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Taliban: Execution will intensify jihad
SPIN BOLDAK, Afghanistan (Reuters) — A top commander of Afghanistan’s Taliban said on Saturday that the execution of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein would galvanize Muslim opposition to the United States.
Mullah Obaidullah Akhund, a former Taliban defense minister and top insurgent commander, also said Saddam’s execution on the Eid al-Adha Muslim festival — marking the end of the annual pilgrimage to Mecca — was a provocation.
December 30th, 2006 at 4:50 pmThis mockery of law
The Iraqi Higher Criminal Court that passed a death sentence on President Saddam Hussein is a farce. Not only is it grounded on illegality (occupying powers under international law are expressly prohibited from changing the judicial structures of occupied states[iii]); the trial itself stands distinguished in legal history by its sheer number of due process and international standard of fairness violations.[iv]
These violations have included, often with systematic effect: American imposed censorship of court proceedings; withholding evidence from the defence; forcible ejection from court of defence lawyers and the placing of defence lawyers under house arrest; denial of defence counsel access to defendants; blatant lack of impartiality of court judges; overt political interference in the selection of court officials and the prejudicing of the trial and trial outcome by statements made by invested political figures — including George W Bush — affirming progress towards, or demanding, execution; the replacement of four of the five originally selected court judges; lack of equality of arms between the prosecution and the defence; refusals to accept key defence team submissions, especially motions challenging the competence and legality of the court; violations of key fair trial principles and standards and international humanitarian law[v]; violation of Iraqi law[vi]; intimidation of witnesses; failure to ensure the security of the defence leading to the murder of three defence lawyers.
Created by Paul Bremer, the Iraqi Higher Criminal Court was never anything but a US-orchestrated puppet court.[vii] The imposition of a death sentence after an unfair trial stands in direct violation of international law.[viii]
December 30th, 2006 at 4:51 pmThe truth about this court
From day one, this court has been nothing but a smokescreen: an attempt to establish a veneer of legality to an illegal invasion of a sovereign state. From day one, the final conclusion — the illegal execution of Iraq’s lawful president — has been a fait accompli. The only question has been when.
As 2006 ends, the United States is desperate. Defeated militarily on the ground, long defeated politically and morally, the occupation is preparing to open the year 2007 with a barrage of atrocities, including the open murder of Iraq’s lawful president. This, like all other US-authored atrocities in Iraq, will not allow the US and its criminal partners to impose on Iraq a future that is contrary to the fundamental interests of the Iraqi people.
The imminent execution of President Saddam Hussein is a challenge to the world. Its occurrence would mark a watershed in the imposition by force of a global state of exception to law and to international standards of justice and due process.
States are obliged to protect international law and oppose acts that undermine it.[ix] International law is the arbiter and final guarantor of world peace. When states cannot or fail to act to protect it, or when they act resolutely to destroy it, it is the duty of citizens everywhere to oppose global tyranny by direct action.
December 30th, 2006 at 4:52 pmArab Anger Over Execution
Updated: 21:00, Saturday December 30, 2006
Anger simmered in the Arab world over the decision to execute Saddam on the holiest day of the Muslim year.
While his victims, their relatives and the US rejoiced at Saddam’s demise, many Muslims questioned the wisdom of killing the former dictator at the beginning of Eid al-Adha.
Leading Sunni Muslim Arab power Saudi Arabia criticised Iraq’s Shi’ite leaders for executing Saddam, saying his trial had been politicised.
“There is a feeling of surprise and disapproval that the verdict has been applied during the holy months and the first days of Eid al-Adha,†a statement read by the presenter of the official al-Ikhbariya TV said.
“Leaders of Islamic countries should show respect for this blessed occasion … not demean it.â€
Many Arabs said his hanging for crimes against humanity was provocatively timed to coincide with Eid al-Adha and would worsen violence in Iraq.
BUSH KNEW THIS HE’S AN ASSHOLE
December 30th, 2006 at 4:55 pmSock puppet Greenwald is peddling his usual dishonest idiocy. POWs and foreign enemy combatants are not legally entitled to trials.
