Anti-Muslim Congressman Has ‘No Intention Of Apologizing’
Anti-Muslim Congressman Has ‘No Intention Of Apologizing’
Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) is under fire for a virulently anti-Muslim letter sent to constituents earlier this month. In the letter, Goode says, “I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States” if we do not adopt “strict immigration policies.” He references the election of Muslim Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN), and warns “American citizens” to “wake up” or “there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office.”
Last night, the Council on American-Islamic Relations said the letter “sends a message of intolerance” and called on Goode to apologize.
In an interview today with ThinkProgress, Goode’s press secretary Linwood Duncan declared that Goode has “no intention of apologizing.” Duncan repeatedly refused to answer more detailed questions, saying only that Goode’s letter “speaks for itself.” Asked whether Goode had ever targeted Muslim-Americans in his previous statements, Duncan said, “I’ve worked here for 10 years, and I’m not aware of this topic being addressed in the past.” You can call and ask for an apology HERE.
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Racist bigoted assh*les never apologize. That is why Bush won’t ever apologize either.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:25 pmThe letter does indeed speak for itself.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:25 pmHe has nothing to apologize for. What a bunch of idiots. Go around screaming about Christians and raising alarms and that’s ok. Then there come the Muslims who are extremely prejudice. And they should be protected by the Progressive Thinkers? You all must be smoking crack I mean really.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pmHey, for a politician like this one, bad publicity is often better than no publicity. Nixon, for example. Incumbents like name recognition.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:28 pmIf cons hate Islam so much; why did they liberate radical Islam from Saddam (who ran a secualr nation and silenced/killed radicals), and then name in the Iraqi constitution Islam as the national religion and source of all Iraqi law?
If cons were consistent (which they never are) they would have left Saddam in power to silence, torture and kill radicals.
COnservatives aren’t too bright. Thats why they are conservatives!
December 20th, 2006 at 3:31 pmAsk him if he would wear the prophet with bomb in turban t-shirt in public. Virginia it’s for ethnic cleansing.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:31 pmThis guy is now going to be a star in rethug circles, watch. There is nothing that a rethug can do or say that will get them ostracized.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:33 pm#3 joesillogical…if you’re going to post, please make some sense. Thank you.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:34 pmIf Christians could also claim that they only have a few tens of thousands of radicals. Why they have more child molesters than THAT!
December 20th, 2006 at 3:34 pmwell joeslogic, it looks like you are as big a f*cking assh*ole as Goode is. So much for religeous freedom. And by the way, dipshit: the guy from MN is an AMERICAN CITIZEN. Why are you cons so stupid?
December 20th, 2006 at 3:36 pmHe said the truth! It’s funny how you Leftys mention C.Ai.R here. It’s a group that has ties with Hamas and Hizballah. They also didn’t condemn the Holocaust conference in Iran.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:37 pmNeo-Nazis/Islamists and Leftists, a match made in heaven!
This racist bastard Goode needs to apoligize and resign ASAP!!!
December 20th, 2006 at 3:37 pmOF COURSE………he’s a Republican…………..
December 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pmThe State of Virginia showed its true colors, they are still mad over the civil war and mad as hell at black and brown people or anything different. Pray for that state it needs a purging.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pm“Ask him if he would wear the prophet with bomb in turban t-shirt in public. ”
I have and have been aplauded for it!
December 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pmEgad, he looks like Mr. Burns on “The Simpsons.”
“…if I were to have them killed, I would be the one to go to jail. That’s democracy for you.”
December 20th, 2006 at 3:40 pmThe STILL unresigned Virgil Goode R-VA…….
December 20th, 2006 at 3:40 pm#3 joeslogic
We scream about radical christians who are just as bad as radical muslims …
Intolerance has no place in our government… if any of our elected officials spout such bigotry, i do not think they are capable of being effective leaders.
What he is saying about Islam is the same bigoted line used by conservatives since the 19th century, except then it was about Irish Catholics and the dangers of Popery. The influx of immigrants of a different religion did not destroy us then, it will not destroy us now … in fact it will make us stronger.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:41 pmThe STILL unresigned Virgil Goode R-VA…….
Boss Hogg: “Virgil? We gotta get hoppin’ and go after the Duke boys…I think they izz MUZZLUMMZ!!!!!!!!!”
December 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmBrilliant.
In one swoop he proves beyond any doubt that neocons are just as much a threat to our “Freedoms” as the Muslim extremists are.
Personally I think he should stop mincing words and re-issue the letter to more accurately reflect his mindset: instead of “Muslims” say “Niggers & Muslims”.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmPlease do not let the muslims gain a foothold in America.It leads to all kinds of communications between them which invariably leads to thoughts of Allah which eventually leads to sleeper cells which eventually leads up to terrorists which eventually leads to bombings which eventually leads to killings.This viscous cycle of Islam and Islamists coming to America must stop now.You let them get setup,and before you know it they are like rabbits or mice,they are everywhere speaking that foreign lingo like no one knows what they are thinking.When we actually do know exactly what they are thinking.They go into a trance and then start murmuring Allah`s name and before you know it that demon spirit has taken ahold of the boy and twisted his soul up in black sashcloth trying to eat it alive for all eternity.This is why muslims and the muslim faith must be stamped out on a worldwide basis.I am all for congressman and senators to keep us safe from the roving bands.Muslims are trying to gain a foothold onto christian ideals and territories.We will not stand for this.I have alot of faith in Mr. Reid.He will vote to keep this war going so we can stamp out terrorism and the Muslims.They are threatening Christianity.This will not stand.When the Roman Catholic Church tell any nation to go to war,they go to war.Nations have no choice in the Vatican`s decisions.They all obey the Vatican.Even the United States of America.Our Vatican is the most powerful govt.and the most powerful banking establishment in the world.You cannot change this.Therefore you must come on board to be spared from noncompliance with the Lord our God.You have no real choice.Not at the end of the day.It`s God Almighty or nothing.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:42 pmThis is the level of Christianic hatred and bigotry that winds up with people being gased to death by the millions.
This god damned Christian pile of shit doesn’t deserve to live in America.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:45 pmIf he believes we should ban Muslims, why apologize? But then why would we put in Congress anyone with such hateful views? The next time he comes up for reeelection, the citizens of his distinct should be reminded of what an insult to Virginia little Macaca, Jr. really is.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:46 pmWhy do you Lefties care what he says?
He has a right to free speech! If he feels that way why not!
AshenShard,
December 20th, 2006 at 3:48 pmThere’s a differnce between Muslims and others. They want special treatment and want to impose Sharia law on others. Look at the problems France, UK and Netherlands are havinhg with Islamic immigrants.
jorge, my hat’s off to ya. People do like consistent behavior. My argument is the selectiveness regarding Rep. Goode’s choice of which Illegal Immigrants he deems worthy. Again as I said yesterday this is not about Muslim immigrants his posturing is to his constituencies attitude towards Latino immigrants he’s just using Muslims as a straw-men. Now where is Newt with his revised first amendment……Would that include repealing hate speech too?
December 20th, 2006 at 3:48 pmGood – the sorry s.o.b. can join G. Felix macaca-boy in the ranks of the used-to-was’es
December 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pmwow……..hey Answeil Vacharette (R) Va, can I please have some of whatever you are smoking? It makes the shit we get here seem weak! That has got to be the dumbest post I have ever seen on a message board. You nutjob righties used to be amusing, like watching animals at the zoo. Now you are a danger to this country and must be eliminated at all costs.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pmGoode says, “I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United Statesâ€
I think Republicans have a cut and paste speech library somewhere. I mean if you take out Muslim and place Jews, blacks or mexicans, you have their party platform for the past 50 years.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pmHow about this Republican ass resigning his seat in the Congress today?!
December 20th, 2006 at 3:50 pmThe truth is, Jorge, that while Goode certainly has a right to say these, they are crazy notions that no Senator should actually try to push.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:50 pmRacism has gotten America nowhere.
Answeil Vacharette stop the act and convert Islam already. You will learn to love people for who they are, not for what they believe in. You wont have hate in you anymore. Right now you have way to much time on your hand to defend this so called “dinosour” politician.. Go get a life
December 20th, 2006 at 3:54 pmMuslims aren’t a rae. It’s a religious/cultural group. So disliking Islam isn’t racism. The same way you Leftists criticize Christians, we have a right to criticize Islam. so stop bitching complain about something else.
Jay Randal,
December 20th, 2006 at 3:55 pmDo you want to live under Sharia Law?
Well, look at the way all the Jews in Congress have ruined America! (humor)
December 20th, 2006 at 3:56 pmCould the Muslims do any worse? (humor)
Joe Illogical,
December 20th, 2006 at 3:57 pmI voted for Mr. Ellison.
I’m proud of that.
I’m Christian.
I’m not always proud of what today’s Christians in politics have become.
Coexistence is the only way out of this. Period.
Firebranding, racism, Nationalism, greed, envy and jealousy will not.
America was built proudly on accepting all, regardless of race or religion.
If you don’t like America, move to Russia. Or Kazahkistan. Or Waco.
I don’t care where you go, but if you don’t like America’s foundation, you don’t have to stay here. You don’t own America. Neither do I. Sure, coprorations want to own America. They want to own everything. They already own our President. Do they own you, too?
Start thinking for yourself. Give it a try, it really works. It’s called self actualization. Too big a word? How about being responsible for one’s own actions.
Having a Muslim in congress may be the best thing to come out of the midterm elctions. So far, Congressman Ellison has held his head high and not kow-towed to K Street or Pennsylvania Avenue.
You go, Keith! America has work to do, and the clock’s ticking.
#24 Jorge
Muslims are no different from anyone else. Most monotheistic religions want to impose their beliefs and laws on everyone else. Is the same with the christian right in this country.
The problems in Europe with the Muslim immigrant population is racism. They cannot get good jobs and are passed over for promotion, etc. In many ways, Europe is having many of the same issues as the US, except in the US the main groups are Mexican and South American.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:57 pmI think Republicans have a cut and paste speech library somewhere. I mean if you take out Muslim and place Jews, blacks or Mexicans, you have their party platform for the past 50 years.
Bingo. And restricting immigration has been so effective in limiting the numbers of those groups in America, historically, hasn’t it?
December 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pmRE: Nations obey the Vatcan:
I distinctly recall the Vatican telling Bush that they were against the Iraq invasion and Bush telling the envoy, “Don’t worry heh heh, it is gonna be quick and bloodless”. Plus – W is a born again – all us Catholics are going to hell as far as he is concerned – nice.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:58 pmPlease do not let Answeil Vacharette (R) Va. gain a foothold on all TP threads. It eventually leads to hijacking, which eventually leads to off topic tangents, which eventually leads to some assinine post by JMH or Happy Dude. This vicious cycle must stop. You let them post, and before you know it, there like rabbits (well, not JMH). They are everywhere, posts that are non sensical. They go into a trance and then start murmuring Bush’s name and before you know it that demon spirit has taken ahold of the boy and twisted his soul as he watches Fox News and listens to Rush Limbaugh for all eternity. This is why trolls and the troll’s posts must be stamped out on a worldwide basis, especially Answell Vacharettes (R) Va. You have no real choice.Not at the end of the day. When one can only copy and paste, one does not truly think, and thus one does not truly exist.
Oh, and as Spudge_Boy would say so eloquently…
December 20th, 2006 at 3:59 pmF&CK YOU!
That’s an awfully big brush you’re tarring everybody with, Jorge.
December 20th, 2006 at 3:59 pmAshenShard,
December 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pmI’ve met Europeans, they said they wish that like the US the immigrants were Hispamnic. We come from the same Judeo-Christian root as the US and Europe. We assimilate better than Muslims. That’s a fact. Muslims want to live under Sharia law. That’s the diffrence.
Obviously you’re a head in the sand Leftists that your blinded by Political correctness propaganda!
See, Jorge, here’s the thing again.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pmThere is a big difference between criticizing Islam and Goode’s remarks. I myself have criticisms of Islam, as I do with Christianity and most, if not all, major religions out there. But because I criticize Christianity, I don’t worry about Christian people being elected to office, since the majority of Congress is Christian. I like many Christians, foremost among them Jimmy Carter.
Goode’s remarks, though, don’t merely criticize Islam. He suggests calling for the racial profiling of Muslims, and Exclusion Acts that would make the 1882 one whimper in shame; laws that say Muslims can’t have certain jobs.
Whether or not they have to wear Green Crescent & Star markers is still ambiguous
XENOPHOBIA
December 20th, 2006 at 4:02 pmMain Entry: xe·no·pho·bia
Pronunciation: “ze-n&-’fO-bE-&, “zE-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin
: fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign
He disrespects the American flag by wearing such a GOD AWFULLY ugly tie, it’s no surprise he has no respect for “certain” immigrants.
What a douche.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:02 pmKinda sad when the best Virginia Repugs can put up is Virg Goode ol’ Boy and Georgie “Macaca” Allen. Makes you question the gene pool there.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:02 pmYou have no real choice.Not at the end of the day.It`s God Almighty or nothing.
Comment by Answeil Vacharette (R) Va.
You are absolutely delusional. Long live atheists!!!!!!!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:03 pmIn a way America is already ruled by Sharia law Jorge, because Bush acts like a Taliban leader who talks to some god for guidence. America cannot survive 2 more years of Bush stupidity, so he must resign with Cheney, or both of them impeached!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmGoode’s district includes the elite liberal-leaning stronghold of the University of Virginia. I would think this action of Goode’s would occasion some serious response by constituents . . . albeit not the one’s who reelected him.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmWe’ve got a majority. That’s all it takes to boot someone from the House. This kind of rhetoric is simply unacceptable.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmConservative Repug mantra:
We don’t wish to learn
December 20th, 2006 at 4:05 pmBut we hate what we don’t understand
I’ve met Europeans,
Comment by Jorge
Wow! Like, in person, or what!
Gee, imagine that, and they didn’t even try to kill you?
You must be the luckiest person alive!!!!!!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:07 pmMuslims are not molesting children in the US.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:08 pm#40 Jorge
If Muslims want to live in Europe and subject themselves to sharia law, that is fine … as long as they don’t try to force it on others.
Muslims are also not one distinct group … there are different levels from the most basic of practicing to nonpracticing.
And the reason Europeans would rather have Hispanic immigrants like us is because maybe they are more willing to put up with bull crap than muslims are. At least that is what i see. You also forget that muslims come from the same Judeo-christian tradition. All originated from the same area.
And i don’t see why assimilation is necessary … to work correctly, assimilation needs to work both ways … if it only worked one, we wouldn’t celebrate holidays like cinco de mayo and st patricks day in this country.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:09 pmYeah, when I heard he was a big Shania Twain fan I was like, “ok, that’s it.”
December 20th, 2006 at 4:10 pmA bigot never apologizes for his aberrant behavior. I wouldn’t expect this slob to even approach something resembling dignified behavior or remorse for reprehensible behavior. He’s a jackass of the first order and needs to be put out of office for this heinous backstabbing he’s done. Everyone needs to bombard his office with letters expressing the shame which he should be feeling for his embarrassing and calous behavior. How dare him think that he represents the american people and do such things? He needs to be either forced into an apology or forced out of office.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:13 pmBeing muslim is not compatible with being an American. This is a cult like “religion” that is ruled by a small, radical inner core. They cannot assault the “great satan” of America with military so they will use our own constitution to take over this country. As soon as they have 50.1% of the vote, ALL freedoms will be extinguished. They are filling our cities with Trojan muslims who will kill our country just as surely with their vote as with weapons. This is a Judeo-Christian country and we ought to be asking ourselves why so many muslims are coming here when they hate us so much. The answer is that this is an invasion. Death from within. I pity future generations because today’s Americans don’t have the guts to put a stop to it. Better practice screaming Allah Achbar.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:17 pmof course he won’t apologize…..
find out the background and he probably isn’t that far from being a nazi/zionist. do you all think bushy is a friend of the muslims. pp, pf, pft, pft. HELL NO. he is slaughtering thousands of their people for absolutely no reason……ooops yes, it’s for oil. all of the iraqis fighting are NOT ‘bad guys’ they are defending themselves in the slaughter of their own. so goode go suck another dick and gorgy porgy start watching how you classify ‘turrrhists’because the only terrorist i know of is you.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pmAshenShard,
You’re a hypocrite. It’s ok in your mind for Muslims to live under Sharia law, but God forbid people in Alabama want to live under Biblical law you would be the 1st one bitching an moaning.
People should all live under the same laws of that country. No special treatment or laws for anyone!
Jay Randal,
December 20th, 2006 at 4:20 pmIf this country was under Religios rule, why are you allowed to post. Why do I have religious freedom. Grow up and stop being hystreical.
