Fox News Pundit: Civil War In Iraq Is ‘Positive,’ Shows America Is ‘Winning’
Fox News Pundit: Civil War In Iraq Is ‘Positive,’ Shows America Is ‘Winning’
Today on Fox News’s Your World with Neil Cavuto, guest host Stuart Varney tried to “put out something positive about Iraq.” He suggested that since Iraq is “now fighting itself,” America is “in a way, winning and preserving our interests.” Watch it:
As the conservative Washington Times notes, a “fullscale civil war in Iraq would likely spread into neighboring countries — something that happened time and over the past century” — and would “conservatively speaking create hundreds of thousands of additional refugees — who would become an additional pool of recruitment for jihadists.”
Transcript:
STUART VARNEY: Well, let me put out something positive about Iraq, if I may for a second. Look, we took the fight to the enemy. We divided the enemy. The enemy is now fighting itself. America’s interest is surely being well-preserved and well-protected. We are in a fact, in a way, winning and preserving our interests.
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well sure… ok… why not…
December 29th, 2006 at 6:56 pmwheeeeee!
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This might be the single most foolish comment ever made on the air by a man who claims to be a professional working journalist.
Stuart Varney — I had thought he died a while ago; maybe that was just his frontal lobe …
December 29th, 2006 at 6:56 pmThat’s like saying smoke is good for the air because less people will end up breathing it.
December 29th, 2006 at 6:57 pmWe are in a fact, in a way, winning and preserving our interests.
Aside from the fact that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 (I cannot read his comment “we took the fight to the enemy” in any other way), I always though that “winning” meant to have a stable, democratic Iraq or something along those lines.
But this is Bushworld, where war is peace and a loss is a win. My head hurts from all the spin…
December 29th, 2006 at 6:57 pmWTF!!! So mr. Fox news pundit, Iraqi people are the enemy of america. I thought it was the crazy anti america, anit Islam group called al queda?
December 29th, 2006 at 7:03 pmStuart Varney is another Republican is wonderland. Do any of these freaks live in the real world ?
December 29th, 2006 at 7:03 pmremember the fox news headline awhile ago: Civil War in Iraq: could this be a good thing?
The War Profiteers have been eager to declare WWIII, or IV, or V for some time now. They’re all for protecting their interests, no matter how many innocent lives are murdered.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:05 pmthe ‘F’ word news station just out did their own stupidity
December 29th, 2006 at 7:06 pmThe birth of Varneism on Fox network..
December 29th, 2006 at 7:07 pmThis is why Fox news ratings are dropping. Turns out there’s kind of a point of diminishing returns on this bull. Most people have heard enough.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:08 pmThey must be smoking some REALLY good shit at Fox, where can I get some?
December 29th, 2006 at 7:12 pmFox is pure crap.On the imminent Saddam Hussein execution, they quote Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International on theformer crimes of the dictator, but they do not show HRW & AI calling not to support death sentence, more evident in this case where no international observers or lawyers were admitted during the trial, a deliberatedly flawed trial.
Cavuto is just a ramdom preprogrammed android.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:13 pmI used to like Neil Cavuto(on CNBC) and Stu Varney (CNN). These guys are financial journalists. But now they are complete jerks. They have business talking about world affairs or politics as they are ill-equipped to handle it. But this is Bizzaro world of Fox; US media is incompetent at best.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:14 pmWhat a very Sick Nation
December 29th, 2006 at 7:18 pmI’ll go with war profiteering, it’s about these good ol’ boys’ making the money.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:19 pmThe “enemy” is fighting itself…WTF??? This has got to be the stupidest comment I have heard in a while…
So, if I’ve got this right, the average Sunni and the average Shite in Iraq are the enemy….I must have missed the Fox News Alert that clarified the orgin of the hi-jackers…I thought they were from Saudi Arabia…oh, this just in….King Abdullah of Saudia Arabia has GW Dumbass in his pocket…
Ok, the hi-jackers were from Iraq….the enemy IS fighting itself….
Thank you, newspeak, thank you.
In a cave somewhere in northern Pakistan, there’s a pissed-off 7-foot Saudi Arabian hooked to a dialysis machine ranting about the Iraqis getting credit for his handy-work.
I wish Cheney would go hunting with a mirror.
Remember folks, we go to war with the Secretary of Defense we have, not the Secretary of Defense you want or wish to have…ahhhh, screw it….these guys make my spleen hurt (sorry Chris Simms).
December 29th, 2006 at 7:20 pmFormer Iraq President to hang by 10:00 PM EST
December 29th, 2006 at 7:21 pmHang Man,
Hang Man,
Wait a little while,
December 29th, 2006 at 7:23 pmI think I see my brother comin’
ridin’ a many mile…
I think the caption under Varney’s silly face says it all:
“Saddam’s Impending End, A Relief for Wall Street?”
Stu Varney later closed the show with these profound words:
“Know whadda mean, Vern?”
December 29th, 2006 at 7:26 pmHe is completey right. Keep the country under civil war finishing embassy, military bases and running oil business. At least, these a-hole didnt hold anything back. Could it be possible to get two ropes in Saddam´s hanging?
December 29th, 2006 at 7:27 pmAbout the hanging: This sends a message to all US allies nowadays. So nobody is safe: allies or enemies can suffer the consequences.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:29 pmI can see now how Fox news Pollutes the heads of trolls and the remaining 33% of americans that support Bush
No European Country would televise such Bloodthirsty Racist Remarks ..
December 29th, 2006 at 7:30 pmJuan C I think I prefered Marco he was a much nicer side of your split personality
December 29th, 2006 at 7:31 pmAnd No Juan C
The worst thing is that it’s an issue which, in an ideal situation, should have unified Iraq but the Americans have succeeded in dividing the Iraqis.
For Bush, Blair and their diminishing brotherhood of diehard supporters, Saddam’s demise is their sole concrete victory in Iraq in almost four years. This should have been the crowning glory of their efforts, but instead it may pose yet another risk to their demoralised troops. For Iraqis, some will see it as a symbol of the death of the ancien regime. For some Sunnis, Saddam’s death represents the final nail in the coffin of their fall from power. But Iraqis may also see this as the humiliation of Iraq as a whole, that their president, however odious, was toppled by outside powers, and is executed effectively at others’ instigation.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:34 pmThese neocon b*stards and public enemies Nrº1 are gonna send Saddam directly into the triumphant martyr category, what is going to generate some gratuitous violence for a while….what a spectacular move! Congrats….
December 29th, 2006 at 7:36 pmHey, Corpus:
My story is not a pleasant one. It is neither sweet nor harmonious as invented stories are. It has the taste of nonsense and chaos, of madness and dreams – like the lives of all who have stopped deceiving themselves. –Herman Hesse
December 29th, 2006 at 7:40 pmUNFORUNATELY THIS IS WHAT WILL BE REMEMBERED
In the aftermath of the international crimes against humanity of 2001 we have tortured, we have murdered, we have brutalised and killed the innocent – we have even added our shame at Abu Ghraib to Saddam’s shame at Abu Ghraib – and yet we are supposed to forget these terrible crimes as we applaud the swinging corpse of the dictator we created.
Who encouraged Saddam to invade Iran in 1980, which was the greatest war crime he has committed for it led to the deaths of a million and a half souls? And who sold him the components for the chemical weapons with which he drenched Iran and the Kurds? We did. No wonder the Americans, who controlled Saddam’s weird trial, forbad any mention of this, his most obscene atrocity, in the charges against him. Could he not have been handed over to the Iranians for sentencing for this massive war crime? Of course not. Because that would also expose our culpability.
And the mass killings we perpetrated in 2003 with our depleted uranium shells and our “bunker buster” bombs and our phosphorous, the murderous post-invasion sieges of Fallujah and Najaf, the hell-disaster of anarchy we unleashed on the Iraqi population in the aftermath of our “victory” – our “mission accomplished” – who will be found guilty of this? Such expiation as we might expect will come, no doubt, in the self-serving memoirs of Blair and Bush, written in comfortable and wealthy retirement.