December 30th, 2006 at 4:59 pmBush is a severely mentally ill person, who loves wars and killing people! He probably has been yanking himself all day in ecstasy after having Saddam hanged for the hell of it! Dubya does not care how many US soldiers are killed in retaliation for Saddam’s execution!
December 30th, 2006 at 5:04 pmSock puppet Greenwald is peddling his usual dishonest idiocy. POWs and foreign enemy combatants are not legally entitled to trials.
Comment by Bye Bye Saddam — December 30, 2006 @ 4:59 pm
Enemy combatant is a term Bush pulled out of his ass. If you’re not providing these people with lawyers and a fair trial then they are essentially hostages.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:08 pm1/ also said Saddam’s execution on the Eid al-Adha Muslim festival — marking the end of the annual pilgrimage to Mecca — was a provocation.
2/ Arab Anger Over Execution
3/ The truth about this court
4/ Arab Anger Over Execution. holiest day of the Muslim year.
Bush should be Impeached 5 minutes after Congress is sworn in , before he starts WW111
December 30th, 2006 at 5:13 pmSo you all wanted Saddam to go free. Maybe back in Power?
December 30th, 2006 at 5:14 pmhope you all didn’t pass this up, greenwald linked to:
The Bill of Wrongs
The 10 most outrageous civil liberties violations of 2006.
By Dahlia Lithwick
http://www.slate.com/id/2156397/fr/rss/
seems the kevins would benefit from the read…
December 30th, 2006 at 5:19 pm.
Nope Kevin > Saddam should have been kept in prison for the rest of his life! Bush hanging him has enraged muslims worldwide and made Saddam into a martyr as well! Violence is going to escalate in Iraq now thanks to the Dubya Dunce Decider Despot in Texas!
December 30th, 2006 at 5:21 pmKev,
December 30th, 2006 at 5:23 pmF*ck you pal, nobody here has is suggesting Saddam should have been set free, but your leader Bill O’reilly DID suggest putting him back in power.
Simple-minded Bush-boy, do you even READ the previous posts or are you too stupid to understand them?
You can lead a troll to truth, but you can’t make them think.
Bush didn’t hang him. His people did.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:24 pmthe people of Iraq hung him. As per there new government elected by the people of Iraq. Elections in Iraq. Wow. How did that happen?
December 30th, 2006 at 5:28 pmLOL Kevin > Bush had Saddam hanged! Dubya tells the Iraqi stooge government what to do and when to do things too!
December 30th, 2006 at 5:28 pmPresident Saddam Hussein is a prisoner of war with protected status under international law. Further, he is the lawful president of the Republic of Iraq. He cannot be executed legally by this occupation.
Under the Interim Constitution of Iraq of 1990 — which remains in force despite the illegal imposition of a permanent Iraqi constitution written by the United States — President Saddam Hussein, like heads of state worldwide, including in the US and Europe, is afforded sovereign immunity to prosecution.
That the US invaded Iraq illegally and established an illegal political process and a quisling Iraqi government only exacerbates the violation of President Saddam Hussein’s personal and sovereign rights and the affront to the whole of Iraq. His imminent execution is an attempt to establish, de facto, a global state of exception to law. Force cannot make just what law denies.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:33 pmBush didn’t hang him. His people did.
Comment by Kevin — December 30, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
Ha ha. Do you want us to believe that you are that stupid and can type too?
December 30th, 2006 at 5:35 pmyou folks are unreal.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:37 pmYou can lead a troll to truth, but you can’t make them think.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:42 pmSo you all wanted Saddam to go free. Maybe back in Power?
Comment by Kevin — December 30, 2006 @ 5:14 pm
You people are too simple. So the only options were to kill him or let him go free?
December 30th, 2006 at 5:46 pm“You can lead a troll to truth, but you can’t make them think.”
Comment by DieNowForPeace — December 30, 2006 @ 5:23 pm
I love this saying! Worth repeating!
December 30th, 2006 at 5:47 pmI’m sure glad Dumbo believes in fair trials. Dumbo, just be prepared for your impeachment trial.
