Naughty And Nice 2006
We’ve made our list and checked it twice…
NAUGHTY: Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA), for attacking incoming Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), the first Muslim elected to Congress.
NICE: Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), for still wanting to be friends with Rep. Virgil Goode.
NAUGHTY: The 109th Congress, for doing nothing.
NICE: The 110th Congress, for promising to work five days a week.
NICE: Nancy Pelosi, for becoming the first female Speaker of the House.
NAUGHTY: The Capitol, for having no women’s restroom in the Speaker’s office.
NAUGHTY: Maf54.
NICE: NetNanny.
NAUGHTY: President Bush, for refusing to see Al Gore’s documentary, An Inconvenient Truth.
NICE: Participate.net, for giving teachers 50,000 free copies of An Inconvenient Truth that “were rejected by the National Science Teachers Association (NSTA) after apparent pressure from Exxon and oil industry advocates.”
NAUGHTY: The 109th Congress, for failing to raise the minimum wage and allowing it to fall to its lowest level since 1955.
NICE: Voters in Ohio, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, Arizona, and Colorado, for raising the minimum wage.
NICE: Fox owner Rupert Murdoch, for not subjecting America to two hours of O.J. Simpson.
NAUGHTY: Fox owner Rupert Murdoch, for subjecting America to a three-hour Bill O’Reilly Christmas marathon.
NAUGHTY: Right-wing preacher Ted Haggard, for buying meth.
NICE: Right-wing preacher Ted Haggard, for throwing out the meth before he used it.
NAUGHTY: Rush Limbaugh, for falsely accusing Michael J. Fox of exaggerating symptoms of Parkisnon’s disease — and then refusing to apologize.
NICE: Michael J. Fox, for speaking out about the need for embryonic stem cell research and not giving “a damn” about Rush Limbaugh.
NICE: Tom DeLay, for engaging Americans by starting a blog.
NAUGHTY: Tom DeLay, for having someone else ghostwrite his blog.
NICE: William Cullen, for inventing the refrigerator.
NAUGHTY: Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA), for using his refrigerator to store $90,000 in cash.
NAUGHTY: The Human Papilloma Virus (HPV), for causing cervical cancer.
NICE: The Food and Drug Administration, for approving Gardasil, the first HPV vaccine.
NAUGHTY: “Experts” at the Exxon-funded Competitive Enterprise Insitutute, who say that “the best policy regarding global warming is to neglect it.”
NICE: The state of
NAUGHTY: Former Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH), for blaming everyone but himself for his legal problems.
NICE: The federal district court, for blaming Bob Ney.
NAUGHTY: Larry King, for never using the Internet.
NICE: You.
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NAUGHTY: George W. Bush for trying to expand his powers under the theory of the Unitary Executive.
NICE: My poem about this, called “The Craving”, which you can find it on my blog by clicking on my name.
Happy Holidays to all, and Merry Christmas to all who only celebrate that. Have a Happy and Prosperous New Year.
December 24th, 2006 at 9:39 amawesome recap here! I see quite a few lawmakers who’ll be getting a lump of coal this year… and others who’ll just be getting a lump on the noggin from their cellmates… ho ho ho!!!
December 24th, 2006 at 9:41 amand others who’ll just be getting a lump on the noggin from their cellmates… ho ho ho!!!
Comment by Pete_Bogs
They’ll be getting a lump all right, but it won’t be in their stocking!
Thank you. I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.
December 24th, 2006 at 9:46 amHappy Holidays to the Think Progress staff and all freedom loving Americans!
Thank God we citizens have the right to vote.
December 24th, 2006 at 9:47 amInteresting how the naughties are predominantly Republicans and Corporate Gluttons, while the nice folkss are Democrats and We The People.
I hope we learn from this and in 2007, put more of the nice folks in charge of the stuff we value.
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(If anyone knows the author of this, please let me know, as I would like to give credit/blame, as due)
December 24th, 2006 at 9:59 amNaughty: Miss Usa partying with Miss Teen Usa.
Nice: Miss Usa making out with Miss Teen Usa.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:04 amSorry, Briseadh na Faire, but the fundies are the ones that started this “War on Christmas” thing. No one will sue you for saying Merry Christmas. The lawsuits are about fundies trying to force their dogma on the rest of us in the form of oppresive ‘morality’ laws and the control of public space.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:13 amFor a person who aligns them self with a party that hates Christmas you sure do pander to the Santa mentality a lot.
You forgot:
Naughty: Democrats for hoping our soldiers lose in Iraq.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:19 amNaughty: Liberals for wanting Islam to take over the west.
(If anyone knows the author of this, please let me know, as I would like to give credit/blame, as due)
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Fantastic!
