President Bush has not accepted “the realities
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Uh, has dimwit dumbsh*t accepted ANY reality?
December 25th, 2006 at 1:16 pmDUHbya hasn't accepted the "realilties of how bad (he) is on the ground..." anywhere!
December 25th, 2006 at 1:18 pmSo what next? Hagel's another senator with presidential aspirations, and this can be viewed as nothing but political triangulation. When it counts, he's been as much a rubberstamp as the rest.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:21 pmClearly he has not yet faced reality! For the last two years all realiable opinions have said that more troops will not help. It's now too late. This is a civil war.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:22 pmAccepting 'realities' is one thing..acknowledging 'responsiblities' is another...
December 25th, 2006 at 1:31 pmAmazing that 1 person can drive the world into chaos and alienation. One person hell bent on his vision of division and divine right.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:32 pm2972 dead up to 24th Dec
How ironic would be the 2974 on Christmas day
December 25th, 2006 at 1:48 pm"Amazing that 1 person can drive the world into chaos and alienation. One person hell bent on his vision of division and divine right."
Even more amazing that it should be such an unremarkable person.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:48 pmChimpocalypse Now.
-GSD
December 25th, 2006 at 1:53 pmEven more amazing that it should be such an unremarkable person.
Comment by Glenn Becker
You have hit the nail on the head, Glenn B.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:55 pmPresident Bush has not accepted “the realities of how bad it is on the ground in Iraq.â€
It's funny to use the words "president" and "Bush" in the same sentence.
It's frickin' hilarious to use the words "reality" and "Bush" in the same universe.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:56 pmDubya is a dry drunk living in a delusional world, surrounded by those who who agree with his insanity to the bitter end. Serving and enabling Dubya is the sole purpose of the cabal surrounding Dubya the drunken AWOL in the White House.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:01 pmThis line from the article is depressing:
“I'm not quite sure he fully appreciates the incompetence of what's gone on."
Look at that passive construction. The incompetence has gone on? How about the incompetence of his staff and planners and himself?
Using passive voice is a standard way to distance responsibility and action.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:04 pmI've always been conflicted by this idea...
Are President Bush and the Neo-Cons behind him insane, or see causing more problems in the Middle East as a good long term strategy for staying in the region?
One can't help but be a conspiracy theorist in a situation like this.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:14 pmTalk about your Holiday weekend news dump.
The only people that are ever going to read about this are right here on TP or just got a copy of the NY Times for Christmas.
Wheeeeeeeee....
December 25th, 2006 at 2:15 pmGeorge W. Bush=Mental Illness personified. Definately.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:15 pmBush is a weaselly, overinflated, glad-handing frat boy whose only skill was faking sincerity on camera. Had the Republican power brokers who put him into power actually intended him to lead the country, they would have looked for a proven business leader. But, since their only goal was to loot and pillage the government and our laws, Bush has met their expectations.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:22 pmBush has not snapped out of his DTs for the last 6 years.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:27 pm
This is goddamn theater people! How long are we gonna have this same conversation?
December 25th, 2006 at 2:28 pm“Amazing that 1 person can drive the world into chaos and alienation. One person hell bent on his vision of division and divine right.â€
Actually it is not amazing at all, nor uncommon. In my relatively short lifetime as compared to the civilized world it has happened twice with a lot of wannabees. DUHbya is just emulating his role model and mentor--albeit they never actually met. Adolf attached the Jews, DUHbya supports the Radical Right Christians. There is no difference. And DUHbya came by the association naturally as it is a fact that his fore-fathers of two or three generations supported Hitler. DUHbya should meet the same fate.
December 25th, 2006 at 3:29 pmHey Clyde, it isn't just one person, its the character of a imperialistic society.
December 25th, 2006 at 4:33 pmThe White House on Winning and Losing in Iraq:
"I believe that we’re going to win."
President Bush, December 20, 2006.
"We're not winning, we're not losing."
President Bush, December 19, 2006.
"Absolutely, we're winning."
President Bush, October 25, 2006.
"We are losing."
Former Bush Secretary of State Colin Powell, December 17, 2006.
"No, sir."
December 25th, 2006 at 4:50 pmDefense Secretary nominee Robert Gates, asked if the U.S. is winning in Iraq, December 5, 2006.
I agree with many of the posters. Mental illness must be in the equation.
Sadly, by New Year's Eve the number of fallen soldiers may be over 3000. Yesterday, I think six soldiers died.
This entire war is a complete disaster. I think the billing of this war should be: IRAQ WAR/MURPHY'S LAW WAR. Anything that could possibly go wrong HAS gone wrong. The likelihood of a favorable outcome is almost zero.
You don't run a marathon if you're not in shape, because you're not going to cross the finishing line. We're not going to cross the finishing line in Iraq, because we weren't in shape. WE'VE HIT HEARTBREAK HILL, and the race is over.
George W. Bush is rich. If Dumbo was running a marathon, and pooping-out on Heartbreak Hill, he would simply hire bodybuilders to carry him over the finishing line. Money, power, and influence can buy many things: love, elections, and even not serving time in Vietnam. However, money can't buy a favorable outcome in an ill-conceived and poorly executed war.
George has lived in a dream world his entire life. When he failed in the past, someone was always there to bail him out. Sorry George, no one is going to bail you out this time--not daddy, mommy, Laura, Jeb, Jim Baker, or even God (?). You made a big mess in your pants--big time, and no one can clean it up.
Wake up, President George W. Bush. The stinking, pile of doo-doo just keeps getting bigger. S**T CAN HAPPEN WHEN YOU'RE CAUGHT WITH YOUR PANTS DOWN. If you wish, we can spend trillions on pooper scoopers, but it's all for naught. Sending in more troops is for naught.
Thirty-thousand more soldiers is FOR NAUGHT, BECAUSE THIS WAR CANNOT BE BAUGHT--blood-wise and money-wise.
John
December 25th, 2006 at 4:52 pm"You made a big mess in your pants and no one can clean it up."
