Comments on: Lynne Cheney: Putting Scooter Libby On Trial ‘Does Not Reflect Well On Our Judicial System’ http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:06:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: joeslogic http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1368845 joeslogic Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:15:38 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1368845 Aw come on Bluedog49 you have really got to be kidding me. You mean that Fitzgerald asking Scooter Libby two point five million questions then interviewing thousands of people to then find something that Scooter inadvertently left out (Which by the way they cannot in any way prove that he did or did not remember to disclose) And Slick Willy standing in front of a bunch of cameras and telling the world that he did not use an intern his daughters age as a humidor to moisten his cigars. You thing both of these examples are equal examples of perjury entrapment? I guess that explains your predisposition to being a communist. Your stupid as a bag of potato chips. Aw come on Bluedog49 you have really got to be kidding me. You mean that Fitzgerald asking Scooter Libby two point five million questions then interviewing thousands of people to then find something that Scooter inadvertently left out (Which by the way they cannot in any way prove that he did or did not remember to disclose)

And Slick Willy standing in front of a bunch of cameras and telling the world that he did not use an intern his daughters age as a humidor to moisten his cigars.

You thing both of these examples are equal examples of perjury entrapment?

I guess that explains your predisposition to being a communist. Your stupid as a bag of potato chips.

]]> By: Mr. Truth http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1349361 Mr. Truth Fri, 29 Dec 2006 22:59:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1349361 Let's see, Sandy Berger gets caught stealing documents from the national archive and gets a fine. Scooter Libby can't remember the details of a conversation he had with Tim Russert and is put on trial for his freedom. Apparenly you can get away with smoking crack, having sex with underage male pages, lying under oath, stealing government documents, taking bribes, punching police officers, and selling land you don't actually own... if you are a democrat. Let’s see, Sandy Berger gets caught stealing documents from the national archive and gets a fine. Scooter Libby can’t remember the details of a conversation he had with Tim Russert and is put on trial for his freedom.

Apparenly you can get away with smoking crack, having sex with underage male pages, lying under oath, stealing government documents, taking bribes, punching police officers, and selling land you don’t actually own… if you are a democrat.

]]> By: Gonnuts http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1333501 Gonnuts Wed, 27 Dec 2006 02:33:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1333501 If there is one thing that I agree with bush and his ilk with it’s this: we’re running out of resources fast. Like it or not we are in the first stages of what’s going to be a major clash of civilizations around the world for control of those resources. And those that control the most will have the most to lose and meet with unmerciful and brutal force any that oppose them. The dynasties, royal, industrial, political, and wealthy, often overlapping, that have controlled civilizations for hundreds, if not thousands, of years are trying to hold onto that control against the uprising that comes from the people they enslave. Can you blame them? If you were a Rothschild, Krupp, Morgan, Roosevelt, or any of the say 20 odd dynasties that control 90% of the wealth, and most likely won’t be happy till they get 99%. Their dream of a “one world government” is almost, if not already here. SO, here’s the crime – time. We’re out of it. And even if bush and his farce of followers of fools hadn’t wasted so much time, we still would have been way beyond the point of no return. The dwindling of just basic resources like water and food, forget going to see a movie, will soon, even in the richest of countries will be scare. America will suffer the most. Cities and suburbs will turn into war zones. Bush and his ilk know this. Forget the “rapture”. That’s just more theater for the folly. They want control. They will be that 1% behind the walls protected. Or so they think. The 1% that will survive, if even possible in the damaged world we’ve produced, will be the tribes. Hey, maybe that’s why bush bought land in Paraguay? If there is one thing that I agree with bush and his ilk with it’s this: we’re running out of resources fast. Like it or not we are in the first stages of what’s going to be a major clash of civilizations around the world for control of those resources. And those that control the most will have the most to lose and meet with unmerciful and brutal force any that oppose them.

The dynasties, royal, industrial, political, and wealthy, often overlapping, that have controlled civilizations for hundreds, if not thousands, of years are trying to hold onto that control against the uprising that comes from the people they enslave.

Can you blame them? If you were a Rothschild, Krupp, Morgan, Roosevelt, or any of the say 20 odd dynasties that control 90% of the wealth, and most likely won’t be happy till they get 99%. Their dream of a “one world government” is almost, if not already here.

SO, here’s the crime – time. We’re out of it. And even if bush and his farce of followers of fools hadn’t wasted so much time, we still would have been way beyond the point of no return. The dwindling of just basic resources like water and food, forget going to see a movie, will soon, even in the richest of countries will be scare. America will suffer the most. Cities and suburbs will turn into war zones. Bush and his ilk know this. Forget the “rapture”. That’s just more theater for the folly. They want control. They will be that 1% behind the walls protected.

Or so they think. The 1% that will survive, if even possible in the damaged world we’ve produced, will be the tribes.

