Lynne Cheney: Putting Scooter Libby On Trial ‘Does Not Reflect Well On Our Judicial System’
Lynne Cheney: Putting Scooter Libby On Trial ‘Does Not Reflect Well On Our Judicial System’
Scooter Libby, the former Chief of Staff for Vice President Cheney, has been charged with “obstruction of justice, lying to the FBI and committing perjury before a grand jury.” His trial is scheduled to start in January. Libby’s lawyers plan “to call Cheney as a witness.”
Today on Fox News, Lynne Cheney, the wife of the Vice President, described Libby as “a man who spent a great deal of his life as a dedicated public servant who’s done an awful lot of good.” Ms. Cheney said putting Libby on trial “does not reflect well on our judicial system.” Watch it:
Transcript:
WALLACE: I’m going to ask you a question. You can answer it or not answer it. Given the fact that it now turns out that Libby wasn’t the one who first leaked the name of Valerie Plame, the CIA officer, what do you think of the fact that he’s the only person who is being tried?
CHENEY: It seems bizarre to me.
WALLACE: In what way?
CHENEY: Well, that’s — I did answer your question.
WALLACE: I’m surprised you answered it that much.
CHENEY: Let’s just stop there. I think it’s bizarre.
WALLACE: That he’s the only one that’s being tried?
CHENEY: I think we’re seeing an instance of a man who spent a great deal of his life as a dedicated public servant,o who’s done an awful lot of good in a situation that does not reflect well on our judicial system.
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Right, Lynne. The federal courts should absolutely turn down cases in which the FBI brings charges. Dirty activist judges.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:10 amMy goodness. The peasants are revolting!
Next thing you know they will want that silly bill of rights taken seriously or something.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:10 amIt is a total waste of taxpayers money Fitzgerald knew it was Armistance days after the artical went out. The whole thing is an attempt to trap someone into not remembering to mention something so as to accuse them of telling a lie.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:13 amThat’s funny, because I was just thinking the other day that Lynne Cheney writing books does not reflect well on the literary community.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:13 amHahahahaha. Oh wait… you weren’t joking? Obstructing justice into the investigation of a leak “Doesn’t reflect well on our judicary?” Well, maybe after the new year when Congress, with Democratic subpeona powers, starts holding hearings we will see how the judicary system in our country holds up! I am really looking forward to questions more substantial than whether or not a person had sex with someone.
Is there any particular reason Ms. Cheney and Ms. Bush are disintergrating before our eyes? Don’t get me wrong, they have been riding on the coat tails of their husbands’ hatred and manipulation for many years, so it is possible they are now so stridently trying to preserve (yeah, right!) their legacies.
Let the party begin!
December 24th, 2006 at 11:13 amThe peasants are revolting!
Comment by Alan
The peasants have always been revolting — they’re rebelling!
–Saw that on a movie, no idea the name of it. :)
December 24th, 2006 at 11:14 amHaving these neo-Nazis in office does not reflect well on our nation.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:14 amWhy do the activist judges America?
December 24th, 2006 at 11:15 amWhy the hell is anyone asking that cow questions anyway?
December 24th, 2006 at 11:16 amLittle Lynnie is so funny! This little battle-axe probably creamed her jean over the Clinton impeachment but Libby’s conviction is “bizarre”. Hilarious!
As her personal hero, Tricky-Dicky Nixon, demonstrated –> it’s not the crime; it’s the cover-up.
All that aside, it was so good to see the anti-Christ’s wifey on TV this morning. It does my heart good to see her twisting in the wind. What a bitch!
December 24th, 2006 at 11:18 amUS CONCENTRATION CAMPS – IN WYOMING!
FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE MEXICANS, BUT I WAS NOT MEXICAN, SO I DID NOT SPEAK OUT.
NEXT THEY CAME FOR THE DRAFT DODGERS, BUT I WAS TOO OLD TO BE DRAFTED, SO I DID NOT SPEAK OUT.
THEN THEY CAME FOR ME.
If the linked photos and maps are accurate, odds are these dude ranch owners are within 20 miles of it…and they’ll know the deal if so.
People who herd cattle for a living know everything about all the land around them. Trust the old timers.
Silke Simon Bucking S Ranch Hanna, WY 82327
google it.
The location shown below (north facility) resides in a north/south
running stretch of river valley with irrigated hay pastures on either side.
View the area adjacent to the Pathfinder Reservior and the Seminoe
Reservoir IN CENTRAL WYOMING SOUTH OF CASPER on Google Earth / Google Maps relative to the larger Wyoming map found here:
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/1607403/posts
December 24th, 2006 at 11:19 amMrs. Dick, why does your daughter hate America and Jesus and democracy?
-The Good Christian Folks who are upset at Mary’s immaculate conception
December 24th, 2006 at 11:19 amIt may be a total waste of taxpayers money, but after all that has been wasted, I think this is worth it. Like bread crumbs… this will blaze the trail to much more interesting things. It is amazing that it was just forgetfulness on Libby’s part… no one else seemed to be forgetful. Nah, I think if he goes to jail it won’t be a waste.
I am one of the few who will gladly admit that I want payback. I cannot believe that from 1992 until 2000 the Repubs thought that they could get away with all that they did and there not be payback. That gave them the courage to grow meaner and nastier. So, when people say that, “This is just payback!” I chuckle, rub my hands together and say, “You betcha!”
I was thinking that we could do a Constitutional Amendment to have two swearing ins. One for the President and across town, one for the Special Prosecutor that will try to remove the President chosen by the American people. Pay back!
Now let’s see what we can do with chairmanships and that neat little thing called a subpoena…. oh, and let’s get all those oil company execs who didn’t have to bother being sworn in the last time. Hehehe.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:21 amWell Lynne, how about we put your criminal husband Dick on trial for war crimes in Iraq and for corruption inside America?
December 24th, 2006 at 11:22 amTom…Scooter hasn’t been convicted…yet. I mean, in my opinion, he’s probably guilty, but we shouldn’t jump the gun until he’s had his day in court, something the right-wing never did with Clinton.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:24 amI can hardly wait for her opinion when Big Dick goes on trial. Ha Ha!
December 24th, 2006 at 11:25 amThat story about Halliburton acquiring the asbestos liabilities of Dresser Industries raises an interesting point…
Cheney KNEW that Dresser had the most massive liability issue on planet earth (he had to have known) yet decided to pay good money to bring Dresser’s problems under Halliburton’s tent.
This raises the question…who were the largest shareholders of Dresser – in need of a lifeboat to save their own personal bacon? Anyone named Bush? Anyone named Carlyle?
The deal went like this:
Cheney agrees for Halliburton to take on the Dresser asbestos liability.
It is determined that Bush and Cheney will be (s)elected, and that the PNAC plan will be implemented – using 9/11 as the essential pretext.
Ken Lay plays his role using his Enron smoke and mirrors tactics to create a faux energy crisis in California, causing the public to demand an energy-savvy administration be elected.
With the asbestos liability and other matters hanging in the balance, the election of 2000 simply had to be rigged in order for the plan to go in to effect.
Following the appointment of Bush and Cheney, the secret energy planning meeting established which oil companies would reap the rewards of the pending invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran.
The timing and the pretext were predetermined, and 9/11 was greenlighted for 9/11/2001. Cheney outsourced the implementation to Mossad, and ran the show from his bunker on D Day under the cover of preplanned drills simulating the exact attack that was proscribed, with NORAD as coconspirator. At least 50 administration officials and countless foreign agents were in on it.
Once the entire charade was concluded, the Administration generally, and Cheney specifically, had every reason in the world to blame Iraq.
The Afghanistan mission could not provide Halliburton with enough revenue to offset the massive asbestos liability claim. Iraq and Iran are essential wars in order to provide cover for the infusion of the billion of TAX DOLLARS necessary to both profit Halliburton for its actual work AND cover the massive asbestos liability claims.
Now you know why Halliburton was awarded the contracts without the need to bid for them. This was all prearranged.
NOTE: Private enterprise pushed its legal/financial obligations onto tax payers using war as the excuse.
The asbestos liability claims of Dresser Industries were ultimately paid by you and me, and our troops in the field, all to ensure that the investors in Dresser didn’t take the multibillion dollar loss.
Just one piece of a very large chessboard.