AT FIRST THEY WILL ACCEPT HIS DEATH THEN WANT THE REAL CULPRITS
December 29th, 2006 at 7:41 pmJuan C I think I prefered Marco he was a much nicer side of your split personality
Comment by Corpus Mentis Teuchter
Not nice.
Marco is a troll.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:44 pmBut Iraqis may also see this as the humiliation of Iraq as a whole, that their president, however odious, was toppled by outside powers, and is executed effectively at others’ instigation.
Comment by Corpus Mentis Teuchter
Exactly! I think, NOT ONLY, iraqis see this as a humiliation, but there also should be humiliation and a sense of impotence, in the common citizen in the world. It says: there is a superpower that decides what kind of government you should have and if any government disagrees with us, we can topple it and hang its leader. Welcome to this nice and friendly world.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:47 pmwhat the heck is this guy on? Certainly he’s got a few screws loose!
December 29th, 2006 at 7:50 pmWhy are those people still allowed to broadcast? Huh?
We need an exchange government. Now.
But how?
Consumer © i-boycott.
Cut down consumption to the very bare essentials,
don’t starve to death though.
Happy and Healthy New Year to You guys.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:50 pmHopefully we can keep posting a little bit longer…
What Varney is saying that if the Iraqis fight each others and bleed to death then that’s a win and victory for us. He describes the Iraqis as the enemy”we took the fight to the enemy, we divided the ememy(the Iraqis)..” But the same network will tell you in defense of this war and Bush how we are liberating the Iraqis and beringing them liberty and democracy…I AM CONFUSED !!…is killing the Iraqis according to Steve Barney on Cavuto show means bringing them democracy on another FOX show…?!!
December 29th, 2006 at 7:50 pmI guess all FAUX NEWS can spin is pure, unadulterated bullcrap these days. They’ve lost both the “truth war” in this country as well as the Neilson ratings which are dropping for them like W’s numbers in the polls….as Bush goes, so goes FAUX NEWS – and they appear to be heading straight to the toilet.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:51 pmNot nice.
Marco is a troll.
Comment by Zooey
Zoo, I guess Corpus has not had enough time here to know which posters can be recognized beyond any name-jacking.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:51 pmEveryone I know has boycott Fox News….and more will be joining our ranks each day that they provide propagandized, pure drivel to the american people who know better. They’d do better calling it all a comedy show and being done with it – at least they’d have a shard of a reputation left at the end of the day. They deserve to be ripped off the air.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:52 pmCivil war in Iraq is pretty much the best outcome that could reasonably have been expected after overthrowing Saddam; in that sense the U.S. has gotten exactly what it bargained for, accomplished what it seems to have expected to accomplish–not precisely “winning”, maybe just “mission accomplished”.
December 29th, 2006 at 7:59 pmZoo, I guess Corpus has not had enough time here to know which posters can be recognized beyond any name-jacking.
Comment by Juan C
That’s true.
I will postpone jumping down his throat and ripping out his tonsils with my dirty fingernails. :)
December 29th, 2006 at 7:59 pmSorry Zooey and Juan C no offence
I remember a thread earlier today saying Marco was Juan C , just the other side of a coin version …mistake
December 29th, 2006 at 8:00 pmBy instigating a Cival War, what have we won, other than “the most hated nation on Earth contest”?
December 29th, 2006 at 8:02 pmSorry, 2-many margaritas 2-nite…
“Cival=Civil”
December 29th, 2006 at 8:06 pmCivil war in Iraq is pretty much the best outcome that could reasonably have been expected after overthrowing Saddam;
Not when its actually a part of Bush/ Cheney plans its not….. wait and see Iraq will be a true bloodbath
Bush wants the Shia to kill all the Sunnis now. Because 65% of Iraq is Shia ,, He thinks by them doing that America won . And the spin is Most of the Arab world are Sunnis , He hopes to make it look like Iran Did this Creating A Middle east war ………..
Hes a slime bag Bush ………………. complete Nutcase
December 29th, 2006 at 8:08 pm“Today on Fox News’s Your World with Neil Cavuto, guest host Stuart Varney tried to ‘put out something positive about Iraq.’ He suggested that since Iraq is ‘now fighting itself,’ America is ‘in a way, winning and preserving our interests.’”
There it is, plain and simple. Bush’s invasion of Iraq had nothing to with the Iraqis; it was all about preserving the Neocon’s interests. This is not lost on the Iraqis and that’s why they’re blowing us up.
December 29th, 2006 at 8:08 pmI will postpone jumping down his throat and ripping out his tonsils with my dirty fingernails. :)
Comment by Zooey
Oh, you are a doll :)
Corpus:
December 29th, 2006 at 8:09 pmthe troll known as Marco/Jorge/Akbar/vinnie/Emperor Palpatine etc. , posted something with my name.
Then DRXJ said: Juan C (Aka Marco) so as to refer that my name had been used by Marco to post something.
I guess that you already knew this but, I wanted to review the situation just to make things clear and we can discuss without hard feelings. :)
40 / By instigating a Civil War, what have we won, other than “the most hated nation on Earth contest�
Probably your right but by impeaching Bush and Hanging him . you will be opened with Flowers and i’ll personally send everybody in America a box of organic Belgium chocolates
December 29th, 2006 at 8:13 pmJuan C – my apologies are at post 39 :) mums the word
December 29th, 2006 at 8:18 pmHmmmm…now where have I heard this type of mentality before???
Oh yeah!
Burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
Carbon dioxide is good for plants.
Therefore pollution is good!
December 29th, 2006 at 8:25 pmIt’s a well-known fact that England benefited from our Civil War. Ummm, somehow, some way. I guess.
December 29th, 2006 at 8:27 pm40 / By instigating a Civil War, what have we won, other than “the most hated nation on Earth contest�
December 29th, 2006 at 8:29 pmIn Fact If America Impeaches Bush and Hangs him for crimes against Humanity
That should be a good starting point in Foreign Relations I would like to bet that the world will right of all your debt and Bung a few Zillion Dollars your way
And I know Bush loves America so much he would do this for his country
I spose I should keep taking my Tablets and get some qualified psychiatric help too
I guess he has a point – if the mission is to kill all Muslims. But why in hell is Faux News still on the air? Is there anyone stupid enough to believe this is a news network?
December 29th, 2006 at 8:29 pm…since Iraq is “now fighting itself,†America is “in a way, winning and preserving our interests.â€
Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense, Neil. When it’s no longer possible to say “There’s no civil war,” start saying “It’s a good thing for America that there’s a civil war.”
Even manure has a useful purpose. It nourishes both plants and insects. But, there’s just no reason at all for Fox News to continue to exist. It’s as if Roger Ailes is the coach, the other team has left the field, the ball is deflated, and he keeps sending his boys out to “go get’em”. And they got nuthin’. They don’t even have truthiness anymore. For the sake of all that’s good and holy, will somebody pull the plug on these ASSCLOWNS?
December 29th, 2006 at 8:33 pmWe live in incredible times. The President, who launched this war, his war, doesn’t even know the difference between Shiite and Sunni! OMG!
According to Peter Galbraith former U.S. diplomat, Bush didn’t know there was a difference between Sunni and Shiite Muslims as late as January 2003.
…the President invited three members of the Iraqi opposition to join him to watch the Super Bowl. In the course of the conversation the Iraqis realized that the President was not aware that there was a difference between Sunni and Shiite Muslims. He looked at them and said, “You mean…they’re not, you know, there, there’s this difference. What is it about?”
December 29th, 2006 at 8:41 pmMOONBATS PREPARE YOURSELVES!!!
One of the most notorious terrorists is about to be hanged… thanks to President Bush (and no thanks to Democrats). The world will soon be rid of this horrible pond scum thanks to our men and women in uniform.
You’ve been on the wrong side of history time and time again, and now as Iraq puts its former dictator to death, history will once again show that our policy was the right policy.
December 29th, 2006 at 8:41 pmit is FAUX News, right? What do you expect for people in the 28% group? Rave on catcrap…somebody will cover you up….
