Holocaust Memorial Passes Resolution Condemning Prager’s Remarks
Holocaust Memorial Passes Resolution Condemning Prager’s Remarks
Right-wing talk show host Dennis Prager raised a firestorm charging that Muslim Rep.-elect Keith Ellison (D-MN) must swear in using a Bible. He said that if Ellison swears in with a Koran, it would “undermin[e] American civilization” and be akin to swearing in with a copy of Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.”
In September, he was appointed by President Bush to a five-year term on the taxpayer-funded United States Holocaust Memorial Council.
Yesterday, the Executive Committee of the Holocaust Memorial Council adopted a resolution condemning Prager’s views as “antithetical to the mission of the Museum as an institution promoting tolerance.”
Resolution
WHEREAS, the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, the governing body of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, is charged with implementing the mission of the Museum as a living memorial to the victims of the Holocaust devoted to teaching the lessons of the Holocaust for the benefit of all mankind; and
WHEREAS, Dennis Prager, a member of the Council, has recently publicly expressed and disseminated certain statements which have been widely interpreted as being intolerant;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that the Executive Committee of the United States Holocaust Memorial Council, while recognizing that Dennis Prager has the right to express his personal views freely, disassociates itself from Mr. Prager’s statements as being antithetical to the mission of the Museum as an institution promoting tolerance and respect for all peoples regardless of their race, religion or ethnicity.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations released a statement saying, “Now that the Holocaust Memorial Council has stated that Mr. Prager’s views are in direct opposition to the mission of that institution, we call on him to do the right thing and resign.”
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Good for them.
Now let’s hear from all the lowlife trolls like 20wordsofhate. Let’s hear their semantic gymnastics about how Prager wasn’t really promoting intolerance, he was just promoting Bible sales.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:10 pmThank goodness.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:19 pmBetween Prager, Hayes, and Goode, these guys are really putting on quite the show. I wonder if Limbaugh, Hannity, and Coulter are recoiling in horror, not at their comments, but at the amount of spinning they will have to do to somehow make these guy’s comments out to be a good thing. I suspect the fallout from their ridiculous statements to generate a lot more stories on TP in the next day or so.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:25 pmPraeger should resign.
I am glad to see this.
Another good job done, Bush.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:28 pmPrager is going to help us all dust off that old Constitution and have a re-cap.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:32 pmPssssssssst, Praeger….Xenophobia is not in anymore. You may share that amongst your fear conniseurs.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:32 pmI am very happy that the Holocaust Memorial Council saw Prager’s remarks for what they are: Bigoted, intolerant, and a flat out insult to the memories of those killed during the Holocaust.
It was the hatemongering “Good Germans” (the Pragers of their day) who were instrumental in the implementation of the “Final Solution” that almost wiped out the entire European Jewish population.
Prager’s remarks are absolutely incompatible with the lessons learned from WWII, and ever since then.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:32 pmGood for the Holocaust Museum Council. Good for the Council on American-Islamic Relations as well. American Muslims need not be scared to stand up politically.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:33 pmWhat in the hell is an idiot like Prager doing there in the first place? The GOP must think pushing these fringe nutcases to the podium makes their hate more palatable.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:34 pmwow!! that is great news. quite brave of them to do so…
December 21st, 2006 at 10:36 pmPrager was the one who started this show,and now Goode is in the play. I wish Republican party will do the same and call Goode to apologize. Also Democrats did not come to the defense of their newly elected Congressman…? Where is Pelosi?..why doesn’t she say something?
December 21st, 2006 at 10:38 pmYes he must resign and good riddence to him and his bigotry too!
December 21st, 2006 at 10:39 pmnasty,
well, i don’t want to give it away, but we are in contract negotiations for the new year. i have an offer from hezzbollah, but, the islamic republic of iraq gives dental….
thanks for asking…
December 21st, 2006 at 10:42 pmIntollerant GOPers in the Congress, and in appointed positions nationwide, must be forced to resign their positions starting with President Bush, then VP Cheney, then all the rest of them like Prager!
December 21st, 2006 at 10:46 pmLOL Nasty Nas > Rosie is NOT an elected official you dumb fool! Any elected person, or appointed person to a political position, must resign if they spew intollerant crap like Prager!
December 21st, 2006 at 10:51 pmnasty,
if you could have the nice lady in the white dress read this to you:
you will at least hear that the Resolution does not take away prager’s right to say stupid things…
thanks for being you…
December 21st, 2006 at 10:53 pmComment by Nasty Nas — December 21, 2006 @ 10:46 pm
Maybe TP should institute a ban on posters who are obviously under 16 years old, or the emotional equivalent (e.g. an unemployed 25 year old high school dropout living in his parent’s basement).
December 21st, 2006 at 10:55 pmWhatever floats your dumb boat Nasty Nas > lol.
December 21st, 2006 at 10:56 pmSo, exactly how many of the hate filled anti-muslim trolls here have read Mein Kampf?
December 21st, 2006 at 10:58 pmDennis Prager is right. We stand for Freedom not freedom to preach intollerance. An the fact that it would be an issue is proof that it is a real problem. Progressive Thinkers would never think to consider that the “Mein Kampf.†example is really quite accurate. Islam is all about intollerance. Good point Dennis I have to admit you are right.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:00 pmNast: This man is a law maker,and on taxpayer pay..he supposed to be the protector of the Constitution…Rosie is in the show business, it is a foolish to compare the two…Rosie always makes these remarks seeking a laugh..this man is serious..and in violation of the Constitution by suggesting that he fears from more Moslems getting elected….while the law allows anybody to be elected as long he qualifies and people elect him.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:06 pmUh, tarazan, Prager was appointed to a council.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:25 pmNot elected, not a lawmaker, just a jerk.
