Laura Bush Slams Media For Ignoring Good News In Iraq
Laura Bush Slams Media For Ignoring Good News In Iraq
On MSNBC this morning, Norah O’Donnell asked Laura Bush about a new poll that found “only 2 in 10 Americans approve of the job that the president is doing on Iraq.”
Mrs. Bush placed the blame squarely on the media. She said, “I do know that there are a lot of good things that are happening that aren’t covered. And I think that the drum beat in the country from the media, from the only way people know what is happening…is discouraging.”
Mrs. Bush added that she hopes there is “more balanced coverage by the media” in the future. Watch it:
The truth is that the Bush administration is systematically underreporting the amount of violence in Iraq. From the Iraq Study Group report, pg. 94-95:
In addition, there is significant underreporting of the violence in Iraq. The standard for recording attacks acts as a filter to keep events out of reports and databases…For example, on one day in July 2006 there were 93 attacks or significant acts of violence reported. Yet a careful review of the reports for that single day brought to light 1,100 acts of violence. Good policy is difficult to make when information is systematically collected in a way that minimizes its discrepancy with policy goals.
Transcript:
NORAH O’DONNELL: I asked her about the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll that we have out today that essentially says only 2 in 10 Americans approve of the job that the president is doing on Iraq. And Mrs. Bush defended her husband vigorously. Take a listen.
LAURA BUSH: It is not encouraging coverage for sure. There’s no doubt about it. But I do know that there are a lot of good things that are happening that aren’t covered. And I think that the drum beat in the country from the media, from the only way people know what is happening unless they happened to have a loved one deployed there, is discouraging.
O’DONNELL: She says that she hopes that there is “more balanced coverage by the media,” in her words. She also said “I understand why the polls are what they are” she says, “because of the coverage we see every day in Iraq.”
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Could someone hook me up with Laura's pharmacist -- I want some of what she's takin'...
December 14th, 2006 at 11:21 amThat bubble is permeable kevlar. Nothing can penetrate inward but insipidness seeps out.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:22 amWhen George quit drinking did she start??
December 14th, 2006 at 11:23 amWhat are the good things happening in Iraq???????
Thanks Bruce
December 14th, 2006 at 11:26 amYou mean good news like the second mass kidnapping in a month in Baghdad by gunmen in military uniforms? That good news? Or the good news that 30 people were killed or found dead elsewhere in Iraq?
It's so hard to keep up with all the good news coming out of Iraq, Laura. Thanks for helping.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:26 amLaura's attitude reminds me of Homer Simpson when the Germans told him they "were from the land of chocolate," and Homer proceeded to have a lovely daydream about dancing chocolate bunnies and lollipop trees.
Laura added, "La la la dee da da da..."
December 14th, 2006 at 11:27 amYes....let's not forget all the schools we painted.
Laura, your defense of your husband, the Criminal-In-Chief, is not admirable in the least. On the contrary, it indicts you as a co-conspirator in the crime. You want to stand by your man, fine. When he's against the wall, you'll be against the wall right next to him.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:27 amWho cares what that robot thinks?
Did Noron O'Donnell realize the robot was dissing her?
She deserves what the Botox did to her.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:28 am#2- Badmoodman,
December 14th, 2006 at 11:31 amYou just defined Osmosis: Passage from the more dense to the less dense through a semi permeable membrane.
That's right, Laura! The media is really unfair. I have driven my car thousands of miles without an accident. But, nooo, the media does not give me any print or air time. My brother- and sister-in-law got in a motorcycle accident and this was written about, not one day but two. I can see how "discouraged" you must be that your husband's bully pulpit just can't counter the media. Oh, if you only had your own paid media people...oh, wait...never mind.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:31 amIf things are so great in Iraq then why not place the journalist in with the troop to get a look at all the great things?? This bitch is as goofy as that no good bum of a president she sleeps with every night.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:31 amIf the media did "balanced reporting" there would be less than 2 in 10 approving bush's handling of the destruction of Iraq. I can't believe 20% of Americans are that stupid!
December 14th, 2006 at 11:32 amJim reporting from Baghdad:
"Yes, good morning. Well today I saw three men buying fruit at a market. They looked extremely happy. They couldn't wait to get the fruit home and ran home to their families as I approached to talked to them.
Last night I went to a performance center where men looked to be rehearsing for a new play to open soon. They were wearing these neat head garbs - must be part of their heritage. The props they use are awesome real looking too just like weapons our soldiers use.
Tonight I'm going to see a performance by the Baghdad Chix. They tell me that, although they are all male, they sing like they are praying to Allah. Should be good.
By the way, I heard that a group of 30 were selected for the next performance of 'Now you see'm, Now you don't". What a blast I'm having here in the heart of Mesopotamia.
Thanks Jim we hope to talk to you tomorrow. That report sponsored by Laura 'just the fact maam' Bush.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:33 amI'm trying to clap harder, but after almost four years my arms are getting tired and my hands are sore.
Got to keep clapping...for Laura.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:33 amWow, big delay in her Random Access Memory, that talking point was all used up a while ago.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:34 amsad that someone even asks her a question? what has this idiot to say about anything we the people care about? did you catch the drool?
December 14th, 2006 at 11:35 amA couple of days ago 50 or so people searching for jobs were blown up by a couple of car bombs. These people no longer need work so there are fewer people searching for jobs. Maybe Laura meant there is less unemployment in Iraq now. Car bombs are really addressing the unemployment situation. The media has clearly failed to address that point.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:38 amI, fer one, think it's GRAND what the Firstest Lady is sayin... the same thing what Congressman Tom DeLay said on the Hammity and Combs show the other day. It's the LIBERALS what is causin' all the bloodshed over there in the Iraq!
If them liberal communist media jerks would just stop TALKIN' about all the bloodshed and murder, then the bloodshed and murder would STOP!
At least as far as we know...
December 14th, 2006 at 11:40 amEver notice how these people complain that the press is not covering the good things, but then all they seem to do is complain about the press. You would think that given the national stage these people could make their speil then list off the good things. Of course schools and hospitals being open is not one of them, because schools and hospitals were open under Sadaam. For safety’s sake hey closed when we invaded, but opened up when things cooled down. Maybe Laura would like to talk about how there is more than enough work for everyone in the healthcare industries these days? Maybe she would like to discuss the amount of work the oil field repair crews or pipeline repair crews have? Or perhaps she might want to discuss how the coffin making market and funeral markets are booming. These groups (oil repair types, morticians & health care workers) seem to have plenty of work to keep them busy and off the streets, why does the press not report that? Nope our press only wants to report the truth.
It’s funny too, Bush has at times talked about how such a large percentage of the country is not being affected by the violence. What he does not say is that the parts not affected are the unpopulated desert portions, and those parts that are 100% homogenous in their population. The rest of the country, oh places like Baghdad where millions live, however are very affected by the violence.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:40 amthat stepford wife is running on very short fuses.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:41 amShe probably believes it...
December 14th, 2006 at 11:41 amIt's just not fair! The news media won't report on all the great public works projects we're doing for Iraq. It's those stupid Iraqi civilians who won't let us film them or take pictures of them because they're afraid of getting slaughtered by insurgents for working with the U.S. We just want to show everyone what a great place it is and how those reports of violence are so untrue.
Yeah, Laura, let's start showing the good news. Then, let's start showing the bad news that isn't getting reported because it's just too gross or because they can't get reporters or cameramen out to those areas for fear of being kidnapped and tortured to death.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:43 amShe says that the only news we get is from media "unless you have a loved one there". She seemed to stumble on that one. At least the MSNBC reporter sounded dumbfounded by Laura's remarks.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:43 amGeorge Bush demands loyalty from his subordinates and she knows it. When was the last time she visited Iraq to see all "the good things that are happening" for herself? Instead of bitching about the media why doesn't she go over there herself and write an article or book?
December 14th, 2006 at 11:46 amOh Pshaw! The Lord works in mysterious ways and Laura knows that! Every kid that dies is one less mouth to feed. Explosions at night and small gun fire make it hard to have sex...ergo, fewer mouths to feed. Pretty soon, there will be plenty of food to go around. See!! Great news! Rejoice!!
And I hear that sales of rechargeable electric drills are up 100% over last month.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:46 amLaura Bush slams the media and Norah O'Donnell--who works in media!--just sits there and takes it. She must be a real delight in bed.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:47 amPositive news?
In direct response to the horrific attacks of Sept 11th, the Bush admin replaced the tyrannical government of Saddam Hussein with a Shi'a fundamentalist government which has long, direct, and extremely close ties to Iran which The Decider called an "axis of evil".
How can that ever be `good news' to anyone except for Shiite fundamentalists?
December 14th, 2006 at 11:47 amThis lady is a complicitous, ignorant airhead. She had vehicular homicide scoured from her criminal record long ago, has a history of dealing in drugs in college, and is now coming out of her cockroach-infested nest to criticize the media whores who have done nothing but prop up this administration by spewing the propoganda coming from her house?? Give me a break, twisted sister! You not only do not deserve the integrity of being heard, you are just as guilty of what's happening to this country as your partner is. Does she have a brain? I suspect not. Either that or she suffers from mental spousal abuse. She's a nitwit of the first order.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:48 amSounds like it's time for a "Laura Visits The Improved New Iraq Tour." I'm sure Faux News would provide the necessary TV support and gosh, we really could use some good news about all the risks those private contractors are taking to "earn" their millions but make Iraq a wonderful place to live.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:48 amWell, Laura, I don't see you spending much time in Iraq. I bet you probably have never been there. Why don't you visit Baghdad and its surrounds later this month and stay there for about a week. Then you can come back with video of all the good things going on over there.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:49 amSlams??? For someone to slam something it has to have a high value of momentum (newtonian physics with some semantics of my own).
She doesnt have credibility, she doesnt have the slightest authority to talk about this issue, and she sleeps with Bush...
December 14th, 2006 at 11:50 amWas the interview with Noron conducted at the White House or at Laurabot's current residence, the Mayflower Hotel?
December 14th, 2006 at 11:50 amAnd the public should give any credibility to that Stepford First Lady because....? For God's sake, the former schoolteacher can't even sit her idiot husband down and teach him the proper pronunciation of the word "nuclear." Why should anyone listen to her views on anything substantive?
December 14th, 2006 at 11:50 amwhy dont you go to iraq and enlighten us, since you seem to have some deep understanding that we peons lack.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:50 am[...] Watch Video [...]
December 14th, 2006 at 11:51 amO.K. sweetie, let's talk about the time you murdered someone with your automobile....What's that? O.K. then we will continue to talk about your husband's war and the failure it has heaped upon this once great nation.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:52 amWho, Fox News? Sinclair Media? Clear Channel?
You mean the same media who undercounts the war protestors whenever they bother to cover them at all? The media prevented from showing the coffins of our dead? In Iraq? The same place where 10 soldiers and 60 civilians die every day lately?
Man I can't wait for this Bizarro World Presidency to end....
December 14th, 2006 at 11:52 amThis meme that the Librul Media is not reporting all the good news from Iraq was common among rightie bloggers and radio blowhards up until a few months ago. Since then, they've gone conspicuously silent on that point.
Guess Laura didn't get the memo...
December 14th, 2006 at 11:57 amBut, but...the schools! The schools!
Don't pay any attention to our soldiers in a shooting gallery, and the innocent Iraqis blown up every day by extremists on both sides--just look at the schools!
She's as loony as her husband.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:57 amI think she's on to something here. Just the other day a reporter (from the media, mind you), came to my front door and asked me what I thought of the President. I said, "Well, I'm a litt--" then the reporter held me down and pooped on my head. "THAT's what the President thinks of YOU!" he cried. It certainly gave me a negative perception of the President. I mean, really, if he's sending out the media to poop on citizens like me--what other opinion could I have?
December 14th, 2006 at 11:57 amI lost all respect for Laura Bush after she went to the Gulf Coast and expressed annoyance at the media for making things seem worse than they really were. It doesn't matter how loyal she is to her husband, no one can be forced to be used -- much less say things -- like that. When they trot Laura out though, you know that the situation is perceived as desperate. I got no fewer than three robocalls from Laura Bush this election cycle, and zero from GWB.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:59 amLaura has been living with a dumbass too long.
Let me see...which story is more informative for me to read? The one where 50 Iraqi people are killed and another 75 kidnapped by militants in uniforms on the same day the American body count reaches 2,700 dead, or the one where the US Army has cut the ribbon on a new grade school they built up in the safety of the Kurdish area?
The sooner Laura gets her Stepford-ass back to Crawford where she can put up jars of homemade jelly and jam, the better for the United States.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:00 pmHey Laura....if everything is great in Iraq why aren't your daughters in uniform partying on the streets of Baghdad?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:06 pm#11. I'm not sure they sleep together. George goes to bed early (remember Laura's desparate housewife complaint?). And, he really likes men -- such as the Canadian Prime Minister's aide.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:06 pmWhy should the war in Iraq be any different than news in general?