December 29th, 2006 at 8:42 pmGee…
Why don’t they atribute it to Paul Bunyan dragging his axe as he walked across the country while they’re at it?
December 29th, 2006 at 8:43 pmWe live in incredible times. The President, who launched this war, his war, doesn’t even know the difference between Shiite and Sunni! OMG! Comment by Larry from C
Actually, the most recent case of this confusion came from the Left and your new Intel Chief Reyes: New Intel Chief Reyes Flunks Terror Quiz
December 29th, 2006 at 8:45 pmit is FAUX News, right? What do you expect for people in the 28% group? Rave on catcrap…somebody will cover you up…. Comment by kasinca
Just because Fox News beats all the leftists news stations in ratings doesn’t mean you have to call names.
December 29th, 2006 at 8:47 pmBush was moved to an armored vehicle at the ranch today. There was a tornado warning in Crawford. I thought God would protect him?
December 29th, 2006 at 8:47 pmHey Wingnutt, since when does “History” reflect reality?
December 29th, 2006 at 8:49 pmDoesn’t anyone realize that the Fox News Channel is really a comedy station .
December 29th, 2006 at 8:52 pmI’m an Independent so a dumb Democrat gets my blood boiling as much as a nasty neo-con. This Democrat does not deserve his new job.
Reuters
Tuesday, December 12, 2006
The incoming Democratic chairman of the House intelligence committee could not describe Hezbollah and incorrectly described al-Qaeda’s Islamic roots in a recent interview.
Rep. Silvestre Reyes (D-Tex.), whom incoming Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) named earlier this month to chair the panel, formally known as the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, was asked by a reporter from Congressional Quarterly whether al-Qaeda was Sunni or Shiite. “Predominantly — probably Shiite,” Reyes replied.
From Osama bin Laden down, al-Qaeda’s leadership is comprehensively Sunni and subscribes to a form of Sunni Islam known for not tolerating theological deviation.
Asked to describe the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, according to a story published online Friday, Reyes responded “Hezbollah. Uh, Hezbollah” and then said, “Why do you ask me these questions at 5 o’clock?”
The Texas congressman later added: “Speaking only for myself, it’s hard to keep things in perspective and in the categories.”
December 29th, 2006 at 8:53 pmHey Wingnutt, since when does “History†reflect reality? Comment by ForTruth
Awwww, what’s the matter little buddy? Not happy to see a tyrant taste his own medicine? I suppose the pinko lifestyle doesn’t allow for such celebrations.
December 29th, 2006 at 8:54 pmDoesn’t anyone realize that the Fox News Channel is really a comedy station. Comment by proudleftists
Oh I get it, that was a joke! You’re a comedian! Well done.
::golf clap::
December 29th, 2006 at 8:55 pm#53 dingbutt
You’ve been on the wrong side of history time and time again, and now as Iraq puts its former dictator to death, history will once again show that our policy was the right policy.
How? Just a nice short concise explanation. How does Saddam’s execution prove anything?
And by the way, it was very much thanks to Democrats, unfortunately, that the U.S. attacked Iraq and accomplished nothing more than we would have by continuing to contain him (if you don’t count all the hundreds of thousands of dead people over there now). I WISH the Democrats had put up more resistance to Bush and asked him some embarassing questions, but they pretty much greased the freakin’ wheels for the little mass murderer. You’ve got nothing to be proud of. Your team has been proven wrong in so many different ways and your leader has been exposed as a lying moron. He’s a walking, talking human catastrophe of Biblical proportions. Way to go, champ.
December 29th, 2006 at 8:57 pmwignuts,
Do us all a favor, would ya?
Thank the CIA/U.S. Government for Saddam.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:01 pmI don’t think it would be right to kill you wingnutt.
I don’t see the benefit in killing anyone unless it is to save yourself or others from imminent danger.
This is about anger and revenge. Gee that’s productive. I don’t give a shit personally about Hussein.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:02 pm#53 dingbutt
Oooh, good one!
::golf clap::
How? Just a nice short concise explanation. How does Saddam’s execution prove anything?
Quite simply: it proves that Clinton’s (aka: the Left’s) tactics did nothing to stop Saddam. Bush’s tactics, however, obviously have. History will show that while the Left talked about how bad Saddam was – it was force that actually did something about him. Your ariel wars in the late 90s failed, and your UN sanctions failed. Bush and the US military actually succeeded in removing Saddam.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:03 pmI’m an Independent so a dumb Democrat gets my blood boiling as much as a nasty neo-con. This Democrat does not deserve his new job.
Comment by Larry from C — December 29, 2006 @ 8:53 pm
Congratulations. You found a democrat who is as dumb as Bush and most republicans.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:04 pm#62
Awwww, what’s the matter little buddy? Not happy to see a tyrant taste his own medicine? I suppose the pinko lifestyle doesn’t allow for such celebrations.
I’m looking forward to it. I can’t wait to see Bush and Cheney dragged before the war crimes tribunal in the Hague. Fox News can sling all the crap it wants and dumbasses can slurp it up like it’s chocolate syrup. Not only doesn’t that stuff fly in a courtroom anywhere in the world. It doesn’t even enter the building. Don’t worry, justice is coming.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:07 pmThank the CIA/U.S. Government for Saddam. Comment by DieNowForPeace
Thank you CIA/U.S. Government!
Apparently you don’t understand that at time our government sides with people who turn out to be a threat later down the road. It happens.
Ahh, we’ve helped Saddam!! We’ve funded Saddam!! Oh no!!
Yes, we even helped Saddam fight Iran. At time we have to support the lesser of two evils.
Get over it.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:07 pmAwwww, what’s the matter little buddy? Not happy to see a tyrant taste his own medicine? I suppose the pinko lifestyle doesn’t allow for such celebrations.
Comment by wingnutt — December 29, 2006 @ 8:54 pm
I hope you’re this enthusiastic when Bush finally pays for his crimes against humanity.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:09 pmRegarding the impending execution of Saddam Hussein: Here’s my theory as to why we invaded Iraq.
Will it be a relief for Wall Street? Yes and no. It’ll certainly be a relief for the Bush Klan, that’s for sure.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:09 pmOk I’m over it wingnutt. What now?
December 29th, 2006 at 9:10 pmQuite simply: it proves that Clinton’s (aka: the Left’s) tactics did nothing to stop Saddam. Bush’s tactics, however, obviously have. History will show that while the Left talked about how bad Saddam was – it was force that actually did something about him. Your ariel wars in the late 90s failed, and your UN sanctions failed. Bush and the US military actually succeeded in removing Saddam.
Comment by wingnutt — December 29, 2006 @ 9:03 pm
Stop Saddam from what?
December 29th, 2006 at 9:14 pmWINGNUT YOU ARE HEARBYE ORDERED TO STOP BEING A PRICK
December 29th, 2006 at 9:15 pmI like the name “Moonbat,” it’s cool.
Thanks, wingnutty.
What the f*ck is a “golf clap?”
December 29th, 2006 at 9:16 pm#69
Quite simply: it proves that Clinton’s (aka: the Left’s) tactics did nothing to stop Saddam. Bush’s tactics, however, obviously have.
Let’s see now. Bush the elder left Saddam in place, because he didn’t want to see us get into the mess we’re in now. Clinton agreed. Saddam was contained, had no army to speak of, and didn’t have any WMDs. He wasn’t a threat. Bush the lesser ignored the advice of people who knew what they were talking about. Look what we’ve got to show for it. We’ve traded 3,000 American lives for a guy who was no threat to us. We’ve destroyed a country–it’s in far worse shape now that it was under Saddam–even with sanctions–and killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for a guy who was no threat to us. In the meantime, the guy who attacked us, in our country, on 9/11 is still out there. That’s a success? Could you possibly jam your head up there any further? I’m not saying that you should. I’m just wondering how you’re going to pry the sucker out.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:16 pmStop Saddam from what? Comment by Nat
Oh I don’t know… all the same stuff Clinton bombed him for.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:16 pmOk I’m over it wingnutt. Comment by ForTruth
Good! Now hush.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:17 pmI hope you’re this enthusiastic when Bush finally pays for his crimes against humanity. Comment by Nat
Haha. Delusion.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:18 pmWingnutt you seem like some other dude who used to come here. Hmmm…
December 29th, 2006 at 9:19 pm#72
Apparently you don’t understand that at time our government sides with people who turn out to be a threat later down the road. It happens.
