House Armed Services Chairman ‘Extremely Concerned’ With Iraq Escalation Plans
House Armed Services Chairman ‘Extremely Concerned’ With Iraq Escalation Plans
Rep. Ike Skelton (D-MO), the incoming chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, has released a statement expressing his serious concern over proposals to increase the U.S. presence in Iraq by up to 50,000 troops:
“The recent speculation in the press regarding an increase of 20,000 to 30,000 or even 50,000 troops in Iraq has left me with many concerns. Everything I’ve heard and everything I know to be true lead me to believe that this increase at best won’t change a thing, and at worst could exacerbate the situation even further. I am also extremely concerned about the additional burden that would be placed on the Army and Marine Corps.
“The Iraqis need to understand that responsibility for the future of that country is theirs. Beginning the redeployment of some number of American forces would send that message. I urge the President to carefully consider this option to help move the political situation in Iraq forward.
Yesterday, incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said he could support a brief increase in troop levels but only as part of a plan for phased withdrawal. Former Secretary of State Colin Powell and Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), a member of the Armed Services Committee, have said they do not favor troop increases.
Read Skelton’s full statement:
Skelton Congratulates Gates and Expresses Reservations on Increased Troop Levels
WASHINGTON, DC – Today Ranking Member Ike Skelton (MO), released the following statement congratulating Secretary Gates and expressing reservation about the proposed increase in troops levels deployed to Iraq.
“I congratulate Secretary Gates on his official assumption of office. I look forward to working with him to meet the needs of our military today and preparing for the challenges that lie ahead.
“One of those challenges will be Iraq. What we do to solve that situation is one of the most pressing questions facing the new Secretary.
“The recent speculation in the press regarding an increase of 20,000 to 30,000 or even 50,000 troops in Iraq has left me with many concerns. Everything I’ve heard and everything I know to be true lead me to believe that this increase at best won’t change a thing, and at worst could exacerbate the situation even further. I am also extremely concerned about the additional burden that would be placed on the Army and Marine Corps.
“The Iraqis need to understand that responsibility for the future of that country is theirs. Beginning the redeployment of some number of American forces would send that message. I urge the President to carefully consider this option to help move the political situation in Iraq forward.
“However, I will withhold judgment until Secretary Gates and General Pace come over and fully explain the rationale behind any decision that is ultimately made. I expect to be shown that any decision on future troop levels is based on a realistic assessment of the situation on the ground and sound strategy, not political assumptions and wishful thinking.
“Whether they come to make the case for an increase, or to maintain the current troop level, or even some other option, they must be able to demonstrate a compelling need for each and every person deployed to Iraq.”
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How could the incoming chairman be a republican??
December 18th, 2006 at 5:06 pmI have not heard an answer to my question of the Chicken Hawks. I asked what would the problem be with the USA “losing” the war. Besides the bruised egos, what else is going to get hurt. I ask this regularly, and the trolls never answer. I believe this “winning” shit is all about ego, thats it. So at the expense of more lives and funds we don’t have, we are protecting people’s egos, how sweet.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:07 pmAnswer to #1, Republican/Democrat What’s the difference?
December 18th, 2006 at 5:13 pmBush has broken the empire and bogged it down in Iraq. Our ability to suppress progress in other places is crippled as our military is stretched to the limit. We have lost credibility and leadership globally. They are stuck and they don’t know a way out.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:13 pmIke Skelton is a Democrat…
December 18th, 2006 at 5:14 pmIs he any relation to Red?
December 18th, 2006 at 5:15 pm“Winning” and “Victory” for the chickenhawks and the corporate masters who initiated the invasion and occupation of Iraq means only one thing.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:16 pmControl over the oil resources.
The tootling about democracy is just so much smoke and mirrors…………
#3 – What’s a puton?
December 18th, 2006 at 5:16 pmHey Judd,
Rep. Ike Skelton (R-MO)
should read:
Rep. Ike Skelton (D-MO)
Did you hire someone from Fox News to put up threads?
Or maybe you picked up Rush Limbaugh’s fact checker?
I think this makes the 2nd time this month you’ve managed to change someone’s party affiliation. (feel free to remove this post once you’ve made the correction)
December 18th, 2006 at 5:16 pmCoup d’ etat anyone?
December 18th, 2006 at 5:20 pmThe new plan is to create even more bloodshed by supporting the militias to kill the Sunnis and to let the shiites control the country making things look overall worse for Iran in the long run as most arab muslims are generaly Sunnis
mark my words
December 18th, 2006 at 5:22 pmWHEN will somone finally call Bush on his B.S.??? I think it fine of Colin Powell to speak up but he is a day late, dollar short. Of course he was in the untenable position as Sec. of State of working for Bush and he did that quite well. If he had been honest during that tenure they would have roasted him at the stake and STILL moved forward with their dumfounded plan. I mean GW even tells his dad (the smarter Bush) to shove it. Divide that mess called Iraq up and get the HELL out!!! Iran with a nuke, OOOOOOOOO I am so fu**ing scared! How about Israel with a couple hundred nukes, the US, Britian and France all with nukes that can be brought to bear on the middle east and Iran in particular. Get over Iran with a nuke, already. Besides, GOD promised to protect Israel, or did you FUNDIES faith go soft?
The Chimp-in-Chief has to GO!, already.
Texas Juice
December 18th, 2006 at 5:27 pm#8..
December 18th, 2006 at 5:27 pmA “puton” is a combination of the current president of Russia, and a sub-atomic particle
A mess on both sides. The humans that won’t die in this farce will be irreparably broken.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:29 pm#13 – Ahhh, thank you!
December 18th, 2006 at 5:32 pmThe King of Saudi Arabia, a Sunni would never let president Cheney do that. That is why he “summoned Cheney” and “read him the riot act” about Iraq already.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:33 pmThere is no such thing as ‘brief increase’ as Senator H. Reid describes…when troops go on a mission you cannot limit their time. The issues to be tackled are centered around the mission itself..and that is not the soldiers and generals job,but instead it is the politicians’ job who put the soldiers there in Iraq….This is all happening while the ‘mission’ was described as being ‘accomplished’ back in 2003…that is where Senator Reid should look into and begin to ask questions… it is the political side of this mission,whether we can create our model of our democracy using guns and soldiers,or not..and how successful we will be at it..and how much is going to cost us and what are the side effects of such thinking approach of building nations.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:37 pmI have not heard an answer to my question of the Chicken Hawks.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
I noticed yesterday that they have been visible absent a lot lately.
