Anti-Muslim Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) appeared on Fox News this afternoon to talk about his “fear” that “we will have many more Muslims in the United States.” Host David Asman twice asked Goode to say whether he believes “there are too many Middle Easterners here now.”
After trying to dodge the question once, Goode answered, after a long pause, “Uh, I’m not gonna say yes or no on that. I’d like to know the exact number. I don’t have the exact numbers.” Watch it:
Later, Goode said he did not believe Muslim Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN) should be prohibited from bringing a Koran to Congress “but I am for restricting immigration so that we don’t have a majority of Muslims elected to the United States House of Representatives.”
Full transcript:
ASMAN: What is the Virgil Goode position?
GOODE: David, I believe we need to totally stop illegal immigration, reduce legal immigration, and do away with visas.
ASMAN: Describe what diversity visas are.
GOODE: The diversity visa program was one that was instituted about a decade ago to increase the number of visas and immigrants from persons not from the European countries, and the diversity visa program lets in about 50,000 persons per year. They are from different countries, a number from the Middle East. There are also some terrorist states that are included in the diversity visa programs, as defined by the Department of State.
ASMAN: But Congressman, you do single out people from the Middle East. You say, President Clinton has allowed too many people from the Middle East to come to this country.” So you do believe there are too many Middle Easterners here now?
GOODE: No — I, I said there — in the diversity visa program needs to be ended. It shouldn’t have been adopted to begin with, in my opinion.
ASMAN: But do you think there are too many Middle Easterners in the United States right now?
GOODE: Uh, I’m not gonna say yes or no on that. I’d like to know the exact number. I don’t have the exact numbers. I know, in the diversity visa program, a number do come from the Middle East, roughly in the neighborhood of 10 to 20 percent, and that’s 50,000 per year total in the program.
Why do the idiots get so much press? Muslim is a religion (Islam) not ethnicity. Are all these guys home schooled?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:09 pm#1 Bwaaahaaahhhaahhaa!
December 21st, 2006 at 5:11 pmYou moron, do you know what race Indonesians are considered to be?
Asian.
Do you know what religion most all Indonesians profess?
Islam.
So you’re advocating deportation of all Muslim Indonesians from the US?
Great, get in line for something called ‘youth in asia’. You’ll love it!
“Uh, I’m not gonna say yes or no on that. I’d like to know the exact number. I don’t have the exact numbers.†- - And the question that should have then been asked is, “What number constitutes too many?”
December 21st, 2006 at 5:12 pmWell Virgil, there’s more than one and less than 350,000,000. At what point in between do you declare that there are too many?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:12 pmMaybe Goode would like for them all to wear a patch with a crescent and star on it, so they could be readily identified. That way, he could round them up and send them to camps, maybe aboard trains, and maybe put ‘em to work, and then…
Hmmm. All that rings a bell.
Goode = Dangerous Dumbass.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:14 pmpolitical suicide in progress - what a treat! and you thought michael richards capped himself publicly
December 21st, 2006 at 5:15 pmNasty Nas, I’ll go two further - 0 muslims, 0 christians and 0 jews. Now we are getting somewhere.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:15 pmNasty Ass, is such a dork. I guess he no longer cares how obvious his name changes are.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:16 pmNasty Nas must be like 21, listens to wrap, has an attitude, can’t have a debate to save his life.
I think I hear your mom calling you from upstairs, she wants you to wash up its time for dinner.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:17 pmWow. Can he sound any more like a Jeff Foxworthy commercial?? If you ask me, he’s a talking example of Why we need more immigration.
IMO, An Ass, but like a good little politician, he is obviously milking the publicity.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:17 pm#6…
December 21st, 2006 at 5:20 pmDown through the course of history, “the left has tended to champion the downtrodden, whatever their religion, race or ethnicity may have been.
Muslims are the “downtrodden du jour” at the present time.
Now Nasty Nas: go face Wal-Mart, get down on your belly, and hump the shag.
Hey Nasty, last time I checked, most Americans hated people like you too. And mostly, I think the reason for that is your ignorance and arrogance. Asians are OK with you. You evidently don’t even know that the country with the largest muslim population in the world is in Asia.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:21 pmYall shoulda thought about this years ago when the US was a “melting pot” remember? What happened, pot too full now?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:21 pmNasty Nas, you appear to be a christian. Please prove the existence of god. After you have found that you can’t, come back with some ideas to actually improve humanity.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:21 pmNasty Nas, why don’t you just ask for a Final Solution and be done with it.
geez…
December 21st, 2006 at 5:22 pmWhat? They didn’t ask noGoode the obvious follow-ups:
1. Are there too many Blacks in the US?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:23 pm2. Are there too many Hispanics in the US?
3. Are there too many Catholics in the US?
4. Are there too many Mormons in the US?
5. Are there too many Jews in the US?
We do need more immigration. But not from Islamic countries. No Sharia laws for me! I love my women with skin showing!
Comment by Nasty Nas
And thats as far as you’ll ever get. Bwaaaabwaaaaaaahaaahaa!
December 21st, 2006 at 5:23 pmHey nasty, I haven’t seen too many attacks on christians, but since you mention it….
Foolish rules of ancient date
Designed to make you all feel great
While you bend, fold and mutilate
Those unbelievers in the neighboring state.
— Zappa
December 21st, 2006 at 5:23 pmA relative question with answers that are relative. What wrong with not answering the question with a yes or no to that. Thats like answering the question “Is it true you stopped beating your wife?” If you never have beaten your wife I suppose you could say no it is not true. However not being able to counter with ” That is quite simply because I never started in the first place” Would not be fair would it?
A conversatioin lame brains. You habe no smoking gun violation of your fictious
law. What a bunch of idiots
December 21st, 2006 at 5:23 pm#13
December 21st, 2006 at 5:25 pmIf you have “nasty nads”, next time you take a bath, try… (what,.. what’s a bath……..??)
OK, let me start over…. you know that white thing out there in your garden with that old crumbling plaster statue standing in it? Well…………..
