Bush Officially Embraces Vietnam-Era Strategy Of Publicizing Enemy Body Counts In Iraq
Bush Officially Embraces Vietnam-Era Strategy Of Publicizing Enemy Body Counts In Iraq
In late October, Bush told a group of conservative journalists that the administration had made a decision not to report the number of Iraqis killed by the U.S. military. The publication of those figures was widely seen as a counter-productive strategy during the Vietnam War. Byron York reported for the National Review:
“We have made a conscious effort not to be a body-count team,” Bush said, in a clear reference to the tabulations of enemy killed that became a hallmark of the Vietnam War. And that, in turn, “gives you the impression that [U.S. troops] are just there — kind of moving around, directing traffic, and somebody takes a shot at them and they’re down.”
Today, Tony Snow announced that the administration had reversed course and would be publicizing body counts to disabuse people of the notion that “our people aren’t doing anything” in Iraq. Watch it:
Snow said he couldn’t explain “why the president said what he said” previously about body counts “because I can’t put him on the couch right now.”
Full transcript:
QUESTION: The president, yesterday, said that about (inaudible) enemy forces have either been killed or captured in about the last two and a half months.
SNOW: Yes.
QUESTION: Can you elaborate on that — I mean, just make one broad statement about that?
What other information do you have to back that up, in terms of…
SNOW: Well, that’s the information that’s been produced by our people in the field.
QUESTION: Why did he decide to give enemy body counts, something that they generally try to stay away from?
SNOW: Well, that’s a good question. I won’t try to — rather than trying to tell you why the president said what he said, because I can’t put him on the couch right now, what I can do is at least offer one possible reason why that’s an important data point for Americans, which is — there’s a lot of concern about U.S. casualties and deaths, as there should be: 103 deaths in October alone.
SNOW: And there is quite often the impression — and I’ve talked about it up here — that our people aren’t doing anything; they’re just targets.
And I think there’s a certain amount of unease in the American public because they hear about deaths, but they don’t hear about what’s going on.
I was speaking last night with a service member, just recently back. He was at our party.
And he’s frustrated because a lot of the activities that they do never get reported.
One of the things that never seems to be counterposed to the death counts is what our service men and women are doing. And one of the things they’re doing is they’re fighting the bad guys.
And as General Chiarelli said recently, bad guys haven’t won a single battle.
For obvious reasons, going back to the Vietnam era, people are loathed to do body counts, but it probably is worth at least giving a general impression of the relative battlefield success of what’s going on, which is a great many members of Al Qaida in Anbar, and also, people who are committing acts of violence in Baghdad and elsewhere, are dying or being captured as a result of these military activities.
QUESTION: Is this something, then, the White House would like to the American public to judge: We killed this many bad guys versus how many of us are killed? Is that something you want as a metric from now on?
SNOW: I don’t know. But I think the most important — I think it is important that Americans learn as much as possible about what’s going on in Iraq.
And that’s not merely militarily — to get a sense of where the violence is located, how widespread it is, what’s going on in civil society. Is there hope in certain provinces? What is the full picture in Iraq?
And I’m afraid that that is something that people have not fully received, and so we will be talking about the fuller picture, good news and bad news. QUESTION: Can I say that the White House and Pentagon have all said this is counterinsurgency and (inaudible) sectarian violence.
And when you look at a counterinsurgency, you don’t win a counterinsurgency by killing a whole lot of people.
So I guess my question is…
SNOW: Well, there…
QUESTION: Do you really want the American public to say this is how many people we’ve killed? Because — commanders will tell you that’s not how you win it.
SNOW: Well, the commanders will tell you a couple of things.
Number one, when you’re fighting insurgents, if they’re dead, they’re not going to fight you anymore.
SNOW: But the other important thing about counterinsurgency is that it has to be part of a broader program, which we’ve talked about many times, which involves not merely — you know, talk about Baghdad neighborhoods, for instance: clean, hold, but you’ve also got to sustain those neighborhoods.
And that involves creating a police force that is reliable and trusted. It means creating economic opportunity so you don’t leave a vacuum behind. It involves creating political consensus in the country so that people have buy-in.
So as the generals themselves have said…
QUESTION: So is that not happening, which is why he went to the body count?