Hang them for TREASON.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:25 amOnce again we see that joeslogic has no connection whatsoever to actual logic. It is possible for different parties to reveal information in different ways, one legal and the other illegal. It is obvious that Cheney’s office was deliberately outing an undercover CIA agent purely as retribution (and joeslogic, don’t bother trying to claim Plame was not undercover), and then tried to cover it up by lying to a federal prosecutor, which happens to be a crime. joeslogic, I know your reading comprehension skills are woefully underdeveloped, but please read Fitzgerald’s indictment against Libby. It is clearly written, and very compelling. Libby’s “I forgot” defense of his repeated bald-faced lies to Fitzgerald shows just how weak his legal defense is. But don’t worry, joeslogic, justice will be circumvented when Bush pardons Libby.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:28 amFunny that Lynne Cheney wears red clothing wherever she goes? Red represents a harlot and Lynne has always been a vile political whore!
December 24th, 2006 at 11:29 amFor nearly two decades now, Lynne Cheney has been a leading proponent of a Soviet-style State-directed rewriting of U.S. history. She, like her husband, is truly a bad person, someone who aspires to establish a totalitarian dictatorship.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:31 amThe Actions of David Addington, John Yoo, and Alberto Gonzales, do?
December 24th, 2006 at 11:33 amI know this is off-topic, but in answer to your question:
Comment by ace — December 24, 2006 @ 11:25 am
From the Wikipedia article:
Future United States president George H. W. Bush worked for the company in several positions after the war, from 1948-1951, before he founded Zapata Corporation. His father, Prescott Bush, had been a W. A. Harriman and Company executive who had been involved in the conversion of Dresser to a public company, and he served on the board of directors for twenty-two years.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:35 amFunny that Lynne Cheney wears red clothing wherever she goes? Red represents a harlot and Lynne has always been a vile political whore!
Comment by Jay Randal — December 24, 2006 @ 11:29 am
I think red in this case symbolizes Cheney’s admiration for the Soviet regime and their huge propaganda apparatus, which the Republicans are now reproducing here in the United States.
Were joeslogic a Soviet citizen back in the heyday of Pravda, he no doubt would belong to the 10% or so that actually believed the rubbish written there.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:36 amWhen asked what shall we do with him, Lynne replied: “We can give him a ’scooter’ to ride around the block’…
December 24th, 2006 at 11:36 amLynne Cheney is one helluva deluded loon. It really quite laughable how she portrays herself thinking that people take her seriously. Well perhaps the 15 – 20% core Cheney/Bush wackos do.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:42 amCan anyone find any source showing Ms. Cheney speaking out against the impeachment of Bill Clinton, as the charge of lieing to a Grand Jury had nothing to do with the Whitewater Investigation.
Or surely she spoke against the prosecution and conviction of Martha Stewart for lying to investigators regarding her sale of stock? No?
Can anyone explain how that is not a double standard?
December 24th, 2006 at 11:42 amWhat it reflects is that nobody is above, or below the law. Of course from the Cheney clan’s viewpoint, this could be seen as a bad thing.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:46 amHere is some fantastic reading from my favorite Grokkamister of the journalism world. Pretty comprehensive. Enjoy:
December 24th, 2006 at 11:46 amhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/jay-rosen/the-retreat-from-empirici_b_36772.html
http://www.judicialwatch.org/5791.shtml
(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that the Department of the Army, per order of U.S. District Court Judge Ricardo M. Urbina, has released to Judicial Watch approximately 100 pages of documents which detail the multi-billion dollar, no-bid contract awarded in 2003 by the Army to Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR), a subsidiary of Halliburton Co. One document uncovered by Judicial Watch suggests a contradiction within the United States Army Corp of Engineers (USACE) with respect to the involvement of the Vice President’s office in awarding the contract.
In an email dated April 22, 2003, Carol Sanders of the USACE, writes, “Mr. Robert Andersen, Chief Counsel, USACE, participated in a 60 Minutes interview today in New York regarding the sole source award of the oil response contract to Kellogg, Brown and Root….Mr. Andersen…was able to make many of the points we had planned.†Sanders subsequently provided sound bites from the interview, including, “There was no contact whatsoever (with the VP office).â€
This directly contradicts another email uncovered by Judicial Watch in 2004. The email, dated March 5, 2003, sent by an official of the Army Corps of Engineers whose name was redacted, stated, “We anticipate no issue [with the KBR deal] since the action has been coordinated w VP’s office.â€
The newly released documents also prove the Department of the Army abused the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) process by improperly invoking exemptions. One document, for example, includes a frank admission by an Army Corps of Engineer official: “I am copying you on this crap since I honestly believe the competitive procurement will never happen.†The Army attempted to withhold this embarrassing document even though no appropriate exemption applied. It took the intervention of a federal district judge to force the Army to release the document.
“These new documents raise questions about the involvement of the Vice President’s office in the controversial KBR deal. One has to wonder whether the Army was being forthright about the issue,†said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.
Noting Vice President Cheney’s prior relationship to Halliburton, Judicial Watch filed its FOIA request to obtain documents pertaining to the lucrative no-bid contract. The vice president’s associations with Halliburton “raise concerns about the appearance of a conflict of interest or favoritism,†Judicial Watch argued, “particularly since the contract was awarded to KBR without a bidding process and because the contract was not announced to the public until after it was approved.â€
December 24th, 2006 at 11:49 amThis company truly has a guardian angel: former Halliburton CEO and now Vice President Dick Cheney who looks out for its interests from the White House. The result? $8 billion in contracts “rebuilding†Iraq in 2004.
CEO: David J. Lesar
Military contracts 2005: $5.8 billion
Oil and gas-related contributions in the 2004 election cycle: $221,249*
The biggest windfall in the invasion of Iraq has most certainly gone to the oil services and logistics company Halliburton . The company, which was formerly run by Vice President Dick Cheney, had revenue of over $8 billion in contracts in Iraq in 2003 alone. And while Halliburton ’s dealings in Iraq have been dogged everywhere by scandal – including now a criminal investigation into overcharging by Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root for gas shipped into Iraq – Vice President Cheney manages to be doing quite well from the deal. He owns $433,000 unexercised Halliburton stock options worth more than $10 million dollars.
But Halliburton ’s history of benefiting from government largesse goes back a ways. From 1962 to 1972 the Pentagon paid the company tens of millions of dollars to work in South Vietnam, where they built roads, landing strips, harbors, and military bases from the demilitarized zone to the Mekong Delta. The company was one of the main contractors hired to construct the Diego Garcia air base in the Indian Ocean, according to Pentagon military histories.
In the early 1990s the company was awarded the job to study and then implement the privatization of routine army functions under then-secretary of defense Dick Cheney. When Cheney quit his Pentagon job, he landed the job of Halliburton ’s CEO, bringing with him his trusted deputy David Gribbin. The two substantially increased Halliburton ’s government business until they quit in 2000, once Cheney was elected vice president. This included a $2.2 billion bill for a Brown and Root contract to support US soldiers in Operation Just Endeavor in the Balkans.
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And of course – it was KBR who built this CONCENTRATION CAMP in Cheney’s home state of Wyoming:
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-bloggers/1607403/posts
December 24th, 2006 at 11:54 amSomeone throw a bucket of water on this witch.
-GSD
December 24th, 2006 at 11:55 amYou know your loved when you need controlled airspace over your vacation home.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:58 amMrs. Cheney,
Put a sock in it, you old bag of bones!
Your dumbass on TV “doesn’t reflect well on our society“.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:00 pmGSD, I’ll have to admit you definitely had some of the best lines of the year. My favorite is the one regarding the Port deal, what was it , No emirates left behind? Anybody else having any GSD favs. Good luck next year I can’t wait to read more of your wonderfully distilled zingers. Ciao.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:13 pmTo put this line of crap in perspective,
December 24th, 2006 at 12:15 pmall you have to do is look in the lower
left corner of the picture.
If it says Fox on it . . . turn it off, treat it like
the Dick does his hunting buddies and then
soak with gasoline and apply lit match.
I see. Being charged with “obstruction of justice, lying to the FBI and committing perjury before a grand jury.†does not reflect well on our judicial system.
Only when it affects the Cheneys and their entourage… La Cheney would have been screaming bloody murder had a Democratic operative being charged of same.
How soon can we get rid of these people?
And why on earth is today’s a parade day for conservatives on all the talk shows? Did they not hear of the results of the November 7 elections?
December 24th, 2006 at 12:16 pmLynne,pretending your heterosexual does not reflect well on our reality system. We all know it, so say it loud and drop the shroud. Your a tad less butch than Mary and Heather anyway….
December 24th, 2006 at 12:21 pmThe men folk sending out da womens to do the dirty work. Lynn “Eva braun” Cheney is as crazy as her Nazi husband, hopefully they will find another FOX to go to….a foxhole that is.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:22 pmGSD, I’ll have to admit you definitely had some of the best lines of the year.