I’m sure part of it is that they are busy burying their sorrows in their commercialize Xmas activities… But most of it is just that even they can’t keep up the charade.
Did you see Hendler yesterday? He posted progressive sounding comments on two threads. Incredible.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:44 pmI just can’t help but feel that it is Bush’s plan to escalate the war into broader regional conflict that will encompass the entire Middle East. Quite literally, all of his actions are designed to lead to this one conclusion. When he says things are going well, the definition of “well” depends entirely upon your goals. If your goal is a broader Middle East war, then sure, things are going remarkebly well. Plain and simple, Bush wants to see the whole Middle East in flames.
December 18th, 2006 at 5:46 pmun & FT
December 18th, 2006 at 5:46 pmperhaps they are molting, sitting in their cozy nests, pecking at their keyboards which are now covered in poultraic feces.
perhaps they are molting, sitting in their cozy nests, pecking at their keyboards which are now covered in poultraic feces.
Comment by RUCerious — December 18, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
More likely than not…
December 18th, 2006 at 5:56 pmDid you see Hendler yesterday? He posted progressive sounding comments on two threads. Incredible.
Comment by unbelievable
Gosh I missed that, guess he’ll have to try again.
Yes the GOPers are busily shopping and spending, buying all those things to prove how much they love someone.
December 18th, 2006 at 6:26 pmIn my world a thread is never ruined by a troll. It can’t be done. It’s an opportunity for fun.
December 18th, 2006 at 6:27 pmAlrighty then, lets all just do what we do here, and have some fun. OK?
I will read a bedtime story to all the kids who don’t bicker. If you are real good, and a cute girl, I might even give you a kiss goodnight.
December 18th, 2006 at 6:29 pmNo hard feelings, just soft fuzzy warm ones for the sane ones on the site.
It has been nice to be relatively troll free the last couple of days.
Pax!
December 18th, 2006 at 6:38 pmI for one enjoy hearing a dissenting opinion…provided that it spurs argument and not just anger. I’d prefer to think that TP is better than the right-wing sites that censor posters with “controversial” ideas.
December 18th, 2006 at 6:44 pm“Yesterday, incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said he could support a brief increase in troop levels but only as part of a plan for phased withdrawal”
Reid specified a brief period of two to three months.
“The King of Saudi Arabia, a Sunni would never let president Cheney do that. That is why he “summoned Cheney†and “read him the riot act†about Iraq already.” –Spudge_Boy
I believe you are buying the cover story, Spudge. I believe that Cheney went to SA to tell them in person that they are going to ‘double down’ another terrorist attack on the US, to justify nuclear war with Iran. Call me paranoid — I do plenty.
I do NOT believe that the cruelest of the cruel Saudi princes give a hot goddamn for the Sunnis in Iraq. The only time religion matters in the Middle East is if it helps you kill your enemy. If your co-religionists want a lamb sandwich so they don’t starve, they can just fk off and die.
December 18th, 2006 at 6:58 pm“There is no such thing as ‘brief increase’ as Senator H. Reid describes…when troops go on a mission you cannot limit their time.”
In any case, Reid cannot limit their time. He said he would support a temporary increase. He can’t control it either way.
“what are the side effects of such thinking approach of building nations.” –tarazan
There has NEVER been the plan to ‘build a nation’ by illegally invading Iraq to install airbases, and privatize Iraqi oil.
Bushco has done EVERYTHING inhumanly possible to CAUSE civil war in Iraq.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:05 pmGosh I missed that, guess he’ll have to try again.
First, he criticized a Republican and then he agreed with a progressive point of view. Was shocking.
Yes the GOPers are busily shopping and spending, buying all those things to prove how much they love someone.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 6:26 pm
Yes, because nothing says I love you quite like a cheap chatchki from Wal-Mart! :D
December 18th, 2006 at 7:08 pmIn my world a thread is never ruined by a troll. It can’t be done. It’s an opportunity for fun.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 6:27 pm
Why you are an optimist :)
December 18th, 2006 at 7:10 pmLack of seriousness is the KEY characteristic of a troll.
So naturally a troll sees troll-disruption as “an opportunity for fun.”
That’s the basis of the frivolous troll, and it is really not fun — it is a kind of chaos making on a serious site like ThinkProgress.
Goof off over at Atrios, ForTruth. Or be labeled as what your actions and your lack of seriousness show you are.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:15 pmKnow you are the bigger person.
Comment by trueblue — December 18, 2006 @ 7:09 pm
Says the person who insulted me because I would not do what you wanted. I think ‘f you’ was what you said the most. Mind your own business. LOL.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:18 pmTo whom it may concern…….
December 18th, 2006 at 7:20 pmWhen crossing a bridge,
One must pay the toll…
Otherwise,
thou art fair game…
for the troll……
you insult.
we defend.
You are one angry woman.
I was helping someone, not addressing you.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:21 pmI’d appreciate it if you did not addressme.
It’s not funny.
And I told you to “Dick Cheney yourself”.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:23 pmOnce.
Didn’t even say it.
You are petty.
Goof off over at Atrios, ForTruth. Or be labeled as what your actions and your lack of seriousness show you are.
Comment by Paul in LA — December 18, 2006 @ 7:15 pm
Don’t attack him… He didn’t do anything wrong here. He contributes frequently in a very positive and often serious way. Not everyone is a pessimist.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:23 pmYou are one angry woman.
More projection from the person screaming in all caps and with multiple !!! LOL
You call yourself tolerant, but than judge others who do not do things your way.
I feel sorry for you.
I was helping someone, not addressing you.
I’d appreciate it if you did not addressme.
It’s not funny.
Comment by trueblue — December 18, 2006 @ 7:21 pm
Yeah, you were helping… Try to dress it in all the female composure you wish – it doesn’t change the fact that you were actually meddling.