Ummm, anyone can be a Muslim. Stopping immigration is not going to stop someone that is already here from converting. Since everyone in the United States has the potential (and freedom) to convert to Islam, just what is Goode afraid of again?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:25 pmNas is the same guy that thinks every Jew speaks Hebrew and dresses Hasidic. His crayon box has two colors, which is ok, ’cause he’s not creative enough to use more than two anyway. I guess Xmas break is going to be a weird time, while all the trollspawn are home from school, prank-calling the internet like little ashton kutchers.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:25 pmGOODE: Uh, I’m not gonna say yes or no on that.
Since he’s already said he thinks there are too many ME people in the US.
What an idiot.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:25 pmNow that was a cogent, well-thought out argument. Three cheers!
December 21st, 2006 at 5:26 pmNasty Nas… what’s wrong with you? Did your mother not hold you as a baby? Do you even know any Muslims or people from the middle east?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:27 pmWow Nasty Nos stepped up the debate.
I’m not into Islam either, but mostly I’m not into assholes. Whether Islam, Christian, or Jewish.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:27 pmHe’s just trying to carry this facist administration’s water and “build support” for the shiney new American Concentration Camps that are now beginning to be used. They’re going to start with the imigrants ya know..( ex: The Meat packing plant that was just raided—-they took the folks off to “camps”)…and when we’re all used to that shocker ( after all we’ve gotten used to no Habeus Corpus and Chimpy’s handi work with New Orleans ya?) they’ll start on the gays, Muslims, and the liberals.
I suggest people read this….it’s important: http://www.firedoglake.com/ 2006/ 12/ 21/ take-action-immigrants-imprisoned-in-american-concentration-camps-on-christmas/
This madman must be stopped. And I mean GW Bush and Company.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:29 pmpretty sure Nas is the “Jorge” from yesterday - likely a middle school student home on break (contemplating “showing them all once and for all” when school resumes) OR a middle school student home from school playing stephen colbert.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:29 pmPutting African Americans in prison increases Muslim converts you dumb ass nasty nas. The whole punishment mentality just creates more of them. Going over there and killing them breeds more, filling our prisons with African Americans just converts more. You are almost as stupid as your President. You can’t kill them all, I don’t care how much of that desert you “Glass”.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:30 pm“We do need more immigration. But not from Islamic countries. No Sharia laws for me! I love my women with skin showing!”
Wow, myopic and eugenic. Tell me, Nasty, how many Muslims in Iraq do you think appreciate essentially having been told that they have been living backwards for the past few thousand years in the eyes of a country whose policies every bit as removed from “reality” if not more so? Flippant rationale for defence and attack gets everyone nowhere fast (look at Iraq and make me a liar).
December 21st, 2006 at 5:31 pm#32 …..long winter, eh?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:33 pmIs that you stuck up there in the rehab center with Pastor Haggard, General Gummysome?
The more Muslims are “oppressed” the more of a “cause” they have. It just adds fuel.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:34 pmNice Nels thinks that Muslims are the “downtrodden du jour†at the present time.
Just goes to so what is wrong with out media. What is wrong with the pervasiveness of political correct ideology. Shows what is wrong with the political left who is more than willing to sell out all our cherished freedoms for the sake of power and use deceit as a means to accomplish this end.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:34 pmThere should only be Americans on their own soil too that way there would be NO WARS in this world / truthful sarcasm off
But really as a nation its unactceptable for polititions to lead a nation who talk of racism they should not be a democrat or a republican BUT A NATIONALIST PARTY MEMBER AS IN THE REST OF THE WORLD
December 21st, 2006 at 5:35 pmRep. Ellison is from Detroit. He’s an American, not an immigrant.
Goode doesn’t a majority of Muslims elected to Congress? I wasn’t aware any other Muslims were running or had been elected?
Goode believes Muslims come from the Middle East? Huh, no. Muslims are living all over the world, and there are millions of Muslims who were born and raised in the US.
Goode should apologize for his bigoted remarks!
December 21st, 2006 at 5:37 pmWhy are all the trolls projecting their GOP crap on to us today?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:38 pmF-T-USA
STFU, your keyboarding is crappy too.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:39 pmGeneral,
We still don’t know what you are talking about. How can you compare people who are against racism to Hitler? It makes no sense no matter how many times you post it under however many threads.
You are probably not a real General, but if you are, I am so very glad for our beloved Country, which promotes the freedom to practice the Religion of your personal choice, that you are retired.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:41 pmNasty Nas must be like 21
Comment by ForTruth — December 21, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
More like 15, if you ask me. Maybe even 12.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:42 pm“the political left who is more than willing to sell out all our cherished freedoms”
Like freedom of Religion, you hypocrite?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:43 pm#40 …
December 21st, 2006 at 5:45 pmI think you got distracted, or you have some other malady, when you wrote:
” Shows what is wrong with the political left
who is willing to sell out all our cherished freedoms for the sake of power and use deceit as a means to accomplish this end”.
Can’t quite tell your left from your right yet?
“Uh, I’m not gonna say yes or no on that. I’d like to know the exact number. I don’t have the exact numbers.â€
Attaboy, Gutless.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:47 pmNASY NAS IS DARYLL’S TEENAGE KID.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:48 pmWake-up call and a fantastic read
If the US and Iraq do go to war, there can only be one winner, can’t there? Maybe not. This summer, in a huge rehearsal of just such a conflict - and with retired Lieutenant General Paul Van Riper playing Saddam - the US lost. Julian Borger asks the former marine how he did it
December 21st, 2006 at 5:49 pmOH and by the way,
I would like Unbelievable to return. She had good political contributions. I stayed away from any personal fray.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:50 pmI think Goode forgot that he took an oath to uphold the Constitution. The First Amendment prohibits the abridging of freedom of religion, which means Muslim citizens have as much right to run for political office as anyone else. Or does Goode believe he’s better than anyone else and therefore has more rights?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:51 pmNasty, being an American is not based on a popularity contest. Duh! So, whether or not “most” Americans want Muslims is beside the point. Geeeeez… I get so tired of Repubs changing or ignoring commonly defined words so they can try to manipulate away from the basic truth.