Comment by the fly-man
I agree. GSD and RUCerious.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:33 pmhe’s been a public servant for years, so let’s just cut him a break, eh? definitely not! public figures have to be held to the same standards (I’d even say higher) as the rest of us… the fact that he was a person with power and is now facing the law means the system worked, you dolt… go back to your trigger-happy hubby…
December 24th, 2006 at 12:35 pmLynne Cheney’s commentary about obstructing justice “not reflecting well on our country”….says it all! Obviously, she doesn’t believe in justice with a statement like that. Lynne Cheney needs to keep her big mouth closed and allow our criminal justice system do it’s work as it is designed to do. All she is doing with her ridiculously anti-american/anti-democratic statement is drag the already-besmerched and sinking GOP down a peg further! Hey, Lynnie-gal…ever hear about “loose lips sinking ships”?? You’ve just done your party a tremendous disservice by going public with such ridiculously inane statements! When they lose in 08, they can thank you along with the burgeoning list of affiliated characters who have further besmerched the rep of the GOP.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:35 pmGuess Darth & Dumbya know that people are throwing tomatoes at their television screens when their ugly mugs come on so they are sending out their “softer side” (yeah, soft in the noggin!) to do their dirty work. All it serves to do is to “dirty the women” along with the filth they keep company with.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:36 pmAnd, dear Lynne, what is your husband going to do about perjuring himself, or telling the court that it was HE who called the dogs on Ms Plame???
December 24th, 2006 at 12:38 pm# 34. the fly man:
I must say I enjoy GSD’s work as well.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:42 pmHe also posts often over at ex. CIA. Larry Johnson’s blog called ‘No Quarter’.
I agree. GSD and RUCerious.
Comment by Juan C
And Badmoodman.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:45 pmJuan C. Thank you, thank you.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:46 pmI please to try.
FOX News is the whore of the right and Lynn Cheney continues to show us just how dim witted she is. The right has no use for facts. They only get in the way of propaganda.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:46 pmDon’t shout “Bush” in a crowded quagmire…
Remember back in the old days in 1990s, when that on-the-job Congressional GOP decided that they even had to even investigate the finances of Socks, Clinton’s cat? The millions of our taxpaper dollars wasted by the GOP spent investigate the Whitewater real estate deals of the Clintons, which just lost money, anyway… What goes round, comes round…
Lots of luck to our fascist GOPsters in the coming new year, what with the coming investigations into 9-11 treason and other interesting topics…
A 2007 New Year’s Resolution: Hang ‘em high for 9-11 treason.
Merry Christmas, Happy Holy-days and have a Bright New Year.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:47 pmZooey, my regards, Wayne was right, the veal is extraordinary tonight, and may I suggest the orange muscat with dessert?
December 24th, 2006 at 12:47 pmAnd for my last act of the night, I’m going to assemble the electronic drum set for my 3 3/4 year old daughter…There’s going to be a Christmas morning racket at Amber’s house!!!
December 24th, 2006 at 12:50 pm…may I suggest the orange muscat with dessert?
Comment by RUCerious
You may, but I usually like muskrat as the entree…
December 24th, 2006 at 12:51 pmalways nice to hear from the gay caballera.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:51 pmin a world of law, her getting on the teevee to try to affect justice to benefit her family would be a crime. jury tampering, anyone wish to add likely violations?
in the world we have, it is just a crime against humanity.
*shouting over the drums*
Merry Christmas, RUCerious!!
December 24th, 2006 at 12:53 pmLet’s not forget the Zooey-Zingers!
December 24th, 2006 at 12:56 pm:)
Merry Christmas everyone.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:57 pmEven to the ThinkProgress propagndists who never covered the Democratic support of taking a big steamy dumpy crap on habeas corpus.
Justice will finally begin to be done when Bush and Cheney are impeached, convicted and removed from office (along with their cohorts). Real justice will take place when they are tried for and convicted of war crimes and treason.
Ace, thanks for posting the links regarding concentration camps in the U.S. This is not just “fringe” thinking, but makes complete sense in line with all of the actions that have taken place since 911. Interesting that the Patriot Act was crafted and ready to be passed by the Congress within an amazingly short time. And that’s only the tip of this iceberg we are facing here.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:58 pmNow that Dick has to testifiy Lynn is all over the media about the Libby Case. Where was she when Libby was charged with lying. Not a word until Dick is found out. This effort is to make sure Libby doesn’t admit it was Cheney who layed the plan to leak the CIA’s name as to stop her husband from telling the truth. As for Justice well Nixon was impeached I guess Lynn thinks that was wrong. Lynn should be getting a lawyer to make sure she keeps some of that stolen money Dick got. Dick Cheney will resign when all the January investigations show the crimes he has committed. This is just the beginning of the end for Lynn’s husband. She should write another porn romance story like the first one. Just don’t read it to the grandchildren. How cares what Lynn says anyway she’s just as dirty and evil as her husband. Does Lynn have a boyfriend/girlfriend on the side like Laura has the rich Texan to give her love.
December 24th, 2006 at 1:04 pmI guess Lynne is looking to do some slap downs for Cristmas and is taking to the air waves. Dick is likely on the VP home balcony shooting his gun into the air celebrating his recent raise.
December 24th, 2006 at 1:04 pmLet’s not forget the Zooey-Zingers!
Comment by trueblue
And the trueblue Irish temper!
I’m outta here for a while. Gotta check our little mall for sales — next year’s birthday gifts! Shhhh….
December 24th, 2006 at 1:05 pmThis thing(Lynn) is unbelievable. How low the moral fiber oif this family must be when you consider what a total a-hole Dick is, and that is is LYnn that wears the pants in that family.
I’ll put it real simple, so even a fifth grader can understand it. Dick is to Lynn as George is to Dick.. In the end, it is George who is also Lynn’s bitch. Lynn wears Dicks pants. Dick wears the emperors new pants, so it is LYNN CHENEY who is the most powerfula and DANGEROUS person in America.
December 24th, 2006 at 1:11 pmLynne “Vader” must have the same drug dealer as Laura — they are both delusional and big deniars of reality.
December 24th, 2006 at 1:14 pmKurt: Don’t insult Darth Vader!! Also, I heard that they found their dealer on a recommendation from Rush Limbaugh.
December 24th, 2006 at 1:33 pmActually, Lynne is right….the more important business is to get to the impeachment of her rotten-to-the-core husband….and all other treasonous slobs who make profit from promoting US wars.
December 24th, 2006 at 1:38 pmDon’t know how much I’ll get to post on TP today or tomorrow, so…
Merry Christmas to all!
December 24th, 2006 at 1:48 pmThis is from associated press.
“WASHINGTON – The judge in the CIA leak case ruled Thursday that if Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald feels that admitting certain classified documents at the upcoming trial of I Lewis “Scooter” Libby can jeopardize national security, Fitzgerald can then move to dismiss the perjury charges against Libby.
Judge Reggie Walton cannot automatically allow classified materials to be admitted at trial. He first must go through a series of closed hearings under CIPA regulations. CIPA, the Classified Information Procedures Act, protects and restricts the discovery of classified information in a way that does not impair the defendant’s right to a fair trial. It also allows the government to propose a redacted version of a classified document as a substitution for the original, having deleted only non-relevant classified information.
In his ruling this morning, the Judge Walton, has given a technical legal victory to Libby’s attorneys concerning the admissibility of classified materials they want to present at trial for their defense.”
Why do you think they are trying to give Fitzgerald a way out of this? Maybe it would be to embarrassing to admit that there is nothing there.
December 24th, 2006 at 2:04 pmAnd Badmoodman.
Comment by Zooey
and barfly…
Speaking of funny comments, I love this one by Stephen Colbert:
We dont hate homosexuals. We´re just angry at the ones who turn us on…
December 24th, 2006 at 2:12 pmeat rocks, lynne.
she’s not even worth a witty repsonse.
December 24th, 2006 at 2:23 pmSo, Lynne Cheney, how would you generate accountability into the system since accountibility requires a system of checks and balances. This is America, not some Kingdom to be lorded over by an unaccountable Bush/Cheney administration.
Also, the fact that Lynne Cheney is out on the stump promoting the Bush administration demonstrates that it is very premature to write off the influence that Dick Cheney wields in this administration.
December 24th, 2006 at 2:23 pmNo one cares what she says.
She has no charm, no charisma, and most of all absolutely no credibility.
Mostly what she has is one of the worst humans on the planet for a husband. Damn ugly he is, too.