Wow. So an elected member of congress has decided he won’t represent any Muslims in his district. Quick question – what if the Muslim is an American citizen and requires the assistance of his or her elected representative? Should the congressperson be able to pick and choose whom he works for? That doesn’t sound right to me. Representatives are elected to work for their constituancies, not a religous movement. It is weak thinking which has brought us to this place. As a pharmacist may or may not decide to fill your prescription (based on the pharmacists beliefs), now a congressperson is putting up notice those citizens he would not want to represent. If people who work for us (congress) cannot do their jobs, then we should force them to resign their office. All US citizens need to be represented – I think it is in the Constitution.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:21 pmJorge: satirical genius or 5th grader? I’m giving 3:1 odds to 5th grader.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:22 pmAdherents of Islam (Muslims) want to destroy non-believers. As in, most of the U.S. Wake up people! Look what’s happening in Iraq – the Shiites and Shias are killing each other in a most BRUTAL fashion because of their difference of opinion on religion. Please read and understand their teachings. Mohammed was no different than Hitler. He would rather see a million people die rather than have a hair on his own head harmed. Jesus, on the other hand, would die for the lowliest, piece of trash human. So, whom would you prefer to follow? Because the Muslims will not stop until they dominate the world. Look at how they treat their women! Look how they treat each other! They’re like the Borg – stop ‘em now or watch our children get slaughtered.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:23 pm#55….
December 20th, 2006 at 4:23 pmthe word christian could be substitued for the word muslim throughout your post, and there would not be a lick of difference.
And, for your information, the real objection this particular Virginia legislator has to Muslims, is that:
THEY DON’T USE TOBACCO!!!
Yeah Jay, stop being “hystreical.”
December 20th, 2006 at 4:24 pmHey DRxJ,
Don’t quote me out of context now. I clearly said:
Fu*k You!
Heh.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:24 pmHmmmmm?
December 20th, 2006 at 4:24 pmIt’s strange how we seem to Tolerate the confronational behavior of the so-called “conservatives”…or “Christians” even though they have NO concept of Foregiveness..Love..empathy…the Hallmarks of Jesus..as in “let he who is without sin “.
I am SO sick of these people getting away with turning ANY debate into a personal attack…in the media..everywhere…I think it’s time we begin a campaign to call them what they are..
In this regard we must find a “term” or “title” that fits..that can catch on..that adequately describes the Pattern..
I hereby throw down a gauntlet…
How about “Stubborn Stupids” (the S.S.?)
Or maybe ..as they seem to love labels..how about “ChristoFascists”
Or one I’ve heard before, but I still like..”Repugnicans”
I would like to paraphrase a statement that just..chrystalized..for me…their very NATURE.
‘..To understand Stupid people well…you must first understand that, their minds are not PHYSICALLY crippled…it’s just that they have CHOSEN to be STUPID..because that offers ITS OWN KIND OF POWER. To win a great many small contests of will, they need only to ignore ALL EVIDENCE. Bright people will BREAK DOWN trying to argue with them…’
Sounds right.
Speaking of Evidence..
Some interesting Data…regarding the so-called “Red States” Their very Nature, once recorded, becomes FACT..”Proof” or Evidence of the ACTUAL Wisdom and Behaviours of these people. A recent book compiled ALL the state and national data regarding Social, Financial, Cultural patterns..what do you know..Red States are the LEADERS..the TOP 10 in the following categories..
HIGHEST INCARCERATION
HIGHEST FEMALE INCARCERATION
HIGHEST NUMBER OF EXECUTIONS
HIGHEST RATE OF DEATH BY FIREARMS
HIGHEST RATES OF SUICIDE
HIGHEST GROSSING GAMING MARKETS (although
New Jersey is #2)
HIGHEST POVERTY RATE
HIGHEST DIVORCE RATES (”family values”)
HIGHEST ILLEGITIMACY RATES
HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF OBESITY
HIGHEST ILLITERACY RATES
Oh yeah..the Highest rate of College Graduates? of the top 10 are EIGHT are BLUE..
The FACT is, they don’t have the “Right” to attack us..while THEY live in Denial.
Seperation of Church and State…before it’s too late!
#55 Bil
Continue being paranoid and you will never realize how wrong you are. I said it before, I’ll say it again, the same thing was said about the influx of Irish Catholics in the 19th century… conservatives said their religion was not compatible with being American because they would take orders from a single man, the Pope. Did the Catholic Church ever take over our country? no. anyway, your scenario has no possibility of happening … what, 90% of our country is christian? and immigrants from mexico and other hispanic nations are coming to our country even faster, so even if it was an ‘invasion’ by Islam, there is nothing to worry about.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:24 pmOh yeah, and it is just as cult like christianity, judaism or any other religion.
Bil,
December 20th, 2006 at 4:25 pmOnly the Notheast will and Northwest will fall to Islam. The rest of the country made up of Patriotic Democrats, Redneck Republicans, Blacks, Mexicans and Cubasn will resist and stop the Caliphate.
New York will be New Mecca and the call to prayer will be yealled from the Emppire state building!
But in Free america, we’ll still have secular law. It won’t be a complete loss!
I agree with him. And I think we should keep out Christians too! And Jews of course.
No religious fruitcakes of any sort should be allowed anywhere in the United States. Especially not in Congress.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:26 pm#57, did i ever say it was wrong for people in Alabama to live under Biblical law? no i did not, so rather than putting words in my mouth i think you should ask what i believe about that rather than making assumptions. Thats what people who think do.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:27 pmIf anyone wants to live under religious laws that is their choice. Laws of the nation, however, come first but should not specifically target a person of a given religion. Religion itself has no place in government, which ideally should be void of religious symbolism, etc.
Only the Notheast will and Northwest will fall to Islam.
Comment by Jorge
I already have a burkha in my hall closet, just in case.
Jorge, you don’t have to live your life in fear.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:30 pmActually Raven, Arabs, a great many of which are likely Muslims (though I am not sure that a distinction is clear in this thread) use lots of tobacco. Egypt has a thriving tobacco trade.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pmThe real funny thing about Jesus and the morality that christians spout off about was actually supposed to apply only to Jews. Love thy neighbour was love thy jewish neighbour. But of course that and much more, has been lost in translation.
Morality is a part of human beings just as sexual desire is. It has been proven that religion is not needed for morality. Humans don’t have to think that some eye in the sky is watching them. Morality grows as humans evolve. Just look at slavery for example. Up until recently slavery was encouraged but today it is simply understood to be wrong – and not just in one country but around the world.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:31 pmIt seems like organized religion, it’s misuse by it’s leaders and followers is really the problem here. Maybe it’s time to update our collective way of thinking and evolve. Is there war in heaven?
December 20th, 2006 at 4:32 pmAshenShard,
December 20th, 2006 at 4:32 pmTher’s a big difference between Mexican, Irish and Muslims.
I mean what’re we gonna celebrate, Jihad day?
No group should be given special treatment.
Can somebody call up Karl Rove to tell him to hire more intelligent trolls for the TP threads! Pudgy Rove can at least hire ones that can spell correctly > lol.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:32 pm#60 lunky
Christians act in the same way … remember the wars between protestant and catholic? the civil war in england?
December 20th, 2006 at 4:33 pmand as for the muslim treatment of women, how much different is that from the christians?
AshenShard,
”
Laws of the nation, however, come first but should not specifically target a person of a given religion. Religion itself has no place in government, which ideally should be void of religious symbolism, etc. ”
So why do you support Sharia law for Muslims. Doesn’t that contradict your point?
December 20th, 2006 at 4:33 pmJorge, you don’t have to live your life in fear.
Comment by Zooey
Well said, college girl :)
December 20th, 2006 at 4:34 pm“No group should be given special treatment.” Of course jorge wouldn’t include christians as a group. The very definition of bigot.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pm#73 Jorge
And no group should be singled out for their religion. let muslims be muslims, catholics be catholics, jews be jews. if a christian can be american, if a jew can be american, than so can a muslim.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pmWhen I was a kid I used to believe that our representatives where intelligent and thoughtful people.
Boy was I wrong. We would probably be better off as a nation if we only elected cab drivers and hair-stylists.
Surely we have a few good statesmen in Congress, somewhere… I’ll let ya’ll know if I discover one.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:37 pmEctoEndoMezo,
December 20th, 2006 at 4:37 pmYour the reason why abortion is legal. So losers like you don’t exists. Go get a life.
#70..
December 20th, 2006 at 4:38 pmthanks, I’ll admit I was not being totally cosmopolitan in that statement….
I was making an assumption about the Virginia legislators perceptions……
#76 Jorge
It doesn’t, if they want to follow Sharia law they should be able to. Its following their religion … its like, say, a christian following the 10 commandments. is it a crime in our country to commit adultery? of course not, but it is a crime in christianity.
but this is not to say that someone born into a religion should be forced to follow that law. following religious law should be left as a personal spiritual choice, unlike following secular federal law, which is an obvious requirement.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:38 pmWell said, college girl :)
Comment by Juan C
Thanks, Juan.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:38 pmWhat is this? Weird-assed troll day on TP?
#58 Tom -
Should the congressperson be able to pick and choose whom he works for? That doesn’t sound right to me. Representatives are elected to work for their constituencies, not a religous movement.
And you don’t think this is going on at all levels of our goverernment? Looks to me like the environmentalists have lost out to the oil and utility companies, real science has lost out to evangelicals, intelligence and reality have lost out to Neocons, etc.
What a legacy the Bushcos have left us!!!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:39 pmGood heavens, the nutjobs are out today, aren’t they?
As a Christian, I have no fear of Muslims taking over the country, or of anyone else for that matter. My biggest concern at the moment is that I’m tired of having to defend MY religion because of all the “crazy Christians” out there spouting this nonsense. And if this isn’t racism, I don’t know what is.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:40 pmGood googely goo there’s some moronic trolls on board today! Jorge, what the hell is a ‘Hispamnic’.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:42 pmI haven’t read the other comments yet, but this is the type of person who would fit very comfortably back in Nazi Germany. And it’s also exactly why it COULD happen here!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:42 pmRadical Christians and Muslims alike are all disgusting and despicable. The problem with Goode is that he doesn’t think so.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:42 pm“What is this? Weird-assed troll day on TP?”
I think the christian college kids are home for the holidays.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:42 pmThere is no paranoia there. The muslims have an agenda. They cannot be compared to mainstream Christians or Jews at all. Sure, there are right wings in both, but the majority is not silent out of fear for their lives. Muslims are. Most Christian churches accept homosexuals, muslims believe they should be killed. Most Christian churches think it is okay that your God might be called Budah or Allah or even Ra. Muslims believe that if your God is any other than Allah, you should be killed. I’ve read the Koran. It is as crystal clear as anything ever written and there is a vast number of people who take this document in a literal sense. It is absolutely frightening.
Look, let them have the middle east. Stay there. We shouldn’t want to go there. By the way, did you know that if you travel to most of the muslim countries and have a Bible in your luggage, it will be confiscated? I’ve lost several that way.
We allow religious freedom, but at the caveat that is should and must be seperate from the government. Sharia is the government application of Koranic law. Most muslims are fine with it. No thinking non-muslim should be fine with it.
This country was built on freedom. Islam is counter to freedom. It is an unforgiving religion. This is not bigotry, it is observation and study. I’m pretty liberal in most areas, but in this one, I can see us losing everything that this country is. Just listen to their leaders, particularly coming out of Iran. It’s there to see and hear. Pay attention.
The time to do something is now, not later. If we don’t, then it is a matter of time before we’ll be dealing with this in the streets. Look at the riots that were caused by cartoons. A cartoon? People died over something like that. If that doesn’t get your attention, nothing will. Not even Salmon Rushdie being put under a death sentence by some ayatollah.
The only good thing about this whole problem is that it is bound to drive all the races in America together to defend America.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:43 pmJuan C,
December 20th, 2006 at 4:44 pmGo back to being a fetus and get aborted please!
As for the congressman? At least he has the guts to speak the truth. Too bad people are branding him a bigot. He ought to be a hero. The rest of ‘em are too scared to talk about it. I wonder when the muslims will go after him.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:45 pmI think “Jorge” is the pResidents attempt at multiculturalism……….
December 20th, 2006 at 4:45 pmWassa matta lil Georgie? Lil Tommee DeeLay won’t let’cha play on his blog?
VIRGINIANS HELP ME!!!!
Where exactly is this big freakin’ rock all these Repug Virginia Loonies are crawling out from under? It could make a better tourist attraction than Mt. Vernon!!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:46 pmHypocrisy 101 as related to U.S. History
Separation of Church and State – FALSE
Our “nearly” perfect form of Gorvenment – FALSE (sorry founding fathers, but corruption is ubiquitous.)
All men are created equal – FALSE (slavery)
And the ONLY thing that pulled the South up from it’s chronic state of depression was through the FREE labor of slaves (who helped build the railroads too.) And whites bitch about affirmative action?
You see “Whore-hay”, I’ve met Europeans too (and Australians, and Japanese.) I’ve travelled around the World and learned a great deal about how the rest of the World views our infant (in historical perspective) country. In three words we are, Arrogant, Narcicistic and Prejudice.
We are NOT liked by every other country, except Mexico. Your “type” is the face of their hatred, not mine.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:46 pmYou guys just don’t get it. They want to impose Sharia law on all of us. C.A.I.R has stated that they want the US to be an Islamic state. But you guys are delusional losers who complain about everything.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:48 pmThank God us Moderates are the majority of the Democratic Party.
If you George Soros Al-Qaeda loving loons were in charge I would fear frore my nation and party.
Thank godness Hillary will win and Us Moderates will have the power.
Ha ha The DLC rules losers!
What a parade of horribles. He needs to be deprogrammed.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:48 pm#55 This is a Judeo-Christian country and we ought to be asking ourselves why so many muslims are coming here
Oh, I don’t know, freedom from religious persecution perhaps? You might want to look into a document called the U.S. Constitution, the first amendment in particular.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:49 pm“weird ass troll day…..”
December 20th, 2006 at 4:49 pmColorado Springs got hit with a big snow storm last night…
#85 upside00 is correct. The legacy bushco left will take about 35-50 years to undo – if he doesn’t destroy the country first. How very sad, but at least gays can’t marry one another (snark).
December 20th, 2006 at 4:50 pmBill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Damn that Constitution!!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:51 pmJuan C,
Go back to being a fetus and get aborted please!
Comment by Jorge
Jorge, go back to being a fetus, so maybe you can be born again.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:51 pmMaybe this time you’ll be raised decently.
Bil, good comments. The problem is people like Goode fight against islam by using christianity and say things like “We are a christian nation with christian laws.” That is just wrong. We have secular laws and everyone living in the US must conform to those laws and no religion can impose laws based on their beliefs.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:51 pmGee..Brilliant response..this is by definition a “small contest of will..” much more important to you that you simply WIN…and the only way for that to happen is for you to simply A: ATTACK or B: Ignore the Evidence…
December 20th, 2006 at 4:52 pmYou are simply..not making ANY sense…and by the way..when I was born..abortion was NOT LEGAL..so that choice was not really available…idiot..but you just keep attacking..go ahead and prove the point…you will eventually be put into a Jar for people to stare in wonder at…”yes folks..this here used to be known as a ChristoFascist..they were a relatively influential group of angry, stupid people that thrived in America at one time..”
Yup! that is your fate Moron..”The Angry Fool”
So..attack..attack..tora..tora..tora..
See folks..This is the REALITY of UNITY…the “Uniter not a Devider” that these swine worship..well..the REALITY Of UNITY is on the streets and Highway’s of America…this …ceature..this STUBBORN STUPID (S.S.) is the same person who zips right up to the crosswalk while people are crossing…who does 45 through a residential neighborhood..
And for emphasis..notice that HE/SHE DOES NOT ADDRESS ANY “POINT” JUST …..ATTACKS…can you imagine if this were the method of debate in a court of law? or …anywhere for that matter..just ATTACK the person you disagree with..well..bully tactics are the HALLMARK of the Christo Fascists….the new S.S.
The data on RED STATE conditions is becoming known…
JUST REMEMBER MARK RADER..THE BTK KILLER..A PETTY BUREAUCRAT( would fine people for their lawns being unmowed) A SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER, AND….A SADISTIC RAPIST AND KILLER…
JUST ANOTHER FINE UPSTANDING WHITE CHURCH GOER..JUST LIKE, IT TURNS OUT…SO MANY OTHER RED STATERS..THE FACTS ARE IN…THIS IS WHO THEY ARE…
Colorado Springs got hit with a big snow storm last night…
Comment by Raven
Does that mean there will be more them in 9 months? Yikes.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:52 pm#100 Raven -
So did Denver but I heard it missed Tom Tancredo (Sighh!) What a pair he and Goode are!!!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmI’m a Clintonista and proud. Us Moderates rule, not you Leftists loons or the Christian Right. We are the majority and yes, we disagree with Bush, but we love our Country. I don’t want my grankids to live under Sharia law like Europe will.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:53 pmI’ll take Bush over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad any day!
