New Jersey approves civil unions.
By on Dec 14th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
New Jersey approves civil unions.
“Lawmakers in the U.S. state of New Jersey legalized same-sex civil unions on Thursday to give gay and lesbian couples the same rights as marriage but would not allow such partnerships to be called ‘marriage.’” BlueJersey and Garden State Equality have commentary.
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Now we’re making sense..
December 14th, 2006 at 6:54 pm(and in less than 5 words!)
way to go. you won’t be successful if you insist to call it marriage. even liberal european countries call it civil unions so conservative-leaning people can keep their spiritual privilege.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:58 pmI believe it was necessary to push for gay and lesbian “marriage”, so that the end result would be an acceptance of “unions”, for the sake of civil and legal purposes.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:04 pmRaven, I agree. And as a “gay”, I am actually OK with just “Civil Unions”. Where is the Federal legislation? Huh?
http://www.getsomejosh.com
December 14th, 2006 at 7:14 pmut oh, tomorrow new jersey’s infrastructure is obviously going to collapse and all the straights will be tempted to divorce and marry gays.
to say the least, its about damn time some people act sensibly
December 14th, 2006 at 7:18 pmgood
December 14th, 2006 at 7:20 pm“separate but equal” did not work in the old South…When will America finally grow up?
December 14th, 2006 at 7:20 pmGood for them!
I still don’t understand why my parents moved from NJ to Georgia when I was a kid… That’s like wanting to injure yourself…
December 14th, 2006 at 7:22 pmThe day all of our states, IRS, Fed Gov. and Social security acknoledge their right’s will be a happy day for me..It’s a good start, they should have all the same right’s as married couples everywhere…Bravo and Blessings
December 14th, 2006 at 7:24 pmFinally, a legislative branch finally did what they were meant to do – face a tough issue, reach compromise and move forward. It is sad that so many states had to pass constitutional measures against gay marriage to force legislatures to finally deal with this issue, instead of hoping courts to do the heavy lifting for them.
Perhaps Dems have learned that it isn’t about right and wrong, it is about action and reaction, overreach and backlash …. I was telling a friend you can’t force your values down someone elses throat, no matter how “right” those values might be to you.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:26 pmWhat’s the penalty for calling it “marriage”?
December 14th, 2006 at 7:27 pmThere is no penalty, just a lot of hassle…
December 14th, 2006 at 7:31 pmI was telling a friend you can’t force your values down someone elses throat, no matter how “right†those values might be to you.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
And Iraq is . . ?
We are trying to install a democracy in a “country” that has never before known it. Please explain how this isn’t “forcing your values down someone else’s throat?”
I predict Jason’s total rejection of the premise for invasion in three . . . two. . . one . . .
December 14th, 2006 at 7:33 pmJesus, save the state of New Jersey from damnation.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:33 pm#10…….
December 14th, 2006 at 7:35 pmGood Lord, and I do mean with a CAPITAL L…. Did that second paragraph really come from the cyber-lips of the Hendler?
daryll, shut up.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:37 pmOh MY Gawd…..
December 14th, 2006 at 7:37 pmDaryll……..
the one night of the year when I get to combine a six-pack and the key board, here you are………
hang on, let me catch my breath………
Jesus, save the state of New Jersey from damnation.
Comment by Daryll — December 14, 2006 @ 7:33 pm
Jesus save the world from closeted homosexuals like Daryll who hate themselves so much they must force their vile hatred onto others.
Now, more importantly, isn’t is just plain stupid that the word “marriage” cannot be used for gay people who want to be married. No, we have to call it a “civil union.” This kowtowing to the bigots of the world needs to stop now. It does not further our society to bow down to the lowest common denominators (like our dear friend Darryl). We must think bigger and be bigger than that. That said, thank you to New Jersey for their step in the right direction. I just wish they could have been bolder.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:39 pm#13, barfly,
Isn’t it an oxymoron to say democracy is “forced”? People were given the opportunity to form their own government and vote it’s ratification. It is the alternative(s) to democracy that is “forced” – communism, facism, caliphate, kingdom, etc. ….