Unless of course you’re referring to Jerko Goode…
I think all congresspersons should be required to swear in using “The Bartender’s Bible”.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:25 pm#29 I’ll double down on that! Neat.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:29 pm#29 Dan
How about a roll of toilet paper? would symolize all the crap they have to clean up
December 21st, 2006 at 11:30 pmLol Nasty Nas or is it ass? Nobody cares what filth you spew on here, so fling all the crap you want at me.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:31 pmComment by tarazan — December 21, 2006 @ 10:38 pm
Maybe she doesn’t play the Republican dog-and-pony show.
And quite frankly, I don’t think anybody alive could possibly respond every time a Republican issues a bigoted or hateful or slanderous or stupid statement. There’s just too many of them.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:37 pmPrager hasn’t had the decency to resign?
December 21st, 2006 at 11:39 pmIslam is all about intollerance. Good point Dennis I have to admit you are right.
joeslogic is even more ignorant and bigoted than I realized. What a creep.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:39 pmThe reason Bush appointed Prager is because this is the way Republicans are and this is the way they talk. It is all very natural to them and they don’t understand what all the fuss is about. I’m sure that Bush will say, “You’re doing a heck of a job, Prager,” and then demand that all the members of the Executive Committee of the Holocaust Memorial Council resign.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:40 pmZ - Decency?> The last decent C Prager got was in pre-algebra. Been downhill ever since.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:41 pmPlease note that Mr. Prager is a Bush Appointee. Bush could fire him.
****crickets chirping****
December 21st, 2006 at 11:43 pmZooey > is Karl Rove scraping the crud from under the refrigerators for trolls like Nasty? Really vicious trolls on here lately > lol.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:44 pm“ferr speach”? That is so twisted…
December 21st, 2006 at 11:45 pmJay, perhaps McCain’s new communications director is already at work…
December 21st, 2006 at 11:47 pmhi, z,
say, some silly troll was on here and saying i was flooding the threads last night or some nonsense… it wasn’t me…i don’t do that. i can barely get through as it is….
December 21st, 2006 at 11:48 pmGood one, RUCerious. Yeah, I meant to set that up for you. Heh. :)
Jay, don’t remind me.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:50 pmI know it wasn’t you, j.
I think it’s resolved now.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:51 pmFaire that could be possible?! I believe since TP won that blog contest recently, that Rove has decided to slam this site with trolls, but he needs to find more intelligent ones > please!
December 21st, 2006 at 11:52 pmHey Cuba is only 90 miles away.
Comment by Nasty Nas
Yeah, f*ck you Nas. I just got out.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:54 pmNasty Ass > your mother said it is way past your bedtime, almost midnight, so nite nite little boy!
December 21st, 2006 at 11:56 pmJay,
All this shit started up about the time the voting was going on for the blogger awards.
December 21st, 2006 at 11:57 pmwell, that’s good… i think it was one of the hermaphrodites characters–sybil–or something who actually cited my name and said i admitted something…
//a moment of advanced troll theory///
i am beginning to think there are a very small handful of trolls here and i can’t understand why tp can’t figure it out:
the IRI/vinnie leaves marks that are easily figured out
the vet/general/ sub-category that may possibly be the same
the hermaphrodie/sybil has very similar characteristics
December 21st, 2006 at 11:58 pmJay R -
December 21st, 2006 at 11:59 pmbut he needs to find more intelligent ones > please!
Fat chance. Oxymoron if ever there was 1.
against free speach!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:00 amJay - as I was saying…
Jesum Xmas Christo!
for example, this nasty is IRI/vinnie/whatever … i can tell. why can’t they?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:01 amHitlerian speech is intollerance Nasty > learn the difference!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:02 amComment by Jay Randal — December 21, 2006 @ 11:52 pm
The challenge is finding intelligent people with sufficiently low standards. Yes, they exist, but most want more than the Federal Minimum Wage.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:02 amComment by Nasty Nas — December 21, 2006 @ 11:59 pm
So who do you want STDs from?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:05 amj, I could be completely wrong about this, but I think “little birdie” has a very focused intent on a single commenter here, and he was caught up in being protective of some of the other commenters. I’m hoping this is resolved now.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:05 amNorm > yes it’s actually a few GOP trolls using multiple screennames and they get different paid shifts on TP threads. When we uncover one, then they switch to another name.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 amBnF,
that beast malkin linked to a wsj editorial about bloggers that quite nasty…i could see karl’s rodent-like snout proof-reading it…
i think they will continue to marginalize blogs through the msm outlets that they own, and, if need be, they will simply claim national security and shut those sites that they don’t like before the 2008 convention…
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 amSo who do you want STDs from?
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
You always gotta be so quick? Damn…
Heh.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:07 amfor example, this nasty is IRI/vinnie/whatever … i can tell. why can’t they?