All the religious nutjobs need to ascend to their respective gods and leave the Earth to the rational folks. That goes for Goode and Ellison and every other politician nutcake swearing oaths to uphold my precious, godless Constitution while clutching their f-ing holy books. Good grief.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:55 pm#106 Zooey -
Maybe not as many as you think. As you know, a lot of the Loonies in Colorado Spgs (Haggard and the Boyz) are closet gays so their lineage should stop there!
December 20th, 2006 at 4:57 pmBil,
December 20th, 2006 at 4:58 pmBravo as a Democrat I couldn’t agree more with what you said! The Left is driven Bush hatred so they admire Al-Qaeda, Hizballah and Iran. They go by the enemy of friend is my friend principle.
I voted for Gore over Bush and I disagree with him on almost everything. But I’ll take him and the Religious Right anyday over Islamic rule. I can argue with the Religious Right. With Islam, they would kill me that’s the diffrence. But most of the people here Rich, spoiled Ostrich Leftists that belive in Political Correctness crap!
I’ll take Bush over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad any day!
Comment by Jorge
For christ’s sake, stop beating off that dead horse.
December 20th, 2006 at 4:59 pm#108…
December 20th, 2006 at 4:59 pmYou’ll take Bush over Mahmoud?
In a fair fight?
I’ll see you and raise you, double or nothing…
Weird-assed troll day on TP?
Comment by Zooey
We have Jorge who has had too much Telemundo and is telling us how much do we have to hate Muslims, cuz the Sharia law and crap…
Reading him, I was this close to throw away pillows, mirrors, telescopes, lens, toilets, astrolobes, algebra books, soaps, glasses, coffee, and all those evil Muslim creations.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:00 pm#108 I’ll take Bush over Mahmoud Ahmadinejad any day! Sir, why the choice between two of the craziest people on the planet? So it’s kind of a ‘dumb and dumber’ sorta thing? The lesser of two evils? Wow – what a tool!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:01 pmUs Moderates rule,
Comment by Jorge
“Yea, and Dems and Repubs are Nerds, NERDS!!!
Yea man, is this like cool or what?”
Gee, are we out of Middle School yet, Beavis?
December 20th, 2006 at 5:01 pmYikes – your partly right. Our laws ARE based on Christian teachings, that’s what the framers knew. Goode may be saying that as an easy way of saying it, but I’d bet he understands the seperation of church and state.
As for the muslims coming here from muslim counties, my goodness, is it really an attempt to escape religious persecution? Interesting concept that they would flee their country because their own religion persecutes them. The guy that thought that one up better sit down and think about it.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pmI would like to ask anyone who believes that the USA is a “Judeo-Christian” country please supply evidence in the form of something from the Founding Fathers era. This is, and always has been, a SECULAR nation. Too bad if you don’t like it. Also, it’s pretty ignorant to think that with just 50.1% of the vote, all of our constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms can be taken away. One would have to amend the COnstitution to do that, and that takes 3/4 of the states, considerably more than “50.1%”. Ignorant.
#97 Jorge,
“You guys just don’t get it. They want to impose Sharia law on all of us. C.A.I.R has stated that they want the US to be an Islamic state.
I admit that I am no expert on either religion or the groups that support them, but my understanding is that Muslims are expected (under Islamic law) to obey the laws of the country they are in at the time. (I’ve heard Muslim basketball players mention that.) If this is true, then why would CAIR say “that they want the US to be an Islamic state”? That sounds inconsistent. Do you have support for your claims about CAIR’s “goals”?
Thank you.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:02 pmWhen Hillary is President she’ll deal with the Islamic threat more effectively since the media will back here. They won’t go afyter here the way, they go after Bush. That’s the advantage us Dems have. Plus all these blogs will support us when Hillary attacks Iran so everyone here will change their toon.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:03 pmI’m an honest Democrat, we do control the media. That’s a goos thing power is good!
Jorge Cornholio
December 20th, 2006 at 5:04 pmGee, are we out of Middle School yet, Beavis?
Comment by DieNowForPeace — December 20, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
I think we’re dealing with the other one DieNow….
December 20th, 2006 at 5:05 pmJuan C,
You ignorant phoney Hispanic tace traitor,
The Muslims didn’t invent any of that. They got that from India. Read some history you naive fool!
By the way, do you have a life? Propbably not you’re just some stupid nerd that hates your own country.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:06 pmWayne A. Schneider,
December 20th, 2006 at 5:08 pmThey’re lying. Islam teaches to conquer and subjigate others.
Jorge…..
December 20th, 2006 at 5:09 pmDid YOU find Pastor Haggards unused stash of meth today up there in Co. Sprgs.?
By the way, do you have a life? Propbably not you’re just some stupid nerd that hates your own country.
Comment by Jorge
Stop pissing your bed long enough to learn something, moron.
And f*cking learn to spell.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:11 pmDream on Regressives, Us Moderates are the majority and we rule this nation! You guys will never be in power! At least you can all live in your little fantasy world here. Like the American people care about youtr radical ideas.
You guys are losers, go form your own party and leave us Real Democrats alone!
Hillary Clinton ‘08!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:12 pmThe Left is driven Bush hatred so they admire Al-Qaeda, Hizballah and Iran.
Comment by Jorge — December 20, 2006 @ 4:58 pm
Yeah, because there is nothing between Pres Bush and AlQaeda. Nothing. There is only this big, huge ideological, philosophical, religious limbo that separates them.
Your drivel translates into: You are either with Pres Bush, or with the “terrorists”.
We are waaaay past that talking point by now.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:12 pmWayne A. Schneider,
They’re lying. Islam teaches to conquer and subjigate others.
Comment by Jorge — December 20, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
Are you sure that the general version of Islam practiced by the world’s Muslims says that? Or just the extremist version created by Joseph Wahabbi? (Wahabbi later married into the royal Saudi family, which is why they support terrorism.)
December 20th, 2006 at 5:12 pmWe are NOT liked by every other country, except Mexico.
Comment by DieNowForPeace
What? Sorry, but in Mexico we also do NOT like US. :)
Seriously, DNFP, one thing are governments and another completely, citizens. Of course there are a lot or prejudices, in particular in Mexico regarding US citizens which are seen as being dumb, wealthy and agressive. But all US citizens Ive met were easy-going and nice.
I have one anecdote about prejudices. I was like 12 and we were, my parents and brothers, in Puerto Vallarta, a mexican beach. Then a german couple began talking with my parents about Pablo Neruda, I dont know why. When I found later that the couple were german I asked my father: how do you know if they are not Nazis? And he answered: If they read Neruda, they cant be Nazis.
The only way to know people is by knowing them, talking and passing time with them.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:12 pmZooey,
December 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pmGo swallow some Muslim Cum!
Jorge if you are a Democrat, then we all disown you! Go join the GOP officially, because they love bigoted people like yourself!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pm#122 Jorge
If you knew your history, you wouldn’t be so paranoid about individual Muslims advocating conquest of the entire world. Its normal in every culture, and no society has yet achieved such dominance, and none ever will.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:13 pmWhore-hay,
Seriously “dude”, lay of the mid-western meth.
Your typos are getting out of hand:
Propbably
That’s a goos thing
subjigate
Hizballah
Wait, those last two were your dumbass inability to spell!!! ROFL!!!!
Damn, could we start a “troll” school and make them pass a test before posting?
December 20th, 2006 at 5:14 pmWhere the hell are all these trolls coming from? And they are on the board IMMEDIATELY? Seems wierd to me. Also, if you don’t want trolls, don’t bother responding to them. It’s what they want.
Oh yeah, and religious extremism of any stripe is dangerous to us all.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:15 pmMuslims are not molesting children in the US.
No but they are beheading infidels everywhere else.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:15 pmHEY..WHADDYA KNOW?
December 20th, 2006 at 5:16 pmAnother fact Filled rebuttal from “jorge” we must be striking a nerve…the attacks just keep coming..example: he obviously see’s anyone who he can’t bully to his way of “thinking” (Stubborn Stupid)..he see’s them/us…ohhh so clearly…in his….chrystal ball? how exactly does he know who or what we are…financially..culturally..how does that work again…
OHHHHHH! right now I recall..we…disagree with him…the poor little stubborn stupid…he just can’t accept ANY other point of view…poor li’l guy…poor li’l beastie..or Petit’ bet…(little beast)
Yes…yes…it’s a cryin shame these little beasts are so abundant…perhaps a …”Breeding program” is in order…perhaps Mr. Goode might oversee such a program..or some oterh intolerant.
Which brings me to my final point…there is a subtle but very important difference between “Progressives” and “NeoCons” (as specific from traditional Conservatives..what would Barry Goldwater have thought of Der Jorge Beast?)
The difference is this..I/WE “progressives” must by definition “Tolerate” the Jorge’s of the world…but there is a conflict there: While we Tolerate them..we refuse to Tolerate the one aspect…of NeoCon “BASE” which is….”Intolerance” this is a quandry..
The “solution” is complicated…but basically..while they have no mandate to Tolerance..and we do..but we draw the line at being “overtaken” as a result of the NeoCon Powerful Political Intolerance…in other words if they could, they would stamp out ALL disagreement..and that..unfortunately…cannot be tolerated..and yet..we must allow their views to be given equal time…again..a quandry..and again the difference is that we would never go to the extreme of TERMINATING dissent…while daily..the evidence mounts..that “They” would do so…in a heart beat….what to do?…what to do?
Admittedly a little confusing..and I apologize for that…but hopefully you get the idea…
And jorge? you are seriously flawed…you simply cannot allow any one to “win” once you have made up your tiny, intolerant mind…and that is rediculous..if you were rational..you would not incur the wrath..but rational debate is not a SMALL CONFLICT OF WILL..which you need..otehrwise you might need some FACTS..and ………….then what?
Jorge
you aren’t a moderate, you are a conservative … everything you say is a neocon talking point in one form or another.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:17 pmJay Randal,
I’m a real Democrat, not an Ilsmaic loving phoney like you!
Juan C,
December 20th, 2006 at 5:17 pmIf Mexicans hete the US so much why do they come here? You’re full of it. Mexicans come here and integrate well in American society. You dont live here so shut up. You’re opinion doesn’t mean crap you foreigner!
You’ll take Bush over Mahmoud?
December 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pmIn a fair fight?
I’ll see you and raise you, double or nothing…
Comment by Raven
LMAO!!
ol’Whore-Hay must be all juiced on the mess-cal or sumthin’ – he’s about two more posts from doing something that’ll have his sorry ass thrown in jail, whereupon there will be a great rejoicing.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:18 pmDieNowForPeace,
December 20th, 2006 at 5:19 pmYou stupid jerk.
The realk spelling Hizballah or Hizb’Allah.
You’re a nobody anyway. You’re just a loon who’s angry at life and you can’t do anything about it!
#130
IF THAT’S REALLY YOU, and we can check, YOU’RE A GONER ass-munch.
You’ve been reported and will be banned by tomorrow and all previous posts deleted.
Have a shitty day, asshole!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#138 – Hahahahahahahaha, even spelled your own name wrong that time bozo!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:20 pmHey!! Look at what I found.Anyone seen unvelievable?..looks under podium like george Bush…
Hhahahaahaaaaaa
This is off of this thread – House Armed Services Chairman ‘Extremely Concerned’ With Iraq Escalation Plans -Dec. 18 ,2006
Available in older posts section for free and at absolutely no charge. You have to read the whole thread to appreciate it.It`s a real gem.
Not so fast;I have one thing I’d like to add to this discussion.
Atleast twice in the last 50 posts,unbelievable said that she ‘doesn’t lie’.
Yet she told me,thus everyone else on this blog,last spring,that her Mother was dead.This turned out NOT to be TRUE.
Now answer your own question: What kind of person would say that about their own Mother just for the sake of winning an argument?
Now you all are beginning to see why I’ve had such acrimony with her in the past.
Just for the record,BnF, I never,ever,insulted her Mother,that’s if you were referring to something I might have said.
She told me her Mom was dead after I said she probably lives at home with her Mom.
All this can be found in the archives.
This is who you are dealing with,and she has no respect.
Comment by Si Byl — December 20, 2006 @ 2:22 am
Trueblue,
Of course, Unbelievable is offended by any remark about sexuality:
Men’s peak is 17, and women’s is 40. I’m guessing I’m closer to 40 than you are to 17? :)
Comment by unbelievable — April 17, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
and:
I think it’s a plot by women in their 40’s so they can get 17 year old men :)
Comment by Tundra — April 17, 2006 @ 4:19 pm
I assure you, that’s mostly a guy fanatasy. As men age they get better in other ways. :)
Comment by unbelievable — April 17, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
and this:
If a course is called “Shaving your legs†there is no reason to discuss how to braid leghair (That’s for unbelievable)
Comment by Tundra — April 17, 2006 @ 8:34 pm
Flirting with me again, I see ; )
Comment by unbelievable — April 17, 2006 @ 8:49 pm
finally capped of by this:
If I were asked for a one line answer to the question “What makes a woman good in bed?†I would say, “A man who is good in bed.â€
- – Bob Guccione (1978)
Comment by unbelievable — April 18, 2006 @ 4:51 pm
and the email Unbelievable misquotes?
“If I were asked for a one line answer to the question “What makes a woman good in bed?†I would say, “A man who is good in bed.â€
- – Bob Guccione (1978)
Comment by unbelievable â€
amen to that!!! (care to put the hypothesis to a test? —just kidding…)
Perhaps it is Unbelievable who is envious of my spirituality. She has derided the thought of breathing a cloud away, yet I’ve taught others to do so as well.
Perhaps she was offended because I was just kidding. After all, I have mentioned on these boards that I wear a kilt. And you know what they say about a woman scorned. I mean, to take what I wrote and somehow twist that into insinuating that I, a married man, was interested in having an adulterous affair with someone who lives a couple of thousand miles away takes either dimentia, a great imagination, or wishful thinking.
And Trueblue, as you can see, a shaman would say “Amen.â€
There’s another word, a greeting, I say to you:
Namaste.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — December 19, 2006 @ 7:53 pm
December 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmThinkProgress,
I remember a little while back you asked us all to be more polite and respectful in our comments toward others. And as much as I think some of these conservative-minded visitors are delusional nutjobs, I have done my best to refrain from directly attacking them, or suggesting that they ingest certain bodily fluids.
I have to ask: Is this new policy still in effect? Or are we now allowed to say ignorant, ridiculous things like:
Go swallow some Muslim Cum!
Comment by Jorge ?
Because if that’s the level of “debate” you were trying to foster here, then I guess it’s time to say goodbye and move elsewhere. (Not that every one our liberal friends has behaved, but isn’t this particular comment even a tad bit over the line?)
December 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmJorge a real Democrat? LOL what a sick joke! You are a GOP whore Jorge!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:21 pmNo but they are beheading infidels everywhere else.
Comment by simple simon
I just got out this morning to take out the thrash and the most amazing thing happened…there wasnt anyone being beheaded in the streets.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:22 pmNo but they are beheading infidels everywhere else.
Comment by simple simon
Beheading = evil
December 20th, 2006 at 5:24 pmbombing civilians = cool
Whore-hay,
S-l-o-w d-o-w-n there little feller, yer typing just plain SUX.
Seeing how this is a TEXT based forum for public discourse, you’re at quite a loss, ain’t ya?
So please, resort to childish name calling.
It suits you well, little man.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:25 pmZooey – What do you do to attract such virile and desirable male admirers?
December 20th, 2006 at 5:26 pmIgnore Jorge. After #130 he should be banned and completely ignored.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:27 pm#151 – he WILL BE.
So far, everyone I’ve (we’ve) complained about has be exiled.
Check back tomorrow…
December 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmZooey,
Go swallow some Muslim Cum!
Comment by Jorge
I only keep kosher…
December 20th, 2006 at 5:29 pmYou’re opinion doesn’t mean crap you foreigner!
Comment by Jporge — December 20, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
This is how you know someone is using sockpuppets.
Obviously Jorge re-entered his name and made a typo.
Look for other comments agreeing with him -they are very likely made by him too. my money is Simple Simon.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmWhat’s with this obsession with having people apologize? Who cares? It means nothing. Apologies are worthless. If you want to make the guy pay the vote his bigoted ass out of office or storm his house. But some wimpy apology from a coward, who cares?
December 20th, 2006 at 5:30 pmWhat do you do to attract such virile and desirable male admirers?