Note: You might want to have a notary present.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:20 amNAUGHTY: Trolls who mischaracterize liberal positions on things so they can bash them with untrue accusations.
NICE: Liberals who still want to wish them a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to EVERYONE!
December 24th, 2006 at 10:23 amKevin. Why do you have to be so stupid?
December 24th, 2006 at 10:25 amZooey,
I hear you got accepted into college. Congratulations on that and good luck with your studies. Remember, it doesn’t matter where you finish in the class, just as long as you learned something. That’s what counts. Do well!
December 24th, 2006 at 10:31 amNaughty: Democrats for hoping our soldiers lose in Iraq.
Naughty: Liberals for wanting Islam to take over the west.
Comment by Kevin — December 24, 2006 @ 10:19 am
I see Kevin is making up stories for his Xmas Eve celebration tonight. Which he undoubtedly will be spending alone…
December 24th, 2006 at 10:32 amNICE=WE THE PEOPLE AND THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY
NAUGHTY/NASTY=THE REPUBLICANS AND PRESIDENT BUSH THE IDIOT AND DICK ‘THE DICK” CHENEY.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:33 amNICE: To see testimony in the Congress under oath……NAUGHTY: Foley fighting to protect our children from sexual predators…
December 24th, 2006 at 10:36 amDo well!
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Thanks, Wayne! I’ll be having a lot of fun, too, and I think it’s about time.
:-)
You and Jane have a lovely Christmas and a Happy New Year.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:42 amHow about this little gem from the end of the article about no ladies room in the Speaker’s office:
[Pat] Schroeder famously won a spot on the coveted House Armed Services Committee upon her election, only to face the humiliation, along with California Democrat Ron Dellums, an African-American, of being told they’d have to share a chair.
The committee’s chairman, F. Edward Hebert, D-La., explained that, to his thinking, women and blacks were worth half of one “regular” member. Hebert lost his chairmanship two years later in a revolt by younger Democrats.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:45 ami like congressman-elect ellison’s attitude: a sure way to kill the hateful views of someone like goode is to load on the kindness and courtesy: not rolling in the muck with him(goode) is sure to take 10 or 20 years off him.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:58 amMerry Christmas to those who celebrate it.
Happy Hanukah to those who just wrapped it up.
And Happy New Year to those who celebrate that at this time of year.
I just celebrate the end of a great year of changes, a wonderful life with supporting and loving friends and family - and two weeks off from school ! : )
And pass the soy eggnog!
December 24th, 2006 at 10:59 amAnd pass the soy eggnog!
Comment by unbelievable
Oy, isn’t eggnog bad enough already? :P
December 24th, 2006 at 11:02 amNaughty: Pres. Bush and VP Cheney planning to attack Iran after the Holidays and before the Congress gets back in early January 2007.
Nice: They scew up and it does not happen ( We can hope anyways!)
December 24th, 2006 at 11:11 amNaughty-All TP posts and views.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:14 amNice-Conservative bloggers on TP who represent what’s morally and ethically right.
Here’s the “Avenging Angel’s List of Right Wing Evil Doers.”
December 24th, 2006 at 11:19 amNice-Conservative bloggers on TP who represent what’s morally and ethically right.
Comment by Daryll
Vice, Virtue. It’s best not to be too moral. You cheat yourself out of too much life. Aim above morality. If you apply that to life, then you’re bound to live life fully.
–Maude
December 24th, 2006 at 11:19 amHarold and Maude, 1971
for the trolls, heres a nice description of why Virgil Goode is wrong about everything he implies about Muslims in America:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ aziz-huq/ why-virgil-goode-is-so-wh_b_36991.html
December 24th, 2006 at 11:31 amI love that movie, Zooey.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:33 amSaw it @ the Harvard Square Theater when I was 16.
(not the original release. That would have made me 5)
Snuck beers up to the balcony!
Naughty, all of you fools who lack the intelligence to see beyond what all politicians,dems/republicans are playing you!!
Nice,smart people who don’t vote party lines but look at candidates regardless of what the affiliation is!
If Bush is an idiot after graduating with a higher Gp than Kerry,then that makes Kerry an imbecile.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:34 amNaughty: Karl Rove planning personal attacks on DC Democrats, for the New Year, after the new Congress members are sworn in early January.
Nice: Rove gets outed as Gay on CNN ( We can always hope anyways!)
December 24th, 2006 at 11:34 amHi true,
I just that movie for the first time a couple days ago. Zoo Jr saw it, and insisted I had to watch it. I’m glad he did. Like I told Jane the other day, I want to be Maude when I grow up, except for the car stealing and felony eluding thing. :)
Beers in the balcony? I never…I’m shocked!
December 24th, 2006 at 11:37 amNot buying it, Zooey!
