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ThinkFast: December 11, 2006

By Think Progress on Dec 11th, 2006 at 9:01 am

ThinkFast: December 11, 2006


In a farewell speech on U.S. soil today, retiring U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan “plans to deliver a tough critique of President Bush’s policies,” accusing the administration of “dominating other nations through force, committing what he termed human rights abuses and taking military action without broad international support.”

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld made a surprise trip to Iraq yesterday “to thank US troops for their service.” On “all of his 14 previous trips to Iraq…Rumsfeld has taken reporters who cover him regularly at the Pentagon.” But on this trip, Fox News host Sean Hannity was the only member of the media allowed to accompany Rumsfeld.

Administration officials say their preliminary review of the Iraq Study Group report “has concluded that many of its key proposals are impractical or unrealistic, and a small group inside the National Security Council is now racing to come up with alternatives to the panel’s ideas.”

Outgoing U.N. ambassador John Bolton will return to the conservative American Enterprise Institute to speak, consult and “replenish the coffers after six years of public service.”

“Major partners in Iraq’s governing coalition are in behind-the-scenes talks to oust Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki amid discontent over his failure to quell raging violence, according to lawmakers involved.”

Poverty, violence and discrimination assault women worldwide and undermine their children’s futures,” concludes a new report by UNICEF. More than one out of every four births to an adolescent mother occurs in the least developed countries and between 15 and 71 percent of women have “experienced physical or sexual assault from an intimate partner.”

“Iraq is failing to spend billions of dollars of oil revenues that have been set aside to rebuild its damaged roads, schools and power stations and to repair refineries and pipelines.” Iraq’s ministries “are spending as little as 15 percent of the 2006 capital budgets they received for the rebuilding.”

Former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), “a Republican whose once-steady rise in politics ended with a resounding defeat” in November to Bob Casey, “refused to be photographed with Mr. Casey [after their meeting Friday], and brushed past reporters in his closing days in the Capitol.”

And finally: Actress Fran Drescher, who has been lobbying for a gynecological health care bill, last week “offered herself as a reward to Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.).” In an e-mail to Senate staffers, Drescher wrote, “I promise Sen. Coburn that if this bill passes WE will forge an alliance and put HPV, Uterine and Ovarian Cancers in a major spotlight in a way that ONLY a high profile celebrity can do. … Don’t clip my wings. Together we can soar to the heavens. … Go get ‘em tigers!”

What did we miss? Let us know in the comments section.



74 Responses to “ThinkFast: December 11, 2006”

  1. barfly says:

    Outgoing U.N. ambassador John Bolton will return to the conservative American Enterprise Institute to speak, consult and “replenish the coffers after six years of public service.”

    Back to the wingnut welfare line.


  2. squegeeboo says:

    Fox News host Sean Hannity was the only member of the media
    Isn’t that like calling Oprah a member of the Media?

    between 15 and 71 percent of women
    Isn’t that a bit much for a range?


  3. James says:

    Extreme Generosity is the only way to bring peace to the middle east.


  4. Marie says:

    Dr. Phil emceed “Christmas in Washington” with George and Laura.
    I wonder if he was able to apply any of his pop psychology to George.


  5. MrTimPA says:

    Hannity in Iraq – OMG – Fox News is going to milk this one to the hilt. I can’t wait for the Happy Iraqi stories.. (not)


  6. barfly says:

    Andrew H. Card Jr., the president’s chief of staff until last spring, said that whatever Mr. Bush did in Iraq would probably fall short of many of the commission’s recommendations, and that he was likely to continue making decisions that he believed were right even if unpopular. Referring to Mr. Bush’s secret intelligence briefings, Mr. Card said, “The president by definition knows more than any of those people who are serving on these panels.”

    And that’s been the ticket to our “success” in Iraq; Bush’s “secret intelligence briefings” are used to buttress a failed policy. Though he might be given a fuller picture of the situation, he’ll only use the info to try and save his historical legacy, such as it is. At this point, he cares for little else.


  7. TripMaster Monkey says:

    In a farewell speech on U.S. soil today, retiring U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan “plans to deliver a tough critique of President Bush’s policies,” accusing the administration of “dominating other nations through force, committing what he termed human rights abuses and taking military action without broad international support.”