That things are going perfect doesn't sell newspapers.
How many times do you hear about teenagers complaining how it's only the bad things that end up in the newspapers not when someone makes eagle scout?
Laura, get a grip.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:07 pmTotally disconnected from reality, just like her hubby.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:07 pmBubblebums.
Malkin's denial about the situation in Iraq could quite possibly get her killed.
Just natural selection at work, I guess.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:07 pm.
test....
bums?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:08 pmtest...
December 14th, 2006 at 12:08 pmSurgeon: The surgery was a success.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:08 pmGrieving Wife: But my husband died on the operating table.
Surgeon: But the surgery was a success, that should be the focus.
GMT, really interesting at what places you show up...
December 14th, 2006 at 12:10 pmYou're one busy commenter! :D
The last time Bush played the blame the media game, one of the reporters who covers Iraq said that when she told the Pentagon that she would like to investigate the 'good news' stories first hand and report on them, she was told that publicizing how well a particular school or hospital was doing, would only make them a target for insurgent attacks.
Apparently, the irony that Iraq is so f***ed up that nothing invites violence like a success story, is lost on Laura Bush.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:10 pmBe careful what you ask for Mrs. Bush. More reporting on any good things will also need more reporters. More reporters will also see the bad things. That is, of course, if you actually allow more reporters.
For every samitary sewer job reported on there will be more of the 1,100 a day attacks to be reported on. And what sells more papers, Explosive shit or just plain shit.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:11 pmPoor Laura. Reality sure does take a bite out of fantasy-time, doesn't it?
Is she still living out of a hotel, counting the days until she can finally divorce her looser hubby?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:12 pmSorry for test posts, strange delay before comments get published here...
December 14th, 2006 at 12:12 pmCould somebody tell Magda Goebbels to get her kids into uniform or STFU?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:14 pmLaura Bush looked terrible in that interview. I cannot believe that these people in the White House are so disconnected from reality.
She seemed angry and very put out that she had to respond to the questions that Noron was asking. Also, O'Donnel is a close friend of many in the administration thus the access. I caught this interview and I couldn't believe my ears. The carnage each and every day is overwhelming and yet this women is blaming the media.
I can't wait for them to be out of office. They are never accountable to anyone for their terrible decisions and thus the equally awful consequences.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:14 pm"Let them eat cake!" Possibly, well maybe, just kinda thinking here yah know... if her husband wasn't such a spoiled pig-headed person there might not be so much to "complain" about.
But darn it... When he goes and starts a totally optional war, spends upwards of $580 billion (if he gets his $100 billion next month), kills almost 3,000 of our military members, untold 10's of thousands of innocent Iraqis, divides the country for purely political reasons... Gosh... I just have to say that he brought it on himself.
He obviously does not listen to others than his extremely close AEI and PNAC certified handlers... so, is the "Decider" the one responsible? His handlers feeding him bad information? The Democrats who have not controlled congress for 12 years or the White House for 6, or is in the MEAN OLD NASTY MEDIA that just can't get into the "REALITY" as shaped by this administration.
Cry me a river, witch! You are not immune to the contempt of the American people any more.
I would rather live on Discworld!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:16 pmCo-dependency can get you killed too.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:16 pmGeorge likes the big green army dick, he don't like that wierd vagina stuff.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:18 pmShe outta send the twins over there. Life in Iraq is nothing but one big party according the Liquored-up Laura. Her twins will fit right in!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:18 pmI fail to understand why reporters keep asking her about anything policy-related. What do they expect her to say? And what do they expect her to say of substance? Sheesh, even her comments about decorating the White House for Christmas were completely lacking in depth or originality--just compare Jackie Kennedy or Betty Ford speaking about the WH. Asking Laura Bush to comment on any subject at all will only elicit a kneejerk response of great vacuity. Stop the insanity!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:19 pmYeah, good point, Laura! We all know how badly the corporate media wants to bring down the first CEO president, so that the Dems can return to power and start regulating it again.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:19 pmIT'S A VAST, LEFT WING CONSPIRACY!!! LMAO!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:20 pm“Let them eat cake!â€
Good point. But we're living in the information age now, so, accordingly, the tenor has slightly changed:
"Let them report cake!"
December 14th, 2006 at 12:21 pmThese lazy journalists are to blame. They don't go out "into the field" anymore to see the normalcy of Iraqi life, afraid of little things like road side bombs and sniper fire. What's a few hundred dead journalists if it means getting the true story about how Sunnis and Shiites are giving each other flowers and chocolates, about the 2% increase in electricity production, about the decreased number of Iraqis in lines seeking employment, and about the many social and cultural events happening at local Iraqi hot spots.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:22 pm"I would rather live on Discworld!"
Of course! Nothing wrong with DISCWORLD.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:23 pmNice witches and everything...
Flotus is dissing the media cause they are not giving her daughter's affair in the Southern Hemisphere enough coverage, I mean, after all, isn't that good news for all the soybean magnates and their mega-farms down there in what used to be the Amazon rainforest?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:23 pmWhen Laura "Unsafe at any speed" Bush said, "But I do know that there are a lot of good things that are happening that aren’t covered," O'Donnel should have asked her what her source was for her knowing about these good things that weren't being reported.
Would have LOVED to hear her try to answer that one.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:26 pm#52 - Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC)
That deserves a patriotic chuckle!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:27 pmPickle's Laura is just as bad as Ma Barker Bush when it comes to discounting the deaths and horrors of others.
Pickle's should have just said:
"But why should the media report about severed heads, and Iraqi deaths, and how many, what day it's gonna happen, and how many this or what do you suppose? Or, I mean, it's, it's not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that."
December 14th, 2006 at 12:29 pmRaven they are not covering the Soybean Magnates of S. America because everyone knows soy makes you gay.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:29 pmThe press says to the military, We want to write about this school you've opened. The military says, No, don't. If you do, it might get blown up or the teachers might get killed.
The press says to the military, We want to write about this water plant you've opened. The military says, No, don't. If you do, it might become a target.
The press says to the military, we want to go out in the neighborhoods and talk to real people. The military says, OK, but if you do, you'll get killed.
There may be some good news out there, but it's all eclipsed by the violence. Which is why the press emphasizes the violence.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:29 pmReporter Lara Logan of CBS News says our very own State Dept. will not let the reporters have the good news stories for rear of reprisal by terrorists/insurgents.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:31 pmIs there such a concept as "followup questions" in the media anymore? Shouldn't the logical response from the reporter been "What good things have happened in Iraq recently?"
December 14th, 2006 at 12:31 pmLaura Bush (a mother, a wife, a first lady) is willing and incouraging media to ignore to inform true picture of war (soldiers and innocients alike dying and suffering pain unlike she has yet to experience). This is our representative of countries women. And George Bush is a representative of our men. Don't we just have two of the fine example of true Americans. I do hope we as a country realize are committing crime against humanity and stop this.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:32 pmSay hello to the folks at Stepford pls Mrs. Bush. Thanks.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:32 pmSomeone said it,
News about shit blowing up is more sensational than news about shit just sitting there.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:33 pmNo good news comming from Iraq, just dead soldiers.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:33 pmI had a soybean today, and all of the sudden I am logging on to Jeff Gannon's website... wierd
December 14th, 2006 at 12:34 pmLaura said she new of good things that were happening in Iraq that weren't being reported. If that is the case then why didn't she volunteer those good things that were happening? Or why didn't Nora press her to list those good things that she knew were happening?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:35 pmWhat planet is this woman living on?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:36 pmI seem to remember the last major person who tried using this talking point ended up in a plane or helicopter dodging rocket fire over Iraq... who was that guy?
Oh, this reminds me, I have to call all of my friends, family, and our local papers to let them know that I didn't die from choking on my toothbrush this morning. That's "good news" right, Laura?
Last Throes...
Democrats need to use their abundance of political capital to end this thing NOW. I get the feeling that the Republicans are waiting for the Democrats on this one. It HAS to be done by Democrats and they can afford it. We can not wait for Republicans to come around which people still seem to be doing for some reason. Its (obviously) not going to happen. The Democrats ARE the Bush Administrations exit strategy. I say "so be it".
Democrats need to have confidence: America understands.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:36 pmNo. Mrs. Bush is on to something. Let's blow the cover off of all of Iraq. Report on the good things but also report on the status of all the private contracts. Report on the mass exodus of the middle class. Report on the mass kidnappings. Report on the corruption in the govt.. Report on the continual problem of AWOL's in the military.
And the list goes on and on and on.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:36 pmToo bad the reporter neglected to ask Ms. Bush to name some of the positives...
December 14th, 2006 at 12:37 pm2 words: Beef.Jerky.Stew
December 14th, 2006 at 12:37 pmLaura's own recipe...
Maybe if the 'Chimp 'n Chief' wasn't screwing the Secretary of Shoes Laura would find more good things to talk about.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:39 pmHow's the Hotel life, Laura?
Do they let you drive yet?
Is something still good news after it gets blown up?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:44 pmWhat are the good things happening in Iraq???????
Comment by Bruce — December 14, 2006 @ 11:26 am
there's an awful lot of school painting going on. every time they spackle over the bullet holes, they have to re-paint.
on the plus side, not too many kids are being affected by paint fumes.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:45 pmWe don't get enough pictures of all the folks in Iraq receiving their ponies.
And we don't get near as many shots of Unicorns as we should.
And rivers of chocolate flowing through the countryside.
Etc., etc., etc.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:46 pmGee, all these comments would make you think the First Lady's approval numbers may be slipping alittle. It must be the media FEAR & BANLANZED!
December 14th, 2006 at 12:47 pm#70 Raven
Flotus
That's great. I never thought about what her acronym would be. She appears to be suffering from flotulence.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:48 pmI guess you libs didn't watch Sean Hannity in Iraq. The media loves to downplay positive progress in Iraq, shame on them! I can only trust America's station (Fox News) to deliver the truth.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:51 pmThings are going so swimmingly in Iraq, they are happy with absolutely nothing, like the Whos in Whoville.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:52 pm"This is your FOX PROPOGANDA reporter coming to you live from Iraq, in a very comfortable and safe room provided by the wonderful U.S. military. I have it on good authority that of the 140,235 American soldiers alive yesterday here in Iraq, 140,207 are still alive today. When asked about this statistic, President Bush stated 'that's the kind of good news we need to hear about the hard work we're doing over there'. That's our report, live from the beautiful safe room in Baghdad, Iraq."
December 14th, 2006 at 12:53 pmI wouldn't expect anything more from Laura-- but why does Norah get a pass? She's a total ninny. Has she never heard of a follow up question? Such as "what good things"?
December 14th, 2006 at 12:56 pm"Laura Bush Slams Margaritas While Waiting for Husband's Term to End."
December 14th, 2006 at 12:56 pmLaura Bush Slams Margaritas While Waiting for Husband’s Term to End.â€
Comment by ForTruth — December 14, 2006 @ 12:56 pm
Please refrain from creating false comments about our beloved First Lady.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:59 pmI guess you libs didn’t watch Sean Hannity in Iraq. The media loves to downplay positive progress in Iraq, shame on them! I can only trust America’s station (Fox News) to deliver the truth.
Comment by Daryll
Daryll decides to employ humor in his posts. Right?
December 14th, 2006 at 1:00 pmShe also said “I understand why the polls are what they are†she says, “because of the coverage we see every day in Iraq.â€
And then she said, "Consuela, I'm out of gin again!! Where the hell is she?"
December 14th, 2006 at 1:00 pmDaryll,
Your dry humor is busting my side today. Keep it up. :)
December 14th, 2006 at 1:03 pmLAURA BUSH IS A WAR CRIMINAL JUST LIKE HER HUSBAND.
SHE SHOULD HAVE HER ASS THROWN IN JAIL FOR THE MURDER OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT IRAQIS.
SHE IS A LOWLIFE, JUST LIKE HER FAT ASS MOTHER IN LAW
December 14th, 2006 at 1:05 pmAs far as the Machine is concerned, the media IS the problem. They do not care about what REALLY happens. They are only concerned with what SEEMS to happen, what APPEARS to happen and what people SAY about these perceptions.
They do not connect to the fact that they are have created and perpetuate a war that is having terrible effects on REAL People.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:06 pm#100 Daryll
Please refrain from creating false comments about our beloved First Lady.
Okay, so she doesn't drink Margaritas. What does she drink? I'm guessing beer, but she probably doesn't slam 'em down like her mother-in-law.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:08 pm"I can only trust America’s station (Fox News) to deliver the truth."
Funny. Just like you can only trust the bible to deliver the truth. Both Fox News and the bible are created and edited by humans.
"Please refrain from creating false comments about our beloved First Lady."
Please refrain from claiming Laura Bush as being beloved by everyone.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:08 pmThis is Noron.
Follow-up?
She's as empty headed as the person she was interviewing.