Dumbo, you can sleep comfortably now knowing that the American people will treat you in a fair manner, just like you’ve treated the American people in a fair manner since you’ve been King, and ripped up the American Constitution.
Folks, our American Constitution has been ripped up by Bush. We need Elmer’s Glue to patch it back up. It’s in a million pieces.
All we need to do is find the ripped piece of paper that instructs how to impeach a president. You can be sure that that was the first part of the American Constitution that Bush ripped up. Bush was probably smirking all over the place as he ripped that part in two.
When I think about it, Bush probably had a litle help as he’s incapable of do anything by himself. Cheney probably helped him rip up the American Constitution.
John
December 30th, 2006 at 5:48 pmKevin, we are not unreal. You have been living under the delusion of GWB for so long that reality to you is now unreal. Please do yourself a favor and try to wake up.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:48 pmCheney probably helped him rip up the American Constitution.
December 30th, 2006 at 5:52 pmI doubt it Bush used it a toilet paper before flushing away the evidence
amazing how the first 9 posts are informative and the next 14 are about trolls , These trolls realise most people only join it at the end of the posts so their actually Goverment Smokescreens employers really
December 30th, 2006 at 5:55 pmSo you all wanted Saddam to go free. Maybe back in Power?
December 30th, 2006 at 6:11 pmComment by Kevin
Why dont you ask Rumsfeld?
Corpus,
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Yeah, you’re right. Bush probably used part of the American Constitution as toilet paper.
No doubt, Bush didn’t use tooooo much of the American Constitution as most of it was definitely used on Turd Blossom’s a**. His a** is the size of Texas, while our King’s a** is more like Rhode Island.
John
December 30th, 2006 at 6:16 pmMr Dulaimi said: “Saddam is a prisoner of war and, according to international law, he should not be handed to his enemies.”
In a last-minute filing to the US District Court of Washington, Hussein’s lawyers asked for a temporary stay of execution because Saddam is a defendant in a civil case in the same court and he has been prevented from being able to defend himself.
They were asking the court for an order to halt the execution.
But US District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said Saddam was not being held in US custody and as a result her court lacked jurisdiction.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:17 pmSo, people, Saddam was hanged (if, in fact he was…yeah, I know I sound like a lunatic but after listening to governments telling me that things are going good, nonetheless people are still starving to death here, I think I can doubt any bullsh*t any government may try to convince me of) for the deaths of 148 shiites. How many hangings GWB need after 600,000+?
December 30th, 2006 at 6:26 pm“Arab anger over Execution”
That makes it easy to point out the islamo-fascists. The stalinist left TPers are also angry over Saddam’s execution. Just another example of the islamo-fascist/stalinist-left alliance.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:30 pmHow many hangings GWB need after 600,000+?
Comment by Juan C — December 30, 2006 @ 6:26 pm
That comes out to about 4054 hangings.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:30 pmExecution Begins to Deepen Divisions
Inter Press Service
Dahr Jamail and Ali al-Fadhily
BAGHDAD, Dec. 30 (IPS) – New divisions appear to be opening up between Iraqi political and religious leaders following the execution of Saddam Hussein Saturday.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:34 pmCorpis is completely right about the illegality of the trial, the denial of due process, and I would add to that the insanity of an “appeal” which occurred in thirty days on a capital case. If anyone cares to recall, the Nuremberg War Crime trials were held at the Hague, in an international forum, and the Nazi criminals could be said to have committed crimes equally as heinous as Saddam’s — perhaps more heinous since he was only tried for his killing of a group of people in 1982, whereas the Nuremberg trials encompassed a far greater scope of death, torture, and evil than was presented at Saddam’s trial.
Those people got due process — not a trial where their lawyers were serially murdered, and the judges essentially took turns and rushed to finish before the next assassination.
We didn’t achieve a single useful goal for democracy with this “trial” and execution. This is not the model about justice and democracy we want the rest of the world to remember and imitate. It was Texas posse and hanging — frontier justice.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:35 pmWe are in a ridiculous situation. Our president is morally bankrupt and criminally insane. This is indisputable; all we have to do to see it is open our eyes and look at what he is doing. Bush defiantly continues to break innumerable domestic and international laws of basic ethical human behavior. Bush is literally embodying and acting out on the world stage what it is to be criminally insane. His pathology is symbolically expressed in his act of not only refusing to participate in the establishment of the International Criminal Court (ICC), but threatening the use of military force in the event that any American national is tried before it.