Comment by upside00
Dude, that’s on them, not me. :)
December 20th, 2006 at 5:31 pmI just have the nerve to be an uppity woman.
Thanks you guys, it’s nice to have so many knights in shining armor. :)
December 20th, 2006 at 5:33 pmJorge you seem to have forgotten your past and how you came to the US.Your parents and the parents of your parents were inmigrants and your country received them joyously.
Now your country has created a humanitarian disaster in the Middle East, homeless people, refugees hunger, poverty.
The US, on the other side, does not concede these people ,victims as they are, the status of political asylants or refugees, not allowing them to be safe in the US. What a damn hypocrisy.
Your own hypocrisy.You stink, sulphur impregnated moron.Regards from Venezuela.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:36 pmJorge – you know nothing about Islam or Sharia Law.
Every argument you’ve made has been based on complete lies. Your ignorance disgusts me!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:37 pm“if you’re going to post, please make some sense.”
He made PERFECT sense! You liberals are just too dumb to see the freight train heading our way!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:38 pm[...] Updated 12/20/06, 2:38pm: In a related story, Rep. Virgil Goode (R-Virginia) recently stated after the election of the first Muslim to Congress, Keith Ellison (D-Minnesota), that he "feared" more Muslims would be elected to office. Through his press secretary, Rep. Goode has "no intention of apologizing " for his statements. [...]
December 20th, 2006 at 5:41 pmYou liberals are just too dumb to see the freight train heading our way!
Comment by michael
Remind me again exactly what that “freight train” is? Remember, I’m a liberal, so I must be “dumb”.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:41 pmIgnore Jorge.
Comment by Juan C — December 20, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
I agree with Juan. Let’s ignore this person and their sockpuppets already.
This vile, ignorant troll has been given a whole lot more attention than they deserve.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:44 pm#151..yes! thank you..this is the plan..but the Li’l beast may cry and mewel…we shall see..he should be..5150′d..or the cyber equivelant…
December 20th, 2006 at 5:44 pmWhich brings to mind a concept…maybe this is why….psychelogically speaking…that NeoCons and pretenders..and double agents..etc…maybe this is why they cause SO MUCH TROUBLE ..in the World..in the nations they inhabit (Furry little Blitzkrieg that it be)..they simply cannot stomach being…ignored..and being the CLASSIC example of the traditional…….”Boor” it is entirley possible..in fact quite certain..that Such Beastly approach to Discussion..would in fact be ignored in “polite society” and so…and SO…they have committed to destroy “Polite Society” and thrive on being stupid for it’s own sake..just to feel like they are …”Important” and “Winning” and a whole slew of other “Needs”..
Maybe Mommy didn’t breast feed em enough..maybe Daddy didn’t validate em enough…maybe they are just………..mean!
Okay..I am being the Hypocrite now..I apologize..truely…
Obviously this topic..has really cut to the bone of the debate in AMerica..allot of passion..this story embodies the Intolerance that many of us…I would say at this time..the Majority…have come to be…………tired of..fatigued to our very limit…so tired of bearing the hatred and anger of the World on our shoulders due to the politics of the Minority…well..I should speak for myself..I HAVE HAD IT!..that much is certain..
And yet…again..this question of the innate hypocrasy inherant in NOT TOLERATING INTOLERANCE….I still can’t wrap my mond around this…at least not to my satisfaction..I dunno…maybe I need an expert…sure..why not…
Okay…bye folks..that was stimulating…now to go wander around in the woods…ahhhh rural life…nothing like shooting sticks floating down the swollen Eel River…with the ol .22…just destructive enough to be fun…..but no bad Karma…that’s a rare thing..
Enjoy the rest of the day fellow Cellies..
Okeedoke…see you on the flip side
Give me secular America or give me death!!Bring them damn camel jockeys on.We`ll fight them over HERE and OVER THERE too.Too many of them.We is about to be overrun.Jump on board now.Get a second juob so you`ll pay more taxes that will buy more bombs that will kill more Islamic infidels.Or make a donation to any forming organization out there….and there are many….to keep this scourge out of America.God Bless you.And MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:45 pmPlease do not let the muslims gain a foothold in America. bla bla bla….. catholic church….. bla bla bla. bullsh*t… bla bla bla…
Comment by Answeil Vacharette (R) Va. — December 20, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
Hey, oh great informed one. Have you ever heard of a town called Dearborn Michigan? (sp). It has a very large Musslim population that has been growing for decades. So, what are you gonna do now? Put a wall up around it?
How do you feel about Mormons? How ’bout Jews? Is it only Christians that deserve to live in the US? I’m not sure that there are enough resources left in our till to build large enough concentration camps to satisfy you.
LEAVE THIS COUNTRY. Take as many like-minded idiots with you as you can. Go find some land to call your own. Be sure to take plenty of cool-aid, and drink your fill.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:50 pmHe could at least apologize for having blue hair, or is it just my monitor?
December 20th, 2006 at 5:51 pm#156 – Zooey
Uppity (and intelligent) women are SOOOO sexy! Good to have you aboard the TP Express!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:51 pmGive me secular America or give me death!!Bring them damn camel jockeys on.We`ll fight them over HERE and OVER THERE too.Too many of them.We is about to be overrun.Jump on board now.Get a second juob so you`ll pay more taxes that will buy more bombs that will kill more Islamic infidels.Or make a donation to any forming organization out there….and there are many….to keep this scourge out of America.God Bless you.And MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
December 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pmI wonder if Congressman Goode and Congressman Ellison will end up on any committees together? That should be fun to watch.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:57 pmComment by upside00
I second that emotion. And some call them a bitch like its a bad thing.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:59 pmLEAVE THIS COUNTRY. Take as many like-minded idiots with you as you can. Go find some land to call your own. Be sure to take plenty of cool-aid, and drink your fill.
Comment by MoreGooderNation — December 20, 2006 @ 5:50
Wellllllll…………………..?
Make me leave.You can`t.It is the land of the free emember?
Too bad so sad.No muslims in America! I have started a drive and you would be surprised how many organizations are forming and how many are established in the focus of staving off the Muslim hordes and scourge.You should give Bush a medal for not allowing thme to take us over.You are ungrateful.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:00 pmAnti-Muslim Congressman Has ‘No Intention Of Apologizing’
Why should he apologize?He never said he was anti muslim……YOU did.More spin.More lies.Get another line of work.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:02 pmGoode wrote: “I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way. The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don’t wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran.”
This pinhead Goode doesn’t seem to know that Representative-elect Ellison is not an immigrant from the Middle East. Ellison’s ancestors were probably brought to this continent against their will on a slave ship. Goode must be from a congressional district that went big for “Senator Macaca” in the election.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:02 pmUppity (and intelligent) women are SOOOO sexy! Good to have you aboard the TP Express!
Comment by upside00
I will only allow you to say that to me 6 times a day — no more! Ok? :)
Thanks.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:05 pm“Remind me again exactly what that “freight train†is?”
1 muslim here another muslim there. They have been planning this for 100’s of years. They are in no hurry until the last 30 years. Take a look around the world. Are you too blind to see what’s happening? Europe is over run with them and it may be too late for them. Look at France? Look at Iran? If Iran unites with the rest of the muslim world against Israel then the flow of oil to the world, not just the U.S., will be in jeapordy! Wake up!
“Remember, I’m a liberal, so I must be “dumbâ€
If you can’t understand what is going on in the world then I couldn’t agree with you more!
December 20th, 2006 at 6:06 pmWhy am I not surprised or even outraged at this Congressman? Have I become immune to outrage? Have I been overwhelmed with so much of this kind of thing I’m just numb now, like a deer staring into the headlights?
December 20th, 2006 at 6:08 pmOk heres a thought. Muslims are not going to blanket over the US like an infection and take over. Folks who believe this are being scared little cry-babies, cowards, wussies.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:10 pm“Folks who believe this are being scared little cry-babies, cowards, wussies”
And folks like you are too dumb to step back and look at the big picture. God help us if liberals gain control of all levels of our government. God help us!
December 20th, 2006 at 6:14 pmThis guy will be out at the next election cycle. The American people have spoken clearly on what they think of reps like this peice of toast.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:15 pmUppity (and intelligent) women are SOOOO sexy! Good to have you aboard the TP Express!
Zooey, here are the last 5, use them as you see fit.
Uppity (and intelligent) women are SOOOO sexy! Good to have you aboard the TP Express!
Uppity (and intelligent) women are SOOOO sexy! Good to have you aboard the TP Express!
Uppity (and intelligent) women are SOOOO sexy! Good to have you aboard the TP Express!
Uppity (and intelligent) women are SOOOO sexy! Good to have you aboard the TP Express!
December 20th, 2006 at 6:15 pm1 muslim here another muslim there. They have been planning this for 100’s of years.
Comment by michael
The same conspiracy theory about Mexican’s re-taking Texas is old folklore for drunk hillbillies who complain about their influx.
Grow up, read the f*cking Declaration of Independence and Constitution for once in you life, or better yet, move to a country which restricts immigration.
Then you’ll feel “safe”.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:16 pmHere is a pretty wild thought, why don’t we switch to energy sources besides oil? That way we wouldn’t be funding the extremists.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:17 pm1 muslim here another muslim there. They have been planning this for 100’s of years. They are in no hurry until the last 30 years. Take a look around the world. Are you too blind to see what’s happening? Europe is over run with them and it may be too late for them. Look at France? Look at Iran? If Iran unites with the rest of the muslim world against Israel then the flow of oil to the world, not just the U.S., will be in jeapordy! Wake up!
Wow. Such hatred. Such bigotry. Such ignorance. All displayed in this one set of comments. I do not fear these things like you obviously do for two reasons: 1) Unlike you, I choose not to live in fear of terrorists (because that’s what they want and that’s how they win.) And 2) The United States is not like those other countries. To assume that what happens there will happen here is to assume that there’s no difference between this country and those countries. And that’s a HUGE mistake.
Thank you for explaining what your problem is. I will keep that in mind as I go about my happy, constitutionally-protected atheistic lifestyle.
Peace to you, and may the holidays bring joy to you and to everyone.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:20 pmKraz,
December 20th, 2006 at 6:24 pmYou’d think.
And trolls here like to defend Big Oil, who are basically complicit in the build up of the Middle East Oil Empire?
I don’t get it, but I’m looking into converting my home to 100% solar electricity production. It’s still costly, although usually pays for itself in 5-10 years, then, NO MORE electricity bills! No more burning of fossil fuels for electricity (how neanderthal).
Also, Texas is leading the nation in wind generated investing, which is weird for the “Dry” oil state.
1 muslim here another muslim there. They have been planning this for 100’s of years.
Comment by michael — December 20, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
This paranoid post reads like the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, in its Muslim version.
Is anybody keeping track of the people the wingnuts do not want living in the US? Muslims/Arabs, Iranians, Hispanics, atheists… the list is getting long.
There is no shortage of hatred on that side of the political spectrum.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:29 pmMichael if you and the likes replace reason and logic by religion, that is not our problem.
As you might know, one of the pillars of your constitution is secularism.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:29 pmMicheal stop acting like a wussie and grow a pair.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:32 pm“The United States is not like those other countries. To assume that what happens there will happen here is to assume that there’s no difference between this country and those countries.”
I didn’t say we were What I said is that if a nation like Iran controls the middle east it controls most of the worlds oil supply. Iran has been aligning with Russia by buying their weapons and missles. If you think that these ragtag terrorists can’t inflict harm of massive proportions on the west then you need to get your head out of the sand. I’m not saying it’s going to happen but if we continue to take a passive approach to what’s happening there, as you liberals have, then we deserve what we get!
December 20th, 2006 at 6:33 pmThe Intolerance of Tolerance
December 20th, 2006 at 6:34 pmBy Greg Koukl
Thursday, December 14, 2006
Probably no concept has more currency in our politically-correct culture than the notion of tolerance. Unfortunately, one of America’s noblest virtues has been so distorted it’s become a vice.
There’s one word that can stop you in your tracks. That word is “intolerant.”
This idea is very popular with post-modernists, that breed of radical skeptics whose ideas command unwarranted respect in the university today. Their rallying cry, “There is no truth,” is often followed by an appeal for tolerance.
The tolerant person allegedly occupies neutral ground, a place of complete impartiality where each person is permitted to decide for himself. No judgments allowed. No “forcing” personal views. That all views are equally valid is one of the most entrenched assumptions of a society committed to relativism. And it’s a myth.
For all their confident bluster, the relativists’ appeal actually asserts two truths, one rational and one moral. The first is the rational “truth” that there is no truth, a clear conflict. The second is the moral truth that one ought to tolerate other’s viewpoints. Their stand, contradictory on at least two counts, serves as a warning that the modern notion of tolerance is seriously misguided.
The Tolerance Trick
As it turns out, by the modern definition of tolerance no one is tolerant, or ever can be. It’s what my friend Francis Beckwith calls the “passive-aggressive tolerance trick.” Returning to the classic understanding of tolerance is the only way to restore any useful meaning to the word. Let me give you a real life example.
Earlier this year I spoke to a class of seniors at a Christian high school in Des Moines, Iowa. I wanted to alert them to this “tolerance trick,” but I also wanted to learn how much they had already been taken in by it. I began by writing two sentences on the board. The first expressed the current understanding of tolerance:
“All views have equal merit and none should be considered better than another.”
All heads nodded in agreement. Nothing controversial here. Then I wrote the second sentence:
“Jesus is the Messiah and Judaism is wrong for rejecting Him.”
Immediately hands flew up. “You can’t say that,” a coed challenged, clearly annoyed. “That’s disrespectful. How would you like it if someone said you were wrong?”
“In fact, that happens to me all the time,” I pointed out, “including right now with you. But why should it bother me that someone thinks I’m wrong?”
“It’s intolerant,” she said, noting that the second statement violated the first statement. What she didn’t see was that the first statement also violated itself.
I pointed to the first statement and asked, “Is this a view, the idea that all views have equal merit and none should be considered better than another?” They all agreed.
Then I pointed to the second statement—the “intolerant” one—and asked the same question: “Is this a view?” They studied the sentence for a moment. Slowly my point began to dawn on them. They’d been taken in by the tolerance trick.
If all views have equal merit, then the view that Christians have a better view on Jesus than the Jews have is just as true as the idea that Jews have a better view on Jesus than the Christians do. But this is hopelessly contradictory. If the first statement is what tolerance amounts to, then no one can be tolerant because “tolerance” turns out to be gibberish.
Escaping the Trap “Would you like to know how to get out of this dilemma?” I asked. They nodded. “You must reject this modern distortion of tolerance and return to the classic view.” Then I wrote these two principles on the board:
Be egalitarian regarding persons.
Be elitist regarding ideas.[i]
“Egalitarian” was a new word for them. Think “equal,” I said. Treat others as having equal standing in value or worth. They knew what an elitist was, though, someone who thought he was better than others. “Right,” I said. “When you are elitist regarding ideas, you are acknowledging that some ideas are better than others. And they are. We don’t treat all ideas as if they have the same merit, lest we run into contradiction. Some ideas are good, some are bad. Some are true, some are false. Some are brilliant, others are just plain foolish.”
The first principle, what might be called “civility,” is at the heart of the classical view of tolerance. It can be loosely equated with the word “respect.” Tolerance applies to how we treat people we disagree with, not how we treat ideas we think false.
We respect those who hold different beliefs than our own by treating them courteously and allowing their views a place in the public discourse. We may strongly disagree with their ideas and vigorously contend against them in the public square, but we still show respect for the persons in spite of our differences.
Classic tolerance requires that every person be treated courteously with the freedom to express his ideas without fear of reprisal no matter what the view, not that all views have equal worth, merit, or truth.
These two categories are frequently conflated in the muddled thinking created by the myth of tolerance. The view that one person’s ideas are no better or truer than another’s is simply absurd and contradictory. To argue that some views are false, immoral, or just plain silly does not violate any meaningful definition or standard of tolerance.
Note that respect is accorded to the person, here. Whether his behavior should be tolerated is an entirely different issue. Our laws demonstrate that a man may believe what he likes—and he usually has the liberty to express those beliefs—but he may not behave as he likes. Some behavior is a threat to the common good. Rather than being tolerated (allowed), it is restricted by law. Historically, our culture has emphasized tolerance (respect) of all persons, but never tolerance of all behavior. In Lincoln’s words: There is no right to do wrong.
Topsy-Turvy
The modern definition of tolerance turns the classical formula for tolerance on its head:
Be egalitarian regarding ideas.
Be elitist regarding persons.
If you reject another’s ideas, you’re automatically accused of disrespecting the person (as the coed did with me). On this new view of tolerance no idea or behavior can be opposed—even if done graciously—without inviting the charge of incivility.