Apparently you don’t understand that when we give chemical and biological weapons to known tyrants and the logistics to use them on their enemies, we have no moral standing for turning around decades later and crying to the world that the nasty dictator used the chemical and biological weapons we gave him. Do you want me to repeat that?
December 29th, 2006 at 9:21 pmWingnutt you seem like some other dude who used to come here. Hmmm… Comment by Custiss
And I’m suppose to care, why?
December 29th, 2006 at 9:21 pmWINGNUT YOU ARE HEARBYE ORDERED TO STOP BEING A PRICK Comment by Custiss
Yes Sir!
::salutes with left hand::
December 29th, 2006 at 9:22 pm#78 Zooey
What the f*ck is a “golf clap?â€
It’s what you get from bringing crack whores into the clubhouse.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:23 pmHaha. Delusion.
Comment by wingnutt — December 29, 2006 @ 9:18 pm
We’ll see.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:23 pmFox News is for dumbshits like…
December 29th, 2006 at 9:23 pmAnd I’m suppose to care, why?
Comment by wingnutt
Because you answered.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:24 pmWhat the f*ck is a “golf clap?â€
Comment by Zooey
Golf clap
December 29th, 2006 at 9:24 pmOh I don’t know… all the same stuff Clinton bombed him for.
Comment by wingnutt — December 29, 2006 @ 9:16 pm
Like what?
December 29th, 2006 at 9:24 pmWe’ll see.
Comment by Nat
yup, we will!
December 29th, 2006 at 9:25 pmBecause you answered.
Comment by Juan C
Ooohhhhh, ouch. Got me!
December 29th, 2006 at 9:25 pmWhat the f*ck is a “golf clap?â€
It’s what you get from bringing crack whores into the clubhouse.
Comment by chimpeach
haha, now that’s funny.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:26 pmWingnutt you seem like some other dude who used to come here. Hmmm…
Comment by Custiss
don’t worry – you sound like every one else here.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:27 pmIt’s what you get from bringing crack whores into the clubhouse.
Comment by chimpeach
I thought it was something like that.
Nobody touch wingnutty….just in case.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:30 pm#80
Oh I don’t know… all the same stuff Clinton bombed him for.
Violating no-fly zones and targeting U.S. and British aircraft when they flew over Iraq. That’s what Clinton failed to stop and that’s why Bush invaded Iraq?
December 29th, 2006 at 9:30 pmyup, we will!
Comment by wingnutt — December 29, 2006 @ 9:25 pm
I actually thought Saddam wouldn’t pay for the crimes he committed in the eighties but he is. Similarly, Bush will too.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:30 pmBush and the US military actually succeeded in removing Saddam.
Comment by wingnutt
Considering that Rumsfeld was shaking hands with him under Reagan administration, I dont view how a former-supported-dictator´s removal is considered a success. But, hey, if you keep writing the “l” of left with caps, commies become more dangerous in that little glof-clapping world of yours.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:31 pm#97 Zooey
Nobody touch wingnutty….just in case.
Too late. He’s already touched.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:32 pmI guess we can expect more insightful comments like these:
yup, we will!
Comment by wingnutt
don’t worry – you sound like every one else here.
Comment by wingnutt
Ooohhhhh, ouch. Got me!
Comment by wingnutt
Yes Sir!
December 29th, 2006 at 9:35 pm::salutes with left hand::
Comment by wingnutt
Comment by Juan C — December 29, 2006 @ 9:35 pm
**sound of one hand clapping**
December 29th, 2006 at 9:38 pm#82
I hope you’re this enthusiastic when Bush finally pays for his crimes against humanity. Comment by Nat
Haha. Delusion.
Comment by wingnutt
If you’re this giddy after seeing the Democrats take back both houses of Congress, I guess you’ll be bustin’ a gut when the subpoenas start going out next month. I know I’ll have plenty of popcorn handy for the hearings. Who woulda thunk C-SPAN could be so damn entertaining?
December 29th, 2006 at 9:38 pmFox News is for Dumbasses like wingnutt.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:41 pmI dont view
How about that? Sorry. I dont see.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:41 pm(I was going to post something as I understand the view…or something…)
**sound of one hand clapping**
Comment by Zooey
And hows that one?
December 29th, 2006 at 9:43 pmOh, yeah, evidently…winning.
I’d hate to see “losing”…oh, yeah, I forgot, that is what’s happening.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:46 pmI guess you’ll be bustin’ a gut when the subpoenas start going out next month.
Let the donkey punchin’ begin!
December 29th, 2006 at 9:47 pmAnd hows that one?
Comment by Juan C
That was one hand clapping for wingnutty — I forgot to add that part. :}
It’s quieter than ::golf clapping::, unless you have huge hands like Zoo Sr, and can actually clap with one hand.
Heh.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:48 pmThe most disturbing story of the year:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/12/29/214528/10
December 29th, 2006 at 9:49 pmA golf clap is a like a half-hearted, quiet, smart ass, don’t wanna mess up my manacured hands, moron clap.
December 29th, 2006 at 9:50 pmVarney and Cavuto belong in jail for complicity in war crimes
December 29th, 2006 at 9:56 pm2-Tour soldier, honorably discharged, called up again for 545 days to be served in Iraq. He’s refusing to go. They should send Varney and Cavuto instead.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/189171,CST-NWS-SOLDIER28.article
December 29th, 2006 at 10:00 pmt’s quieter than ::golf clapping::, unless you have huge hands like Zoo Sr, and can actually clap with one hand.
Heh.
Comment by Zooey
Hmm, I can clap with one had as well =)
December 29th, 2006 at 10:01 pmMust be because I also have big feet lol.
#111 – That is disturbing. So much for the good of the f*cking country bullshit.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:01 pmA golf clap is a like a half-hearted, quiet, smart ass, don’t wanna mess up my manacured hands, moron clap.
Comment by ForTruth
Seriously, I had never heard of a golf clap until this evening. What a waste of time and energy — golf & golf clapping.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:03 pmThat was one hand clapping for wingnutty — I forgot to add that part. :}
Comment by Zoo
Ufff. For a moment I thought you actually had just one arm. :{
It’s quieter than ::golf clapping::, unless you have huge hands like Zoo Sr, and can actually clap with one hand.
Golf clapping…sheesh…the things we have to listen :)
A golf clap is a like a half-hearted, quiet, smart ass, don’t wanna mess up my manacured hands, moron clap.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:04 pmComment by ForTruth
Yeah, like all those little, fake claps after the fancy dances from british movies depicting the Victorian age…
Hmm, I can clap with one had as well =)
Must be because I also have big feet lol.
Comment by Zep Tepi
Are you bragging, Zep? :-)
December 29th, 2006 at 10:04 pmMy hope is that one day in the future when our trrops come home and realize they have no jobs and no medical coverage and were egged on by people like cavuto,hannity,varney,etc….that they form death squads and go after these scum bag traitors. One can dream of justice….
December 29th, 2006 at 10:06 pmWhat a waste of time and energy — golf & golf clapping.
Comment by Zooey
Oh, I knew you wouldnt like golf! Good! There is nothing more frustrating than ESPN showing 3 or 4 hours of that boring sport. No offense to gaolf players here. Maybe when Im 80 I will like it.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:08 pmAre you bragging, Zep? :-)
Comment by Zooey
who me? No way, I got kidded by many for having big feet and waterskiing with no skis, as for the other thing, no. =)
December 29th, 2006 at 10:11 pmIs Stuart Varney suggesting that US soldiers and taxpayers got in this war to make the Sunni fight the Shiate to spark a civil war?. He described the outcome of such civil war as ‘win’ to us -’the enemy now is fighting itself”. But Fox has been saying for years that US has been planting democracy and freedom in Iraq ?!!