Hey, maybe that’s why bush bought land in Paraguay?

]]> By: Gonnuts http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1333491 Gonnuts Wed, 27 Dec 2006 02:30:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1333491 The latter day Martha Mithcell. Only with a lot less integrity. The latter day Martha Mithcell. Only with a lot less integrity.

]]> By: circusfifthfloor http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1333270 circusfifthfloor Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:32:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1333270 That was nice hearing from someone new, was it not? P#tty Mouth..Do you e%t with that mouth? Do you kiss your mother with that m$uth? Good to h@ve you aboard... That was nice hearing from someone new, was it not? P#tty Mouth..Do you e%t with that mouth? Do you kiss your mother with that m$uth? Good to h@ve you aboard…

]]> By: not impressed with the U.S. http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1332316 not impressed with the U.S. Tue, 26 Dec 2006 23:46:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1332316 Enlightened Christian Please shut the f*ck up. The last thing anyone needs to hear is the rantings of a delusional, religionist spouting on about his imaginary God!!! Enlightened Christian

Please shut the f*ck up. The last thing anyone needs to hear is the rantings of a delusional, religionist spouting on about his imaginary God!!!

]]> By: circusfifthfloor http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1331450 circusfifthfloor Tue, 26 Dec 2006 20:31:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1331450 See what I mean? Metaphors my darling young one. Metaphors... See what I mean? Metaphors my darling young one. Metaphors…

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1331348 Bluedog49 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:52:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1331348 I'm sorry, you can embrace any myths or pleasing stories you like, but you cannot move a mountain with faith alone. The day someone does that, I'll reevaluate my position. I’m sorry, you can embrace any myths or pleasing stories you like, but you cannot move a mountain with faith alone. The day someone does that, I’ll reevaluate my position.

]]> By: circusfifthfloor http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1331162 circusfifthfloor Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:43:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1331162 Glad I took the week off. Fever broke and now I can possibly explain quickly what I really meant. Simply that myths are part of everything in our society. That they are not held captive by just religions and philosophies. Just humor me...What moves mountains? Wisdom? No, Faith moves mountains. Inspiration and joy come from the music of the spheres, not spreadsheets. Some people get off by reading the early Old Testament ( the Pentateuch), with it"s relatively remedial instructions about hygiene. I, on the other hand find hope and strength from the psalms and most of the New Testament. Some may love the statistics on ballplayers' performances, while I can just enjoy the dappled shading of the right field line. Much like golf. Many are mechanical, while I've always played by feel. Have a nice day. Glad I took the week off. Fever broke and now I can possibly explain quickly what I really meant. Simply that myths are part of everything in our society. That they are not held captive by just religions and philosophies. Just humor me…What moves mountains? Wisdom? No, Faith moves mountains. Inspiration and joy come from the music of the spheres, not spreadsheets. Some people get off by reading the early Old Testament ( the Pentateuch), with it”s relatively remedial instructions about hygiene. I, on the other hand find hope and strength from the psalms and most of the New Testament. Some may love the statistics on ballplayers’ performances, while I can just enjoy the dappled shading of the right field line. Much like golf. Many are mechanical, while I’ve always played by feel. Have a nice day.

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1330972 Bluedog49 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:39:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1330972 And to Paul as well as all republicans who think this Libby thing is nothing, your leaders had much different things to say in '99: Sen. Brownback: "Perjury and obstruction of justice are crimes against the state. Perjury goes directly against the truth-finding function of the judicial branch of government." [Congressional Record, 2/12/99] Sen. Bill Frist: "There is no serious question that perjury and obstruction of justice are high crimes and misdemeanors...Indeed, our own Senate precedent establishes that perjury is a high crime and misdemeanor...The crimes of perjury and obstruction of justice are public crimes threatening the administration of justice." [Congressional Record, 2/12/99] Sen. Mike DeWine: "Obstruction of justice and perjury strike at the very heart of our system of justice...Perjury is also a very serious crime...The judiciary is designed to be a mechanism for finding the truth-so that justice can be done. Perjury perverts the judiciary, turning it into a mechanism that accepts lies-so that injustice may prevail." [Congressional Record, 2/12/99] Sen. Mitch McConnell: "I am completely and utterly perplexed by those who argue that perjury and obstruction of justice are not high crimes and misdemeanors...Perjury and obstruction hammer away at the twin pillars of our legal system: truth and justice." [Congressional Record, 2/12/99] And to Paul as well as all republicans who think this Libby thing is nothing, your leaders had much different things to say in ‘99:

Sen. Brownback: “Perjury and obstruction of justice are crimes against the state. Perjury goes directly against the truth-finding function of the judicial branch of government.” [Congressional Record, 2/12/99]