I forgot! Mr. TURD BLOSSOM can clean it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah! Good luck, Mr. Turd Blossom.
Maybe you can exhange your Chia Plant present for a pooper scooper at Wal-Mart tomorrow. Just make sure it's a big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big pooper scooper.
John
December 25th, 2006 at 5:13 pmHappy Chrsitmas Dr Dre
December 25th, 2006 at 5:18 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcOchTvzZAg&eurl=
# 24 Mr. Billy,
You are absolutely right. One man cannot create all the chaos in a literal sense but in the metaphorical sense the assumption has merit. DYHbya, as an incompetent, ignorant, probably marginally insane individual could not and cannot accomplish anything as evidenced by his life story. He is not even a catalyst because that implies some influence. He is nothing more than his favorite-- a pet goat. Adolph Hitler didn't crate Nazi Germany, Nazi Germany created Adolph the same way Neo-con Republicans created DUHbya.
December 25th, 2006 at 5:28 pmLil Lep; sorry you did not eat as well, I was not trying to rub it in. In my family, it is a traditional meal.
December 25th, 2006 at 5:33 pmTo all...It's apparent that Bush is a moron, and he probably believes what is feed to him, but to think that his policies are of ill design would be tragic. Instability in the Middle East is the goal. The prize is a puppet Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, and Iraq to control the oil, and it's people. The ultimate goal is to destabilize China.
This move for world domination started long ago, and we are just seeing the fruits of that endeavor. If anyone still thinks that 9/11 was perpetrated from a cave in Afghanistan, and 4 airlines where allowed to fly for up to 1.5hrs without intervention while under hostile control are fooling themselves. This was a staged event to usurp the remaining barriers that have hindered this New World Order. Long ago the NWO has seen that their agenda wouldn't be popular so needed a way to remove that threat. This happened on 9/11 (Northwood’s document, PNAC, REX 84, HR6166...).
The only way to stop this is to engage people that this is happening, and to be understanding that people want to hold on to the belief that America could never do this, that this president knows something more then we, and he is fighting the "enemy" for the best interest of all free people.
People should look at the John W. Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2006 (PL 109-364), The Act "has a provocative provision called 'Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies'," the thrust of which "seems to be about giving the federal government a far stronger hand in coordinating responses to [Hurricane] Katrina-like disasters," Jeff Stein, CQ National Security Editor wrote December 1, 2006.
"But on closer inspection, its language also alters the two-centuries-old Insurrection Act, which Congress passed in 1807 to limit the president’s power to deploy troops within the United States ... 'to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy'," Stein wrote.
"But the amended law takes the cuffs off" and "critics say it’s a formula for executive branch mischief," Stein wrote, as "the new language adds 'natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident' to the list of conditions permitting the President to take over local authority — particularly 'if domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order.'"
"One of the few to complain, Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt., warned that the measure virtually invites the White House to declare federal martial law. ... It 'subverts solid, longstanding posse comitatus statutes that limit the military’s involvement in law enforcement, thereby making it easier for the President to declare martial law,' he said in remarks submitted to the Congressional Record on Sept. 29
December 25th, 2006 at 7:03 pmDEART WORLD:
AMERICA IS BEING HELD HOSTAGE BY A DEMENTED CHIMP.
S.O.S.
-GSD
December 25th, 2006 at 7:08 pmUnfortunately, he has not accepted the harsh reality of the mandate of the american people either whose support of him and his policies has dwindled to an all-time low!! He needs to be reminded that he "works at the pleasure of the american people". If he continues to disregard the people's mandate to move out of Iraq immediatley, then he needs to be impeached by the people. In January, everyone needs to begin writing to the press, their reps, and anyone in government pressing for his impeachment. He's already indicted himself by lying repeatedly to the american people which is an impeachable offense. Then there's Conyer's list of "impeachable offenses" which is now mountainous to follow up on from there....Let's send the Impeachment message to Congress - LOUD & CLEAR!
December 25th, 2006 at 7:12 pmEVERY NEW LAW OF THIS ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO BE OVERTURNED BECAUSE IT EXONERATES WRONGDOING AND POTENTIALLY CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR BY THIS GROUP OF CON-ARTISTS.... AND THE CHIMP NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED!
December 25th, 2006 at 7:13 pm*
Hopefully something positive will come of this in the end.
The world has gone mad : (
December 25th, 2006 at 7:52 pmLil, Veritas
Bush has accepted one reality: HIS FRIENDS ARE REWARDED WITH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
I just read an article on the net, and Hurricane Katrina fraud in going to be in the neighborhood of 2 billion dollars. That is not a misprint--$2,000,000,000.
Bush's friends, in high places, have gotten all of the governmental contracts without any bids, while minorities received only 1.5% of the contracts. This is absurd in a city that is largely black--New Orleans.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL THE MULTIMILLIONAIRES--BUSH'S FRIENDS. What will it take to get Bush out-of-office? Friends, theives are at work stealing OUR money. Sooooooooo many people are getting rich, and it's obscene. Without a doubt, this is the most corrupt administration in the history of our country.
I'm willing to pay whatever it costs for a full accounting of where 2 billion dollars has gone. I want names and addresses. We need to track these people down. These looters have their hands in the vaults at Fort Knox, and they're not going to get away with it.
Tell me, what's the difference between poor blacks looting stores after a natural disaster, and rich folks looting the vaults at Fort Knox? None! None! The only difference is that the poor blacks have to tote the merchandise on their aching backs, while the millionaires drive away in BMWs and Mercedes with their suitcases stuffed with money.
The next time Fox has cameramen shooting footage of poor blacks looting stores after a natural disaster, I want them shooting footage of rich folks looting the vaults at Fort Knox. Why not?
Some rich Democrats should dangle 5 million here, and 5 million there under a few peoples' noses. Big bucks will start a few conversations about what's really, really, really going on in this country. I want to know what's going on. The graft and fraud is a big story.