Comment by norm go to hell norm
I was thinking this one might be vinnie. He’s stupid enough.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:08 amFaire > Nasty wants STDs from his lover boy Bush > lol.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:08 amalright, now i am completely confused… perhaps you can send an email or something that will let me in on what is going on…
///
ahmadinejad has not called for the extermination of the jews! god, i am getting so sick of hearing that old one… now, there is a man that needs a p.r. firm in the worst way…
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:10 amLast I checked, Ahmadinejad is Iran’s hard-line leader. And Iranians are beginning to reject his stance.
I have no particular care for Ahmadinejad, but Bush is by far the greater terrorist on the international stage.
And if my fellow Americans say things that are bigoted, hateful, and/or slanderous, I will speak out, as is my right to do so.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:12 amNasty > stop twisting things! Nobody defends hate speech toward minorities on here, so cut the crap!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:13 amz,
yes, this one is as you describe… now we see that…i mean if they can find some people and block them, what is the deal with these three or four others??? something seems odd….
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 amNope, I’m just tired of the Left’s hypocrisy at attacking statements by fellow Americans
Statements like this?
“Iran, Libya, North Korea, Cuba, Nicaragua — continents away, tens of thousands of miles apart, but the same goals and objectives. I submit to you that the growth in terrorism in recent years results from the increasing involvement of these states in terrorism in every region of the world. This is terrorism that is part of a pattern, the work of a confederation of terrorist states. Most of the terrorists who are kidnapping and murdering American citizens and attacking American installations are being trained, financed, and directly or indirectly controlled by a core group of radical and totalitarian governments — a new, international version of Murder, Incorporated. And all of these states are united by one simple criminal phenomenon — their fanatical hatred of the United States, our people, our way of life, our international stature.”
And thirty-nine days later, the same brave anti-terrorist was selling weapons to the terrorists.
Your party comes to the terrorism debate with bloody hands.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 amDeath to Islam!
Comment by Nasty Nas
Now I’m pissed off.
*eyes rolling*
I think we did this little dance yesterday, Nasty — if that’s your real name.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:15 amwhat about Rep. John Dingell praising Hizbaalh. Why no condemnation of that?
Comment by Nasty Nas — December 22, 2006 @ 12:06 am
I would really like to see a link to Dingell’s “praise” for Hezbollah.
I also would like to know if you actually have an opinion about the Holocaust Memorial Council dissociating themselves from Prager’s remarks -you know, the topic of the thread?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:15 am62 - got a quote with a citation?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 amDeath to Islam!
Comment by Nasty Nas — December 22, 2006 @ 12:10 am
::rolling my eyes::
How old are you? Twelve? Do you really think we haven’t noticed you are the same name-switching troll?
Talk about a seriously immature person… ssheesshh…
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:18 amNasty a real Democrat? Wow that is NOT possible > lol.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:18 amFrom under what f-cking rock did this gastropod crawl?!?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 amyou know, the right-wing really does have NOTHING… look at this site.
if i was a conservative and i saw the level of troll here, i think i would be ashamed and correct the left’s image of this sick group of turd-rolling knuckle draggers we collect in here. take exley and jmh out of here and is there a single one of them that can even carry on a conversation???
i mean for christ’s sake they all can’t be this frigging sub-moronic, can they?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:20 amWhat’s your opinion about the Holocaust denial conference in Iran?
Comment by Nasty Nas — December 22, 2006 @ 12:18 am
My opinion is that, as kooky as they seem, they still make a whole lot more sense than you. You, sir, really take the cake.
Now, let’s talk about the Holocaust Memorial Council…
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:24 am#81 Jay Randal
It could be a Dixie-crat … there are a few of those left
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:24 amthey all can’t be this frigging sub-moronic, can they?
Comment by norm go to hell norm — December 22, 2006 @ 12:20 am
Apparently they can and they are… at least those who visit ThinkProgress. And they are not ashamed of making it public either.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:26 ami mean if they can find some people and block them, what is the deal with these three or four others??? something seems odd….
Comment by norm go to hell norm
My thoughts exactly. They’re not paying enough attention to getting rid of the idiots who are ruining this site.
There’s a disgusting comment made directly to me on another thread this evening, and I wrote Judd immediately asking that it be removed. It’s been hours and hours, and it’s still there. For all I know the one from yesterday is still there, too. It really can’t be that hard to block them. Afterall, it’s not like they haven’t banned some commenters, right?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:26 amAshenShard > Nasty needs to join the GOP badly, if he actually is not a GOPer aleady.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:27 amNasty Nas, Rosie is a comic, so that mocking stuff tends to come with the territory.
Former Republican Senator Al D’amato mocked Judge Ito in a worse way….
Learn to differentiate between an actor or a comic and a political leader, OK.
-GSD
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:28 amZooey > TP can block them if they want, but Judd seems to tolerate them till they get vicious like Seixon did or IRI, but perhaps they just change to another Internet Provider Service and a new screenname.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:30 amYou can’t condemn a Holocaust denying conference.
I rest my case.
Comment by Nasty Nas — December 22, 2006 @ 12:26 am
I knew i was dealing with a mentally deficient person, I didn’t realise how deep your deficiency runs.
I said: “As kooky as they are, they still make more sense than you”.
In other words -they’re nuts but you are even more nuts. And barely literate to boot.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:34 amJay,
Maybe you haven’t seen the comments I’m referring to. They’re pretty vicious, violent and sexual in nature.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:34 amZooey > is Karl Rove scraping the crud from under the refrigerators for trolls like Nasty? Really vicious trolls on here lately > lol.