To say I’m intolerant of the person because I disagree with his ideas is confused. Ironically, it results in elitism regarding persons. If I think my ideas are better than another’s, I can be ill-treated as a person, publicly marginalized and verbally abused as bigoted, disrespectful, ignorant, indecent and—can you believe it—intolerant. Sometimes I can even be sued, punished by law, or forced to attend re-education programs.
Tolerance has thus gone topsy-turvy: Tolerate most beliefs, but don’t tolerate (show respect for) those who take exception with those beliefs. Contrary opinions are labeled as “imposing your view on others” and quickly silenced.
This is nonsense and should be abandoned. The myth of tolerance forces everyone into an inevitable “Catch-22,” because each person in any debate has a point of view he thinks is correct.
Catch-22
Classical tolerance involves three elements: (1) permitting or allowing (2) a conduct or point of view one disagrees with (3) while respecting the person in the process.
Notice that we can’t truly tolerate someone unless we disagree with him. This is critical. We don’t “tolerate” people who share our views. They’re on our side. There’s nothing to put up with. Tolerance is reserved for those we think are wrong, yet we still choose to treat decently and with respect.
This essential element of classical tolerance—disagreement (elitism regarding ideas)—has been completely lost in the modern distortion of the concept. Nowadays if you think someone is wrong, you’re called intolerant no matter how you treat him.
This presents a curious problem. One must first think another is wrong in order to exercise true tolerance, yet saying so brings the accusation of intolerance. It’s a “Catch-22.” According to this approach, true tolerance becomes impossible.
Intellectual Cowardice
Most of what passes for tolerance today is nothing more than intellectual cowardice, a fear of intelligent engagement. Those who brandish the word “intolerant” are unwilling to be challenged by other views or grapple with contrary opinions, or even to consider them. It’s easier to hurl an insult—”you intolerant bigot”—than to confront an idea and either refute it or be changed by it. In the modern era, “tolerance” has become intolerance.
Whenever you’re charged with intolerance, always ask for a definition. When tolerance means neutrality, that all views are equally valid and true, then no one is ever tolerant because no one is ever neutral about his own views. Point out the contradiction built into the new definition. Point out that this kind tolerance is a myth.
Mikey, how’s your Maypo?
December 20th, 2006 at 6:35 pmAntarctica is a great place this time of year. And Hardly any Muslims!
Wow, opportunity knocks!!
Thanks Jimmie, for the double-insight genre.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:38 pm“There is no shortage of hatred on that side of the political spectrum.”
And there is no shortage of stupidity on the left!
December 20th, 2006 at 6:40 pmWhere would you move to Micheal, if you think America is too liberal? Really think about it. What developed nation is as conservative as you think it should be for your own liking?
Seriously come up with one. I bet you can’t. All the developed countries are more liberal than us. You would have to move to a dictatorship to get the level of conservatism you desire.
The one possible exception would be Australia. Micheal maybe you would like Australia, so go there.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:41 pmMicheal might like Iran, they don’t allow dissent, are ruled by a hard line religion, and are very quick to lock up any troublemakers.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:46 pmMicheal,
And Australia is hard to swim to. You should be safe from Muslims there.
Come to think of it we are all screwed, since the US is the only developed country thats gonna address this problem. Heck Europe might as well just surrendered to the dirt headed brown people, right Mike?
December 20th, 2006 at 6:49 pmMichal how is one nation gonna control the tide of Muslims that are gong to try to take over? Cuz we all know Europe aint gonna help, whos gonna help us?
December 20th, 2006 at 6:50 pmIf having more Muslims agitates Christers, then please, let’s have more Muslims. I’m an atheist and I love watching a good brawl about superstition.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:53 pmThis Congressman wants the Moslem communities to pay taxes only,but no representaion…that was the spark of the American revolution when people were taxed but not represented. Some suggested that this country is a Judea Christian…I challenge anyone here with such assertion to produce any law Federal or local to back up such claim. US is a country of laws..if someone broke the law…then he should be treated based on the law,regardless of his religious affiliation. Sadly, this congressman is using the election of another fellow congressman,who happened to be the first elected Moslem congressman, for political rhetoric and divisiveness while he should be looking for subjects like health, balancing the budget,and peace & harmony in the US and abroad among all nations.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:53 pmMickey – Here’s the ticket! Move to Antarctica and issue the following challenge to all Muslims in the world.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:55 pmBring it ON!
Then you can single handedly save the world by annhilating them.
Be sure to wear your armor, and the white alb with the big cross on it.
“there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office.â€
This message probably hits home out there in Bigotland. It probably elicits all kinds of conclusions, fears I can only imagine.
After reading it, I was left wondering “…and this is bad because…?”
December 20th, 2006 at 7:00 pmhttp://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=TERRORSTORM
December 20th, 2006 at 7:01 pmThe muslims, I have met and worked with in the past, all seem not only to be happy to be in American, but often share our customs, respect our beliefs, and work hard to be part of America.
December 20th, 2006 at 7:03 pmI’m hoping my questions for Micheal drove him off. If not, then answer the questions Micheal. RU clueless?
December 20th, 2006 at 7:08 pmI don’t tolerate people I disagree with. I argue with them. I don’t think Goode should be more tolerant. I think he should be put in his place and shown what an idiot he is.
December 20th, 2006 at 7:10 pmI see a muslim.I am gonna shake em down.If they refuse,I will mug them to make sure they are on the up and up.If they pan out.They go free.If they don`t they go to the county jail.My uncle is the county sherrif and we are all on the lookout for them.They better not be coming around my county.We got locals patrolling and drinking beer looking for them in their pickups.My uncle is the county sherrif so no one can stop us.It is like open season on muslims in my county here in Va.There isn`t going to be any muslim papers on no walls around here as long as my uncle is sherrif,I got my pickup truck,and I have plenty of beer.They say you can`t shoot straight 3 sheets into the wind.Aint true.We had us a muslim family from the city checking out houses the other day around here.One of my buddies got on the radio and told me they was over there at that house trying to buy it of all things.Well,that was the old Chester place for God sakes!We aint going to have no muslims defiling the old chester house bed and breakfast.They was standing there waiting on the realtor from the city i guess.My buddy and I Dwayne met up on opposite ends of the block so they couldn`t get away.We both roll our windows down and take a couple of shots over their heads of course.Told them to get the hell out,they wasn`t wanted.Course no one reports me and dwayne around here for nothing that we do.They know better.Besides,my uncle is the county sherrif and he thinks the same way that we do.I am proud to and will do it again running them damn muslims out of our berg of the woods.You people like the damn muslims so much?Let them move to your state.We`ll come and find them there.Wherever they live.We are called the Lookouts for Freedom group and the locals are more than happy to have us.
December 20th, 2006 at 7:17 pmNo muslims in office if I can help it.At least they won`t finish their term anyhows. hah Crack me open another beer Dwayne!We is going muslim huntin tonight.
December 20th, 2006 at 7:20 pmAwww, poor Michael and Jorge, must be sad to go through life laughed at on a constant basis, and in this case, those insults and laughter are definitely most deserved
You clowns are no Cassandra-figure in Greek Mythology, look her up yourselves-you don’t have her ability to correctly forecast future events, like she did, but like her, everyone else thinks you’re nuts
The only proper response for these trolls and their completely irrational, illogical hatred & fear is laughter, ridicule and mockery, the more personal and embarrassing, the better
Oh, and if the trolls really feel so threatened by Islam, then why not get your asses over to Iraq or Iran to protect the US from this supposed threat of a resurgent Caliphate, or are you all like W, still insisting that others-but NEVER youselves-die for your idiocy?
By their own overwhelming cowardice, by their own blood-soaked lunatic fantasies, the ChickenHawks make themselves known to all
I agree with one poster above, who made the excellent observation about how interesting things will get if Goode has to serve on a committee with Ellison, and I’d further wager that Goode’s far too much of a coward to say those things to Ellison’s face
December 20th, 2006 at 7:27 pmhe should be sued for defamation.
cons only understand one thing and that’s greed.
December 20th, 2006 at 8:07 pmMore on Goode…
Pun intended.
The Virginia Representative who expressed great fear at the impending hordes of Muslims who will be democratically elected to Congress (if we don’t stop Catholic Mexicans from immigrating) has refused to apologize for his faux pas….
December 20th, 2006 at 8:09 pmAthesists? Get off of your lazy democratic asses.
Christians Outwork Atheists
Relative to our good old European counterparts, it appears we Americans are setting a bad example for the world by working so damn hard.
The following is an excerpt from an article in the New York Times titled \”Why America Outpaces Europe (Clue: The God Factor).\” The article gives an overview of the religious basis for America\’s sustained economic productivity, as compared with Europe\’s increasing secularization, and subsequent economic stagnation.
December 20th, 2006 at 8:28 pmWhat clinches the Weber thesis is that Northern Europe\’s declines in working hours coincide almost exactly with steep declines in religious observance. In the Netherlands, Britain, Germany, Sweden and Denmark, less than 10 percent of the population now attend church at least once a month, a dramatic decline since the 1960\’s. (Only in Catholic Italy and Ireland do more than a third of the population go to church on a monthly basis.) In the recent Gallup Millennium Survey of religious attitudes, 49 percent of Danes, 52 percent of Norwegians and 55 percent of Swedes said God did not matter to them. In North America, by comparison, 82 percent of respondents said God was \”very important.\”
“This e-mail system is programmed to pull out only those messages that contain a Fifth District Virginia address. Internet messages from non-Virginians are deleted.” V.Goode
December 20th, 2006 at 8:35 pmhttp://www.house.gov/goode/write.shtml
sense 76.
are you from Va.?If not screw off all other senators and congressmaen are the same way.It cuts down on their workload tremendously from having to deal with out of district and state quacks like you.
December 20th, 2006 at 8:43 pmsense 76,
bitch to your own congressman or senator.
December 20th, 2006 at 8:44 pmWow! In American history we have said the same thing of Irish, Italians and many other groups. Each group has been vital in building up our current country. Perhaps it is time we learn from our own short history.
December 20th, 2006 at 8:49 pmWhy are you liberals so damned obsessed with getting apologies? He is not sorry for writing his letter and I don’t blame him. So to all of you liberals– each of you take your odd obsession with apologies and shove them straight up your liberal asses.
I apologize for writing the above. I hope that makes you feel better.
December 20th, 2006 at 9:07 pmGee whiz, did Micheal just up an change his name?
December 20th, 2006 at 9:10 pmComment by upside00 — December 20, 2006 @ 6:15 pm
Thanks for that upside00, you’re too funny. :)
December 20th, 2006 at 9:18 pmThis man is more dangerous than the terrorists. Our fight against terrorism must also include our fight against biggoted and stupid people like him.
December 20th, 2006 at 9:27 pmHiya Zooey! You go girl!!! Don’t worry, be uppity. :D
December 20th, 2006 at 9:28 pm#206…. When I read that I thought you were serious. I’m glad you were spoofing. Interestingly, if you merely replace the word Muslim with the “N” word you can transport yourself to Birmingham Alabama circa 1962.
Of course, You could replace the word Muslim with the “F” word and you’d have just about every state throught the Bible belt and the heartland, circa TODAY.
So much hate… so much hate…
December 20th, 2006 at 9:38 pm[...] Under freedom of religion, ThinkProgress covers the flap from Virgil Goode (R-VA): Anti-Muslim Congressman Has ‘No Intention Of Apologizing’ [...]
December 20th, 2006 at 9:41 pmDon’t worry, be uppity. :D
Comment by Uncle_Ho
Count on it, Uncle Ho. :)
December 20th, 2006 at 10:05 pmChristians were 85 percent of Bethlehem’s population in 1948 and are 12 percent today.
Christians were over 50 percent of Constantinople’s population in 1914 and are under 2 percent today.
There is persecution of Christians in every majority Muslim country in the world. In some cases it rises to the level of fast genocide, and in other cases its slow genocide.
From January 13, 1915 New York Times:
“Talaat Bey, the Minister of the Interior, has stated to the Councillor of the Greek Patriarchate that in Turkey henceforth there will be room only for Turks. While he was profuse in assurance to the Greek Minister regarding the cessation of anti- Greek persecutions, no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.â€
See here for sources.
December 20th, 2006 at 10:23 pmChristians were 85 percent of Bethlehem’s population in 1948 and are 12 percent today.
Christians were over 50 percent of Constantinople’s population in 1914 and are under 2 percent today.
There is persecution of Christians in every majority Muslim country in the world. In some cases it rises to the level of fast genocide, and in other cases its slow genocide.
From January 13, 1915 New York Times:
“Talaat Bey, the Minister of the Interior, has stated to the Councillor of the Greek Patriarchate that in Turkey henceforth there will be room only for Turks. While he was profuse in assurance to the Greek Minister regarding the cessation of anti- Greek persecutions, no real amelioration of the situation is perceptible.â€
December 20th, 2006 at 10:24 pmFrom Paul J Cella’s The once Merry England. The decline toward dhimmitude.:
In the streets of London the signs read: “we are all Hizballah now.†In the august corridors of the House of Lords, two peers come to blows when one dared to utter a word about Israel’s right to self-defense. In central London a mosque is being built that will be the largest in Europe, auguring what sort of capital that great city will soon be. A local Muslim activist, after disrupting a press conference, is promptly invited on the BBC to give his assessment of things: Home Secretary John Reid is a “murderer,†Blair an “an enemy to Muslims and an enemy to Allah,†and finally, Britain “doesn’t belong to you, or to the Queen, or to the government, but to Allah. He has put us on earth to implement shari’a law.â€
December 20th, 2006 at 10:27 pmOld Atlantic, why do you live in the past? Because you are a failure today?
December 20th, 2006 at 10:28 pmGoode is a xenophobic, -mongering who deserves no sympathy for what he said.
December 20th, 2006 at 10:29 pmDecember 20th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
If I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes I wouldn’t have believed it. I was shopping at the Lund’s grocery in Hopkins, MN (Ellison’s district) and there it was……I saw immigrant food. Right there in front if me was immigrant food in Ellsion’s district I am telling ya….. We are being overun by immigrants. It has already started.
The food was Norwegian Lutefisk and Swedish potato sausage!!!!! Can you friggin’ believe it???? IMMIGRANT FOOD IN MY GROCERY!!!! Oh the humanity!! There goes the neighborhood…..blonde men and women are moving in.
((I did buy the Swedish sausage for Christmas, but Lutefisk tastes like sh#t.))
December 20th, 2006 at 10:33 pm”
Old Atlantic, why do you live in the past? Because you are a failure today?
Comment by JPark — December 20, 2006 @ 10:28 pm
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Islam from 622 AD has used fear, war, genocide, democide, etc. on non-Muslims. There is no break point at which Islam stopped using such methods. Every majority Muslim land today is engaged in persecution of Christians, regardless of race or national origin.
Its intended by Islam that non-Muslims fear Islam and Muslims. Thus Islam intends Islamophobia in non-Muslims. Islam says to invite people to Islam before attacking them. So Islam intends Islamophobia for non-Muslims including Dhimmis living under Islam.
December 20th, 2006 at 10:44 pmOld Atlantic…how has Christianity expanded? Would you like me to count the ways? (which are very similar).
December 20th, 2006 at 10:46 pm[...] Follow-up to the above: Congressman Has “No Intention Of Apologizing†[...]
December 20th, 2006 at 10:57 pm#
Old Atlantic…how has Christianity expanded? Would you like me to count the ways? (which are very similar).
Comment by JPark — December 20, 2006 @ 10:46 pm
The Koran was written in 656 AD. Islam attacked the West in 633 AD as Islam according to itself. The Koran was written during occupation of parts of the Eastern Roman Empire. The Koran commands what was done from 633 AD onwards, was being done in 656 AD and what they might want to do. The Caliphate controlled the final version. They put into it what they were doing in the war.
Thus the Koran freezes wartime propaganda as Islam in the Koran. This is unlike Christianity. Christianity lacks the commands in Islam to kill non-believers, etc. See Jihadwatch.org or bin Laden’s Fatwas.
December 20th, 2006 at 11:08 pmGoode shows how unbelievably stupid he is with these comments. He isn’t even smart enough to get his bigotry correct, since he complains about Ellison as a Muslim and links him with illegal immigrants in the same breath. Ellison is an American, born and raised in Detroit as a Catholic, who converted to Islam. They’re so full of hate, they can’t even direct it to the right peoplem
December 20th, 2006 at 11:25 pmI see the Aryan Brotherhood meeting is in full force today.
According to Jorge he is a moderate Democrat who is a Clintonista. — According to him.
I mean, I could say that I am 6′5″, 175 lbs, 6% body fat, former Heismann candidate, but that wouldn’t make me one.