December 24th, 2006 at 11:39 am;)
Naughty, all of you fools who lack the intelligence to see beyond what all politicians,dems/republicans are playing you!!
Really? Who could think such a thing?
/sarcasm
Nice,smart people who don’t vote party lines but look at candidates regardless of what the affiliation is!
Frickin’ duh.
If Bush is an idiot after graduating with a higher Gp than Kerry,then that makes Kerry an imbecile.
Comment by Mimi
I’m sure you had a point somewhere in there.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:42 amNaughty: Sen. McCain trying to claim he is a moderate, and decent guy, when actually he is a far right freak and a nasty Bush defending creepo.
Nice: press wakes up to notice McCain is a fraud ( We can always hope!)
December 24th, 2006 at 11:42 amNot buying it, Zooey!
;)
Comment by trueblue
Of course you couldn’t buy the beer at 16… :)
December 24th, 2006 at 11:43 amTrue,
BTW, I did buy beer when I was 16, straight-faced right over the counter. I never got carded until I was 28. Heh.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:44 amnaughty: The Federal Reserve.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:47 amnice: Americans demanding it be abolished.
Naughty: Old Joe Lieberman playing games for Israel in the Senate, as he backs Bush Regime, and promotes sending more troops to die for Iraq oil.
Nice: Joe resigns from Senate and moves to Israel ( Pray he resigns soon!)
December 24th, 2006 at 11:52 amnaughty: The Federal Reserve.
nice: Americans demanding it be abolished.
Comment by johnny
Your goal, johnny?
December 24th, 2006 at 11:53 amNaughty: Ignorant trolls wasting time posting cowardly, arrogant, bigoted tripe.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:13 pmNice: Driving them to an invective rant, then having them banned.
#3 Wayne, the veal sounds good, I’ll have the garlic twice stuffed potato with pine nuts.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:40 pmThanks for the laffs!
Naughty - All the Xian preachers who were caught having:
Gay sex
Extramarital sex
Sex in the front seat of one of their members car(while the members kids were in the back seat, eeewwwww)
Nice:
December 24th, 2006 at 12:44 pmSanta and his elves!
Sex in the front seat of one of their members car(while the members kids were in the back seat, eeewwwww)
Comment by RUCerious
Those poor christianinnies.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:48 pmSex in the front seat of one of their members car(while the members kids were in the back seat, eeewwwww)
I missed that one. That’s disgusting!
BTW, I did buy beer when I was 16, straight-faced right over the counter. I never got carded until I was 28. Heh.
Somehow, Zooey, I’m not surprised….
One of my nicknames when I was 16 was ‘Mom’s Apple Pie.’ (m-sap) Needless to say, I never even tried!
December 24th, 2006 at 12:49 pmOne of my nicknames when I was 16 was ‘Mom’s Apple Pie.’ (m-sap)
Really? I wouldn’t have guessed that one. :)
Needless to say, I never even tried!
Comment by trueblue
Since I’ve been 5′10″ since I was 13, people always thought I was older. When I got carded, I had a 6 year old and baby Zoo Jr on my hip. Go figure.
December 24th, 2006 at 1:02 pmNAUGHTY: Subscribing to the life philosophy that the guy who has the most money wins. The Golden Rule is for losers. Ha! Ha! I’m rich.
NICE: On holiday in France for two weeks. THAT’S NICE, FRANCE TO ALL YOU LOSERS. Life is so grand when you’re rich.
Other than calling Haliburton six times, to see when another million dollar bonus check was mailed, I’m having a wonderful, wonderful holiday.
You Democrats better wake up. Being a Republican is where the money is, dummies!!!!
NAUGHTY: Spending $4,000 a night on hotel accomodations, and lighting my expensive cigars with $1000 bills.
NICE: NICE, FRANCE. Think Progress. Think Republican. Think rich.
P. S. Wake up you dummy. You know you can only afford Motel 6. Darn, It was a nice dream while it lasted.
Happy holidays!
December 24th, 2006 at 1:02 pmJohn
Naughty: Lynne Cheney opening her suck yet again
Nice: Lynne Cheney expiring
December 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pmP. S. Wake up you dummy. You know you can only afford Motel 6. Darn, It was a nice dream while it lasted.
Happy holidays!
–John Gilpins
Maybe they have Motel 6 in Nice, France…? Right….. Maybe Parris, Texas.
Happy Holidays, John!
December 24th, 2006 at 1:10 pmRUCerious,
RU a bigot? UR! UR! I’m gay. I’m here, I’m queer, and get used to it. Get used to it on Christmas Eve. Get used to it all year long.