Besides, you made a reference to me, and as long as you do that, it is my business. I’ll damn well do as I please. Again, you are not my mother. So you stop addressing me or I will call you on it. Count on it.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:30 pmAnd I told you to “Dick Cheney yourselfâ€.
Trying to play semantics… pathetic. As usual.
You are petty.
Comment by trueblue — December 18, 2006 @ 7:23 pm
Better than a desperate control freak like you. And at least I can stay on topic.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:32 pmanger management….
I don’t do things in caps.
Take the chip off your shoulder, already. It’s not becoming.
That’s the last line I will ever say of you.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:32 pmYou are not worth it.
anger management….
Yes, you could use it.
I don’t do things in caps.
You did. Want me to go get it and remind you?
Take the chip off your shoulder, already. It’s not becoming.
Like you define becoming… You seem to think that sad and pathetic define it. LOL.
That’s the last line I will ever say of you.
PLEASE! I would die happy if you never opened your patronizing mouth about or to me ever again.
You are not worth it.
Comment by trueblue — December 18, 2006 @ 7:32 pm
Obviously, I am, or you wouldn’t have poked your holier-than-thou nose into it to begin with. Get over yourself.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:40 pmDr. Science & RU; puton = put on.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:41 pmI’m glad these influencial people are so concerned. What do they plan to do about it?
I’m really feelin’ the love here.
December 18th, 2006 at 7:50 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/06/roves-irritated/
NOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
WHY DON’T YOU LEAVE MY DAUGHTER OUT OF THIS!
YOU HAVE A PROBLEM, YOU ADDRESS ME.
DON’T EVER MENTION HER AGAIN.
Comment by trueblue — November 6, 2006 @ 9:30 pm
I wasn’t going to post it, until YOU kept at it.
We LAUGH at you now.
Good night, from me and my DAUGHTER!
Comment by trueblue — November 6, 2006 @ 9:43 pm
Looks like all caps to me….
December 18th, 2006 at 7:50 pmI’m really feelin’ the love here.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 7:50 pm
Exactly why, according to South Park, trolls are desirable to have around… :D
It’s an ‘Alpha’ thing… Alpha Females can be worse than Alpha Males. Personally, I find it funny. But, I’m sure, For Truth someone will criticize us for not taking this seriously either…
December 18th, 2006 at 7:53 pmyou are not worth any more band width.
Good night
December 18th, 2006 at 7:58 pmyou are not worth any more band width.
Good night
Comment by trueblue — December 18, 2006 @ 7:58 pm
Drop dead.
December 18th, 2006 at 8:04 pm[...] Read more Full Statement [...]
December 18th, 2006 at 8:18 pmAt this point I’m pretty much Switzerland.
December 18th, 2006 at 8:27 pmAt this point I’m pretty much Switzerland.
Comment by ForTruth
Oy. May I join you?
December 18th, 2006 at 8:32 pm[...]incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said he could support a brief increase in troop levels but only as part of a plan for phased withdrawal.
I wish th new Congressional majority stopped pussyfooting around this problem. They act as if they didn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. Or worse, they are helping Pres Bush avoid the embarrassment to acknowledge Iraq is an absolute disaster. The more the Bush administration feels Democrats are going along, the longer it will take for the troops to be withdrawn from Iraq.
Real people are getting hurt. Real people are dying. Cut the funding for Pres Bush’s illegal war already, and stop the talk about “increase in troop levels” -temporary or not.
December 18th, 2006 at 8:33 pmAt this point I’m pretty much Switzerland.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 8:27 pm
You seemed more like Brazil to me – funny, sunny and topless : )
December 18th, 2006 at 8:35 pmI wish th new Congressional majority stopped pussyfooting around this problem. They act as if they didn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 18, 2006 @ 8:33 pm
I’m glad you said this – because I’ve been wondering what it will take for the Democrats to stand up?
We gave them the majority, and they are still acting like the minority. Fear of doing the wrong thing has them doing nothing, and that course clearly hasn’t gotten us anywhere, but further into the abyss.
December 18th, 2006 at 8:37 pmYou seemed more like Brazil to me – funny, sunny and topless :)
Comment by unbelievable
Ok, I can go with “Brazilian”.
December 18th, 2006 at 9:05 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/06/roves-irritated/
I invite everone here to reread the entire post and see how this transpired.
I was trying to be nice and deflect/ get us to move on.
Like I did tonight.
Oh My God.
December 18th, 2006 at 9:06 pmI don’t deserve this.
Please, read.
No one is totally innocent, including me.
December 18th, 2006 at 9:13 pmI made mistakes. But this is simply too much.
I was trying to be nice and deflect/ get us to move on.
Comment by trueblue — December 18, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
No you weren’t. You wanted it your way, and when I was not going to do that, because the conversation wasn’t yet over – you turned it personal… said I needed to get laid (which I think was projection). And then, when your passive-agressive bullying didn’t get you your way – you went berserk.
If you can read that and think I was attacking your daughter, you really are desperate. Really. YOU were the one who showed her the thread – not me. If anyone is harming a child – it is you by allowing her into an adult forum and treating her as your friend…
You don’t intimidate me. Try as you might.
December 18th, 2006 at 9:19 pmJoe Barbera died
Hanna/Barbera fame.
Guess I’ll go watch some “Tom and Jerry.”
RIP
December 18th, 2006 at 9:19 pmOk, I can go with “Brazilianâ€.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 9:05 pm
But hold the wax on that one, right? :)
I spent my 33 birthday there. December was their summer – so it was bikini season. SOme of the most beautiful people I have ever seen. The guys were metrosexual there long before the trend started here. Perhaps some even had Brazialians… :D
December 18th, 2006 at 9:21 pmComment by unbelievable
Damn…
December 18th, 2006 at 9:23 pmDamn…
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 9:23 pm
:D
So, back to politics then… ?
December 18th, 2006 at 9:27 pmGuys, I won’t take sides, I won’t place blame.
But please play nice. No need to get personal.
Put away the swords and unleash your ire when some troll shows up.
What do you know? Trolls do serve a social purpose after all ;-)
December 18th, 2006 at 9:27 pmComment by unbelievable
Sure, so they release a report showing “concern”, so now what. What kind of power does the House Armed Services Chairman have?
