq, based on its connections to other terrorists, was to prevent the next attack on the U.S.
December 10th, 2006 at 3:35 pmBrit Hume deserves the Pulitzer prize.
You leftist guerillas are just sad the left wing media bias didn`t have
the foresight to pick him up and make him your motuhpiece.
Same with Tony Snow.
Deal with it.
December 10th, 2006 at 3:39 pmKaty,
Yes, there was always a vociferous minority of Iraqis calling for a US-led invasion. Their voice was particularly strong here in the UK because many of them lived here as refugees. (Much the same as, the small minority of anti-Castro cubans went to live in the US to exert a public influence there, same idea.)
Of course, the reason these guys got rid of Saddam was not to set up an airy-fairy democracy. Their plan was to get a Sharia state, a bloodthirsty revenge on Saddam’s lot and be damned to any infidels that get in their way – after all it’s these guys, and not Saddam, that were the religious maniacs in the first place.
Cheers
December 10th, 2006 at 3:46 pmLeah (LIAR)
Every thing you posted was a lie. Remeber the 30,000 gallons of Boutulism toxin that Sadamm was supposed to have, the arial vehicles that were supposed to spray us. The VX and Sarin nerve gasses. The Aluminum tubes that (Dr. Mice) said had no other purpose. But really were for artillery. Everything was sold on the basis that Iraq was an clear and immediate threat to the US.
All of it was bulls@*t lies. Sadaam had none of it and was not a threat. What Sadamm a cruel evil bastard did was say when sanctions came off he was going to flood the oil market with cheap Iraqi sweet crude. That made him a threat.
And why since Sadaam hs been in custody since 2003 are we still in a Moslem country?
December 10th, 2006 at 3:48 pmSven,
Who are you talking to? I think a lot of posters here have been against the war from the beginning and have engaged in anti-war activities. What makes you think otherwise?
December 10th, 2006 at 3:51 pmLeah is obviously a diehard 30 percenter, either a deliberate lying propagandist, or a simpleton fool played by the war propaganda machine. The allegations presented have been so thoroughly debunked that even the Bush administration, pathological liars that they are, long ago gave up on pushing these lies.
I am guessing that Leah has been a handpicked audience member at one of Cheney’s crackpot speeches.
December 10th, 2006 at 3:56 pmJuan’s gonna get a beatin’ from his master over there at Fox. A little pion like him doesn’t have the right to speak out of turn to Hume! The only inferior race they’ll listen to is Michelle Malkin – and that’s just because she like “sucky, sucky; bangy, bangy.” Long live rightwing, white bred propaganda!
December 10th, 2006 at 3:58 pm#54— Leah
Everything you posted has already been discredited, just check the archives of this site and many other places on the web.
Sadam killed and arrested islamic extremists such as al queda members. He never allowed an al queda training camp. fact.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:01 pmYou leftist guerillas are just sad the left wing media bias didn`t have the foresight to pick him up and make him your motuhpiece.
Deal with it.
Comment by gravity — December 10, 2006 @ 3:39 pm
You right wing war criminals are just sad that your party got its ass kicked in the elections, and that your heroes Bush and Cheney will be impeached sometime next year. Your party of perverts and pedophiles is going nowhere fast.
Deal with it.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:04 pmLooks like the trolls are coming out in force this afternoon. They grow more pathetic every day.
Suck it up, losers, this country is on to your games, and your Republican party is headed for hard times.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:06 pmVerbalkint, And then people will be saying the same thing about dems in about 5-10 years or so.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:23 pmI am a southern democrat you idiot.
—– angelina from Ga.
Angie a name changing and gender changing troll that posts racist KKK crap and attack other posters.
Angie has posted under vinnie/ red state loyalist and a few others and been causing general havoc and deliberately tries to derail threads. IT posted a who-is queryon the TP website and claim it was from the NSA, among other general stupidity.
Ignore the sick gender bending troll and proven LIAR.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:24 pmWilliams has been the acquiescent token on fox from the beginning.
Where was the outrage at the beginning of his stint? It’s not like things have changed at all; this group of conservative white fossils continue to spout the same crap they’ve always spewed.
And williams is just now finally getting religion? They must not have agreed to his most recent salary demands.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:25 pmThis whole thing about saddam is pointless. How many people know how many dictators the U.S. has supported in the past? Or more specifically now, like Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:27 pmI am a southern democrat you idiot.
Comment by angelina from Ga. — December 10, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
Perhaps you haven’t noticed this, but the opinion of you around here is unanimous: you are a determined liar.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:28 pmWayne, you can call anything you want a fact, but you still lack support for all of your claims. And I highly doubt that the archives of this site are an authoritative source of info. Really, I’m just trying to figure out where I stand in all of this, because each side has their own set of “facts”, and it’s no easy to figure out with which side I should place my faith. But still, the fact is that we are STILL in Iraq. We certainly can’t just up and leave it as it is, so what do you propose we do about it?
December 10th, 2006 at 4:29 pmVerbalkint, And then people will be saying the same thing about dems in about 5-10 years or so.