The Jeff Gannon story is strange. A nobody doesn't ask the President of the United States questions without a journalism background. A nobody just doesn't walk into the White House without signing in and signing out. A nobody just doesn't sleep at the White House night-after-night. Obviously, some people know quite a bit and they are not talking. I suggest 5 million might get a few people, in the know, talking. Five million would sure have me talking. I'd be talking non-stop. A cool $25,000 a minute would be wuuuunderful.
THE LOOTING OF FT. KNOX IS ALMOST AS WORSE AS HURRICANE KATRINA.
John
December 25th, 2006 at 9:20 pmHey John,
In writing that "the Jeff Gannon story is strange", and I would add Bush kissing him on the lips after the State of the Union address on primetime TV was a small glimpse into the hypocrisy of this closeted president. Jeff Gannon was a regular at Bohemian Grove, servicing those NeoCons that use homosexuality as a wedge to divide the electorate.
I truly believe that these people don't believe themselves to be gay, but instead treat it as a kind of "prison sex" power dominance over other men. These people belief in satanic rituals to achieve power and dominance very similar to the Third Reich. Male prostitutes visiting the Whitehouse during the 80's was rampant. They just found a way around scrutiny by issuing press passes and day visits to inner core slumber parties. Rumors that Turd Blossom is called "Miss Piggy" in the private gay clubs in Wasington....how do like that visual? Enough to make you sick. It's too bad that good people that are gay have to to be the beacon for all this hatred.
December 25th, 2006 at 10:16 pmIf George Bush goes through with his “troop surge,†he will be digging his own grave. He will not be impeached, but I believe he and Dick Cheney will be forced to resign before the end of 2007.
Why do I believe this? First, his troop surge will not quell the violence that is consuming Iraq. The tactics of roadside bombs, car bombs, suicide bombers, and mass kidnappings and killings of civilians are non-confrontational tactics. They are tactics created not to confront the American forces head-on. A motivated population can employ these tactics no matter how many troops or security forces patrol the streets. Couple the escalating violence and deaths of our soldiers along with the new Democratic investigations that will expose the fraud, waste and incompetence of the Iraq War and the American public will be outraged. We will see growing national street demonstrations demanding impeachment regardless of what the “adults†of the Democratic Party think.
If this administration goes through with the troop surge plan, it will be ignoring the Iraq Study Group and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Both of these groups are at the heart of the mainstream Republican Party. As the death toll for Americans rise during the first half of 2007, it will be quickly realized that this surge isn’t working. No Republican Congressman or Senator who is up for re-election in 2008 will support Bush. By this time, the Democratic investigations will have uncovered enough that Articles of Impeachment can be drafted. With the help of a Republican Party realizing they don’t stand a chance in 2008 if they continue to support Bush, the “grey suits†of the Republican Party will meet with Bush and Cheney and offer them two choices: resign or be impeached. Cheney will resign first for health reasons and Bush will pick a “caretaker†Vice President acceptable to both the Republicans and Democrats. Within eight weeks after naming this new Vice President, Bush will resign.
This is not a fantasy but a real scenario we will see played out in the next ten months. It will be the first time in American history that both a President and Vice President will resign and a fitting end to the worst presidential administration to ever govern our country.
December 25th, 2006 at 11:19 pm#43:
Executive Orders, Martial Law.
To share my opinion with You I have a question:
Why would a president that has amassed more power
than any other president in the History resign?
Because of a public opinion?
No it's the other way around.
Wait until January and You will see why this is the last
Christmas for a long time You can celebrate in freedom.
BTW:
December 25th, 2006 at 11:51 pmWhy would anybody call something 'Freedom Towers'?
Didn't they rename the 'Freedom Fries' back to 'French
Fries'? Will the 'Freedom Towers' be called 'French Towers' someday?
22 minutes ago
December 26th, 2006 at 12:19 amBAGHDAD, Iraq - The U.S. military death toll in Iraq has reached 2,974, one more than the number of deaths in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, according to an Associated Press count on Tuesday.
I’ve always been conflicted by this idea…
Are President Bush and the Neo-Cons behind him insane, or see causing more problems in the Middle East as a good long term strategy for staying in the region?
Comment by Deniz Yeter
This question would be best asked of some of the trolls like MA, Kevin, Tracy, Exley, happyguy, Jason MH, but they seem--not surprisingly--to have disappeared for this one.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:28 amANd are the Dems doing anything any different than Bush. Even after a mandate to stop the war the dems continue to fund and support the war. Why is ThinkProgress silent on the Iraq/Iran war issue now? The current build up in the Arabian Gulf indicates Bush and company are planning to attack Iran (ergo Scott Ritter) and the Dems are silent.
How can the Dems continue to support the war and think they have the people's support?
December 26th, 2006 at 12:34 amWhere are the plans for withdrawal from the DEms.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:49 amInstead the Dems vote for more appropriations for the war, and are silent on the IRan situation. DO the Dems really believe they can get away with complicity with Bush in widening the Iraq war to include Iran. Are the Dems bought and paid for by the AIPAC lobby too? Is there no one in Congress who represents the wishes of the American people?
LL
December 26th, 2006 at 12:50 amYet as the dems savor Bush's ass on the line, more and more American soldiers and Iraqis die for nothing. How can the dems countenance that?