December 18th, 2006 at 9:38 pm#56 Uncle Ho Cam on. I was spoofing…
December 18th, 2006 at 9:40 pmAnd I hear those Brazilians can be very uncomfortable for weeks. Ow.
December 18th, 2006 at 9:40 pmBut please play nice. No need to get personal.
I have always and will always maintain, that unless I am addressed first, I have nothing to say to certain people at TP. After all, we can’t all like one another. I accept that. However – if insulted, I won’t just take it. I’m not passive. I don’t sugar-coat things. And I don’t have a maternal bone in my body. I don’t make any pretenses about that. Some like that about me, and some don’t. I learned a long time ago that the only way to please everybody was to be someone I don’t like. So, while no offense to you, but I am not willing to be someone I don’t like (i.e. submissive).
What do you know? Trolls do serve a social purpose after all ;-)
Comment by Gregor Samsa — December 18, 2006 @ 9:27 pm
Did you see South Park when everyone was Atheistic? The population then they divided into groups of conflicting Atheists who battled one another. If you think about it – it does seem to be a part of being a predatory species – we need the ‘battle’ to keep our hunter-gatherer wits sharpened. And without obvious divisions, we invent them to keep the spar going…
December 18th, 2006 at 9:41 pmCan anyone explain to me what the Hell Harry Reid is thinking when he says it’s OK to send more troops in????
December 18th, 2006 at 9:43 pmMy WTF-Incredulometer is spinning around making me dizzy.
Reid has always been a wet noodle, good intentions only go so far.
December 18th, 2006 at 9:46 pmSure, so they release a report showing “concernâ€, so now what. What kind of power does the House Armed Services Chairman have?
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 9:38 pm
You’re a good sport :) I just spend too much time with teenage boys… I find just about everything becomes sexual in some manner… So ready for the break…
Concern… yeah, great… but, really, a bit too little a lot too late. Regardless of the faulty intelligence they saw, their job as the opposition party is to question. They didn’t. So I find their “concern” about 33 vertabrae away from a backbone…
As for power, I’ve begun to believe that it is a matter, at their level, of how they act. Power is as power does. So – to a degree – the House Armed Services Chairman has as much power as he exhibits. Let’s hope it’s more than “concern”…
December 18th, 2006 at 9:46 pmWhether they come to make the case for an increase, or to maintain the current troop level, or even some other option, they must be able to demonstrate a compelling need for each and every person deployed to Iraq.â€
Or just tell us that the chymp made you do it…
December 18th, 2006 at 9:52 pmThank you Unbelievable,
Hmmm…. What to say, no not that, hmmm… I live with myself all day long and that sort of makes everything sexual in nature.
December 18th, 2006 at 9:56 pmI live with myself all day long and that sort of makes everything sexual in nature.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 9:56 pm
I read that men have 20 times more testosterone than women… so, I bet you do :).
A friend of mine, some years ago, said that she went on steroids for her endometriosis. She said that she didn’t know how men did it, because after two weeks, she wanted to either f**k or fight everyone she saw…
December 18th, 2006 at 10:03 pmGuys, I won’t take sides, I won’t place blame.
But please play nice. No need to get personal.
Put away the swords and unleash your ire when some troll shows up.
What do you know? Trolls do serve a social purpose after all ;-)
Comment by Gregor Samsa
F*cking, amen.
December 18th, 2006 at 10:27 pmLots of f*cking tonight, heh.
December 18th, 2006 at 10:48 pmI read that men have 20 times more testosterone than women… so, I bet you do :)
Comment by unbelievable
Its a curse I must live out my life with…
December 18th, 2006 at 10:53 pm20 times more testosterone, thats like a motor that won’t shut off, like the energizer friken bunny, jeezus. And religion wants the Preist to completely abstain from sex, yeah right.
December 18th, 2006 at 10:55 pmLots of f*cking tonight, heh.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 10:48 pm
I thought that was supposed to make everyone happy… endorphins and all :)
December 18th, 2006 at 11:00 pmShe said that she didn’t know how men did it, because after two weeks, she wanted to either f**k or fight everyone she saw…
Comment by unbelievable
Difficult after one grows a handlebar mustache — the f*cking part, not the fighting part. The fighting part would be guaranteed….
December 18th, 2006 at 11:02 pmHell I’m happy.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:02 pmOops. Yenta’s got a mouth on her…
December 18th, 2006 at 11:03 pmAnd religion wants the Preist to completely abstain from sex, yeah right.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 10:55 pm
I suppose that’s the difference between those who live in a fairytale realm (where sex is dirty), and those who live with the reality that sex is as much of a human instinct as breathing and sleeping…
The more I unplug from the Matrix, the more I realize how utterly screwed up (you thought I was gonna say f*cked up? : ) our Puritanical culture can be at times. Especially when it comes to anything even remotely fun…
I had to break it to some of my students today that college in real life is not like American Pie…
December 18th, 2006 at 11:04 pmHell I’m happy.
Comment by ForTruth
With the mustache?
December 18th, 2006 at 11:07 pmWell hey, lets talk about oestrogen and progesterone now, those are some complicated formulations I would say.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:09 pmHell I’m happy.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 11:02 pm
Aren’t you married? You know – sex whenever you want it… :D
December 18th, 2006 at 11:09 pmI had to break it to some of my students today that college in real life is not like American Pie…
Comment by unbelievable
Just the sex part.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:11 pmWith the mustache?
Comment by Zooey
Yeah. The mustache…
December 18th, 2006 at 11:11 pmWell hey, lets talk about oestrogen and progesterone now, those are some complicated formulations I would say.
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 11:09 pm
Complicated is right…
Why I get along best with men… Testosterone is way easier to understand and interact with. I grew up with brothers, went to a predominantly male college to study, and then worked in a male dominated field. All of my students except three are male. I don’t understand women. Not that I really want to. ;D
December 18th, 2006 at 11:15 pmJust the sex part.