Jorge, we only have your word for that. And based on your hate spewing, modern day nazi rhetoric, I seriously doubt you’re a Clintonista. And I’m sure if you were talking to Bill, he’d tell you he doesn’t want you.
December 20th, 2006 at 11:26 pm#234 Old Atlantic
The old testament of the bible was written after the Jews established their nation in the land of Canaan. They came as a nomadic tribe, and it clearly advocated genocide, specifically of the people of Canaan. Religion tends to have violence and the right to conquest written into it, therefore Islam is no different from many others.
Stop being paranoid about the west being conquered by the east, since christianity comes from the east also and conquered the west by book and sword.
Please take your hate and ignorance somewhere else. Hate is not welcome here.
December 20th, 2006 at 11:27 pm“They came as a nomadic tribe, and it clearly advocated genocide, specifically of the people of Canaan.”
Islam specifies all non-Muslims.
” Religion tends to have violence and the right to conquest written into it, therefore Islam is no different from many others.”
This concedes the point that Islam is violent. Since you admit Islam is violent, the conclusion is not to want Muslim immigration. That is what Goode said.
“Please take your hate and ignorance somewhere else. Hate is not welcome here.” You are shown to contradict your side of the argument by your statements. Isn’t that a form of intolerance? When you make logical errors and then call your forum colleague a hater, are you not engaged in poor reasoning?
December 20th, 2006 at 11:42 pm#176 michael
1 muslim here another muslim there. They have been planning this for 100’s of years. They are in no hurry until the last 30 years. Take a look around the world. Are you too blind to see what’s happening? Europe is over run with them and it may be too late for them. Look at France? Look at Iran? If Iran unites with the rest of the muslim world against Israel then the flow of oil to the world, not just the U.S., will be in jeapordy! Wake up!
Now that you mention it, isn’t that what happened in Africa? Except, instead of 1 Muslim here another Muslim there, it started out with 1 Christian missionary here another Christian missionary there. Now, look at what a freakin’ mess that’s been turned into. They never should have let the Christians in there.
Michael, you’re just a desperate little Nazi. You see your fantasy of a permanent right-wing regime in the U.S. fading away and this is your very last hope–to try to stir up some paranoia and get all the average Joes out there to turn against your Muslim scapegoats. It’s not going to happen. The tide’s turned, little fella. Watch out for the undertow. It’ll eat you up.
December 20th, 2006 at 11:47 pm#238
reasoning to hate someone because their religion is historically violent is illogical. if you hate muslims, you should hate christians. then we can get down to ethnicity, you should hate germanic peoples because they were warlike. how about the mongols?
if you just want to base blocking people from immigration on violence, then no one should be immigrating here … in fact we should all be kicked out because we are all violent.
and the fact that the bible specifies it is ok to wipe out one people, it never prohibits doing it to another.
and you are a hater, obsessed with islam … hate is a form of fear … and i do not fear you or persons of your limited capacity for understanding … obviously you fear islam.
December 20th, 2006 at 11:50 pm#230
Those damn immigrants!
Sven sven, there’s a Scandinavian gift shop (Ingebretson’s) in Minneapolis right in the middle of about twenty blocks of Latino, African, and Asian businesses, also in Keith Ellison’s district. Every time I drive by it, I have to resist the urge to say “Oh great! There goes the neighborhood.”
As for lutefisk, if the smell doesn’t peel the wallpaper off the wall, it ain’t the real stuff.
December 21st, 2006 at 12:02 amAs for lutefisk, if the smell doesn’t peel the wallpaper off the wall, it ain’t the real stuff.
Comment by chimpeach
People eat this alleged food? Starving people, maybe?
December 21st, 2006 at 12:19 am#242 Zooey
People eat this alleged food? Starving people, maybe?
Mostly Swedes and Norwegians. I think they eat it as a form of penance.
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December 21st, 2006 at 2:34 amit doesnt matter how many muslims will be in usa. but we still will be a slave to the zionist jews. Politicians should consider this threat much more .
December 21st, 2006 at 2:53 amThat`s right!! Si Byl had nothing to do with the postings.I did it.For one simple reason.unbelievable needed to be exposed for the little lying brat that she is.Since she has been exposed and refused to apologize to the board.The postings have now ceased because of one Zooey had asked me very kindly to stop.Her wish has been granted.
Unbelievable,you seem to sweep what your lying words mean to people as you sweep crumbs off the shelf right into the garbage can.You have no need for anyone but yourself.No details necessary.You have shown your ass.To me.To others.
To all the posters on this board.You have shown your real you.It is a very dark and very ugly person that you are.
I trust you`ll be having no problems with posters here in the future.
And try not to play the victim in this when you are anything but.
signed,
Pissed Off Ex Poster little birdie
December 21st, 2006 at 3:01 amThose who have not lived in a Muslim country do not know the dangers of living among THOSE people.
I have and would not want America to be overrun by Muslims.
Islam is a dangerous religion and should be eradicated.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:17 am# 247.
Good luck with that.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:35 amYeah, we tried that with Christianity after the Inquisition, and look how that turned out.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:48 amGood for him. At least he has the stones to stand up for what he believes in. I just wish that he would go after the Mexicans that are invading our country, the impact there will be felt much sooner than a muslim invasion.
December 21st, 2006 at 3:59 amRedneck Virgil is not going to apologize – he truly believes what he says. It is not coincidence that he and George Allen represented the same state. Virginia is full of redneck bigots like these two assholes.
December 21st, 2006 at 4:51 amwould Christ join his church
December 21st, 2006 at 5:15 am“If Muslims can critisize Christians, then Christians can critisize Muslims” and vice versa and vice versa. Come on people!
December 21st, 2006 at 5:20 amNobody seems to have their eyes open wide enough to see that EVERY organized religion is responsible for the chaos we have in the world today.
Apart from Budists I think just about every religion, whether at present or in the past, basically TEACHES intollerance. “O, hello Amazonian tribesman! How about worthipping OUR God from now on? No? Okay… THEN EAT LEAD!!!!”
Stop pointing fingers and face facts: As long as there are organized religions, or even religion in general, there will be hatred and war. That is why I have been an enlightened athiest since I hit puberty (you don’t know how old I am, but trust me… that’s a long time). Every denomination thinks they are correct and all the others are idiots. The worst ones even believe the others should die if they don’t come right. Don’t look so shocked, Jesus freeks: a few years ago you were the worst of the lot!
I know everybody’s going to critisize me for my views, but that’s okay: as an athiest I am more used to being ridiculed than any of you believers. Every single religion demands and, in most Western Counties, receive acceptance of their believe systems, yet athiests don’t seem to qualify for similar treatment anywhere in the world. Just to illustrate that point: I have gay friend who happens to also be an athiest. He came out of the closet years ago after building up the courage, but still does not tell people of his non-belief for fear of the consequences (job loss, etc). And he lives in a civilized Western country! Don’t tell ME you have a hard time because of what you believe! Try not believing in anything… that’s tough!
I’ll end this LONG post with one last question for those of you who think I’m off my rocker:
If all the Muslims suddenly realized that Allah doesn’t exist and that it’s been a big sham, and all the Christians and other believers realized the same thing about their various faiths… would there be any more wars? List all the wars going on in the world at the moment and calculate the root cause of each. Then shut-up and stop wasting your time on “The Root Of All Evil” (watch the BBC documentory by Richard Dawkins).
[...] From this story:  Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) is under fire for a virulently anti-Muslim letter sent to constituents earlier this month. In the letter, Goode says, “I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States†if we do not adopt “strict immigration policies.†He references the election of Muslim Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN), and warns “American citizens†to “wake up†or “there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office.†[...]
December 21st, 2006 at 5:38 amGive the guy a break. He looks like he just escaped from Dogpatch. Seriously, take the suit off of him and you’ve got Pappy Yokum (or maybe Mammy).
This is what happens when you teach Intelligent Design. I’ll bet dollars to donuts that Rep “Goode” (rhymes with “rude”) has had carnal relations with a member of his family or one of his pets.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:57 amAnd don’t forget. The false documents used by the illegals to get the jobs were from identity theft. The real Americans who they were “stolen†form are still trying to fix their lives from these criminals.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_5215724,00.html
I thought no American citizens wanted these jobs?
ROTFL
December 21st, 2006 at 7:55 amI for one am happy that we have an honest politician. That’s about all I am happy with though. Shame on him.
December 21st, 2006 at 8:48 amIt would be nice if critics of liberals would get it straight about what we’re saying, instead of making stuff up and calling us stupid for thinking it. This was pretty much what the president was doing right before the elections his party lost (possibly due to all the lying?)
We have NOT been saying that the jobs illegally-employed people are taking are the ones that Americans don’t want; they are jobs that Americans don’t want for the pay being offered! And what usually happens to the employers who illegally hire the undocumented non-Americans? Shouldn’t they be deported, too? Why not?
December 21st, 2006 at 8:52 amGoode’s strict immigration policy would have been a good idea if it had been enacted just prior to Goode’s ancestors arrival in this country.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:01 amYou people that keep saying “racist” are not so bright. Islam is not a race. Duh.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:23 amYou know… all the liberal elitists, you know the ones who feel they have to label people who don’t agree with them as neocons, just say nazi’s guys. Grow a pair and say it. You want to paint Republicans as nazi’s yet you lack the intestinal fortitude to actually say what you think.
You don’t have to like/agree with what that guy said, but you know what? He thought it, he said it, he believes it, he won’t appologise for it.
Contrast that with the leadership of the Democrats, and the far left. They say what they think will get them in power. Lie lie lie lie…. tell them what they want to hear. Don’t say what you really believe, well because nobody would elect you if you did. Jump behind a cause when it suits you and abandon ship when it doesn’t.
Take Hillary for example, who voted for the war. Now she’s saying if only she had known then what she knew now. Known what exactly? She knew there were no wmd’s found in 2003. It’s taken her 3 years to find out new stuff? She’s bailing because the war is unpopular. Because… she said what she needed to say to get elected. And now that public opinion is falling, abandon ship. Typical lib. You know why you guys didn’t win by a landslide in the presidential elections? You don’t stand for anything. You wait for republicans to say something and then you take the opposite position. Where’s the leadership guys?
Radical muslims (note the RADICAL) have no desire to coexist. They are a virus. Penetrate, multiply, eliminate. I work with people that are muslims. Good people, nice people we’ve talked politics, religeon, and none threaten to kill me because I’m not one. It would be great if they were all like that. Likewise it would be great if you didn’t have Catholics doing bad things. But…. the problem with Islam is that it’s LEADERSHIP is dominated by radicals. Doesn’t matter what the rank and file are. The leaders are calling for the violence. That’s the difference. And unlike say Christianity, most christians don’t say how high when the pope says jump. If a priest in church says go out and shoot people, you don’t see them doing that. The same is not true in the middle east.
It seems the majority of tollerant muslims live either here, or in other places in Europe, but not so much in the middle east.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:31 amJust replace “Muslims” with “Jews” and change the time and country to the 30s in Germany… The parallels are frightening.
Bigoted assholes like Goode, Prager, Moore, and Schlussel, are in effect inciting the ignorant populace to commit pogroms against Muslims.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:31 amIf an extremist group (with prior ties to terrorism) such as CAIR condemns Goode’s remarks, then I hope he will not apologize. And Ellison ought to completely disassociate himself from CAIR.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:34 am#264 Jews were not going around the world calling for killing of other religeons. They weren’t detonating bombs in crowded busses, resturaunts, buildings. They didn’t launch suicide attacks daily in other countries killing 50 or more innocent people (including other jews) each time.
They don’t preach in their temples that anyone who isn’t Jewish should be put to death.
They don’t riot when someone riducules them. They don’t call for the death of authors that publish things they don’t like.
They don’t drive around on scooters and behead buddist monks on their way to prayer.
They don’t call for Iran/Iraq/Saudi Arabie/you name it to be wiped off the map.
They don’t teach hatred of other religeons in their schools.
Their leaders don’t get on TV calling other countries the great satan.
So lets see.
There’s 500 lines. You found ONE that runs parallel, and ooooh the parallels are frightening.
Yes we have so many ignorant people comitting violence against muslims….
You can look at 1000 acts of muslim violence in a week, and find one guy in America that burned down a muslims home and say see! People like that one guy are the problem!
Wake up.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:40 amHere’s the thing I think is strange– immigration laws need to be changed to prevent people of a certain religion from gaining power?? Every Muslim person I know was born in the USA, many converted from Christianity, in fact. America has a growing Muslim community from those who aren’t even immigrants.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:42 amso much for “not being persecuted” based on religion. isnt that a fundamental right or something? you americans are nuts.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:54 amI just wish that he would go after the Mexicans that are invading our country, the impact there will be felt much sooner than a muslim invasion.
Comment by TheMadCow
I bet your family are all Native American too. Want to shut the gate behind you, do you?
Or more likely, it looks like you are just a bit too inbred and it has impacted your IQ in a most negative way.
How is that Nov mid-term working out for you, anyway? Seems you lost some of your fellow bigots.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:01 am#266
Arab Muslims in America are well assimilated. Moreover, it is stupid to equate Muslims with Arabs. People of Persian or Turkish origin are generally muslims but they are not Arabs. People of Maghrebi origin may be kabyle or berber but not necessarily Arabs. People of Indonesian origin are definitely not arabs.
Moreover, plenty of black American Muslims are descendants of those brought into this country in chains.
I don’t hear American Muslims call for a holy war on America.
And the last time I looked, 17 out of the 20 or so 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. Has Saudi Arabia ever apologized for producing terrorists? Never. Has the U.S. taken any sanctions against Saudi Arabia or Pakistan for harboring terrorists? No. Quite the contrary, the Bush administration has been falling all over itself to be friendly with those two “allies”.
Finally, a historical point. In Germany in the 1930s, the Jews were depicted as money-grubbing people who were part of a vast international conspiracy to financially dominate the world and reduce the Germans to servants to their cause.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:04 amwhiners, pacifist and leftest militants need to wake up and smell the new “fall of rome”. Political correctness and apeasement will for sure be the downfall of this nation. The false religion of Islam will not need to swing not one sword to destroy us. little leftest, ignorant children will do it from within.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:10 amSTFU Michael.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:25 am#263 – Well said! I wouldn’t mind voting for a dem if I could trust that they wouldn’t waffle on the issues they were voted into office for. It’s easy to target somebody who’s clear about what they believe. That’s why Bush was re-elected. He’s been very clear about what his beliefs and goal are, and guess what, when he’s wrong he actually admits it even though the majority of the posters here won’t acknowledge it. When it comes to Goode and his beliefs, I say more power to him. It’s good that Virginia actually has somebody with a spine in office.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:32 amGeez, Michael is still a wussie, today even.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:38 amSince when did “racism” become a worse crime than strapping bombs on and killing innocent people? CAIR is constantly complaining about intolerance, but they never seem to condemn their own. One day this country will wake up and see that BLIND tolerance will kill us, just as the Dutch have been witnessing.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:39 amVirgil thinks Ellison is an immagrant. Heh. What an ignorant fool, like Micheal.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:40 am[...] See Glenn Greenwald, Think Progress, and TPMMuckraker for more. [...]
December 21st, 2006 at 11:05 am#270 Are you sure you are replying to me? I don’t mention arabs at all but your reply is about me equating Arabs with Muslims. I was simply pointing out that the replacing Muslims with Jews is a completely invalid argument. I wrote comment #263 and you post agrees with much of my last 2 paragraphs.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:06 am#273. There’s a lot I don’t like about the Republican Leadership. I don’t think Republicanism = Conservatism, and I’m more conservative than Republican. But… when given the choice between a Republican I don’t like and a Democrat that won’t tell you what he/she stands for, what do you do? Better the devil you know?
I don’t agree with Bush on a lot of things, but I do know where he stands on the issue. I know what I am getting with him.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:09 amThis man has a spine. We need more realists like him.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:21 amHis statement is hardly “virulent”, as the story says. Sensationalizing…
December 21st, 2006 at 11:25 am“It’s easy to target somebody who’s clear about what they believe. That’s why Bush was re-elected. He’s been very clear about what his beliefs and goal are, and guess what, when he’s wrong he actually admits it even though the majority of the posters here won’t acknowledge it.”
Please cite examples of Bush admitting that he has been wrong on something. Cite your sources. Vague statements won’t do.
Bush is not clear about what he believes: he is stupidly stubborn.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:28 amDo you have any idea what the most popular name for newborn male babies in the United Kingdom might be? Well … it’s Jack. Now that’s some stunning news, isn’t it? But what about poor George? George has always been quite the British name, hasn’t it? I mean, with King George and all. Well you might be interest in knowing that Mohammed has now moved ahead of George on the list of most popular baby names in England. That’s a warning sign. The Muslim encroachment on England is increasing .. but remember that there are cities in Europe where Mohammed is No. 1 on the list of baby names … so England has a lot of catching up to do.