    How long before the rest of the world is finally fed up with us, and decides to take action?

    If they do, will the combined might of the rest of the world be sufficient to defeat the last world superpower?

    And if they are successful, how will we, the common citizens of this rogue state, who allowed this psychotic chimpanzee and his cadre of thugs to terrorize the rest of the world, be dealt with?


  8. veritas says:

    Let’s get these worn-out, hypocritcal “has beens” (Rummy and Bolton) out of the picture and quick. I’m tired of seeing their smutty faces on the television screen. They screwed up and it’s away with them already! The people are repulsed with their being paraded around like heroes….and the insult to the troops with Rummy paying them a surprise visit….what the heck? He could care less for them during his tenure so why bother parading around now?? He’s a joke and a farce…just like most of the administration. Time to give the troops what they really need….a ticket home and a new commander in chef! (hahaha…pun intended!).


  9. Juan C says:

    Pinochet is dead.
    Lets all have a big chilean glassof wine. Salud!


  10. veritas says:

    Can’t wait to see the Pres’s numbers next week! The national prediction is that when he reaches his nadir of 28% overall, it will be ‘IMPEACHMENT TIME’….only two percentage points to go!


  11. dlet says:

    Pinochet is dead.
    Lets all have a big chilean glassof wine. Salud!

    Comment by Juan C

    Sad that the US chooses to back the likes of Pinochet, Saddam, etc. all for what? When you act like an bullish a$$ on the world stage, we should expect to treated as one. Being good does not mean being weak.


  12. revenuer says:

    “The news that SecDef Rumsfeld’s double super secret surprise farewell tour of Iraq was being taken without any press accompanying him was not contradicted by the news that Sean Hannity was on the plane with him. ”

    Marty Kaplan @ HuffPo this AM.


  13. Briseadh na Faire says:


    In his speech, Annan refers to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. When “military force is used, the world at large will consider it legitimate only when convinced that it is being used for the right purpose … in accordance with broadly accepted norms.”

    The speech continues that “governments must be accountable for their actions in the international arena, as well as in the domestic one.”

    The speech, to be delivered at the Harry Truman presidential library in Independence, Mo., contrasts Truman’s support for the United Nations with the Bush administration’s unilateral actions.

    Now wait, didn’t Bush compare himself to Truman just the other day?

    Annan is criticizing the U.S. for implementing the goals of the PNAC. Imperialism through military force has never worked in the long run. Those empires which have done so have inevitably collapsed and never regained their former stature.


  14. VerbalKint says:

    The idea of having an independent commission advise Bush is absurd (not that the Baker commission was independent, mind you). This jerk isn’t going to take advice from anyone but his inner circle of sycophants or Dick Cheney. Indeed, I expect him to act out in reaction to the ISG, and he is already beginning to do so. He is pathologically immature. He is a recidivist punk. He is a total failure as a human being.

    Speaking of failed human beings, it is comical to watch the Neocons bluster and rage in opposition to the ISG report. Old schoolers like Jim Baker haven’t been getting it, so the spittle-laced Neocons in charge of WSJ and Faux are trying their damnedest to make sure they do. It is pathetic to watch these deadenders in their last throes.


  15. Dumb_Fox says:

    #14 – He did. I wish someone had asked Dubya if he had the same sign on his desk…


  16. Briseadh na Faire says:


    Referring to Mr. Bush’s secret intelligence briefings, Mr. Card said, “The president by definition knows more than any of those people who are serving on these panels.”

    Comment by barfly — December 11, 2006 @ 9:20 am

    By definition? So if the President is an imbicile, he still knows more than anyone, by definition…because he’s the President?

    The unspoken implication here is that the taxpayers just paid for a high-level commission study of a war (and borrowed money to do it) and refused to give the commission all the information necessary to properly complete its task.

    If secret intelligence was to be kept from the commission rendering its findings worthless, why the heck was the commission formed in the first place?

    How much money was just wasted on this fruitless endevour?

    How many more young women and men are we going to sacrifice to Bush’s War?

    How many more worthless studies and commissions are we going to have before we decide too many of our children have died to fill the coffers of the War Profiteers?