Just try listing the following under the classifcation: NAUGHTY
Jewish
Black
Latino
Chinese
Japanese
Democrats
AND, AND, AND, AND
NICE:
White
Male
Christian
Straight
Women staying home and not taking jobs from men.
KKK
I suggest you make a New Years’ resolution. Post anti-black, anti-Jewish comments. See how far you get. I don’t think you’ll get very far.
John
December 24th, 2006 at 1:41 pmZooey,
Happy holidays to you, too.
Nice, France may have a Motel 6. When I’m in Nice, I don’t bother staying at a hotel anyway. Part-time Atlanta resident, Elton John, has a home in Nice. Elton is a good, good, good friend of mine and I always stay at his place. Sure! Sure!
I think I’ll stay out of the State of Texas. I guess that kind of rules out Paris. Paris, Texas that is. I’ll write that down as one of my New Years resolutions. That resolution I’ll keep for sure. You can bet the bank on that one. I know I’ll break many New Years resolutions, but staying out of Texas is as good as gold. Staying out of Paris, Texas is as good as gold.
AND, TEXAS IS GOLD TO TOOOOO MANY PEOPLE WE ALL KNOW TOOOO WELL. Oh! Oh! Oh!
At least I was NICE, NICE, NICE, NICE, NICE, NICE, NICE to my self-esteem today. Being gay is not an easy life. This Web site is: THINK PROGRESS.
John
December 24th, 2006 at 2:29 pmThanks TP for another fun read, and well-deserved Kudos for another year of hard work!
December 24th, 2006 at 2:32 pmAs of today, an Inconvenient Truth is the #1 bestselling video on Amazon.ca.
Oh Canada!
December 24th, 2006 at 3:14 pmJohnny Gilpin, my apologies for offending!
December 24th, 2006 at 3:47 pmThe gay sex thing was in the context of the hypocrisy of the preachers condemning while doing.
For you, Nice.
Don’t forget to sell your Christmas stocks on trendio in time http://www.trendio.com/ word.php?wordid=1777&language=en
December 24th, 2006 at 3:52 pmNAUGHTY: The MSM!!
December 24th, 2006 at 4:07 pmNICE:Bloggers!!
RUCerious,
I read your post without viewing it in the context of which you have stated. I do apologize myself. I just equated “naughty” and gay sex as the overall message of your post. In reality, that’s not the message.
I do admit that I am quite sensitive when the subject is homosexuality. When one is different, and that difference is not totally accepted by society, just a minor slight can be perceived as a major slight. I’m not exactly just out of high school, so I have a very, very, very good and long track record of discrimination, insults, slights, and bullying.
Due to my stellar record of being a second-class citizen, I do speak up when I perceive injustice. I hope you can accept my apology.
Happy holidays to you.
John
December 24th, 2006 at 4:34 pmVERY NAUGHTYIf Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson of South Dakota were unable to remain in office because of health reasons, his replacement would be appointed by the state’s Republican governor, effectively returning control of the Senate to the GOP and Dick Cheney.
VERY NICEImpeachment and Jail
December 24th, 2006 at 4:38 pmJohn Gilpins,
One sentence of your post really bothered me. “…second class citizen…”
I am so sorry that some in this society treat you differently, however, never let it get into your personal thoughts.
I live in MA, where marriage is currently equal for all.
I’m proud of that distinction.
You will never be “second class”.
You are a fine human being.
Happy Holidays.
December 24th, 2006 at 4:50 pmtrueblue,
Thanks so much for your support.
At times, I wish I lived in Massachusetts, or the Northeast. However, I do like where I live: Atlanta, Georgia. Atlanta is very liberal, but the suburbs are not nor is the State of Georgia. Atlanta is an island of liberalism in the State of Georgia.
Weather-wise, I would have a hard time adapting to the Northeast. For the past two weeks, the temperatures here have been in the mid-60s. Several days, it’s been in the 70s.
Life is a struggle for everyone. Everyone is dealt a hand of cards, and you play them the best you can.
You’re a first-class person.
Happy holidays to you.
John
December 24th, 2006 at 6:19 pmHappy slappy Christmas and Holidays.
Question: How does a Representative become minority speaker of the house. eg: How did Pelosi become minority speaker before she became majority speaker. Was it based on tenure, or was it a vote?
My Goper in laws want to know. So far its friendly…
December 24th, 2006 at 9:49 pmTruth,
Since the Dems took the majority in November, Pelosi was nominated by the Dems and unanimously elected as the Speaker-elect. These days tenure in the House is a driving force in who gets nominated. I think it was the same for her minority position, probably less formal.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:03 pmThank you my friends.
Should I sing a Christmas song?
Away in a manger?
Twas the night before Christmas?
It was the night before Christmas,
and all through the house,
not a creature was stirring,
not even a louse.