Everybody is so worried about how bigoted and ignorant Virgil Goode is, but they are blind to what is happening right before their eyes. From the comments here, it looks to me like this country is doomed.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:39 amThis man has a spine. We need more realists like him.
Speaker Pelosi should stick him in the Capitol basement next to Duncan Hunter’s office; there they can do the rascist two-step together with their shirts on backward and their ties wrapped around their heads like Indian chiefs if they want, just keep their jingoist goobering out of view of the sober, taxpaying citizens.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:40 amGood, do not apologize.
I would rather have more Latinos than muslims around….
Proudly latin.
December 21st, 2006 at 12:01 pm[...] Â [...]
December 21st, 2006 at 12:04 pmHa, well, he can kiss is political career goodbye.
December 21st, 2006 at 12:08 pmThe USA would be wise to institute practices similar to China. There are far more people in China practicing a multitude of religions than there are practicing any religions in the USA. People who want to practice a religion in China are free to do so. In China religion and the state are separate by law unlike the USA, at present, which is being manipulated into insane religious dictim in deciding its policies in health, foreign affairs, (in)justice, science and the bullshit piles hire and hire in the USA under GWB and the mangy band of neocon religious twits. Like I say take a page out of China’s book when it comes to religion in the USA. You will be happier for it.
December 21st, 2006 at 12:14 pmI still say these right-wing anti-Muslim rantings are an attempt to breathe life back into somebody’s fading hopes for permanent Republican rule.
You righties just live and die by fear. It’s your primary motivation for doing anything. If it’s not fear of the next terrorist attack, it’s fear of Muslims, fear of gay marriage, fear of the “secular progressives” trying to take away your Christmas, or fear of illegal immigrants. It didn’t work so well in the last election, though, did it? People are onto you and they’re not buying it. If you’re really so frightened, why don’t you build a bunker in your backyard, climb down into it, and stay there?
If you right-wingers were as smart as you think you are, you might start worrying about what life in this country would be like if your president could do away with the Constitution, which is something he seems to be hell-bent on doing.
December 21st, 2006 at 12:33 pmSo Virginia has lots of bigots. Good to know.
December 21st, 2006 at 12:46 pmI thought Virginia was for lovers?*
*Except the same sex type.
December 21st, 2006 at 1:40 pmCongressman Goode has cut off his emails until January 4, 2007.
December 21st, 2006 at 2:48 pmThe Congressman is entitled to his views and unfettered expression of them. Period. Case closed.
Here is something else to try and get your head around, those of you whom are busy defending the virtue of Muslims. They are human beings who live in dysfunctional families, communities etc. And because they are human they are lying dogs when it comes to religious compliance with articles of their faith. That’s why they *need* a religion. The abuse of women, rape of children, and elevation of male privilege are rife among Muslims like they are among Jews, Christians, and the various branches of Catholicism. They repudiate homsexuals like other monotheistic religions while many of them are buggering their camel boys on the sly.
And, Islam is used and has been used as a conquering “unifying” force as has Judaism and Catholicism. Religious politics are as old as the religions themselves. If you do not believe that Islamiscists have designs on conquering the world, then you have your head in the sand.
Sam Clemens said “History does not repeat itself. It ryhmes.”
December 21st, 2006 at 3:02 pmI would like to invite everyone here to join the one true religion. The Spoon is merciful and will forgive all transgressions. Plus you get to wear a nifty spoon. Guess where. It’s got the advantage over wearing crosses, fezzes and turbans in that it’s a private matter, and not for show.
The spoon is the divine shape, for it is curved both outwards and inwards. Do not be deceived in thinking that a spork is better than the Spoon, for there is only one shape to divinity.
It’s the perfect religion for those who wish to be spoonfed what to believe and how to attain enlightenment rather than seeking it within. Even those seeking enlightenment within themselves will find it easier digging with the Spoon.
Even Jesus, Mohammed, and Elvis used spoons!
Go now, rush to your cutlery drawer and don your spoon!
For is it not written (here), ‘On the day of the reconning, he who is without spoon will be cast out into the dark place with the forkey-pokey guys in the red outfits.’
May the Spoon be with you!
December 21st, 2006 at 5:15 pmThe interesting fact is that my post as of this moment and every other post responding to this issue would never see the light of day in any Islam dominated area of the the mideast. Can’t do this in Iran.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:56 pmFunny, no one is talking against the Jews in our Government. Their first loyalty is to Israel and not to America. So…. Muslims are the ones we are going to war for? Question: how many enemies did we have among the Muslim and/or Arabs before 1948?
December 21st, 2006 at 7:04 pmToday is a very black day in america. If we do not loudly rebuke these comments then i fear we will begin sliding down a very slippery slope, one in which we have not seen for 40 years.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:44 pmit is really unbelievable that all you wingnuts who are showing up have this identical, one-dimensional view of the middle east in mind. you’re all woefully misinformed – a person who read National Geographic once in a while would know better than to jabber on the way you people do, and it’s just flippin embarrassing – you’re hysterical ninnies, and you can’t even manage to reach to the reference shelf, or the dictionary even, to get yourself a handle on what’s in the news.
seriously, turn off the am radio, cruise down to the library, and at the very least, skim through a few books, not just one or two; check out the reference section and look up some of the terms you’re hearing/seeing getting thrown around; check into the periodicals section; heck, there are even maps so you can see where Bethlehem reallyis.
then, come on back and have a discussion with some other intelligent, well-informed people – it’s a hoot! you’ll find we even disagree on stuff sometimes. there’s just a whole lot of fun stuff about it – can’t describe it all here, or that would be considered rude – too long a post for this venue.
December 21st, 2006 at 8:37 pm#300 and all those defending Muslims.
Cruise down to the library? Have a discussion with THOSE intelligent, well-informed people?
How about actually living in one of those DAMN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES and SUFFERING?
Those so-called “Progressive-Minded” people here want to ensure that THOSE MUSLIMS have equal protection and rights, but they have no idea how bad it really is out there.
THOSE MUSLIMS persecute and kill others (e.g. Malaysia, Indonesia, East Timor) wantonly all over the world while they lament at the way we treat them here in America? What a joke.
Live in a Muslim country, then come back and tell me what a xenophobic, self-righteous bigot I am.
Protect them at your own peril.
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December 21st, 2006 at 9:57 pmUnfortunately, there are legions of White Trash piece of scum posting on this site. To all White Trash Scum: your vermin ancestors were the murderers, rapists, thieves and human garbage which destroyed and stole wholesale from the Americas, Asia and Africa. I only wish the American Indians had artillery, so they could have sent the Mayflower to the bottom of the ocean. Wherever White Trash scum has metastasized out of their homes in Northern Europe, misery has followed.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:32 pmThere are legions of White Trash scum posting on this site. To all White Trash scum: your vermin ancestors were the murderers, rapists, thieves and human garbage which destroyed and stole wholesale from the Americas, Asia and Africa. I only wish the American Indians had artillery, so they could have sent the Mayflower to the bottom of the ocean. Wherever White Trash scum has metastasized out of their homes in Northern Europe, misery has followed.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:34 pmTo you all white trash on this site…I am a proud american muslim & I love this country more than all muslim nations put together! I am prepared to defend it with my blood from hate-mongering, racist & shortsighted idiots. Please take note, America belongs to all…name it!
December 22nd, 2006 at 11:40 amSo, only white people are allowed to have an opinion AGAINST Muslims?
I’ll have you Muslims Scums know that I’m not white and I have suffered at the hands of your so-called Muslim Brethren.
Defend America?
What about the blood of those innocent people in Malaysia, Indonesia, East Timor, and many more? The World has not heard about the bloodshed in those countries quite as much as it should.
What Slobodan Milosevic and Israel did is JUSTICE. I will support Virgil Goode to ensure that the Islamic Infestation in America comes to an end.
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmIt is un believable that Goode has not resigned yet and it is even more astonishing that a person with such a kind of ignorance about Islam,the diverse culture in America, muslims and the core values that make this country Great, can even be elected to public office.He should resign now to save the diversity that strengthens America. Who is He anyways? He is even more dengerous than the Muslims he is woried about.Let him close all the American Embassies in the MIddle East.
December 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 amGoode sounds like a candidate for the KKK. I think he should resign from public office at once and never seek public office again.
We do not need ignorant, arrogant, racist, bigoted xenophobes in public office.
December 25th, 2006 at 4:52 pmJorge, CAIR does not have links to HAMAS or Hizbullah. CAIR is a legitimate civil rights organization.
December 25th, 2006 at 4:53 pmA moderate Muslim is like a Christian who does not take religion seriously. No one who believes that the Koran is the word of god can read chapter nine and many like it without learning to hate nonbelievers. The Koran (Qur’an) teaches Muslims to convert, enslave or make war and kill nonbelievers. It teaches Muslims it is a sin to make friends with nonbelievers if you believe I’m full of crap read the Koran for your selves it’s on the internet don’t cost a cent.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:05 pmA moderate Muslim is like a Christian who does not take religion seriously. No one who believes that the Koran is the word of god can read chapter nine and many like it without learning to hate nonbelievers. The Koran (Qur’an) teaches Muslims to convert, enslave or make war and kill nonbelievers. It teaches Muslims it is a sin to make friends with nonbelievers if you believe I’m full of crap read the Koran for your selves it’s on the internet don’t cost a cent.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:05 pmA moderate Muslim is like a Christian who does not take religion seriously. No one who believes that the Koran is the word of god can read chapter nine and many like it without learning to hate nonbelievers. The Koran (Qur’an) teaches Muslims to convert, enslave or make war and kill nonbelievers. It teaches Muslims it is a sin to make friends with nonbelievers if you believe I’m full of crap read the Koran for your selves it’s on the internet don’t cost a cent.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:06 pmA moderate Muslim is like a Christian who does not take religion seriously. No one who believes that the Koran is the word of god can read chapter nine and many like it without learning to hate nonbelievers. The Koran (Qur’an) teaches Muslims to convert, enslave or make war and kill nonbelievers. It teaches Muslims it is a sin to make friends with nonbelievers if you believe I’m full of crap read the Koran for your selves it’s on the internet don’t cost a cent.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:06 pmA moderate Muslim is like a Christian who does not take religion seriously. No one who believes that the Koran is the word of god can read chapter nine and many like it without learning to hate nonbelievers. The Koran (Qur’an) teaches Muslims to convert, enslave or make war and kill nonbelievers. It teaches Muslims it is a sin to make friends with nonbelievers if you believe I’m full of crap read the Koran for your selves it’s on the internet don’t cost a cent.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:07 pmIn reply to Walter Sarkis. Sir to blame the Jews for our problems with the Muslims is absurd. As a country our first conflict with the Muslims took place in 1798 with Tripoli. When they were enslaving our sailors ask any Marine you know. It ended with the Treaty of Tripoli. As for 1948, remember almost all of the Middle East was under British and French colonial rule. It is oil that has allowed the Muslims to continue their 1400 year goal of world conquest. We as a nation brought colonialism to and end. But we get no credit for that. Remember it was a Muslim that killed Robert Kennedy in the late sixties. And have attacked us time and time again. Read history, read the Koran and learn.
December 25th, 2006 at 10:20 pmI would rather live under Hugo Chavez than I would President Bush.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:29 amReply to Brandon Harris, Brandon there are no laws, nor fences to keep you from leaving for
December 26th, 2006 at 2:27 pmVenezuela. Why don’t you leave your passport here, make a clean break. Do charity work, become a valued citizen of Venezuela. Join the military and defend the country from imperialists. Both countries will benefit Venezuela from your presents and the United States from your absents.
I would probably go and join the Marxist guerrillas in Colombia and help them fight against U.S. imperialism, Ernest.
December 27th, 2006 at 12:56 amReply to Ernest, I wish for everyday that the U.S. someday becomes a Marxist country. I would rather live under Marxism anyway because that is what I am. Moreover, Marxism is real democracy in action. Your electricity, gas, water, education and health care is free. You do not have to worry anymore about paying taxes and there is greater emphasis on people instead of profits.
December 27th, 2006 at 12:59 amBrandon: I am sixty eight years old. During WWII I saw people in Europe and the Far East eating out of garbage cans. It took American money through the Marshall plan to bring prosperity to the parts of Europe and Asia that did not end up under Communism. Look at the prosperity that Russia and Eastern Europe have developed under capitalism and look at China. The oldest capital nation in the world now that their communist government has adopted a modified capital system the Chinese people are thriving in comparison. I don’t know if you have read Karl Marx, I have, though for different reasons. During the Korean War American solders were brainwash I swore no one would ever brain wash me so in high school I study American government, history and culture. When I became a Marine I studied Karl Marx, Lenin and Mao se Tong. In fact I instructed Guerrilla Warfare in the 50’s. If you wish to discuss Guerrilla tactics or anti guerrilla tactics we can do so. Any way you do well to call your self a Marxist rather than a Communist. As you (though others who may read this may not) probably realize that Communism is a form of government that uses the Marxist economic system. Note China is still a Communist State although they no longer use a true Marxist system. No Marxist type government has ever been successful though out history to my knowledge. Our Pilgrim fore fathers tried it Plymouth. Married men could not see why their wives had to wash closes for unmarried men with no remuneration. People would not do the work needed to raise corn, harder workers got tired of carrying the load for lazy people and so on. I suggest you read the Plymouth Colony by Bradford My family name is Norton ( I hit two keys at one time and the program won’t allow correction) we are mention in the book we came to this country in 1634 just in time to fight in the Puget war, and all the wars sense. So you can blame my family for all the evils in America but I gave them credit for what is right. The main problem today in America is the new people (those who have come here sense 1900) who wish to turn America into a European type nation. Including supreme count judges, who use European law to interpret our Constitution. One more thing as a nineteen year old Marine I come to the conclusion after reading Karl Marx that American unions had gain more in the destitution of wealth than Communism ever would. May I suggest you join the political process the left wing of the Democratic Party would welcome you. You properly should read George Lakoff, George Soros and Peter Lewis they are the mentors of that wing of the party.
December 27th, 2006 at 3:57 pmErnest, I am a member of the left-wing of the Democratic Party and I know George Soros and Al Franken well.
December 27th, 2006 at 5:48 pmLOL. He shouldn’t have to apologize. Freedom of speech does not come with a clause of mandatory apology. Especially to Muslim untermensch.
December 27th, 2006 at 7:10 pmOF COURRRRSE he’s a Republican. Racism and Intolerance and the Republican party have become synonymous over the last 40 years. After all teh former head of the KKK ran as a what? Say it with me” PEPUBLICAN.
I am not interested in an apology (which he will undoubtedly tender once his seat is contested in teh next election) as it will be worth LESS than a bucket of spit. Throw the bum out on his racist ass. He and the rest of the current crop of Republicans have not a single clue what makes America great. We don’t need them running the Government.