Comment by God is a Nihilist — December 10, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
Well, it certainly is possible. The Democrats worry me. They are corrupt in their own way. Most of them are supine servants of the large corporations. But at least the present crop of them aren’t full blown war criminals and psychopaths like the Republicans.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:30 pmWayne, you can call anything you want a fact, but you still lack support for all of your claims. Really, I’m just trying to figure out where I stand in all of this, because each side has their own set of “factsâ€, and it’s no easy to figure out with which side I should place my faith.
Comment by Leah — December 10, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
Leah, have you been living in a cave for the past year? Even the people who invented these lies have abandonded them, including Bush. You need to stop listening to Dick Cheney. He is criminally insane.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:33 pmWe certainly can’t just up and leave it as it is, so what do you propose we do about it?
Comment by Leah — December 10, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
If the opinion of the majority of Iraqis is that American troops should leave, why in the world would you support they stay?
Are you in the habit of walking into your neighbors’ house, uninvited? Do you dig in your heels and sit on the couch when asked to leave?
It is Iraq we are talking about. It a sovereign country, not an American colony.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:34 pmand your lesbian panties are all bunched up and in a snit.
Comment by RICH!! angelina from Ga. — December 10, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
Looks like I struck a nerve, angelina. For the benefit of readers of this thread, I will post an updated profile of angelina:
1. Male, 15-19 years old.
December 10th, 2006 at 4:46 pm2. Poor grades in school.
3. Zero social skills.
4. Spends all of his time in his parents basement.
5. Closeted self-loathing homosexual.
I think it is high time that TP banned angelina. How about it, Judd? Isn’t there something that can be done to flush this pollutant out of the system here?
December 10th, 2006 at 4:58 pmand it’s no easy to figure out with which side I should place my faith.
Comment by Leah
Easy, start with google and find out all you can about PNAC ( project for a New American Century ), who the members are and their plans for a “pax americana empire” starting with invading Iraq.
Their web site is still up.
Their plan to mobilize Americans required a new “pearl harbor” to motivate the US behind them. 9/11 turned out to be their pearl harbor.
These plans were made before Bush became president.
The PNAC group is led by Chairman William Kristol, other members are Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, James Bolton, Zalmay M. Khalilzad, William Bennett, Dan Quayle, Jeb Bush, Lewis (Scooter) Libby, Elliot Abrams, Dov Zakheim, John Bolton, William Schneider, Jr., Paula Dobriansky, Robert Kagan, Vin Weber, Robert B. Zoellick, Jeffrey Bergner, Francis Fukuyama, Peter W. Rodman, Frank F. Gaffney, Peter Beinart, Daniel Blumenthal, Max Boot, Eliot Cohen, Clifford May, Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey, Michael O’Hanlon, Ralph Peters, Danielle Pletka, Stephen P. Rosen, Randy Scheunemann, Walter Slocombe, James B. Steinberg, Frank Carlucci, Gary Bauer, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Charles Krauthammer, John Lehman, Steve Forbes, Dennis Ross, and Marc Ginsberg.
And that is not the entire membership list, there are more, but those are most of the PNAC members you see on the cable TV news networks. When you see any of these people on a cable news show you need to remember they are far right neo-cons who have very partisan views that include having America control the world.
Their web site is still up for the world to see at http://www.newamericancentury.org/
December 10th, 2006 at 5:00 pmNow go get educated.
Comment by Mongo — December 10, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Good work, Mongo, but I doubt it will have any effect on Leah, who no doubt will find someone else with a different set of “facts”, most likely Dick Cheney.
December 10th, 2006 at 5:00 pmI think it is high time that TP banned angelina. How about it, Judd? Isn’t there something that can be done to flush this pollutant out of the system here?
—- VerbalKint
It just posted under Spudgeboy’s name in the jefferson thread. Name stealing/ masqerading is also a violation of the rules.
December 10th, 2006 at 5:02 pmYeah TP needs to something about it.
Please, please go back to Quicktime for your posts. Flash simply sucks. The audio is so choppy I can’t understand what the hell anyone is saying.
December 10th, 2006 at 5:16 pmI realize that this is the weekend, but nevertheless I am surprised at how long it takes TP to flush the filth off these threads. TP should seriously consider a registration system that impedes identity switching, and get more aggressive about banning some of these freaks.
December 10th, 2006 at 5:34 pmdoesn’t anyone know anything about trolls? you have to use a fire or acid attack to kill one, otherwise they keep coming back.
December 10th, 2006 at 5:40 pmRemember before the war Kristol said there was absolutely no history of ethnic conflict in Iraq, and that all the Iraqis would embrace a unified Democracy. Asshole!
December 10th, 2006 at 6:20 pmWe all need to remember that Roger Ailes is the President and founder of FOX NEWS. Roger Ailes got his start during the Nixon administration, and came to a profound understanding by the Reagan administration on how to get people to believe a myth. During the Reagan administration, Roger Ailes brought in Lee Atwater, and Henry Rollin’s to start the dirty tricks campaigns of the 80’s (Willy Horton) under Reagan.