The guys mad are you going to invade Europe now mr Bush
December 30th, 2006 at 6:37 pmDid GWB order the deaths of the 600k? Our troops are ordered to run around. Find unarmed people and shoot them for fun. Everyone in Iraq is peaceful and would never hurt anyone. That the “real” world you folks live in.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:39 pmBush Needs To Be Impeached for His Own Good
His pathology is symbolically expressed in his act of not only refusing to participate in the establishment of the International Criminal Court (ICC), but threatening the use of military force in the event that any American national is tried before it.
Do something quick
December 30th, 2006 at 6:40 pmIt was Texas posse and hanging — frontier justice.
Comment by Tom Burka
Just like the bully(USA) who got bullied on 9-11, then had to go seek revenge on the weakest opponent.
Not the action of “noble” men, but rather, the eye-for-an-eye, non-Christian behavior so often flaunted by Righties.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:41 pmAfghanistan is a member of (ICC), and can hold anybody accountable even if they are not a member of the ICC ………
Now Bush is saying he will attack Europe my God the man is Insane
December 30th, 2006 at 6:44 pmThat comes out to about 4054 hangings.
Comment by Nat
Thats more than 12 kilometers of rope. Or a lot of time with just one.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:47 pmJust another example of the islamo-fascist/stalinist-left alliance.
Comment by Rick
I havent read anything more stupid than that since your last comment, Rick.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:49 pmNow Bush is saying he will attack Europe my God the man is Insane
Comment by Corpus Mentis Teuchter
That will never happen. Not because GWB is cautious, but because, as any Christian fanatic, he is scared. US will never engage a war against a country that owns nukes. Thats why Iran is so desperate to get them.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:51 pmNope. You folks do. The world I live in is very much real. See in my world we are proud to be from the United States. The US helped the people of Iraq by removing a deadly dictator and help establish a democratic government. A government the people of Iraq voted for. The people, via government judicial system, tried and convicted the “Bucher of Baghdadâ€, and he hung for his crimes. This is a good day for Iraq and a good day for the USA.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:55 pmThere once was an adage that was meant to point out the hypocrisy of radical political factions. Unfortunately, bushco has reached the point where that bit of wisdom seems to have become the norm. The old saying was “We believe in equal rights–and lefts.” It was a means of spoofing the trend of this Country toward the recognition and treatment of minorities, whether they be gender, racial, religious, educational, or intellectual. The Neocon bushco has taken everything up “another notch.” There is nothing sacred anymore except CORPORATE GREED. There is no distinction between truth and reality for the Neocons: “Our Truth is your Reality” DUHbya’s daddy dictated and directed the entire Iraq/Sadam fiasco for two reasons: Daddy was pissed at Sadam because Sadam “dissed” him good and Daddy’s keepers wanted the Iraqi oil. We have listened to six years of Neocon BULLSHIT just so bushco could celebrate. They may be a bit disappointed, however, because their celebration this weekend will mark the end of the reign of King George the Dumb and the influence of King George the Old. In about a week it will be our turn. There will be a bunch of fair trials, deserved convictions, and executions (hopefully only in the figurative sense since it is a crime to expound literally about the result). I am not sorry to see Sadam go, he deserved it. What I am sorry for is the cost to this Country in dollars, credibility, and particularly, lives of our Military, to satisfy the lust and greed of a family of modern day Caesars.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:59 pmThis is a good day for Iraq and a good day for the USA.
Comment by Kevin
You go ahead and keep thinking that, Kevin — if it helps you live with yourself.
December 30th, 2006 at 6:59 pmDid GWB order the deaths of the 600k? Our troops are ordered to run around. Find unarmed people and shoot them for fun. Everyone in Iraq is peaceful and would never hurt anyone. That the “real†world you folks live in.
