Comments on: Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR) Calls Bush’s Iraq Policy a ‘Dereliction’ and ‘Deeply Immoral’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:57:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Steve Oberan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1510601 Steve Oberan Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:22:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1510601 We need to quickly and quietly encircle the city of Baghdad with Coalition forces and then send a major force of Iraqi with embedded advisors into the middle of the city to push outward cleaning out all possible problems. Have them work their way outward toward the perimeter forcing any insurgence's to the outside where they can be captured or eliminated. Once the mixed force reaches the outside then send them back to the center of the city where they started in a second sweep. Then direct the coalition forces on the outside to disperse to the boarders to prevent any further crossings. This should be the last stand and surge before turning it over to the Iraq forces and new government. The training wheels need to come off and now they can fish and we can stop feeding them and let them fish on their own. There is a 1000 year conflict in the middle East that will only be resolved when the leaders of each faction get serious about preaching unity not hate. People in each faction need to clean out the problem in their own house before they can all come together to make this work. The US military cannot and should not be required to do this! That is not our objective nor should we be used by those not willing to fight for what they want. Understanding there is a mix of different cultures and ideas combined with the planned insurgence's undermining any positive efforts by stirring the pot trying to thwart the cause of democracy the conflict only increases to bring about the demise of a new democracy. It is going to take a real leader and sacrifice but I believe the people who have tasted and seen the benefits of freedom will rise to the occasion. We can not cut and run we have to win our objective! We can not win a war of ideas and cultural differences that have been inflamed but the cunning and craftiness of those seeking to overthrow this new government by inciting one faction against the other. We can win a war of terrorism and stop the opposition to new direction in this part of the world only if they will decide they really want it and are willing to do what it takes to make it happen.. We need to quickly and quietly encircle the city of Baghdad with Coalition forces and then send a major force of Iraqi with embedded advisors into the middle of the city to push outward cleaning out all possible problems. Have them work their way outward toward the perimeter forcing any insurgence’s to the outside where they can be captured or eliminated. Once the mixed force reaches the outside then send them back to the center of the city where they started in a second sweep. Then direct the coalition forces on the outside to disperse to the boarders to prevent any further crossings. This should be the last stand and surge before turning it over to the Iraq forces and new government. The training wheels need to come off and now they can fish and we can stop feeding them and let them fish on their own.

There is a 1000 year conflict in the middle East that will only be resolved when the leaders of each faction get serious about preaching unity not hate. People in each faction need to clean out the problem in their own house before they can all come together to make this work. The US military cannot and should not be required to do this! That is not our objective nor should we be used by those not willing to fight for what they want. Understanding there is a mix of different cultures and ideas combined with the planned insurgence’s undermining any positive efforts by stirring the pot trying to thwart the cause of democracy the conflict only increases to bring about the demise of a new democracy. It is going to take a real leader and sacrifice but I believe the people who have tasted and seen the benefits of freedom will rise to the occasion.

We can not cut and run we have to win our objective! We can not win a war of ideas and cultural differences that have been inflamed but the cunning and craftiness of those seeking to overthrow this new government by inciting one faction against the other. We can win a war of terrorism and stop the opposition to new direction in this part of the world only if they will decide they really want it and are willing to do what it takes to make it happen..