The Laurabotâ„¢ must be taking valium by the fist full.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:09 pm“Laura Bush Slams Margaritas While Waiting for Husband’s Term to End.â€
Comment by ForTruth
I'd respect her more if she did.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:11 pmWhat do you expect her to say after all she is married to the idoit. Is insanity catching????????
December 14th, 2006 at 1:15 pmPlease refrain from creating false comments about our beloved First Lady.
Comment by Daryll
Try not to be a complete tool, Daryll.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:15 pmIt's amazing of how when the media reports what's actually happening in Iraq, the Bush spin machine whines and casts blame. There is one person to blame for the Iraq disaster and guess who that is, Laura. I'm waiting!!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:15 pmAs far as the Machine is concerned, the media IS the problem. They do not care about what REALLY happens. They are only concerned with what SEEMS to happen, what APPEARS to happen and what people SAY about these perceptions.
They do not connect to the fact that they are have created and perpetuate a war that is having terrible effects on REAL People.
Comment by elvisgoat — December 14, 2006 @ 1:06 pm
They're concerned about media ratings, shameful! What happened to honest journalism? There has been alot of positive progress in Iraq, but I guess they only care about statistics.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:16 pmIf there's so much good news to report you would think fox would be all over it as would tony snow-job as would all the other right wing talking heads. My goodness.... IT must be another RIGHT WING conspiricy to discredit the POTUS!!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:16 pm"I can only trust America’s station (Fox News) to deliver the truth. "
Fox News is foreign owned.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:17 pmRight, Laura. Things are going wonderfully well in Iraq. Tell that to the family in New Mexico whose son was in the belly of the plane while I flew in first class.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:18 pm#38 Doktor Texas – Well, she is not an Elected Official and a Murderrer like Ted Kennedy. Senetor Kennefys car has killed more people than my gun. I love that line.
#93 BuriedInTheBibleBelt – No, we still love her. The comments are on this site so very few read them.
As for the rest of you wing-nuts. You know the positive things going on in Iraq. Every time an American dies it not just give you creeps a woody, according to Senator Kerry it is the stupid and poor who are soldiers. So the income and intelligence average of all America is going up.
ROTFL
December 14th, 2006 at 1:19 pmDaryll's trying to use humor, or maybe it's his brother Daryll. It takes some getting used to. Daryll, at least your moving beyond fiction writing. Maybe after you look at Iraq and the Chimp and the drooling Laura without the Faux Filter, you could try writing non-fiction.
What is that drool anyway? She had some dropping of her chin. Bad manners girl!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:22 pmWhat happened to honest journalism?
Comment by Daryll
What is your main source for news, Daryll?
December 14th, 2006 at 1:23 pmPlease refrain from creating false comments about our beloved First Lady.
Comment by Daryll
Try not to be a complete tool, Daryll.
Comment by Zooey — December 14, 2006 @ 1:15 pm
I'm not being a tool. The First Lady is very kind and meek. She's also a god-fearing woman. I can't make the same statement about Sen. Hillary Clinton.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:23 pmif laura likes the slaughter of innocent women and babies, then it is good news, for her.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:23 pmthe stupid cow!
#100 Daryll
Please refrain from creating false comments about our beloved First Lady.
Okay, so she doesn’t drink Margaritas. What does she drink? I’m guessing beer, but she probably doesn’t slam ‘em down like her mother-in-law.
Comment by chimpeach — December 14, 2006 @ 1:08 pm
Do you personally know the former First Lady?
December 14th, 2006 at 1:25 pmWhat is your main source for news, Daryll?
Comment by Zooey — December 14, 2006 @ 1:23 pm
NewsWeek, Drudge Report and the book of Revelations.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:29 pmDaryll.. Daryll...
December 14th, 2006 at 1:29 pmthis is your lord calling...
I hope you are on your way to the East, and that you have only stopped off at an Arby's to use the free wireless internet..
Mary is with child, and having no husband, I was hoping this would be enough of a clue for you to recognize the second coming.
Quit hanging around here wasting your time defending worthless Philistines, and get thee to Virginia on that stupid ass of yours.
Please refrain from creating false comments about our beloved First Lady.
Comment by Daryll
Beloved? I might buy her a beer if I thought I had a chance to get into her pants, but beloved? I friggin' think so!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:29 pmSo Happy Guy, what are these positive things of which you speak?
If you had any brotherly love, you would support getting our boys out of Iraq. Your blind faith in the Chimp is f**ing disgusting.
Kerry was making fun of the ShitforBrains in the White House. Kerry actually fought for our country, unlike Bush or you, I would bet.
We have a saying here in Arizona that fits for you Happy Guy,
"chupa la verga"
December 14th, 2006 at 1:32 pmI thought that she might be a tad brighter than her husband, but possibly not.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:33 pmThe Stepford wife is so yesterday!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:33 pmThat's an old argument, and one that has been disproven, yet she hasn't taken it out of her robotic responses.
I have never understood the appeal of this woman. Like all the Bush women, she has made a pact with the devil in return for her status and money. In the beginning of the dope's tenure, she basically said that she and Bushie were in agreement about the future of Roe v. Wade, that it wouldn't and shouldn't go away. Then she was brought back to the shop to have her mind dusted and cleaned, and she has kept her mouth firmly shut on the subject ever since.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:34 pmGet a grip, Laura Bushbag! If the media whores were "fair and balanced", you'd be in a much larger kettle of hot water for your hideous background than you are - vehicular homocide of an ex boyfriend in high school?? Peddling illegal drugs in college? I think the media has been ultra-fair to you, miss goody two shoes. The truth will come out when you exit Penna. avenue and will be plastered all over the tabloids - some of it is appearing now about the drunken tirades and the affairs.....she'll soon get to see first hand how "truthful" the media can be!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:36 pmHappy Guy...do your homework! Meek and kind?? Does a leopard change their spots?? Precisely!! Check out her "spotless" background before making rash judgments which are bogus....vehicular homicide of an ex (accident?? right!), caught dealing dope in college.....expunged records?? It will all come out someday....the Truth always prevails whether we like it or not. Next time, though, before coming on a blog and obviously knowing zilch, please do some homework; that is, if you want to sound like anything but an illiterate troll.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:38 pm#130 - I remember!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:38 pmCan someone please inform the First Lady that even the newly-minted Secretary of Defence has already admitted that the US is not winning the war in Iraq?
Also, it seems she doesn't talk to her husband very often: Pres Bush already said the insurgency in Iraq is "far from being defeated".
Wouldn't these qualify as "bad news" too? Or maybe Sec Gates and Pres Bush spend too much time watching those naysayers on the "liberal media".
December 14th, 2006 at 1:39 pmMiss Goody Two Shoes just made a very serious mistake - she's the pawn of the GOP since they have absolutely no one to puppet right now whom the american public will listen to.....her big mistake is making herself the "new target" because all of the smut surrounding her will be brought to the fore and, at least according to Happy Guy (whose moniker should be Ignorance Is Bliss - hah!) it couldn't happen to a nicer, sweeter gal. What a joke....ahhahahahaha! The truth will prevail and since she's agreed to be front and center, let's all get to look at her "secretly expunged" personal record, shall we?
December 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pmHow vacuous. Oh, and Laura is vacuous too, Happy Guy.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:42 pmNewsWeek, Drudge Report and the book of Revelations.
Comment by Daryll
Oy, I'm sorry I asked, Schmendrick....er, Daryll.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:43 pmShe's a delusional fraud. Let's face it: how could anyone live with an individual so obviously deluded and apart from reality without suffering from the same disease herself? The horse cock joke really turned people's stomachs and gave her "handlers" serious heartburn. She'll never live that one down; in fact, it probably said more about who she really is than this librarian facade of hers. She's another "wolf in sheep's clothing"....what you see is definitely NOT what you get. She's insincere, used as a GOP puppet, and is a mindless, inarticulate, uneducated excuse for a first lady. I'm ashamed of her in public.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:45 pmIf it bleeds it leads.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:47 pmand speaking of Stepford Wife personified....will someone please tell Miss Goody Laura that the burgundy lipstick went out with Nirvana and Tammy Faye! She looks like a train ran over her face these days! Howdy Doody's female counterpart?
December 14th, 2006 at 1:47 pmMiss Goody Two Shoes just made a very serious mistake - she’s the pawn of the GOP since they have absolutely no one to puppet right now whom the american public will listen to…..her big mistake is making herself the “new target†because all of the smut surrounding her will be brought to the fore and, at least according to Happy Guy (whose moniker should be Ignorance Is Bliss - hah!) it couldn’t happen to a nicer, sweeter gal. What a joke….ahhahahahaha! The truth will prevail and since she’s agreed to be front and center, let’s all get to look at her “secretly expunged†personal record, shall we?
Comment by veritas — December 14, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
Veritas, shame on you and other liberal bloggers. The First Lady's personal life shouldn't be considered top priority as far as politics. Have you heard the phase, "That was then, this is now"? Were at war. Our number one priority is victory in Iraq. Oh, tell James Baker and his committee to hide under a rock, we will not surrender!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 1:51 pmTracy sez:
Well, there's certainly no shortage of blood flowing from Iraq. If your trite little truism were as literally accurate as you claim, 99% of all news stories would be about the carnage that is 'Operation Iraqi Freedom'.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:55 pmThe First Lady is very kind and meek. She’s also a god-fearing woman. I can’t make the same statement about Sen. Hillary Clinton. Comment by Daryll
Look in the mirror and ask yourself your own little Freudian Slip: Do you personally know the former First Lady?
BTW, I really don't think you are a tool. That would imply something useful.
December 14th, 2006 at 1:56 pmDaryll sez:
Daryll, are you seriously this stupid, or are you merely doing a brilliant characterture of an idiotic neocon?
I honestly can't tell. If it's the latter, kudos. If it's the former, you seriously need to lay off the Kool-Aid.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:00 pm“That was then, this is now�
Comment by Daryll
So you respect President Clinton now?
December 14th, 2006 at 2:00 pmUh, as someone who does "have a loved one employed there," and who talked to that loved one for an hour last night, Iraq sounds like a disaster. Didn't need the New York Times to tell me that.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:01 pmYou have no way of knowing if your percentage is right because we rarely hear about any of the good things that our troops are doing in Iraq. If the media would actually talk to the troops in Iraq about the public works projects they work on, which I do on a constant basis, they just might make our troops feel good about the hard work they are doing.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:01 pmComment by daryll:
December 14th, 2006 at 2:01 pm" ...The First Lady's personal life shouldn't be considered top priority as far as politics, etc...."
So, is the same to apply to the President?
The First Lady’s personal life shouldn’t be considered top priority as far as politics. Comment by Daryll
Oh, really! You must have been REALLY peeved when President Clinton's and First Lady Clinton's personal lives were nothing BUT top priority for the Republicans. I also bet you wanted Hillary Clinton to just shut up and not comment on policy because she was merely Bill Clinton's wife, even though she has way more political experience and savvy than Laura Bush and George W. Bush put together and doubled.
I'm not sure whether you are more incompetent talking about politics or religion. I guess you are an equal opportunity nonsense-employer.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:03 pmThe good news in Iraq is that the Halliburton and B&R executives are getting richer than ever imagined. Oh wait ! thats the good news the media can't report. Nevermind.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:03 pmDaryll....take your head out of your butt, friend! Then is now and karma is a bitch!
December 14th, 2006 at 2:03 pmFor the record, most americans would welcome President Clinton back with open arms.....how this bungler could take a 3 trillion dollar surplus and convert into a 6 trillion dollar deficit (and mounting daily) is definitely bozo's legacy. Fiscal incompetence has been his forte since his youth....reckless, unaccountable, heartless, charlatan....just some of the many glowing adjectives one can conjure up to describe such a misanthrope.....so many adjectives/so little time.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:06 pmAnd Darryl....when one becomes a "public (pubic) servant, their entire personal life is no longer private"...just so you know!
December 14th, 2006 at 2:06 pmShame yourself, troll-Daryl, for coming on this thread so ill-prepared. Shouldn't you still be in school?
December 14th, 2006 at 2:08 pmTracy
Why are military personell engaged in "public works projects" in the first place? Shouldn't this kind of work be done by engineers and construction workers? Could it be that this "good" work has to be guarded by a weapon because of the highly violent environment? How about we bring our military personell home and send them to repair the Katrina damage as a "public works project"? Maybe this will help them "feel good about the hard work they are doing".
December 14th, 2006 at 2:08 pmHey Daryll what's with the "we" will not surrender. I was in Iraq and I didn't see your chickensh*t a** there! I am sure you are in favor of shedding other people's blood for causes you are to cowardly to participate in, but advocate at the top of you lungs as long as you are safe and sound. Cowards like you make me sick. Long on mouth and short on guts.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:08 pmYou have no way of knowing if your percentage is right because we rarely hear about any of the good things that our troops are doing in Iraq.
Comment by Tracy — December 14, 2006 @ 2:01 pm
Well, if what you really wanted was a "fair" coverage, you should be complaining about the serious under-reporting of the daily violence in Iraq. You know, one of the findings of the Iraq Study Group?