December 24th, 2006 at 2:43 pmDick Cheney on Larry King live June20th,2005 talking about Iraq : ” I think we may well have some presence there over time” then adding , ” The level of activity we see from military standpoint,I think,WILL CLEARLY DECLINE…I think they’re are in the last throes,if you will,of the insurgency”. Cheney few days later on CNN on June 24th talking to wolf Blitzer : ” We will succeed in Iraq, like we did in Afghanstan. We will stand up a new government under an IRAQ-DRAFTED CONSTITUTION. We will defeat the insurgency,and in fact,it will be an enormous success story”….. Cheney later talked about capturing Bin Ladin:”I am convinced eventaully we’ll get him”…..
December 24th, 2006 at 3:13 pmSince Dick likes shooting people in the face and shooting ducks, I’m surprised he hasn’t shot Lynne in the face yet, being her close resemblance to Webby Vanderquack from “Ducktales” cartoons.
See for yourself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webby_Vanderquack
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December 24th, 2006 at 3:28 pmLynn, Lynn, Lyn-
PULEEZE will you go back to knitting the little Blankee for your daughter’s and daughter’-in-law’s baby and forget the more mundane things, such as deciding which laws should be enforced and which ones should be ignored.
Leave that job up to Hubby Darth and his sockpuppet Dubya. After all, neither of them nor Fudgey Pudgey Rover have ever seen a law that applied to them anyway.
Say Good Night Lynney!
December 24th, 2006 at 3:42 pmLynne Cheney “Does Not Reflect Well” in a mirror. She’s a vampire! She’s married to “Uncle Fester Frump.” The Addams Family was funny this is NOT!!
December 24th, 2006 at 3:53 pm“Does Not Reflect Well On Our Judicial System?†What Lynn Cheney really meant was “Does Not Reflect Well On Our Executive Branch.â€
December 24th, 2006 at 4:02 pmI didn’t know that Lynne had enough of a brain to comprehend George Orwell’s concepts of rearrangement of right and wrong – hah! She’s got a tad more intellect than she appears to have by what she says….at least SHE can read I guess. How Orwellian, Lynne!
December 24th, 2006 at 4:28 pmI’m leaving now for Christmas Eve services at church.
December 24th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
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Interesting article:
I’d like to say MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone and give yourself a
break tonight :)
http://questionoftheday.blogspot.com/
http://questionoftheday.blogspot.com/
December 24th, 2006 at 5:20 pmMerry Christmas, Uncle Ho!
December 24th, 2006 at 5:21 pmhttp://questionoftheday.blogspot.com/
MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone !
http://questionoftheday.blogspot.com/
December 24th, 2006 at 5:23 pmMerry Christmas, Uncle Ho.
You too, Zooey.
Thanks, Juan. Right back at ‘ya.
Paul: this is old news.
I feel sorry for Lynne. She thinks the old rules still apply. Her husband’s “legacy” is about to go *poof* in a cloud of congressional investigations, and while the Dems have said they wouldn’t pursue impeachment for Bush, I don’t recall the same gratuity being offered to Deadmeat Dick. Once we hit the symbolically-significant number of 3000 dead servicemen, Americans will be in a retrospective mood, and hunting for a conveinient scapegoat. House and Senate republicans will be looking for some way to get out of Iraq that isn’t too politically damaging to their party’s chances in ‘08, and Deadmeat might be offered up as a sacrifice to the Dems.
I predict that this coming year (and it’s impending Congressional investigations) will see an avalanche of new terms and phrases entering the lexicon. “Expletive Deleted,” “Plausible Deniability,” and the ever popular, “Collateral Damage,” were all coined during congressional investigations, and after more than five years of Republican misrule, the field will be ripe for harvest. There’ll be the latest versions of “Known Unknowns”, “no-bid, cost-plus contracts” and”pre-emptive strikes” to get everyone’s bile flowing, and, of course, the most modern of non-linear political rhetoric — to paper over the most barbaric political policies.
December 24th, 2006 at 5:43 pmA “Total Waste of taxpayers’ money”? What a scream! OK, please tell us about the Clinton lynch mob- exactly how many millions were wasted digging through every aspect of the Clintons’ lives (and their dog, fer gawdsake) to find something to impeach him with, to only wind up with a blow job as an offense? Did Clinton kill anyone? No. Did Clinton steal money from the US? No, Did he lie & start a war? No. Did he ignore numerous warnings about a terrorist airplane attack? No. Did Clinton give his super rich friends a tax break, then take money for the levee rebuilding fund to cover it, in spite of being warned that New Orleans could flood? No. Did Clinton commit treason by outing a secret agent for political revenge, and, in the process destroy a network that was monitoring nukes in Iran? No. But, did your husband and his lackey Bush, out this agent? Yes. And this is what is going on, you cow. Get it through your head- your husband committed treason, and used Libby to cover his flabby ass. You know it, and your attempts to dodge and distract, bad as they are, reflect your husband’s guilt.
December 24th, 2006 at 6:05 pmLynne is one of the reasons the cunt word is used so often.
December 24th, 2006 at 6:46 pmLynne Cheney does not reflect well on our system.
December 24th, 2006 at 7:00 pm#3 joeslogic
It is a total waste of taxpayers money Fitzgerald knew it was Armistance days after the artical went out. The whole thing is an attempt to trap someone into not remembering to mention something so as to accuse them of telling a lie.
Libby lied to a federal investigator. He had plenty of chances to straighten out his story. Instead, he was trying to cover it up. It doesn’t matter if Armistance [sic] said something first. It’s irrelevant in this case, because the case is all about Libby’s lying. It’s not about the leak.
And if you really want to go there, Armitage didn’t leak intentionally to get back at Wilson. Libby and Rove did. But, that part will probably have to wait until the civil suit to get into sworn testimony.
December 24th, 2006 at 7:39 pm“The Word” for 2007:
Impeachiness.
December 24th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
Impeachiness.
Heh. Brilliant… :)
Merry Christmas, Briseadh na Faire.
December 24th, 2006 at 8:08 pmI’m sure Oliver North didn’t deserve to be wrung through the judicial system either. NOT!
December 24th, 2006 at 8:46 pmFrom Mel Brooks’ History of the World: Part One,
“Sire, the peasants are revolting!”
“Boy, you said it, they stink on ice.” …
December 24th, 2006 at 9:20 pmKeith,
Zooey said something similar tonight (revolting vs. rebelling)
Both times I was reminded of the movie,
“Start the Revolution Without Me”
I only saw it once, when I was pretty young.
Isn’t that something that would have been said during
that movie?
Was it as good a movie as my juvenile mind remembers?
Anyway, I’m pretty tired. Probably will be up for another 1/2 hour, wrapping the ex’s gifts. Yippee. ;)
Happy Whatever-This-Holiday-Started-Out-As-But-Turned-Into-Christmas!
December 24th, 2006 at 9:40 pmCongratulations to Lynne Cheney for being awarded the Massengill Douche poster girl of the year. Way to go Lynne, we knew you’d win.
See you at the awards ceremony where you pick up the Golden Nozzle and shower the crowds with water and vinegar.
-GSD
December 24th, 2006 at 9:58 pmShe’s mad cuz Scooter always loofa’d her back for her.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:00 pmWrapping the Ex’s gifts, owch.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:03 pmProbably will be up for another 1/2 hour, wrapping the ex’s gifts. Yippee.
How does one wrap cow pies?
Happy Whatever-This-Holiday-Started-Out-As-But-Turned-Into-Christmas!
Comment by trueblue
Happy Happy to you, too. :)
December 24th, 2006 at 10:42 pmMerry Christmas to all posters at TP. We may not always agree on everything but I do think we want a better world than what we have now. Be well all!
Also, eat shit lynne cheney
December 24th, 2006 at 10:58 pmOh the shame. We come from Wyoming that bastion of tolerant behavior toward those who are a little bit “different” then the rest of us. What must the voters of Wyoming be thinking of us now?
Where did we fail Mary as right wing and neocon parents? Watching DICK and Lynne Cheney putting on a happy face regarding Mary’s pregnancy is like watching George Bush sitting next to Stephen Colbert doing his act, and pretending to laugh.
I wish I could be a fly on the wall during one of Lynne’s and DICK’s pillowtalk sessions. The Mrs., sobbing while Mr. DICK, lies on his side and refuses to look her into the eye:”We were perfect conservative parents, whhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy DICK whyyyyyyy”?.
Anita Bryant, Phyllis Schaffley, and now Lynne Cheney. Am I seeing a pattern here? Could it be that children go gay when they are raised by over-bearing and sanctimonious mothers?
DICK’s elitist hunting buddies too embarrassed and angry to even bring up the topic of grandchildren while “hunting” Hunting? Picture going down to your local pet store with a gun and hoping to find somethig to kill. It’s that kind of “hunting”.