LL
I don't think waiting for being sworn in is an adequate excuse for their silence. Hilary and Obama have already been campaigning, with not a word about IRaq, while Kucinich plays the stalking horse again, but will he withdraw at the last minute after gathering votes he makes a disappearing act and turns his supporters over to the contender. I don't trust Kucinich to follow through. I'm looking for a Dem with guts and conviction to stand up and stop the war. And I don't see any.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:53 amThank God for the brave men and women who volunteer to protect this country. Because of their great sacrifices we are able to sit in the comforts of our homes on Christmas night while they fight. 2974 have died so far and each one of them has more guts than everyone here combined. I feel safe knowing that we have so many willing to give the ultimate price to keep us safe.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:53 ammandolin
December 26th, 2006 at 12:59 amgo to hell
LL
December 26th, 2006 at 1:02 amYou're full of crap. TO say there is no way the Dems can do anything is bull. IT's the same old lame line - we can't do anything gee too bad bs -- and i'm sick of it. The Dems are gutless and unless they get up off their fat overpaid asses and do something, they will be voted out too
That seems kind of harsh ChildrenofLir. This is my first time on this website and I've been reading for about 30 minutes and I thought that out of all this discussion no one has thanked these guys for their sacrifices. Even if you don't like the war, surely you can appreciate how brave these soldiers are. I wish I was brave enough to go across the world and die for my country.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:07 amLL
You wish you were brave enough to go across the world and kill innocent people for god damned reason --
You need to grow up
December 26th, 2006 at 1:09 amChildrenofLir,
Were you this impatient with the Republican Congress, to fault them before they even took office?
Where was your voice when the towers fell, that you did not rush to blame the Republicans for their failures in protecting America?
Your song is not the beautiful song of the true Children of Lir, but the hoarse grunting of an ill-tempered boar.
Why do you seek a plan from the Democrats, when Bush still reigns as the Commander in Chief? Should not He be the one to lead us? What victory has His plan brought us? What successes have we seen? What fruits have His plans brought forth?
Do not confuse Corporate Media's refusal to publish certain views as silence on the part of those who voice their dissent.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:10 amMandolin
I'm sick and tired of ignorant people getting all soppy over soldiers dying far away while doing NOTHING to prevent the soldiers from having to go fight a stupid worthless war in the first place.
So don't go feeling all patriotic on the backs of real people dying in a really worthless war just so you can feel ALL GOOD INSIDE>
The war isn't about you. Call Narcissists anonymous if you need support.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:11 amI didn't know soldiers were over there killing innocent people. All of my friends that returned from the war said they were building roads and bridges.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:15 amLL
LL = Sorry I must have mixed you up with Mandolin.
Even so. I still ask you -
When did you ever hear John Edwards or Barack Obama ever say they would stop the war in IRaq.
Especially Obama - whenever he 's presented there's never any mention of issues - does anyone know where he stands on any issue other than the safe ones like minimum wage>
Nothing. THe guy hides behind a smile and good looks. And the Dems think that's going to work? No way. The Dems are going to have to talk about the issues. And I don't think any of them have the guts.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:16 amBNaFaire
As usual you put words in people's mouths to stop them from bringing real discussion to the Democratic platform. Out of one side of your mouth you vociferate against Bush, but out of the other you pander to the same politicos who hide in Dem clothing.
You are the kind that keeps the Democratic party in the control of the power brokers. Under the song of righteousness you cloak the Democrats from having to do anything real.
Don't quiz me about where I was during 911. Quiz yourself. And ask yourself why no ourtfront Democrat yet has even asked Bush why he was reading Goat boy stories while the twin towers were demolished.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:20 amChildren of Lir,
to the extent that you wish Bush's Wars to stop, we are in agreement. However, I do not believe you accept the realities of politics, and the length, breadth, and depth of Corporate Ownership of America. If the Democrats are indeed going to prevail against this beast, great care must be taken. The Corporate oligarchy owns the media, thus can sway to a great deal public opinion. Did you not witness the spin immediately after the November election?
Did you not see how the Baker Commission report was trashed, and the discourse immediately changed to increasing troop levels?
Did you not read Leverette's original article, the one which formed the basis for the op-ed piece the Bush White House censored?
If you are a Democrat, have you left your home to join any anti-war protests? Have you spoken with Cindy Sheehan? Have you run for public office? If not, why not? Why look to someone else to carry your flag? Why don't you become the very person you seek?
December 26th, 2006 at 1:24 amLL
Your pseudo logic is sad - that's the best you can argue for a candidate's position
'
That they have the least baggage (whatever that means) therefore they would be the two most likeely NOT to have anything to lost by stopping the war is so perversely sad it doesnt' even bear further discussion
If you were trying to sell a product on that reasoning you would be out of a job because no one would buy that kind of convoluted nonsense.
What it amounts to is -- these guys are NOT willing to say anything definite about anything -- so the hell with them. They are gutless and useless.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:28 amFrom Now On.................
December 26th, 2006 at 1:29 amAnyone with a swagger..................
Cannot be President.............
B Na Faire
I have met with Cindy Sheehan. I have hugged her. Have you? My son is the same age as her dead son. My son almost joined the marines with his buddies just as her son joined the army to be with his buddies. So don't lecture me about what i've done.
And don't make excuses to me about the "length tnad breadth of corporate ownership"
because you know as well as I that the Dems are into the corporate ownership just as deeply as the Republicans. You have only to look at the American Enterprise Institute roster to know that the Dems and Repubs are all in there at the elite level carving up the world.
So don't lecture me about the Dems and how delicate everythign is and how they just have to wait for the right time and then they'll do the right thing. I've been around too long and I know that's bull.
They are paid well to do the bidding of the power elite. And they don't have the guts to do the right thing. Yet they want to pretend that they represent the right thing. Well I am not fooled. And many more like me are not fooled.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:33 amChildrenofLir - I am neither Republican nor Democrat. I would as soon see a party rise up comprised of both "red" and "blue," a purple party, if you will. A party not beholden to Corporate interests. A party not funded by the priviledged few. It is possible. But things haven't gotten bad enough to shake the masses from their complacency. The November elections were a start.
I, for one, will wait and see what the Democrats will do with their majority status. Right now, by all appearances, they are holding their cards pretty close to their vest.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:37 amI once hugged Steven Segal...
Just throwing that out there
December 26th, 2006 at 1:38 amLL
December 26th, 2006 at 1:40 amI'm looking at the Dems, and I don't see anybody, and that' why i'm blogging here tonight. I listen to Kucinich and I read the alternative media, and my sense is he's a stalking horse again. He goes out in front and draws all the anti war people into a corner and then he disappears and hands over his people to the Dem that wins. And I'm not going for that game anymore. So right now I'd have to say I'll vote for Nader again. And I'll keep voting for 3rd parties and maybe someday we'll have a viable third party and the Dems won't be able to get away with PRETENDING to be an opposition party while SELLING OUT their constituents at the same time.