It would be so easy to go into our recent American history and find where your ancestors were just as despised and not wanted. Probaly, because most Repubs, I have found, are incredibly weak in history, civics and critical thinking.
Some people look to Bill “Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution” O’Reilly for their source of what to “think”.
I tell you what, read our founding documents… The Constitution, the Bill of Rights and our Declaration of Indepencence… especially the list of greivences they had against (hehehe, you ready for this?) King George. They really aren’t that long. Read them for yourself and don’t rely on Fox news for your only source of information… I could lead to brain damage from underuse.
How many Christians are pulled off of planes for praying? How many Christians are profiled in airports? Don’t the Christians have fee speech? Own television stations? Have tax free income and invitations to Political Action Committes? How many Christians are being accused of supporting terrorism (other than the blather about Democrats somehow wanting the terrorists to win)?
Gee… you know. You are right! I should run right down to the nearest megachurch, interrupt their televised broadcast and apologize for keeping them down.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:54 pm#6
Why is the Left so touchy when it comes to Muslims. That’s the one group Left defends to the end. Did you guys ever think that maybe people on the Right attack Muslims tojust to laugh at seeing Leftists get bent out of shape.
Most Americans hate Muslims anyway. Get over it.
We just like defending whoever it is that the hate-mongering right is using for its latest scapegoat. So, when you guys are trying to target Blacks, Latinos, gays, Jews, women, the disabled, or whoever else you feel compelled to hate, we just have this insane urge to stand up and defend them. Isn’t that crazy?
If you were attacking Christians, instead of trying to use Christianity as a club to beat the rest of the world over the head with, as you are, we’d most likely be defending them from your attacks, too. Go figure.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:54 pmJudd,
Your site’s getting f*cked up by trolls.
You really should consider having us register. Just sayin’.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:55 pmIf you were attacking Christians, instead of trying to use Christianity as a club to beat the rest of the world over the head with, as you are, we’d most likely be defending them from your attacks, too. Go figure.
Comment by chimpeach
BINGO
December 21st, 2006 at 5:56 pmCome to think of it, we need to eradicate bugs, cuz Americans hate bugs anyway. We need the bugman.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:56 pmpolitical left who is more than willing to sell out all our cherished freedoms for the sake of power and use deceit as a means to accomplish this end.
Comment by joeslogic — December 21, 2006 @ 5:34 pm
Have you always had such a big projection problem?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:58 pmIf you were attacking Christians, instead of trying to use Christianity as a club to beat the rest of the world over the head with, as you are, we’d most likely be defending them from your attacks, too. Go figure.
Comment by chimpeach
Way too complicated and abstract for the trolls to understand.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:00 pm#25 Nasty Nas
Wow, you put a lot of thought into that post. What was that, 47 times you typed “Islam sucks!”? Is your little anti-Islam crusade starting to gather new recruits now? I don’t see how you could fail with such a compelling argument as that.
I was going to suggest that you write that catchy little slogan on your bedroom wall with your own feces, but I have a feeling that’s not a new idea for you.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:01 pmIt looks like the few trolls who used to come here and at least pretend to debate are mostly gone since the election. Exley shows up once in a while. Hendler passes through like a streaker embarassed by his body. I suppose we have Kevin, who at least goes to the trouble to throw up straw men to bat down. But the troll garbage marching through here these days is truly pathetic, and in many cases downright sickening. Many of them can’t even finish typing out a decent talking point in the midst of their racist war-mongering babble.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:05 pmWhat’s with the anti-Muslim paranoia as of late?
Occupational therapy for mental patients should not include access to a computer with an Internet connection.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:05 pmAnother idiot heard from, Rep. Robin Hayes [R-NC] allegedly said that bringing Christianity to Iraq is the only way to end the violence there.
http://www.rawstory.com/ news/ 2006/ Congressman_Everything_depends_on_bringing_Christianity_1221.html
Right, we launch an unprovoked war on a nation that can barely defend itself, bomb their infrastructure into rubble, disband their military, remove their government and then blame them when they have a power struggle. As if bombing a country into democracy was a sign of Christian good will. Go figure.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:06 pmThe General must go through a lot of Depends the way he keeps wetting himself.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:06 pm“If you were attacking Christians, instead of trying to use Christianity as a club to beat the rest of the world over the head with, as you are, we’d most likely be defending them from your attacks, too.”
Well put!
December 21st, 2006 at 6:06 pmGumperson, you demented bag of wind ~! Your USMC serial number, last duty station and citations. Now.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:06 pmOh, you don’t know how to make that shit up? Too bad.
When is Rep. Goode going to resign in shame? He needs to change his name to Bade!
December 21st, 2006 at 6:07 pmCan you spell R-A-C-I-S-T! This guy is not only racist, he isnt’ ashamed to come right our and say it without saying it. What is this “We have enough people of Middle Eastern heritage” here. Who died and made his A-hole the decider. Last time I checked W was the decider and he and the rest of us don’t have the extremist views that this moron and the voters in his district have.
The voters in his district apparently aren’t any better than this jerk is, they stink. They aren’t recalling this facist, extremist, so they bare the responsibility for his actions. Now I know why Sen George Allen is such a racist too. I had intended on moving to Virginia, but I’ve changed my mind. I wouldn’t allow my children to be a part of a southern trash State like Virginia. That’s is southern Virginia voters, show us how racist you all are by standing by his A-hole.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:10 pmWhat’s with the anti-Muslim paranoia as of late?
Oral Roberts University must be on Xmas break.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:10 pmReply to #25 Nasty Nas: You are apparently a complete idiot based on your comments. Your family probably aren’t originally from the United States and you have the guts to insult Islamic people. Timothy McVeigh killed over 200 people, doesn’t that make us all terrorists? The KKK, which you are probably a member, uses religion as a prop to spread their hatred too. It’s morons like you that should be kicked out of America for being so stupid.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:13 pmCome on, Gunny, reagin some self respect and tell us all about your last duty station, you phony baloney puffer!