SNOW: No. No. A lot of these things are happening. As I said…
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION: … there’s not a lot of that happening.
SNOW: Well, no, you don’t assume that because we’ve introduced a new piece of evidence that other evidence does not play into the conversation.
QUESTION: And if you look back on numbers that have been given, here and in the Pentagon, about how many enemy there are over the years, I mean, at one point it’s 5,000, at one it’s 20,000. So in the last three months you’ve killed or captured 5,000. It seems like all the enemy should be gone at this point.
SNOW: Well, again, I know, but I’m just telling you that — I told you I’m not going to put the president on the couch; I’m offering you a possible explanation.
But it is important that people get a fuller picture. And you’ve heard it from troops. I’ve heard it from troops. And it should not be limited simply to that.
But one also should not assume that people out there are simply dying in vain or that our men and women are not accomplishing things when they’re taking on the people who are committing acts of violence that has killed thousands of Iraqis.
QUESTION: Are you making a differentiation between suicide bombers and insurgents or terrorists and insurgents, or are they all lumped together in the same…
SNOW: Anybody who is trying to take down this government or destabilizing the democracy through acts of violence are enemies to the democracy in Iraq.
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So, will we start with the right-whiners body count of 35,000 Iraqi civilian deaths (you know, the same number they guesstimated in 2003) or will they start with the 600,000 Iraqi civilian deaths guesstimated by the Iraqi government?
December 14th, 2006 at 3:37 pm” I can’t put him on the couch right now.â€
Hey, too much personal information. What you boys do on your own time is your own business.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:38 pmdoes death equal progress?
December 14th, 2006 at 3:40 pmThis is the 2nd person to refer to the President and a therapist’s couch.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:41 pmhmmmmmmmmmm
Since bush wasn’t there to win during vietnam, he’s just trying to make it up to the country now.
All these things he’s doing worked before–didn’t they?
December 14th, 2006 at 3:41 pmAt least he didn’t say “I don’t know”.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:43 pmMr. Coulter on the same topic:
http://www.anncoulter.com/ cgi-local/ printer_friendly.cgi?article=161
(otherwise a good column… well, except for the delusion of winning)
December 14th, 2006 at 3:43 pmAnd as General Chiarelli said recently, bad guys haven’t won a single battle.
And now, as in Vietnam, this fact is also proving irrelevant.
It doesn’t matter if 5,000 or 20,000 are killed. Iraqi insurgents know they can sustain huge casualties because they are fighting in their own country. There is no shortage of recruits for them. Unless, that is, you eliminate them all…
December 14th, 2006 at 3:46 pmThank God we didn’t elect the flippy-floppy guy!
December 14th, 2006 at 3:46 pmHas anyone proposed a UTube campaign of tactfully (and with family permission) filming the funeral service of every soldier killed in Iraq?
December 14th, 2006 at 3:49 pmThe reason the war hasn’t been any fun is that we haven’t been able to keep score. The White House will be printing scorecards in the country’s newspapers and encouraging sportsbooks to offer over/under odds on the kill ratios. Let’s keep score! We can make this war fun again!
December 14th, 2006 at 3:49 pmOh, no. Not Tony again.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pmIf Bush%Co had the least shred of honesty or honor, they would report the 600,000+ deaths they’ve already caused in Iraq. Why does no one take him up on his false idea that there’s major ‘good news’ not being reported? An old estimate for the flight of the professional class is that 40% of them left, and by now it has to be much higher. Iraqi society and their economy is crippled, and this is bad news for Iraqis. Any spin that Tony Snow wants to put is a reflection of his imperial arrogance and ignorance.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:58 pm[…] Watch Body Counts […]
December 14th, 2006 at 4:00 pmCount this Bush. 50,000 Americans died in Vietnam for nothing. I know that you were AWOL from that war, so you might not know.
Your war in Iraq serves no purpose and again, Americans are dying for absloutely no reason other than you have issues with your father.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:00 pm[…] They think body counts are gonna show people that we’re doin’ somethin’ over in I-rack. […]
December 14th, 2006 at 4:01 pmAw man, I thought this thread was about Ice-T releasing a new “Body Count” album… Darn.
Hey, can I start calling Tony Snow, Ice-T?