The stockings were hung,
by the chimney with care,
in hopes that St. Pricklous,
will so be here.
Mom in the whore house,
Dad smokin’ crack,
I settled down,
for a nice peice of ass.
Then outside I heard such a clatter,
I jumped from my chick to see what was the matter.
Uh, it gets bad, you get the idea…
December 25th, 2006 at 1:03 amOh and the Goper in-law feedback was: “The reason Nancy Pelosi was nominated was to get people ready for a female (Hill’reh) President. They are very afraid.
Merry Christmas, and just have a great experience all around.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:10 amSince I’ve been 5′10″ since I was 13, people always thought I was older. When I got carded, I had a 6 year old and baby Zoo Jr on my hip. Go figure.
Comment by Zooey
Maybe you looked like an innocent babysitter?
December 25th, 2006 at 1:47 amMerry Christmas!
To rewrite Wayne A. Schneider’s comment in #11
December 25th, 2006 at 1:51 amNAUGHTY: Trolls who mischaracterize liberal positions on things so they can bash them with untrue accusations.
NICE: Liberals –and especially Wayne A. Schneider–for taking the high road and still wanting to wish them a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
He Knows if you are sleeping, He Knows when you’re awake . . .
December 25th, 2006 at 7:52 amMaybe you looked like an innocent babysitter?
Merry Christmas!
Comment by Lora
Totally sweet! Thanks, Lora.
Merry Christmas!
December 25th, 2006 at 10:29 amJaded Prole,
That’s a frickin’ scary t-shirt!
December 25th, 2006 at 10:32 amkaty-51.
them thars fightin’ words.
December 25th, 2006 at 11:20 amthe omnipresent one might see them.
katy-51.
them thars fightin’ words.
Comment by just sayin’ — December 25, 2006 @ 11:20 am
“bring it on”…
wow, the two of us in the same place… that’s gotta confuse… heh…
…
December 25th, 2006 at 12:48 pmshe won’t get a chance to see them fightin’ words until after she gets to spend time with all her wonderful friends,family and students;particularly the 16 yr.old boys.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:09 pmHey you two — Settle! :)
No family fights on Christmas. Do I have to break out the peppermint schnapps? Or rubber mallets?
Solstice has come and gone, so there’s a little more sun every day. That’s something to be happy about!
December 25th, 2006 at 1:49 pmugh! NO peppermint schnapps! NO!
(short version: drunk on p.schnapps on 25th b-day… sitting on the curb puking before midnight… just the thought… ugh…)
and, ok… that was all from me about that anyway…
casserole in the oven and getting ready for the family time now…
i am one of 8 with lots of grandkids… a whole house full of trolls…
needless to say, there is no talk of politics - the few times i was able to hold my own and cast a few zingers, no one tries me any more…
ho ho ho…
December 25th, 2006 at 2:11 pmHeh, katy. Doesn’t everyone have a peppermint schnapps story? Except me, of course, but I’ve heard a lot of them. :)
I’ll be spending christmas days with the wingnut family, too. They are all very patient with me. :P
Just checking in while I wait for the men to get ready. Have a nice day anyway!
December 25th, 2006 at 3:24 pmnaughty: hypocritical know-it-all TP commenters posing as progressives while denouncing the thoughts and faiths of others and crying about a perceived oppression…
Comment by katy — December 24, 2006 @ 2:47 pm
For someone who claims to detest me so much – you sure do talk about me a whole lot. LOL Actually, it’s even funnier coming from the person who once told me that the ‘bigger person’ would just ‘let go’ of a disagreement I was having with Seixon – and then chided me when I didn’t take your advice. Seems you like giving unsolicited advice you cannot take yourself, katy. LOL
Bottom line – there are a lot of liberals here who bash organized religions and god beliefs. I’m the only one you take an exception to. Why? Basic psychology. I don’t like you, therefore you need to vilify me (by assuming a tone to my posts that is neither implied by my use of punctuation or grammar, nor realistic or true) to feel better about my disapproval of you. You never debate this issue with facts – just emotions and some perceived patronizing right to treat me this way. You can deny it all you want – but it is obvious in your actions. And actions do speak louder than words, katy.
As long as you don’t bother me – I just ignore you. But, you can’t even do that. And when I call you on it – as I told you I would do – you feign being the victim of my harassment. LOL.
So, take your own advice and let it go. Otherwise, you simply prove that you are getting in return that which you gave out. It is the nature of the universe:
“For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction†—Isaac Newton
December 26th, 2006 at 8:19 amthem thars fightin’ words.
the omnipresent one might see them.
Comment by just sayin’ — December 25, 2006 @ 11:20 am
As long as people like you oppose me, I know I have nothing to worry about.
judge not lest ye be judged katty.