Clearly, you don’t have the first clue about democracy, if you consider its existence “forced”.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:39 pmPolice question Blair on honors charges By JILL LAWLESS, Associated Press Writer
Thu Dec 14, 10:41 AM ET
LONDON – Prime Minister Tony Blair has been questioned by police investigating allegations that government honors, such as seats in the House of Lords, were bestowed in return for political contributions, Blair’s office said Thursday.
snip
Blair has been forced to acknowledge some supporters who offered the loans were later nominated for seats in the House of Lords.
His office said that during the interview, which lasted more than 90 minutes, the prime minister explained why he had nominated certain individuals for government honors.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061214/ap_on_re_eu/britain_honors_scandal
December 14th, 2006 at 7:39 pmJason Hendler thinks that equality is not an American right. He wishes something else was forced down his throat.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:40 pmJesus, save the state of New Jersey from damnation.
Comment by Daryll
The sun will rise over New Jersey tomorrow, Daryll, you’ll see.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:42 pmDear Lord, Please don’t go nosing around New Jersey, they are AOK. Take a peep in Alabama or Georgia, right now there are lots of red-necks doing bad things with goats or stepdaughters.
Go git ‘em.
-GSD
December 14th, 2006 at 7:45 pm#21, Rep,
Funny, in your last post, you preach equality and tolerance, and in the next sentence, make a homo-bashing statement – you are a true Democrat.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:49 pmCalling Mary Cheney now she can move to Jersey as she has her baby.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:52 pmGrandma Cheney might want to sell her porn book Sisters about a Lesbian romance at the baby shower. Grandpa Cheney can shot the minorities as they drive by. Laura can tell Mary’s baby how to kill your ex boyfriend and get away with murder and still become First Lady of the United States. George and Connie can tell the baby about Thomas Jefferson/Sally Hemings and the up dated vision of black mistress in the White House. Yes New Jersey will be an interesting place to visit with these loonies in the state.
#25. Funny that you are such a homophobe that you can’t see it. You are a true neocon.
December 14th, 2006 at 7:55 pmFunny, in your last post, you preach equality and tolerance, and in the next sentence, make a homo-bashing statement – you are a true Democrat.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Actually, that sounded like a “Jason bashing” statement — unless you’re coming out of the closet…?
December 14th, 2006 at 7:55 pmDear Mr. Hendler
December 14th, 2006 at 7:58 pmDemocracy can be forced as well.
In very recent history, Afghanistan and Iraq, (just to name a couple you might recall), elections were basically conducted under martial situations, and the ballot boxes were spirited away at the end of a gun barrel.
The oil/drug/security/weapons complex has devised a way to conduct their fascist intents under their false guise of ‘freedom’.
Their “freedom” is enslavement to materialism, exploitation and subjugation
Well, I hate to break it to the NJ legislators, but most gay men and lesbians will still say they’re “married” no matter how the state caves in to religious bigotry.
And, just out of curiosity, if you’ve got a religious organization which allows for a marriage ceremony between same-sex couples, doesn’t this law infringe on that group’s religious freedom?
Also, if a same-sex couple have a marriage license from Canada or the Netherlands or Spain (or Massachusetts), will that license be recognized in NJ?
December 14th, 2006 at 7:58 pmIsn’t it an oxymoron to say democracy is “forced�
Did anyone ask them if that’s what they wanted before the invasion? No. Great White Father Bush made that call for them.
People were given the opportunity to form their own government and vote it’s ratification.
After we overthrew their soveriegn government.
Clearly, you don’t have the first clue about democracy, if you consider its existence “forcedâ€. Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Please.
You have no idea what you’re talking about; just blathering hyperbole.
And a hypocrite to boot; your high-sounding rhetoric, “I was telling a friend you can’t force your values down someone elses throat, no matter how “right†those values might be to you.” rings as hollowly as your “authoritive” understanding of democracy.
“
December 14th, 2006 at 8:00 pmFunny, in your last post, you preach equality and tolerance, and in the next sentence, make a homo-bashing statement – you are a true Democrat.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
And you did the same thing in the previous post about “democracy” being “forced!”
What an intellectual fraud you are.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:02 pm#30…
December 14th, 2006 at 8:04 pmDetails, Schmeetails……..
#29, Raven,
There was a “martial law situation”, because insurgents were trying to prevent people from voting. Heavy security and protection of ballets were done to ensure each citizen’s vote counted, and that the voters’ will was known / guarenteed. In many cases, Democracy must be defended by military force (like Israel).