Comment by Jay Randal — December 21, 2006 @ 11:44 pm
Yes, the trolls have been viscious, vile, and very creepy lately. It seems likely that a few people posting under multiple identities are responsible for much of it. I don’t attribute this development to any recent action by high level GOP operatives such as Rove. That, I think is the problem: a lack of leadership for the trolls to follow. Rove has largely gone underground after the elections to nurse his wounds and plan ahead. I suspect that many of the paid operatives were idled following the election. What we are seeing here are merely appendages remaining from the organism built by GOP operatives. There is no longer any brain to direct these appendages, so they are just flopping around now involuntarily, like a snake does after its head has been chopped off. It is turning into quite a freak show.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:35 amComment by Nasty Nas
Stupid is as stupid does.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:35 amLOL Nasty so you want me stoned to death huh? Wow stuff like that is what some Muslims do that you say you hate, so hypocrisy rules you!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:37 amCome on Alberto Gonzalez use the law shut this Commie-Nazi-Islamic site down!
Comment by Mike Jones
I hope you’re being sarcastic, because if you’re not, you’re really dumb.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:40 amPost 97 VerbalKint > what you say is highly plausible that some of Karl Rove’s trolls have been cut loose from the Borg Hive and are trying to wing it on their own now.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:42 amIt is turning into quite a freak show.
Comment by VerbalKint — December 22, 2006 @ 12:35 am
You can say that again. I also suspect it’s a just a handful of halfwits who are posting under different screen names. They rants are getting rather creepy and disturbing.
Take Nasty Nas here. This is the third (at least) moniker this epsilon-minus has used in the last few days.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:45 amNasty has gone off his rocker in post 106 > a freak show for real!
Zooey > I did not see those vile posts attacking you, but insist to Judd to take action against those who posted them!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:45 amI agree that the site moderators have been far too lenient, or simply uninvolved, in monitoring the threads. The creep who just posted had already presented a clear case for a permanent ban by midday. And yet here he is, just spewing his vomit all over the place.
I do think it is telling that inappropriate sexual references are the stock in trade for some of these frustrated little creeps. I imagine that some sort of sexual self-loathing is a root cause of the behavior.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:46 amPost I referred to by Nasty just got deleted.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:47 amPost I referred to by Nasty just got deleted.
Comment by Jay Randal — December 22, 2006 @ 12:47 am
Yeah, even as we were both formulating comments about it. But it was there when it should never have seen the light of day at this site.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:50 amMike Jones > the FBI most likely will be visiting your house, because you just called for murdering a TV host > shame on you!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:51 amThat’s cool. I just finished sending Judd back-to-back messages containing the nastiness directed at me over the last two days, and look who’s gone.
Thanks, Judd!!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:51 amjay,
believe me for i know from first-hand experience that tp could handle these four or five people quite easily. the hermaphrodite/sybil troll is easy to pinpoint, as is this IRI/vinnie/nasty/mikejones troll…
further, it is not worth the time and aggravation and software nonsense it takes to break through from a ban… these people can’t even form a proper sentence, and i doubt if they were banned they would even realize it…they might just sit there and type to themselves for christ’s sake.
tp ought to force registration to avoid the outrages i have seen directed at some good people here… this is getting out of hand. if that means people like me will never get accounts, fine; but, they have to do something. every night it is this crap!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:53 amComment by Mike Jones — December 22, 2006 @ 12:46 am
And here comes another parody of a human being.
Mike, you and your goose-stepping jackboots aren’t scaring anyone here. We aren’t bedwetters, like you.
QUICK, MIKE! CHECK UNDER THE BED! I HEARD SOMETHING UNDER THERE!
Never mind, just another false alarm.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:54 amI sent my email with screenshots of the ridiculous comments here!
Comment by Mike Jones — December 22, 2006 @ 12:46 am
::rolling my eyes::
Another braindead troll threatening with emailing screenshots to the FBI.
Yeah, Mike, we are all shaking in our shoes. You could have just sent the URL, you know. As if the FBI is not aware of it yet. Duh.
Does your mommy threaten you with calling the police when you misbehave?
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 amI agree with you norm > threads get gummed up by these trolls nightly!
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:56 amOh, Mike, there is one more thing your Mom asked me to remind you about before bedtime: make sure the plastic sheet is securely fitted to the mattress this time.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:58 amNorm,
I agree, this is ridiculous. I do not understand why the site administrators have to let things get this far. Specially because I know people’s posts have been deleted for transgressions that are nothing compared to what these vile trolls put up here. Others have been banned for lesser faults too.
Go figure.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:00 amFunny you should mention that. Republican David Duke was a guest speaker. Should I address the fact that a Republican is aligning himself with Iran?
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:05 ammr kafka,
well, i have to give them *some* credit because they have made significant improvements over some rather silly things they did this summer such as ban an entire university’s ip so that about 6,000 students couldn’t post if they wanted, and they have made it harder.
but, for christ’s sake, they have georgetown there! grab a student, slap a neck-tie on their ass, call them a research-assistant, give them ten dollars an hour and have them watch what is going on here!
whatever…
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:07 amOh man, I’m shaking here. Mike is sending screen shots to the FBI.
Like a troll used that one before.
Mike, you don’t have to live your life in fear. You just choose to do so.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:07 amRep. John Dingell, D-Mich., for example, recently said, “I don’t take sides for or against Hezbollah or for or against Israel.â€
Comment by troublemaker — December 22, 2006 @ 1:06 am
Now explain how not taking sides pro or con is tantamount to a praise.