Comment by Zooey — December 18, 2006 @ 11:11 pm
For them, I don’t think there were any other parts…
December 18th, 2006 at 11:16 pmYes Unbelievable, I am married. The question about sex whenever I want it, you are too funny, nice one. I’ll take the bait. You know it’s not like that, you were married, and I’m sorry if you had to do that. Lets just say I have no complaints…
December 18th, 2006 at 11:17 pmThe question about sex whenever I want it, you are too funny, nice one. I’ll take the bait.
Sorry, couldn’t help myself.
Reminds me of that joke about what food kills a woman’s sex drive? Wedding cake… :)
You know it’s not like that, you were married, and I’m sorry if you had to do that.
Not me. I’ve never been married. I’m like the George Clooney of women… See no reason to do it as long as I can date 10-15 years younger and older than I am… Heck, I have students ask me out. If I weren’t old enough to be their mother, I’d be flattered. :)
Lets just say I have no complaints…
Comment by ForTruth — December 18, 2006 @ 11:17 pm
You’re a good guy. Your wife is lucky. She even lets you hang out with us ; )
December 18th, 2006 at 11:24 pmGotta run… It’s much later on the East Coast than it is there in the west… :)
Have a good evening!
December 18th, 2006 at 11:29 pmComment by unbelievable
Ahhh yes, I remember now from quite a while ago, you mentioned dating younger men.
I told my wife earlier I was watching these women argue on here. She knew I was entertained. Heh.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:30 pm“At this point I’m pretty much Switzerland.” –ForTruth
I suppose it’s metaphor, but you might want to know that Switzerland has a repressive gov’t and an out-of-control legal system, not to mention banking the money of state-sponsored terrorists from all over the world.
December 19th, 2006 at 12:14 amForTruth. How’s it going? I guess there could be some ego involved, but I also believe there are other important reasons for not losing in Iraq. First, I believe that there are elements of fundamentalist Islam that want jihad with the west (us) whether we want it or not. There have been many terror attacks against the west prior to 9/11 and many since. One benefit of fighting the war in Iraq is that the focus of these fundamentalist Islamic jihadist are on Iraq and not on New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Atlanta, your hometown, etc. Secondly, I understand that what is happening in Iraq is horrific. And, if we could just leave, admit defeat and return to a world free from terrorism, I would agree to it immediately. I just don’t believe that jihadist of the middle east are content to live in a world with compeating ideologies. Although many believe that surrendering Iraq will placate jihadists, I believe they will only be more heartily emboldened. What do you think?
December 19th, 2006 at 1:14 ampaul, I believe if man-unkind addressed the great gulf between the haves and the have-nots, the fuel for the fundamentalist Islam jihadists would blow away like chaff in the wind.
December 19th, 2006 at 1:46 amWhat do you think?
Comment by paul — December 19, 2006 @ 1:14 am
I don’t know about ForTruth. Personally, I think you don’t know what you are talking about.
Your long-winded post can be summarised as: “We are fighting them over there, so we do not have to fight them over here. We will not cut and run”.
Same neo-con talking points, lots more words.
December 19th, 2006 at 1:55 amunbelievable:
I’ts so good to see you’re still making ‘friends’ here at T.P..
Damn,you’ve been beat down on this thread so much,I actually started to feel sorry for YOU.
#114 Briseadh na Faire:
That Sir, is one well aimed,and richly deserved rebuke.
December 19th, 2006 at 2:03 amIm sorry, what was this thread all about?
December 19th, 2006 at 2:20 amBriseadh na Faire. First of all I found the Universal Laws and posted them to my favorites but I haven’t read them yet. Thank you. I agree with you that bridging the gulf between the haves and havenots will eleviate the threat. I believe that democracy is the means to accomplish that. I believe that one of Bush’s intentions in Iraq was to spread democracy in the middle east for that very reason.
December 19th, 2006 at 2:40 am“…extremely concerned…”?
Woah, that took a while, didn’t it? Harry, be a good Reid and
go home to Nevada, where the rednecks inbreed. This is what
we call ludicrous. Wait a few more weeks and everybody comes up and does what they want by themselves. Total confusion intentionally prepped by MC Dickjay C and the Loserettes. Selfservice on the budget – now or never – we need a complete NEW ARMY with more people. Unfortunately we have to cut a little bit around to keep ©The Enricheners
richer and take some more from the ones that don’t have a health plan in the first place. Fixing roads? Naaah, we’re gonna move around with Abrams tanks in town soon anyway.
Foreclosures? Pff, who told You to buy that overprized house anyway? And the gasoline? Now don’t be unpatriotic here!
You think six bucks per gallon is too much to support the troops?
The only way to bring the troops home is to donate money into the “Bring’em Home Now” – Fund. The BREHN Foundation will then bring the troops home based on injury or death. First
the dead, then the injured and then the regular fares. The dead fare is cheaper because there is no snack on the planes.
Injured ones don’t need much knee room so more fares will be sold.
A war doesn’t have only downsides. It’s a matter of perceiption. Is the Napalm tank half full, or is it half empty?
Give plenty to the ‘Bring’em Home Now Fund’, before there is nobody left to be brought home.
December 19th, 2006 at 2:46 amIraq’s Sunnis ‘risk ethnic cleansing’
December 19th, 2006 at 6:10 amComment by paul — December 19, 2006 @ 2:40 am
I urge you to do more research. One person whom I respect said you can find people’s true intention by where they spend their money: i.e. follow the money. Challenge your belief in Bush. Has his actions before or after invading Iraq been consistent with wanting to spread democracy for the reason of eliminating or vastly reducing the gap between the haves and the have-nots? (either here in the U.S.A. where we have democracy, or in Iraq, where we exported democracy at gunpoint?)
December 19th, 2006 at 9:28 amRe#123 Paul
In which speech before Bush invaded Iraq did he tell the Congress or the American people, that he wanted to invade Iraq to bring democracy?
That “reason” was not in his 2003 state of the Union.
That “reason” was not in Colin Powell’s speech at the UN.
If that were the reason would he not be guilty of TREASON because that would violate his oath as president for using our military for a reason other than DEFENSE of the country?
Do you always get IMAGINATION mixed up with REALITY?
As long as we are the making up reasons for going to war after the fact, I believe Bush invaded Iraq to make the streets flow with milk and hunny, so no Iraqi would ever starve again!