One benefit of a democracy is free markets, which does create wealth for the world in general, but that is a tough concept for communists – I understand. No one is exploiting the Afghanies or Iraqies, the oil money belongs to their governments.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:06 pm#30 and #34,
FINALLY, you get it. All you had to do was pass civil unions, and very quickly, gay marriage would have been legal, but nooooooooo…..
Dems had to act all cocky and indignant, and now they eat crap, because any forward movement will take years, even decades – good job guys.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:08 pm#36 You don’t get it. Equal rights are equal rights. They should never be called separate-but-equal rights. And the only reason the legalization of gay marriage is taking such a long time is because there is a political party in America that is obsessed with stopping gay rights at every turn. It is even mentioned in their party platform on their website. They are called Republicans. It has nothing to do with Democrats.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:20 pm#37, Rep,
Wrong, gay marriage LOSES when placed on a ballot by as much as 90% in some states, so greater than a super majority do not want it legal, regardless of whether you believe it is right or wrong. I know, I know, you want to look good pontificating, instead of following the steps that would get you to your goal. Better to lose looking good, than winning with humility – another concept you Dems will never understand.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:25 pm#38…wrong again. Equal rights should never be put to a popular vote. Equal rights are something we are born with, not awarded in a popularity contest. Just because Republicans don’t respect the Constitution doesn’t mean that they are right.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:28 pmand it is Republicans that insist on putting gay marriage on ballots to bring out their homophobic base.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:29 pmQuote (from Hendler) worth noting…
December 14th, 2006 at 8:31 pm” In many cases, democracy must be defended by force (like Isreal)”
Say no more, say no more……….
Same sex marriage is NOT a right, until the population ratifies that right, because, to date, marriage has been defined as between one man and one woman. If you want to change that, you need to change the culture that thinks otherwise. The best way to do that was to get civil unions approved, and when everyone sees that it is no big deal, then gay marriage would have been approved.
I meet so many people like you, who would rather look good losing, than win with humility – you will continue to lose ground, because the world is moving backwards, not forward.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:41 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler
**yawn**
December 14th, 2006 at 8:46 pmI’m from Massachusettes, and since we passed gay marraige here, I have to tell the truth about the effects.
I’m slowly becoming gay and I can’t stop it.
I also have this veracious hunger, and the need to consume mass quantities of soy products.
December 14th, 2006 at 8:55 pmI was telling a friend you can’t force your values down someone elses throat, no matter how “right†those values might be to you.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 14, 2006 @ 7:26 pm
Too bad you don’t get that this applies not just to how YOU are treated, but to how YOU treat others.
If you work that out, there might be hope for you yet…
December 14th, 2006 at 8:56 pmJesus, save the state of New Jersey from damnation.
Comment by Daryll — December 14, 2006 @ 7:33 pm
Jesus (as an exclamation), save Think Progress from Daryll.
Don’t you have some street corner to go stand upon and tell people that they are going to hell?
December 14th, 2006 at 8:58 pmI’m slowly becoming gay and I can’t stop it.
I also have this veracious hunger, and the need to consume mass quantities of soy products.
Comment by AkaDad
The Master Plan…..
December 14th, 2006 at 8:59 pmyou will continue to lose ground, because the world is moving backwards, not forward.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 14, 2006 @ 8:41 pm
Yes, but your problem is that you are facing the back of a bus that is driving in reverse so that you think you are progressing. You’re not. It’s not what conservatism is about.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:06 pmIt would seem Daryll has an obsession with gays … he just can’t stop thinking about them … that’s why he seems to post exclucively on threads that include that topic.
As for the Civil Union vs. Marriage debate, I used to be all for Civil Unions and against Gay Marriage… however, that changed after the right went and attempted to pass amendments that would also prevent Civil Unions.
Anyway, one needs a license from the government to get married, therefore marriage in this country is a secular institution. Though this doesn’t mean, christians for example, have to allow such marriages in their church. That is their own choice.
Also, the argument that gay marriage should only be allowed if a majority of Americans (or citizens of their respective states) agree with it is not necessarily right. Such an argument would mean that, for example, the South was right about slavery because a majority in their states agreed with the institution, and t therefore slavery should still be in existence. Just because there is a majority, does not mean they are right or moral.
btw, for the benefit of full disclosure, I am a New Jerseyian :)
December 14th, 2006 at 9:13 pmSo gay people aren’t born that way, is that what you’re saying?