Mandolin
December 26th, 2006 at 1:41 amYou're a liar
BNaFaire
I disagree with you about things not bad enough to shake the masses from their complacency. I think that's one of the myths that the power elite Dems included likes to float out there, that Americans just don't care.
Yet this past election, the people spoke, and they spoke loudly
ANd the Repubs and Dems are ignoring what they said. The people said - get out of IRaq now.
Yet the power elite - Dems and Repubs refuse to do that, and refuse to even discuss it -
How dare Obama, Hilary, or any of the Repubs not even discuss Iraq.
Where the hell do any of them get off even making a speech without taking a stand.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:46 amNo, seriously. He smells like a woman.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:47 amLL
How can you vote for Clinton Obama when Hilary is for a military buildup in Iraq and Obama has nothing to say about anything. What kind of politicians are they?
See LL, you are too young to even know what to demand of a politican.
At least I learned during the Vietnam war to demand that politicians say one way or thte other -- and as the old song goes
"Which side are you on?"
That's the question that needs to put to every Dem.
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU ON?
December 26th, 2006 at 1:48 amLiL Leprechaun, I would be willing to consider a Boxer and Obama ticket, in any order.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:53 amLL
How about these names
Peoples Revolutionary Party of the US
December 26th, 2006 at 1:54 amPeople United Against Imperialism
People United Never Defeated
People for Peace
People Against War for Profit
People Against War Profiteers
People Against Lying Politicians on the Take
People For Freedom for the Many not just the Rich
You guys should definately run Boxer for President. I know it will make election season a lot easier on us.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:56 amChildrenofLir
perhaps you were unaware of this:
Press Release of Senator Boxer
Boxer Says Administration has Failed to Respond to Voters' Call for Change in Iraq Policy
Tuesday, November 21, 2006
Boxer's petition demanding an exit strategy from Iraq drew 107,218 signatures
I signed the petition. But a google search of: barbara boxer petition, indicates that it received little or no attention from Corporate Media.
And yes, I've met Cindy Sheehan. And hugged her. And I played the bagpipes at last year's State of the Union protest in D.C. for Casey and all the other fallen troops.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:56 amBNaFaire
Where would Boxer/Obama stand on the issues
And don't tell me how they would strategically be the best.
Tell me how their stand on issues would be good of the country.
You can't because they don't stand anywhere on the issues.
All they talk about is strategy. Like somehow the American people are so stupid they would vote for someone just cause he's the most likely to win. That's such a disgusting argument in a time of war and death I can't even begin to say.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:57 amBiden should be the next president because he has the most international experience and Hillary sucks.... he will hang Hillary's war record around her neck and show Obama has no experience what so ever....
December 26th, 2006 at 1:58 amIt should be President Joseph Biden and Vice President Charles Hagel;
That might be the only thing to get congress back together and our country back together, And show the international community that we aren't a bunch of screw-off's anymore, we are ready to get down to the business of diplomacy and working together to take the world back from the abyss.... They can do it,,,,,We can do it.....
LL
You think Hilary wants to build up to get out. Oh you are a poor lil child who believes all kinds of nonsense.
Go back and ready your history books before you believe that kind nonsens.e
December 26th, 2006 at 1:59 amGet these men a job at the DNC!
December 26th, 2006 at 2:00 amthis might make a viable alternative:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_and_Freedom_Party_(United_States)
December 26th, 2006 at 2:00 amBiden
December 26th, 2006 at 2:00 amHe's another faker hiding behind his fancy suits. No guts.
Well for one thing, she calls on Kissinger as her proof - that alone makes my skin crawl
But my question to you is -
Why has she said there will be no discussion of impeachment?
President Bush lied to Congress on Iraq WMD. As a result of those lies, Congress gave him war powers and appropriate funds for his war on terror.
On that basis alone, he should be impeached and removed from office.
Since then hundreds of thousands of people have died as a result of the Iraq war.
Pelosi can make all the speeches she wants trying to sound like an anti war candidate. but when push comes to shove SHE DOES NOTHING.
December 26th, 2006 at 2:03 amBiden called it from the start that the country should split into separate factions and have a central government and then they voted for the same resolution within the Iraqi government,,,Stuuuuuppppiddddd...
December 26th, 2006 at 2:06 amChildrenofLir - the only thing that comes through in your posts is anger. How can you seek peace if all you feel is anger?
To seek peace, you must become peace. That's a great deal about what this day is all about....celebrating the birth of what many call the "Prince of Peace."
Meanwhile, discussing the corporate ownership of the Republicans and Democrats does not address the root issue. Can you tell me what that is?
December 26th, 2006 at 2:06 am"Pelosi can make all the speeches she wants trying to sound like an anti war candidate. but when push comes to shove SHE DOES NOTHING."
Comment by ChildrenofLir — December 26, 2006 @ 2:03 am
You don't know jack Sh!t....Pelosi is going to let the committees take the investigations where ever they go.....and then impeach you schmuck....
December 26th, 2006 at 2:11 amBNaFaire
You know nothing about peaceful protest.
Peaceful protest means peaceful confrontation. It doesn't mean avoid confrontation. It means confront the violent people, and bring out their violence.
So when I confront you, you first resist and say I know nothing. Then you try to tell me I'm just misunderstanding you. And then you resort to saying I'm angry, and that somehow being angry is wrong and I should become peaceful and love the Dems who are lying to me.
You are full of it. FULL OF IT.
Yes I'm angry. And anyone who isn't angry is a damn fool or duplicitous in the con.
So which side are you on BNaFaire. I don't think we are on the same side. I think you are on the side of the power elites. I don't think you are on the side of the 'good' guys.