But that is not what you want. You want the media to tell you what you want to hear, namely that everything is a-ok, and that things are going "swimmingly".
December 14th, 2006 at 2:09 pmWouldn't this be a priceless debate: Laura Bush vs. Hillary Clinton?? Hillary would tear her a new you-know-what! Laura doesn't have enough sense to come in out of the rain against Super Hillary....what a asswiping that would be!
December 14th, 2006 at 2:09 pm"La-la-la-la-la ... oh, I like the pretty little flowers in Iraq. La-la-la-la-la"
December 14th, 2006 at 2:10 pm--Laura Bush, commenting on U.S. foreign policy
Tracy = Troll?? Yepparoo!
December 14th, 2006 at 2:12 pmThe good news from Iraq these days is the extraordinarily low levels of unemployment for mortuary assistants and people willing to clear debris and body parts from the streets.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:13 pmNo experience required.
Who the hell wants or cares to hear about what the wives of Presidents think, particularly this one?
The idea of a "first lady" was invented by Republican media operatives. It started with Ronald Regan. Prior to that, wives of the U.S. President were simply known by their first names, and by and large, they did not say much. We were all better off in those days, and we did not have to hear mindless chatter from the clueless.
Finally, Mrs. Bush should remember that her husband was elected (arguably) to office. She was not. She should shut the hell up.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:16 pmOne of the majhor problems about advertising the "good work done by our troops" is that when it's reported on, the anti-American insurgents get a wild hair and attack the places that have been rebuilt.
In fact, a number of Iraqi people have specifically requested that there be no news about the American troops or contractors helping fix (what we destroyed) because then they'd be targeted by the anti-American insurgents.
While there is good news about our helping in the rebuilding, they also never talk about how we were the ones that did some of the destruction to begin with. Go figure.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:22 pmThe idea of a “first lady†was invented by Republican media operatives. It started with Ronald Regan.
Comment by Fisherman — December 14, 2006 @ 2:16 pm
This is not quite true. The name/title has been around longer than that. From the Wikipedia:
The title first gained nationwide recognition in 1877, when newspaper journalist Mary Clemmer Ames referred to Lucy Webb Hayes as "the first lady of the land" while reporting on the inauguration of Rutherford B. Hayes. Mrs. Hayes was a tremendously popular first lady, and the frequent reporting on her activities helped spread use of the title outside Washington.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:29 pmA popular 1911 comedic play by playwright Charles Nirdlinger titled "The First Lady in the Land" cemented use of the title by the general public, and it first entered the dictionary in 1934.
First Lady of the United States
All of a sudden the MSM can't get their facts straight, eh? With all the hell breaking loose in Iraq, to look only on the rosier side of life pretty well indicates someone out of touch with reality.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:29 pm#158
http://www.usace.army.mil/missions/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seabee
December 14th, 2006 at 2:38 pmshe looks and sounds more like an abused spouse, not a co-conspirator.
wanna bet she's seen the working end of the chimperor's wrath more than once?
don't forget he was a nasty drunk, now an unrecovered nasty dry drunk.
seriously, she's not only scorched but expected to defend the indefensible.
but with this interview, her mask has slipped and it can be the start of recovery for her, at least. once this happens, there's no going back without profound consequences to her real self.
now only barney stands between him and his righteous collapse.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#160
"Well, if what you really wanted was a “fair†coverage, you should be complaining about the serious under-reporting of the daily violence in Iraq."
Yes I am sure it would make you feel better if every death in Iraq was reported about in depth so the MSNBC wouldn't be able to report on anything else 24/7. I am sure our troops watch cable news over in Iraq would appreciate it.
"But that is not what you want. You want the media to tell you what you want to hear, namely that everything is a-ok, and that things are going “swimminglyâ€. "
I want the media to give our troops the recognition that DESERVE for helping rebuild Iraq, not just accolades for serving in Iraq....but that's not what you want.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:44 pmWow, Tracy make a fine, rational statment and your first instinct is to call them a Troll. I guess that means you don't want to hear truth or a rational statment that does not fit in your little cool-aid world.
ROTFL - Go get'em Tracy- ROTFL
December 14th, 2006 at 2:49 pmDamn, it's complain-a-thon 2006 in here! Why don't you losers actually DO something to help the world? Oh, that's right. You're too busy complaining. Waaaaaahhhhh.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:50 pmI want the media to give our troops the recognition that DESERVE for helping rebuild Iraq
Comment by Tracy
You mean build a US embassy bigger than the Vatican or 14 permanent military bases, right?
What things are building US troops FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE?
December 14th, 2006 at 2:51 pmHappy Guy,
December 14th, 2006 at 2:54 pmwhy dont you enlist?
Trolls, Yawn.
I'd rather live on Discworld!
December 14th, 2006 at 2:57 pmYes I am sure it would make you feel better if every death in Iraq was reported
Comment by Tracy — December 14, 2006 @ 2:44 pm
What, can't you argue without resorting to strawman arguments? Are you saying the Iraq Study Group also would feel better if every American death were reported? Yeah, those dirty liberals in the ISG...
Again, you seem bent on blocking out anything that doesn't fit with your preconceived notion on how things are going in Iraq. What is wrong with reporting the facts? Suddenly you are not so keen on "we report, you decide".
I want the media to give our troops the recognition that DESERVE for helping rebuild Iraq
But not say anything about the reasons why Iraq needs to be rebuilt in the first place. Interesting.
not just accolades for serving in Iraq….but that’s not what you want.
I've made no statement one way or the other, so you are on your own on that one. Maybe you should stop listening to those voices in your head.
And your arguments are better if you use your own words.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:57 pmI want the media to give our troops the recognition that DESERVE for helping rebuild Iraq
That would be a C-140 landing in front of them, opening the doors and saying, "Time to go home." That is the recognition that they deserve, and the recognition that they desire, so that they don't come home in pieces or in a box. Don't believe me? Then sign yourself up and get over there.
December 14th, 2006 at 2:59 pm"good things happening in Iraq".....
It has got to be all that war profiteering....
December 14th, 2006 at 2:59 pmTracy,
Those links you provided, although good, make emphasis on the military nature of the works both the SeaBees and the Corps of Engineers accomplish.
The question was: Why would the US military be engaged in "public works projects"? You know, "public" as in "civilian"...
December 14th, 2006 at 3:01 pmWhy are journalists afraid ask the Bush's why their daughters aren't serving in Iraq? If the winning this war is so important, shouldn't Barbara and Jenna Bush join the fight?
December 14th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#95 - "I guess you libs didn’t watch Sean Hannity in Iraq."
Comment by Daryll — December 14, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
I guess that "news" was less important than hearing about how Hannity's dating web site is helping conservative married men hook up with other conservative married men. The first Men-looking-for-men post got something like 5,100 responses!
Since you're more than happy to remember Pres. Clinton for his affair with Monica rather than his creating the first surplus budget, you won't mind if we only remember Hannity for his help in encouraging gay sex among married conservative men, right?
http://www.brokennewz.com/displaystory.asp_Q_storyid_E_1496hannitysite
December 14th, 2006 at 3:06 pmThis is easy enough for Laura to confirm. Let's get Airforce One to take her to Baghdad so she can walk amongst the Iraqis in Baghdad and tell them the good news about their neighborhood.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:10 pmI wish the reporters would show more of the projects being completed by our military. Both public and enforcement in nature. I'd like to see benchmarks of all current projects going on Iraq. I'd like to here reporters talking directly to Sadr to get an understanding of what his angle is. I'd like to see reports on death tolls by region and religion.
For Mrs. Bush to complain not enough of the good is being reported on is only half of the story.
Don 't we desreve to hear all of the information regarding Iraq. Put it all out, the good and the bad and let us decide.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:11 pmWhat I find interesting is the fact that they think the only news we all listen to is in the U.S. I guess they haven't yet understood that there are other avenues of information from other parts of the world. Oh well, maybe Santa will fill them in.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:17 pmLaura, Laura, remember what happened to Elena Ceausescu who was lined up alongside her husband Nicolae against the wall at Targoviste, Vlad Dracula's old Wallachian Domain, and liquidated, shot to death, exterminated like the STINKING RATS she and her despot-tyrant husband were! Elena WET HER PANTS with fear and SCREAMED and RAN AROUND and had to be PHYSICALLY RESTRAINED before being SHOT! Laura, YOU and CHIMPya-DUBya-DUHbya EMINENTLY QUALIFY for Elena and Nicolae Ceausescu STATUS, SO YOU HAD BETTER WATCH WHAT YOU SAY AND DO, AND "You Better Watch Out...He's Making A List...Gonna Find Out...Who's Naughty and Nice...He's Knows If You've Been Bad or Good, RETRIBUTION JUSTICE IS COMING TO TOWN!!!!!"
December 14th, 2006 at 3:18 pmLaura is an empty-headed sow. The right-wing love this babbling sperm bank because she represents the weak, vacuous and obedient airheads they love to marry and cheat on. I am sure Daryll and Happy Guy were both raised by and married subservient cows like this. This enabling sack of trash is just what ole Chimpy needed. She is not dumber than him, who is, but she knows when to toe the line, shut up and pass the potatoes. How this clown was ever given any credence is beyond me. I mean her taste in men should disqualify her immediately! As for her twins serving? Given the septic gene pool these morons were raised in it is better they stay behind and help raise Cheney's test tube twit. About the only thing Jenna and Babs are good for is giving "happy endings" after jello shots....just like their mother and granny. Drink and be happy....the Kool-Aid is on me.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:22 pmCould someone *** - PLEASE - *** find her air valve and deflate her?
December 14th, 2006 at 3:23 pmLaura Bush's comments is another example of how insensitive this family is to victims of this fabricated war. The body count of US service personnel and Iraqi citizens should be enough for any thinking person to realize that this administration's policy is not working. Of course, to them, what is another life. There is no way the media can be held responsible for the damages of a war based on fabricated intelligence.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:26 pmSeems we've come full-circle on the "clap harder" meme.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:26 pmLaura claims that there are all these great things happening in Iraq that the media isn't reporting, but she DOESN'T CITE EVEN ONE EXAMPLE!!! (Because there are none). Keep drinking the kool aide Laura.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:31 pm193. Great follow up question that falls into the pit with all the other follow up questions that this "Liberal Media" keep forgetting to ask.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:33 pmRe: daryll's "beloved first lady"
December 14th, 2006 at 3:39 pmIs there such a thing as a "beloathed" First Lady?
Damn, it’s complain-a-thon 2006 in here! Why don’t you losers actually DO something to help the world?
Jimmy, my boy, I am spending all day Sunday at the mall gathering signatures to send to our congressman.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:43 pmSignatures of registered voters on the petition to impeach Bush and Cheney.
Now THAT's something to help the world.
I didn't hear Laura defending her husband "vigorously" as Norah hyperbolized. I guess Laura's under emoting is de rigueur for a Stepford First Lady.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:48 pmAfter readun all the bad things y'all is saying bout my wife I jest want ya ta knowd that in Texas we dun't take kindly to being rude. I been tryin ta do my best but y'all expect purfectuin. I mean I ain't no roket scientest and I never sleept at a hOlidaze Inn butt I is trying. Pleaze doesnt rush me. Dick and eye gots a secreet plan to win this ware. Jest be patientt and send me sum morre of yer kids so I kin polish my legecy and give meself a shiinny medal to keeps on me mantle. Mission nearly accomplished.
December 14th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAre they all in denial? Apparently so. Iraq is like hell on earth. Americans need to leave Iraq; we should not have gone there in the first place. In the meantime, Mrs. Bush has prepared for her very merry Christmas. Her daughters, just like herself and her husband have never been to a war. So how does Mrs. Bush know what is going on?
There is no good news from Iraq. It is a disaster and we need to leave. Now.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:06 pmthis fat cow is too stupid to live.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:10 pmWhat I find interesting is the fact that they think the only news we all listen to is in the U.S. I guess they haven’t yet understood that there are other avenues of information from other parts of the world. Oh well, maybe Santa will fill them in.
Comment by kclaf — December 14, 2006 @ 3:17 pm
Indeed. A lot of Americans understand other languages well enough (or are multi-lingual) to watch/read news from all over the world.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:14 pmlets start showing the good news in iraq by showing the blown up body parts of the american soldiers, lets see the slaughtered women and children of iraq. show the world the censored pictures of dead american soldiers being brought home under cover of darkness.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:16 pmyup, america has a lot of good news concerning iraq and laura bush is a retarded piece of shlt.
Ok, she's a school teacher right? Has she seen the children burned to death by white phosphorus? Has she seen the picture of the little girl standing there looking confused after her parents and brother were all murdered right next to her?