I recall Lynne Cheney being on the Crossfire show on CNN. She’s another Bay Buchanan. They are both female versions of William Bennett. I found her to be so offensive and irritating I couldn’t watch the show when she appeared on it.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:04 pmWow.
You guys don’t realize that I’m pretty good friends with the ex.
Not that there aren’t bad patches…
;)
But, hey, we made a wonderful young woman together, and we have raised her together.
Of course he’s a putz, but he would agree that he’s a putz, so we all get along!!!
:)))))
December 24th, 2006 at 11:10 pmtrue,
As long as he agrees he’s a putz… :)
December 24th, 2006 at 11:26 pmLynne Cheney needs to be put in a cell right next to Scooter…and her husband!
December 24th, 2006 at 11:28 pmZooey, Juan C., spudge, barfly, 4truth, trueblue, RU, unbelievable & too many others to name, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!
December 24th, 2006 at 11:34 pmTrue Story…. please refrain from false idols .Find The Truth-The Life-The Everlasting in the Lord of Lords,Jesus Christ.
Jesus accepts allsinners,even the worst of thee.Jesus Loves You.
The Story.
A certain monk had a habit of pestering the Grand Tortue (the only one who
had ever reached the Enlightenment ‘Yond Enlightenment), by asking whether
various objects had Buddha-nature or not. To such a question Tortue
invariably sat silent. The monk had already asked about a bean, a lake,
and a moonlit night. One day he brought to Tortue a piece of string, and
asked the same question. In reply, the Grand Tortue grasped the loop
between his feet and, with a few simple manipulations, created a complex
string which he proferred wordlessly to the monk. At that moment, the monk
was enlightened.
From then on, the monk did not bother Tortue. Instead, he made string after
December 24th, 2006 at 11:41 pmstring by Tortue’s method; and he passed the method on to his own disciples,
who passed it on to theirs.
I do not think the progressive movement will ever overtake Christianity.Just not enough?………… -steam- …………thank God.
Naw.
Nope.
Nada.
Or any other false idol worship.Shamanism,Mooneys….yada..yada..yada.
Christ The Lord Almighty is the only way!
Look at these numbers below and weep folks.
You are never going to -catchon- with the Christian Nation of the United States of America.
Amen you are in a small minority in the Grand Scheme of Things.
Praise the Lord!!
Pontiff celebrates Christmas mass
The Pope asked people to pray for children who suffered
Pope Benedict XVI has celebrated Christmas midnight Mass at Saint Peter’s Basilica in Rome.
In a sermon broadcast to more than 40 countries, the Pope said the infant Jesus directed our gaze towards all children who suffer.
He singled out those forced to fight as child soldiers, to beg and those “who suffer deprivation and hunger” and “children who are unloved”.
Gifts were brought to the altar by children from all five continents.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:57 pmI thought Lynne had no reflection as a cultess critter; therefore would have no expertise in this regard. Why is it that when their hubbies are in trouble in the polls the albatross wives run out to further weigh down their image.
Also — Did not the Judge in this case just get very upset over Melanie Sloan discussing the case on Hardball? Along comes Lynne, of course, like some others we have observed, consider themselves to be above the law. Oh, well. The more she talks the more remote controls click to another channel, or in my case to “off”.
Oh, speaking of images, reflections, etc. The folk in New Orleans said to tell you they would love to have you come there during Mardi Gras to show how it has been helped by you,Lynne, Laura and your spouses. Also, Merry Christmas!
December 25th, 2006 at 12:05 amON PRANCER, on zooey, on gsd, on unbelievable….!!!!!! Merry Christmas, and to all our little troll friends… Good Night
December 25th, 2006 at 12:09 amMerry/Happy ___________ (insert personal celbration) to all of you!! i enjoy reading all the wonderful things you post.
To the trolls…..Merry Christmas to you too.
December 25th, 2006 at 12:23 amIs TP becoming a chat room for the posters who consider themselves regulars? Please just post and make chatter in email or a room…..its boring and annoying.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:06 amWhy do you think they are trying to give Fitzgerald a way out of this? Maybe it would be to embarrassing to admit that there is nothing there.
Comment by paul
The classified crap libbys trying to get in has nothing to do with the perjury charges. Its simply part of a “i was too busy to remember the truth” defense that designed to obscure the real issue of his perjury and possibly derail the trial by claiming libby can’t defend himself without classified info.
I predict it wont work. FItzgerald is surgical and hes no partisan hack. And he went to the same undergrad college I did.. Amherst.. woohooo!
Paul, I bet you think this is all some vast right… err.. I mean left wing conspiracy…
You think Ambramhoff, Ney, Cunningham, and Delay were all framed too huh?
December 25th, 2006 at 1:09 amIs TP becoming a chat room for the posters who consider themselves regulars?
It’s the holidays, ya mind?
Please just post and make chatter in email or a room…..its boring and annoying.
Comment by sarahT
Boring and annoying? You should feel right at home!
December 25th, 2006 at 1:16 amMerry Christmas, SarahT.
Murdochs Mergers. His company is getting geared up for 2008 in the propaganda war.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16148-2003Dec19.html
The Federal Communications Commission and Justice Department today approved News Corporation Inc.s purchase of Hughes Electronics Corp.s DirecTV home satellite system, giving Rupert Murdoch the crucial missing piece of his global satellite empire.
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17447
he latest FCC ruling has approved a $6.6 billion merger between DirecTV and Rupert Murdochs News Corporation, striking yet another blow against media …
December 25th, 2006 at 1:20 amSorry, sarahT. Sometimes it can resemble a virtual tree-fort around here, with posters coming and going never to be heard from again. If our camaraderie upsets you, apologies. But we’ve “paid our dues” over the months and years, and some have been here since the site’s inception (in one guise or another), doing our best to keep each other informed and honest, and to debunk the inevitable troll-spin.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:21 ambarfly,
You were SO much nicer than me! Well said.
I’m just cranky because I have no chimney, and can’t figure out how Santa is going to being my presents. :)
Merry Christmas!
December 25th, 2006 at 1:24 amActually, Santa should *bring* my presents. That was a Freudian slip of monumental proportions.
Heh.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:27 am# 11 Ace you are a true patriot, lets take this country back: US CONCENTRATION CAMPS – IN WYOMING!
To those who think that Ace may be exaggerating, or blowing smoke out his ass, please read on below as it is very, very important to your personal freedom.
Executive Order Numbers and Meaning:
10900 – Allows the government to take control over all modes of transportation, highways, and seaports.
10995 – Allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
10997 – Allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
10998 – Allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
11000 – Allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
11001 – Allows the government to take over all health, education, and welfare functions.
11002 – Designates the Postmaster General to operate national registration of all persons.
11003 – Allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
11004 – Allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, and designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
11005 – Allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
11051 – Specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
11310 – Grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
11049 – Assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen-year period.
11921 – Allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and flow of money in the U.S.A. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the President declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.
All of us need to focus and not get sidestepped by the Lynn Cheney’s, and the Foley’s of this world. This periphery stuff is just a shell game to keep you occupied while the real nasty stuff is being perpetrated right in front of our eyes.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:30 amI would like to share a poem with everyone.Hi Zooey!Happy Holidays!
‘Twas midnight on the ocean, Her children all were orphans,
Not a streetcar was in sight, Except one a tiny tot,
So I stepped into a cigar store Who had a home across the way
To ask them for a light. Above a vacant lot.
The man behind the counter As I gazed through the oaken door
Was a woman, old and gray, A whale went drifting by,
Who used to peddle doughnuts Its six legs hanging in the air,
On the road to Mandalay. So I kissed her goodbye.
She said “Good morning, stranger”, This story has a morale
December 25th, 2006 at 1:35 amHer eyes were dry with tears, As you can plainly see,
As she put her head between her feet Don’t mix your gin with whiskey
And stood that way for years. On the deep and dark blue sea.
Zooey,
I’m marinating in Christmas spirit tonight! Otherwise . . .
I’m just cranky because I have no chimney, and can’t figure out how Santa is going to being my presents. :)
I was making mention of that (sort of) to my wife after watching another Christmas special. Since most of the presents that kids want today are made by multi-national corporations, Santa would get hauled into court for trade infringement if the elves were caught making knock-off X-Box 360’s and other such stuff. Now, Christmas stories on TV depict Santa as little more than a reindeer-powered Fed-Ex.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:50 amZooey,
Sorry-Read the poem in columns left to right.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:07 amDang printer.Happy Solstice and Holidays Zooey!
Is TP becoming a chat room for the posters who consider themselves regulars? Please just post and make chatter in email or a room…..its boring and annoying.