December 14th, 2006 at 9:32 pmAshenShard
Well said.
“Marriage” is a sacrament of religious establishments and, as such, should not be regulated, monitored, or otherwise managed by government. All domestic partnerships licensed or registered by government as a contract should be civil unions. That’s the battle that should be fought first. Once that is done, an individual church should be able to perform a marriage ceremony for homosexual couples if that fits the doctrine of that church.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:33 pmPlease provide link on how APA was pressured by liberals to take homosexuality out of the DSM.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:34 pmBDL,
You like sexy man sex?
December 14th, 2006 at 9:36 pmIm sure Wal-Mart isnt happy with this kind of unions.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:36 pmPlease provide link on how APA was pressured by liberals to take homosexuality out of the DSM.
Comment by ForTruth
Research determined that “homosexuality” in and of itself had no correlation with social, emotional, cognitive, or other dysfunction in living. It was simply another point on the continuum of sexuality. Therefore, homosexuality was removed from the list of mental illnesses. No pressure from liberals.
[Too tired to find a link - sorry!]
December 14th, 2006 at 9:46 pmThanks PLC.
December 14th, 2006 at 9:51 pmBraindead, what an appropriate name.
“at what point will you sexual degenerates stop in forcing your will on decent society?”
At what point will you religious zealots stop forcing your imaginary god’s rules on what could be a decent society but instead is filled with hate filled religious bigots like yourself.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:20 pmbraindead,
I guess you are assuming I am gay. I’m not. I tried the one man and one woman marriage thing, and we certainly made a mockery of the institution — just so you know.
I’m happy to know where YOU draw the line. Society is changing, and doesn’t that just scare you to death?
I learned to mind my own business a long time ago — something you should try. Try thinking about something else for a while.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:33 pmActually it was only the romans, who did the One man, one women, the bible itself is filled with references to husbands with multiple wives. A custom that has continued to present day in some places.
Kudo’s to New Jersey, this will help actually produce equal rights for all, and the eventual disapperance of those with extreme homophobic behavior.
A side not to Mr. Hendler, The dems never pursured gay marriage much. It was primarily a sick ploy, by the republicans to retain there base, and you can see how well that has worked for them in the last election.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:40 pmwow. what a rant.
Common sense would say that if two people are in love, then Godspeed.
If you dismiss homosexuality in other species, then of course you will not see that it is a part of the way the world is.
“Homo-s Happen”, as it were. (not to be crass to other posters.)
You keep saying we are taking evolution backwards.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:45 pmYou are aware that the Y chromosome is shrinking? Within a couple hundred years it may well be pretty much non-existent. Seems we’re all moving forward.
braindead,
I don’t know who you’re addressing, but it doesn’t matter because there’s no way I’m going to convince you of what a moron you are. Have a nice glass of soy chocolate milk….
December 14th, 2006 at 10:46 pmIf God created the Earth and all human beings, then bashing gays is equal to bashing God.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:48 pmZooey,
December 14th, 2006 at 10:49 pmShame on you!
You forgot to tell him to get counselling from
Ted Haggert!
:(
“yeah go ahead and convince yourself God ain’t real”
It has nothing to do with convincing. It’s called truth based on reality. Do yourself a favor and read “The God Delusion” by Richard Dawkins”.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:50 pmYou libs anger me. You celebrate Christmas to recognize the birth of Jesus, but you believe that’s it’s alright for a man to screw another man from behind, or for a women to insert a strap-on inside of another women. These acts contradict the word of God. How can you celebrate the birth and committ a perverted and unrighteous act simultaneously. Why celebrate the birth when you actually despise Christ because of your perverted acts committed daily? Why do homosexuals/sinners continue to sit on the pews of the Church when the Pastor requests the presence of those that haven’t received redemption from their sins. If you won’t cease and desist your sinful ways, why attend the Christian Church? These are the same indivduals that push their sexual lifestyles on us for the purpose of ensuring that their perverted acts are depicted as a customary part of society. I don’t hate anyone in general, but this must be said. If you don’t seek redemption for your unrighteous soul, look forward to hell, which is consisted of fire and brimstone. Please, do not let God catch you committing your perverted sins before the rapture, and ensure you’re not on earth during the rapture. The only way that you can be caught up to meet him in the air is by following Acts 2:38 and living a righteous life, per the bible. Sing your Christmas songs and pass out gifts, that will not change the current status of your filthy soul. You must become born again and divert from your unrighteous ways. If you don’t agree with heterosexuality, don’t go to Church during Christmas and stop giving gifts because your soul is destined for hell. Also, everyone please cease lying to your children about Santa Claus. While I was in the Nieman Marcus store, a kid asked me, “what did I ask Santa for Christmas”? His mother smiled at me assuming that I was going to go along with the story. I had to be blunt, and tell the kid that Santa doesn’t exist. His mother became angry and instantly took her kid to another portion of the store. Santa was created by a man who told a lie to children in Germany about Saint Nicklaus. TP bloggers, one of the commandments in the bible is, “Thou shall not bear false witness”. This includes all of the white lies you’ve told. TP bloggers, I will continue to pray to God for the redemption of your souls. Also, Christmas is a pagan holiday (Sun God). It should be called Winter Soltice/Family Day. I love you all.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:53 pmYou forgot to tell him to get counselling from
Ted Haggert!