In all seriousness…
“And there is quite often the impression — and I’ve talked about it up here — that our people aren’t doing anything; they’re just targets.
And I think there’s a certain amount of unease in the American public because they hear about deaths, but they don’t hear about what’s going on.”
I thought the Administration doesn’t govern by polls and public perception.
What was it Bush said (months ago) after laughing (then denying that he laughed) about how little he cares about what the American people think about Iraq?
When did this change? Why are they allowed to get away with contradicting themselves with every word they utter?
My real question is why don’t they actually try changing the policy in Iraq instead of focusing on changing the perception of Iraq. This is completely ridiculous (and typical).
I’m so sick of feeling so incredibly mature and intelligent compared to our “leaders”.
Like I said in another thread: The Democrats are the Republican’s exit strategy from Iraq. Its the only way.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:02 pmMore and more like Vietnam every day.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:03 pmWTF……these losers use past and lost wars as the blueprint and strategy for current wars which are lost anyway…WTF.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:05 pmGod, I think I spent 5 minutes of my life just reading that stupid dialogue.
For example: And one of the things they’re doing is they’re fighting the bad guys
Im sorry but it really hits a nerve in me whenever I read such an insightful political analysis.
Good guys vs Bad guys. Come on, its like a Paris Hilton action movie.
SNOW: Anybody who is trying to take down this government or destabilizing the democracy through acts of violence are enemies to the democracy in Iraq.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:06 pmUS fits right in.
This is the second time someone said he couldn’t psychoanalyze Bush when asked to explain a decision of his. The first time it was Baker, and this proves that the people close to Bush or who have come into contact with him and who know him believe that he needs therapy of some kind. Otherwise they would not make these Freudian slips. Nobody asked Snow to put Bush on an analyst’s couch, he was asked a simple question: why did the President say what he said? “I don’t know” or “I haven’t asked him” or “The situation has changed” or any number of less provocartive replies would have done just fine. This is no mere use of a figure of speech–it’s a serious sign of trouble.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:07 pmWe know what they’re doing. They’re killing and maiming people and other people are killing and maiming them.
The voters aren’t happy about that…we want out—NOW!
December 14th, 2006 at 4:08 pmbush gets a boner for 2 reasons, when hearing of the slaughter of defenceless iraq women and babies and when he hears jeff gannon’s name.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:09 pmKilling ‘bad guys’ is accomplishing something? Is “bad guys” a new technical term for “enemy”?
I wish I knew who “the enemy” was. All I know for sure is that Bush is proud that our soldiers have recently taken the lives of somewhere around 5,900 human beings and we are supposed to be proud. Instead, I feel sick and disgusted.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:10 pmCaption Contest:
You look hot like that on that couch, Mr. President.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:10 pmRemember … there is one other war to compare this to … remember the American Revolution? The British won most of the battles and held the major cities … and they still lost… we don’t even have complete control of Baghdad …
December 14th, 2006 at 4:12 pmIn a war like this, the insurgency doesn’t have to win a single battle … all they have to do is survive and dry up the resources of the invading/occupying army. If certain persons in power actually looked at history, they would see this lovely pattern. Too bad they are too obsessed about how they’ll look in history.
And one of the things they’re doing is they’re fighting the bad guys.
I very appropiate and insightful analysis of the situation. Just like the script of a Paris Hilton´s action movie. Good guys vs Bad guys. Yeah, thats the reality.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:16 pmdid the chimp get help on this topic or did he think of it all by himself?
December 14th, 2006 at 4:17 pmWell this definitely discredits their estimations at 35,000 - because if the numbers were really that small, they wouldn’t be hiding them.
Where’s Tracy and Exley to eat their crow? I’m tired of these mouthy right-wingers who spew a lot of nonsense without first considering what they are saying because they are afraid of the boogeyman. Sissies.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:22 pmToday, Tony Snow announced that the administration had reversed course and would be publicizing body counts to disabuse people of the notion that “our people aren’t doing anything†in Iraq.
Oy.
Body Count = doing something.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:23 pmFair & Balanced?? Hiding the truth?? Hiding the body count?? Now if that’s not outright defrauding the public, then I surely don’t know what is! How twisted can they get?