Provide a link to Dingell actually praising Hezbollah.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:10 amtroublemaker,
i was waiting for someone to post that nonsense. this statement is lifted from a longer reply that dingell gave. this is a standard trick of you right-wingers…
*yawn*
if anyone is wondering, this is what really happened. some knuckle-dragger posted the misquote on powerline and/or redstate, some other knuckle-dragger wrote an editorial in the Washinton Times and then it was corrected the next day:
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:12 am…all them a research-assistant, give them ten dollars an hour and have them watch what is going on here!
whatever…
Comment by norm go to hell norm
Um, I need a part-time job… :)
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:12 amZooey > Mike ran for the door when I told him the FBI would come after him. He slipped up when he said he wanted Olbermann murdered. That is the kind of thing the FBI is interested in > not common bantering on here about Bush or the GOP.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:15 amz,
can you wear a neck-tie and look sort of like a republican lawyer?
///check the bio pictures of these people// :)
errr…..i could use ten an hour too
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:16 amYeah for 10 bucks an hour I might hang on here, but not working for the GOP or Rove!
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:18 amMike et al. I’d say get a life, but it appears you have several going at once.
Don’t you realize the NSA has been monitoring this site for years? They’ve got a dossier on all of us, yourself included.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:19 amHey Nutty koolaid drinking Nasshole:
First off the swearing in doesn’t use a bible, Quran, or Bush’s favorite, Dr Suess Green Eggs and Ham. They gather around am podium en-mass raise their right hands and swear to uphold the c-o-n-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n. Remeber that “piece of paper” as your Jim Jones furor calls it!
Preamble:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Article II
Section 1. Before he (President) enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation:–”I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Section 4. The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.
Section 3. is the most important. The Bush families dealings with the Bin Ladens for 30 years as business partners and guests on vacation. Osama Bin Laden (our enemy) perpetraits 9/11 and is directly involved. The Bush administration allows the Bin Laden family to fly out of Florida and Texas to Saudi Arabia. You question the people of this group regarding a man (Prager) that wants to only use this persons religion as a wedge of hate, but you don’t question the Bush administration for allowing the Bin Laden family to fly out of the country after that family involved or not may be complicit in the attack against American citizens. Go f**k yourself!
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:21 amjay,
speaking of that issue, jay, you know about the white powder that a certain conservative columnist’s acolyte/panty-sniffer sent to olbermann and others? i was waiting to hear if the newest envelope that showed up at the ap in new york was traced to someone in that crowd as well????
this certain columnist is all over some nonsense about the ap lying about a reporter that witnessed the burning of six sunnis… anyway, she is not doing well with her inquisition of the ap and i bet there may be a connection again, as there was the first time…
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:21 amNorm,
The trolls need to update their talking points.
The John Dingell “controversy” was already debunked here at ThinkProgress back in August. Here.
Poor pathetic trolls. Running on empty. So sad.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:22 amZooey,
I was going to say something about paying you 10/hour, but I don’t want to get banned….
;-)
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:23 amcan you wear a neck-tie and look sort of like a republican lawyer?
Comment by norm go to hell norm
Oy. No. I’m frickin’ done with the law — even looking like one of them.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:24 amBut if I could do the job from home in my jammies, I’d be happy. :)
I was going to say something about paying you 10/hour, but I don’t want to get banned….
;-)
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Then it’s good you didn’t say anything…..like I said, I’m done with the law. :-)
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:26 am**eyes rolling**
Sounds interesting norm > is the person you refer to Ann Coulter?
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:27 ammr kafka,
ahhhh, yes…. well, that was just post-lebanon when the ban began and i didn’t come around here… i might have remembered it had i been here that night.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:28 amComment by Zooey — December 22, 2006 @ 1:24 am
I’m not going to say a thing…….
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:28 amVery refreshing in here when the GOPer trolls are not bothering everyone.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:29 ami might have remembered it had i been here that night.
Comment by norm go to hell norm
Our own banned member…
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 amjay,
no, the story is here http://tinyurl.com/yk94eo but it was big news in nyc when it happened…. and you know about her and the ap nonsense?
well, ap got an envelope earlier this week—-in their nyc office. i hope someone out there are ‘connecting the dots’…
hey, nsa, if you are reading this—-can you check that for me? kthanx
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 amI’m not going to say a thing…….
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Yep, keep not-talking, kilt-man. Heh.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:35 amjay,
huh!
i remembered it as just being the dark-haired blood-drinking succubus not the blonde one too!!
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:36 amNorm,
Yes, what Dingell was trying to say is that the US needs to have all options open in order to become a peace broker in the Middle East. But these room temperature IQ trolls have a knee jerk reaction to anything remotely having to do with Islam, or Muslims. Hence their wanton distortion of what Dingell said.
Like with Prager. This man’s comments are so undeniably bigoted, even the Holocaust Memorial Council had to distance themselves from his opinion about the swear-in ceremony. What do these “conservatives” do? Go on the attack an smear Ellison for being Muslim.
It’s nothing short of insane.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:38 amoh, z and jay and mr kafka,
you have to see this piece of north korean propoganda i found today… it is quite good and is a catchy little tune!
http://tinyurl.com/yxjwe2
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:45 amThanks for the link to the article norm. Yes the flamethrowers like Coulter ignite others to do crazy stuff.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:45 amTime for me to go to bed > take care all and thanks for the nice chat.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:48 amWhen Zwahari or Bin Laden threaten to destroy the US, the response from the Islamic community is deafening silence.