Sen. Bill Frist: “There is no serious question that perjury and obstruction of justice are high crimes and misdemeanors…Indeed, our own Senate precedent establishes that perjury is a high crime and misdemeanor…The crimes of perjury and obstruction of justice are public crimes threatening the administration of justice.” [Congressional Record, 2/12/99]

Sen. Mike DeWine: “Obstruction of justice and perjury strike at the very heart of our system of justice…Perjury is also a very serious crime…The judiciary is designed to be a mechanism for finding the truth-so that justice can be done. Perjury perverts the judiciary, turning it into a mechanism that accepts lies-so that injustice may prevail.” [Congressional Record, 2/12/99]

Sen. Mitch McConnell: “I am completely and utterly perplexed by those who argue that perjury and obstruction of justice are not high crimes and misdemeanors…Perjury and obstruction hammer away at the twin pillars of our legal system: truth and justice.” [Congressional Record, 2/12/99]

]]> By: Bluedog49 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1330952 Bluedog49 Tue, 26 Dec 2006 17:33:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1330952 Joeslogic: "The whole thing is an attempt to trap someone into not remembering to mention something so as to accuse them of telling a lie." Joe, you are evidently unaware that this is exactly how they trapped Clinton. I'm sure you were deeply troubled by what they did to Clinton. Robert, you use biblical passages to "prove" that the Jews "killed" Jesus. Here are two of my problems with that story: 1. the Romans had executed tens of thousands this way before this particular execution and they would go on to execute tens of thousands more. The new testament asks us to believe that this one time, a Roman military commander decided to let someone else make the decision??!! and, 2. Roman histories show that Pontius Pilate was actually recalled to Rome for excess brutality. So, I'd like you to consider the possibility that as Romans made Christianity their state religion, they had to come up with a story whereby they were not guilty of executing the subject of their religion. Joeslogic: “The whole thing is an attempt to trap someone into not remembering to mention something so as to accuse them of telling a lie.”

Joe, you are evidently unaware that this is exactly how they trapped Clinton. I’m sure you were deeply troubled by what they did to Clinton.

Robert, you use biblical passages to “prove” that the Jews “killed” Jesus. Here are two of my problems with that story: 1. the Romans had executed tens of thousands this way before this particular execution and they would go on to execute tens of thousands more. The new testament asks us to believe that this one time, a Roman military commander decided to let someone else make the decision??!! and, 2. Roman histories show that Pontius Pilate was actually recalled to Rome for excess brutality. So, I’d like you to consider the possibility that as Romans made Christianity their state religion, they had to come up with a story whereby they were not guilty of executing the subject of their religion.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1330803 Zooey Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:25:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1330803 #177 - Wrong thread! #177 – Wrong thread!

]]> By: Rajeev Vashisht http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1330792 Rajeev Vashisht Tue, 26 Dec 2006 16:17:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1330792 <strong>Some amount of spinning is required for the goods of nations. In India we have a saying that which results in good that lie is worth telling. www.tekno-world.blogspot.com</strong> Some amount of spinning is required for the goods of nations. In India we have a saying that which results in good that lie is worth telling.

http://www.tekno-world.blogspot.com

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1330731 Zooey Tue, 26 Dec 2006 15:59:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1330731 I guess ChildrenofLir is off holding his breath until he turns blue... I guess ChildrenofLir is off holding his breath until he turns blue…

]]> By: BetterThanNoSn http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1330365 BetterThanNoSn Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:52:46 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1330365 When you look at Ms. Darth's track record of right-wingedness, i think she's a bigger neo-con than he is! NO wonder she holds the line so well, all that practice at the AEI. When you look at Ms. Darth’s track record of right-wingedness, i think she’s a bigger neo-con than he is! NO wonder she holds the line so well, all that practice at the AEI.

]]> By: Michael Spinosa http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1330292 Michael Spinosa Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:33:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1330292 Scooter Libby belongs in jail. Here is a person who had lied to FBI investigators and the grand jury more than once. This is a case of the rich and powerful protecting the rich and powerful. What does that say for the American people. Can anyone lie to the FBI and be treated the same way without punishment? I know there is still more to the case but just what has happened up until now is criminal. How would Congress like it if we were all to plea the "Scooter Libby". How would Congress feel if professional baseball players were to say, "I would like to plea the Scooter Libby". When asked what that means, "Its a plea that if I were to lie to you I wouldn't get in trouble, so I plea the Scooter Libby before i give my statement". Do you see how dangerous this can become? Mabye silly but think about it! Scooter Libby belongs in jail. Here is a person who had lied to FBI investigators and the grand jury more than once. This is a case of the rich and powerful protecting the rich and powerful. What does that say for the American people. Can anyone lie to the FBI and be treated the same way without punishment? I know there is still more to the case but just what has happened up until now is criminal. How would Congress like it if we were all to plea the “Scooter Libby”. How would Congress feel if professional baseball players were to say, “I would like to plea the Scooter Libby”. When asked what that means, “Its a plea that if I were to lie to you I wouldn’t get in trouble, so I plea the Scooter Libby before i give my statement”. Do you see how dangerous this can become? Mabye silly but think about it!