December 19th, 2006 at 9:31 amOne of the symptoms of clinical depression is an inability to let go of feelings of resentment. The urge to strike back at an offender, real or imagined, can persist indefinitely. The good news is that it’s treatable.
December 19th, 2006 at 9:39 amI don’t recall ever sending you any email even remotely discussing sexual compatability, so I just searched my “sent” file, just to make sure. I didn’t. We talked about spirituality v. athiesm.
My last email to you, dated May 21, 2006, answered your question “How’d you get Yahoo to do the italic?” and why I studied the Sermon on the Mount and the Tao Te Ching in my youth. I also discussed a view on particle/wave theory and replied to your question, “So, where do you think is the source for your [shamanistic] experiences – someone or something god like… or something less conscious?”
Now, if you wish to take something out of context and twist that into somehow implying that I desired you, well, there is a term for something like that. It’s called slander.
If the only way you can respond, well, I feel sorry for you.
You over-react. If someone gives you a gentle nudge, you respond with a baseball bat.
Trueblue is a friend of mine. You attacked her unreasonably. I would have stood up for you, had you been attacked unreasonably. (In fact, I think I did, back in May, when someone made disparaging remarks about your mother.)
I know you’re not scared of me. And I do not intend to frighten you. But have you ever looked beyond the reflection in the mirror? Do you dare to do so? For that is what terrifies you the most.
I tried to show you a path to Enlightenment. You choose to stick with Athiesm, as is your right. But Nature has a way of seeking balance. You lash out at those who would have been your friends. And you sound more and more like a lonely, bitter old woman. If that is not how you wish to be seen, you might want to rethink your replies.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:27 amWell good morning, I can still feel the love.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:30 amI’m home with pukey 3 year old. Its all good. You all could be dealing with poopy pukey little kid. Heh. Well come to think of it… nevermind… :)
December 19th, 2006 at 10:32 amI will be accepting naked pictures of females during regular business hours today.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:32 amWell good morning, I can still feel the love.
Comment by ForTruth — December 19, 2006 @ 10:30 am
Better get used to it. :)
I’m home with pukey 3 year old. Its all good. You all could be dealing with poopy pukey little kid. Heh. Well come to think of it… nevermind… :)
Comment by ForTruth — December 19, 2006 @ 10:32 am
Yuck… You’re a saint. My mom said that my father used to throw-up everytime he changed a diaper. I guess you’re doing fine? :)
I will be accepting naked pictures of females during regular business hours today.
Comment by ForTruth — December 19, 2006 @ 10:32 am
Any naked female? Be careful what you wish for :)
December 19th, 2006 at 11:21 amYeah, better narrow it down, how about: I will accept naked pictures of attractive legal females between regular business hours today.
December 19th, 2006 at 12:13 pm“I also believe there are other important reasons for not losing in Iraq.” — paul
Then you are trusting the wrong C-in-C to bring those results.
This one failed to guard any of the 400 metric tons of high-explosives in Iraq. FAILED TO WRITE A SINGLE ORDER TO GUARD THE MUNITIONS WE KNEW WERE THERE.
Then he published Hussein’s nuclear bomb plans on the Internet — in ARABIC.
Oh, and he let Bin Laden escape, by underdeploying troops to Afghanistan because he was saving them for his Iraq adventure.
So, yeah, you trust the wrong person.
December 19th, 2006 at 1:27 pmYeah, better narrow it down, how about: I will accept naked pictures of attractive legal females between regular business hours today.
Comment by ForTruth — December 19, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
That should keep you from the same affliction as your child : )
Hope he/she is feeling better. You too. :)
December 19th, 2006 at 3:38 pmBnF,
My response to you won’t post. Not sure why. Will try it in pieces
December 19th, 2006 at 4:24 pmI don’t recall ever sending you any email even remotely discussing sexual compatability, so I just searched my “sent†file, just to make sure. I didn’t. We talked about spirituality v. athiesm.
You did. It’s why I stopped responding to your messages after that. It offended me.
I had posted in a thread about sexual compatability and you then sent me the thread with a comment that said “as the saying says… Let’s find out.†No other way to interpret that.
But the fact that you went to check your emails shows that you thought it was possible. Why is that?
My last email to you, dated May 21, 2006, answered your question “How’d you get Yahoo to do the italic?†and why I studied the Sermon on the Mount and the Tao Te Ching in my youth.
No, your last email to me was about 9/11 and it was in October. There were several in bewteen May and October that I did not respond to, because your comment about sexual compatability made me uncomfortable.
Now, if you wish to take something out of context and twist that into somehow implying that I desired you, well, there is a term for something like that. It’s called slander.
Only if it isn’t true. And it’s true. You can pretend it isn’t… but one thing I am not is a liar.
If the only way you can respond, well, I feel sorry for you.
With the truth?
December 19th, 2006 at 4:25 pmI tried to show you a path to Enlightenment. You choose to stick with Athiesm, as is your right.
Ah ha! There it is – right there! I never realized that this was about that. About you being angry that you couldn’t convert me to your way of thinking. I assume from this, that you think that your only way is the only right way. So typical of all the religions I reject. You all pretend to want to engage me, but in the long run, it is about validating your own views by getting someone else to confirm them. And then when I don’t – you must turn me into someone who is “evilâ€.
“I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do.â€
–unknown
This explains trueblue – as she admitted her anger was with my Atheism. katy as well. But I had no idea that you shared their path on this.
Well, I’m glad to know. It’s the missing puzzle piece that explains sooooo much now.
And I thought you were beyond that sort of resentment.
But Nature has a way of seeking balance. You lash out at those who would have been your friends.
You assume I wanted or want to be friends with you or those people. I did not and do not. I have a lot of friends in my real life, and am very selective about whom I add.
I’ve lashed out at no one. I simply have refused to be manipulated. Call it what you will, but it doesn’t make it so.
And you sound more and more like a lonely, bitter old woman. If that is not how you wish to be seen, you might want to rethink your replies.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 19, 2006 @ 10:27 am
Only because that is how YOU are chosing to read my posts. You assign the tome and character. And you’ve done it slanderously yourself, because I actually just speak in a normal voice without malice. Seems your choice to do so only implies that you yourself are bitter about my religious choices.