First they duped the Evangelicals that were disenfranchised by Carter over his support for a women’s right to choose. There goal then was to promote a fantasy that people can believe, and through smear, half-truths, married with some small portion of truth the message would stick after saying it over and over again. These political tacticians are the forefathers of FOX News and the unified talking points of the GOP. We all need to remember that Lee Atwater was Turdblossoms mentor. What I find most funny is Lee Atwater’s realization of the true meaning of life on his deathbed:
Lee Atwater’s last words where: “Where did I go wrong” Very profound in it truth. Roger Ailes of his friend, and the brains behind Reagan, said after Lee Atwater passed “He only said those things in a moment of weakness”.
December 10th, 2006 at 6:28 pmfinally, someone with balls.
December 10th, 2006 at 6:35 pmBrit Hume used to play tennis with Poppy Bush every week when 41 was President. He’s nothing but a lapdog, a shrill for anyone named Bush. He’s not a journalist, his specialty is propoganda.
Krystol who was the Chief of Staff for Vice President Quayle. If Krystol was pulling the strings for Danny Boy, he didn’t know what the f he was doing. Quayle was considered a joke and a lightweight. Did you ever think that somebody more unfit on an intellectual level with Quayle would become President?
It’s like watching rats jumping ship. The Neocon rodents are scattering for cover and hacks like Hume & Krystol need to eat a whole lot of political crow. 5 years from now, you won’t be able to find any of these Amateurish Chickenhawks to fess up to supporting this war from day one.
LBJ’s legacy was Vietnam. Nixon’s legacy was Watergate. Combine both of those and they don’t even come CLOSE to what’s going on in this country today. Watergate is like a parking ticket and Iraq is 1st Degree Multiple Murder counts.
December 10th, 2006 at 6:37 pmPretty little mess that the neocons have gotten us into, isn’t it?
Never was I for the war, but after we first bombed the physical infrastructure, then did not secure the ammo stockpiles (not enough forces under Garner), then dismantled any chance for any Iraqis with know how by de-Baathifying, tearing down any military, economic, political, or civil infrastructure under Bremer (by the way this was the BIGGEST bonehead move of all), it almost seems that the US owes the Iraqis something. If it were a crime, Bremer should be tried and hung for gross incompetence (of course maybe it was Wolfowitz , Rummy or Cheney himself behind this bull). What the Iraqis ended up with no work, no contracts for rebuilding (Mostly foreign rebuilding contracts) and no interest or stake in a common or united Iraq.
At this time, with sectarian interests outweighing any Iraqi nationalism on every front, I don’t know what in the world the US could do. I know that the recent report from the ISG is kind of a consensus laundry list that doesn’t really please anyone – left or right. Hell, maybe none of it will work at this point. Anyway, I am glad to see that there are rational people who still believe in diplomacy in the Republican party ( I didn’t think there were any left in 2002). People don’t understand dimplomacy, really, it is having influence and gathering information on a more open front. Embassies by location are valuble in assessing the word “on the street.” Neocons always put too much emphasis on Intelligence, when they are for the most part unsubstantiated whispers, theories, and whispers. NEED BALANCE with the overt (obvious), to keep the information grounded.
As for realisitc solutions, I know it was a stand up line form late night comedy last week, but it almost seems that the best solution is to let Saadam out of prison, give the Iraqi’s remuneration for all the trouble we caused and just get the hell out, may be the most responsible course of action.
Realistically, there is no way to stop the impending civil war. The people of Iraq and all of its neighbors are in for decades of horrid suffering, with carnage and refugees. It really is a shame. Too late!
The US was certainly not going to be happy with any “democracy” in Iraq, because it would be a Mulsim basically Shia state, or be divided into the three factions that it is naturally tending towards. Remember what happened to Yugoslavia without Tito? Same thing here. An oppressive secular strong man held them together. Now very have an incentive to keep a unified Iraq.
December 10th, 2006 at 6:49 pmAmen.
December 10th, 2006 at 7:21 pmI have come back from dinner, and I am pleased to see that angelina’s vile posts have been removed, and even more pleased to read some excellent comments.
December 10th, 2006 at 7:22 pmJuan has a thought process and Britt is a parrot. Billy is just special.
December 10th, 2006 at 7:43 pmWho listens to “three on one” each Sunday? Throwup!
If I had the power, I would send every single ProWar
December 10th, 2006 at 8:45 pmclown from Der Faux Propaganda Ministery, straight
to Iraq, with the same exact equipment our Troops
are required to suffer with, and put them into a real
Combat Unit. That is, If the Combat Unit would even
accept them. These swine are slow to understand the
simple fact, that the vast majority of the American
People hate Hume, and the rest of his gang of Liars.
We have listened to the straight up Lies, for 6 years
from that bunch of selfserving rabble, and the very
sound of their voice causes genuine nausea. The
fact that they haven’t changed their reactionary tone
since the Election disaster their good’ol boys recieved
from sane Americans, makes it clear, they are beyond
any redemption, whatsoever. They will never stop the
partisian lies, because they would be like a fish out
of water. FauxNews ratings are tanking across the
board, and the reason is as simple as the nose on
your face. That bunch are considered Traitors to the
Republic, by millions of Americans. To have a contrary
opinion is one thing. To downright lie and twist the
facts they way they do, is simply criminal, or should be.
BK – right on! Rather than stick some unlucky bastards with them, make them an autonomous unit.
December 10th, 2006 at 9:32 pmYou know, the 102nd Chickenhawk Brigade, with their bok bok flag flying proudly from each and every unarmored humvee.