December 21st, 2006 at 6:14 pm#62 ForTruth
Way too complicated and abstract for the trolls to understand.
That pretty well sums up life in the modern world for them.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:17 pm27 / Ummm, anyone can be a Muslim. Stopping immigration is not going to stop someone that is already here from converting. Since everyone in the United States has the potential (and freedom) to convert to Islam, just what is Goode afraid of again?
Comment by TheToonGuy — December 21, 2006 @ 5:25 pm
In fact I believe you only have to say
I’m a Muslim
I’m a Muslim
I’m a Muslim
3 times and your now a Muslim convert and cannot ever be converted back to whatever (Christian) without a Fatwah being placed on your head by Sharia Law
so be careful and also dont say betelgeuse 3 times either
Unfortunately a lot of Muslims like Christians dont believe in religion , I have turned many Muslims into Athiests after all they are just Human too
December 21st, 2006 at 6:19 pmSorry, but a sucker like Willie G. makes it hard to resist sharing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GmJjYB3mc
May the fire of hatred burn your soul.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:20 pm#66
What’s with the anti-Muslim paranoia as of late?
What remains of the right is in desperation mode: “Must find and persecute common enemy.”
I think it’s their plan to win back the Congress in ‘08, such as it is.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:20 pmWhy is it, Faux General, that you won’t tell us a little about your illustrious military career? Maybe that you don’t have one?
December 21st, 2006 at 6:21 pmNothing anyone can say will drag the trolls away from the fantasy land they inhabit. Might as well not bother responding to them and give them the attention they so pathetically crave.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:22 pmchimpeach - just a desperate plea to feel better about themselves by putting someone else down. The classic schoolyard bully syndrome.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:23 pmSad, and annoying.
Iraqi Fugitive Donated to Bush Campaigns
Iraq Slogger has learned that the ex-Iraqi government minister who is the subject of a nationwide manhunt in Iraq contributed to George W. Bush’s presidential campaigns before and after being appointed by U.S. authorities as Iraq’s minister of electricity.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:23 pmUh-oh, grandpa just soild his undies!
December 21st, 2006 at 6:27 pmThis old General still hasn`t forgotten how to shoot.his mouth off.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:32 pmThere are too many republicans in the United States.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:33 pmRUCerious,
The trolls is sad, annoying, and cluttering the threads with psychotic babble. You can add disturbing to that list too.
This person is obviously in need of mental assistance. The “Muslim threat” is only an excuse he uses as an outlet. Me thinks you are wasting your time trying to get a coherent response (how many screen names has he gone through between yesterday and today?). I can only hope his rants get deleted.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:34 pm#94
December 21st, 2006 at 6:35 pmYou still don’t scare me! Work on it!
Gregor - Sorry if my over-reaction to this creep is annoying.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:39 pmAs a former Army sergeant, it pisses me off when any troll “plays” general.
I was stationed at 3rd Armored HQ in Frankfort Germany under General Abrams, and had a lot of respect for the old coot.
I’ll cease and desist calling him out, since he obviously isn’t going to take the bait and get caught lying about what he isn’t.
I hope Pelosi will refuse to give Goode his seat next month.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:39 pm“…there are too many Republicans here now.â€
Now his point makes sense.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:49 pmCoyotee Noos Flash….
December 21st, 2006 at 6:50 pmA sales and marketing representative for the toy company which makes the
George W. Bush President and Naval Aviator Action Figure announced late today that it has been surreptitously testing a vocal micro-processor for the doll on several progressive weblogs over the past several days.
Said the sales rep: “It is demonstrably a huge sucess: it is foul, uninformed, totally devoid of factual reality…… we expect a last minute surge in holiday sales with the new “spewing George” feature.”
#109,
Hey, thanks for the tip. I’ll start running up my credit card right away. What great fun.
So, are “they” going to put us brown folks into concentration camps? I need to know because I have A.D.D. and can’t be relied upon to concentrate for more than just a few…hey, look, my shirt has buttons on it.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:50 pmAnybody recall “A Real American” on the post a couple of months ago, who also was “in the Military” but his MOS was “secret”???
December 21st, 2006 at 6:51 pm#110,
Which state? I need to know so that I don’t plan my annual suicide-bombing and rape-fest vacation there. Wouldn’t want to offend the locals of course.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:53 pmCoyotee - does it say
December 21st, 2006 at 6:54 pmDangeress Hyperthetikal?
That’s why Goode is on the “Avenging Angel’s List of Conservative Miscreants.”
December 21st, 2006 at 6:57 pm#114…..
December 21st, 2006 at 6:57 pmLMAO
The General: “My military career is confidential and is none of TPs business.
Let`s just say I didn`t work for the -regular- military.”
Now, come on! That’s funny!
December 21st, 2006 at 6:58 pmMost Americans hate Muslims anyway. Get over it.
Comment by Nasty Nas
Most Americans hate. Period. It’s what Americans do best.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:00 pmGregor - Sorry if my over-reaction to this creep is annoying.
Comment by RUCerious — December 21, 2006 @ 6:39 pm
No need to apologise. You are not annoying, he is.
All I was trying to say is that, if you have expectations of a coherent response, well -don’t hold your breath.
Better try to poke some fun at him. He is not useful for anything but comic relief. I mean, really, read his posts. Freud would have a field day with this guy.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:04 pmanyone who is against in group of people, whether it be their religion or ethnicity, is and idiot, end of story. after all the posts of hate from the trolls on this posts, and trying to reason with them, its like talking to a rock. they aren’t going to change cause they don’t have the ability, the stupidity is hard wired.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:04 pm#123,
What are “numnuts”? Is it anything like donuts? I like donuts.
So, the “CHURCH” already runs this country? I really didn’t think she was all that good of a singer but I didn’t know she was elected supreme commander.