December 14th, 2006 at 4:24 pmBesides what does that draft dodger know about Vietnam? He used daddy’s money to buy his way out of the draft - everyone knows that. He’s a fake and everyone with any degree of intelligence knew that…look at the polls…people are beginning to get enlightened and realize that they’ve been duped by an idiot. How bad is that? Being duped by intelligencia is one thing…
December 14th, 2006 at 4:25 pmWow. Heard about the body count story on Jesusland radio. How morbid and disgusting of the administration to reduce this conflict to taking out as many bodies as possible — on both sides. I had no idea this was what Vietnam was reduce to.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:29 pmBush is a spoiled brat. Count on this punk to act out more and more aggressively against his war critics. Count on a major escalation. Count on further cheapening of life as Bush tries to spell out his imagined destiny in ever more raw terms for us.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:30 pmThe killing of Iraqis.
Is this one of the good things going on in Iraq that laura bush was talkiing about this mornig?
December 14th, 2006 at 4:31 pmMajor flipflopper extraordinaire! First he was against the war in Vietnam before he was for it…..this guy is patently and pathologically demented.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:32 pmGW Bush is just trying to help the media report the good things going on in Iraq as per Laura’s request. Now the media can report - “Today our soldiers killed X Iraqis.. I mean terrorists… I mean insurgents.” See, some good things are happening in Iraq.
Of course, they will take credit for the Iraqis killed by Iraqis as well.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:33 pmThis still won’t be accurate, they will count the number of insurgents killed by US troops. This will not cover the number of Sunni’s killed by shiite’s, Shiite’s killed by sunni’s, Iraqi’s killed by insurgents…
December 14th, 2006 at 4:33 pmI agree wholeheartedly that his mental illness will only escalate as he realizes that fewer sane people will support him. The only remedy for this is to impeach him and to begin proceedings immediately. Contact John Conyers, Nancy Pelosi, et al….they have the articles of impeachment ready to go and there are plenty of them. There needs to be only one, remember that.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:34 pmIn State of Denial, Bob Woodward wrote that Gen. Pace was totally against reporting body counts. “What we want people on the ground to understand is that we want to get the job done with the least amount of killing, but with whatever is needed to be done to protect our own guys.”
December 14th, 2006 at 4:35 pmAnother disconnect between Bush and his Generals. Rumsfeld and Rice cautioned the president about body counts also.
This is just such a flip-flopping, out of control, disconnected bunch of so-called leaders.
â€I can’t put him on the couch right now.â€
Headline to this thread should have been:
Tony Snow suggests President Bush should see a psychiatrist.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:35 pmBush was asking for body counts from very early on and pressed for them. So much for a non-body count team, Mr. Snow.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:36 pmChimpy SHOULD be put on the couch. The psychiatrist’s couch.
The Constitution has a way to remove a President who is incompetent. This should be explored as an alternative to impeachment.
Obviously Chimpy is not competent to do the job.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:38 pmI feel like I’m experiencing a Twilight Zone episode. We have returned to Vietnam and all the same shenanigans are going on. Government deceit and falsehoods. People being murdered under the auspicies of “war” although no war has been declared. And once again we as the nation fumble about trying to figure out a way to get out all the while continuing to kill people and allowing our soldiers to be killed, maimed, and mentally ruined.
What’s odd, though, is that the anti-war movement this time is doing nothing compared to those in the 60’s and 70’s. No sit-ins. No student rallies. No peace marches (to speak of). I am ashamed of what we have become and deeply disturbed by what we are becoming. The only noticable difference between ourselves and the Germany run by the Nazi party is that Bush does not have a ridiculous moustache.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:38 pmBut … but … but Iraq is nothing like Vietnam, there are no similarities whatsoever.
So will this be the bodies from all the attacks, or only the attacks they choose to report? What’s the age cutoff - 12 - 14? If people are blown apart, will they add up the pieces and calculate an average?
Details, details.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:41 pmHey, people. What Tony is telling us is all speculation. He doesn’t even know why the gov’t is now reporting body counts. Recall from the transcript:
QUESTION: Why did he decide to give enemy body counts, something that they generally try to stay away from?
SNOW: Well, that’s a good question….what I can do is at least offer one possible reason why that’s an important data point for Americans…”
Keith Olbermann had a segment last night that focused on how many times Tony Snow has said “I don’t know” in response to a question. I think he said 400. Add one more.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:44 pmShock and Awe them with a body count, Dubya!