December 26th, 2006 at 2:11 amLL
December 26th, 2006 at 2:12 amWait and see
Tell that to yourself in a month when Bush has bombed Iran with the consent of Congress and that includes ALL the Dems. Don't give me that about wait and see. That's just crap. And there is no more time or room for people who speak nonsense.
"Tell that to yourself in a month when Bush has bombed Iran with the consent of Congress and that includes ALL the Dems."
Comment by ChildrenofLir — December 26, 2006 @ 2:12 am
He is going to bomb without congress for sure know-it-alll...
December 26th, 2006 at 2:14 am"All the dems"...
What's the vote going to be A$$Hole....?
December 26th, 2006 at 2:21 amWhat is the vote going to be to invade Iran?
How Many "Dems" are going to vote to go to Iran?
Give us the vote count or SHUT THE F#UCK UP......!!!!!!!!!
"You are full of it. FULL OF IT.Yes I’m angry. And anyone who isn’t angry is a damn fool or duplicitous in the con.
So which side are you on BNaFaire. I don’t think we are on the same side. I think you are on the side of the power elites. I don’t think you are on the side of the ‘good’ guys."
Comment by ChildrenofLir — December 26, 2006 @ 2:11 am
You are so high on yourself it makes me so sad because your energy could be used to build connections with the very people we hate and get them to realize and awake to the problems there are, I'm sorry to rail you but you are just going off here and I feel I have to check you.;l..,.Chin up, cause your a good person....
December 26th, 2006 at 2:29 amYo, LiL Leprechaun,,,, this isn't fantasy football....
December 26th, 2006 at 2:31 amYeh, but you have it planned like 15 games out what the playoffs are going to look like... what the hell:'/.....:)
December 26th, 2006 at 2:40 am"I like double scoop ice cream cones, when the house majority leader is the cone........"
December 26th, 2006 at 2:44 amPower would be great if the senate wasnt virtually fifty fifty
we are so beyond power and then we have to come back to that stupid problem of power.....
We are Fu#ck3d ...... We are about to lose the "war on terrorism" because our preside3nt couldn't keeep his pants on when it came time to take a giant piss on the middle east....
Wish I had a reason to even give a sh!t anymore....
December 26th, 2006 at 2:54 amRules of 2007....(lets begin)
1) "You cannot declare that there is progress in any country especially Iraq unless "2/3's" of media sources say that also(that includes economy ,stability, and every other category"
2)Frank Luntz will be banned to a deserted Island for the rest of his life and will be restricted to no contact with human beings for the rest of his life(and keep no records or written files on his thoughts or ideas to contaminate the rest of humanity)...
3)Party's will be asked on the outset of every interview of what they stand for and will be held to account for their hypocrisy if they deviate and squirm.......
.....(there is no definite order here so please add the rest cause I have to go to bed.....) I really respect you all and may you have good health at the very least, for the new year,,,,,
December 26th, 2006 at 3:13 am#
Rules of 2007….(lets begin)
1) “You cannot declare that there is progress in any country especially Iraq unless “2/3’s†of media sources say that also(that includes economy ,stability, and every other categoryâ€
2)Frank Luntz will be banned to a deserted Island for the rest of his life and will be restricted to no contact with human beings for the rest of his life(and keep no records or written files on his thoughts or ideas to contaminate the rest of humanity)…
3)Party’s will be asked on the outset of every interview of what they stand for and will be held to account for their hypocrisy if they deviate and squirm…….
…..(there is no definite order here so please add the rest cause I have to go to bed…..) I really respect you all and may you have good health at the very least, for the new year,,,,,
Comment by ren — December 26, 2006 @ 3:13 am
December 26th, 2006 at 3:19 amBush has never been in touch with ANY reality... Why would he start now?
December 26th, 2006 at 8:16 am36 Ways the US is losing War in Iraq
http://www.antiwar.com/utley/?articleid=3234
December 26th, 2006 at 8:24 amBush hasn't even accepted the reality that he is just a recovering junkie.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:39 amHagel just now figured this out? Or is he finally bold enough to say it. Is he running for president? Is this pre-campaign rhetoric?
December 26th, 2006 at 10:27 amI have not agreed with much that Hagel has said in the past, but at least he has earned thr right to say it, being a Vietnam combat vet. Maybe it takes some reality-based combat experience to recognize combat realities.
Sorry Dubya, being an AWOL NG fly-boy partier doesn't qualify!!
December 26th, 2006 at 10:31 amI find it extremely fascinating how "one person could tank an entire country" particularly when that country calls itself a "democracy" and would like to become a model for the rest of the world as such. How, in a true democracy, one man (the wrong man, as it turns out, due to tampered elections) who is simply labeled as "commander in chief" (nothing more than a pedestrian CEO) has amassed such personal power to overturn laws which have been in effect for decades, overtly and cavalierly admits to spying on it's citizenry, lies to the people to engage the country in an amoral, illegal war, has bankrupted the country financially and continues to bring it to "third world status" with each passing day, and still is not considered a "tyrant" or a "dictator"???? Maybe I am missing something in my definition of a democracy but it fails to make logical sense to me that this wrong man, sitting in a position of respect and honor which he has tarnished internationally thus reducing the reputation of this once-great country to that of heinous occupiers and war mongers, is still marching on as he tramples the very constitution which made this country what is once was.....To him the constitution is a piece of toilet paper - means absolutely nothing and he has, singlehandedly, abolished every last right of the people within this democracy. How have we allowed this despot such power? How have we enabled this man to accomplish all of this regression in 6 short years?
It's because the american people have been in a state of denial - not only about who we are but the obvious hypocrisy of our actions. It's because we knew the election of 2000 was stolen right out from under our eyes, but "pretended" that everything was Utopian because, after all, we are the United States of America - a once-great and powerful country.
It's because Americans daily were fed lines of total propaganda and, by the time we realized one lie, the next lie and heinous action was reaching the fore....we barely had time to digest one debacle before another was surfacing and on and on the snowball tumbled down the mountain....until the snowball became a mountain unto itself, which it presently is.