Oh well, she couldn’t be any worse than Bush. Or fake retired generals for that matter. Send her on over so that we can engage in some “diplomatic” negotiations. Betcha 20 bucks I can get her bra off in less than 30 minutes.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:11 pmIn South Carolina, there is an expression used to salvage some dignity in comparison to the rest of the US - “Thank God for Alabama!” Now we also have “Thank God for Virginia!”
December 21st, 2006 at 7:18 pmGoode needs to be up on charges of overt bigotry and discrimination against another american citizen. He’s just another routine GOP dingbat who doesn’t have a clue about what he is saying. (he’s a jackass AND a buffoon!). What the hell is he talking about immigration as it refers to Ellison?? Ellison’s lineage probably dates back to even before that of dipshit Goode! Get a life, Goode - you continue to show your unbridled hatred, lack of intelligence, and amorality. You’re a disgrace to the office you hold and need to be impeached from it.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:18 pmEvery Christian I know voted Dem after they realized that Rove and Bush absolutely made total fools of them by patronizing them before the 04 election and laughing in their faces once they got in. I believe the Christians in this country now cannot align themselves with this “party of overt corruption (the GOP)” lest they themselves be considered hypocrites.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:20 pmMost Americans hate. Period. It’s what Americans do best.
Comment by not impressed with the U.S. —
Please don’t paint us with such a broad brush.
There are millions of us who are not narrow-minded, hate-filled bigots, xenophobs.
I personally like everyone, until they give me reason not to. But I would never then generalize and dislike an entire gender, race, etc.
Most posters here are really good people.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:20 pmGive us a chance.
anyone think the “General” might be Asswipe Vinaigrette, yesterday’s big threadjacker?
December 21st, 2006 at 7:21 pmTom Baker,
Absolutely, he’s the same. He has also used other screen names -mostly to cheer himself, and make it look like there are others who agree with his nonsense.
It would be truly sad, if it weren’t so annoying.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:27 pmForTruth calls him General Pippy Longstocking.
It’s great! Whenever he posts, I urge you to use it!
December 21st, 2006 at 7:29 pmWith the President of Iran promising the death of all Americans,Brits and Israelis. I think that there are way to many muslims in this nation. I have read the text books from the saudi academy in Va. I know what they say. I have been to dearbornistan and will be there this weekend. Islam is not a religion. It is a cult of death and violence. CVontinue to think that all cultures are fine and should be embraced. But this is naieve and dangerous. Europe is waking up. When will the leftists? There are NO womens or homosexual rights in islam. There is NO freedom in islam. Please read the koran and the hadiths. I implore everyone. Islam is the most evil ideology on this planet.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:36 pmWhen you feed trolls, they keep coming back for handouts.
Don’t feed the trolls.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:39 pm#138 Yolo,
You’re just jealous because we are getting better press than “christianity” right now. Of course, we aren’t killing as many people (by far) so I guess that helps.
It is lonely at the top but, hey, I guess that’s just our crescent to bear.
Allah akbar to you and yours.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:40 pmYolo: “It is a cult of death and violence.”
Interesting. You know, in christianity, you worship the symbol of a man being slowly tortured to death. Your dogma includes the idea of “drinking the blood” and “eating the body” of christ. Your history is filled with the glorification of martyrs who died gruesome deaths in service to your religion. Today, many of your numbers actively pray for a cataclysmic upheaval in which most of the world’s population is wiped out violently. So, referring to Islam as a cult of death and violence is the proverbial pot and kettle.
And, maybe you didn’t notice, but Iranians just rebuked their radical leader in elections. They do have elections in Iran, you know.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:47 pmRanger Jay, sorry. I was feeding the trolls quotations from our nation’s founders, but it didn’t seem to get through to them. Evidently these fine Americans have no respect for the views of our nation’s founders. I’ll stop soon.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:49 pmanyone think the “General†might be Asswipe Vinaigrette, yesterday’s big threadjacker?
Comment by tom baker
Absolutely.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:51 pmsad when the non-believers’ knowledge of the faith is greater than that of its adherents. i’d never have thought that many really dumb people would be into using computers for anything, let alone advertising the depth and breadth of their own ignorance.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:53 pmso, zooey, gregor. any hypotheses as to the source of all the super-wacky troll traffic? apparently, it even shames away the lightly coherent trolls like ex, and ma, and so on. not that i’m sad to see the whole species in decline, it just pricks my curiosity….
December 21st, 2006 at 7:56 pmI really don’t want to know what Fox has on anymore….it is all such a bunch of garbage. (opinion & pap…nothing more)
December 21st, 2006 at 7:57 pmAlright, I will try not to feed the trolls. I admit its just too fun sometimes.
“I’m not gonna say yes or no”
December 21st, 2006 at 7:58 pm#144 tom baker
the problem is the little bit they know is all they have been taught. it is likely how they were brought up, focusing only on one aspect and never learning or understanding, what i think, are the most important parts of the religion.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:58 pmOne more message for our gay lovers, General Cuntison and Wingballs. Since you are not moved by the words of our nation’s founders, maybe you could listen to Matthew: “And when you pray, be not like the hypocrites, who affect to pray standing in the assemblies, and at the corners of the streets, that men may observe them. Indeed, I say to you, they have received their reward. But you, when you would pray, retire to your closet; and having shut the door, pray to your Father; and your Father, to whom, though he is unseen himself, nothing is secret, will recompense you.â€
That’s it for me. I broke my own rules today and fed the feral pigs. As the ranger knows, if you don’t feed feral pigs, they’ll move on to another part of the forest.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:58 pmit just pricks my curiosity….
Comment by tom baker
Yeah, I get that a lot too, especially in the a.m.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:59 pmAsswipeVinagrette, thats actually funny.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:59 pmThere’s surely some hot Muslim women somewhere in the world. Why would you be afraid of them?
December 21st, 2006 at 8:02 pmYes, hating is such a Christ like way of life.