Hey, we could have a wounded count too. And put some webcams at the hospitals over there.
Then we can say we’re doing something. Cluster bombs for the win!
December 14th, 2006 at 4:45 pmTuber, #42-
December 14th, 2006 at 4:46 pmWhat’s odd, though, is that the anti-war movement this time is doing nothing compared to those in the 60’s and 70’s. No sit-ins. No student rallies. No peace marches (to speak of).
I think one of the basic differences at the time is that we were imposing a draft. Americans have become insulated from this war. Those who feel the pain of this illegal war are those close to the killed and wounded. As long as we can shop ’til we drop and have our video games WTF. I’m so ashamed of America.
Is it just me or is Snow’s “I don’t know, the Voice of The President hasn’t specified that” routine getting really old? I thought the justification for him getting a seat at the president’s table was so that he *would* know what was going on and be able to explain it until he was blue (or red or whatever) in the face.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:47 pmThe Middle East looks destined to fall into all out war.
Robert Parry describes a Middle East not unlike a game of checkers where any move you make you’ll get jumped multiple times. Frightening.
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/121306.html
December 14th, 2006 at 4:48 pmOy.
Body Count = doing something.
Comment by Zooey — December 14, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
I guess “protecting the Iraqi people and their new government in its infancy” just wasn’t doing the trick.
Just another sign, IMO, that it’s game over.
The American people. So disturbed. So emotional.
(so says George Bush).
December 14th, 2006 at 4:50 pmWC sez:
Yes…it’s especially amusing when you recall that Tony originally took the job on the condition that he be on the ‘inside track’ in regards to policy decisions…
Tony, if you don’t want to tell the press something, at least have the guts to admit you’re withholding information, rather than feign ignorance.
I never thought I’d be waxing nostalgic about Scott McClellan…
December 14th, 2006 at 4:51 pmRandom Rightie
December 14th, 2006 at 4:56 pmI read the article Mr. Coulter submitted. What’s astonishing is his question, “When was it decided we are losing?” as if since the ISG report came out, no one has forwarded that conclusion. Like it’s an altogether new theory. Amazing. She, I mean he actually justifies the deaths of 6000 American Servicemen’s lives if it keeps Islamofacists from following us here to do another 9/11 style attack. What’s most distressing to me is that there is a wholly different perspective on what this war is all about and the almost in unison parotting of Bush’s “We fight them there so we don’t have to fight them here” mantra. Ridiculous. As if all of Al-Qeada is fighting in Iraq. To what machismo god do these conservatives pray to? As if getting our troops out of a shooting match over a civil war…A civil war! Not a war against our arch enemy is somehow un patriotic.
I never thought I’d be waxing nostalgic about Scott McClellan…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Ahhhh, the sweaty pillsbury boy…. *sigh*
December 14th, 2006 at 4:58 pm“Vietnam-Era Strategy Of Publicizing Enemy Body Counts”
Does this mean they are going to add the number of dogs, chickens and other livestock killed to the total, the way they did in Vietnam?
December 14th, 2006 at 5:06 pmWill they break it down by terrorist group?
Will they have an “oops” column? (Kind of a “general terrorist” catchbin)
How about joint efforts? Say, where U.S. “advisors” are with an Iraqi Army unit and end up in a firefight with Sunnis who are also being “advised” by US forces?
Will there be another column for the Saudis if they get involved because they don’t think we’re sufficiently protecting the Sunnis? Or if we kill any Saudis will they just go into the “oops” column?
Fun with numbers!
December 14th, 2006 at 5:06 pme. doolittle @ 31 –
Yes, Viet Nam degenerated that far. Kill counts, kill ratios, the whole bit all dutifully read by a somber Uncle Walter on the Six O’clock news.
Every Friday night .
December 14th, 2006 at 5:13 pm“because I can’t put him on the couch right now.â€translated -
December 14th, 2006 at 5:14 pmUntil he’s done with Jeffy on the couch.
This brings back some ugly memories.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:17 pmOne night, sitting up in a guardtower in Phu Bai, we heard all hell break loose a couple of clicks outside the western perimeter of the base.
Mostly, actually, overwhelmingly, it was AK-47 fire, with a small sprinkling of M-16 and M70 grenade thumps.