Give them each 12 rounds of ammo, half a canteen of water and put them out on patrol in Ramadi. No map, no compass, no radio.
The stench of them shatting themselves will give them away in a heartbeat.
Kristol is from The Weekly Standard, not The National Review.
December 10th, 2006 at 9:50 pmBK – right on! Rather than stick some unlucky bastards with them, make them an autonomous unit.
Comment by RUCerious — December 10, 2006 @ 9:32 pm
Bush, Cheney and the gang should be there too.
December 10th, 2006 at 10:15 pm“MA – you shrill asshat – we are more concerned with the hundreds of thousands of Muslims that suffer at the hands of the Bush administration.” – Comment by Jules
*******Well of course you are, you phony! Muslims have killed more Muslims than the Bush administration ever thought of. You wouldn’t give two cents to save the a Muslim – unless it was his corpse available – and you could blame it on GWB…….
December 10th, 2006 at 11:16 pmFinally, somebody tells them at FOX “the way it really is.” If the building was on fire, these guys wouldn’t (and maybe couldn’t…that’s sick) believe you. They would sit there and fry to death, if anyone else not in their fold has a different opinion. Rescued by the progressive fireman, they would be dragged out kicking and screaming.
What? Give credit where credit is due to a progressive. NEVER! Even if they have to burn to death!!
These guys are sick to the point at maybe they need to let the media version of “Darwinism” catch up to them…their popularity is not that far behind the person and ideaology they continue to support.
FOX news, “fair and balanced” AND at 30%!
Advertisers are paying attention….
aegstuff in Seattle
December 10th, 2006 at 11:26 pm*cough* frigid *cough*
December 10th, 2006 at 11:40 pmThey can’t say it because they’re paid NOT to say it. They’re paid to LIE. No mystery there.
December 11th, 2006 at 12:12 amThey have dug up tens of thousands of dead Iraqis and Kurds in mass graves – so are we supposed to believe they were ALL Islamic extremists and not simply at odds with Saddam???
No, many were killed when Bush senior urged them to rise up and overthrow Saddam – and then watched as they were killed.
The “Powell Doctrine” is responsible for their deaths.
December 11th, 2006 at 12:26 am3104 – “No, many were killed when Bush senior urged them to rise up and overthrow Saddam – and then watched as they were killed.”
**********So, barfy, I guess YOU could say we did a good thing helping the Iraqis overthrow Saddam since you correctly point out they couldn’t get rid of him on their own…..Nah…..you wouldn’t say a “good” thing about our effort in Iraq if YOUR life depended on it……
December 11th, 2006 at 12:32 amWell, Juan, keep screaming because things are not going to get better -at least not in Afghanistan:
The conflict in Afghanistan has entered a dangerous phase, and the next three to six months could prove crucial in determining whether the United States and its NATO partners can suppress a revitalized enemy — or will be dragged into another drawn-out and costly fight with an Islamic insurgency, according to senior military and security officials and diplomats.[...]
On the other side of the fight, the Taliban has regained the strength to dominate large swaths of Afghanistan; government control is tenuous at best in at least 20% of the country, according to several Western diplomats and Afghan officials.
Afghanistan war nears ‘tipping point’
The Taliban is now in control of Afghanistan again.
Heckuvajob.
December 11th, 2006 at 12:36 amI appreciate Juan Williams for pointing out that Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, et al. were right about Iraq from the beginning. But these complaints come about four years too late. Where was Juan Williams to speak about these things back when it was politically unpopular to do so? Where was he when media talking heads such as himself might have made a difference by speaking the truth about Iraq? It seems to me that he’s found some courage only now that he’s got 70% of the electorate on his side.
December 11th, 2006 at 12:38 amSo, barfy, I guess YOU could say we did a good thing helping the Iraqis overthrow Saddam since you correctly point out they couldn’t get rid of him on their own…..Nah…..you wouldn’t say a “good†thing about our effort in Iraq if YOUR life depended on it……
Comment by mighty lawyerette
Thats right MA. They couldn’t get rid of him – after the weapons Bush let him keep were used against them.
All the deaths of that time were republicans responsibility as much as Saddam’s. And I don’t believe you’re frigid – men don’t get frigid . . .
What “good” things do you see? Internecine bloodshed? Wasted tax dollars? Installing a religious theocracy? What?
December 11th, 2006 at 12:44 amJim, Your skepticism about Juan is misplaced….He has been anti-GWB from the beginning of the resumption of war with Saddam…..BTW, you don’t “think” the media talking heads on BBC, PBS, CBS and the print-wonks at NYT, LAT etc. have had a wonderfully “progressive” impact on the electorate? But I do hope we get to see the “plan” Dems have for “victory”……Perhaps, Chairman Dean could scream the ideas just gushing from the idea vaults of the DNC……
Obama/Feingold ‘08!!
December 11th, 2006 at 12:51 amObama/Feingold ‘08!!
Gingrich/Brownback ‘08! The philanderer and the fundamentalist!
