Snow On Whether We Are Winning In Iraq: ‘I’m Not Playing The Game Anymore’
Snow On Whether We Are Winning In Iraq: ‘I’m Not Playing The Game Anymore’
Less than two months ago, President Bush said explicitly that the United States was “winning” in Iraq. 10/25/06:
REPORTER: Are we winning?
PRESIDENT BUSH: Absolutely, we’re winning.
This weekend, former Secretary of State Colin Powell said that “we’re not winning. We are losing.” Asked about Powell’s comments, Snow replied, “I’m not playing the game any more.” Watch it:
Transcript:
Q Can I just come back to Powell one more time? Just to be clear, one of the points of disagreement, we are losing, you disagree with that?
MR. SNOW: Again, the President has said before that we are winning. Look, what Colin Powell is saying, we’re not winning, so therefore we must be losing, and then he says, all is not lost. So I’m just — I’m not going to get — what I am saying is that we will win and we have to win, and that’s the most important — that’s the most –
Q You’re not disagreeing with him?
MR. SNOW: I’m just — I’m not playing the game anymore. It’s one of these things where you end up — it all ends up trying to — you’re trying to summarize a complex situation with a single word or gerund, or even a participle. And the fact is that what you really need to do is to take a look at the situation and understand that it is vital to win, that there is — by winning, that means to have an independent Iraq that really does stand on its own as a democratic and free state that supports us in the war on terror.
Q Can I ask the gerund another way? The President said in October, “Absolutely, we’re winning.” Is that still his belief today?
MR. SNOW: Again, the President — that’s why I’m just — I think at this point it ceases to be fruitful to jump into this. We think that what is happening is we are going to win and that we need to find better ways of dealing with the sectarian problem.
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Way to go, Tony! Glad to hear that you are getting off the “we are winning/we are losing in Iraq” train.
There really is no good reason to prolong that debate. It doesn’t matter. The only important thing is what GDumbya will decide to do next.
Let’s talk about that, shall we?
December 19th, 2006 at 10:21 ama “game”? tell that to the families of the nearly 3000 dead US military, and the families of the tens of thousands dead iraqis.
asshole.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:23 amWell, it’s official, he’s starting to gaggle as his boss does, it would be hard for him to find a job in the media with that type of gaggling.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:23 amAnd just exactly what “game” is he talking about?
Just when you think this administration has run out of ways be outrageous, they find new and innovative ways to do it.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:23 amWell Tony Snow you are a game host player, so resign and go back to FOX whore news!
December 19th, 2006 at 10:25 am“I’m taking my dolls and going home now!”
December 19th, 2006 at 10:25 am—Tony Snow
Why should Tony do anything he doesn’t want to? With his complete lack of morals he ought to be allowed to say or do anything he wants.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:26 amAwww, poor widdle Toe-knee….
December 19th, 2006 at 10:27 amYou can’t quit now, bunkie, you’ve got two more years to go before you get to assume that legacy polishing position in Crawford…….
Is the name of the game
December 19th, 2006 at 10:28 am“How Much BS Can You Ram Down Their Throats”?
Tuck U Fony
uh-uh. When he says he’s not playing the game anymore, that means he’s playing it.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:28 amTime to start the ‘when will Snow quit’ pool.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:29 amWe think that what is happening is we are going to win and that we need to find better ways of dealing with the sectarian problem.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:29 amTranslation:
How can we get the Sunnis into concentration camps without the Saudi’s figuring it out?
tony bah loonie.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:30 amIf “the game” he perceives is “try to trick PR into saying something that contradicts the President” and he refuses to “play” because he keeps “losing” then what he’s saying is that he’s no longer going to try to tell us what the President is thinking.
So. If you’re not going to be the mouthpiece for the President, then why should the press show up any more? Seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?
December 19th, 2006 at 10:31 amEvery time you show up at the press briefing, Snowflake, you’re playing the game.
Don’t kid yourself…
December 19th, 2006 at 10:33 amWhat a tragedy that these evil fools are in positions of power in this once great country. I’m sick. It is beyond outrageous
December 19th, 2006 at 10:33 amIt’s a game. Like GlobalThermoNuclearWar is a game.
They should pelt him with baseballs as soon as he hits the podium.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:34 amGame????? What #@%&*$! game???? Thousands dead, unknown numbers of people captured and taken from families and tortured. Billions of dollars down the drain, debt up to our collective eyeballs, and this clown calls “winning or losing” a game!!?? The problem is that he is taking his orders from rove/cheney/bush so we now know that they don’t like being held to their standard of measure. . . . what else is new?