Lasted about two minutes.
The next day, the press report came out, 116 cong killed, two marines wounded.
Right.
Well now isn’t that just like the familiar Bushie attack lines “he’s sending mixed messages”…”He changes positions!!”
Interesting look back here from a wingnut…could this now be the exact same thing we’re seeing now from the very one who exploited these “Flaws”??
December 14th, 2006 at 5:18 pm
Basically, Vietnamization has been taken off the shelf. The Bush administration apparently concluded that as this plan worked pretty well once why not try it again
December 14th, 2006 at 5:29 pmAt least he didn’t say “I don’t knowâ€.
QUESTION: Is this something, then, the White House would like to the American public to judge: We killed this many bad guys versus how many of us are killed? Is that something you want as a metric from now on?
SNOW: I don’t know. But I think the most important — I think it is important that Americans learn as much as possible about what’s going on in Iraq.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:30 pmI’m Tony Snow and I don’t know.
I’ve got lots of “known unknowns” for my show.
No matter what the conversation flow,
I go wherever I want to go.
Sound off..1, 2
December 14th, 2006 at 5:58 pmSound off..3, 4
Sound off..1, 2..3,4
Dr. “Siggy” Snow:
December 14th, 2006 at 6:45 pm“When you hear the term ‘body count’ what do you picture in your mind, George?”
Dubious:
“Is this a trick question? Yer tryin’ ta trip me up aint’cha…..”
Yes…it’s especially amusing when you recall that Tony originally took the job on the condition that he be on the ‘inside track’ in regards to policy decisions…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — December 14, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
Yes…something about “having the President’s ear.” Maybe Bush is the one that has Tony by the ear. I can just picture George dragging him around.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:03 pmOh! George can count?! This man should be a poster child for birth control!!
December 14th, 2006 at 7:07 pmJust can’t picture Dubious having anyone by the ear, ‘cept p’raps Barney
December 14th, 2006 at 7:07 pmHeck yes yer gittin’ yer monies werth.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:04 pmTony “dunno” Snow
December 14th, 2006 at 8:53 pmThere is much wrong with turning this into a body count war. In Vietnam we killed 130% of all of the North Vietnam and Vietcong soldiers according to the body count. This shows the great pressure that is placed on a high body count as a measure of progress.
A lot of those we kill are killed by snipers. Snipers fire based on a profile of, say, wearing a jacket in warm weather or not having both hands visible at all times. While some of those shot based on the profile are bombers a lot of them of true civilians. A body count policy will result in a higher body count because that becomes the expectation. Now how wise is that?
Frankly, I cannot think of a single upside to doing this.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:23 pmI think it is important that Americans learn as much as possible about what’s going on in Iraq.
Hey, I guess that means now they’ll also start reporting US mercena… er, contractor casualties.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:14 pmI am sure this point has been brought up (I haven’t read the comments yet). Don’t you have to know who the enemy is to count their dead???
December 14th, 2006 at 11:21 pm“Today we killed 255 terrorists, 110 terrorist women, and 30 terrorist children. We’ll round that up to 500. Well, 502, no one will believe it just happened to hit 500 evenly.”
December 15th, 2006 at 1:46 amgod must be telling the chimp to do body counts.
December 15th, 2006 at 8:13 amMaybe Snow should talk to his boys back at Fox, or at the Washington Times, and ask them why they aren’t shouting out the good news.
They could go back to Iraq and show us unbelievers how well the liberation of Fallujah is going.
December 15th, 2006 at 10:07 amIf you proposed “sustaining a neighborhood” in Detroit, these bastards would call you a communist. But they think they can do it on the other side of the world.
Snow, and his Ilk, JUST DONT GET IT, an insurgent does NOT stop Fighting after he is dead. A dead insurgent is a matyr, a recruiting tool, kill one and all his cousins and second cousins join the fight, far from describing progress the number of Iraqi’s killed is inversely proportional to achieving our goals.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:07 pm[…] The White House apparently decided it was a good idea to start giving body counts of people we’ve killed. Tony Snow handled questions about it superbly. I particularly like: QUESTION: Can I say that the White House and Pentagon have all said this is counterinsurgency and (inaudible) sectarian violence. […]
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