]]> By: chichi http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1330242 chichi Tue, 26 Dec 2006 14:07:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1330242 <blockquote>Whatever religion you believe in is your business.I did not say or imply what you suggest at all. If your religion speaks of death I am fine with that.Why would I care- I have my OWN religion OR NOT right? Believe what you believe when you wnat to believe it. Please don`t try to start sectarian violence on a blog. </blockquote> Hey, I don't want to start a violence either. But I like to show you the problem in your logic. <blockquote> Bris- If you do not believe in the Bible,it is fine.If you are wrong in your non belief in the Bible then you will go to hell when you die. Robert-If Bris is right and the Bible is fiction,then you have been duped all this time and when you die you will just be,….well….. dead.</blockquote> We might change it to: Bris - if you do not believe in any religion's doctrines. If you are wrong then you will go to christian's hell, Hindus's hell, Moron's hell or so on ... Robert - you might in Christian's Heaven but sure you'll fall in Jew's hell, Hindus's hell , Buddist's hell or so on ... (and even orthodox christian's hell). If I were you, I'll hope Bris is right. Well in the case;when we die, we all just be dead ... peacefully. ;-)

Whatever religion you believe in is your business.I did not say or imply what you suggest at all.

If your religion speaks of death I am fine with that.Why would I care- I have my OWN religion OR NOT right?

Believe what you believe when you wnat to believe it.
Please don`t try to start sectarian violence on a blog.

Hey, I don’t want to start a violence either. But I like to show you the problem in your logic.

Bris- If you do not believe in the Bible,it is fine.If you are wrong in your non belief in the Bible then you will go to hell when you die.

Robert-If Bris is right and the Bible is fiction,then you have been duped all this time and when you die you will just be,….well….. dead.

We might change it to:
Bris – if you do not believe in any religion’s doctrines. If you are wrong then you will go to christian’s hell, Hindus’s hell, Moron’s hell or so on …

Robert – you might in Christian’s Heaven but sure you’ll fall in Jew’s hell, Hindus’s hell , Buddist’s hell or so on … (and even orthodox christian’s hell). If I were you, I’ll hope Bris is right. Well in the case;when we die, we all just be dead … peacefully. ;-)

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1328853 barfly Tue, 26 Dec 2006 07:24:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1328853 <em>As has been stated many times, the answer will not be found in this world, <strong>but in the next</strong>. </em> Comment by robert — Or not. Perhaps the answer <em>can</em> be found in this world, but as finite beings we do not live long enough to be able to encompass it. Perhaps the answer is to reach for immortality, and when we achieve it, we will have our answer. As religion seems to put roadblocks in the path to finding immortality, and if there is no other existence but what we have and can keep for ourselves, existentially speaking, shouldn't mankind view religion as an impediment to actually "experiencing God" (gnosis)? As has been stated many times, the answer will not be found in this world, but in the next.

Comment by robert —

Or not. Perhaps the answer can be found in this world, but as finite beings we do not live long enough to be able to encompass it. Perhaps the answer is to reach for immortality, and when we achieve it, we will have our answer. As religion seems to put roadblocks in the path to finding immortality, and if there is no other existence but what we have and can keep for ourselves, existentially speaking, shouldn’t mankind view religion as an impediment to actually “experiencing God” (gnosis)?

]]> By: chichi http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1328740 chichi Tue, 26 Dec 2006 06:44:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1328740 #158 <blockquote> Bris and Robert, How about you leave that issue like this. Bris- If you do not believe in the Bible,it is fine.If you are wrong in your non belief in the Bible then you will go to hell when you die. Robert-If Bris is right and the Bible is fiction,then you have been duped all this time and when you die you will just be,….well….. dead. </blockquote> Well, so Hindu, Buddist and other religion believers will go to hell because they don't believe in the Bible? #158

Bris and Robert,

How about you leave that issue like this.

Bris- If you do not believe in the Bible,it is fine.If you are wrong in your non belief in the Bible then you will go to hell when you die.

Robert-If Bris is right and the Bible is fiction,then you have been duped all this time and when you die you will just be,….well….. dead.

Well, so Hindu, Buddist and other religion believers will go to hell because they don’t believe in the Bible?

]]> By: ren http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/comment-page-4/#comment-1328704 ren Tue, 26 Dec 2006 06:31:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/12/24/lynne-cheney-libby/#comment-1328704 I would love to smack that smug look off her face...... I would love to smack that smug look off her face……

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