December 11th, 2006 at 12:56 am#105: Okay, so, if you think that it should be standard policy for the United States to overthrow brutal dictators that the people cannot overthrow themselves, why aren’t you clamoring for the U.S. overthrow of abusive regimes in Sudan, Belarus, Syria, Iran, Uzbekistan, India, and North Korea? Surely we would do some good, right? (By the way, I do think we have a moral responsibility to provide military support in Sudan.)
December 11th, 2006 at 1:02 am#109: He has been anti-GWB from the beginning of the resumption of war with Saddam
He certainly was quiet about it. Are you a mind-reader?
BTW, you don’t “think†the media talking heads on BBC, PBS, CBS and the print-wonks at NYT, LAT etc. have had a wonderfully “progressive†impact on the electorate?
No. I think that most of them were cheerleaders for Bush until things started going badly for him. These corporate news outlets care only about their own bottom line. Most of them (with the exception of Fox News) have no discernible party affiliation. The only way you could say that the news outlets have had a “progressive” impact on the electorate is to say that reporting the truth helps Democrats.
But I do hope we get to see the “plan†Dems have for “victory
Most people knowledgeable about the situation in Iraq believe that there are no good military options in Iraq. That’s why most Democrats (and a growing number of Republicans) support a plan for phased withdrawal.
Obama/Feingold ‘08!!
Sounds good to me.
December 11th, 2006 at 1:10 am#112: WHAT is the Dem PLAN for Iraq????
As I pointed out in my earlier post, most Democrats support a plan for phased withdrawal from Iraq.
Perhaps you could now explain the Republican plan for Iraq…
Somehow, they weren’t very good at articulating it BEFORE the election
That’s interesting, since many of the Democrats who won on Election Day ran on a plan of phased withdrawal. Any chance the problem isn’t so much that Democrats didn’t articulate their plan–and that your problem is your inability/unwillingness to actually listen to Democrats?
December 11th, 2006 at 1:15 amJuan, time to get up and throw the right cross!
I’m gonna knock you out.. Momma said “knock you out.” Why does anyone even watch Fox or listen to Limpballs anymore. Time for all of those freaking liars to go back to the holes they crawled outta or better yet to jail. If they don’t the it’s time to knock them the f-out!
December 11th, 2006 at 2:06 amJuan Williams,you`ll make a fine junior high school principal at Liberty University in your days after Fox I am sure.
December 11th, 2006 at 2:37 amWhat really burns my britches about the following story is the fact that “falafels” are grown and raised in the middle east.I really hate this entire administration,seriously.
When I read this story,what immediately came to mind was Bill O`Reilly talking “falafel filthy” on the phone with Macris,while this kind of thing goes on in Lebanon.A real “downer” image in my mind.A horror story.(Sorry about the rant,but when I saw the word “falafel”O`Reilly`s mug came to mind it made me want to just puke literally. )
I mean this is almost like a “behind the scenes” look at what Hitler`s Germany” really” was after all the facts were revealed.
How debased can one person get(O`Reilly).This can`t be the condition of our society as a whole these days can it?
Anyway,the story.
Gunmen kill three children of senior Palestinian intelligence officer in Gaza
By IBRAHIM BARZAK
GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) – Palestinian gunmen killed three young children of a senior Palestinian intelligence officer Monday in a drive-by shooting on a street crowded with hundreds of school children, an unprecedented attack that could ignite widespread factional fighting.
There was no immediate claim of responsibility. In the attack, the gunmen pumped dozens of bullets into a car carrying the children of intelligence officer Baha Balousheh, a loyalist of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah movement.
A decade ago, Balousheh was a lead interrogator in a crackdown on the now-ruling Islamic militant Hamas movement.
Three of Balousheh’s children, ranging in age from six to 10, were killed, in addition to their driver, hospital officials said. Four more people were wounded in the attack on Palestine Street, lined with nine schools. Baha Balousheh was not in the area.
As the shots rang out, children dropped to the ground or fled, screaming.
“I was walking with my young brother, Wael, who is 9, and we just crossed the street in order to take him to the school when shooting took place,” said 12-year-old Fadwa Nabulsi, still shaken by the bloody scene.
“We saw fire coming from one car. We started screaming and children started running. I was crying, and I lost Wael for about half an hour. Then I found him hiding in a felafel shop. I’m trying to find my father to take us back home,” she said.
Dozens of Palestinian police in the area where trying to calm the children and help them locate their parents. Hundreds of anxious parents rushed to Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital to get word on their children.
Gaza has been plagued by factional violence in the past, with dozens killed and hundreds wounded. However, Monday’s direct attack on children was unprecedented, and was likely to trigger widespread confrontations at a time when the lines between Hamas and Fatah have hardened.
Earlier this month, Abbas announced that talks on forming a unity government between Hamas and Fatah have broken down. Earlier this week, he raised the possibility of calling early elections, drawing angry protests by Hamas which said he does not have the authority to dissolve the Hamas-dominated parliament.
“How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right.â€
-Black Hawk (Sauk)
“Lose your temper and you lose a friend; lie and you lose yourself.â€
~Hopi ~
…… everything on the earth has a purpose, every disease an herb to cure it, and every person a mission. This is the Indian theory of existence.
-Mourning Dove (Salish) 1888-1936
The superior man… does not set his mind either for or against anything, he will pursue whatever is right. The superior man thinks of virtue, the common man of comfort.