December 21st, 2006 at 8:04 pmFolks like this have no credibility except among other bigots.
I’m willing to bet that most of the Islamic growth in this country has more to do with the prison system than immigration, and I’d think those coming out of the prisons are more militant, but I could be wrong.
Why do we keep electing bigots? Oh right, the whole Christian nation thing.
December 21st, 2006 at 8:10 pmComment by Yolo
So when the christians were burning untold numbers of women to death a couple hundred years ago should the muslims have come and killed everyone to save them? Christianity acted like it was possed by the devil for a long time and THE PEOPLE from America to Napolean had to strangle the power out of their hands so it would stop. Islam has problems also. So what is your point devil? I say we act like modern human beings and take advantage of our intelligence and not just our weapons and a bunch of chest thumping bigotry.
Also I am not one to defend religious nuts and I am not going to defend his religious nuttyness here, however the president of Iran did NOT threaten to kill all Americans, Isrealis, etc. He was trying to say some how our empire would be broken like the USSR got broken and was left as mainly just Russia. Now that is not exactly going to be allowed either, but that fight does not require war… you try to make people think Iran thinks it has the balls to try to destroy America itself. Two different things.
December 21st, 2006 at 8:19 pmYou’re just jealous because we are getting better press than “christianity†right now. Of course, we aren’t killing as many people (by far) so I guess that helps
Well murder sells. Love does not. In 50 nations muslims are murdering christians and others everyday. What does the killing of Thais have to do with the US. Or how about the Phillipines? You know there is a massive rape movement in France and Norway. Mostlly by muslims. The grand mufti of Australia says that any uncovered women is just a peice of meat and muslim men are to weak to not eat. You my non friend are really sad. By the way muslims make up about 12% of the planet and the rest of the planet is getting fed up with your barbaric violence. God Bless Spain of 1492!!!!!
December 21st, 2006 at 8:20 pmCome on, Gunny, reagin some self respect and tell us all about your last duty station, you phony baloney puffer!
Comment by RUCerious — December 21, 2006 @ 6:14 pm
Sounds like he was attached to NinComPoop
December 21st, 2006 at 8:21 pmChristian Nation, blah, blah, blah.
Yep General Pippi Longstocking (that is so cool ForTruth) is a joke. He is the same cut and paste troll from yesterday. hahaha
December 21st, 2006 at 8:23 pmThe General can’t find the space bar, eh? hahahaha
December 21st, 2006 at 8:25 pmAlso I am not one to defend religious nuts and I am not going to defend his religious nuttyness here, however the president of Iran did NOT threaten to kill all Americans, Isrealis, etc. He
Um yes he did! Quote unquote. Hiding your head in the sand will not help. As far as what any group did hundreds of years ago. It really does not matter. What muslims do today,as in cutting the heads off of young children and then applaudong it. Well this is today and it must stop.
December 21st, 2006 at 8:33 pmso, zooey, gregor. any hypotheses as to the source of all the super-wacky troll traffic?
Comment by tom baker
My sense is that the trolling started to get worse with the blogger award voting.
December 21st, 2006 at 8:43 pmUm yes he did! Quote unquote
Comment by Yolo — December 21, 2006 @ 8:33 pm
Link please???
December 21st, 2006 at 8:43 pmComment by Yolo
Copy and paste the part where he said that. If you can I will agree with you. The translation I heard did not say that. And yes I agree everything from world wide child slavery to ethnic cleansing to censorship of the Internet to lots of other things must stop. But until GOD comes down and grants one of you as his representative on world wide TV for us all to see then you are just being a barbaric criminal just like the terrorists and should be stop… and since you are in OUR house… we got to clean up OUR house first….
December 21st, 2006 at 8:44 pmI live in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Keith Ellison represents me. I voted for him because I believe he is a good man and will do a great job. We met him at the convention. My wife and I met his brother on the plane back to the east coast after he won the primary. His brother is also a very good man. When people insult Keith Ellison the insult those of us that chose him to represent us. Minneapolis people are highly educated and cosmopolitan. We elect good leaders to do a good job in Washington. Those critics of Keith Ellison only display their ignorance when the criticize a man they know nothing about.
Andrew in Minneapolis
December 21st, 2006 at 8:52 pmI just heard this guy talk on the NBC news (tivo), and he is a HICK. OH my GOD, HOW DID he GET there. This is truly scary folks. What effing backwater Virginia swamp district voted this guy in. I mean he’s only about one and one-half family members away from inbreeding. Big Papa was right. He’s an in-bred al-cracker for sure.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:04 pmHe’s an in-bred al-cracker for sure.
Comment by ForTruth
If all the people in his district are crackas, he was a shoo-in.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:06 pm30 years ago, Private Longstockings didn’t know what Islam was. Back then he was saying the same thing, just substitute “Communist” for “Muslim”. The key thing is to find someone to fear and hate.
I’m sure the “General” checks under the bed after he says his nightly prayers, just to make sure no Muslim is waiting under there to spook him when he turns the light out.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:17 pmI’m pretty sure the “General” cashes his paycheck from the Repugs, and laughs his ass off at us.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:24 pmOne last thing for me on this thread. Virgil Goode is an ignorant Virginia cracker. It’s not just Muslims (who he doesn’t seem to recognize is not a separate ethnic group) that’s he ranting about. His issue with the diversity visas is that it allows non-Europeans into the country, i.e., non-whites. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if his ancestral family were small dirt farmers in the South who were too poor to even own a slave, but hated them because they thought they worked as hard as the slaves, but didn’t eat as well. Went really ballistic when slavery ended, because it was their only reason to think they were “superior” to them.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:29 pmThose critics of Keith Ellison only display their ignorance when the criticize a man they know nothing about.