I have nothing to rethink. Just because a couple of people in a written blog who have never met me want to vilify me because I won’t be submissive to their demands, I’m supposed to put your ridiculous request over the reality that your minority view is not valid in my view of myself? Ha. Good one. There will always be people who don’t like me. The fact that they are people like you does not impact me. Get over yourself. I already have.
December 19th, 2006 at 4:25 pmBullshit, Unbe-
I’m just tired of you shoving it down everyone elses throats.
I’m not religious at all.
You keep talking, and pretty soon no one will talk to you.
Leave BnF alone.
December 19th, 2006 at 4:34 pmLeave us all alone.
Bullshit, Unbe-
I’m just tired of you shoving it down everyone elses throats.
I’m not religious at all.
It was you who shoved your way down my throat and when Iwouldn’t act the way you wanted, you began harrassing me. I told you that the compromise was simple. Leave me alone and I would leave you alone. I’ve left you alone until yesterday when you couldn’t keep your anger in check, apparently. It is you who says angrythings. I just say thngs, and because they aren’t what pleases you, you think you have some right to harrass me or stand on a soapbox and condemn me. Well screw you. I’m sick of you acting like a helpless victim when YOU provoked this exchange like an immature brat who doesn’t get her way.
You keep talking, and pretty soon no one will talk to you.
You wish. Plenty of people talk to me. In fact, ylking to me. And I’ll be thrilled when you stop.
Leave BnF alone.
Leave us all alone.
Comment by trueblue — December 19, 2006 @ 4:34 pm
Look, lying freak, I do leave you alone. It is you who cannot leave me alone. What is wrong with you?
December 19th, 2006 at 4:45 pmWow. Just…wow.
December 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pmJust…wow.
Comment by Zooey
Exactly :(
December 19th, 2006 at 5:04 pmThanks, guys.
You know I love ‘ya!
December 19th, 2006 at 5:14 pm:)
I stand corrected, Unbelievable. I did send you one email, on September 27, asking for your opinion regarding http://www.v911t.org/911PlaneSite.php. Either you didn’t view the video or you choose to believe in the Administration’s lies in spite of the laws of physics to the contrary.
And I checked my emails to find out how the heck you could find any one of them even remotely suggesting that which you accuse me of. Your quote above, “as the saying says… Let’s find out.†didn’t come from any email of mine.
Several months ago you asked me about Shamanism. For whatever reasons, you discontinued the discourse. Too bad. A shaman works with forces you don’t believe in, both light and dark. Your anger, hatred and bitterness are visible to me. The 105 Universal Laws apply to Athiests as well as Spiritualists. Too bad you won’t read them and understand.
Your claims about me are as your name implies, Unbelievable.
December 19th, 2006 at 5:20 pmAmen, Briseadh na Faire!
December 19th, 2006 at 5:31 pmBnF,
December 19th, 2006 at 5:32 pmoops, would a shaman say “Amen”?
It was simply an ‘I agree’ statement.
Funny how things like that creep into vernacular….
I will only post an advice I would use for me if I were one of the arguing people here:
Will my words help me and others in the thread to become better human beings and a society or they are just an expression of my bruised ego?
December 19th, 2006 at 5:33 pmI stand corrected, Unbelievable. I did send you one email, on September 27, asking for your opinion regarding http://www.v911t.org/911PlaneSite.php. Either you didn’t view the video or you choose to believe in the Administration’s lies in spite of the laws of physics to the contrary.
Yes. I do not lie. You did send me that one last. I chose to ignore it as I did the several since May when you sent the one about sexual compatability. Because if you could cross that line, I saw no point to continue the discussion.
As for 9/11, you never mentioned how many years of Physics you’ve studied… How many is it? I’ve had 9 courses in physics and building related Physics from an engineering university. And then I practiced it for 14 years. When you get caught up, lemme know. Until then, I see no point in discussing this subject with someone uneducated on such matters.
And I checked my emails to find out how the heck you could find any one of them even remotely suggesting that which you accuse me of. Your quote above, “as the saying says… Let’s find out.†didn’t come from any email of mine.
Yes it did. You also said that if you making comments like that bothered me to let you know. You can pretend you didn’t send it, but either you are lying or you deleted it and forgot.
Several months ago you asked me about Shamanism.
No. I asked you about ‘pygmalion principal’ in here and you asked me to email you about it. Afterward – YOU started with the religious stuff. I didn’t ask.
For whatever reasons, you discontinued the discourse.
I told you why. You turned it sexual. You are married. I wasn’t going to give you any idea that I was even remotely open to you going there.
Too bad. A shaman works with forces you don’t believe in, both light and dark.
Apparently you are so good at it you’re controlling this discourse…
Your anger, hatred and bitterness are visible to me.
Then you are blind. People who actually know me would laugh at you. A lot. That’s ridiculous. And just because you appointed yourself as an authority over irrational nonsense doesn’t mean you are qualified to judge anyone else.
The 105 Universal Laws apply to Athiests as well as Spiritualists. Too bad you won’t read them and understand.
Your sanctimony is beyond obnoxious. The only thing that applies to me is reality.
Just because you ‘believe’, it doesn’t give you the right to condemn those who don’t. Which is hypocritical as you’ve claimed to be open minded. In fact, just last week you said exactly the opposite of what you are saying now.
I have a wonderful life. So, for you to claim otherwise shows your don’t have the first clue of what you are talking about.
Your claims about me are as your name implies, Unbelievable.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 19, 2006 @ 5:20 pm
I made no claims… I only spoke the truth and exposed you for the fraud you are.
And, in typical hysterical women fashion, it will be you the delusional defend now. Totally predictable.
But there is an easy fix. I’m great at ignoring people. Unless they insult me. Take me upon it.
December 19th, 2006 at 5:52 pmWow. Don’t you think a lot of yourself.
You’ve pissed off a number of regulars with your venom.
Even last night I stated that no one was perfect, and I made mistakes.
Yet you can not do the same.
Talk about Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Just drop the whole thing, please? Oh, is that too angry for you?