~ Confucius ~
The man who removes a mountain begins by carrying a way small stones.
~ Chinese Proverb ~
Aerodynamically the bumblebee shouldn’t be able to fly, but the bumble bee doesn’t know it, so it goes on flying anyway.
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(May the Great Spirit walk with you)
December 11th, 2006 at 3:55 amWhat evidence do the Leahs of the world need? Why not examine the paper trail supplied by the Bush puppetmasters themselves?
Letter from PNAC to Bill Clinton, still posted on the PNAC web site, dated January 1998:
… “The policy of “containment†of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months… Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq’s chemical and biological weapons production… the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world’s supply of oil will all be put at hazard… The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy…. We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country. If we accept a course of weakness and drift, we put our interests and our future at risk.”
Letter to Gingrich and Lott, May 1998:
“U.S. policy should have as its explicit goal removing Saddam Hussein’s regime from power and establishing a peaceful and democratic Iraq in its place.”
The letter also said the following:
“The American people need to be made aware of the consequences of this capitulation to Saddam:
— We will have suffered an incalculable blow to American leadership and credibility; — We will have sustained a significant defeat in our worldwide efforts to limit the spread of weapons of mass destruction. Other nations seeking to arm themselves with such weapons will have learned that the U.S. lacks the resolve to resist their efforts;
[Ed. - GWB accomplished what Saddam could not achieve."]
— The administration will have unnecessarily put at risk U.S. troops in the Persian Gulf, who will be vulnerable to attack by biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons under Saddam Hussein’s control; — Our friends and allies in the Middle East and Europe will soon be subject to forms of intimidation by an Iraqi government bent on dominating the Middle East and its oil reserves; and
[Ed. - Again, GWB accomplished what Saddam could not achieve."]
— As a consequence of the administration’s failure, those nations living under the threat of Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction can be expected to adopt policies of accommodation toward Saddam. This could well make Saddam the driving force of Middle East politics, including on such important matters as the Middle East peace process.”
[Ed. - Even better, GWB policy has empowered Syria and Hezbullah, and created an empowered nuclear Iran. Well done!"]
In Sept 2001, after the 911 attacks, they sent a letter to Bush:
“It may be that the Iraqi government provided assistance in some form to the recent attack on the United States. But even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. Failure to undertake such an effort will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism.”
The same letter gives comparatively little attention to Osama bin Laden, the architect of the 911 attacks, stating that capturing OBL and his associates was “by no means the only goal“.
The body of the letter to Bush contained 780 words, of which 66 were spent on OBL. The other 92% focused on invading Iraq, countering Hezbollah, and growing the defense budget.
The letters are co-signed by the usual neocon crew: Kristol, Perle, Abrams, Wolfowitz, etc. The first two (pre-dating his employment as Secretary of Defense) were also signed by Donald Rumsfeld. Other key PNAC members include GWB cronies Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, and Jeb Bush.
Invading Iraq was the plan of favor 5 years before it happened, based on a false perception of the futility of containment and a false fantasy of the outcome of deposing Saddam. I don’t believe GWB was part of that plan – his brains don’t accommodate an ideology that deep and complex – but he proved the perfect puppet. 911 provided the perfect excuse for the fulfilment of this fascist wet dream because the American sheeple were itching for somebody’s ass to kick, to make them feel in control again. (But please spare me the conspiracy theories. A ludicrous concept on every level, and completely dissected in the current issue of Skeptic.)
And where was I before the war started? Saying exactly the same things. Not EVERYBODY was asleep at the switch. I presume many of the people on this blog would say the same thing.
However, to be fair to the sheeple, the circumstances (911 fear and trauma) and the manipulation (incredibly audacious lies from the Bush-empowered neocon war machine, provided a perfect opportunity for mass self-deception.
As we approach 2007, with all lies plainly exposed, and the bankruptcy of the neocon fantasy plainly revealed, surely there can no longer be any excuse to be drinking the koolaid, right?
Leah????
December 11th, 2006 at 4:13 amI do certainly hope so. The Gates hearings were that first chance to show us that, and they stood up like a wet noodle.
December 11th, 2006 at 5:50 amGroup Dynamics require some serious studies and R&D expenditure to be done. Work place can sometimes become so scary.
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December 11th, 2006 at 6:31 amThey have dug up tens of thousands of dead Iraqis and Kurds in mass graves – so are we supposed to believe they were ALL Islamic extremists and not simply at odds with Saddam??? Seeing as you think you know SOOOO much, what were the percentages of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds unearthed??
So speaketh the shapeshifting man/woman/jew/xtian/soldier/lawyer/bereaved parent Hermahprodote.
Seeing as YOU think you know so much, why don’t you tell me the percentage of those people who were killed by gas your buddy rumsfeld and reagan gave saddam?
Don’t be naive.. if you think we havent, and don’t still support dictators and tyrants who make Saddam’s crimes (pre and post Usa ivolvement) pale in comparison, your incredibly naive. Don’t pretend like you give 2 shiites about the iraqi people… you care because your puppetmasters told you to.
And don’t pretend like you think democracy is unequivocally a good thing either, unless you support the results of the election in places like Palestine…
Saddam was a mean nasty viscious SOB. But sometimes theres a time and a place for mean nasty SOB’s… if you are looking for a guard dog, are you going to go for a timid sweet poodle or a nasty, viscious pit bull?