Andrew in Minneapolis
Comment by Andrew — December 21, 2006 @ 8:52 pm
I agree Andrew. Goode and the morons here are the antithesis of what America stands for. They forget we are a nation built on the freedom FROM religion. They hate that this nation was populated by immigrants and, from the great diversity of race and culture, we became a world power. Sadly, these idiots want to destroy the very fabric of what made this nation great - tolerance of one and all. They’d prefer we separate into ‘Christianist’ and ‘Everyone Else’ and proceed to kill each other over irrational and unprovable religious dogma.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:33 pm#173
I’m pretty sure the “General†cashes his paycheck from the Repugs, and laughs his ass off at us.
Comment by Zooey — December 21, 2006 @ 9:24 pm
The RNC is outsourcing their internet posting jobs to India. The “general’s “real name is Sateesh who lives in Mumbai. He’s a Hindu who hates Muslims, too….so he’s perfect for the assignment.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:38 pmand since you are in OUR house… we got to clean up OUR house first….
Where is our house? There is only one race and one world. As for his remarks. Find them yourself. It is not hard to do and you will gain much more knowledge. I live and work in DC. I saw the last Sudan march. 50 people. Letists care nothing for the people that are being murdered there. Over two million Christians by arab muslims. Now it is black African muslims that the racist arabs are raping and murdering each day. There is no freedom in islam. The word means submission. Submit or die. A cult actually started by a woman. Just another fact that the people here do not know as apparently they do not read very much.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:43 pmTP I think you have a comment to delete. How about looking it over. You deleted me pretty quick today for talking about something less imflammatory.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:49 pmIronically Muslims hate Gays and women rights. Nice allies you guys have!
Comment by Nasty Nas — December 21, 2006 @ 9:36 pm
Actually, Nasty, you and Radical Fundie Muslims share those very traits. You both hate Gays. You both want Religious Wars based on your religious convictions. You both want Religious Leaders using the Holy Book (Quran for them - Bible for you) to supercede secular law. The only difference is you love pork chops and they love lamb.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:51 pmYolo,
So, will you admit that the United States is fighting a Holy War, Christians and Jews versus Muslims? Are you man enough to admit it? None of your fellow Crusaders will. They just keep spewing hate like yourself and never admit that they want an all out Holy War.
Actually the muslims of the world say this everyday. I do not need to. Of the less than 1 billion muslims on the planet. Over 500,000,000 can not read. This is why they are muslim. You see the only way someone stays a muslim is by fear and coercion. As for the western converts. Well if you look at their histories they have many mental issues. Just some more knowledge for ya. You know I personally wish this was not happening but the fact is that mulims murdered my best friend and I started studying islam 23 yrs ago. I know of what I speak. A weak simple cult that spread by fear and the sword. Islam was the true imperialist pwer as they just took and gave nothing. This is why they are such a weak backwards people. Except for the ones educated in the west. The very people they daily express a desire to destroy. Open Season!!! It will not take much. The world is awake now. Over 5 billion non mulims fed up with the barbaric ideals of a very weak minded people.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:07 pmMr. Goode , Jesus was a Middle Easterner. and don’t tell us that he was from Virginia..because nobody will believe you….
December 21st, 2006 at 10:09 pmWow, I will bet money that not one person, bashing Muslims on this string, knows a Muslim. I know many. Ignorant people are a problem from any religion. I suspect that the insurgents in Iraq have the same conversations I see here. They just substitute the word “Christian” where you have the work “Muslim.” Take a look at yourselves in the mirror. You are the problem.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:38 pmThanks Cecil
December 21st, 2006 at 10:47 pmRepublican Party = Hate and Bigotry
December 21st, 2006 at 10:52 pmHey thar Virgil, you reckon we cud get rid of them niggers too. After we run them thar injuns off “our” land…You deserve the one you elect. Now look in the mirror…
December 21st, 2006 at 11:17 pm#191 You betcha!
Even the Democrats don`t want you.Pretty sad.
the failure to use the spacebar (that’s where this poor puppy goes to get likkered up) gives it away.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:28 pmhuh… seeing virgil’s face, i see why these guys where the white masks…
hey, virgil, i think a negro-boy is looking at your daughter…
December 21st, 2006 at 11:29 pmThe general and pidgen are the same person. they are also a TP plant to rile up the natives. No one is that stupid. Right?
December 21st, 2006 at 11:33 pmHi, j. How’s it going?
December 21st, 2006 at 11:33 pmI get the feeling that the General is that assclown A Real American from a couple of months ago, this time not responding to our probes for fear of getting caught in his icky little web of BS.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:40 pmblake > what the hell is your problem?
December 21st, 2006 at 11:59 pmblake? Is that you? Robert, how’s the wife?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:02 am#205 - Crackas is crackas, General Pippy.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:15 amZooey:
Your buddy ‘j’ aka James Ri[ss]er is a banned troll.He is trolling under many names in his usual obnoxious manner.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:18 amI suspect he might also be ‘Wolf’, who made a deragatory statement about you.
It seems you have lost the Battle of Islam progressives.NOBODY wants them here to begin with and even more so now after Sept. 11.
Get a new poster child for your cause.Perhaps a downtrodden jew?
If no.Why not you biased bigoted sons of bitches.
December 22nd, 2006 at 4:08 amMaybe this country will get lucky and it will land on ThinkProgress- headquarters.
NASA unsure where shuttle will land
http://www.chron.com/ disp/ story.mpl/ ap/ nation/ 4420351.html
December 22nd, 2006 at 4:41 amIt’s interesting that the name ‘Goode’ or ‘Goody’ was also associated with the Salem Witch Trials…
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:02 amJeffrey Dahmer you seem to forget that progress means no looking back.Muslims or eskimos may be in charge but citizens, congress and lawyers won’t allow them to take us back to the middle ages.
No preaching of fear and armageddon please.Americans are mature enough to shape their own future.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:06 am“These are relatively peaceful muslims, in that they’re not openly beheading their opponents (yet). ”
After that assumption, there isn’t much reason to read the rest, is there?
(sigh)
“Jeffrey Dahmer”, take a deep breath, relax and stick your head back in the sand. Reality isn’t as bad as you imagine.
“Dearbornistan”? “it’s likely only going to be obtained by violence.”?