Comment by Kevin — December 30, 2006 @ 6:39 pm
No not specifically, but the 600,000+ deaths are a result of his ill-conceived and nonessential invasion of Iraq.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:00 pmBaltimore Chronicle
We are in a ridiculous situation. Our president is morally bankrupt and criminally insane. This is indisputable; all we have to do to see it is open our eyes and look at what he is doing. Bush defiantly continues to break innumerable domestic and international laws of basic ethical human behavior. Bush is literally embodying and acting out on the world stage what it is to be criminally insane. His pathology is symbolically expressed in his act of not only refusing to participate in the establishment of the International Criminal Court (ICC), but threatening the use of military force in the event that any American national is tried before it.
And yet, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats have no intention of impeaching Bush. What is wrong with this picture? What does this tell us about Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats? If they don’t hold the Bush administration accountable for their endless crimes against humanity, Pelosi and the Democrats are complicit in the madness and criminality that is being perpetrated by the Bush administration. It is the Democrats’ (not to mention the Republicans’, as well as all patriotic Americans’) ethical and constitutional duty to impeach the occupant of the Oval Office if he is morally and criminally insane. End of argument. We ourselves are also complicit if we don’t demand that Bush and his gang of thugs be removed from office.
Our president is a genuine sociopath; he is clearly not tethered to the real world (which is one of the primary characteristics of madness). Bush lives in the fantasy-land of his own narcissistic imagination. He is acting out the adolescent fantasies of a mythic war of good versus evil with our living sons and daughters as his toy soldiers. He is playing out his extreme unconscious dissociation on the world stage, where he is creating unspeakable suffering for millions of people. He is severely deluded and in extreme denial of what is happening in the real, flesh and blood world. As if blind, Bush is not able to see the destruction he is creating for everyone, himself included. If we don’t see Bush’s madness, however, it is we ourselves who are severely deluded and in extreme denial.
The most direct and profound way to restore dignity and respect for the American people in the eyes of the international community would be to impeach George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the other key members of his criminal gang. Changing Bush’s policy of resisting the ICC and joining forces with the global effort to establish an international rule of law, we can then try Bush and his regime for war crimes in the International Criminal Court. To do anything less is criminal.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:02 pmImpeach Bush and Cheney Now!
December 30th, 2006 at 7:06 pmNope. You folks do. The world I live in is very much real. See in my world we are proud to be from the United States. The US helped the people of Iraq by removing a deadly dictator and help establish a democratic government. A government the people of Iraq voted for. The people, via government judicial system, tried and convicted the “Bucher of Baghdadâ€, and he hung for his crimes. This is a good day for Iraq and a good day for the USA.
Comment by Kevin — December 30, 2006 @ 6:55 pm
-The government is not unified and the Prime Minister of Iraq is not who the people voted for. Iraq is basically run by different militias.
-The trial was a farce from beginning to end.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:09 pmI know Saddam’s been dead for close to 24 hours now and that we should move on to other things, but I couldn’t help make an observation that gave me pause.
One of my commenters just said that “it wasn’t an execution; it was a performance”, which just about perfectly says it all.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:12 pmBBC NEWS just had Tony Benn on Admitting George Bush said he use military force in the event that any American national is tried by the ICC
You can bet Europe will respond to that statement
December 30th, 2006 at 7:20 pm#47 Corpus
I agree completely with your position on bushco. I would suggest, however, than you go easy on Nancy and the Democrats. They, officially, have not yet taken over from DUHbya and the Right Wing-Nuts. Talk of impeachment at this point in time is accepted, expected, and mandated for you, I, and our kindred souls. Such talk, until next week is inappropriate, for the incoming 110th Congress members. Let them get sworn in, settled down, psyched up. and started out. Then, Brothers and Sisters, the Choir will start singing to the Preachers. Bushco will be history before Valentine’s Day or, more fitting, MLK’s Birthday. What a present that would be!
December 30th, 2006 at 7:25 pmThe US helped the people of Iraq by removing a deadly dictator and help establish a democratic government.