On the other hand, if an American worries about a lack of loyalty by the Islamic community, the Muslims suddenly come to life and start complaining that he is an “Islamophobe.”
Perhaps if they were half as concerned about Al-Qaeda as they are about loyal Americans, we might believe that they actually care about America. Trust in the Islamic community is pretty close to zero, and for good reason.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:51 amj, I’ll look at it tomorrow, I’m about to turn into a pumpkin.
Patrick Henry, Give it a f*cking rest. You’ve got nothing new, so piss off.
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:59 amoh, do you mean you never hear this, mr henry???
from rep. ellison, earlier today on cnn:
yes, i guess you NEVER hear that sort of thing, do you?
you people make me sick…
December 22nd, 2006 at 1:59 amRight on, j! Goodnight!
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:01 amz,
goodnight… i forgot you have d/u so it would take a while anyway.
peace.
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:01 amLike I said, he was responding to Goode’s comments.
Yesterday, Al-Qaeda threatened the US again. Where was Ellison’s response to Zwahari? Where was his outrage at the perversion of Islam? Did CAIR call a press conference to denounce Zwahari like they did about Goode?
Perhaps you should learn to think and debate, rather than get sick?
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:07 amNorm,
Thanks for the link. That piece of N Korean propaganda was interesting.
Mr. Henry,
That talking point is so old and stale, I can’t believe anyone is still using it. The Muslim community in the US has condemned the terrorist attacks already, give it up.
It is far more telling you try hard to ignore what the Muslim community has said and question the patriotism of Americans who happen to profess a different religion.
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:08 amPrager is nothing but a Zionist pig.
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:11 ammr henry,
debating you silly racist extremists is getting to be as enjoyable as snapping my testicles in a mouse-trap… you are all dullards, simpletons, unimaginative, hateful cretins… you all deserve each other. move to virginia and get on your knees in front of your hero and suck your heart out, you swine.
go to the cair site and see what they say… search ellison and see what he says if you are so damn curious! but you don’t want to look because you are too cowardly to face what you might find.
you sub-moronic knuckle-dragging racists can all go fcuk yourselves. enough!
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:26 amMr. Norm,
I took your suggestion and went to the CAIR site and I see all three editorials on the front page complaining about Goode and Prager. I see no mention of Zwahari or Al-Qaeda.
Did you bother to look there? Anyway, thanks for proving my point.
By the way, you come across as being very rude and currently incapable of intelligent discourse.
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:39 ammr henry,
you have proved my point: you hate-filled extremists couldn’t find your way out of a paper bag unless a progressive showed you where the hole is…
http://cair.com/FatwaJuly2005.pdf
this is a blanket condemnation of all forms of terrorism and the taking of civilian life, located on the cair site. you probably missed the word on the left side of the page that says ‘terrorism’ didn’t you, you silly silly hateful man…
December 22nd, 2006 at 2:58 amMr. Norm,
If you had actually read my posts thoughtfully, you would know that I was referring to the events of yesterday and today, and Ellison’s and CAIR’s editorial responses to those events. Great enthusiasm for attacking Goode and Prager. No mention of Zwahari’s specific threats against America this week. All three current CAIR editorials are directed against loyal Americans, and not one word about Muslim organizations which intend to nuke our cities.
You are discussing the four mealy mouthed archived statements from CAIR going back to 2002 - all implying that the terrorist’s political cause may be just, but their methods are flawed. There have been over 7,000 acts of terrorism in the name of Islam since 2002. CAIR only seems to know about two of them. Polls show that the majority of Middle eastern Muslims support suicide attacks on the US, and 100,000 British Muslims are generally supportive of the July 7 bombers.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:19 amI see no mention of Zwahari or Al-Qaeda.
Did you bother to look there? Anyway, thanks for proving my point.
Comment by Patrick Henry — December 22, 2006 @ 2:39 am
Are you really obtuse and arrogant enough to think CAIR should talk about the subjects you believe important? Sadder yet is that you only looked at the first page, and didn’t bother to go further -talk about intellectual laziness.
Muslim communities in the US, around the world have already denounced AlQaeda, terrorism. CAIR has also done as much. I cannot believe you are asking to be spoon-fed these answers instead of doing your homework. But I guess that’s what Islamophobes like you do: Close their eyes, cover their ears and go “I can’t hear you… la la la la la…”.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:21 amMaybe at some point the trolls will learn their idiocy will NOT give them the gift below the belt that God denied them
And any time Prager gets smacked around by a Holocaust remembrance group is an irony of the most enjoyable kind
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:49 amNorm.aka. James Ri[ss]er-you’re a banned troll.
You’re a good one to talk about ANYBODY being banned.
You may be able to fool z.,but you don’t fool me-you are obnoxious.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:53 amReligious tolerance is a hallmark of any civilized society but maniacs are found everywhere with politics being no exception to the infestation.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
December 22nd, 2006 at 4:16 amMaybe this country will get lucky and it will land on ThinkProgress- headquarters.
NASA unsure where shuttle will land
http://www.chron.com/ disp/ story.mpl/ ap/ nation/ 4420351.html
December 22nd, 2006 at 4:40 amFirst, let me get this out of the way: A very large number of members of the muslim religion DO want to take over the world. They want their law in place and enforced by government agencies. If you don’t believe that, feel free to stick your head back in the sand.