Comment by sarahT — December 25, 2006 @ 1:06 am
Yo Sarah, You and Lynn Cheney should go tug on Wolf Blitzer’s beard to see if it is real and then report back….
December 25th, 2006 at 2:21 amZooey, Juan C., spudge, barfly, 4truth, trueblue, RU, unbelievable & too many others to name, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!
Comment by Uncle_Ho
Sorry Im late. Merry Christmas to you, Uncle_Ho.
Lets keep the good fight on. :)
Merry Xmas to everybody. You all deserve it.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:28 amJTitor,
ECO Terrorism-PNAC
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/291204earthquakeweapons.htm
Read the above article and see if it does not match part of PNACs directives.
To do away with Indonesia altogether is one main goal of PNAC.Earthquake weapons?
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It’s real.
December 25th, 2006 at 4:32 amOne really finds it beneath oneself to go ad hominen with the mom of a christianist lesbian love-child incubation chamber, but this time, the aspish Lyndy-Loo has exceeded the bounds of propriety.
The DOJ are boot Scooters from way back. Get with the program Lynne, girl. Your beauty can’t manifest itself in your ugliness forever.
December 25th, 2006 at 6:33 amwhen she said “he’s done an awful lot of good”, i think she meant to say “he’s done a good amout of awful”, that would have been more accurate, if, of course, accuracy is what she was striving for…
December 25th, 2006 at 8:36 amwho knew; I like to think that Dylan’s Masters of War is applicable today.
December 25th, 2006 at 8:41 amSpeaking of Scooter and the Cheneys, It’s a Blunderful Life. Enjoy the picture show (courtesy of Alicia Morgan at Last Left Turn B4 Hooterville) and take it easy on the eggnog.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:22 amin a world of law, her getting on the teevee to try to affect justice to benefit her family would be a crime. jury tampering, anyone wish to add likely violations?
in the world we have, it is just a crime against humanity.
Comment by oldtree
So, you woudl say the same about John Murtha when he publicly called the Marines involved in Haditha murderers BEFORE the investigation was complete? That could be concidered “Congressional interfearance”, could it not?
December 25th, 2006 at 9:31 am#107,According to Laura Bush in her whimsical lifestyle career of FirstLadyhood, cancer is just.. No Big Deal.
If you realy bother to read the article, you can clearly see that Laura Bush ws saying that they did not release info about her skin cancer because she felt that her skin cancer was no “big deal”, just like many of the poster commented here when the story broke.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:41 amZooey, Wayne, BnF, unbelievable, Juan C, and so many others:
Merry Christmas/Yule/Juvinalia/Monday (take your pick)
December 25th, 2006 at 9:46 am#103
Sorry to break the news to you, Spanky…Jesus was a liberal!
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/index.htm
I guarantee you he was not a Republican warmonger and hater.
December 25th, 2006 at 10:29 amjpork-thanks for the link to ‘It’s a Blunderful Life.’ Funny, sent links to friends. Merry Christmas!
December 25th, 2006 at 10:41 amkasinca,
That’s a great site, I bookmarked it. Thanks!
December 25th, 2006 at 10:42 amcircusfifthfloor, SouthPaw, sarahT, Mighty White Hermaphrodite, barfly, JTitor, barfly, Wellsley, ren, Juan C, LiL Leprechaun (sorry), who knew, FuzzFlash, tofubo, Uncle Ho, jurrasicpork, & Robert:
Merry Christmas!!
December 25th, 2006 at 10:51 amZooey,
Pass it around. I am a Christian and I am liberal. I can’t find abortion or gay marriage in my Bible. I can find compassion, love, tolerance, charity and many other things that apply to liberal and progressive.
Merry Christmas!
December 25th, 2006 at 10:52 amkasinca:
Just so you know
Leviticus 20:13. If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination: let them be put to death. Their blood be upon them.
December 25th, 2006 at 11:13 amI am a Christian and I am liberal. I can’t find abortion or gay marriage in my Bible. I can find compassion, love, tolerance, charity and many other things that apply to liberal and progressive.
Merry Christmas!
Comment by kasinca
I know there are lots of you out there, kasinca! Compassion, love, acceptance and charity are some of my favorite things!
I really can’t stand the word “tolerance,” but a teacher once told me that those who grew up being “tolerated” usually don’t like the word. :P
December 25th, 2006 at 11:20 amHey Robert,
Check kasinca’s link in #132. It’s a very good site.
December 25th, 2006 at 11:21 am# 103 I do not think the progressive movement will ever overtake Christianity.- Enlightened Fistian
Ah the irony of your name. It really shows your true ignorance of christ. Jesus, whoever he was, was the ultimate rebel. He wasnt a lockstep authoritarian warmongering Gestapo nationalist.
Do you really a truly think jesus would want us to invade iraq?
(Its funny how you pseudo-xtian nutballs constantly criticize islam and its prophet for being too warlike, and yet somehow you seem to think jesus would put his stamp of endorsement on an unprovoked war of choice. Sounds like just the sort of bellicosity you biblehumpers would accuse followers of mohammed of…)
Do you really think Jesus would be more obsessed with homsexuality than starving children?
Do you really think he’d rather see millions of children die of disease and overpopulation rather than have someone talk to their parents about birth control?
Honestly, christ would weep to see what people like you have done in his name. Rather than being true christians, your more like a cancerous lesion on the body of christ.
Jesus hung out with whores in public and didnt condemn them. You people hang out with whores in back alleys and condemn them in public. You preach love in christs name and then use it to foster hatred and division. Most of you are hipocrites of the highest order. The way I see it, progressive thought is one of the only way to save chrisitanity from the parasites who infest it now.
So go sing your silly songs and think your silly thoughts about sweet baby jesus on this pagan holiday. Fill you mind with the deluded thoughts about how pleased jesus would be that the christian nation is causing a situation that is piling up hundreds of thousands of corpses in some other country. After all, jesus would approve. After all, Saddam was a bad man…..
December 25th, 2006 at 12:14 pmEnlightened Christian, can YOU point me to the place in the bible where it explains exactly how many innocents its ok to kill in order to bring a bad man to justice?
oh hey Enlightened Fistian, heres some more good cheer your lord and saviour Dick Cheney has helped spread in Iraq:
“Anglican Leader: U.S.-Led Coalition’s Iraq War Has Jeopardized Christians in the Mideast”
http://abcnews.go.com/International/print?id=2747936
“Christmas under siege: Baghdad tree tradition dies”
December 25th, 2006 at 12:22 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061223/wl_mideast_afp/iraqchristmas
(YES mr Enlightened Fister, mean old Saddam used to let you Xtians hump all the bibles you wanted… the Islamic Fanatics your support helped empower in Iraq are now declaring a REAL war on christmas)
Zooey,
I did check out that site. Funny thing is, on some parts “he” defeats his own argument.
Example: The Jews did not kill Jesus. The Jewish leaders accused him, the Jewish crowd chanted “Crucify, Crucifyâ€, Pilate gave them a choice and they chose to free a murder rather than a “Blasphemer”, and the Jews stones, spat and cursed him throughout the scourging and his parade to the Crucifixion.
So, my question to kasinca is; Who killed Jesus?
Please do not think I am an anti-Semite or something. If you prefer to put this in a non-Religious context. Let’s think of it as just a book for sake of argument, as I personally have nothing against those that are Jewish.
December 25th, 2006 at 12:48 pmRobert,
It’s been a long time since I’ve been church and Sunday school (age 12), but I always thought the Romans used the Jews to kill Jesus. I also thought a lot of the Jewish leaders wanted Jesus dead anyway, so they allowed to Romans to use them. Everyone had their own agenda, and found a way to meet it.
If it wasn’t hurting my brain this morning to get all philosophical, I’d be able to better articulate how “we,” all of us, killed Jesus — which is fitting, because christians believe God gave his only son to die for “our” sins.
I’ll probably look at this later and say, Huh? I’m giong to see if I can kick some men out of bed so we can open a couple presents.
Have a great Christmas, Robert!
December 25th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#137
Christ came to restore the law of the Old Testament with the Good Word. Where did he address your obsessions in the Sermon on the Mount? You guys are all barking at the wind.
Who Would Jesus Disenfranchise?
December 25th, 2006 at 2:04 pmWould God’s sacrifice been as effective if He would have had Jesus eat a few worms in front of the throng? Maybe walk a city block of white hot coals? This time and space thing is hard to grasp. He has been in control throughout all of time, and He was in total control that fateful weekend. He chose Judas, and the Son showed no anger or hate toward him. Only resolve. So I say to you all who wish to find someone to blame for THIS. Enjoy your blessings, go forth and treat others with kindness and love. Everything else will be sorted out…just as they were on that weekend.