  17. Juan C says:

    Kofi Annan “plans to deliver a tough critique of President Bush’s policies,” accusing the administration of “dominating other nations through force, committing what he termed human rights abuses and taking military action without broad international support.”

    I would like to propose something, Kofi Annan. Move the UN´s headquarters out of New York, put them in the Gaza strip or Darfur or some other god forsaken´s land and be more aggresive against imperialist countries.


  18. katy says:

    it’s hard to imagine how they COULDN’T be… but what to do?…

    Koreans wise up to Pyongyang propaganda

    WITH the stalled six-party talks on North Korea due to start as early as this weekend, a report shows that people in the isolated communist state are increasingly aware of their plight.
    …http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/koreans-wise-up-to-pyongyang-propaganda/2006/12/11/1165685616259.html

    check out the picture with this story… (the one on the right, squeegee)
    http://www.alaskareport.com/z45024.htm
    .


  19. Juan C says:

    Sad that the US chooses to back the likes of Pinochet, Saddam, etc. all for what?
    Comment by dlet

    If a non-capitalist country improves the quality of life of its citizens, builds hospitals, erradicates deseases, invest in education and take its national resources for its citizens, that means a threat to US interests.


  20. katy says:

    some headlines:

    Crowds adore Obama -Los Angeles Times
    Rapturous reception for Obama -Concord Monitor
    Obama’s star power shows on N.H. visit -Boston Globe

    while his “hometown” paper is more restrained:
    NH crowds warm to Obama -Chicago Tribune

    i hear hillary is getting worried about all this attention… hmm…


  21. Dumb_Fox says:

    #6, #20 - “The president by definition knows more than any of those people who are serving on these panels.”

    Didn’t you hear? God speaks to Dubya. ‘Splains everything.


  22. dlet says:

    i hear hillary is getting worried about all this attention… hmm…

    Comment by katy

    I am glad that Hillary has decided to be out in the front this early. Only gives her more time to drop. Personally I don’t think she is good presidential material. Too much baggage and if you can tell me what her stances are on improtant issues I would be obliged. I don’t hate her but I wouldn’t want her as president.


  23. cynicalgirl says:

    More government evesdropping…

    http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-10/1165815713294600.xml&coll=1

    They can listen to you via the mike in your cellphone, even if it’s turned off.


  24. tarazan says:

    Was the offer made also to Ann Coulter to go to Iraq? May be with her charm , well known diplomacy and skinny legs can sway Muqtada Al Sader to change his mind and drop his gun.


  25. katy says:

    about the fran drescher story… first of all, good for her!
    but, for those with young daughters who have checked out the new vaccine for HPV, get ready to be astounded…

    the cost is relatively prohibitive… unless you have prescription coverage with your insurance… this, to me, is another example of discriminating against the ‘have-nots’…

    each dose – and it’s a 3 dose course – is at least $200… $200 !!!!!!
    i was floored… but my daughter is covered under her dad’s plan, so she only has to pay the $20 co-pay, if it’s an ‘in network’ provider…
    ‘out of network’ will be covered at 60%, AFTER $500 deductible…

    outrageous!


  26. katy says:

    Dr. Phil emceed “Christmas in Washington” with George and Laura.
    I wonder if he was able to apply any of his pop psychology to George.
    Comment by Marie — December 11, 2006 @ 9:11 am

    that one time alone should be a book’s worth!


  27. katy says:

    Marty Kaplan @ HuffPo this AM.
    Comment by revenuer — December 11, 2006 @ 9:37 am

    that was great! … i miss kaplan’s show on AirAmericaRadio…


  28. kevin99999 says:

    “But on this trip, Fox News host Sean Hannity was the only member of the media allowed to accompany Rumsfeld.”

    In other words, no media was allowed.


  29. katy says:

    I don’t hate her but I wouldn’t want her as president.
    Comment by dlet — December 11, 2006 @ 10:08 am

    agreed.


  30. theswan says:

    Now let’s see how Sean can spin “anything but victory is unacceptable”. Imagine such a statement, heaping the responsibillity for his total failures upon his troops prior to his departure?
    He better return to reading fictional military material where the stakes are not so high.
    And, Mr. Annan’s speach comes not too soon. I hope Kofi heaps it so high that he buries the administration in their own greed and lust for their subhuman policies.
    Today’s “thinkfast” is one statement after another taking down the policies of the last six years. Kofi will have no problem adding to the list.