Calling for a Final Solution, are you? Nice!
Yet another member of “Fear and Smear” party.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:20 amThis guy still suffers the brain damage associated with inhaling too much swamp gas.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:56 amFor many in MN this whole national story about Ellison is just laughable. While a few rednecks here in MN have been vocal about Ellsion’s religion, it has been mostly no big deal. Watching the national story unfold on wacko cable news and on blogs is just kinda weird.
It makes me feel like MN should be part of Canada and not the U.S. I have nothing, nothing, nothing in common with Southerners. With Canadians it’s hockey, ice, and more tolerance than the U.S. in general. Sounds like Minnesota to me.
Minnesota should become South Manitoba.
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:05 amsven sven
cya traitor
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 am“but I am for restricting immigration so that we don’t have a majority of Muslims elected to the United States House of Representatives.â€
Does he believe “democracy” ought to be restricted by controlling those who are allowed to vote to the constituency he prefers?
Perhaps this is why there are so many prisoners in USA jails?
Perhaps this is why the Republicans want to restict latino immigration?
Perhaps this is why the US administration is for finger printing and “eye” recognition for visas and immigration?
Perhaps Bushco’s whole conspiracy theory that the USA is in great danger and must be defended, at all costs, till the last voter dangerous to their dictatorial control is diabolded out of sight or otherwise eliminated is because they believe that “democracy” ought to be restricted by controlling those who are allowed to vote to the constituency their preference?
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:37 amdoug, worse than that: He apparently thinks Democracy can be “enforced” via immigration.
Being ignorant as he is, he apparently doesn’t realize that many Muslins are (gasp!) born here and thus American Citizens.
Next Stop on his bus: Segregate based on Religion…
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 pmYou may not like it, but we DO have the freedom of speech in this country. And while you may disagree with this man and what he says, you should always be ready to defend his right to says it. If the people he represents don’t like him, they will not re-elect him.
BTW! # 62, please don’t come to Virginia.
While I was active duty, serving aboards submarines, my sister asked why I did it, After telling her, she asked about all the people who said and did things I disagreed with, and I told her, whether I agree, or disagree with their beliefs, I was always to defend to the death their right to say and believe what they want. (NO I am not talking about people who break laws, murder people and such, I am talking about beliefs, and free speech).
The same holds true now, and while you may disagree with every fiber of your being, you should also defend his right as an AMERICAN to speak freely.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:38 pmYour buddy ‘j’ aka James Ri[ss]er is a banned troll.He is trolling under many names in his usual obnoxious manner.
I know who he is. j may be obnoxious at times, but he’s not a troll.
I suspect he might also be ‘Wolf’, who made a deragatory statement about you.
Comment by Si Byl
No, I’m thinking that was that nasty troll vinnie. Maybe little birdie was vinnie, too?
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:37 pmVirgil has a point here. The trouble is it’s on the top of his white hood with eye holes cut in it.
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:02 pmWhen Muslins step up and criticize the death culture and wing of their religion, they will begin to be welcomed in the US. Until then, I don’t want to see their number increased. And, neither do the majority of Americans.
And, No. 62, stay out of Tennesse- we don’t want irrational people here.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:44 pm#171
When Muslins step up and criticize the death culture and wing of their religion, they will begin to be welcomed in the US. Until then, I don’t want to see their number increased. And, neither do the majority of Americans.
Plenty of them have stepped up and criticized the extremists. What do you want them to do? Write it in blood? And you don’t speak for the majority of Americans on this, so don’t pretend that you do.
And, No. 62, stay out of Tennesse- we don’t want irrational people here.
You appear to have overstayed your welcome, then.
December 22nd, 2006 at 5:29 pmAren’t you righties going to eat your own? He pussed out.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:06 pmJust learned something today:
The first mosque in the U.S. was built in Ross, North Dakota by middle eastern immigrant farmers.
Goode is a little slow in complaining since they immigrated over 100 years ago. But then again Southerners have always been known to be a bit slow.
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:52 pm#164: Minnesota should become South Manitoba.
I understand why you might feel that way, but we need the relative sanity of Minnesota (well, minus Norm Coleman) to counterbalance the wingnuttery of people like Goode.
December 22nd, 2006 at 11:06 pmThis despicable creep has to lose his job. I hope the voters of Virginia wake the hell up. Get the bigots out of Congress!
December 23rd, 2006 at 12:46 am“It makes me feel like MN should be part of Canada and not the U.S. I have nothing, nothing, nothing in common with Southerners. “
What an intriguing idea … I would love to be a part of Canada. I have felt less and less that I belong in the U.S. in the last five years. Let’s swap - the U.S. can get Quebec, (just to torture the South) and MN can go to Canada.
December 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 amMinnesotan, take heart as we Vermonters feel the same way. It’s ironic that Virginia home of “Founding Fathers” Washington, Jefferson, Madison;William & Mary and UVA etc., can send someone like Goode to Washington. It is “Southside” Virginia, however, NASCAR and Tobacco heaven, good “bible thumping” Christians all.
The U.S. House of Representatives’ first act of business should be to censure “Not so Goode” and send a message. Osama’s gotta love this guy. If ignorance is indeed bliss, Virgil’s one happy cracker.
December 23rd, 2006 at 9:40 amSometimes I like to tune in to a “You’re a Great American”network of like-minded thinkers( not mentioning any names– rhymes with Dawn Vanity) just to see what their up to. Barrack O’Bama should be aware that the character asassinators are out in full force. The script calls for the ignorant, stupid callers(I mean plantzz ) to call-in and ask Vanity if Barrack O’bama is a Muslim? Vanity, pretending to be as dumb like a Foxey newsman that he is, answers “I don’t know”. So they’re all hopping on the bash O’bama and any other O’sama, Saddam sounding name etc. This is their new mission. It is not hard to figure out these subliminal fools. All they got to do is put one tiny little bit of cheese out there for the masses and BAM! Got another one in the cheesy trap.
December 23rd, 2006 at 5:50 pm