December 29th, 2006 at 10:13 pmBush better watch out. They are killing dictators now.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:13 pmBush better watch out. They are killing dictators now.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:13 pmBush better watch out. They are killing dictators now.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:13 pm“The young boys came early to the hanging….”
Opening line, “The Pillars of the Earth” – Ken Follett
December 29th, 2006 at 10:15 pmAre you bragging, Zep? :-)
Comment by Zooey
Naw, I dont talk about that, I really do have big feet, as my daughter does, who does not have a you know what. =)
December 29th, 2006 at 10:16 pmdamnit TP would you stop delaying the posts?
December 29th, 2006 at 10:17 pmjust now, from google news, one link:
Saddam to hang at dawn: officials
Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:47pm ET
By Mariam Karouny
BAGHDAD (Reuters) – Saddam Hussein will hang at dawn on Saturday, Iraqi officials told Reuters, setting a dramatic end for a leader who ruled Iraq by fear for three decades before a U.S. invasion and his conviction for crimes against humanity.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:19 pm…
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=newsone&storyID=2006-12-30T024748Z_01_IBO034602_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ.xml&WTmodLoc=SciNewsHome_R1_newsone-1
welp, I’m off, later folks.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:20 pmThe Saudis wanted Saddam dead, and Bush does whatever the Saudis want. The Saudis want US military to take the Saudi fight to Iran – Arabs vs Persians. The Persians will win that one.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:21 pmThey’re reporting that Saddam is dead.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:25 pmFrom Al-Jazeera:
Unconfirmed reports say that Saddam Hussein has been hanged in Baghdad. More soon.
From Haaretz:
December 29th, 2006 at 10:25 pmArab TV Al Arabiya: Saddam Hussein has been executed (Fox News)
Where do these morans come from? What rock did they crawl from?
December 29th, 2006 at 10:26 pmexecuted
BREAKING NEWS
Arab TV stations report Hussein hanged
Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been executed, according to two Arabic language media outlets.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:27 pmTo quote the late Rick James, “Do I have to choke a tyrant?”
December 29th, 2006 at 10:28 pmI think Saddam was a horrible person, who deserved to be on trial, but I don’t believe in the death penalty.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:34 pmfrom a c&l story/link, this headline:
Breaking News 10:26 PM ET:
December 29th, 2006 at 10:37 pmSaddam Hussein Has Been Executed, According to a Senior American Official in Baghdad
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/22/opinion/22leverett.html?ex=1167541200&en=822836a04ced6fcf&ei=5070
But will hanging Saddam change things for better in the coming months, or things will get worse as a result ? . The coming months will tell…..I think at this stage hanging Saddam will make no difference.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:39 pmOnce more for the money….. the definitive Saddam retrospective…..
http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html
December 29th, 2006 at 10:45 pmwell, a new thread is up, so obviously someone is at the controls…
zooey – i agree with you… and this execution will solve nothing and will probably create even more problems…
December 29th, 2006 at 10:45 pmOnce more for the money….. the definitive Saddam retrospective…..
http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html
December 29th, 2006 at 10:45 pmFrom Reuters:
U.S.-backed Iraqi television station Al Hurra said Saddam Hussein had been executed by hanging shortly before 6 a.m. on Saturday. Arabic satellite channel Arabiya also reported the execution had taken place.
mmm…yeah, Im a loony, but I dont buy it. He will be living in some fancy island drinking margaritas with little umbrellas on them.
December 29th, 2006 at 10:46 pmJuan, you mean like Idi Amin and Martin Bohrman did?
December 29th, 2006 at 10:48 pmJuan, you mean like Idi Amin and Martin Bohrman did?
December 29th, 2006 at 10:57 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle
I was thinking more like Osama Bin Laden.
Actually I know the Martin B tale – the current wisdom is that he never made it out of Berlin in April 1945. Funny postscript to it though in all places in “Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory” – the definitive version (sorry Johnny). The fake winner of the last Golden Ticket is in Argentina and the photo flashed on the screen is that of Martin Bormann – don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there…..
December 29th, 2006 at 10:58 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Wonka_%26_the_Chocolate_Factory
OBL is perhaps at Barry Gibb’s house this winter – Tony Blair is already at the other Bee Gees house..
December 29th, 2006 at 10:59 pmzooey – i agree with you… and this execution will solve nothing and will probably create even more problems…
Comment by katy
I just hope it creates problems for GWB — alone. Yeah….right.
I hope you had a nice holiday, katy!
December 29th, 2006 at 10:59 pm(and I mean to say only once, no matter how many times it actually comes up) Heh.
I hope you had a nice holiday, katy!
Comment by Zooey — December 29, 2006 @ 10:59 pm
i did, zoo, thank you… and the same hope for you…
but the college kids – especially those on california time – have worn me out… they think nothing of being up till 3am… i am booshed…
i know – i will send out hearty GREETINGS and WELL WISHES to ALL! …
hope santa found you all and made you happy and/or content!
i think i shall call it a night…
December 29th, 2006 at 11:16 pmg’nite all…
Saddam is dead! Party on!
December 29th, 2006 at 11:21 pmPlease forgive me if this has been covered, but I can’t stomach the comments lately beyond a gaze. I miss Exley and the right that could hold a conversation, rather than holdtheir pants trying not to pee in them.
The enemy is fighting itself? I can see Cavuto now, “Stop hitting yourself! Why do you keep hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself, stop!”
Ummmmmmmmmm, isn’t that CIVIL WAR?
So, my bro is home from Iraq, and I asked if he thought he’d go to the Borders in Iran and he said he was more worried about going to Korea, and when I asked why, he said, “The average life span of an engineer in Korea is 7 minutes.” What does that mean?
December 29th, 2006 at 11:24 pmLike I said: “The young boys came early to the hanging….”
December 29th, 2006 at 11:28 pmSouth – I suspect your bro is measuring the expected time between a declaration of war (well today when the shooting starts) and when the average US soldier/engineer expects to die. I have heard it said that the 38k US soldiers are there on the front line precisely to do that….
December 29th, 2006 at 11:30 pmWow, now that I’ve taken the time to scroll back up….looks like there’s a little constipation with the posting, perhaps we need the bidet…..
Guess y’all will get mine after Saddam is hung, and the bloodbath has begun, and the excrement has hit the air conditioner…..
[someone else on here made a Vonnegut reference, what an *] ;)
December 29th, 2006 at 11:31 pm“The average life span of an engineer in Korea is 7 minutes.†What does that mean?
Comment by SouthPaw
You should talk to your brother about that statement, Southpaw. He shouldn’t leave you wondering about something like that.
December 29th, 2006 at 11:38 pmTerry~
I had no idea what my brother was talking about (on the road for NYE while he still has leave; didn’t want to ask him to elaborate on Christmas). So I talked to my boss, who is a republican turned democrat/progressive. He tears up at the shear ignorance of MSM. He touched on Korea, nukes, etc.
I have to admit…I’ve been following as much as I can, but am ashamed to say that I didn’t know that Korea was even a player.
What am I missing….and where can I find it?
December 29th, 2006 at 11:40 pmQuite simply: it proves that Clinton’s (aka: the Left’s) tactics did nothing to stop Saddam. Bush’s tactics, however, obviously have. History will show that while the Left talked about how bad Saddam was – it was force that actually did something about him. Your ariel wars in the late 90s failed, and your UN sanctions failed. Bush and the US military actually succeeded in removing Saddam.
Comment by wingnutt — December 29, 2006 @ 9:03 pm
Colin Powell, Feb. 24, 2001:
Amazing what Dubya accomplished as President during a majority of the 10 year period Powell references. And all this time I thought Clinton had been elected in 1992 and 1996.
More from Colin Powell, May 15, 2001:
Let’s hear from Condi Rice, July 29, 2001:
So let me summarize it for you, Nutt:
Saddam was not a threat. He did not have the capability to rebuild his WMD program. The sanctions were working. He had been contained.
You may remove your head from your ass any time now.