Now, Always on Watch has outlined one way they’re doing that in England. They are instituing Sharia law. They ARE forcing their religion on everyone else. But they’re not stopping there. FrontPage Magazine and The Washington Post highlight an area of Maryland where Muslims are gathering. These are relatively peaceful muslims, in that they’re not openly beheading their opponents (yet). Instead, they’re trying to work within the American system to take it over. And yes, they’re working with Democrats.
The problem is that their system of law is simply not permitted in this country under the Constitution that formed this country– or is it? Now, they, with the aid of terrorists in CAIR, are trying to claim anything that prevents them from instituting their law in America is a supression of their religion, which they claim under the First Amendment. So we have a rather unique situation.
The First Amendment to the US Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Therefore, based on that text, muslims claim they are free to exercise their religion. And their religion requires them to “behead those that insult Islam.†In addition, there are dozens and dozens of laws that need to be enforced by government, in order for them to exercise their religion.
However, this conflicts with Article IV, Section 4:
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
Well, they simply overcome that idea by having “elections.†You know Saddam was “elected,†don’t you? That’s where Democrats and Republicans are moving with Gerrymandering, and the muslims are moving right along with them. Both the muslims and the Democrats agree that if the majority vote for no freedom, then you get no freedom. After all, there is no higher power in their minds than government.
So, what’s to stop Maryland and Dearbornistan from insituting Sharia law if they simply vote it in?
Well, there used to be Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution that defines the powers of Congress, but we tossed that out decades ago. Under current interpretations, the U.S. Congress’ power is literally unlimited.
The 19th Amendment to the Constitution (Women’s Suffrage) will certainly give them some trouble. They won’t like that one at all. It will slow them down, but then again, the majority of women vote Democrat anyway. Perhaps they’ll just have a majority vote and decide that voting shall be limited to muslims. They’ll say that’s not “establishing†a religion and the newly renamed AMCLU will support them.
How about the 10th Amendment?
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Oh right. That 1864 conflict made sure that one doesn’t really count any more.
Maybe the 8th Amendment might help ensure that Sharia law doesn’t gain a foothold in the US
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
No, it’s up to the courts (and judges appointed by Democrats and muslims) — they can decide beheading with a dull knife is not “excessive.â€
How about the 5th Amendment?
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
If the Grand Jury is made up of muslims, they’ll ensure Sharia laws of death are upheld. And we’ve already completely thrown out the last phrase in that Amendment anyway. Since we’re already ignoring some parts of the Constitution, it should be pretty easy to ignore more, right?
How about the second?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Wait, that one was erased by court decisions decades ago, wasn’t it? Don’t believe me? Walk armed into New York City and see how far you get.
Maybe the first amendment could help?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
No, again, they’ll just claim that they’re NOT using religion as a basis for their laws. Or heck, they might even admit they’re basing new laws on Sharia law, but they can just claim it’s not an “establishment.â€
Do you see what’s going on here? Based on current events, muslims are trying to take over the world a little at a time. Some are using violence, but some are trying with peaceful means. If they can join together in one area and have “elections,†there will be nothing to stop them from forcing their will on everyone else in the area.
But you know what? There’s nothing in the Constitution that actually can stop them. Go back and read that sentence again. Do you fully understand that? They can, and are, working to use the current government system in America to force you to submit to their religion.
So where did we get the idea that America should be the land of the free? For that, one has to go back to the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
If you’ve never read the Declaration, or haven’t recently, please do read that excerpt above again.
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. None of those concepts exist with muslims in charge. And those are supposed to be unalienable rights. No one should be able to take those away. But the muslims will.
all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
That’s so accurate. The VAST majority of people will choose to just adapt. Why not join in Dhimmitude? It’s easy to do. It’s a whole lot easier than fighting. After all, if you don’t join them, you might be beheaded in front of your family. Just pay a little more in taxes, you won’t miss it. It’s only a few dollars a week - this time.
We are currently losing this battle for America. It’s going to take a huge, bold act like the one that created that Declaration to obtain freedom once again. And as happened so many years ago, it’s likely only going to be obtained by violence.
December 22nd, 2006 at 5:11 amIt’s funny you all talk about Praeger as a nutcase. He’s far more mild than someone like Michael Savage or Rhandi Rhodes. Besides all he asked for was that the Bible be present, not that he swears on the Bible. Of course I wouldn’t expect that any of you listen to him since Liberals are generally very close minded.
December 22nd, 2006 at 6:26 amGood for the Council for caliing it like it is. I think the question should be not if Prager will resign but if Bush will withdraw the appointment of him.
December 22nd, 2006 at 6:58 amBesides all he asked for was that the Bible be present, not that he swears on the Bible.
Comment by Blake
You should read the article he wrote himself again. He said that no one should be allowed to use anything but the bible while being sworn into office. Quite different than what you claim “all he asked for”. Too bad he didn’t say which bible. But I guess he’s open-minded enough to allow different versions of the bible to be used. What a guy…he truly upholds American values.
December 22nd, 2006 at 7:10 am#1 Verbalkissass
I don’t know what Dennis Prager’s motives were in writing that column. Perhaps he felt that our nations traditions were threatened… I don’t know.
What I do know is that he is in error about the swearing in ceremonies, and should publicly apologize for his actions.