Comment by Shut Up Already! — December 25, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
As long as people like you supprt me, I know have nothing to worry about.
I know I once told you to knock it off - thinking that once things settled, katy would too… But it seems you ere right and I was wrong on that. Sorry. You called it like it was (I think it’s been close to a year already). Sad, huh? She can’t let go that I don’t like her (which she is validating).
December 26th, 2006 at 8:23 amIf unbelievable had a problem with katy, she’d say it over her real name without hesitation.
Comment by Zooey — December 26, 2006 @ 12:12 am
Just like post 83? :)
I think we all have people who follow us around. It’s one of the negatives of being a regular, I suppose. Someone who doesn’t know you turns you into someone they either love or hate, and then thinks they have the right to act upon it.
I had a student last semester who excelled at everything, so I gave him the honor of ‘Student of the Semester’, which is presented a month before school is over. I was shocked at the way other students harassed him. One actually started throwing pushpins off my bulletin board at him… Strange what people will do. Truly strange…
December 26th, 2006 at 8:36 am#66 Lora, Thank you. And may the holidays bring to you all the joys and blessings you seek.
December 26th, 2006 at 8:59 amHey, Zooey, thanks for the mention! It bothers me, too, when there’s infighting here. While I can certainly be a bitch to trolls, I’d rather not be to our friends.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThanks, Jane! :)
December 26th, 2006 at 12:52 pm#89 Do “husbands” count the same as “friends”? :-)
December 26th, 2006 at 12:55 pmI know you don’t agree with me on this, but I believe it’s important that we not participate in arguments among ourselves. It weakens all of us.
Actually, I do agree. But as I’ve maintained - I ignore her posts that are not about me. She just cannot reciprocate and has to bash me at regular intevals. By saying nothing in return, I am agreeing that she is correct (that is our culture). As long as she leaves me alone, there is no problem. But I won’t tolerate it when she does.
My wish for the New Year — starting now — would be that all of us, when tempted to strike out at one another, give the other person the benefit of the doubt and move on — without responding.
Comment by Zooey — December 26, 2006 @ 10:33 am
If left alone and not personally insulted (regardless of political affliation), you’ll get your wish from me. The problem is, I don’t control what other people choose to do.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:15 pm#91, more or less!:-)
December 26th, 2006 at 1:25 pmWhile I can certainly be a bitch to trolls, I’d rather not be to our friends.
Comment by JaneESchneider — December 26, 2006 @ 12:43 pm
I haven’t seen you be a bitch to anyone Jane. Not really. There are very few people whose posts I read that way, I guess. Most people tend to do the best they can, so until the caps lock goes on, and the insults come out - I tend to read everyone’s comments without malice.
Friends wouldn’t treat me as these people have done. And, just because someone claims to be a liberal, I don’t automatically consider them a friend. Friendship is something that is a special title for people who treat you with respect. Those I call friends tend to be lifelong ones for a reason.
I’ve just had enough of the personal attacks, and my goal is simply to make it unpleasant to do so - with the hope that it will eventually stop. It’s not that hard to skip someone’s posts if you don’t want to hear what they have to say about a subject.
Let’s hope 2007 is a better year for everyone.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:26 pmThe problem is, I don’t control what other people choose to do.
Comment by unbelievable
But you control what you do, and that’s all I can ask of any of us.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:28 pmJane,
You wrangle Exley. That’s above and beyond the call of duty. :-)
December 26th, 2006 at 1:41 pmBut you control what you do, and that’s all I can ask of any of us.
Comment by Zooey — December 26, 2006 @ 1:28 pm
Yes, and I’ve made it clear what I will do left alone, and what I will do if insulted. And I’ve stuck to that. Unfortunately, it hasn’t been a two way street. When it is, we won’t have this conversation anymore…
December 26th, 2006 at 2:04 pmLet’s hope 2007 is a better year for everyone.
Comment by unbelievable — December 26, 2006 @ 1:26 pm
Amen to that!
You wrangle Exley. That’s above and beyond the call of duty. :-)
Comment by Zooey — December 26, 2006 @ 1:41 pm
Hmmm…define “wrangle” ;-) Exley’s not as obnoxious as most of the trolls, and besides, he’s a fellow Mets/Jets fan. I can’t stay mad at him.
December 26th, 2006 at 2:07 pmUnbelievable==With all due respect,and no malice intended,I still contend that you authored the ‘Shut Up Already !’ post.
Though your style was altered,the content and terminology is clearly yours.
If not,can you please tell us who would come to your defence in such a virtually identical manner as yours==especially since,up to that point,your name had NOT BEEN MENTIONED.