  31. robert says:

    #31, Comment by katy

    $200 !!!!! I agree, that is outragous. I wonder of that could be covered under that program that Montel Williams supports? Just curious.

    It is outragous that they can charge that much for medication that could potentially save a womans life.


  32. Zimzone says:

    Great.
    Now Sean Insannity will be spouting how he’s seen the future of Iraq with his own eyes, & the librul media won’t report it.
    Mr. Insannity, Iraqis don’t live inside the green zone. Americans do.
    Let’s all hope this piece of shit’s radio / TV career ended with the Grand Old Pedophiles’ reign in Congress.


  33. the fly-man says:

    Now when Mr. Rumsfeld returns to his nice little safe house over on the Eastern Shore he has airspace protection thanks to being neighbors with the Vice President, how convenient. What a waste of taxpayers dollars.


  34. hellinabucket says:

    38. We’ll just have to remind mr. hannity of the ISG report stating when only 93 acts of violence were “officially” reported there were actually over 1100 for a single day. How can that be the liberal media?


  35. Zimzone says:

    #40, good point.
    I’d like to know if the American taxpayer is paying for Insannity’s trip.
    Anybody else?
    How do we find out?
    Personally, I’d pay for it myself if they leave Insannity in Baghdad…outside the green zone.


  36. dlet says:

    Can wh have Rummy stay in Iraq until the last serviceman has left. He can turn out the lights at the base.


  37. hellinabucket says:

    41. What’s the common practice for other journalists? I’m sure there has been times when a flight is already going over there and the WH wants the media so they hitch a ride but here’s a case where only one media outlet ( I can’t call it news) is requested.

    Here’s a question for Fox. How can this be “Fair and Balanced” when only one person is going to get this information?


  38. impeachcheneythenbush says:

    It’s very interesting that Bush has met with the two individuals who will be the major players of the “new” government in Iraq once Maliki is replaced. This, of course, after the conjunction of the Steven Hadley memo plus Bush’s visit with Maliki in Jordan declaring complete support for him. (Oh yes, and Rumsfeld would remain SecDef through the remainder of Bush’s term (who fired him two days later). Interesting definition of “democracy” and “sovereignty” demonstrated by the U.S. But of course, the Bush administration isn’t the only one in U.S. history to constantly interfere politically in other nations. Examples would be assisting in the overthrow of democratically elected leaders and helping to install a right-wing dictator in Chili (Pinchoet) and Iran (the Shah). The major difference here is that we have troops on the ground in Iraq dying (in the supposed name of democracy) while the U.S. undermines it until they’ve managed to install a complete puppet government there.


  39. katy says:

    It is outragous that they can charge that much for medication that could potentially save a womans life.
    Comment by robert — December 11, 2006 @ 10:44 am

    and that’s PER DOSE… x 3 … it is a new drug, but still…

    when my daughter checked about this with the campus health clinic, she was told that insurance cos were covering the vaccines because it is cheaper to do that now than cover the cancer later… makes sense…
    but, still…


  40. RUCerious says:

    a small group inside the National Security Council is now racing to come up with alternatives to the panel’s ideas.”
    Yeah, Dick and Karl are hard at work planning the smear and fear campaign for the ISG fellows.


  41. Zooey says:

    Outgoing U.N. ambassador John Bolton will return to the conservative American Enterprise Institute to speak, consult and “replenish the coffers after six years of public service.”

    Hmmmm, how is Bolton going to replenish the coffers…..? Anyone?

    Heh.


  42. Swordsbane says:

    Administration officials say their preliminary review of the Iraq Study Group report “has concluded that many of its key proposals are impractical or unrealistic,

    Um.. wasn’t it the job of the ISG to decide what was impractical and unrealistic and what was doable and rational? But we’ll take the word for that from the very people who haven’t been able to get control of the situation in four years?

    Nice.


  43. Zooey says:

    Administration officials say their preliminary review of the Iraq Study Group report “has concluded that many of its key proposals are impractical or unrealistic, and a small group inside the National Security Council is now racing to come up with alternatives to the panel’s ideas.”

    Oh give it a rest…

    What a waste of time and money.