Oh that's right, they're not white so it doesn't matter right Laura? Please.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:32 pmi know moron o'donnell isn't a real journalist, she just plays one on tv. why not ask mrs. bush some real questions? she seems to be as dumb as her husband. most people know someone who is in iraq. my son just recently returned. don't you think that if there were good things to report, that they would be reported? of course they would. the media is not to blame for this one. there is nothing good coming out of iraq. surf the web and go to different news sites around the world, they are much more free with their press and the reports are even worse than what we hear here at home. wake up mrs. b. your old man blew it big time when he lied to send our kids to war. he needs to be held accountable. along with dick if they can find his secret bunker.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:34 pmNext up for comments, the family dog.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:35 pmFor a better view on all the positives going on in Iraq just go to a webcam and see for yourself. Oh, that's right. There aren't any in Iraq.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:40 pmYea, can't show the flag drapped coffins returning to Dover AFB, but be sure to show the fluff from Bagdad. There is something pathologic about the denial of these people especially his lowness Boy King. He is ignoring the mandate from election day. Time to take the government back and throw these loosers under the bus. Impeach the cabal.
December 14th, 2006 at 4:41 pmYet another example of the moronic republican nut house ding bats showing that they are wholly incapable of accepting blame for any of the messes and disasters they create. It's always someone else's fault, don't you know. Goes to show you what kind of weak parenting they had growing up.
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December 14th, 2006 at 5:03 pm#175
"What things are building US troops FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE?"
http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/cepa/corpspoints/7-10-06.htm
December 14th, 2006 at 5:28 pmI hear she likes designer shoes. A librarian can't afford designer shoes, so she learned a long time ago to put up with Idiot in order to have what she craves. Sad, very sad.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:33 pm#178
"Again, you seem bent on blocking out anything that doesn’t fit with your preconceived notion on how things are going in Iraq."
And you accuse me of strawman arguments? LOL!
"But not say anything about the reasons why Iraq needs to be rebuilt in the first place. Interesting."
After a war countries need to be rebuilt. BTW Iraq was in pathetic shape prior to the invasion.
"I’ve made no statement one way or the other, so you are on your own on that one. Maybe you should stop listening to those voices in your head."
Maybe you should make one...one way or the other, that way we would know if you actually appreciate the good things that the troops are doing in Iraq for the decent segment of the Iraqi population, not to mention putting their bodies between them and the blood thirsty militias.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:35 pm#179
I agree that would be the ultimate form of appreciation for their accomplishments....however they know that their job there isn't done yet and it would be insulting to them to leave with out finishing what they started. Don't belive me? I have friends in Iraq right now who want to stay, not because they enjoy being there, but until they finish their job.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:39 pmOne of the things that really burns Laura is that the Iraqis EAT CAKE every day and it is not reported.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:40 pmCIVIL WAR the GOOD news in Iraq.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:47 pmSo Tracy, you think it's a good thing to put an American body between the Iraqis and militias? The rightwing fascination with other people's kids death is a disgusting sight.
I assume you are an American, I would think that maybe you should volunteer to catch the next bullet in your teeth and not one of our fine soldiers.
But you are too much of a dripping pussy for that aren't you? It's more fun to hit the keys on your keyboard, they don't hit back. How I would love to meet you trolls at the park.
December 14th, 2006 at 5:51 pm#174 jim heath
Damn, it’s complain-a-thon 2006 in here! Why don’t you losers actually DO something to help the world? Oh, that’s right. You’re too busy complaining. Waaaaaahhhhh.
Was that a complaint?
December 14th, 2006 at 6:04 pmAnd you accuse me of strawman arguments? LOL!
Comment by Tracy — December 14, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
Yes, I do.
Everytime anything resembling bad news about Iraq, you come here complaining that too much focus and time is spent on them and that no enough good news are reported -which is another way of saying you don't want to hear the bad news.
It's not a strawman, it is a conclusion from what you post.
After a war countries need to be rebuilt. BTW Iraq was in pathetic shape prior to the invasion.
May I remind you this was a war of choice. As bad as Iraq was prior to the invasion, I am afraid it's taken a turn for the worse: There are about 1.5M Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries now, and about as many displaced internally. All this, on top of the worsening living conditions troughout Iraq.
that way we would know if you actually appreciate the good things that the troops are doing in Iraq for the decent segment of the Iraqi population,
It puzzles me why you would construe any criticism of the Pres Bush's misguided policies as an indictement of the soldiers on the ground.
The presence of Amerian troops in Iraq is not helping stem the violence. On the contrary, it's making it worse. The reason being that the current policy, and strategy are obviously flawed: Iraqis have already said time and again they think American presence in their country makes things worse and that they want foreigners to leave.
not to mention putting their bodies between them and the blood thirsty militias.
The same militias that are jokeying for power after the vacuum left by the dismantlement of the Iraqi state by Bremer. The same militias that US military planners have used to divide Iraqi society in their quest to "quelch the insurgency": Sunnis vs Shi'as, Kurd vs Sunnis... this can only stoke the sectarian passions and the flames of the civil war.
I don't want the soldiers to put their bodies anywhere but in their homes with their loved ones. Why would you want them anywhere else?
December 14th, 2006 at 6:08 pmTha most important thing for which to hold L. Bush responsible is the fact that in six years she hasn't seen even ONE issue to espouse. She has had a free pass to do something meaningful and has frittered it away. There must be at least one issue which is not political and which the handlers would have allowed her to champion. Her lack of interest in the world and its problems is horrifying.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:17 pmI'm convinced. She's the Stepford First Lady.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:30 pmNow I know what I'd only suspected. Laura is the Stepford First Lady.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:31 pm#181
"The question was: Why would the US military be engaged in “public works projectsâ€? You know, “public†as in “civilianâ€â€¦"
The US Corps of Engineers and the Seabees are the go to people for reconstruction efforts during or after a time of war. The guys were called in after WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. Civilian contractors like Haliburton do work in Iraq but they can't do it all especially in a hostile environment like Iraq.
http://www.hq.usace.army.mil/cepa/corpspoints/7-10-06.htm
December 14th, 2006 at 6:31 pmDecember 14th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
#217
"So Tracy, you think it’s a good thing to put an American body between the Iraqis and militias?"
No.
"But you are too much of a dripping pussy for that aren’t you? It’s more fun to hit the keys on your keyboard, they don’t hit back. How I would love to meet you trolls at the park."
Anytime you are ready...boy.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:35 pmWhy would you want them anywhere else?
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 14, 2006 @ 6:08 pm
Because he thinks that it's better them than him. He's the worst kind of coward.
He's consistently wrong about every point of view he defends, and never has the conscious to consider what his irrational fear is doing to harm others.
He'll thump his chest in response, but that will be it. He has nothing, because he is nothing. And the fact that he knows this is the reason he comes here in the first place. Appalling.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:37 pmIF THINGS ARE SO GOOD IN IRAQ, WHY ARE THERE NO BUSHES IN IRAQ. THE TWINS ARE BEING THROWN OUT OF A COUNTRY FOR BAD BEHAVIOR. A COUNTRY THAT HARBORED NAZI WAR CRIMINALS FOR GOSH SAKES! THEY SHOULD GO TO IRAQ AND HIGHLIGHT THE GOOD NEWS. MAYBE GEORGE P. AND NOELL (IF SHE'S OFF OF DRUGS NOW) COULD GO TO IRAQ AND SET THE COUNTRY STRAIGHT. WHAT IS LAURA SMOKING?????
December 14th, 2006 at 6:37 pmThere is no good news you dumb idiot. The situation is dire and your moron husband won't change his course.
Least she could do is try and make something up.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:53 pm"Anytime you are ready...boy"
I like being a male, doesn't bother me a bit. Thanks for the recognition. Still dripping are we Tracy?
I don't like, in fact I despise the rightwing c*nts that rise up in arms to defend the Chimp. Make no mistake, this is not America's war, this is Bush's war. Soldiers are dying and being blown apart because to protect the ego of that subhuman POS?
Get a life Tracy, be somebody instead of an apologist for a loser.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:57 pmCivilian contractors like Haliburton do work in Iraq but they can’t do it all especially in a hostile environment like Iraq.
Comment by Tracy — December 14, 2006 @ 6:31 pm
Even in Iraq, Halliburton and Bechtel have managed to get several rebuilding contracts. During this reconstruction "effort" several billions of dollars (yes, billions with a 'b') have gone MIA. Last I recall, it was around $9B.
Halliburton was found to have overbilled the military for something like 40,000 meals, not to mention the contaminated water they provided to the soldiers. Bechtel has also seen a windfall come out of this occupation.
As PLC said: How about we bring our military personell home and send them to repair the Katrina damage as a “public works projectâ€? Maybe this will help them “feel good about the hard work they are doingâ€.
I would add: And save a lot of money and lives.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:00 pmHow many women out there love their husbands enough to stand up for them against all odds. Or do you only stand up for him when he does something right.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:08 pmgolly Laura, what are you smokin'!???? must be great s***! The only person on earth who appears to awake while asleep 24/7!
December 14th, 2006 at 7:09 pmI guess you libs didn’t watch Sean Hannity in Iraq. The media loves to downplay positive progress in Iraq, shame on them! I can only trust America’s station (Fox News) to deliver the truth.
Comment by Daryll — December 14, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
Daryll,
I waited 7 weeks between April and June for Fox News to post some good news on the front page of their Web site. I checked it every day for 7 weeks for the "thousands of good news stories" people were saying existed. The only thing posted was news about Iraq's new cabinet being chosen. That was it.
Care to peruse their archives and post some links for the good news stories?
Also, maybe you'd like to tell us why our State Dept. told CBS News that they didn't want the press reporting the good stories, because if, say, a new school or hospital opened up and it was reported, the terrorists would go blow it up.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:12 pmThe media loves to downplay positive progress in Iraq, shame on them! I can only trust America’s station (Fox News) to deliver the truth.
Comment by Daryll — December 14, 2006 @ 12:51 pm
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Please refrain from creating false comments about our beloved First Lady.
Comment by Daryll — December 14, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
Yeah...you're one to talk about false comments.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:16 pmLaura sounds like a Mafia wife sticking by her man because he brings home the fur coats.
-GSD
December 14th, 2006 at 7:16 pmHow many women out there love their husbands enough to stand up for them against all odds. Or do you only stand up for him when he does something right.
Comment by nullPat
And how many women "out there" are married to a war criminal, and as such, desperate to shift blame to anyone but the twit they hitched?
December 14th, 2006 at 7:17 pm#219
"Everytime anything resembling bad news about Iraq, you come here complaining that too much focus and time is spent on them and that no enough good news are reported -which is another way of saying you don’t want to hear the bad news. "
That is YOUR BS conclusion and a naive one at that. I have made it very clear that I would like the media to report, even A LITTLE, on the good things that our military is doing in Iraq. I don't want it to replace the important new about U.S. and Iraqi casualties, but at least give the WHOLE picture about what is going on over there.
"It’s not a strawman, it is a conclusion from what you post."
It's no different from you suggesting that I don't want to hear bad news. I didn't say it, you just took it upon yourself to conclude it.
"May I remind you this was a war of choice. As bad as Iraq was prior to the invasion, I am afraid it’s taken a turn for the worse:"
No, I don't need to be reminded, but you might need to be reminded that the Iraqis are doing little to help their own situation.
"It puzzles me why you would construe any criticism of the Pres Bush’s misguided policies as an indictement of the soldiers on the ground. "
Because most of the soldiers serving in Iraq today believe in what they are doing over there. Again I have friends in Iraq right now that tell me all the time that they believe in what they are doing. You make it sound like they are being forced to join. Most of the enlisted soldiers today in Iraq are committed to a minimum of two years with four being the norm. Considering we are are approaching our fourth year after the invasion, most of the troops serving are either new recruits that joined after the invasion or they are people who have re-enlisted after the invasion began. BTW I am not in agreement with Bush's policies and the way this post invasion has been conducted, but I am for the premise of what we are attempting to do in Iraq which you aren't. Each to his own.
"The presence of Amerian troops in Iraq is not helping stem the violence. On the contrary, it’s making it worse."
I agree that attacks on U.S. soldiers are a result of their presence, but Iraqis killing other Iraqis is not the fault of our soldiers.
"The same militias that US military planners have used to divide Iraqi society in their quest to “quelch the insurgencyâ€:"
And where is your proof that US military planners are using the militas in Iraq to stomp out the insurgency? The militas ARE the insurgency.
"I don’t want the soldiers to put their bodies anywhere but in their homes with their loved ones. Why would you want them anywhere else? "
Of course you don't, you don't think that those in the military should have to ever be put in harms way or the most novel of ideas....protecting the U.S. So I guess you would have been against sending troops and landing at Normandy? BTW I would like it if all of our troops did was train (my brother is in the USAF), but in reality you know that isn't possible.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:18 pmUnbelievable,
I am almost to the point where I don't know how to explain my position regarding Iraq to these "conservatives" anymore.
My point boils down to very simple principles: The war was one of choice. The reason for the invasion was found to be false. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. For the American to be stationed in Iraq is only a perpetuation of a criminal policy, that dictates Pres Bush can single-handledly decide against whom to launch a "pre-emptive" strike based on his word alone. The military occupation must end so Iraqi society can begin to heal.