Comment by Kevin
Sorry to say this. But that world doesnt exist.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:29 pmCould you explain how the huge american embassy US is building in Iraq or the 10+ permanent military bases are related with the democracy of Iraq? Could you also explain why the iraqi Ministry of Oil was the most protected building in Baghdad after the US forces entered while the city was left for the looters?
a VERY good observation, jurassicpork… chilling…
that same commenter also said: “This was rammed through so fast it ran right into the week of mourning for President Ford. Was that an accident?”
i think not, myself… and had the same epiphany earlier today on the FAST thread (in reply to a comment by sharon)…
EVERYthing these criminals do is planned for ulterior motives…
December 30th, 2006 at 7:31 pmeverything…
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Comment by jurassicpork
I hadnt seen the video of Saddam´s execution. One question, why are those guys putting the rope around his neck have their faces covered? Sure, sounds like a really legitimate hanging. Whatever that means.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:32 pmThanks for the link.
Sorry so late….I was just finishing My Pet Goat and this dang pretzel was acting as an enemy combatant, so I was tied up.
Anyway….where does Bush get off talking about “fair”…
I guess sleeping during the execution is better than laughing. What a ignoramus. Has anyone seen the book The Wit and Anti-Wisdom of G.W.B.? Short read. It would be hilarious, if it weren’t actual….
December 30th, 2006 at 7:43 pmIf Saddam did what he did,according to Bush with solid evidence, what other arena would be better than an international court to document all what he did? what better place would be than international court so the whole world can see this? We did that for the Nazis in Nuremberg. If the US media spends a year long coverning O.J.Simpson trial..I think such trial of Saddam would have been worth watching by the world to see how compelling the reasons Bush gave to go to war. But such court might have put the Republican administration in uncomfortable position being supporters of Saddam and his regime in the past, during the Iraq-Iran war,under Reagan/Bush administration,because they might ask some US officials like Rumsfeld and others to testify before the international body.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:45 pmHas it occurred to anyone but me that the reason Bush had Saddam put to death was to further inflame the civil war in Iraq.
It should be as plain as the nose on your face — everything Bush does furthers the destruction of Iraq and the stealing of its wealth and resources.
The path to Iran is through a violent IRaq that foolish AMericans think needs our protecting.
Bush’s mission was given to him by his Saudi owners. Use the US military to fight the Saudi war against Iran.
When will America wake up that we have been duped. Our soldiers slaughtered, and thousands of IRaqis murdered so the Saudi princes can eventually gain control of Iran.
Why else would Bush kiss the Saudi Prince on the lips. He is beholden to the Saudis, body and soul. They bailed him out of every failed business disaster he ever engaged in.
December 30th, 2006 at 7:57 pmRewrite
Has it occurred to anyone besides me
December 30th, 2006 at 8:02 pmAt this very, very moment, the nation is paying its respects to President Gerald R. Ford. All of the major television networks are broadcasing this event live.
One thought going through my mind is the decency of President Gerald R. Ford. Another thought going through my mind is “undecency” of President George W. Bush. Such a clear contrast in presidents!
I say IMPEACH. The Democrats must play hardball. How many chances have they had to play hardball in the last two decades? They better run with the ball while they have the ball in their hands, and not let this opportunity vanish to nail this most “undecent” president.
John
December 30th, 2006 at 8:02 pmDecency of PResident Ford! Are you serious!
While the Indonesian military was invading East Timor and slaughtering the populace for daring to defend their country, President Ford was waxing eloquent about nations and peoples defending themselves against military aggression.
Ford failed to also state that he had given millions of dollars to the same Indonesian military and stood by and watched as they butchered the East Timorese while giving nary a protest.
So much for decency. The man wasn’t decent. He was a politician who pardoned a criminal and who stood by while thousands were slaughtered with his help.
Decency had nothing to do with it.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB62/
December 30th, 2006 at 8:09 pmDid Children of Lir come out of the coma, or am I misinterpreting?
December 30th, 2006 at 8:10 pmmost of these comments are frightening in their stupidity. Spudge Boy’s pile of diarreah is typical.
A vile, evil, dark soul has been put to death.