December 22nd, 2006 at 7:47 am1 Patriot = 1 Idiot
December 22nd, 2006 at 7:57 am1 Religious Patriot = 1 Sectarian Idiot
Religious Creed = Fear
Christianity = Islam = Scientology = 90% lies+belief+lack of reason
CAIR’s web site is very telling. Zwahari threatened to destroy the US this week. No mention of that on the site, but three current editorials complaining about Prager and Goode.
Apparently threats against the US by other Muslims don’t seem to bother them nearly as much as loyal Americans who want to protect the United States.
Unbelievable that CAIR could have not commented about Zwahari’s remarks, but most here have become numb to this duplicity.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:21 am#151
Way to catorgorize everything that you don’t understand. You’re no different than those whom you condemn.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:27 amPrager should resign.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:29 amCAIR does not stand for beligerance, religious sectarianism and terrorism.If you support the contrary, you are misquoting CAIR.
Zawahri IS a terrorist leader and he wishes the complete destruction of the US just like Ahmadinejad wishes the complete anhiliation of the jews.CAIR disassociates itself from any kind of terrorist activities.To comment Zawahri’s words means promoting terrorism.
It’s very simple.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:33 am20WOL, i’m not condemning anybody.I’m just saying religion and patriotism has never produced anything positive but blind belief, death, murder, destruction, domination and repression.
It’s just a personal opinion.You don’t have to agree my friend.But you will in the future….
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:39 amHe said that if Ellison swears in with a Koran, it would “undermin[e] American civilization†and be akin to swearing in with a copy of Hitler’s “Mein Kampf.â€
Well, that’s the dumbest thing I’ve read so far this morning (not including, of course, troll comments) but the day is still very young and Goode hasn’t said anything else yet.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:12 amIn the spirit of tolerance and rememberance they should build an Iraq Wing at the Holocaust Museum for the 600,000 dead and the untold millions of lives torn apart at the hands of a lunatic!
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:27 am#156
Religion and patriotism in America has produced far more good than we can account for.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:28 am#158,
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:31 amQueek,
It could be called the George W. Bush Library.
It could be called the George W. Bush Library.
Comment by dlet
**rimshot**
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:33 am:)
Prager’s a demented bigot! He needs to be put off the air.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:38 amBesides, what is this second rate talk show host commenting on the procedures of the Congress? How dare him assume he holds the level of respect to even make commentary on the procedures of congress?? He’s a jackass extraordinaire.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:39 amAnyone else wondering where today’s ThinkFast is?
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 amThe idea of an Iraq Wing in the Holocaust Museum sounds quite apropos to respect the 600,000 innocent victims of this illegal war and demented regime.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:40 amAnyone else wondering where today’s ThinkFast is?
Comment by trueblue
YES!!
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:52 amThe Think Fast person is on vacation today. Heh.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:52 amThis is the last thread we get for a week, so lets trash it. Just kidding.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:53 amReligion and patriotism in America has produced far more good than we can account for.
Comment by 20wordsorless
That explains the inability to actually account for it.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:54 am#160
One would think if he were so insignificant, he would simply be dismissed.
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:56 am#165 - I think that’s already been done ForTruth
December 22nd, 2006 at 9:57 amMr. Goode is nothing but a racist bigot,who cannot tolerate one elected Moslem congressman in the Congress from another state,who won the election in the same manner that Goode himself got his seat. Using immigration nonsense letter is just a cover, because the Congressman is not an immigrant,and the percentage of Middle Eastern immigrants are minimal compared to other groups. Goode, as usual, playing the fear factor that the Congressman has a different religion than his….his intolerance is obvious. Republicans should distance themselves from people like Goode who uses KKK language.
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:01 amThe Devil wears Prager.
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:14 am“Great job Prager.” Gweat Waco Bushiter
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:17 amIt could be called the George W. Bush Library.
Comment by dlet
Excellent dlet!
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:32 amIf Mitt Romney is elected President, will he be sworn in with his hand on the Bible or the Book of Mormon?
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:48 amThat explains the inability to actually account for it.
Comment by ForTruth
Do I really need to list all the hospitals that were founded by religious people in order for you to get it? How about all of the charities and missions that have fed and clothed so many throughout the world? Who are the first people to respond and give when there’ s a crisis or a disaster? It is Americans. Of all the giving that America does, do you know which group is reponsible for most of it? Religious people.
I must admit that I don’t fully understand why some say patriotism is bad.
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:54 amAre they saying that they have no pride of country and no loyalty to it? Are they implying that those who do are only producing bad things?
Amazing how much hatred, intolerance and bigotry here is spouted here in the name of tolerance. Do you guys ever read what you are writing? Many of you come across as being incredibly intolerant. Are you afraid of Christians and Republicans? Do you think the airport security personnel are worried about Mormons or Catholics blowing up planes?
I’m also at a complete loss to understand how a strong editorial against Zwahari would be in “support of terrorism.” Looking at the CAIR page it is easy to get the impression that they feel more threatened by people wanting to protect America, than those who want to nuke Manhattan.
December 22nd, 2006 at 10:58 am#173
My guess is that he wouldn’t use either. Using the Bible is not required, and not all Presidents used one when the took the oath of office. It’s also not required for them to say ” So help me God.”
I don’t believe Mitt Romney would challenge America’s customs and traditions by introducing the book of mormon and creating a controversy.
December 22nd, 2006 at 11:07 am