It would seem to me everything written before the ‘Shut Up Already !’ post would be INNOCUOUS to anyone except the percieved offended.
So, if not you;then who?
December 26th, 2006 at 2:38 pmExley’s not as obnoxious as most of the trolls, and besides, he’s a fellow Mets/Jets fan. I can’t stay mad at him.
Comment by JaneESchneider
You obviously haven’t been on the receiving end of Exley’s insistence that one is attracted to him, and that is one’s sole purpose for ever responding to him. I’d say that’s obnoxious! :P
December 26th, 2006 at 3:35 pmZooey, I’m guessing Exley doesn’t do that to me with Wayne hanging out here. Besides, I believe I’ve already mentioned that I’m 50+ (just hit 51 less than 2 weeks ago), and, while I still feel and act 18 or so, guys are going to assume that I’m past flirting age (if flirting is what he thinks he’s doing with you!)
December 26th, 2006 at 3:49 pmjane and zooey
my naughty bits dangle for you both.
December 26th, 2006 at 4:00 pmJane, I just turned 47 and Exley knows that. He wasn’t flirting with me, he was patronizing me — like he does everyone — but in a really icky way. Fortunately, he gave that up — unless he reads this, then his suspicions about my attraction to him will be confirmed, in his own mind. :-)
December 26th, 2006 at 4:02 pm#87
December 26th, 2006 at 4:43 pmYou’re welcome, Wayne. My best wishes to you and Jane, too.
And may the trolls like Kevin, MA, Tracy, Exley, Jason MH, happyguy, etc. find some new talking points in 2007. The results of the November election should have indicated that fear and smear tactics like equating opposition to Bush with support for Al Qaeda and/or the Taliban is no longer working on most people. (It never worked on me in the first place.)
I wish I could wish you a troll-free New Year, but I doubt that such people will actually start reflecting on all the damage the Bush administration had done and go away. But Happy New Year, anyway!
Unbelievable==With all due respect,and no malice intended,I still contend that you authored the ‘Shut Up Already !’ post.
Couldn’t have been me. I wasn’t home yesterday.
Though your style was altered,the content and terminology is clearly yours.
Similar minds think alike. Plus, we all write in the same font. I’ve been accused of being other people before who are logical debaters. I don’t know what to tell you.
If not,can you please tell us who would come to your defence in such a virtually identical manner as yours==especially since,up to that point,your name had NOT BEEN MENTIONED.
A regular who knows the history. She didn’t have to mention my name. We all knew who she was talking about. It’s a routine thing she does. Stick around a while and you’ll be able to see it yourself.
This person has dones this before. Sometimes in my defense and sometimes about other things.
I don’t know who it is.
It would seem to me everything written before the ‘Shut Up Already !’ post would be INNOCUOUS to anyone except the percieved offended.
Not if you knew the history.
So, if not you;then who?
Comment by Rodney King — December 26, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
I don’t know. I can’t tell people apart when they use different names. Except maybe Zoo doing the Yenta thing…
Besides, the flaw in your logic is that I did address her as myself. I clearly have no problems doing that.
December 26th, 2006 at 5:26 pmkaty-51.
them thars fightin’ words.
the omnipresent one might see them.
Comment by just sayin’ — December 25, 2006 @ 11:20 am
“bring it onâ€â€¦
wow, the two of us in the same place… that’s gotta confuse… heh…
Comment by katy — December 25, 2006 @ 12:48 pm
she won’t get a chance to see them fightin’ words until after she gets to spend time with all her wonderful friends,family and students;particularly the 16 yr.old boys.
Comment by just sayin’ — December 25, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
After your post, Katy, you did this little reinforcement of the fact that you were referencing me. If your weren’t, you would have said so.
Sheesh… Could you have been any more obvious? (Nope).
December 26th, 2006 at 5:57 pmunbelievable and katy,
Try to remember the profound words of George W. Bush who said, “I believe the human being and fish can co-exist peacefully.”
I’ll leave it up to you two to decide which is which. :-)
December 26th, 2006 at 6:29 pmUnbelievable:
If you will remember correctly,when you accused Katy of being me (just sayin’), she was no where to be found for days.
True,this (just sayin’) was an imitation of Katy,but,indeed,was not Katy.
The interplay above,between Katy and myself,was between two different posters.
And while I’m here,let me agree with the others about you writing # 76.
And to say you weren’t home,so you couldn’t have written # 76,is just plain laughable.
just sayin’ ,and not Katy.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:24 pmAnd ask yourself this;if Katy was going to have a convo. with herself,under two different names,she wouldn’t have made the type the same style. At the very least not side by side.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:34 pmTry to remember the profound words of George W. Bush who said, “I believe the human being and fish can co-exist peacefully.â€
We were at war with fish? Hmmm… I didn’t know that :)
I’ll leave it up to you two to decide which is which. :-)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — December 26, 2006 @ 6:29 pm
Depends on who is whose dinner : )
December 26th, 2006 at 9:44 pmAnd while I’m here,let me agree with the others about you writing # 76.