America tried to do something noble in Iraq. You can’t stop people from killing each other over religion. Saddam’s brutality just kept it in check for decades, and freedom brought it to the surface.
But keep typing. Even a primate can use a mousepad.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:13 pmGosh, I’m thinking more like Dumbo. UNdecency? Oh my! I pulled a Dumbo.
INDECENCY! How dumb of me. With Dumbo as president, I think all of our IQs have dropped at least 20 points.
I must be in the single digits. At least it’s better than Dumbo. He’s in negative territory. Get out that dunce cap.
John
December 30th, 2006 at 8:13 pm“..A vile, evil, dark soul has been put to death.”
Is that the requirement… if so, then Bush needs to watch out cause the shoe certainly fits
December 30th, 2006 at 8:15 pmEven a primate can use a mousepad.
Comment by my god
Thanks for the demonstration.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:17 pmNow that Saddam was hanged to die..the next thing is to wait and see what Bush has for us in the coming few days in his ‘Iraq surging’ plans .
December 30th, 2006 at 8:17 pm#65America tried to do something noble in Iraq. You can’t stop people from killing each other over religion.
Your position (dare I give it even that much respect) suffers from non sequitors.
Also, you confuse America with Bush. Bush did not try to do something noble. Bush is owned by the Saudi mafia. Bush is a butt boy for the Saudis, he kisses their rings and their lips and he does their bidding in exchange for their billions.
Bush sold out our soldiers. For that alone he deserves to be tried and put in jail. Not hanged. But put in jail as a traitor to this country. He betrayed his office and his country for money. He and his whole family have sucked at the public trough for years, turning the dough over to their cronies, la famia.
Don’t confuse America with Bush. That’s your second mistake.
You’re third error is that you can stop people killing each other over religion. When you allow the people to decide what they will fight for they will immediately stop fighting for religion. It’s the priestly and political class that keep people enthralled in hatred. And the media aids the ruling class in the deception.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:27 pmAmerica tried to do something noble in Iraq. You can’t stop people from killing each other over religion. Saddam’s brutality just kept it in check for decades, and freedom brought it to the surface.
But keep typing. Even a primate can use a mousepad.
Comment by my god
You cant stop killing each other over religion. Hmm. So what are you saying?
December 30th, 2006 at 8:33 pmoh i’m not so sure!
December 30th, 2006 at 8:33 pmi was just laughing at that remark #68 and wanted to say, it’s good to be back, reading “zooey’s zingers”!
My god
It’s spelled diarrhea not diarreah
When you are going to insult someone, at least take the time to spell your insult correctly.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:33 pmThere is nothing “typical” about Spudge Boy.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:33 pmMy God
ALso your metaphor “…pile of diarrhea…” is poor.
Diarrhea does not pile up. It oozes out like a liquid. But perhaps your diarrha does pile up around your brain and is the cause of your strange views.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:36 pmSaddam’s brutality just kept it [Religion] in check for decades.
Think about what you said.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:39 pmWhen you are going to insult someone, at least take the time to spell your insult correctly.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
The quality of Hagette’s insult has declined significantly. *sigh*
December 30th, 2006 at 8:39 pm“As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself–not here at the hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave me a little scratch. As a matter of fact, the Colonel asked if I needed first aid when she first saw me. I was able to avoid any major surgical operations here, but thanks for your compassion, Colonel.”
–Bush at the Amputee Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, January 1, 2006
December 30th, 2006 at 8:39 pmOops, for once that wasn’t Hagette doing the insulting. Hmmm.
Sorry?
December 30th, 2006 at 8:39 pmi was just laughing at that remark #68 and wanted to say, it’s good to be back, reading “zooey’s zingersâ€!
Comment by katy
Hey katy, nice to have you back. :)
December 30th, 2006 at 8:44 pm–Bush at the Amputee Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, January 1, 2006
Comment by SouthPaw
Oh please, tell me he didn’t actually say that to an amputee.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:45 pmBut keep typing. Even a primate can use a mousepad.
Comment by my god
Let us take this to a lower level.
If primates had religion then they would have had perpetual war and destroyed one another for their belief?
Why so has not this happened and humanity cease to exist?