I’ve said please twice. In response, you have told me to ‘drop dead’. Nice. Who’s angry?
Just let it go, ok? Life is too short.
December 19th, 2006 at 6:04 pmWow. Don’t you think a lot of yourself.
More projection and insults. Do you do anytihng else? Like perhaps, comment ontopic?
You’ve pissed off a number of regulars with your venom.
You’ve pissed off a number of regulars with your thread hijacking over inane nonsense and inability to let go and move on.
Even last night I stated that no one was perfect, and I made mistakes.
Yet you can not do the same.
Talk about Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
It’s all about you. You have to compare yourself to everyone else and then condemn them when they don’t measure up to your standards. It’s why I had started to ignore you initially. And then, you freaked out.
When I am wrong, I have admitted it. In this case, the only mistake I ever made was trying to reason with you. Otherwise, I’m just doing what I said I would do – not tolerate being insulted.
Just drop the whole thing, please? Oh, is that too angry for you?
See, here’s the thing. You want me to do what you want. That’s so freaking self-centered.
I did drop it. You got the last word last time. But that apparently wasn’t enough and youhad to start up again. So – you started this one – you drop this one.
Stop telling me to do what you won’t.
I’ve said please twice. In response, you have told me to ‘drop dead’. Nice. Who’s angry?
“Go dick cheney yourself” is angry. drop dead is a brush off.
You’re tlling me to do something and then trying to berrate me while failing to realize that you yourself won’t drop it.
Just let it go, ok? Life is too short.
Comment by trueblue — December 19, 2006 @ 6:04 pm
Then why are you still chattering about it? If you were serious, you would let it go.
See what I mean?
December 19th, 2006 at 6:16 pmBut there is an easy fix. I’m great at ignoring people. Unless they insult me. Take me up on it.
Comment by unbelievable — December 19, 2006 @ 5:52 pm
December 19th, 2006 at 6:16 pmWow. This whole thing started when I tried to save you.
I am no troll.
I will take my own advice, though, thanks.
December 19th, 2006 at 6:33 pmTrueblue,
Of course, Unbelievable is offended by any remark about sexuality:
Comment by unbelievable — April 17, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
and:
and this:
Comment by Tundra — April 17, 2006 @ 8:34 pm
Flirting with me again, I see ; )
Comment by unbelievable — April 17, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
finally capped of by this:
and the email Unbelievable misquotes?
amen to that!!! (care to put the hypothesis to a test? —just kidding…)
Perhaps it is Unbelievable who is envious of my spirituality. She has derided the thought of breathing a cloud away, yet I’ve taught others to do so as well.
Perhaps she was offended because I was just kidding. After all, I have mentioned on these boards that I wear a kilt. And you know what they say about a woman scorned. I mean, to take what I wrote and somehow twist that into insinuating that I, a married man, was interested in having an adulterous affair with someone who lives a couple of thousand miles away takes either dimentia, a great imagination, or wishful thinking.
And Trueblue, as you can see, a shaman would say “Amen.”
There’s another word, a greeting, I say to you:
Namaste.
December 19th, 2006 at 7:53 pmIt must have been the kilt, I know it gets me everytime. :)
December 19th, 2006 at 8:17 pmNot so fast;I have one thing I’d like to add to this discussion.
Atleast twice in the last 50 posts,unbelievable said that she ‘doesn’t lie’.
Yet she told me,thus everyone else on this blog,last spring,that her Mother was dead.This turned out NOT to be TRUE.
Now answer your own question: What kind of person would say that about their own Mother just for the sake of winning an argument?
Now you all are beginning to see why I’ve had such acrimony with her in the past.
Just for the record,BnF, I never,ever,insulted her Mother,that’s if you were referring to something I might have said.
December 20th, 2006 at 2:22 amShe told me her Mom was dead after I said she probably lives at home with her Mom.
All this can be found in the archives.
This is who you are dealing with,and she has no respect.
Si Byl, if memory serves correctly, it was Walt the Man who made the disparaging remarks.
I have found, be it Unbelievable or anyone else, we usually find fault in others those faults that lie within ourselves. Unbelievable accuses others of being passive/agressive, yet her posts are just that. And when someone repeats the mantra “I do not lie” I wonder whom s/he is trying to convince. And, as you saw above, she attributed a direct quote to me something which I did not say.
Her thinking I was trying to “convert” her to shamanism was so far off the mark as to be pathetically laughable. Walking the path of a shaman is a calling, and a gift. One does not convert to shamanism. One is, or one is not, a shaman.
Perhaps she was upset she could not convert me to the rational belief system of Athiesm. I will readily admit shamanism does not deal with that which can be perceived by the five senses. But that does not make shamanism irrational, only non-rational.
Even the rational system of Athiesm makes certain assumptions, mainly, that that which can be perceived by the five senses (enhanced by technology) is the limits of the Universe. Shamanism rejects that premise.
But I digress. Your point is well taken, Si Byl.
Peace and Blessings.
December 20th, 2006 at 10:34 amBriseadh na Faire: Namaste,and thank you.
December 20th, 2006 at 11:05 amEscalation? Possibly. With a new president we might gain enough good-will in the world to create a force of over one million soldiers to PACIFY the ‘insugency’, disarm the entire nation, and secure the borders so that jihadi’s would not be able to ship weapons or enter for their martyrdom. Then, the people could elect another government, build an army and law enforcement structure, and we could reduce the entire occupation army to border patrol duties. Naive? I haven’t heard any better ideas. Compartmentalization would only set the stage for future civil wars unless we did the pacification and border control anyway. I guess we could just leave and send an apology. Any other viable options?
December 20th, 2006 at 7:49 pmJust for the record;
I had absolutely nothing to do with the multiple postings that took place all day,on multiple threads.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:59 amPerhaps she was upset she could not convert me to the rational belief system of Athiesm. I will readily admit shamanism does not deal with that which can be perceived by the five senses. But that does not make shamanism irrational, only non-rational.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 20, 2006 @ 10:34 am
Wrong yet again… but I’ve had enough of you. You’re wasting my time.
Besides, I’ve made my point. Leave me alone and you’ll have no problems, but insult me and you will. It has been and will be that simple.
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