December 19th, 2006 at 10:37 amOf course he doesn’t want to play the game anymore. That would mean they would have to define “winning” and they can’t. They shift more than the sorrounding sand dunes of Iraq.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:38 amTony realizes today that he made a bad career move, he’s in well over his head. Being the White House Press Secretary under Bush is probably the most difficult job on Earth. Dick Cheney is probably the only one qualified for the job. He would use a two or three word expression involving self-intercourse as an answer to every question.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:39 amTony Fox states “you’re trying to summarize a complex situation…” The situation is not that complex. The United States invaded and occupied, and continues to occupy, a country that never remotely threatened the citizens of this country. That invasion has cost the lives of over a half million Iraqis and three thousand American military personnel. In order to prevent more violence and bloodshed, the United States, the instigitator of that violence, must leave Iraq as quickly as possible. How many of the Democrats have framed Iraq in this way? With the exception of a few courageous congressmembers, the answer is close to zero.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:40 amHey, Snowjob: You ARE the game! You’ve been used as a patsy. Just figuring that out, are you?
December 19th, 2006 at 10:48 amYou mean like that movie with Sean Penn in it? That was a good movie!
December 19th, 2006 at 10:49 ampoor tony and his problems
December 19th, 2006 at 10:51 amhow would you like it if you worked for a lying, mass murderer that steals from the public treasury to enrich himself and his friends?
I believe the term Snowflake is looking for was summed up nicely on this post a few days ago.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:55 am‘Trying to achieve peace through war is like f*cking for virginiy.’
Anyway you slice it, you’re screwed.
That’s the ‘game’, Snowflake.
Peace is Hell.
War is Profitable.
I don’t like this game so I’m going home you poopyheads. My daddy can beat up your daddy.
Sure is great to have such maturity in our leaders.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:55 amYou can’t win if you don’t play!
December 19th, 2006 at 10:57 amTony, zip up your gerund, your participle is showing.
Bombastic.
December 19th, 2006 at 11:08 amYou can’t win if you don’t know the rules, don’t know what to bring to the game, don’t know your opponent, don’t know how to prepare, don’t know how to tell your teamates how to play, don’t trust your teamates and don’t care to keep score.
Why doesn’t this administration listen when we say that we don’t like this game either.
December 19th, 2006 at 11:08 amHaving a stable Democratic government and support for the war on terror, is winning Iraq. OK how long do you estimate that take, and at what cost?
December 19th, 2006 at 11:12 amMemo to the Snowman: It’s NOT a game.
December 19th, 2006 at 11:19 amsnow…..melts!
December 19th, 2006 at 11:21 am…and along the way, it turns into this grey grimy slushy mess that just won’t go away quick enough………
(The gritty old snowbanks along my driveway remind me of Tony’s forehead today…..
Tony Snow partial anagram
Snoty now
December 19th, 2006 at 11:37 amyon wonts
December 19th, 2006 at 11:41 amWonty Son
December 19th, 2006 at 12:01 pmOh, it’s a game! In that case, I’ll take “Worst Press Secretaries of All Time” for 2,957, Tony.
December 19th, 2006 at 12:03 pmAnother TS anagram
Noty wons (read Nutty ones)
December 19th, 2006 at 12:06 pmMostly Blow
December 19th, 2006 at 12:11 pmStony Crow
December 19th, 2006 at 12:12 pmTon O’ Swyn (as in pig). Think this is my favorite
December 19th, 2006 at 12:12 pmThe only thing left in Iraq is the killing.
December 19th, 2006 at 12:13 pmTimeto Go………..
December 19th, 2006 at 12:13 pmReminds me of the scene from Aliens where the marine (played by Bill Paxton) starts freaking out and saying “Game over man! Game over!!!”
December 19th, 2006 at 12:15 pmthe complex situation he refers to is reduced to a “game”!!!??. Not only is this fool Snow ignorant he is also insensitive to the personal trauma this disaster has caused military families. But then again are we surprised? This is the same jerk who referred to the escalating casualty rates of soldiers in Iraq as “just a number”.
December 19th, 2006 at 12:19 pmThe name of the game is “Risk”
It is a board game like Monopoly. You choose sides, occupy countries and then roll the dice and see whether you win or loose that country throught troop and material attrition.
Dubya is right now using the delux model produced by Franklin Mint which you can buy also for ten easy payments of 29-95 plus S&H.
He and Barney have been at it for three years and the dog has been beating his master at every roll of the dice.
December 19th, 2006 at 12:22 pmI agree this TS is following the example of his boss and is beginning to prostitute the english language when he adresses the public.Stupid senseless frases like stay the course, play the game, the way forward and other hidden fascist slogans are necessary to treat voters like programmed androids.
Somebody should tell this moron that he is not there to filter any questions but to inform the public.
December 19th, 2006 at 12:43 pmYou know the debate is serious when one side opens up a can of grammatical whoop-ass on the other.
Next week: White House Press Secretary Tony Snow nit-picks reporters’ spelling errors before they even go to press!
December 19th, 2006 at 12:44 pmI am so glad. Now it is official. It was a game all along. All those thousands of victims since 2001, the whole policy of
December 19th, 2006 at 1:36 pm© The Deluded Dozen was just a game. Man for a moment I thought the coffins were for real.
But I am glad that Tony Cocain doesn’t want to play ‘the game’ anymore.
I want the Wild West back. In those days they were hanging people for stealing a horse or a cow.
Here You can be a mass murderer and give press conferences.