:(
Comment by trueblue
I gave Mark Foley his IM address….
December 14th, 2006 at 10:54 pmIf God created the Earth and all human beings, then bashing gays is equal to bashing God.
Comment by AkaDad
See that, braindead? What Dad said.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:55 pmDaryll,
If there is a god, he lives in all of our hearts, whether we believe in him or not. There’s no “don’t let god catch you” doing anything. If he exists, he knows all. He even knows about the fear, judgment and hate in your heart — even if you deny it.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:03 pm“Also, Christmas is a pagan holiday (Sun God). It should be called Winter Soltice/Family Day. I love you all.”
Wholly hell has frozen over! I agree with Daryll. I celebrate winter Solstice with my family. I love you too Daryll . The rest of your speach is just brainwash.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:04 pmAlso, Christmas is a pagan holiday (Sun God). It should be called Winter Soltice/Family Day. I love you all.â€
Wholly hell has frozen over! I agree with Daryll. I celebrate winter Solstice with my family. I love you too Daryll . The rest of your speach is just brainwash.
Comment by Yikes — December 14, 2006 @ 11:04 pm
Okay, categorize everything else within my post as hogwash. If people don’t adhere to the laws of the bible, their souls are destined for hell.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:10 pmThank’s for the love Daryll and yes you are right about the pagan Yule /Winter solstice and may I add most of the relegious holiday’s were stolen from the pagan’s…Can I add just for giggles and fit’s the bible was written by men and to overthrow and dominate the matriachal society’s that were working very well at the time….Just some thought’s…
It would be very kind if you would not screech hell and damnation at us with the bible quotes though, many of us don’t agree and won’t bother you with our beliefs….Only one there is no hell…Blessings
December 14th, 2006 at 11:17 pmI live in NJ. Now my hetro marriage is over because of this. Its made it so much cheaper. Jesus was right, “whatever you do don’t feed the poor, make sure the homos don’t marry.” (Sarcasm)
December 14th, 2006 at 11:18 pm“that of your own mortality and fragility of spirit.
In the end we all see who laughs last”
On my deathbed I will definitely be laughing. I will have lived my life with integrity, honesty, a thirst for knowledge and no unwarranted fear of some supernatural being. Then my body will decay and my soul will live on with the people that knew me.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:19 pmIf people don’t adhere to the laws of the bible, their souls are destined for hell.
Comment by Daryll
I’ve already got your seat in hell saved, Daryll — right next to me and braindead.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:22 pmOnly one there is no hell…Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
People like Daryll and braindead create their own hell on earth.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:32 pm#107 Zooey
Maybe more of a purgatory :-p
December 14th, 2006 at 11:34 pmLOL….Zooey and all, you are so funny….There is no hell…We are all going to the summer land and link up with Yikes and our loved one’s….If there is a god, she has a great sence of humor and is merely an observer….Well, what do I know, like every one here I haven;t been there yet. Do know one thing though there are two basic thought processes, one based on fear and the other love….The love work’s for me, fear only work’s to stifle true love of anything…….Blessing’s all….
December 14th, 2006 at 11:34 pmAlso, everyone please cease lying to your children about Santa Claus.
Comment by Daryll — December 14, 2006 @ 10:53 pm
What!? Santa Claus doesn’t exist!?!
Next you will tell me the Easter Bunny doesn’t exist either…
Oh, the humanity!!!