December 29th, 2006 at 11:47 pmSouth, I’ve been to Seoul. A fascinating, vibrant capital city of 10m lively, friendly people. Just to the north lies the DMZ and a mountain range where the North Koreans have buried hundreds of artillery pieces. This weaponry can rain down a hail of fire in less than 5 minutes, including the North’s arsenal o chemical and other weapons. The city of Seoul would turn into a killing ground and there’s nothing anyone can do about it….
December 29th, 2006 at 11:50 pmThe US troops in Korea on the DMZ are simply a trip-wire – their deaths ensure that Kim Jong-Il knows he has to fight the United States if he unleashes his million man army.
See, Zooey,
I don’t know how to ask him about it…
He’s been so quiet about everything, and I think everyone thinks he wants everyone to just pretend shit is normal. I asked him, what would happen if he just didn’t sign back in and he said he’d be AWOL, and I could tell, he didn’t seem rediculous about it. I’m the only one in my family who is pro-active. I’m so ready to take him to Canada. (call me a traitor if you want)
I know I made a Vonnegut refernce earlier, but have you ever read Ernest Bergeron (sp) where the gov’t doesn’t allow you a thought for more than 30 sconds or something? I feel like that’s my family.
I want him to know that I am here for him, while loving him for what he has been through, and appreciating that he is not a killer. He’s never done a bad thing in his life. But now, he may have done the worst thing in his life.
How does one live with that, get over it? Knowing, realizing, that you’ve done the worst thing you’ve ever done, when you thought you were doing your best thing?
December 29th, 2006 at 11:54 pmSorry to interrupt this Pow-wow.
I really not even sure what to say. You are all just patting each other on the back.
Saddam did need to pay for his sins, gassing the Kurds was just one of the many injustices he handed down to his own people. For those of you not believing in the death penalty…you honestly want this guy quoted everyday forever and ever in the media? The best thing for Iraq is to move on and this is one of many steps. Successful elections were a step, the continued development of security forces is a step.
This civil war people speak of is the Iraqi way, and also the Arab method for problem solving, violence. While western countries use diplomacy, Arab peoples only understand what to do when they are staring down the business end of an AK-47…much like the way they were governed by Saddam. Go ahead, call me racist, but look at history and you will see that violence, unrest, and despotism has held back the development of the middle east. A winner will emerge in the Iraqi civil war and it will hopefully be some form of democracy, but at least we gave it the best chance possible.
Also, the US does not create terrorists…the perpetuation of this myth must stop.
December 29th, 2006 at 11:57 pmHow does one live with that, get over it? Knowing, realizing, that you’ve done the worst thing you’ve ever done, when you thought you were doing your best thing?
Comment by SouthPaw
Those are some really hard questions, Southpaw. Your brother will have to learn to live with what has happened, but I don’t know how he could get over it. I know what you mean about the thoughts. It sounds like you’re the one who has to be there for him — tell him straight out that you are there for him. Don’t assume he knows.
You did what you knew how to do, and when you knew better, you did better.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:04 am–Maya Angelou
Joe Shmo–
Bush did need to pay for his sins, gassing the Iraqis/Sunnis/Shi’ites/Muslims was just one of the many messes he handed down to his own people. For those of you not believing in the death penalty…you honestly want this guy quoted everyday forever and ever in the media? The best thing for Iraq is to move on and this is one of many steps.
>>>>>>>Successful elections were a step, the continued development of security forces is a step.
You want to back this up?
How do you suppose Bush should pay for his sins?
December 30th, 2006 at 12:04 amJoeShmo,
Do you think you’re helping? You’re not.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:06 amOr do you just not care?
I will Zooey as much as I can.
Tough ground to break. For sure. I think I’ll talk to the man that made him. I KNOW he will listen.
Nick (my brother has a name) has been gone for so long, I am sure he has no idea that I’ve been to rallies and signed petitions. But my family has encouraged me. There is support. No one wants to burst his bubble (which is only in the waiting family’s mind….a giant fretful bubble) so we go through the motions………and it will go on for us and every family until this ends.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:12 amhttp://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html
Harrison Bergeron, it is. Good short story, if you have a fw moments.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:18 amSaddam did need to pay for his sins, gassing the Kurds was just one of the many injustices he handed down to his own people.
Comment by JoeShmo — December 29, 2006 @ 11:57 pm
Not with 3,000 Americans lives and 50,000 maimed, mangled, mutilated or psychologically damaged.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:18 am…and it will go on for us and every family until this ends.
Comment by SouthPaw
I’m glad you’re there for him. I don’t think it will be easy, and it will go on longer than you imagine. Good luck to you, your brother, and your family.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:21 amJoe Shmo:
gassing the Kurds
Where did he get the gas and Hueys to spray the gas from? This will help you: http://www.ericblumrich.com/thanks.html
This civil war people speak of is the Iraqi way, and also the Arab method for problem solving, violence
Right-o – please post your qualifications in Arab studies that helped you reach this conclusion.
Go ahead, call me racist
Fair enough, you are a racist. Happy now?
but look at history and you will see that violence, unrest, and despotism has held back the development of the middle east.
Sonny, where do you think the Renaissance got it’s inspiration? Your ancestors were still sticking flowers up their noses to ward off syphilis when the Arabs had worked out that Earth wasn’t the center of the Universe. What is the difference bewteen European history and Arab history in the 11th to 16th centuries? Most of the homocidal maniacs had crosses on their chests, not crescents.
but at least we gave it the best chance possible.
You arrogant shit. What makes you think the Iraqis give a shit what you want for them? 15% of Iraqis supported attacks on Americans in 2003, 70% in 2006 – why is that? You think they hate ‘freedom and democracy’? Grow up.
the US does not create terrorists…the perpetuation of this myth must stop
Let’s see – 700 men have been held for 5 years in a prision in Cuba, less than 10% were caught by the US forces, the rest were just handed over because they looked out of place or had an argument with the local drug warlord. They’ve been tortured for five years and never been charged with anything – would you blame any one of them if they wanted to kill the American soldiers who had been ramming broomsticks up their arseholes twice a day?
Don’t listen to me, try your State Dept who used to count the massive increase in terrorism after 2003, how about the London attacks, where the Iraq war was the specific reason for the bombers attack, or the preciptious drop in pro-American sentiment everywhere on earth…..
Dick.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:32 amI’m glad you’re there for him. I don’t think it will be easy, and it will go on longer than you imagine. Good luck to you, your brother, and your family.
Thank you, so much. It won’t be easy for any of us. Family of the maimed, dead, citizens, we all have a loved one there. Maybe a friend’s father, a cousin, somone in our old neighborhood.
Just think if the war was here, and you had to sit in your living room with no electricity, waiting for the raid, taking your family away. In the name of someone else’s liberty.
And to avoid it you take what you have and walk away from what you made for yourself and your family, because someone said, I will liberate you.
And Darfur is a whisper in the ind…..
December 30th, 2006 at 12:38 amJoe Shmo
Just another drive-by-troll
Chicken shit
December 30th, 2006 at 12:44 amThis civil war people speak of is the Iraqi way, and also the Arab method for problem solving, violence.
Comment by JoeShmo — December 29, 2006 @ 11:57 pm
Your post is so wrong at so many levels, it’s actually hard to even know where to begin.
I suppose the irony of accusing Arabs of only understanding through force as you support the invasion and occupation that has slaughtered so many of them is lost on you. It doesn’t seem to dawn on you the absolute idiocy of condemning Hussein while supporting the very same methods he used.
I guess this explains in your mind the need to reduce entire towns and neighborhoods to rubble, or torture ordinary Iraqis: What is happening are not war crimes but communication. I am sure Iraqis appreciate it.
You also seem wholly unaware of civil wars in other times and places (Does the name Robert E Lee ring a bell? Slobodan Milosevic? No?), and of the absolute lack of diplomatic skills in the current occupants of the White House.
As for democracy in Iraq, it is interesting to see another Bush supporter lower the bar even further: It doesn’t matter what government Iraq gets anymore. It used to be that Iraq was going to be a shining example of Democracy in the Middle East. What a difference a few months make.