These conservatives will act tough, posture when talking about the poor's lack of personal responsibility, will advocate terminating those pesky "entitlement programs", but have no compunctions about sending people to die so they can feel safe and protected. This war is the most horrifying psychological welfare program conservatives have concocted for themselves.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:19 pm#226
"Because he thinks that it’s better them than him. He’s the worst kind of coward."
You are a coward also. Your pacifist argument is total BS BTW.
"He’s consistently wrong about every point of view he defends..."
According to who? You? You're nobody. May I remind you and everyone here that you are no better or worse that I am or anyone here. You attempt to set yourself on a pedistal but it doesn't work and can't.
"And the fact that he knows this is the reason he comes here in the first place. Appalling"
I find it appalling that the reason you come here is to get others to praise your statements. A form of self gratification to the Nth degree. Other than that I just your personal bitching blog.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:28 pm#230
"How about we bring our military personell home and send them to repair the Katrina damage as a “public works project�"
I would love to do it also, but I know you are up to speed about situation in Iraq and you know that isn't possible right now. Or are you? Or do you even comprehend what would happen if were to pull out now? None of the experts are calling for an immediate withdrawl BTW. Unless you can name one.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:39 pmI am almost to the point where I don’t know how to explain my position regarding Iraq to these “conservatives†anymore.
I think they don't want to hear your perspective because it makes sense. And if they hear stuff that makes sense, it's confusing. So they just collectively lump us into one pot that they label with words like 'traitor' and 'evil' and the sort, so that they can rationalize that we can't possibly have valid viewpoints. Because if we do - they must confront the reality that they are the very thing they claim to hate.
My point boils down to very simple principles: The war was one of choice. The reason for the invasion was found to be false. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. For the American to be stationed in Iraq is only a perpetuation of a criminal policy, that dictates Pres Bush can single-handledly decide against whom to launch a “pre-emptive†strike based on his word alone. The military occupation must end so Iraqi society can begin to heal.
I get it. Makes sense to me. And before I met you, I came to a similar conclusion myself. It's no coincidence when reality has a very liberal bias.
I've been reading 'Propaganda and the Public Mind" interviewswith Noam Chomsky. It's a bit out-of-date, but the principals still apply. And he says virtually the very same thing about America sending the world a message that we are madmen who will strike indiscriminantly - so don't f with us. It's unconscionable what our politicians are doing to protect their interests at the expense of human lives. There is no peace with these madmen at the helm.
These conservatives will act tough, posture when talking about the poor’s lack of personal responsibility, will advocate terminating those pesky “entitlement programsâ€, but have no compunctions about sending people to die so they can feel safe and protected. This war is the most horrifying psychological welfare program conservatives have concocted for themselves.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 14, 2006 @ 7:19 pm
You are the voice of reason. And that scares the hell out of people who never learned how to think for themselves.
I know we've had many conversations about this. And you know it's why I left architecture to teach. I'm almost at the end of my first semester in my new school and because I had the freedom this year to design my own curriculum, I am thrilled to tell you that I kept my promises to you, to all of us - and there are several dozen Georgia teenagers who have now been exposed to reality, taught how to have credible arguments through logic and evidence, developed critical thinking skills and healthy skepticism, as well as been exposed to many different cultures, customs and people from around the world. And they've learned that 'right' is subjective.
Most of them will be back next semester, so it's only the half-way point.
I don't know what this will do in the long term, if anything, but perhaps these few people will make a difference long after we are gone. I don't know. I just know that trying has been better than wondering.
Thanks for your support with this and your suggestions. It's too late for people like Tracy - but I still have much hope for the kids to change the world.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:43 pmThe woman is vapid, at best.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:43 pmYou are a coward also. Your pacifist argument is total BS BTW.
As usual, from you, zero substantiation of your straw men...
I didn't make a Pacifist argument. But deflecting is one of your usual tricks tohide the fact that you are a scared little boy who will kill innocent people to feel better about himself.
And that gas prices are going up...
And that you were wrong about the death toll in Iraq being 35,000 (or the Bush Regime wouldn't have kept it secret).
According to who? You?
According to reality, Tracy. I realize you aren't familiar with it - but it doesn't change the fact that it's so.
You’re nobody.
You're projecting again.
May I remind you and everyone here that you are no better or worse that I am or anyone here. You attempt to set yourself on a pedistal but it doesn’t work and can’t.
I didn't set myself on a pedestal - I pointed out your cowardace. I see that reality makes you all angry and temper-tantrumish as well. Not surprised. You pitch fits and call them arguments. It's amusing, really.
I find it appalling that the reason you come here is to get others to praise your statements.
Arrogance is that you think you know why I am here, and are so very, very wrong (further proof to my factual statement above).
A form of self gratification to the Nth degree. Other than that I just your personal bitching blog.
Comment by Tracy — December 14, 2006 @ 7:28 pm
Says the biggest bitch of all.... LOL. That was hilarious Tracy. No matter how many times you try to project your issues on to us, it still is really funny that you haven't found any new material yet.
Truly pathetic.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:51 pmI suppose that since such great things are happening in Iraq Jen and Babs will be partying there soon.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:52 pmat least give the WHOLE picture about what is going on over there.
Comment by Tracy — December 14, 2006 @ 7:18 pm
Good. Let's hear it all. Everything, and let's stop accusing others of being gleeful when American casualties are reported. That is such a cheap shot.
Also, you'd think FauxNews would be all over the good news, wouldn't you?
you might need to be reminded that the Iraqis are doing little to help their own situation.
I tend to believe Iraqis might see it as "collaborating", and so make them less inclined to join in.
Because most of the soldiers serving in Iraq today believe in what they are doing over there.
Good they have something to believe in. Too bad their leadership has failed them. This is not about whether or not they believe in their mission, but the fact that the task given to them is beyond what they can accomplish. It is not a problem of execution, but one of effective leadership. Or lack thereof.
I don't know how I make it sound like they are forced to join. What I have been saying all along is that the policy is obviously flawed. The war did not need to happen. Those Iraqis, and those American soldiers did not need to be wounded, maimed, and killed.
As if starting a war on false pretenses was not bad enough, now we have people advocating the occupation continues.
And where is your proof that US military planners are using the militas in Iraq to stomp out the insurgency? The militas ARE the insurgency.
I mangled the wording. What I was trying to say is that when the Sunni recruits refused to cooperate, Kurds and Shi'as were brought in to fight in Sunni regions. When Shi'as refused to cooperate, Kurds would be brought in to fight in Shi'a areas, and so on. But it just so happens that the police, the recruits the US military are training are throuroughly infitrated by the militias. All of this has been widely reported.
This is divisive for Iraqi society. It stokes sectarian resentment. When the population receives heavy-handed treatment at the hands of the "others", retaliation quickly ensues. This has also been reported.
Effectively, what we have are sectarian militias fighting each other under the guise of fighting the "insurgency".
So I guess you would have been against sending troops and landing at Normandy?
See, this is a strawman and is wholly different from a conclusion: I have never even hinted that I am anti-war. How do you go from "I think the best course of action in Iraq is withdrawal" to "You would have been against involvement in WWII" is beyond me.
Plus, there is a huge difference between the two: WWII was not a war of choice. The war in Iraq is.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:55 pmCome on folks. If you gave Sean Hannity 3 hours a day like I do, you'd know of all the wonderful things going on in Iraq.
(I just wonder how many pairs of briefs that little shit went through during that propoganda jaunt with Rummy.)
December 14th, 2006 at 8:28 pmHow many women out there love their husbands enough to stand up for them against all odds. Or do you only stand up for him when he does something right.
Comment by nullPat — December 14, 2006 @ 7:08 pm
null- when it comes to mass murder and mayhem I would hope "None"-"Null"-"Nada". If Eva came out and said -He's really a great guy it's just the media what would you think?
December 14th, 2006 at 8:39 pmActually, the media should take take a major part of the blame for this fiasco.
They did a good job to make 3/4 of America support the war in March 2003.
Yes, support was that high. War approval was as high as 79% on May 1, 2003 (CNN/USAToaday/Gallup poll). Look it up. The internet doesn't have selective memory like many so-called antiwar people today. Still don't believe me? try this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A1155-2003May16
I can't stand people who now pretend they have been against war all along, but were in favor of it in 2002/2003. They make a wishy-washy sound when they walk.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:54 pmRed the Eric; I REALLY was against the war BEFORE the first shot was fired and was denounced as unpatriotic and should leave the country by some of my co-workers(who never served a day in the military themselves). Events have shown that the critics were right all along. WE TOLD YOU SO.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:49 pmLaura Bush: Stepford wife.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:51 pmLaura, you ignorant slut!
December 14th, 2006 at 9:57 pmre-reading the "The Great Gatsby" - Let's see:
all about the damage the "Privileged Class" do.
Daisy runs over someone and Gatsby takes the fall.
She leaves_ others clean up her mess.
Laura was supposed to read this, did she think it
December 14th, 2006 at 10:02 pmwas a how-to manual?
Tracy and Daryll-Would you two please post links to all the good news in Iraq?-I can't find it. A year ago Fox news? said they were tired of the "liberal" press not reporting the goods news in Iraq and so they would each day. I keep watching and nada- Fox is owned by a zillion-air why can't his reporters walk around Iraq and report all the great stuff going on outside the "Green Zone"?. Why dosen't O'Rielly move his show to Baghdad or Rush or Drudge or Coulter ? Why? Things are really going just swimingly there. Why can't you two produce? This should be simple, I'm with you two and Laura, let's get the good news out.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:24 pm[...] Think Progress contrasts Laura Bush’s recent argument that the media are failing to report all of the good things that are happening to this excerpt from the Iraq Study Group: [...]
December 14th, 2006 at 10:24 pmYou righties are really f*cking stupid. Fox whines about the lack of positive stories out of Iraq...and yet...they can't come up with any either. It is amazing how stupid people can be.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:56 pmYou righties are really f*cking stupid. Fox whines about the lack of positive stories out of Iraq…and yet…they can’t come up with any either. It is amazing how stupid people can be.
Comment by JPark — December 14, 2006 @ 10:56 pm
Dude...I've been preaching this since late April. Doubt we'll get any response from the righties, but it sure as hell is fun trying.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:03 pmThe only one dumber than that "Cowardly Cowboy" W in The Whitehouse is the dimwit that sleeps with him. God bless America "cause you can't fix stupid"...
December 14th, 2006 at 11:05 pmTo Tracy and Daryll and any other whiney-ass rightwingers who complain that there's not enough good news coming out of Iraq, go watch the video at the link below, and then STFU.
Link.
Next, as requested by myself and others in this thread, I want links to news articles in FoxNews.com's online archives to all the good news stories coming out of Iraq over the last 6 months. If you can't produce, then, again, just STFU.
As for the others here, please reference Lara Logan's report whenever the opportunity presents itself. Which apparently is going to be rather often.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:09 pmShe sound more like her mother-in-law Barby every day. Good news...only if you think killing innocent Iraqi and American soldiers is good news. Or if you think that the current deficit is good news. Or if you think that decreasing the rights of American citizens is good news. Good news would be that she sees the light and backs impeaching her incompetent, selfish, immoral husband...
December 14th, 2006 at 11:19 pm#256 You think we can all pool our money and buy all of these sofa-warriors a one way ticket and they can blog about how Iraq might as well be renamed Nirvana?
December 14th, 2006 at 11:27 pmCould this mark the beginning of the end? Georgie said he didn't care if Laura and his dog were the only ones supporting him, he would stay the course...She appears to be as much a fool as he is.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:34 pmThe only way we are going to be able to end this madness is to impeach Bush and Cheney as soon as possible.
You just know that Laura is smoking even more butts than usual out on the back porch of the White House these days. What with George's poll numbers in the toilet, the twins ho-ing it up South of the Border, and her father-in-law not so subtly casting a vote of no confidence by sending in his minions, Laura's glassy-eyed smile may be just about ready to crack.
And you know what I bet will be the last straw? Christmas with MAMA BUSH!!! You ain't SEEN sectarian warfare till you've seen Laura and Bar go Iraqi on each other.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:22 am[...] And now Laura Bush wants to blame G.W.’s low numbers on the media!! It is not encouraging coverage for sure. There’s no doubt about it. But I do know that there are a lot of good things that are happening that aren’t covered. And I think that the drum beat in the country from the media, from the only way people know what is happening unless they happened to have a loved one deployed there, is discouraging. [...]
December 15th, 2006 at 12:32 amIs this the same media that led the drum beat to war with the WMD lies?
December 15th, 2006 at 1:12 amI don't recall all the details, but wasn't construction recently permanently halted, after the misuse of millions of $, on a (children's?) hospital in Iraq that Laura had supposedly been very interested in? Yes, dear such good news and all sorts of wonderful things being constructed.