  44. Jake says:

    “Major partners in Iraq’s governing coalition are in behind-the-scenes talks to oust Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki amid discontent over his failure to quell raging violence, according to lawmakers involved.”

    Too bad we don’t have enough partners in our own government to oust Bush for the same thing.


  45. RUCerious says:

    Z – going on the rubber chicken lecture circuit, telling all about the travails of the “evil UN”!


  46. Raven says:

    #47…
    Maybe “replenish the coffers” contains a typo…..correction:
    “replenish the coffins”……


  47. Zooey says:

    Z – you keep talkin about the rides, but I don’t see anyone, I mean ANYONE, buyin the tickets.
    Comment by RUCerious

    You know how these GUYS are, everything is so secret…


  48. Sharon Cox says:

    Good Morning all, Head’s up, bull shit bush is going to speak on CNN. “Speak” bush.. Woof!……Incoming..troll alert level low…..We won they lost, ROTFL…Blessinga all..


  49. Democrat Soldier says:

    #54 – “Of course you people can kiss-a$$ with France, Germany and the rest of the corruption.”

    Since when did we kiss-a$$ with all the Republicans in Congress?

    Oops! There’s fewer of the corrupt Republicans in the House and Senate now! I guess America is waking up to the entrenched corruption in the Republican party.


  50. Zooey says:

    Good morning, Sharon. Thanks for the warning, I’ll leave the TV off. If you can stomach it, let us know what he spews. :P


  51. VerbalKint says:

    Incoming..troll alert level low…..
    Comment by Sharon Cox — December 11, 2006 @ 11:51 am

    The trolls rarely show up before noon, because they don’t get the daily talking points until then.


  52. Zooey says:

    Sharon,

    “The way forward.” Any estimate on how many times he said it? :)


  53. WC says:

    Re: Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 11, 2006 @ 9:49 am

    The fact that we even find it necessary to have such a commission is in itself a joke, in my opinion. It should be very revealing to every American who bothers to keep up with what goes on in this country and the world.

    As voters, we expect our leaders to have the capacity and the understanding and the ability to carry out any battles or wars that are fought (whether by necessity or, in this unfortunate case, choice). We expect the president, whether newly elected or after years in office, whether Democrat or Republican or Independent or Libertarian, to select the people for his administration who will be the brightest and the best. We may not agree with their politics, but the goals should be the same: plan, fight, and win the war.

    But the problem with our current situation is not, I think, a lack of intelligence or a lack of bright people in government. This was a war of choice, and even though that was the case, as commander-in-chief it was up to Bush to demand a plan for victory. But that’s not what he wanted. The United States’ position in Iraq is exactly right where he wants us. That’s why we heard “stay the course” for so long. But there is a thorn in his side, and that is the growing number of Americans who have had enough of Bush and is little adventure. We have seen evidence that Rummy didn’t want to hear anyone mention a post-invasion plan. And as we’ve seen in the days since the ISG’s release of its report, Bush doesn’t seem to be in the mood to give much ground.

    As others have pointed out, Bush couldn’t even run a baseball team. We expect him to run a country?


  54. Sharon Cox says:

    Back at ya Zooey,…..Said it twice in a row, back to back…The new’s comentator and I both picked up on it….He said (reporter) the same time I was thinking it it was the new phrase to replace ” stay the course”…..Short speech, almost incoherent, jumbled as usual and vague, no questions…I was wondering who the hell is running for election now…..It is obvious he will not do any of the praposed thing’s in the stupid report. It was obsolite upon arrival as far as I can tell…My plan, get our troop’s out of there at this moment. Should not of done this madness in the first place….Stupid SOB’S all. Thing’s would be very diffrent if any polaticians had family over there, that should be a mandatory requirement of damn war’s…Blessings


  55. Zooey says:

    Thanks, Sharon. Great wisdom, as always. :)


  56. WaltTheMan says:

    Juan C, OT, but here’s a pointer to a subject we discussed a few days back.