Uncle Sam turned ugly, very very ugly. Somebody needs to send him into therapy.
For an administration with absolutely no reading comprehension skills, they sure do focus on grammar and punctuation. Especially when they’re in th wrong!
December 19th, 2006 at 1:53 pmThen you shouldn’t have taken the job as Press Secretary for the worst president ever. You should have seen the hard questions coming, since you wouldn’t be safe in your warm fuzzy Fox studio.
December 19th, 2006 at 1:59 pmSorry, in “the” wrong. Jeez!
December 19th, 2006 at 2:11 pmJane – I thought you were doin a lil Abner on us!
December 19th, 2006 at 2:47 pmRUCerious, that’s what I get for typing too fast and not proofreading!
At least, I assume that you were referring to my typo, or is “doin a lil Abner” some new euphemism?;-)
December 19th, 2006 at 2:55 pmi wonder if snow was stamping his feet and holding his breath.
December 19th, 2006 at 3:40 pmwhat a piece of shit.
By stating he is “not playing the game anymore” he is, in fact, playing the game
Idiot.
Liar.
Tool.
December 19th, 2006 at 4:23 pmWhat do you expect from a Fox News pundit? The TRUTH? LMAO!
December 19th, 2006 at 8:27 pmThey need to give this guy a new job title- Minister of Propaganda!
Or, minister of spin!
Or, minister of bullshit!
Hello, Snow. I want to play a game. Are we winning or not winning? Make Your choice ;-)
December 19th, 2006 at 9:33 pmThinkProgress failed to note another aspect of the press conference. Tony Snow suggested that in tallying the war dead, some Iraqis should be counted, and others shouldn’t.
Sadly, the reporter didn’t follow up on this question: why shouldn’t an official tally of Iraqis killed since the war began include those who have died at the hands of insurgents, foreign fighters, or sectarian violence? How can those deaths not be considered directly related to the Iraq War?
December 20th, 2006 at 12:30 amThis is off of this thread – House Armed Services Chairman ‘Extremely Concerned’ With Iraq Escalation Plans -Dec. 18 ,2006
Available in older posts section for free and at absolutely no charge. You have to read the whole thread to appreciate it.It`s a real gem.
Not so fast;I have one thing I’d like to add to this discussion.
Atleast twice in the last 50 posts,unbelievable said that she ‘doesn’t lie’.
Yet she told me,thus everyone else on this blog,last spring,that her Mother was dead.This turned out NOT to be TRUE.
Now answer your own question: What kind of person would say that about their own Mother just for the sake of winning an argument?
Now you all are beginning to see why I’ve had such acrimony with her in the past.
Just for the record,BnF, I never,ever,insulted her Mother,that’s if you were referring to something I might have said.
She told me her Mom was dead after I said she probably lives at home with her Mom.
All this can be found in the archives.
This is who you are dealing with,and she has no respect.
Comment by Si Byl — December 20, 2006 @ 2:22 am
Trueblue,
Of course, Unbelievable is offended by any remark about sexuality:
Men’s peak is 17, and women’s is 40. I’m guessing I’m closer to 40 than you are to 17? :)
Comment by unbelievable — April 17, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
and:
I think it’s a plot by women in their 40’s so they can get 17 year old men :)
Comment by Tundra — April 17, 2006 @ 4:19 pm
I assure you, that’s mostly a guy fanatasy. As men age they get better in other ways. :)
Comment by unbelievable — April 17, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
and this:
If a course is called “Shaving your legs†there is no reason to discuss how to braid leghair (That’s for unbelievable)
Comment by Tundra — April 17, 2006 @ 8:34 pm
Flirting with me again, I see ; )
Comment by unbelievable — April 17, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
finally capped of by this:
If I were asked for a one line answer to the question “What makes a woman good in bed?†I would say, “A man who is good in bed.â€
- – Bob Guccione (1978)
Comment by unbelievable — April 18, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
and the email Unbelievable misquotes?
“If I were asked for a one line answer to the question “What makes a woman good in bed?†I would say, “A man who is good in bed.â€
- – Bob Guccione (1978)
Comment by unbelievable â€
amen to that!!! (care to put the hypothesis to a test? —just kidding…)
Perhaps it is Unbelievable who is envious of my spirituality. She has derided the thought of breathing a cloud away, yet I’ve taught others to do so as well.
Perhaps she was offended because I was just kidding. After all, I have mentioned on these boards that I wear a kilt. And you know what they say about a woman scorned. I mean, to take what I wrote and somehow twist that into insinuating that I, a married man, was interested in having an adulterous affair with someone who lives a couple of thousand miles away takes either dimentia, a great imagination, or wishful thinking.
And Trueblue, as you can see, a shaman would say “Amen.â€
There’s another word, a greeting, I say to you:
Namaste.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 19, 2006 @ 7:53 pm
December 20th, 2006 at 4:11 am#60
unbelievable…
It’s truly amazing how many have had issues with her–but it’s never her fault. Just ask her.
December 20th, 2006 at 8:04 am