December 15th, 2006 at 7:09 amthe chimp and the chimpette deserve each other.
December 15th, 2006 at 8:17 amWow! Pollyanna grew up and became first lady. Good for her.
December 15th, 2006 at 10:21 amwaiting for the list of the good things being done in iraq.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:05 pmStunning how disconnected these people are. Stunning and dangerous.
December 15th, 2006 at 1:16 pmSounds like Laura Ingraham, et. al a few years ago. They trot this out every so often. It is, of course, ridiculous. Bush will never pull out of Iraq, forget it. If he pulls out, then his "legacy" will be as a complete and total failure. He will force the next president to pull them out or the Congress will have to shut the spigot.
December 15th, 2006 at 3:33 pm#238
"I didn’t make a Pacifist argument."
You have called/ described yourself a pacifist in other discussions we have had. Think back in history.
"I didn’t set myself on a pedestal - I pointed out your cowardace."
Your opinion is not reality. Remember you are but a speck of dust here, like me.
"Arrogance is that you think you know why I am here, and are so very, very wrong (further proof to my factual statement above)."
Why are you here?
"Says the biggest bitch of all…. LOL. That was hilarious Tracy."
Another opinion. BTW we established they you took the cake on that title a long time ago. Other that complaining all the time here about conservatives and republicans...what else do you do? Solutions to domestic problems? No. Solutions to international problems? No. Even if you would suggest a solution to anything would be a start.
BTW wouldn't I have to be female to be the biggest bitch of all?
December 15th, 2006 at 3:57 pm#241
"Everything, and let’s stop accusing others of being gleeful when American casualties are reported. That is such a cheap shot."
When did I accuse others of being such?
"Also, you’d think FauxNews would be all over the good news, wouldn’t "you?"
Like all the reporters over in Iraq the won't go outside the Green Zone, reporting on good things in Iraq would require them to be put in danger. It isn't going to happen.
"I tend to believe Iraqis might see it as “collaboratingâ€, and so make them less inclined to join in. "
That's a good point. The insurgency isn't really fighting against occupation they don't want their own people to rebel against them by investing in their own future. The insurgency is just like the mob was back in the '70s and '80s. Use fear to keep the locals in line.
"What I have been saying all along is that the policy is obviously flawed."
I agree that the execution of the policy has failed, but the premise of the policy is noble. Regardless of is the policy had produced good results wouldn't make a difference to you or most here because you were against premise of establishing a democratic Iraq. Would you be still crying fowl if the situation in Iraq was going well both for the Iraq's and the U.S.?
"See, this is a strawman and is wholly different from a conclusion: I have never even hinted that I am anti-war."
Then you need to do a better job of not "mangling" your words or say what you really mean. You said the following....
“I don’t want the soldiers to put their bodies anywhere but in their homes with their loved ones. Why would you want them anywhere else? â€
"WWII was not a war of choice."
OK, what about WW1? We weren't attacked then, but we chose to intervene on behalf of our allies. What about the Korean War? Ect.... They were all wars of choice.
December 15th, 2006 at 4:14 pmKieth Olbermann usually has some "good" news for Mr Bush.
Tell Laura that Kieth's "good" news is on tonight at 7:00 o'clock on MSNBC.
It'll brighten up her day, it does mine.
December 15th, 2006 at 6:18 pmSounds just like her mother-in-law at the Super Dome.
December 15th, 2006 at 6:56 pmYou have called/ described yourself a pacifist in other discussions we have had. Think back in history.
So?
Your opinion is not reality. Remember you are but a speck of dust here, like me.
You're definitely a speck of dust.
But my opinion is based on reality - which you refuse to acknowledge.
Why are you here?
To discuss current affairs in politics with others.
You?
Another opinion. BTW we established they you took the cake on that title a long time ago.
You're thinking of yourself again... Because that's all you ever do.
Other that complaining all the time here about conservatives and republicans…what else do you do? Solutions to domestic problems? No. Solutions to international problems? No. Even if you would suggest a solution to anything would be a start.
I routinely offer solutions. Again, I'm the one who left Corporate America to teach. And you can deny it all you want, but educating young people is a solution. A much better one than your "solution" of killing innocent Iraqis.
BTW wouldn’t I have to be female to be the biggest bitch of all?
Comment by Tracy — December 15, 2006 @ 3:57 pm
Aren't you?
December 15th, 2006 at 7:05 pmOK, what about WW1? We weren’t attacked then, but we chose to intervene on behalf of our allies....
Would you be still crying fowl(SIC) if the situation in Iraq was(SIC) going well both for the Iraq’s and the U.S.?
Comments by Tracy
First from wikipedia, on how the US got involved in World War I:
"After German submarines attacked several American merchant ships, sinking three, Wilson requested that Congress declare war on Germany, which it did on April 6, 1917.[11] The U.S. House of Representatives approved the war resolution 373-50, the U.S. Senate 82-6, with opposition coming especially from German American districts such as Wisconsin. The U.S. declared war on Austria-Hungary in December 1917."
BTW, "fowl" means a domesticated bird like a chicken, turkey, etc. The correct spelling for what I think you were trying to say is "foul," and your clause starting with if is the subjunctive case and requires "were" even though the subject is singular.
December 15th, 2006 at 8:54 pmAnd please don't bother telling me that my "grammer(SIC) sucks," as you did on another thread. First of all, someone who doesn't even know how to spell "grammar" shouldn't be talking about it. Secondly, I didn't feel like bragging then about something that happened a long time ago when you started criticizing my "grammer," but the last time I took a Board of Education-administered city-wide grammar test, I completed it in about half the alloted time and received the highest score possible: 100. As for what you call "grammer," I really have better things to do than learn about it.
Ps
well both for the Iraq’s(SIC) and the U.S.?
Comment by Tracy
Ps. "Iraq's" with an apostrophe is the possessive form of Iraqi, such as in "that Iraqi's house." If you want to write about Iraqis in the plural sense, it is simply "Iraqis" without the apostrophe before the "s."
December 15th, 2006 at 9:02 pmMrs. Bush is welcomed to use her air time during these public interviews to share some of these "many good things" that are happening rather than merely continuing the negative drumbeat she's complaining about. But I think it would take some imagination on her part to come up with something to back up her statement. And frankly, the White House is losing its creative writers, led by Karl Rove, along with its credibility. So I wish Mrs. Bush would stop insulting the American people. I could say the media is finally doing its job but really it's just doing whatever is currently popular. And now, telling the truth is popular. Let's face it, if the media was doing its job, her interviewer would have asked "what good things are you talking about Mrs. Bush?" That would have been priceless.
December 15th, 2006 at 9:51 pmLike all the reporters over in Iraq the won’t go outside the Green Zone, reporting on good things in Iraq would require them to be put in danger. It isn’t going to happen.
Comment by Tracy — December 15, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
Oh, bullshit. Is this your latest trick, channeling Laura Ingraham?
How typically convenient you chose to ignore my reference to the State Department refusing to let the reporters tell us the good stories.
December 15th, 2006 at 11:20 pmDear Tracy:
"A CBS News correspondent was critically injured and her two-person crew killed Monday when the Baghdad military unit in which they were imbedded was attacked. Kimberly Dozier, 39, sustained serious injuries in the attack and underwent surgery at a U.S. military hospital in Baghdad, the network reported. She is in critical condition, but doctors are cautiously optimistic about her prognosis."
Cameraman Paul Douglas and soundman James Brolan, both London-based, were killed.
ABC News anchor Bob Woodruff and a cameraman were seriously injured Sunday in an explosion while reporting from Iraq, the network said Sunday.Woodruff and cameraman Doug Vogt were hit by an improvised explosive device near Taji, Iraq, and were in serious condition at a U.S. military hospital, ABC News President David Westin said. The two were embedded with the 4th Infantry Division and traveling with an Iraqi Army unit...
You can find the above sourced from Crooksandliars.com if you use that nifty little feature called "search."
I'm sure you also are familiar with the names David Bloom and Jill Carroll. Gosh, I don't think they were inside the Green Zone when they experienced their respective fates.
So spare me the bullshit, OK?
December 15th, 2006 at 11:45 pmWC,
December 16th, 2006 at 7:09 amThank you for providing some details for trolls who feign ignorance or are truly ignorant about reporters who have been killed or seriously injured outside the Green Zone in Iraq. And it's not just American reporters; I believe some Brit and Italian ones were also killed. Moreover, I know for sure that two Japanese freelancers and their Arab interpreter were killed in 2004; only their driver was allowed to live.
Comment by Lora — December 16, 2006 @ 7:09 am
No problem. Anyone who has been paying any attention to this "war" should know of these incidents. As with many people, I think Tracy does, yet he has a selective memory.
One comment about the "good news" stories: I am pleased that there are good things happening in Iraq. However, that new school or new hospital opening just isn't quite worth 2900+ American deaths, not to speak of the 20,000 or so injured. Iraq was not a threat to us. Period. Colin Powell and Condi Rice will back me up on that.
December 16th, 2006 at 11:33 pmI agree that the execution of the policy has failed, but the premise of the policy is noble.
Comment by Tracy — December 15, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I disagree that Iraq was invaded because the Bush administration had good intentions towards Iraq or Iraqis. The war was not about them, but about the US: It was meant to rid Hussein of WMD (the stated main rationale for the war), and hence make the US safe.
Regardless of is the policy had produced good results wouldn’t make a difference to you or most here because you were against premise of establishing a democratic Iraq.
Notice again the difference between a conclusion and a strawman argument. I have never said I am against democracy in Iraq. What I have said time and again is that democracy cannot be exported, let alone at gun point.
Plus, as I stated previously, the main rationale for the invasion was ridding Hussein's regime of its WMD, not regime change. This is what was repeated during the run-up to the invasion.
Not to mention a unilateral military intervention aimed at regime change is contrary to international law.
Would you be still crying fowl if the situation in Iraq was going well both for the Iraq’s and the U.S.?
Let's not engage in hypotheticals when reality is staring us right in the face. A more appropriate question is: Are you in favor of continuing the occupation given the disaster it's proving to be, for both the US and Iraq?
Then you need to do a better job of not “mangling†your words or say what you really mean. You said the following….
“I don’t want the soldiers to put their bodies anywhere but in their homes with their loved ones. Why would you want them anywhere else? â€
Shheeessh..... I most certainly didn't mangle my words in this one. You were talking specifically about Iraq, and I was replying to that. Have you forgotten already? I can't believe I have to spell it out for you:
I don't want the soldiers currently in Iraq to put their bodies anywhere but in their homes with their loved ones. Why would you want them to stay there?
I am opposed to the war in Iraq and that is why I want the soldiers out of that hell hole. There is no logical way to conclude from that statement that I am opposed to all wars.
OK, what about WW1? We weren’t attacked then, but we chose to intervene on behalf of our allies. What about the Korean War? Ect…. They were all wars of choice.
WWI was not a war of choice. Other posters have pointed out Germany U-Boats sank American merchant ships.
As for Korea, the war did not start as an American pre-emptive strike, did it? Iraq is the first war in which the US has declared itself above international law, and free to attack any country that might be perceived as a threat, whether real or not.
December 17th, 2006 at 1:53 amRegardless of is the policy had produced good results wouldn’t make a difference to you or most here because you were against premise of establishing a democratic Iraq.
Blather by Tracy
Notice again the difference between a conclusion and a strawman argument. I have never said I am against democracy in Iraq. What I have said time and again is that democracy cannot be exported, let alone at gun point.
Plus, as I stated previously, the main rationale for the invasion was ridding Hussein’s regime of its WMD, not regime change. This is what was repeated during the run-up to the invasion.
Comments by Gregor Samsa
I was in a rush to go out when I posted my comments in #272 and 273, so I am very glad that Gregor Samsa (with kudos to Kafka) pointed out to Tracy-troll that no one here has opposed the idea of a democratic Iraq. I would like to challenge Tracy, who seems to think he can speak for all of us (in his elementary school-level spelling), to produce even one statement among the many, many postings here opposing the idea of a democratic Iraq. So far I have seen that Tracy's thinking (if you can call it that) is so rigid that he still insists that anyone opposed to George W. Bush's policies must be pro-Al Qaeda/.pro-Taliban--even highly educated, professional women like myself.
December 17th, 2006 at 8:07 amMoreover, as Gregor already pointed out, the original excuse for invading Iraq had nothing to do with setting up a democratic government but supposedly with WMDs that turned out not to be there. The excuse, in fact, has changed several times, with most recently Dumbya admitting that it had to do with oil.
Furthermore, it should be rather apparent by now that simply trying to force "democracy" down another country's throat is not the way to go about this. Particularly in this particular case, even the most minimal research should have made US government officials a bit wary of Ahmed Chalabi, the man they were pushing to be the head of a "democratic Iraq." After all, even Jordan, a nation relatively friendly to the US, had a warrant on his head for banking fraud. Yes, combined with the fact that he hadn't even been living in Iraq for many years, he was just the ideal man to appeal to the populace and lead it on the road toward democratization. Ha!