December 14th, 2006 at 11:38 pm#110 braindead
New Jersey isn’t hell … maybe Newark, Perth Amboy, Jersey City, Trenton and Camden are … but Hunterdon County is wonderful … oh, and you can’t forget Buttzville … you’ve been there right? Its right where route 31 ends at route 46. Wonderful small town … and the home of Hot Dog Johnny’s, great hot dogs, you should go and try one.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:39 pmBraindead, if there were foxholes these days, there would be atheists in them. One name comes to mind you child…Pat Tillman.
December 14th, 2006 at 11:46 pmA fit of truthful humor added here…My second husband’s kid’s came for a viset one easter and I had cooked rabitt. His youngest daughter asked for a drumstick, thinking I had fixed fried chicken…..Dumbass told her I had killed the easter bunny and cooked it for dinner…Never could get that kid to eat any thing I cooked after that…All she would eat was cold cereal…LOL…lucky for me the older one’s didn’t care…Yep! Gregor, I cooked the easter bunny….Blessings
December 14th, 2006 at 11:47 pmI cooked the easter bunny….Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
I love you, Sharon. I don’t care who knows…. :)
December 14th, 2006 at 11:52 pmGreat post again Unbelievable… Equal right’s for all, no more fear and smear…..If something someone else does bothers you then don’t do it, but neither should one throw stones…Blessings
December 14th, 2006 at 11:57 pmI love you to, Zooey…Will send a boquet of Dasies to you…They are my favorite and I like to give away the think’s I like….Blessings
December 15th, 2006 at 12:04 amBraindead, thanks I would rather…umm…sell myself some jewelery (not sure exactly what that means) than buying into the right wing spin. But you wouldn’t understand that, would you Corky?
December 15th, 2006 at 12:08 ambuy…not buying.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:09 amAnd braindead, I don’t have a horse in this race. I love seeing you squirm though. It is…amusing.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:15 amThanks, Sharon.
Peace & Blessings.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:15 amBuy and sell jewelery. well yes I can and do…I am a certafied jeweler as a matter of fact and expert in the lost wax, casting method …I usualy give my one of a kind creations away as gift’s though..The Brooklyn bridge is a no sell for me I have lot’s of boat’s so don’t need no stinking bridge and I dont’ buy anything I don’t need or can make myself…LOL….Night all…Power flickers…..Blessings
December 15th, 2006 at 12:22 am#126 Not sure what scripture you quoted but I sure hope little Daryll has never eaten shellfish…or he is screwed. According to the bible eating a lobster is equal to nailing a dude.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:24 am#132 Dude, we are not really interested in your diseased meat.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:31 amBtru,
Braindead didn’t just brag about eating meat, did he?
That would make him special how, exactly?
wow… I just looked into the abyss
December 15th, 2006 at 12:39 amBraindead, yeah, you have shown your titanic sense of humor. Funny, funny guy.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:40 am#140 Maybe that was his famous sense of humor.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:45 am#141 Stop eating shellfish, braindead…or go to hell.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:47 amMaybe that was his famous sense of humor.
Comment by JPark
Oy. Blatant sarcasm keeps flying right over braindead’s head.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:49 am#145 I know Zooey. There was a study done that proved that sarcasm and compassion were intimately linked in the brain. Yep, I know exactly wrong with the likes of braindead.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:53 amYep, I know exactly wrong with the likes of braindead.
Comment by JPark
I’m so sorry…. :)
Goodnight, and good luck.
December 15th, 2006 at 12:56 amLieberman going to the U.N. would be bad for his wife’s business — he won’t do it. Besides, I think he would rather have his ass kissed for the next two years by both sides of the aisle in the Senate.
I think Mary Cheney and her lover (I bet that really bothers Lynne when she hears that phrase) should move to New Jersey to protect the rights of their unborn from Virginia.
December 15th, 2006 at 7:39 amHENDLER’s comments above about how civil rights are somehow subject to a popular vote made my head hurt. What part of ‘inalienable rights’ does he not understand?
I guess in his world it would be fine to take away women’s right to vote as long as the local majority votes for it…?
This whole same-sex marriage issue is not really about marriage… it is about discrimination. Religion can define marriage any way it wants, but in the USA it is unconstitutional (illegal) to provide services and benefits to one group and deny them to another based upon criteria not within the group’s control… color of skin, gender, age, sexual orientation, etc.