December 11th, 2006 at 8:39 am[...] On Fox News Sunday, NPR host Juan Williams lets ubercons Brit “safer in Iraq than California” Hume and Bill “9/11 Happened Because Clinton Didn’t Authorize A Warrantless Domestic Spying Program” Kristol have it with both barrels. WILLIAMS: Squishy, impatient, you know, they’ll be in the land of milk and honey? What do you imagine, an American administration is coming in, Republican or Democrat, after President Bush that’s just going to lay down and run away like scared little — [...]
December 11th, 2006 at 9:19 amI hope Juan Williams has the privilege to herald the end of the neocons in their own megaphone. I may be in my sixties when it happens, but I can’t wait for these FOXSNOOZE cheerleaders–from Murdoch to Ailes all the way down–to be snapped up off the street and find themselves in a cell in the Hague awaiting world justice for their ravenous abuses of deceit, cover-up, blackout, spin and censorship under the guise the 1st Amendment that have arisen to the level of crimes against humanity in their affect on the America body politic and its foreign policy.
December 11th, 2006 at 10:11 am[...] As I watched FauxNews this Sunday I couldn’t help but to blurt, Juan, you’re my hero. Here’s what prompted my reaction, via ThinkProgress.com: [...]
December 11th, 2006 at 10:11 amI watch/listen to these shows out of a sick addiction for stupid and this little moment did cause me to perk up my ears and rouse me out of my usual zombie-like state caused by these bobble heads. Like others have said, I was waiting for Hume to pounce with a “hose you down” arrogant retort.
When can people the folks who slammed this invasion as a mistake in the beginning get on TV and just drown out these morons with, “we told you so?”
December 11th, 2006 at 11:43 amI’d rather be a surrender monkey than a stupid monkey. None of the current leaders of any Muslim nation are responsible for as many Muslim or American deaths as the current US president. And if we delve into history, more Muslims have been killed by Christians than by themselves. Christians have killed more Jews than Muslims have. Christians have killed more of themselves than Muslims and Jews combined. I fail to understand how previous atrocities justify the current catastrophe in Iraq.
There is nothing in the ISG or about the current state of Iraq that wasn’t predicted pre-invasion by people who were called armchair generals at best, anti-american terrorists at worst. They were 100% correct in their predictions. None of the predictions by the faith based chicken hawks in the white house or on FOX (or any of the American media for that matter) has turned out to be accurate. These same armchair generals, or surrender monkeys if you will, are saying there is no hope to salvage the damage we have done in Iraq by keeping troops there. I’m more inclined to believe them over the stupid monkeys running the show.
December 11th, 2006 at 12:02 pmI only watch Fx news Sunday on commercial break from George S.
December 11th, 2006 at 1:21 pmMost posters are right, Juan was only a spectator. Even when he spoke,
Hume & Kristoll had talking ‘rights’ & could interrupt at will.
I actually caught Juan’s rant.
It was great…Kristoll, little maggot that he is, sat like a toad, not knowing what to say.
Spume tried to intervene, but Juan kept going.
I think it was the best moment Fox has produced, to date.
FOX NEWS – Fairly Unbalanced
Juan does what the left always does when you are wrong and backed into a corner throw a hissy fit and act offended.
December 11th, 2006 at 2:35 pmRE: gnuorder qoute “None of the current leaders of any Muslim nation are responsible for as many Muslim or American deaths as the current US president. And if we delve into history, more Muslims have been killed by Christians than by themselves. Christians have killed more Jews than Muslims have. Christians have killed more of themselves than Muslims and Jews combined.”
Wrong, wrong, wrong this is simply a fairytale land if ignorance isn’t it?
December 11th, 2006 at 2:39 pmRe:127 / 128
December 11th, 2006 at 4:56 pmAnd Brit / Bill does what the right does when it’s been continually wrong and backed into a corner – pass the Kool-Aid and take a double – no facts here citizen, everything is going fine – We’re winning!! Why can’t the press ever write about all the positive things happening in Iraq – waaaaaaaaaahhhh. Joeslogic needs some serious work, as it is devoid of logic
It’s about time. I remember back in 2004 when he described Howard Dean’s Iraq policy as Cut and Run. Even when it wasn’t.
December 11th, 2006 at 5:52 pmBill Kristol is nothing but a war criminal, and he’ll get the same treatment at the hague that Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld will get. NJB in the same category as Goering and Goebbels….
December 11th, 2006 at 8:20 pmI’ve sensed for some time that Juan was about to implode. It’s difficult watching Brit Hume because he’s so pompous and self-righteous. When he’s addressing Juan it’s like he’s talking to a complete dolt, but really he’s speaking to everyone who may call themselves liberal or who disagrees with him. Good for Juan. I believe he restrained himself for as long as he could. Bill Kristol is also very conservative but he seems to be a little more respectful of opposing positions than that Brit Hume. Again, good for Juan!