]]> By: Steve Oberan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1510531 Steve Oberan Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:12:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1510531 We need to quickly and quietly encircle the city of Baghdad with Coalition forces and then send a major force of Iraqi and embedded advisors into the middle of the city to push outward to clean out all possible problems. Have them work their way outward toward the perimeter forcing any insurgence's to the outside where the they can be captured or eliminated. Once the mixed force reaches the outside then send them back to the center of the city where they started as a second sweep and then let the coalition forces on the outside disperse to the boarders to prevent any further crossings. This should be the last stand and surge before turning it over to the Irag forces and new government. The training wheels need to come off and now the can fish we can stop feeding them and let them fish on their own. There is a 1000 year conflict in the middle East that will only be resolved when the leaders of each faction preaches unity not hate. People in each faction need to clean out the problem in their own house before they can all come together to make this work. The US military cannot do that., that is not our objective nor should we be used by those not willing to fight for what they want.. Because there is a mix of difference cultures and ideas combined with the insurgence's undermining to efforts by stirring the pot trying to thwart the cause of democracy the conflict only increases to bring about the demise of a new democracy. It is going to take a real leader and sacrifice but I believe the people who have tasted and seen the benefits of freedom will rise to the occasion. We can not cut and run we have to win our objective! We can not win a war of ideas and cultural differences that have been inflamed but the cunning and craftiness of the those seeking to overthrow this new government by inciting one faction against the other. But we can win a war of terrorism and stop the opposition to new direction. We need to quickly and quietly encircle the city of Baghdad with Coalition forces and then send a major force of Iraqi and embedded advisors into the middle of the city to push outward to clean out all possible problems. Have them work their way outward toward the perimeter forcing any insurgence’s to the outside where the they can be captured or eliminated. Once the mixed force reaches the outside then send them back to the center of the city where they started as a second sweep and then let the coalition forces on the outside disperse to the boarders to prevent any further crossings. This should be the last stand and surge before turning it over to the Irag forces and new government. The training wheels need to come off and now the can fish we can stop feeding them and let them fish on their own.

There is a 1000 year conflict in the middle East that will only be resolved when the leaders of each faction preaches unity not hate. People in each faction need to clean out the problem in their own house before they can all come together to make this work. The US military cannot do that., that is not our objective nor should we be used by those not willing to fight for what they want.. Because there is a mix of difference cultures and ideas combined with the insurgence’s undermining to efforts by stirring the pot trying to thwart the cause of democracy the conflict only increases to bring about the demise of a new democracy. It is going to take a real leader and sacrifice but I believe the people who have tasted and seen the benefits of freedom will rise to the occasion.

We can not cut and run we have to win our objective! We can not win a war of ideas and cultural differences that have been inflamed but the cunning and craftiness of the those seeking to overthrow this new government by inciting one faction against the other. But we can win a war of terrorism and stop the opposition to new direction.

]]> By: Think Progress » Gordon Smith Calls Kennedy’s Iraq Escalation Bill ‘A Good Idea’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1416871 Think Progress » Gordon Smith Calls Kennedy’s Iraq Escalation Bill ‘A Good Idea’ Tue, 09 Jan 2007 22:14:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1416871 [...] Smith has called Bush’s Iraq policy “criminal,” a “dereliction,” and “deeply immoral.” [...] [...] Smith has called Bush’s Iraq policy “criminal,” a “dereliction,” and “deeply immoral.” [...]

]]> By: Think Progress » Snow Dismisses Gordon Smith’s Criticisms Of Iraq Policy, Says Senator Is Just Being ‘Emotional’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1258994 Think Progress » Snow Dismisses Gordon Smith’s Criticisms Of Iraq Policy, Says Senator Is Just Being ‘Emotional’ Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:23:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1258994 [...] Last week, Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR) — who originally supported the war in Iraq — delivered a scathing indictment of President Bush’s policy in Iraq, stating it “may even be criminal.” Yesterday on ABC This Week he called it a “dereliction” and “deeply immoral.” [...] [...] Last week, Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR) — who originally supported the war in Iraq — delivered a scathing indictment of President Bush’s policy in Iraq, stating it “may even be criminal.” Yesterday on ABC This Week he called it a “dereliction” and “deeply immoral.” [...]

]]> By: JMiller http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1258924 JMiller Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:03:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1258924 Oregon's federal politicians are all good at being politicians -- they either suck up to the majority or posture dramatically on a lost cause. Now that republicans aren't in the majority, I'm not worried about Smith sending his votes to sucking up to and with people I don't like. I expect that Smith will be voting rather better -- either joining the hopefully preferable new majority, or voting ineffectively with the minority -- in the run up to 2008. And so long as the democrats don't screw up the agenda, I'll be hard pressed to vote for a cloutless newbie as opposed to a nicely suppressed career politican. That's why we keep voting for the same almost-useless congress-critters every other year. It's why the republicans voted for Lieberman. Oregon’s federal politicians are all good at being politicians — they either suck up to the majority or posture dramatically on a lost cause. Now that republicans aren’t in the majority, I’m not worried about Smith sending his votes to sucking up to and with people I don’t like. I expect that Smith will be voting rather better — either joining the hopefully preferable new majority, or voting ineffectively with the minority — in the run up to 2008. And so long as the democrats don’t screw up the agenda, I’ll be hard pressed to vote for a cloutless newbie as opposed to a nicely suppressed career politican.