Finally, the US might not create terrorists, but certainly funds and trains them. Like the car bomb campaign the CIA financed in the 1990s to disrupt life in Baghdad, using Iyad Allawi as their point man. Of course, they are given more marketable names like “freedom fighters”. Or “opposition groups”.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:47 amWell said, Southpaw — #195 & #196
December 30th, 2006 at 12:53 amThanks, Zooey!
Happy New Year!! (See new thread)
December 30th, 2006 at 1:16 amThanks, Southpaw.
Happy New Year!
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According to a Wonkette operative who heard this from two different sources, Republican Senator Kit Bond is going to bail on the Hill and become Chief Lord of the University of Missouri.
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December 30th, 2006 at 3:27 am#
2-Tour soldier, honorably discharged, called up again for 545 days to be served in Iraq. He’s refusing to go. They should send Varney and Cavuto instead.
http://www.suntimes.com/ news/ metro/ 189171,CST-NWS-SOLDIER28.article
Comment by ChildrenofLir — December 29, 2006 @ 10:00 pm
Why support the idea of a draft when the government has the dubious legal right to involuntarily recall a soldier? The much-touted “volunteer army” is a smokescreen for a back-door draft.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:09 amHow does one live with that, get over it? Knowing, realizing, that you’ve done the worst thing you’ve ever done, when you thought you were doing your best thing?
Comment by SouthPaw — December 29, 2006 @ 11:54 pm
It sounds like your brother may be struggling with PTSD, and could benefit from therapy. If he goes into treatment, doing so may also prevent his having to return to Iraq (or anywhere else this crazy administration decides to start another war). Just stay close to him, and try to get him away from the rest of the family so you two can have a heart-to-heart. Sounds like he needs it, badly.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:19 am#185 JoeShmoe
Saddam did need to pay for his sins, gassing the Kurds was just one of the many injustices he handed down to his own people. For those of you not believing in the death penalty…you honestly want this guy quoted everyday forever and ever in the media? The best thing for Iraq is to move on and this is one of many steps. Successful elections were a step, the continued development of security forces is a step.
On a personal level, I don’t care what happened to Saddam Hussein. I don’t think hanging is too severe for someone who had his enemies thrown into a pool of acid. I don’t believe in capital punishment as an institution, though. It’s used unfairly in our country and the rationalizations made for it just don’t hold water. Death isn’t a punishment. A punishment is something that leaves an impression beyond its execution. Death is more like a release for those who would be punished. It’s not a deterrent, either. It hasn’t made a dent in the murder rates for the states that use it. As far as Saddam is concerned, I don’t think we should start a precedent of using capital punsihment to silence someone we don’t want to hear. On top of that, the Vatican announced today that it opposed his execution as well as capital punishment, in general. I trust that all of those good Catholics who wanted John Kerry barred from receiving Communion and Nancy Pelosi kept from attending a Catholic church are also opposed to capital punishment, as their religion tells them they should be.
Saddam’s execution is a wash. For as much as it may allow Iraq to “move on”, and it’s questionable that it does, it may also incite more attacks by Sunnis. It’s not certain yet what the net result is going to be. For me, his execution is irrelevant. But, as long as we’re putting bad people on trial, I’d like to see Rumsfeld tried for war crimes. He ordered the torture of prisoners in Abu Ghraib and other sites. He should have to pay for his sins, too.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:36 amthingfish,
Excellent post. I work for the catholics, and the ceo opposes capital punishment as well. The social arm of the catholic church, the charity part, is staffed by socially liberal folks, many whom are not catholic. There are disappointing aspects of the church as you have mentioned. The head of our peace and justice dept. says the church is very slow about accepting change, but they eventually do. Probably in about 300 years.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:52 am#185 JoeShmo
Also, the US does not create terrorists…the perpetuation of this myth must stop.
If you call insurgents terrorists, then it’s not a myth. If my country were occupied by a huge foreign force, my front door is kicked down in the middle of the night by foreign troops, my family is dragged out the front door and thrown on the ground with guns pointed at their heads, every member of my family humiliated, and then I’m taken with my sons to prison and all of us are beaten and tortured until it’s finally decided we don’t have anything of value to tell them, I might consider becoming an insurgent. If my family is struggling to find food and other necessities while all the males in the family are locked up, if the water is filthy and infants are dying from it, if the house only has electricity for a couple of hours a day and there’s no way to keep perishable food in the house, if garbage is piled up in the streets up to eye level, and I see no future for myself or my family as things are, I might consider becoming an insurgent.
There used to be a large and very comfortable middle class in Iraq. They worked regular jobs just like we do. They had nice homes to live in, much like ours. They’d sit on a sofa in the living room and watch sitcoms on TV, just like Americans. Life wasn’t perfect under Saddam. It was downright horrible for some. There were many reasons that he should have been removed from power. But, what’s happened to all of the people of Iraq since the U.S. invaded is so much worse than what the vast majority of those people had to endure under Saddam. It’s no wonder that poll after poll shows that most Iraqis want us out and they don’t see killing Americans as a bad thing.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:55 amI tip my hat to the False News Channel, who have set the bar so low with journalistic integrity and so high is ineptitude.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:03 pmWhy support the idea of a draft when the government has the dubious legal right to involuntarily recall a soldier? The much-touted “volunteer army†is a smokescreen for a back-door draft.
Comment by impeachcheneythenbush
you’re an idiot. the only way someone is recalled is if they’re still under contract (but in the IRR).
the comparison to a draft is idiotic.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:18 pmMy friend was in Iraq for 18 months with is NY State Nat. Guard unit. He went solely because he’s a medic.
As a medic he refused to carry an assualt rifle. He wore the sidearm, and if his unit was going to a particularly dangerous place he would carry a shotgun as a defensinve weapon.
Now he’s been back for over a year and the VA is refusing to treat his PSTD because he was ‘not in combat’ due to his service record that shows he never carried an assault rifle. They have told him that regardless of his having been bombed and shot at and despite his having to sew Iraqi civilians (that he says were a majority if is medic work, by far out pacing his saving of soldiers), despite his Humvee having run over an IED, despite his 18 months in combat, the VA will never treat him because they have decided that they can save money by claiming he never saw combat.
When I tell his story to people they always ask, ‘Can’t he do something?’ I respond, ’such as?…’ If he presses the issue the Nat Guard has promised to dishonorably discharge him for insubordination, so he can’t make any waves or he’ll lose what pitifully meager benefits he does have.
As has been obviously evident, the GOP is doing everything it can to refuse treatment to soldiers returning from Iraq.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:22 pmWar Is A Racket (Excerpts)
(How to turn blood into gold)
By Major General Smedley Butler
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one
international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the
losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of
the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit
of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge
fortunes.
In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new
millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That
many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns.
…
The general public shoulders the bill.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:23 pmAnd what is this bill?
This bill renders a horrible accounting. Newly placed gravestones. Mangled bodies.
Shattered minds. Broken hearts and homes. Economic instability. Depression and all its
attendant miseries. Back-breaking taxation for generations and generations.
For a great many years, as a soldier, I had a suspicion that war was a racket; not until I
retired to civil life did I fully realize it. Now that I see the international war clouds gathering,
as they are today, I must face it and speak out.
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:26 pmIt is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one
international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the
losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of
the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit
of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge
fortunes.
In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new
millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That
many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns.
War is a Racket (cont)
Yes, all over, nations are camping in their arms. The mad dogs of Europe are on the loose. In
December 30th, 2006 at 12:28 pmthe Orient the maneuvering is more adroit. Back in 1904, when Russia and Japan fought, we
kicked out our old friends the Russians and backed Japan. Then our very generous
international bankers were financing Japan. Now the trend is to poison us against the
Japanese. What does the “open door” policy to China mean to us? Our trade with China is
about $90,000,000 a year. Or the Philippine Islands? We have spent about $600,000,000 in
the Philippines in thirty-five years and we (our bankers and industrialists and speculators)
have private investments there of less than $200,000,000.