For those of us keeping a daily diary of the chicanery, pure nonsense, and shenanigans of this administration in it's corruption, lies, deceit, and overt theft of the treasury of this country, it may be time to write a book or move to a foreign country - or both. It's obvious that the economy is being propped up by Big everything: BIG OIL, BIG PHARMA, BIG INSURANCE, BIG WAR PROFITEERING....and the average citizen is struggling to pay the heating bill this Winter. It's clear that there will be a recession soon (housing market tanking is a HUGE indicator of the accurate state of the economy) and perhaps even a depression.
Will it soon be time to take our hard-earned dollars and do as our forefathers did - stash it under the nearest mattress?? It certainly IS time to revisit the concept of 'TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION' as this abysmal failure of the outgoing congress sold the country to the highest bidder without any regard for the middle class citizenry. It was done once and was dubbed "The Boston Tea Party"....I wonder what a current day Tea Party might look like? Not paying taxes would certainly get the attention of the haughty bureaucrats in washington.....Perhaps with the total erosion of every last one of our constitutional rights, this is all that the american people actually have left to voice their disgust with the way this country is being run..
The people will give the incoming Congress a few weeks to get their ducks in a row but if the investigations into the level of corruption we see now in Washington is not squelched and knocked down immediately, they, too, will become "complicit" and the american people will form a third party - thus doing away completely with a 2 party system which no longer works in this country....it's long overdue!! Beware Dems: The people want investigations galore, then indictments, then impeachment in all of the highest places of criminal activity in this country. The people intend to settle for absolutely NOTHING LESS!
December 26th, 2006 at 10:38 am...Or drinks. lol.
December 26th, 2006 at 10:47 amThis one wears the markings of a troll:
CoL first railed over the "fact" that Democrats had not spoken out against the war since the November elections.
I posted Boxer's letter, which had been ignored by Corporate Media. CoL dismissed her letter and petition because of one reference to Kissinger.
You are right, CoL. We are not on the same side. You employ much of the same tactics as McCain's new communications director. You rail against the Democrats before they are able to act, yet give the Republicans a free pass for all they have done to destroy this country.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:00 amRice's Iraq comments are breathtaking - Moore
December 26th, 2006 at 11:09 amResponding to Condoleezza Rice's comments that Iraq is 'worth the investment' in American lives and dollars, UK Liberal Democrat Shadow Foreign Secretary Michael Moore MP said: "The Iraq Study Group report ought to have been a reality check for the US administration."
#135 - Briseadh na Faire,
Having just read all that crap, I think you're right.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:16 amCoL's tactic seems to be a new one they're trotting out.
#136 INSANE -
Exactly!! What has SecofShoes Rice ever had to sacrifice? She is as much af anenabler and bullshit Artist as the rest of the Bushco regime.
And she is getting her financial fill at the military-industrial teat, just like Darth, Rummy and Pudeboy Rover.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:18 am#137 - Zooey, Happy Post-CHristmas to ya!!
And last week CoL was ranting against all war, and those that might have fought in them. Kind of a mixed bag of ideas and concepts going on here. Trolls can be SOOOO interesting, like taking the back off a $7 transistor radio and seeing all those wires and transistors, with no real pattern to them.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:22 amVis-A-Vis "Puppet Condi's" recent inconsiderate and absolutely mercenery statements about the loss of lives being "worth it", I ask the obvious question: "worth what, Condi, dear?? " We have absolutely nothing but failure to show for this year which is tanking this country economically and it's lack of a valid rationale to destroy another country is coming back to bite us on the proverbial butt....not to mention the 600,000 innocent Iraqis dead - caught in the crossfire and the flagrant destruction of a country not our own, I simply ask this of our deluded and ignorant, Secretary of State: When you take your huge egomaniacal head out of your rather large butt, please answer the obvious question to the american people following your most ignorant statement to the press to date: What is it that we've accomplished which makes this war worth "anything"?? Perhaps Condi needs to enlist herself to serve or offer up one of her relatives to the service and then she can experience some small degree of empathy.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:25 amSo, we have reached the symbolically-important number of dead servicemen matching the number killed on 9/11. I'm sure Olbermann will mark its passing, and perhaps even Mathews. But a true measure of how far we've come will be seen on network TV tonight. Will the networks have some sort of war retrospective, coming as it does (the war dead number = 9/11 dead) when networks traditionally look back at the events of the past year? It would seem a natural: Democrats take control of House and Senate largely through dissatifaction with the war, and the casualties of that war matching the number killed in the original attacks on 9/11. Fox will ignore it, naturally, but it would add some flavor to an otherwise thin network gruel of canned clips and rehashed rhetoric.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:26 am#22 Thanks for the url....it's a fascinating read entitled "Is Bush Nuts?". I fear so but not in the obvious way the term is loosely thrown around in washington these days. I fear it is serious psychiatric disease known as Bipolar Disorder/Schizophrenia whose hallmark is often auditory hallucinations (aka hearing voices). Typically, in the most acute cases of this disease, the afflicted hears "the voice of God". I shudder to read this excerpt because his documented use of hearing the voice of God telling him to engage in criminal behavior is textbook of this disease. Ted Bundy, et al also heard the voice of God telling them to destroy people! How long will the intelligent people and qualified physicians (psychiatrists) in this country allow fear of repercussion to stall them from taking the necessary action to help this man? He's obviously struggling with alcohol, drug use and serious psychopathology and is not receiving the help he so desperately needs. Impeachment may be his only way out - and will certainly save face versus stepping down. The only fortunate part of this disease (for him) is the fact that they are so out of contact with reality that they rarely have enough insight to see what their reputation actually is nor the consequences of their wrongdoing.
I believe it's "beyond time" for the medical experts to insist on an evaluation of this leader before his disease takes down an entire country.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:32 amTrolls can be SOOOO interesting, like taking the back off a $7 transistor radio and seeing all those wires and transistors, with no real pattern to them.