December 25th, 2006 at 3:09 pm#144, You asked for a reference in the Bible that said homosexuality was wrong, and I provided one, nothing more. With that said, if you are a Christian, then you believe those are the words of God, therefore God condemning homosexuality. Personally, I say it is up to God to judge. That is the premise of the whole thing. God provided a guideline for living and “He” is the final judge.
#145, All I did was point to who committed the act. It was destiny for Jesus to die that day and illustrate to all the power of the one God. It was a situation that was self-perpetuating.
December 25th, 2006 at 3:55 pmComment by Mighty White Hermaphrodite — December 25, 2006 @ 12:14
Great points. But you forgot about this one: George Bush takes his advice from the father( not dad, but the Big Man). Which means that GD skipped Jesus, went righ to Georgie in his dreams) and said, forget the facts, lie about Sadaam, and screw the Iraqi’s. Which shows us all one thing: That Georgie is as dilussional in his sleep as he is when is awake(?)!
December 25th, 2006 at 3:56 pmGFYS!
December 25th, 2006 at 4:00 pmSo, robert, you’re an orthodox Jew? Do you also take recalcitrant teenagers outside the city gates and stone them to death? Do you uphold all of God’s Laws as listed in Leviticus? If not, why quote this? Is your aim to prove God is not loving and tolerant? What then of the teachings of Christ? If Christ and God are one and the same, how do you reconsile Christ’s teachings in the Sermon on the Mount with Leviticus?
For that matter, how was Lot’s incestuous relationship with his daughters acceptable in the sight of the Lord?
And should our soldiers collect the foreskins of the Iraqis they kill?
Last I checked, the Bible was written and translated by men, claiming to be inspired by God. What if theirs was a false claim? What if the Bible is nothing more than an Orwellian re-write of Judeo-Christian history? Can it be proven that this is not so? Conversely, what tangible proof is there that the Bible (and, which translation thereof) is the written Word of God?
If you have no tangible proof, then why are you condemning a lifestyle based upon a mythical belief system?
December 25th, 2006 at 4:18 pmBnF,
Did I condem the lifestyle? No, I did not. I can’t find abortion or gay marriage in my Bible was the original post and I illustrated where, in the Bible, the text in question, where a condemnation can be found. Read all the information presented before letting your emotion take control. As a Christian, I pointed something out to another Christian.
What if the Bible is nothing more than an Orwellian re-write of Judeo-Christian history? Can it be proven that this is not so?
Can you prove it is? You are the one claiming it is not. As the Prosecutor, the burden of proof is on you. Or do they not teach that in law school.
If you have no tangible proof, then why are you condemning a lifestyle based upon a mythical belief system?
December 25th, 2006 at 4:42 pmChristianity is no more of a mythical belief system than Wicca and Shamanism.
Lil Leprechaun,
I agree 100%. I am not the one that is condeming anyone or belittling anyones belief system. What people tend to forget is that this country was founded to show equal respect for everyones beliefs.
December 25th, 2006 at 4:45 pm#146
God is the judge and Christ is God, part of the trinity. He was on earth and he said the law of Moses is no longer the law…he stated the law in the Sermon on the Mount. There are many more issues than homosexuality and abortion. Neither of those issues affect me but the thing mentioned more than anything else in the Bible is charity to the needy, over 2100 times. Where does it say to take from the needy to give to the chronies or the military industrial complex? It also mentions hypocrites and interpreters of the law…they were not in line with Jesus then and they are not today. Ever notice that the people opposed to abortion are always old men in black suits? Ever notice that some against gay marriage are gay themselves but in the closet?
Who would Jesus disenfranchise? Hint: What did he do with the lady at the well (who had been married several times)? He showed compassion and won her over. He didn’t beat her about the head and shoulder and condemn her. He was an example of how we should treat one another.
Merry Christmas.
December 25th, 2006 at 4:48 pmLet’s not get in another epistemological piss-fight over Christ, okay? He either existed – or he didn’t. Hismessage is what counts, and it hasn’t been improved upon by anyone, nor is it ever likely to be. Quit obsessing over the messenger, I say. It is not relevant where the message originated, but that we practice it is the only really important issue. Those who make a big deal out of the other stuff only show how little they really grasp the message.
December 25th, 2006 at 4:49 pm#154,kasinca,
We agree on almost all of this (I win’t get into the trinity). You just mentioned something specific and I answered it.
Who would Jesus disenfranchise? I’ll give you the answer from my upbringing and belief system. No one. Even the worst of sinners and seek atonement in the final hours.
December 25th, 2006 at 4:57 pmComment by robert — December 25, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
But why, as a Christian, did you point out something in Leviticus? When Christ came, that law was fulfilled. You might say it was repealed.
Can you prove it is? You are the one claiming it is not. As the Prosecutor, the burden of proof is on you. Or do they not teach that in law school.
Comment by robert — December 25, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
Google the history of the Bible and its multitudinous translations. There is no record of God having written any part of the Bible free of human hands. I submit as evidence: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=bible&as_q=history&btnG=Search within results
Comment by robert — December 25, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
Then I submit to you they are equally valid. As is Athiesm. Indeed, Athiesm is the only belief system without mythology.
December 25th, 2006 at 6:57 pmkasinca, 154, excellent post. I agree, so many have forgotten the message. Peace and Blessings be with you and yours.
December 25th, 2006 at 7:00 pm155, ok.
December 25th, 2006 at 7:10 pmComment by LiL Leprechaun — December 25, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
Amen to that! As I’ve been reflecting these past few days, I am saddened by those who have perverted Christ’s message of love and acceptance and have used His name to justify hatred, intolerance and war.
I am heartened, however, by those such as Patriotic Liberal Christian, who, judging by his posts, lives the message of Christ.
I posed the questions about the bible not because I do not believe, but because I believe each should question the underpinnings of his/her faith. Are you merely taking another’s word, or is your faith based on something more personal and more profound?
Can you truely walk the path of peace, love, and acceptance, not just today, but every day? If so, namaste.
December 25th, 2006 at 7:21 pmI know this question may sound stupid but here goes.How do you get italics to show in your messages?
In the rectangle above the comments box, there are options (bold, italic, link, blockquote, close tags) that you can use. Simply highlight the text, and click the appropriate button.
December 25th, 2006 at 7:37 pm#159, But why, as a Christian, did you point out something in Leviticus? When Christ came, that law was fulfilled. You might say it was repealed.
Did anyone ask for a reference in a certain period? No, they said “In the Bible”. You have to look at the Bible as a collection. To think of the Bible as just the New Testament is inaccurate. Each “version” (Old Testament, New Testament, and if you are Muslim, the Quran) are believed to be “updated” sets of “laws”. Therefore my original point is still accurate. But for an updated Christian version for you I submit:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
I do feel that all religion or lacks there of, are valid beliefs. As has been stated many times, the answer will not be found in this world, but in the next.
December 25th, 2006 at 7:58 pmThanks for your well wishes, Zooey.
Mighty White Aphrodite, this one’s for you.
Let’s go back around two thousand years. Three well-sandled commercial travellers are caravanning across desolate terrain in a distant Roman province upon a dark and moonless night. The camels, who schlepp the merchants and their wares, gather attitude as they stumble uncertainly over trails unseen. Keen to maintain calm and mollify the stroppy ungulates, the three wise proto-entrepreneurs dismount and lead by the reins, their burdened beasts, guided solely by starlight. Gathering momentum, they pass a cave on the outskirts of a bliptown called Bethlehem, when the leading man inadvertently and viciously stubs his exposed big toe on a sharp, turned stone, and utters the strident epithet.. …
“JESUS CHRIST !!!â€
Inside the cave, a chirpy female voice exclaims:
“Hey, Joey! What a GREAT name.
I was gonna call him Ralph.â€
December 25th, 2006 at 8:15 pmathiesm(sp) sorry, my spelling is reduced to laziness, is the only belief system that has no mythology? Even bar-b-que sauces have mythical tales mixed thru it’s spices. But, that’s ok. Faith is misunderstood and defined poorly to the masses. It’s not corporate at all, even though we worship together. If it travels thru time with stories( myths ), so be it. That is why many of us call it a faith journey…If we’re on the journey, we’re happy, and when we reach the end, then maybe we”ll be happier still…Let It Be…How long does this bloody cold last?
December 25th, 2006 at 10:11 pmcircus, no, barbeque sauce isn’t mythology, historical belief in the supernatural is. Not sure what the hell you are talking about. By the way, from experience, the cold lasts a full week.
December 25th, 2006 at 11:02 pmJPark, perhaps circus has supernatural BBQ sauce?