December 11th, 2006 at 10:36 pmCheck out that fool William Krystol Meth, who at one time not long ago couldn’t believe the Sunnis and Shiites would ever be at each other’s throat and it was some kind of “pop psychology” that they didn’t get along, when they have been doing exactly that for CENTURIES. Now he brings up the fact that they are at each other’s throat as if he knew they would all along. He wants to see more troops and more war because he is some kind of evil war monger that just can’t get enough blood. Winning the war for him means Shia Death Squads will take over and join with Iran (Shiites) and kill all the Sunnis until Saudi Arabia (Sunnis) has to join in to stop them and then we can have a full fledged World War. He gets his cut from Halliburton and all these Neocons laugh all the way to the bank. I pray to Jesus, the NeoCon movement will have a stake driven through its heart and plenty of fresh sunlight to finish their movement once and forever….Amen.
December 12th, 2006 at 3:16 am[...] Juan Williams showed out on Fox News this past weekend and I don’t blame him. Since the inception of this war, Republicans dogged and cursed Democrats for not supporting the war. They ignored the Democrats who suggested that we have an exit strategy and set guidelines or else all would be lost. And now look at Iraq; it is on the verge of civil war, and hundreds of people are dying every month. Posted by nativeson Filed in News, Politics [...]
December 12th, 2006 at 7:23 amNow if only Colmes could get Hannity to resign, and get Williams in. Then that fair and balanced moniker wouldn’t be so full of shit.
December 12th, 2006 at 10:06 amJuan Williams has no room to complain. He sold his soul to Rupert Murdoch. He knew what Fox News was about. Why the outrage now?
December 12th, 2006 at 11:06 amI wonder who’s got the flight suit the Asshole Bush wore when he landed on the bird farm? How much would it fetch now on eBay?
December 12th, 2006 at 3:44 pmwe have secured for Iraqi’s what they were incapable of doing for themselves – ousting a tyrannical Saddam and electing a representative government. -mighty hermaphrodite
First of all… “we”?! are you freaking kidding me? Did I miss your deployment to Iraq mighty hermaphrodite?
Second of all… you gotta love “forced-democracy!” Something tells me you were too busy outing liberal teachers to listen in your civics classes.
And last but not least… if you really believe Iraq elected a “representative government,” I’ve got some ocean-front property in the Anbar province you might be interested in (just watch out for those “disgruntled” Sunnis- they’re not feeling too “represented” by Maliki and the boys;)
I love watching you flail as you realize your ship-of-dreams is really a ship of fools, Might Hermaphrodite.
December 12th, 2006 at 3:50 pmI never watch FOX because I am very aware of the power of propaganda. It is literally toxic and is without question the greatest threat to our Democracy today. I am still amazed at the miracle of November 7, 2006; victory by those who believe in truth. Victory despite the continual drumbeat management of information by FOX, CNN, NBC,ABC and nearly of the MSM owned and controlled by “powerful forces,” that phrase used many times by Al Gore in the 2000 election.
December 12th, 2006 at 4:35 pmThanks to Crooks&Liars, however, I did see the segment. So when Juan Williams, a man I used to greatly admire, spoke up and called Kristol and Hume the liars they are, I nearly collapsed. I pray Williams has found his soul and I pray that the Evil Karma those other bastards have spewed for years will finally be returned in kind.
Jeff
Valencia, CA
I BELIEVE IF WE AS A COUNTRY CONCENTRATED ON TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN FIRST WE WOULD NOT BE IN THE PREDICAMENT WE’RE IN NOW!!!!!OUR HOMELESS OUT-NUMBER THE ENTIRE POPULATION OF AN ENTIRE CITY IN IRAQ….DO WE CHOOSE TO HELP THEM OR DO WE CHOOSE TO GO OVERSEAS AND HELP AN ENTIRE DIFFERENT COUNTRY SCREW UP EVEN MORE THAN THEY ALREADY WERE????????I PROPOSE THAT MR HUME AND MS KRISTOL PUT ON THEIR UNIFORMS AND GO ON OVER AND SUPPORT THIS WAR ON A FIRST-HAND BASIS…..HOW LONG DO YOU BELIEVE THEY WOULD LAST OVER THERE AFTER HAVING A FEW BULLETS WHIZZ BY THEIR HEADS????WHO DO YOU BELIEVE WOULD BE THE FIRST TO PACK-UP AND RETURN HOME???????????????
January 14th, 2007 at 11:12 amOn Sunday’s show, Juan Williams seemed to be just saying what the Democrats are saying. He has been around long enough to know that terrorism is for real and if we don’t stop it now, it will come to this country. He continues to say the words the Democrats expound. I think that Juan’s words as the Democrats words are being used in the terrorist world to show that we will back down. That we (AMERICA) will not fight them to the death to save our freedom.
January 23rd, 2007 at 9:32 amJuan Williams is the only reason I watch Fox News.
February 25th, 2007 at 7:57 pmIs Saudi Prince a large stockholder in Fox News? And did the 19 hijackers come from Saudi? Do the Saudi control what we hear in the news in the United States?
February 25th, 2007 at 8:06 pmWhy You Can't Do Without A Car Audio Crossover
I’ve heard the question asked many times before, ‘Do I really need a crossover?’ Without wasting any time I quickly answer, ‘Yes you do’. Whether it’s a passive crossover or an active crossover, your car audio system will never sound good without…
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