December 27th, 2006 at 9:14 pmReply to Doug Williams: Doug (I like that name it is a strong name) I don’t know how old you are but you are weak in history. The KKK is a southern institution. Developed to keep Political power among the whites. There is still one democrat left in the senate who was a card carrying KKK member Robert (KKK) Bird He tried very hard in the 1950’s to make the KKK a political force here in West Virginia. As far as racism in the Republican Party they were the champions of black Americans for nearly 80 years until people felt that President Roosevelt was a better champion for them, Remember though it was Eisenhower that sent troops to Little Rock to enforce integration. He did not have Presidents sense Thomas Jefferson Have told the Supreme Court where to go they would not enforce their edicts. Johnson had to turn to Everrit Dirksen to get the Civil rights bill passed a little know fact is that more Republican voted for the Civil Rights bill than Democrats. Senator Gore Al’s Daddy voted against it, along with Robert KKK Bird. And Remember it was Nixon who by edit made the Voting rights bill law. And worked very hard for minority rights. Today the Republican Party has more African American in high positions than Democrats. You seem to hate Republicans but they range from the very liberal Senator Snow of Maine to Newt Gingrich. They have more Black Americans in high positions then do Democrats, Oh I know there are right wingers who love to call names as do you, but only logic and facts will win your point of view in a discussion. Ernest
December 28th, 2006 at 4:28 pmBrandon, (sorry my Spell Check not working) Well I knew you would be welcome there. May I suggest you stay there I don’t believe the Drug Lords will wish to share power or money with an American Markist or any political pursuazion and bullets in the butt hurt. The only Liberal Democrat I’ve ever broke bread with was ED Muskie Senator from Maine. He was a family friend my cousin Elmer being a Roservelt Democrat. But he was not a Secular-Progressive like you. At lest that I know. You know Gerge Soros and Big All, impressive, If Geoge will let you how about discussing your cause and what and why you believe what you do. Some day I need to read Lakoff’s book The Elephant. I hjave a hard time that Soros would recommend Markism for you, being Jewish and leaveing Hungary when the Russians took over. He prefers the Capitalist system to make money. Later Gator, Ernest
December 28th, 2006 at 5:34 pmThis just shows that a political leader does indeed represent his constituents. If a people will elect a leader like this, what does that say about the state of the American mentality? I used to have a sense of patriotism that was beside itself after listening to the ignorant, hypocritical rants of the elected leaders. I would tell myself that these men, these white, Christian men, did not represent our country and its people. After seeing the course this nation has taken and the actions or lack thereof by its people to let this happen, I have decided there is nothing left to be proud of. It has become impossible to defend this country’s actions and I no longer have a sense of pride about any aspect of America. Our Bill of Rights has become meaningless, and all the freedoms that we promote through pomp and imagery are hollow and fraudulent. We invade countries to end religious theocracy and bring about the “secular democracy” that our country supposedly operates on, when all we have become is an equally extremist religious rule. As for the gentleman towards the top who complained that its OK to complain about Christianity but not about Islam, Christianity has been responsible for the most death, war, and atrocity in the history of mankind. Seeing as how ignorant and misinformed you come across as, you probably believe the “sectarian” violence in Iraq is religiously fueled. It is nothing more than a small number of political extremist masquerading as religious zealots and trying to turn Sunnis and Shiites against one another in order to destabilize the structure and take control of it. You can find Sunnis and Shiites sheltering one another from the senseless slaughter that American doctrine only fuels. I suggest you become more knowledgeable about the state of affairs in the world before you go voicing your ignorant and stupid opinion you stupid f*ck. If there is a hell it is more than likely reserved for you.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:24 amReply to Ryan Mixson: You seem to blame the White Christian Male although Christians come in both sexes. White, black, brown red, yellow, etc. for every thing wrong in the world. (I hope I’m exaggerating) Thomas Jefferson stated In the Declaration of Independence That Freedom come from The Law of Nature or Nature’s God. He also stated that the people have the right to abolish a Government that becomes destructive to its inalienable rights which led to the second amendment. You claim the Christians are making The Bill of rights mean less. But yet it is the liberals, The Secular Progressives, and seemingly you yourself that would deny Christians the right of free speech, the right to bear arms to restrain to Government, or The right to vote their convictions. You claim that Christian have cause most of the wars in history. But Christianity only been around for two thousand years and warfare been mans favorite pastime. In 620 when Mohamed started the Moslem goal of world conquest, much of the Middle East was Christian. Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan were Zoroaster. But in about 100 years they had conquered all of that including Christian North Africa, Spain, and Portugal invaded France and Italy in 688 laid siege to Constantinople. And for four hundred years had their way. But when the West sent the crusaders to re-conquer the Holy Lands they screamed unfair. They failed Allah and Allah turned his back on them. But remember the Koran tells them to re-conquer lost lands and so they did about two hundred years later. Fortunately for the West, Genghis Khan and Tamerlane kept them busy for most of the next two hundred years Tamerlane was a Moslem and he love to build pyramids of skull he built at least one of 50,000 Muslims skulls in Iran or Persia, America’s first war was with the Muslim country of Tripoli they were capturing America ships and selling the sailors into slavery. The Marines pit an end to that with the Treaty of Tripoli. Recently Moslems killed Robert Kennedy, Americans in embassies, barracks, beer halls, a ship and 3000 in America itself. You don’t seem to like Christianity well maybe you will like living under a Caliph and Islamic law. Hopefully God will provide Young American men and women who will fight and if necessary die to prevent that.
December 29th, 2006 at 11:41 pmI wish I had Written this.
The lady who wrote this letter is Pam Foster of Pamela Foster & Associates in Atlanta GA. She’s been in business since 1980 doing interior design and home planning. She recently wrote a letter to a family member serving in Iraq……. Read it!
“Are we fighting a war on terror or aren’t we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?
Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation’s capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania?
Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn’t they?
And I’m supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was “desecrated” when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don’t. I don’t care at all.
I’ll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I’ll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia .
I’ll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg’s head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I’ll care when the cowardly so-called “insurgents” in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.
I’ll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children w ithin range of their suicide bombs.
I’ll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution’s Bill of Rights.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don’t care.
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured that I don’t care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don’t care.
When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed “special” food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being “mishandled, ” you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don’t care.
And oh, by the way, I’ve noticed that sometimes it’s spelled “Koran” and other times “Quran.” Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and —- you guessed it – - I don’t care ! ! ! ! !
If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later, it’ll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior! If you don’t agree, then by all means hit the delete button.
Should you choose the latter, then please don’t complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country.
I am not deleting this, I am sending it on, but only after I add:
–”Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don’t have that problem.”
– Ronald Reagan
“If we ever forget that we’re One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.”
December 29th, 2006 at 11:47 pmalso by… Ronald Reagan
I hope that I did not contradict myself in the last post. It is wrong to torture and execute people.
January 1st, 2007 at 12:47 amI am a death penalty opponent. However, at the time, Cuba had to do what it did to purge the country of Batista supporters. I will not criticize Cuba. Cuba is a great country.
January 1st, 2007 at 12:49 amBrandon, I don’t know where you posted your oppersition to the execution of people but you return to your Marxist ways when you justifie torture and execution by Castro to enforce his government.As a person who has stated he would like to be a Martist guerrla and Bring a Marxist Government to America ( readers please see article 314,315) You ignore the reputation that Marxist guerrlas have earn during the last hundred years for torture and murder. How many millions of people have died at the hands of Marxist Goverments, in Russia, eastern Europe, China, Vetnam, Cambodia was efficient they kept pitchures, name and even some of the skulls of its victems. Name me a Marxist government that has freedom of press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms. How would you empose a Marxist government on America with out doing away with the Bill of Rights like you claim white Christians are doing. Tell us how you are going to led us to this better life. Tell me how you are going to do it without putting me on the list to be excuted.
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:26 amErnest, I believe in the right to bear arms and to arm myself and other people to liberate people from U.S. imperialism and capitalism. I am armed because I am a revolutionary Marxist and all revolutionaries are armed.
There are plenty of freedoms in Cuba, Venezuela, Libya. They have freedom of speech and believe in arming liberation movements. After the people have been liberated, then they can disarm themselves. There is also freedom of religion although I would have ‘In God We Trust’ taken off all our monies and I would also take ‘Under God’ out of the Pledge of Allegiance.
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:41 pmLet us not take freedom to a level where it does not belong.If we dont, people are going to claim freedom to stupidity which will erode all the basic laws of nature. “FREEDOM IS THE RIGHT TO BEHAVE AS YOU OUGHT TO, NOT AS YOU WISH.” People should be able to apologize regardless of their status in society for the good of humanity. If not, it implies the notion that: “ÄLL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.”
If you can appologize, putting your diginity on the line, you create yourself a spot among the civilized.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmFor that dimwit that asked me if “self actualization” were to big of a word.
Well I’ll just leave it at that. This is entertaining really but far to easy like shooting fish in a bucket.
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:33 pmBrandon I must say I don’t know what to think of you yet. I doubt that you have anything good to say about our founding fathers that they not only gave you the right to have a gun but justify your reason to carry it. Listen to Thomas Jefferson in the declaration of Independence. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, You claim our government is evil but yet people from all over the world clamor to come here some even at risk to their lives, and only a faction of one percent choose to leave no matter how bad they feel life here is, which includes you and many movie stars. Why do people risk their lives to come hers? Opportunity, our government’s job is to protect opportunity, not to take care for its citizens like children. Also to protect Freedom and provides the tools that allow its citizens to take advantage of opportunity, and the FREDOM that allows them to succeed in their endeavors. Ernesto Che Guevara started out a nice young man who studied hard and became a doctor. He work with the lepers and the poor and underprivileged.But after becoming a Markist Guerrila he gave up a rucksack full of medicine and pick a case of ammunition. Guevara became Castro’s chief lieutenant and distinguishes himself as a resourceful and ruthless tactician capable of ordering the execution of traitors and waverers. Che comes to believe in hatred as a potent revolutionary force. “Hatred (is) an element of the struggle,”. Marxist wish to force people to live under a Markist econormic system at gunpoint. Our American fore fathers wish to creat a world in which all men would live under a government that it’s peopl chose one that allow the most freedom a government could.
January 3rd, 2007 at 11:30 pm[...] himself to Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) today on the House floor. In an earlieir letter to his constituents, Goode attacked Ellison — the first Muslim elected to Congress — and warned “American citizens” to “wake up” or “there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office.” Watch it: [...]
January 4th, 2007 at 3:04 pmI think we all should be more respectful for all mankind and there belief. for few people a religion or all followers should not be blame and become the victim of hate,
Mary
January 5th, 2007 at 1:09 am1. These I think we all should be more respectful for all mankind and there belief. for few people a religion or all followers should not be blame and become the victim of hate,
January 7th, 2007 at 9:29 pmMary
Comment by Mary — January 5, 2007 @ 1:09 am
Reply to Mary. Mary I find this hard to write. But you and other Americans like you are part of the problem. By what you expressed I would assume that you are part of the best American culture has to offer. We are a product of Judeo Christian ethics and mores. Modified by Western and British culture, and fine tuned by the American experience. Our forefathers gave us a government that has allowed us to accept people from all over the world and live in relative peace and harmony until resent years. There are three problem groups as I see it, one the Social Progressives, who believe the world owes people a living, they also wish to change the U.S. into a European state. The second group re conquistadors from Mexico have no desire to become Americans but to rejoin the southwest with Mexico. These two groups are a political, social and
Economic problem. The third group Islamic or Muslims are by group agenda a danger to the American way of life. Yes there are exceptions but what you need to focus on is that to them the Koran (Quran) is the word of God. And it commands them to make Allah the God of this world. To make the Sharia (Islamic law) the law of the world. And they dream of one Caliph as the world ruler. Now I realize that you will not accept what I’m saying, but conceder if I’m right that there is a chance your children and grandchildren might lose their freedom and their way of life. So why don’t you go to the internet and read the Koran chapter nine is a good one to start with. Look up the words Sharia, Jizya and Dhimmitude to start with. Read what’s going on in the world. It took 9/11 to get my head out of the sand.
We respect freedom of religion. The problem is that Christians feel that their religion comes first and that their religion is better than anyone else’s. They are not in any position to judge what religion is better.
The Christian crusaders did the same things that was stated under Sharia law. How many people have the Christians killed for not submitting to their religion?
January 8th, 2007 at 12:37 amErnest, free enterprise, globalisation and capitalism does not work. It only works for the people who work in the financial centers of the U.S. and that is Wall Street, the IMF and WTO.
Why is it that there are people who have over $100 million dollars and there are many of them in the U.S.? Why is it that they could not share some of their wealth with everyone else? What do they need all that money for?
All these people who run these big businesses only care about themselves and their money. They could care less about the people who work under them or the environment.
January 8th, 2007 at 12:40 amMarxism will liberate the people. The only reason that the Soviet Union, Cambodia and Eastern Europe fell is because of neo-liberal policies and the U.S. imperialists bankrupting their economies by starting an arms race with the Soviet Union.
Moreover, Nixon and Kissinger murdered over 600,000 Cambodians in 1969-70 so that they would submit to imperialism. Kissinger should be taken and put on trial.
Pol Pot was the best leader Cambodia ever had. Honestly, Ernest, do you believe that Pol Pot murdered 2 or 3 million Cambodians in little less than four years? I do not think so.
The Khmer Rouge did what they had to do to make Cambodia an agricultural nation.
January 8th, 2007 at 12:45 amNow, come on Ernest. Do you honestly believe that all Hispanics are an economic and social problem?
I do not view Mexicans or other Hispanics as a social problem. They are here because there is nothing for them back in Mexico, Guatemala or Colombia. So, they come here for jobs that no other American wants.
I live in Indiana. There are several turkey processing plants near where I live. They employ a lot of Hispanics. Why? Because, they cannot get an average American to work for them because the work is very hard and it is nasty.
They contribute to the economy and the community. I do not view them as a threat. They have a right to be here and I say, lets legalize them all.
January 8th, 2007 at 12:50 am“Capitalism will create its own gravediggers.” Karl Marx.
January 8th, 2007 at 12:51 amthank god that there is politician/public figure confident enough to confront the games the muslims are playing in our world today. you do not have to look very far to see the outrageous viewpoint of many muslims. they have a jew fixation for example. to some large extent they believe that the jewish peoples should be extinguished. now do we want that issue brought to the USA? they think we support in every way the efforts of Israel to exist. Muslims keep coming to the USA and I am sure they hope in many ways to find a way to influence political and social policy in the USA and bring their world domineering and anti Jewish agenda with them. I am not jewish.
January 8th, 2007 at 11:40 pmReply to Dorian: Its worse than that A Iman stated in an American Mosque that Once the Moslims had 50% of the population they would do away with the Consitution and sharia will be the law of the land.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:46 amReply to Brandon: Hey Brandon I finely jerk your chain Buddy. Now we got something to discuss I hope Mary will stay with us she might enjoy it. Item one: Religion: Knowing you’re a Marxist I will not try to convert you to my religion :=))). I don’t if there is any body who is happy about their religion who does not feel it is superior to others. I can judge my religion by comparing it to the founders of others for example Jesus said “ Let those who have no sin cast the first stone†Mohammed when a young woman come to him asking for forgiveness because she was pregnant out of wedlock was told to return after the baby was born. She did and was told to return when the baby was weaned. She came back after the baby was weaned. Mohammed instructed her to be put in a pit and told one of his disciples to stone her. The disciple hit her so hard with a rock that her blood got oh his cloths, He began to curse at her and Mohammed told him to stop, she was now forgiven. Yes I be live I can judge religion.
January 9th, 2007 at 12:49 amEverybody picks on the Crusaders for fighting to recover land the Muslims stole from the early Christians .killing everybody that wasn’t worth enslaving or did not convert. I ad mitt they were not much better that their Muslim opponents in fact the forth crusade did not even reach the Holy Lands, they stop to sack and loot Constantinople, which weaken the city so bad that it fell to the Muslims about 100 years later. Although the Koran forbids homosexuality the Turkish Caliph requested the son of a Christian nobleman who was known for his physical beauty sent to him, his father said he would see him dead first. So the caliph had the boy kill before his father and then had the father killed for denying him the pleasure of the boy.so you see all religions have their hypocrites.Yes the Spanish believed in forced conversion, one Indian in Cuba while at the stack refused to convert because he did not wish to meet anymore Christians.But nevertheless Europe was converted by saints like Patrick, Andrew, Benedict etc there no record of them killing anyone that I know of.but tell me who is the Muslim saint who convert large areas without and army,
January 08, 2007
The Islamic States of America
To See the flag go to: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014744.php
A poster spotted and photographed it in a Muslim-owned auto repair shop in New England.
January 9th, 2007 at 3:43 pmIsn’t this the equivalent to the perceived insults of Danish cartoons? I would have thought a good Muslim would think this to be blasphemous.
The print on this image states “Crescent Cluster Networks”.
Maybe this will help you understand Muslims.
The Islamic fire motivating the slaughter is a militaristic, religious-political ideology that values war as a demonstration of loyalty to a deity, demands obedience to its spokesmen,(Mohammed) and imposes its edicts over millions of people.
A man in Colorado, sentenced to jail for enslaving an Indonesian woman, said: “Your Honor, I am not here to apologize, for I cannot apologize for things I did not do and crimes I did not commit. The state has criminalized these basic [religious] behaviors.†The man said he treated the woman the way any family of his cultural convictions would treat a daughter: by locking her in the basement.7)
January 9th, 2007 at 11:34 pmI would prefer tying her up with some soft, white nylon rope or some red MFP-Solid Braid rope because red is my favorite color. I love bondage and nothing turns me on more than seeing a woman bound with ropes and gagged.
January 10th, 2007 at 3:47 pmBondage is alot of fun as long as it is safe, sane and consensual. I think everybody should try it once in awhile.
January 10th, 2007 at 3:50 pmThe problem is you have people speaking about subjects they have no knowledge of. Why don’t you stop being the typical lazy people other countries have you pegged as and find the truth of the matter before you go spouting off to the world about a topic. You all look like idiots!
January 18th, 2007 at 3:57 pmIslam is a evil death cult incompatable with a modern democracy.All
February 13th, 2007 at 9:25 pmthe liberals who apologize for it make me sick.They dont want you
to know that the Quran orders Muslims to kill Christians and Jews.
Yet the Liberal scum will always condem Christians as the evil ones.
Cogratulations to Rep Goode for telling it like it is.
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