Comment by upside00
Except some of the wires seem to be a bit loose... :)
Did you have a nice holiday?
December 26th, 2006 at 11:36 amZooey - I did, and have the 4 extra pounds to prove it!!
And as they say - "Loose wires sink Liars"
December 26th, 2006 at 12:02 pmSecretary of State Condoleezza Rice told The Associated Press on Thursday that Iraq is “worth the investment†in American lives and dollars...
This, from a person who had an oil supertanker named after her....
December 26th, 2006 at 12:35 pmThis, from a person who had an oil supertanker named after her….
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
I hope that empty vessel sinks -- and the supertanker, too.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:40 pmWhere are the plans for withdrawal from the DEms.
Instead the Dems vote for more appropriations for the war, and are silent on the IRan situation. DO the Dems really believe they can get away with complicity with Bush in widening the Iraq war to include Iran. Are the Dems bought and paid for by the AIPAC lobby too? Is there no one in Congress who represents the wishes of the American people?
Comment by ChildrenofLir
I agree ChildrenofLir. The first thing out of that bought and paid b*tch Pelosi's mouth was, I will NOT seek impeachment. What the f*ck is that all about?? :(
December 26th, 2006 at 12:58 pmI didn’t know soldiers were over there killing innocent people. All of my friends that returned from the war said they were building roads and bridges.
Comment by mandolin
Are you f*cking delusional!!!
December 26th, 2006 at 1:03 pmMandolin you didn't really say that did you. Let me tell you something, it's people like you that throw a fu*king sticker on your SUV and say dumbass sh*t like that. How are troops; forced to go to Iraq over and over again somehow making me more safe? I have been with this group for a long time and haven't seen one post putting down the troops. They put down the policies that lead us here. Do you know the odds of getting killed in a terrorist attack are above 547,500,000,000 to one. now lets look at the amount of troops dying in Iraq:
American Deaths:
Since war began (3/19/03): 2979
Since "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/03) 2842
Since Capture of Saddam (12/13/03): 2513
Since Handover (6/29/04): 2113
Since Election (1/31/05): 1543
American Wounded Official Estimated
Total Wounded: Official: 22235 Estimated: 23000 - 100,000
All of this for a war that had nothing to do with Terror, Osama, or anything other then oil. And if you believe that 9/11 was even a terrorist attack then you haven't looked at the facts. 9/11 was a staged attack to get people like you to drink the koolaid.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:48 pmComment 133. Comment by veritas, you rock. Great post.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:56 pmI have to agree as well. If anyone in this group thinks that the Democrats are going to turn it around for the American people your wrong. I write in progressive, liberal, and conservative (don't confuse paleo-conservative with PedoCons) blogs. All of us have one thing in common, and that is a hate for GWB. What I try to do is to inform paleo-conservatives of losing the bill of rights and the constitution under this supposed self proclaimed conservative. I'm a "progressive" or "reformist" in the true literal meaning. Change needs to happen quick, or we are going to loose our freedoms and become a police state. Liberals believe that change needs to happen over a period of time. Conservatives don't nbelieve in change, but when change is thrust upon them they get pissed.
December 26th, 2006 at 10:18 pmI think Bush is represents the mentality of MOST americans to a tee
December 27th, 2006 at 11:00 amUnfortunately, facts do not depend on what George Bush accepts or does not accept. Wishing and praying, though a useful task when one is completely helpless, is not working in Iraq and should not be a US President's primary connection to reality.
December 27th, 2006 at 4:15 pmJTitor,
Jeff Gannon is in a state of denial. I looked at his political Web site several weeks ago. I guess his Web site is being funded by right-wingers. If he's not in therapy, he should be.
He still has his ***********ad on the net. I guess he's a Christian? I think the ********** ad states that he's in his 30s when he's actually 49- years-old.
Rabid, fervently homophobic homosexuals should be classified as a psychiatric disorder. Being homophobic is not a psychiatric disorder, nor is being homosexual a psychiatric disorder. But when the two coexist together, it's an odd, odd combination. Just like a Nazi Jew is an odd combination. A gay televangelist is an odd combination.
What's so disturbing about many of these Republican closet cases, is that they want to deny homosexuals a love life. They seem not to be interested in love; they're interested only in pure raw sex. Apparently to them, romantic love would be unthinkable. They're the "bad gays." The "good gays" desire romantic love.
John
December 28th, 2006 at 7:06 amJohn G.
December 28th, 2006 at 9:49 amI haven't looked at Jeff Gannon's male escort website in well over a year. However, my memory is that in addition to lying greatly about his age, he was also calling himself an ex-Marine, though, in reality, he has no military experience.
IMPEACH AND INCARCERATE - No pardons for Dubbie or Dickie, and a trial in the Hague for Donnie. Condi can slink back into obscurity, and whore herself on the board of an oil company instead of on CNN.
If the gop mafiosi are not shown, unequivocally, that they cannot serially violate the constitution in their maniacal and disgusting quest for power, they'll just do it again and again, as the did in the 60's, 80's and are now. They must be deterred. Obviously, a few token prosecutions and resignations are an acceptable "cost of doing business" for them. Punishment of the most severe order is what they prescribe for their opponents, so let's let them get a full taste of it for once - maybe that will get them to represent their constituents with some semblance of decency, and disabuse them of the notion they are ordained by God to rule the entire planet.
I'm getting tired of watching them pull the same tired old shit over and over and over, without suffering the due consequences. Will we forever forget, just a few years after they're out of power, what kind of sleazy bastards they are - watergate/nixon was forgotten and we got ronnie ray-gun.....iran/contra was forgotten and we got Idiot-ass Jr.. Enough already! Throw these fudgepackers in jail, and give all their money away, and make their kids go out and fend for themselves in the world. The loathing of inherited privilege was a big piece of what started this country - let's get back to those core values and rid ourselves of the neo-aristocracy we've allowed to flourish.
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