Then, to save that China trade of about $90,000,000, or to protect these private investments
of less than $200,000,000 in the Philippines, we would be all stirred up to hate Japan and go
to war — a war that might well cost us tens of billions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of
lives of Americans, and many more hundreds of thousands of physically maimed and
mentally unbalanced men.
Of course, for this loss, there would be a compensating profit — fortunes would be made.
Millions and billions of dollars would be piled up. By a few. Munitions makers. Bankers.
Ship builders. Manufacturers. Meat packers. Speculators. They would fare well.
Yes, they are getting ready for another war. Why shouldn’t they? It pays high dividends.
War is a Racket was written in 1933 by Major General Smedly Butler (retired). Gen. Butler had been in the service his whole life, and only after he retired (he says) was he able to think for himself again. He looked back onhis career in the military and his service in World War One, the War to End All Wars, and realized he was merely an enforcer in a global mob syndicate.
Gen. Butler wrote one of the best exposés of war, of it’s having one sole purpose, to enrich the already wealthy.
There are several of these warnings:
Sam Clemens’ (Mark Twain) ‘The War Prayer’
Gen. Butlers ‘War is a Racket’
Orwell’s ‘1984′
Pres. Eisenhower’s farewell address
For over 100 years we’ve KNOWN that ALL war exists simply to provide profits to the already wealthy.
Patriotism is merely a lie told to get the public to allow the war to be consucted in our name.
The GOP’s long-term goal in the middle-east, as derived by observing their past activity there, is to de-westernize the region (first Iran and now Iraq) and to create more fundamentalist muslims, to feed their hatred for America. It is the GOP that can be called ‘tratiors’ for their every move in the mid-east is designed to create more enemies of America, thereby justifying a never-ending source of war profits for their shareholders.
December 30th, 2006 at 12:45 pmOnly those who would be called upon to risk their lives for their country should have the privilege of voting to determine whether the nation should go to war.
Maj. General Butler (retired), 1933
December 30th, 2006 at 12:49 pmBeen out for a day. Come back and see we have a new typing monkey in our midst. Sounds like he/she may have been here before, because the thoughts are tired and old as the earlier monkeys..
December 30th, 2006 at 2:38 pmYou talking to me?
December 30th, 2006 at 2:50 pmIt’s better to have Islamic militants killing each other than killing Americans.
Civil war should have been the plan from the start. Blow up the governments of nations supporting militant Islam, then make it known in no uncertain terms that whoever wins the civil wars should not mess with the United States.
December 30th, 2006 at 3:17 pmWingnut: regarding the back-door draft issue, here’s only ONE article regarding this. If you Google, “back-door draft,” you will find over 2 million references. Who’s the idiot?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/03/60minutes/main658994.shtml
December 30th, 2006 at 4:46 pmGreat post’s Robin Grant…..Thank You!….Blessings
December 30th, 2006 at 4:51 pmbonehead
December 30th, 2006 at 5:40 pm“It’s better to have Islamic militants killing each other than killing Americans.”
I am sure the English said the same thing when India was partitioned. But I wonder if the English said the same thing when the American civil war was on.
Andrew you need to understand that even in democracy peoples of a nation and the national government ruling those people do not always practice the same ideology. The American government is a great example of the same theory. Also the American government can probably make it clear to the new Iraqi government not to mess with the US, but it will take much more than this redneck government to convenience it to Iraqi people.
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December 30th, 2006 at 6:58 pmAt some point many of the the laggards who watch Fox/GOP news must ralize that they are hearing preposterous spin and plain lies as they listen to people like Varney issue this Pollyanna garbage. As Nixon had his diehard defender in Rabbi Korff, so will Bush,Etc. have theirs in the meida and among the stupid or rigid. Wha t amazes me is that Varney is paid to say this stuff and does. What a pathetic man on a patheitic mission, and the evidence shows that there are many such in the newsrooms today, wilfully stupid for pay, and unashamed of how they look when they say this nonsense.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:37 pm[...] Via think Progress, only a FOX Pundit could refer the Iraqi Civil war as a positive development: STUART VARNEY: Well, let me put out something positive about Iraq, if I may for a second. Look, we took the fight to the enemy. We divided the enemy. The enemy is now fighting itself. America’s interest is surely being well-preserved and well-protected. We are in a fact, in a way, winning and preserving our interests. [...]
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December 30th, 2006 at 10:01 pmTesting…
I’ve had 2 posts not appear…one submitted last night, and one this morning. The filter must be working overtime.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:52 pmYou mean we are still in iraq?!??!?!?!??! i saw a “mission accomplished” banner a few years ago, haven’t seen much news since cause i don’t have a TV. WTF is going on? we didn’t accomplish the mission or what?
December 31st, 2006 at 2:14 pmWhat’s amazing to me is how seemingly professional, intelligent news people with a voice, can think so cynically as to ENJOY the in-fighting (on the verge of outright civil war) as if that’s a GOOD thing. That’s just typical american prejudice and narrow-minded, shortsightedness. Their dull-wittedness and prejudice blinds them, sheilding them from realizing that the more disillusioned and disenfranchised people this war generates; the jobless, homeless, and the more dead friends and family, THE MORE INSURGENTS AND TERRORISTS WE CREATE, that hate america and americans even more!
December 31st, 2006 at 7:42 pmGOOD STRATEGY!
Did ole Neil disagree, saying there would be many Iraqi immigrants? Cause, you know, immigration is the only thing that gives that toad wood.
December 31st, 2006 at 10:41 pmSuccess is irrelevant we already won the war in Iraq.
We are fighting the war on terror however and Iraq is working out well in this respect. Like a magnet it sucks in the scumbag Islamic extremist from all over the world to be killed like a “Black Flag Roach Motel” keeps the bugs in the kitchen off the bread in the pantry and at a more acceptable location in the middle of the floor. It depletes them of recourses that they would other wise use to attack America on American soil.
Remember it was the miserable failed policies of the Clinton administration that got us where we are. Not only with Al-Qaeda, Iraq, Hammas, Hezzbulah, but also our problems in North Korea as well as propping up a communist dictator in Venezuela.
Yes he is a dictator and no he did not just magically appear when Bush came around.
Idiots
January 1st, 2007 at 3:51 pmMight I remind you that civil war argument of both the french reveolution and american civil wars being cited as examples.
The bloody civil wars of both the Romans and Greeks spelled the end of these mighty empires.
January 1st, 2007 at 5:53 pmjoeslogic, in effect you are saying you are happy that the American troops are being killed in Iraq instead of you. You are one hell of a troop supporter. Being a “magnet” for violence is not in the “all volunteer army’s” job description, you pathetic loser. Coward.
January 1st, 2007 at 8:35 pmRemember it was the miserable failed policies of the Clinton administration that got us where we are. Not only with Al-Qaeda, Iraq, Hammas, Hezzbulah, but also our problems in North Korea as well as propping up a communist dictator in Venezuela.
Yes he is a dictator and no he did not just magically appear when Bush came around.
Wow, do you understand the incredible hypocrisy between the two paragraphs? Only Clinton was magically delicious?
January 1st, 2007 at 9:21 pm[...] hentai of sailor moon Today on Fox News ’s Your World with Neil Cavuto, guest host Stuart Varney tried to "put out something positive about Iraq." He suggested that since Iraq is "now fighting itself," America is "in a way, winning and preserving our interests." (Video) sailor moon sexread more | digg story [...]
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:46 am[...] with his british accent, the well-preserved and well-protected bit sounds a little like ww2 radio broadcasts or something, eerily soothing, if it wasn’t so ridiculous. watch it at think progress here. [...]
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 pmNo JPark in this forum where EVERY article highlighted I have seen is written is tilted heavily to the left with the intention of influencing these shallow minded pinheads that fall for the propaganda. I am simply providing an under reported and much needed observation. And Osama did pretty much bring the Al-Qaeda program to the front during the eight years of Clinton as a matter of fact had Sandy Berger not stole the proof from the national archives and then lied about it (apparently without attracting the attention of Fitzgerald) we would know that outrageously enough Clinton actually assisted Osama.
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