That’s why we keep voting for the same almost-useless congress-critters every other year. It’s why the republicans voted for Lieberman.

]]> By: Erroll http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1258261 Erroll Mon, 11 Dec 2006 17:16:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1258261 #95 "Whether a person feels strongly enough to violate an oath on ethical basis also includes whether they feel strongly enough to spend jail time." What a profund thought. Do you somehow think that those in the military, or those who had been in the military, are somehow not aware of this? Certainly Lt. Watada is, who has refused to deploy to Iraq because he correctly recognizes that the war in Iraq is illegal and unjust. Certainly people like former military personnel Kevin Benderman and Camilo Mejia are, since they have gone to jail for refusing to participate in an occupation that has inflicted atrocities upon the Iraqi people. Certainly those military personnel in the incredibly moving documentary Sir! No Sir! were aware of this, considering that hundreds of them had gone to jail for speaking out and refusing to participate in the war machine in a place called Vietnam. Though you believe that "the war is not a good enough reason" to speak out, thankfully there are others, whom I had earlier made reference to, who do believe that they have not only a right but a duty and an obligation to search their consciences and speak out against what they consider to be the illegal and imperialistic and unjust policies of the United States government. #95

“Whether a person feels strongly enough to violate an oath on ethical basis also includes whether they feel strongly enough to spend jail time.” What a profund thought. Do you somehow think that those in the military, or those who had been in the military, are somehow not aware of this? Certainly Lt. Watada is, who has refused to deploy to Iraq because he correctly recognizes that the war in Iraq is illegal and unjust. Certainly people like former military personnel Kevin Benderman and Camilo Mejia are, since they have gone to jail for refusing to participate in an occupation that has inflicted atrocities upon the Iraqi people. Certainly those military personnel in the incredibly moving documentary Sir! No Sir! were aware of this, considering that hundreds of them had gone to jail for speaking out and refusing to participate in the war machine in a place called Vietnam.

Though you believe that “the war is not a good enough reason” to speak out, thankfully there are others, whom I had earlier made reference to, who do believe that they have not only a right but a duty and an obligation to search their consciences and speak out against what they consider to be the illegal and imperialistic and unjust policies of the United States government.

]]> By: robert http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1257672 robert Mon, 11 Dec 2006 13:16:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1257672 Chuck Butcher, Thanks for your post. Chuck Butcher,

Thanks for your post.

]]> By: VJ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1257587 VJ Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:04:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1257587 Robert, in #62, wrote: "I am well aware that we went to Kosovo under NATO treaties. I am also aware that we went to Iraq with 41 other nations that had access to the same information as the US." Yes, they all had the same information that Iraq was not a threat, which is why there was no authorization for military force provided in UN Resolution 1441. . Robert, in #62, wrote:

“I am well aware that we went to Kosovo under NATO treaties. I am also aware that we went to Iraq with 41 other nations that had access to the same information as the US.”

Yes, they all had the same information that Iraq was not a threat, which is why there was no authorization for military force provided in UN Resolution 1441.
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]]> By: Rajeev Vashisht http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1257586 Rajeev Vashisht Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:04:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1257586 Any thing can be expected off politicians, some one may say Bush should be proscecuted for war crimes, just like Saddam. If decisions are not taken, work doesn't get done. Decisions may be wrong but being the president of US ander oath should give the president immunity. Any thing can be expected off politicians, some one may say Bush should be proscecuted for war crimes, just like Saddam. If decisions are not taken, work doesn’t get done. Decisions may be wrong but being the president of US ander oath should give the president immunity.