Keep your Bible out of my government.
December 15th, 2006 at 7:54 am#111, Buford,
From Wikipedia – the Bill of Rights “…came into effect on December 15, 1971, when ratified by three-fourths of the States.”
ALL the rights we enjoy today were RATIFIED (voted on and approved) by 3/4 of the states in existance at the time of ratification. Even the “unalienable rights” recognized by our founding fathers in the Declaration of Independence had to be fought for, and only won, because the people supported that movement, so in both cases, there was wide popular support for these rights.
In this case, there is no broad popular support for gay marriage, so you will neither ratify it, nor take it by force, but hey, as long as you look good fighting for it, that is all a Dem cares about. A Rep would be willing to look humble and win, as they have on this issue.
December 15th, 2006 at 8:22 am#112 – “In this case, there is no broad popular support for gay marriage…”
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — December 15, 2006 @ 8:22 am
Mr. Hendler, you forgot to add “at this particular time”. Don’t forget, 20 years ago, gay marriage was opposed by 99%.
Also, in 1855, slavery was “opposed” by about 50%.
Considering that the under 20 crowd supports gay marriage at something more than 70%, and the 20-30 crowd at about 60%, give it about 20 more years and the inequality of anti-gay statutes will be overturned.
December 15th, 2006 at 9:03 amQ. How can I tell if a religion is a cult?
A. There are several ways:
(1) It has one person (mortal) as the final authority.
(2) It has another book to explain the Bible and that book will be given the same authority as the Bible.
(3) It may be the enemy of the sciences.
(4) It will pervert the Trinity or the nature of Christ, calling Him a prophet, an archangel, a half-way house between God and man – but never God incarnate. It may deny His humanity.
(5) It will give undue emphasis to certain Scriptures and de-emphasize the rest.
(6) It will limit personal freedom — in the name of submission to authority.
(7) It will get into your personal life with abnormal taboos.
(8) It will get much of your money.
Anyway, in the links below you will find scholarly definitions of what constitutes a \”cult\”, plus a review of today\’s most prominent ones.
December 15th, 2006 at 11:45 amQ. How can I tell if a religion is a cult?
A. There are several ways:
(1) It has one person (mortal) as the final authority.
(2) It has another book to explain the Bible and that book will be given the same authority as the Bible.
(3) It may be the enemy of the sciences.
(4) It will pervert the Trinity or the nature of Christ, calling Him a prophet, an archangel, a half-way house between God and man – but never God incarnate. It may deny His humanity.
(5) It will give undue emphasis to certain Scriptures and de-emphasize the rest.
(6) It will limit personal freedom — in the name of submission to authority.
(7) It will get into your personal life with abnormal taboos.
(8) It will get much of your money.
December 15th, 2006 at 11:45 amInstead of ‘married’, you could be ‘butt buddies!’
December 15th, 2006 at 1:02 pmProve it.
As far as the topic goes, this whole issue (which was drummed up by the right, not the left, to turn out the base) can be solved easily:
Disolve marriage as a governmental institution.
Instead, have EVERY couple (naturally, consenting adults) who wants the legal benefits to enter into a Civil Union. Then, if they want some religious ceremony, fine.
This keeps the word “marriage” for the religious bigots, and gives everyone equal rights. Win/win.
December 15th, 2006 at 3:04 pmIf people don’t adhere to the laws of the bible, their souls are destined for hell.
–Darryll
Why don’t we stone people on Sunday then?
December 15th, 2006 at 7:16 pm#113, Dem Soldier,
I am SO proud of you – you are learning. The Dems needed to change the culture to create the environment for a “right” to gay marriage to emerge. Instead, they did the opposite – they tried to run roughshod over the voter’s right to ratify any new “rights” by pushing the issue through courts, so the voters exercised their rights and passed constitutional amendments in nearly 20 states to block gay marriages. That is an important lesson for all those Dems I’ve talked to about what a “right” truely is.
Dems are far too arrogant to create “rights”. You can’t shame or badgers the voters into granting “new rights”. You have to appeal to their sense of fairness, etc., and in the end, be willing to compromise to achieve positive steps in the right direction. Dems refuse to compromise, because they feel it makes them appear weak in front of their women (sadly, they are right).
December 16th, 2006 at 9:26 am