  57. katy says:

    happy guy must not have read the whole article he linked… he must also be among this group:
    Climate change sceptics are expected to seize on the revised figures as evidence that action to combat global warming is less urgent.
    but the next paragraph explains:
    Scientists insist that the lower estimates for sea levels and the human impact on global warming are simply a refinement due to better data on how climate works rather than a reduction in the risk posed by global warming.

    blinders on the shortsighted… scary…


  58. Sharon Cox says:

    Great post WC…..I have often thought of the time when I was very young and my grand mother use to take me to the horse races in california….On the handicap sheet’s were the…DNF after some horses previous races….Asked about that and she said it ment.” Did not finish”….Since this madman has been in office that term has been coming to mind a lot…..When I was doing research before bull shit bush was elected I noted all his DNF’s, every one around him had to do the finishing……Odd and very sad for our country, troop’s and the world this is the very same nut case that was demanding Clinton have exit strategies…..Where is the out rage from the rest of america and the world, except for the progressives here, only a few protesters by comparison have stood up and demanded accountability….Yes we did win the election and that was a decleration of sort’s but, still not good enough or quick enough for me……This DNF piece of crap has to be stoped ASAP…He must not be allowed to finish his term as a free person, he must be impeached, indicted and jailed….Blessings….No more bush war’s..


  59. Happy Guy says:

    They say cows are worse than cars. So shouldn’t you be out killing cows? Oh, I forgot. This time of year you are too busy taking down nativity scenes.

    http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/article2062484.ece

    ROTFL


  60. Zooey says:

    Happy Guy,

    Why are you always so unhappy?


  61. Tobey Tall says:

    Bush’s Torture Ticking Time Bomb: Sins of Commission

    Have Republicans become the party of torture, secret prisons, and indefinite detention? In his speech last month on signing the Military Commissions Act, President Bush declared that the bill “sends a clear message… We will never back down from the threats to our freedom.” “Rough interrogation” (a.k.a. torture) in the name of freedom may be Bush’s clearest ideological legacy.

    Bush endlessly reminds listeners that “the U.S. does not torture” and that “torture is not an American value.” But “What is torture?” is the Bush version of the Pontius Pilate question. Bush appears to be using the definition of torture crafted by Justice Department official John Yoo: if detainees weren’t maimed or killed, they weren’t tortured. And the Justice Department acts as if, even if detainees are killed during interrogations, it is best to treat the deaths as harmless errors.

    The MCA awarded Bush the power to label anyone on earth an enemy combatant and lock then up in perpetuity, nullifying the habeas corpus provision of the Constitution and “turning back the clock 800 years,” as Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) said. While only foreigners can be tried before military tribunals, Americans accused of being enemy combatants can be detained indefinitely without charges and without appeal. Even though the Pentagon has effectively admitted that many of the people detained at Guantanamo were wrongfully seized and held, the MCA presumes that the president of the United States is both omniscient and always fair.


  62. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) says:

    Zooey

    Wouldn’t you be unhappy, too, if your had the northern part of your anatomy stuck in the southern part?

    It has to be tough having an anatomical geography disorder.


  63. Zooey says:

    It has to be tough having an anatomical geography disorder.
    Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)

    Oh heavens. You know, I would be unhappy about that. Maybe we should take a collection to help — or sell tickets. :)


  64. Sharon Cox says:

    Hay Zooey, I had a post deleted….LOL….Responded to Happy crap briefly and then it dasappeared…..LOL….Oh well! life in the fast lane….I am definately a pick and choose poster…HeHe!…Miserable weather here today, grey,wind and heavy rain, hope it skip’s you…..Blessings


  65. PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) says:

    Zooey

    Collection…tickets…collection…tickets. Tough call. But then, a true neocon, with a “pull yourself up by the bootstraps” mentality, probably wouldn’t want the help. So, I’d go with selling tickets. BTW, if he does try to “pull himself up by the bootstraps” would that propel his head in deeper?


  66. Zooey says:

    So, I’d go with selling tickets. BTW, if he does try to “pull himself up by the bootstraps” would that propel his head in deeper?
    Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)

    Heh. I do believe he would disappear completely. :-D


  67. Zooey says:

    Yay Sharon! You got deleted! Must have been a good one, sorry I missed it. :)


  68. Sharon Cox says:

    PLC and Zooey, you are so funny, I love you all, except the troll’s..PLC, “if he doe’s try to pull himself up by the bootstrap’s” would that propel his head deeper.? We can only hope….LOL….For sure the word’s “talking out their ass” will apply…..Blessings


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