]]> By: Jericho http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1257415 Jericho Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:06:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1257415 Let’s at least fight the war on terror in a way that makes sense... That war started in 2001. If you didn't know, 2006 is almost behind us. Republicans have had 6 years in office to make sense, nothing sensible has happened. That makes Smith a hell of a lot too late, mkay. Most evil is not done by bad people, most evil is done by good people who do nothing, and Smith did nothing for 5 loooong years. They will seem even longer burning in hell. Let’s at least fight the war on terror in a way that makes sense… That war started in 2001. If you didn’t know, 2006 is almost behind us. Republicans have had 6 years in office to make sense, nothing sensible has happened. That makes Smith a hell of a lot too late, mkay. Most evil is not done by bad people, most evil is done by good people who do nothing, and Smith did nothing for 5 loooong years. They will seem even longer burning in hell.

]]> By: Chuck Butcher http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1257245 Chuck Butcher Mon, 11 Dec 2006 09:19:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1257245 As a soldier Robert is not permitted to make policy decisions and still fulfill his oath. Whether a person feels strongly enough to violate an oath on ethical basis also includes whether they feel strongly enough to spend jail time. Yes, there is such a thing as Illegal Orders, but they have nothing to do with what Congress and BushCo got up to regarding a soldier's decisions. Being in disagreement with George II's war is not a good enough reason for me to advocate the breaking of the bond between soldiers, a bond that is of utmost importance to anyone in combat. I have opposed GWB from the time he brought up his war, but that has never been a good enough reason to increase the risk to our soldiers, particularly by dissent in the ranks. As a soldier Robert is not permitted to make policy decisions and still fulfill his oath. Whether a person feels strongly enough to violate an oath on ethical basis also includes whether they feel strongly enough to spend jail time. Yes, there is such a thing as Illegal Orders, but they have nothing to do with what Congress and BushCo got up to regarding a soldier’s decisions.

Being in disagreement with George II’s war is not a good enough reason for me to advocate the breaking of the bond between soldiers, a bond that is of utmost importance to anyone in combat. I have opposed GWB from the time he brought up his war, but that has never been a good enough reason to increase the risk to our soldiers, particularly by dissent in the ranks.

]]> By: The Trucker Pundit http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1257197 The Trucker Pundit Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:57:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1257197 <strong>When is these here formerly Republican lawmakers gonna realize that they's screwin' theyselves by speakin' out against Preznit Bush Jr.? No doubt this Senator Gourd-head thinks he's just voicin' the frustration of his cornstitchewunts. But the fact is, he's just puttin' his own bacon on the griddle. When Preznit Bush Jr. declares martial law in February -- or maybe April -- turncoats like Gourdy ain't gonna have a seat at the table! They's gonna have a cot at Gitmo!</strong> When is these here formerly Republican lawmakers gonna realize that they’s screwin’ theyselves by speakin’ out against Preznit Bush Jr.? No doubt this Senator Gourd-head thinks he’s just voicin’ the frustration of his cornstitchewunts. But the fact is, he’s just puttin’ his own bacon on the griddle. When Preznit Bush Jr. declares martial law in February — or maybe April — turncoats like Gourdy ain’t gonna have a seat at the table! They’s gonna have a cot at Gitmo!

]]> By: The Virginia Progressive » Elections Have Consequences http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1257093 The Virginia Progressive » Elections Have Consequences Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:04:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1257093 [...] If you’re like to hear more from Senator Smith, ThinkProgress has video from his appearance with George Stephanopoulos, in which he seems to be genuinely pissed off about what’s going on in Iraq.   [...] [...] If you’re like to hear more from Senator Smith, ThinkProgress has video from his appearance with George Stephanopoulos, in which he seems to be genuinely pissed off about what’s going on in Iraq.   [...]

]]> By: Briseadh na Faire http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1256351 Briseadh na Faire Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:45:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1256351 91- Republican Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopoly - EXCELLENT post. 91- Republican Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopoly –

EXCELLENT post.