Considering your character, your opinion means so much…
You’re wrong about everything, so why not this as well.
And to say you weren’t home,so you couldn’t have written # 76,is just plain laughable.
No it isn’t. People do spend the night at other people’s houses.
just sayin’ ,and not Katy.
Comment by just sayin’ — December 26, 2006 @ 9:24 pm
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
I don’t believe you.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:48 pmAnd ask yourself this;if Katy was going to have a convo. with herself,under two different names,she wouldn’t have made the type the same style. At the very least not side by side.
Comment by just sayin’ — December 26, 2006 @ 9:34 pm
Your logic is astonishing… No really (rolls eyes)…
Go away.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:50 pmIf it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
December 26th, 2006 at 9:58 pm(this should be part of #123,I’m not good at cut and paste like Katy, or Unbelievable, for that matter)
….”like a duck…”
One could say the samething about you and # 76.
And while you’re at it,explain what staying at someone else’s house at NIGHT,has to do with you writing # 76 at 4.pm in the afternoon.
I know you mean something totally different by the name ‘unbelievable’,but Lady,you do lie and distort.
December 26th, 2006 at 10:13 pmChrist Katy, knock it off. Stop with your obsession.
December 26th, 2006 at 10:59 pmLadies,
Please stop the bickering with each other. You don’t have to like all your fellow liberals/progressives/left-of-the-center independents. Please save your energy for taking on trolls (when you’re in the mood) and criticizing this administration, etc.
It was around Christmastime last year that I, in fact, told a man I had met at some Democrat fundraisers to stop contacting me, because of his extremely rude behavior towards me once I couldn’t manage to fix him up with a divorced friend of mine, whom he found attractive. But our spat has not been made public–at least on my part. (I don’t call this making it public now, because none of you knows his name, city, etc.)
Even if you find some of your fellow liberal/progressive posters here obnoxious, you could spend your time more wisely on positive matters and enjoying the holiday season.
And to Zooey,
I’ve been late in corresponding to you about your college acceptance. First of all, congratulations! Secondly, my mother dropped out of high school to elope with her first husband. She later graduated from junior college at age 49, once I, her youngest (and from husband #2; at that time she was with #3), was in junior high. I’m sure you will do alright, too.
Happy New Year, everyone!
December 27th, 2006 at 2:36 amHappy New Year!
Ps. I forgot to add that Mom graduated from Jr. college with honors!
December 27th, 2006 at 2:37 amThanks, Lora!
I really appreciate your well wishes, and thank you for telling me about your mom’s experience. Every now and then I think I’m absolutely nuts for doing this, but then someone like you offers such kind encouragement, and I’m more determined to move forward.
Happy New Year!
December 27th, 2006 at 9:25 am#120 unbelievable,
I saw the words “co-exist peacefully” and it reminded me of that actual Bush quote. Of course I have no idea what he was talking about, but I think it had something to do with conservation issues (or, the Republican version of “conservation”, which is to hunt and fish as much as possible.)
Anyway, I was being silly which, as long-time posters here know, I have been known to be from time to time. Like others, I am troubled by our own in-fighting. I won’t take sides because I haven’t gone through all the discussions on all the threads over the past few weeks in order to get all the facts. I just want peace on Earth.
Happy New Year to everyone (in case I don’t hear from you again), and best wishes to all for a healthy, reasonably prosperous new year.
And may all the people on Earth enjoy Peace.
December 27th, 2006 at 9:35 amZooey,
December 27th, 2006 at 9:49 amWhen in Japan, I recall seeing something on TV about a man who had succeeded in running some chain stores within a certain region–not quite nationwide–and who decided to enter college when he was about 90. As a unique character, he was quite popular with his classmates, but unfortunately, didn’t live long enough to graduate. (I think the university issued a posthumous BA, anyway.) Compared to him, you are just a youngster. So please enjoy it!
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December 27th, 2006 at 11:22 amLooks like Katy has earned her troll dollars today by derailing what was a perfectly nice social thread…
December 27th, 2006 at 10:30 pmAnyone who is trying to accuse another poster of being more than one person needs to post the code and IP addresses. Otherwise it’s all just hearsay.
But what else can we expect?
SKdeA
I guess you didn’t notice ‘unbelievable’ accuse Katy of being me.
And you seem to have skipped right over the similarity of #76 and the handiwork of ‘unbelievable’.
December 28th, 2006 at 3:15 am