#271
"So?"
So you are a coward anyway you want to try and say you aren't.
"You’re definitely a speck of dust."
"But my opinion is based on reality"
Yes, as you are and your reality is only your own.
"To discuss current affairs in politics with others."
Well please start to do so.
"Again, I’m the one who left Corporate America to teach."
We know why you left the real world to teach.
"And you can deny it all you want, but educating young people is a solution. A much better one than your “solution†of killing innocent Iraqis."
How is indoctrinating a captive audience with your personal political views a solution? When did I say the solution is killing innocent Iraqis?
"Aren’t you?"
You know woman we have been going back and forth a while now and I have stated many times that I am a man and not a woman. Why is it that everyone here is so prejudice here that they assume the 'Tracy' is a woman's name? You are an educated woman (I think) and you should know that 'Traci. is how women spell their name and the it was a man's name originally anywany.
December 18th, 2006 at 10:26 am#273
OK my mistake. What about the Korean War?
December 18th, 2006 at 10:32 am#273
"And please don’t bother telling me that my “grammer(SIC) sucks,†"
Why would I? I thought the you had got that all out of your system and that we agreed not to harp on irrelevant BS?
"Secondly, I didn’t feel like bragging..."
Then DON'T. I could care less
Now getting back to the relevant items that you so conveniently brushed aside...
Would you be still crying FOUL if the situation in Iraq WAS going well both for the Iraq’s and the U.S.? And no that "was" is part of what I am asking.
"As for what you call “grammer,†I really have better things to do than learn about it."
Then stop pointing it out. Do you want a medal of something for passing that test?
December 18th, 2006 at 10:41 am#276
It's very true that most reporters will not venture outside the green zone in Iraq. How else do you explain my constant letters from my friends in Iraq saying that they have never heard from a reporter from the U.S. or international ask about any of the Iraqi infrastructure projects that they help maintain security for on a daily basis?
December 18th, 2006 at 10:57 am#277
"I’m sure you also are familiar with the names David Bloom and Jill Carroll. Gosh, I don’t think they were inside the Green Zone when they experienced their respective fates."
Why were they imbeded and what was their reporting mission?
BTW you can spare me your BS mention of some widely reported story of reporters that got killed and the media crying all over them about their suffering when our soldiers get little or no mention about their encounters good or bad.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:04 am#279
"I disagree that Iraq was invaded because the Bush administration had good intentions towards Iraq or Iraqis."
Each to his own opinion.
"I have never said I am against democracy in Iraq. What I have said time and again is that democracy cannot be exported, let alone at gun point."
Problem is that we don't have time for the Muslim world to decided to embrace democracy with this Islamic fundamentalism spreading. We have to push for it.
"This is what was repeated during the run-up to the invasion."
Regime change was stated repeatedly many times.
"WWI was not a war of choice. Other posters have pointed out Germany U-Boats sank American merchant ships."
Yes, my mistake.
"Iraq is the first war in which the US has declared itself above international law, and free to attack any country that might be perceived as a threat, whether real or not."
Since we are talking about wars of "choice" that the U.S. has been involved in Korea was a war of choice, as was Vietnam, as was the U.S. pre-emptively bombing the Serbs which BTW Clinton didn't have U.N. approval to do. Clinton put the U.S. above international law. NATO tried to legitimize the bombing by saying that what the Serbs were doing had the "potential" of destablizing the Balkan region. There was absolutely no threat to the U.S. preceived or otherwise.
December 18th, 2006 at 12:55 pm#280
"I would like to challenge Tracy, who seems to think he can speak for all of us (in his elementary school-level spelling), to produce even one statement among the many, many postings here opposing the idea of a democratic Iraq."
"So far I have seen that Tracy’s thinking (if you can call it that) is so rigid that he still insists that anyone opposed to George W. Bush’s policies must be pro-Al Qaeda/.pro-Taliban–even highly educated, professional women like myself."
I can't find one where anyone has stated being for it or even suggesting ways of facilitating it.
"Moreover, as Gregor already pointed out, the original excuse for invading Iraq had nothing to do with setting up a democratic government but supposedly with WMDs that turned out not to be there."
"The excuse, in fact, has changed several times, with most recently Dumbya admitting that it had to do with oil."
There were MANY reasons given, with WMDs being one, so no it has not changed several times as you have suggested. Even Gregor has not disputed that.
December 18th, 2006 at 1:00 pmI can’t find one where anyone has stated being for it or even suggesting ways of facilitating it (the democratization of Iraq).
Comment by Tracy
You have been challenged to find a comment opposed to the democratization of Iraq. Stating that you couldn't find the opposite doesn't prove your point, and you, thus, have admitted defeat.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:27 pmIncidentally, although it is "unbelievable" you've been protesting to about your gender, I do know a woman named "Tracy." However, I myself always thought you were most likely a guy, even before you specifically stated so.
Grammar and spelling don't matter to you, because you're not very good at them. When you are coming on here trying to prove that you know more than people on the left, you certainly don't make the sort of impact you are aiming for with laughable spelling errors like "purgery" and "crying fowl" (cockadoodle doo). This has been meant as friendly advice, though you obviously aren't taking it that way.
#228
I have asked the question many time and haven't received a response.
"Stating that you couldn’t find the opposite doesn’t prove your point, and you, thus, have admitted defeat."
Nice attempt at concluding....nothing. Omission is a good way to prove a point in this blog.
"Grammar and spelling don’t matter to you, because you’re not very good at them."
I am good at them, but I don't take the time (nor want to) to go over all of my posts with your elitist, but irrelevant level of scrutiny.
"This has been meant as friendly advice, though you obviously aren’t taking it that way."
It's irrelevant. If I were to ask you a question about something architecture you wouldn't have a clue about how to answer it much less get the spelling and grammar right. Considing you and I could find hundreds of examples in this blog of people not adhearing to perfect grammar why do you consistantly bring up something irrelevant? Give it a rest already.
"However, I myself always thought you were most likely a guy, even before you specifically stated so."
I a surely never mistook you for a guy either regardless of your blog name.
BTW you aren't going to change your false statement about the reasons for the Iraq invasion changing several times, considering it hasn't?
December 18th, 2006 at 6:40 pm#275 & #278
I guess this wouldn't satisfy you either....even a litte bit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16241340/site/newsweek/
December 18th, 2006 at 6:47 pmI am good at them (grammar and spelling), but I don’t take the time (nor want to) to go over all of my posts with your elitist, but irrelevant level of scrutiny.
I a surely never mistook you for a guy either regardless of your blog name.
Comments by Tracy
No, you are not good at them; you are being defensive because you aren't. I don't go over your posts scrupuously; your spelling mistakes are glaring. You were also LOLing on one thread because I started some sentences with "as." One must wonder what you've been reading up to now if you've never seen (grammatically correct) sentences like "As my paycheck is late this month, I can't go out this weekend;" "As a married woman, I have no use for the dating service spam I've been receiving" or "As a result of extensive testing, he was found to have a rare blood disease." Did you apologize for your LOLing or calling me a hypocrite after I cited such sentences? No, all you did was change your position to say that "grammer(SIC) and spelling are irrelevant." So don't expect me to apologize to you for a statement that isn't incorrect.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:13 pmI repeat, “Stating that you couldn’t find the opposite doesn’t prove your point, and you, thus, have admitted defeat.†To be more specific, just because I never wrote that I like tacos doesn't mean that I hate them, nor does the fact that I have cats mean that I hate dogs. (I don't.) You couldn't find any statement here from a poster opposing the democratization of Iraq, so you lost the challenge plain and simple. To use your words: "Give it a rest." You can't speak for people whom you don't know and whose specific opinions you can't find. And you already lose the argument by assuming you can.
Lora is a female name, so I don't quite understand what you mean by "regardless of (my) blog name." Nor have I ever claimed to be male.
Anyway, I'm about to go out, so Goodbye. As usual, you have proven nothing but your arrogance and defensiveness.
#291
"No, you are not good at them; you are being defensive because you aren’t."
Whatever you say girl.
"You were also LOLing on one thread because I started some sentences with “as.â€"
YOU are the one that brought up the irrelevant subject of spelling and grammar in the first place. WHO CARES!
"Did you apologize for your LOLing or calling me a hypocrite after I cited such sentences?'
Have you apologized for continuing to bring up a BS subject?
"I repeat, “Stating that you couldn’t find the opposite doesn’t prove your point, and you, thus, have admitted defeat.†"
Again, whatever you say girl.
"You couldn’t find any statement here from a poster opposing the democratization of Iraq, so you lost the challenge plain and simple."
Yep. Sure.
"To be more specific, just because I never wrote that I like tacos doesn’t mean that I hate them"
It doesn't mean you like them either.
"As usual, you have proven nothing but your arrogance and defensiveness."
And you have proven nothing either but your guilt by omission.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:32 am#291
"Lora is a female name, so I don’t quite understand what you mean by “regardless of (my) blog name.â€"
I wouldn't expect anything less from you.
BTW you aren’t going to change your false statement about the reasons for the Iraq invasion changing several times, considering it hasn’t?
December 19th, 2006 at 10:40 amIt's little wonder that Tony Snow suddenly remembered that doctors had removed a cancerous growth from Laura's leg. How else to distract the media from this inane statement.
December 19th, 2006 at 4:07 pmOne last word to Tracy: by your standards, if a person hasn't spoken out or written in favor of something, he/she must be against it. Therefore, since you have never written that you are against slavery or fascism, I suppose we can assume that you are for them.
December 19th, 2006 at 5:46 pmYou were challenged to produce one statement from the posters here opposing the democratization of Iraq. That was the challenge; you lost it, boy. Cockadoodle doo, and au revoir.
#295
"Therefore, since you have never written that you are against slavery or fascism, I suppose we can assume that you are for them."
How do you know I haven't spoken out or written being against slavery or fascism?
December 19th, 2006 at 6:50 pmHow do you know I haven’t spoken out or written being against slavery or fascism?
Comment by Tracy
And how do you know that people who are against the war in Iraq don't want it to be a democracy? You didn't meet the challenge to produce comments against the democratization of Iraq. If you can't act like an adult man in meeting the challenge, then at least stop whining and crying "fowl"(SIC) like a little boy. Cockadoodle doo, you lost, boy.
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December 20th, 2006 at 11:03 am#297
"And how do you know that people who are against the war in Iraq don’t want it to be a democracy?"
I have never hear of anyone here even mention that political change in the Middle East, let alone Iraq, is something worth pursuing. It's kinda like when certain posters here claim the U.S. to be the worst country on the planet no one here even challenges them or criticizes them for saying it. It's pathetic.
December 20th, 2006 at 7:47 pm#302
December 20th, 2006 at 8:57 pmYour answer proves nothing. And I, for one, have never said nor wrote that the US is the worst country on the planet. Particularly since I have lived abroad, I can appreciate the good things about the US.
In any case, Mr. Cockadoodle Doo, you have not met the challenge to produce a statement from any of the posters here that they are against the idea of a democratic Iraq. Until you do, you can write on and on about other things (which I will probably ignore from now on) but you have lost the challenge, boy.
#302
It proves for me, at least, that people here are not for promoting democratic reform in the Middle East. Untill you provide a single post where anyone here proves or supports the stated above your challenge is not better or worse than mine and have lost my challenge untill you do so. I have asked the question multiple times if people here are for democratic reform in the Middle East and their silence is deafening.
"Particularly since I have lived abroad, I can appreciate the good things about the US."
I have also lived outside the U.S. in Belize, so I too can appreciate the same good things about the U.S.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:43 amfor god's sake, america can't even control what goes on in their own country, what business does bush have to illegally invade, slaughter innocent people, and ram his form of democracy down the throats of iraqi's.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:01 pmthe american economy hangs by a chinese thread, americans are killing each other with guns, health care is unattainable to everyone, the list goes on.
the only ones saying that america is the greatest country in the world are americans themselves, the rest of the planet knows and sees that your country is run by a mutant.
god bless america, in your dreams.
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December 30th, 2006 at 5:26 amwow.
January 7th, 2007 at 8:48 pmi cant believe people like you.
there are good things going on in iraq,
and the media does only cover the negative things.
we all know that.
the troops over there are helping families, and children receive educations, and good safety. if we hadn't taken any action in the first place, alot of us probably wouldnt be here today, but we would have been attacked again, just like 9/11.
and people that bash laura for giving out her opinions, let her, she is allowed to do that, just like you are.
oh and bush isn't "illegally" invading.
under Article 51, "every nation has their right to self defense"
putting soldiers in the middle east is our self defense,
and the soldiers are proud that they are fighting for our country,
its what their taught, and what they believe.
our country is not ran by a "mutant"
wow. imagine if Clinton was still in office, damn we'd all be died,
in the 90's we had captured Saddam before, but Clinton said to free him, yeah..wrong move honey, if we had kept him. all this could have been alot better before than what it is now....
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