]]> By: Republican Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopoly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1256269 Republican Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopoly Mon, 11 Dec 2006 01:05:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1256269 strong>re:#89 Exceptions to Jesus' teachings “Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.”: Ex 20:13 Dt 5:17 <em>Read Corinthians and Leviticus where exceptions are outlined Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 6:22 pm</em> Are those the words of Jesus? Did Jesus make the exception which allows killing? Next time post the exact verse. Anyway, how convenient. According to your logic, Christians might as well go back to strictly following the old testament which advocates killing, rape, & genocide. Here's some classic examples of old testament values and the special benefits awarded to the soldiers. <strong>Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)</strong> "They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil." (Judges 5:30 NAB) <strong>More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)</strong> "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you." What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery? <strong>Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)</strong> "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God. <strong>Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)</strong> "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." Once again God approves of forcible rape. strong>re:#89 Exceptions to Jesus’ teachings

“Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.”:
Ex 20:13 Dt 5:17

Read Corinthians and Leviticus where exceptions are outlined

Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 6:22 pm

Are those the words of Jesus? Did Jesus make the exception which allows killing? Next time post the exact verse. Anyway, how convenient. According to your logic, Christians might as well go back to strictly following the old testament which advocates killing, rape, & genocide.

Here’s some classic examples of old testament values and the special benefits awarded to the soldiers.

Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)

“They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil.” (Judges 5:30 NAB)

More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

“As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.”

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

“If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.”

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

]]> By: CoffinsDrapedWithFlags http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1256104 CoffinsDrapedWithFlags Mon, 11 Dec 2006 00:12:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1256104 <i># I have taken the stand that I can not make negative comments about a sitting President. I take that stand because it is a LEGAL issue for me. As anyone familiar with the UCMJ can tell you, that is Disrespect towards a Superior Officer (Art 89). Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 12:19 pm </i> Well, it that's what you believe, Robert, then I guess you must have never made negative comments about President Clinton when he was a sitting president. #

I have taken the stand that I can not make negative comments about a sitting President. I take that stand because it is a LEGAL issue for me. As anyone familiar with the UCMJ can tell you, that is Disrespect towards a Superior Officer (Art 89).

Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 12:19 pm

Well, it that’s what you believe, Robert, then I guess you must have never made negative comments about President Clinton when he was a sitting president.

]]> By: robert http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1255991 robert Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:22:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1255991 Read Corinthians and Leviticus where exceptions are outlined Read Corinthians and Leviticus where exceptions are outlined

]]> By: Republican Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopoly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1255695 Republican Corporate Oil & War Machine Monopoly Sun, 10 Dec 2006 22:08:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1255695 <strong>#73 Prisons full of so called Christians</strong> <em>Maybe I should be a lawless, Athiest, unemployed slacker that contributes nothing to society. Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 3:01 pm</em> Ironically, the prisons are full of self proclaimed "Christians." Its easy to claim to be a Christian, but to actually be "Christ-like" which is the point of being Christian, is an entirely different matter. It is for example, unChrist-like or Anti-Christ-like to kill anyone for any reason. Christ specifically addressed this issue. "Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.": Ex 20:13 Dt 5:17 This doesn't mean its ok to kill on odd numbered days or weekends. Anyone who kills is Anti-Christ like, period. #73 Prisons full of so called Christians

Maybe I should be a lawless, Athiest, unemployed slacker that contributes nothing to society.

Comment by robert — December 10, 2006 @ 3:01 pm

Ironically, the prisons are full of self proclaimed “Christians.”

Its easy to claim to be a Christian, but to actually be “Christ-like” which is the point of being Christian, is an entirely different matter. It is for example, unChrist-like or Anti-Christ-like to kill anyone for any reason. Christ specifically addressed this issue.

“Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.”:
Ex 20:13 Dt 5:17

This doesn’t mean its ok to kill on odd numbered days or weekends. Anyone who kills is Anti-Christ like, period.

]]> By: liberal Texas Democrat http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1255590 liberal Texas Democrat Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:22:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1255590 Impeach Bush! Impeach Bush!

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/comment-page-2/#comment-1255583 Zooey Sun, 10 Dec 2006 21:19:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/10/smith-iraq-immoral/#comment-1255583 Happy Birthday, unbelievable!! You look fabulous!! Not a day over 40! :-D Happy Birthday, unbelievable!!

You look fabulous!! Not a day over 40! :-D

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