There is a saying about the common cold. Untreated, it lasts 7 long days. Treated, it’s gone in a week.
Me, I’ve found that using what some call Reiki takes care of nearly all symptoms overnight. (and, no, you don’t have to pay for an ‘attunement’)
December 25th, 2006 at 11:43 pmI would love to smack that smug look off her face……
December 26th, 2006 at 1:31 am#158
Well, so Hindu, Buddist and other religion believers will go to hell because they don’t believe in the Bible?
December 26th, 2006 at 1:44 amAs has been stated many times, the answer will not be found in this world, but in the next.
Comment by robert —
Or not. Perhaps the answer can be found in this world, but as finite beings we do not live long enough to be able to encompass it. Perhaps the answer is to reach for immortality, and when we achieve it, we will have our answer. As religion seems to put roadblocks in the path to finding immortality, and if there is no other existence but what we have and can keep for ourselves, existentially speaking, shouldn’t mankind view religion as an impediment to actually “experiencing God” (gnosis)?
December 26th, 2006 at 2:24 amHey, I don’t want to start a violence either. But I like to show you the problem in your logic.
We might change it to:
Bris – if you do not believe in any religion’s doctrines. If you are wrong then you will go to christian’s hell, Hindus’s hell, Moron’s hell or so on …
Robert – you might in Christian’s Heaven but sure you’ll fall in Jew’s hell, Hindus’s hell , Buddist’s hell or so on … (and even orthodox christian’s hell). If I were you, I’ll hope Bris is right. Well in the case;when we die, we all just be dead … peacefully. ;-)
December 26th, 2006 at 9:07 amScooter Libby belongs in jail. Here is a person who had lied to FBI investigators and the grand jury more than once. This is a case of the rich and powerful protecting the rich and powerful. What does that say for the American people. Can anyone lie to the FBI and be treated the same way without punishment? I know there is still more to the case but just what has happened up until now is criminal. How would Congress like it if we were all to plea the “Scooter Libby”. How would Congress feel if professional baseball players were to say, “I would like to plea the Scooter Libby”. When asked what that means, “Its a plea that if I were to lie to you I wouldn’t get in trouble, so I plea the Scooter Libby before i give my statement”. Do you see how dangerous this can become? Mabye silly but think about it!
December 26th, 2006 at 9:33 amWhen you look at Ms. Darth’s track record of right-wingedness, i think she’s a bigger neo-con than he is! NO wonder she holds the line so well, all that practice at the AEI.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:52 amI guess ChildrenofLir is off holding his breath until he turns blue…
December 26th, 2006 at 10:59 amSome amount of spinning is required for the goods of nations. In India we have a saying that which results in good that lie is worth telling.
http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com
December 26th, 2006 at 11:17 am#177 – Wrong thread!
December 26th, 2006 at 11:25 amJoeslogic: “The whole thing is an attempt to trap someone into not remembering to mention something so as to accuse them of telling a lie.”
Joe, you are evidently unaware that this is exactly how they trapped Clinton. I’m sure you were deeply troubled by what they did to Clinton.
Robert, you use biblical passages to “prove” that the Jews “killed” Jesus. Here are two of my problems with that story: 1. the Romans had executed tens of thousands this way before this particular execution and they would go on to execute tens of thousands more. The new testament asks us to believe that this one time, a Roman military commander decided to let someone else make the decision??!! and, 2. Roman histories show that Pontius Pilate was actually recalled to Rome for excess brutality. So, I’d like you to consider the possibility that as Romans made Christianity their state religion, they had to come up with a story whereby they were not guilty of executing the subject of their religion.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:33 pmAnd to Paul as well as all republicans who think this Libby thing is nothing, your leaders had much different things to say in ‘99:
Sen. Brownback: “Perjury and obstruction of justice are crimes against the state. Perjury goes directly against the truth-finding function of the judicial branch of government.” [Congressional Record, 2/12/99]
Sen. Bill Frist: “There is no serious question that perjury and obstruction of justice are high crimes and misdemeanors…Indeed, our own Senate precedent establishes that perjury is a high crime and misdemeanor…The crimes of perjury and obstruction of justice are public crimes threatening the administration of justice.” [Congressional Record, 2/12/99]
Sen. Mike DeWine: “Obstruction of justice and perjury strike at the very heart of our system of justice…Perjury is also a very serious crime…The judiciary is designed to be a mechanism for finding the truth-so that justice can be done. Perjury perverts the judiciary, turning it into a mechanism that accepts lies-so that injustice may prevail.” [Congressional Record, 2/12/99]
Sen. Mitch McConnell: “I am completely and utterly perplexed by those who argue that perjury and obstruction of justice are not high crimes and misdemeanors…Perjury and obstruction hammer away at the twin pillars of our legal system: truth and justice.” [Congressional Record, 2/12/99]
December 26th, 2006 at 12:39 pmGlad I took the week off. Fever broke and now I can possibly explain quickly what I really meant. Simply that myths are part of everything in our society. That they are not held captive by just religions and philosophies. Just humor me…What moves mountains? Wisdom? No, Faith moves mountains. Inspiration and joy come from the music of the spheres, not spreadsheets. Some people get off by reading the early Old Testament ( the Pentateuch), with it”s relatively remedial instructions about hygiene. I, on the other hand find hope and strength from the psalms and most of the New Testament. Some may love the statistics on ballplayers’ performances, while I can just enjoy the dappled shading of the right field line. Much like golf. Many are mechanical, while I’ve always played by feel. Have a nice day.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:43 pmI’m sorry, you can embrace any myths or pleasing stories you like, but you cannot move a mountain with faith alone. The day someone does that, I’ll reevaluate my position.
December 26th, 2006 at 2:52 pmSee what I mean? Metaphors my darling young one. Metaphors…
December 26th, 2006 at 3:31 pmEnlightened Christian
Please shut the f*ck up. The last thing anyone needs to hear is the rantings of a delusional, religionist spouting on about his imaginary God!!!
December 26th, 2006 at 6:46 pmThat was nice hearing from someone new, was it not? P#tty Mouth..Do you e%t with that mouth? Do you kiss your mother with that m$uth? Good to h@ve you aboard…
December 26th, 2006 at 8:32 pmThe latter day Martha Mithcell. Only with a lot less integrity.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:30 pmIf there is one thing that I agree with bush and his ilk with it’s this: we’re running out of resources fast. Like it or not we are in the first stages of what’s going to be a major clash of civilizations around the world for control of those resources. And those that control the most will have the most to lose and meet with unmerciful and brutal force any that oppose them.
The dynasties, royal, industrial, political, and wealthy, often overlapping, that have controlled civilizations for hundreds, if not thousands, of years are trying to hold onto that control against the uprising that comes from the people they enslave.
Can you blame them? If you were a Rothschild, Krupp, Morgan, Roosevelt, or any of the say 20 odd dynasties that control 90% of the wealth, and most likely won’t be happy till they get 99%. Their dream of a “one world government†is almost, if not already here.
SO, here’s the crime – time. We’re out of it. And even if bush and his farce of followers of fools hadn’t wasted so much time, we still would have been way beyond the point of no return. The dwindling of just basic resources like water and food, forget going to see a movie, will soon, even in the richest of countries will be scare. America will suffer the most. Cities and suburbs will turn into war zones. Bush and his ilk know this. Forget the “raptureâ€. That’s just more theater for the folly. They want control. They will be that 1% behind the walls protected.
Or so they think. The 1% that will survive, if even possible in the damaged world we’ve produced, will be the tribes.
Hey, maybe that’s why bush bought land in Paraguay?
December 26th, 2006 at 9:33 pmLet’s see, Sandy Berger gets caught stealing documents from the national archive and gets a fine. Scooter Libby can’t remember the details of a conversation he had with Tim Russert and is put on trial for his freedom.
Apparenly you can get away with smoking crack, having sex with underage male pages, lying under oath, stealing government documents, taking bribes, punching police officers, and selling land you don’t actually own… if you are a democrat.
December 29th, 2006 at 5:59 pmAw come on Bluedog49 you have really got to be kidding me. You mean that Fitzgerald asking Scooter Libby two point five million questions then interviewing thousands of people to then find something that Scooter inadvertently left out (Which by the way they cannot in any way prove that he did or did not remember to disclose)
And Slick Willy standing in front of a bunch of cameras and telling the world that he did not use an intern his daughters age as a humidor to moisten his cigars.
You thing both of these examples are equal examples of perjury entrapment?
I guess that explains your predisposition to being a communist. Your stupid as a bag of potato chips.
January 1st, 2007 at 3:15 pm