December 30th, 2006 at 8:46 pmWhy so has not this happened and humanity cease to exist?
Comment by Zep Tepi
You try to dazzle ‘em with logic, Zep, and I’ll baffle ‘em with bullshit.
Heh.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:50 pm#83 “As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself–not here at the hospital, but in combat with a cedar.”
Perhaps in the dark Bush mistook the Cedar for a beloved Saudi prince to which he immediately bent over and spread ‘em.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:52 pmChildren,
You do make valid points. You’re right, and I’m in the wrong.
Compared to Bush, though, Ford is a saint. Bush is a Ugo compared to Ford.
When I think about, politicans aren’t very decent folks. Money is soooooo tempting to them. At least Gerald Ford was a likeable guy. Granted, too many things were not so likeable but his exterior was likeable. Nixon had mental problems and was a nasty guy. Again, though, being a politican is a pretty nasty profession. Being truthful and honest is not part of the job.
I’ve watched a little of the TV coverage tonight. Just a little. Why do our elected representatives spend our tax dollars buying Cadillacs? A lot of the cars are Cadillacs. There are a few Lincolns, a few Chrysler 300s, and a good sampling of big SUVs. Do our politicans deserve Cadillacs? Why can’t they ride around in a Chevrolet Malibu?
Who wants a Cadillac? They’re ugly. If someone gave me a Cadillac, I wouldn’t take it. I’d have an ad on Craigslist in 10 minutes. That is the truth! It was once known as the “standard of the world.” That term today is a joke. Lexus is the standard of the world.
OUR POLITICANS TODAY SURE AIN’T THE STANDARD OF THE WORLD. They do deserve a Ugo. A Chevrolet Malibu would be toooooo good for them.
John
December 30th, 2006 at 8:52 pmAs the world reflects on the death of Saddam the dicator, it also worth recalling the words of Bush on dictatorship:
“A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, there’s no question about it.”
- President George W. Bush, July 26, 2001.
“If this were a dictatorship, it’d be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I’m the dictator.”
- President-elect George W. Bush, December 18, 2000.
“You don’t get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier.”
December 30th, 2006 at 8:53 pm- Texas Governor George W. Bush, July 1998.
How you doing this fine eve Zoo?
Just trying to get them to use logic instead of bias.
Happy New Year Zoo
December 30th, 2006 at 8:54 pmwhy, thanks for that zooey…
December 30th, 2006 at 8:55 pmcarry on…
John
You’re not wrong. Misinformed perhaps. I like your image or what a politican deserves – they deserve and Ugo but not a Chevy Malibu.
Personally, I think they deserve to walk on their hands and knees and ask forgiveness for selling our country out for money.
December 30th, 2006 at 8:58 pmCorrection
December 30th, 2006 at 8:58 pmThey deserve to crawl on their hands and knees
Bush is not reffering to a tree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedar_Revolution
December 30th, 2006 at 8:59 pmHappy New Year Zoo
Comment by Zep Tepi
Keep trying with that logic, it couldn’t hurt. :)
Happy New Year, Zep.
December 30th, 2006 at 9:00 pmYES!! I’m #100!
I win the prize, which is…….to be #100. :-D
December 30th, 2006 at 9:04 pmKeep trying with that logic, it couldn’t hurt. :)
Happy New Year, Zep.
Comment by Zooey
We only know what we are taught, or have read. =)
December 30th, 2006 at 9:05 pmWell I must be the 101 dalmation! =)
December 30th, 2006 at 9:05 pm–Bush at the Amputee Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, January 1, 2006
Comment by SouthPaw — December 30, 2006 @ 8:39 pm
i searched for that at youtube… no luck…
December 30th, 2006 at 9:06 pmbut i DO remember seeing a clip of that remark when it happened…
but i’m not sure if he was actually addressing an amputee…
still, truly tacky and thoughtless…
Dangit Zoo you messed up the order! lol
December 30th, 2006 at 9:06 pmIf the democratic congress is unwilling or unable to hobble this administration and our madman leader,I do believe it will take a number of “Extremely Patriotic” events to wake this country from its downward spiral. Yes we had elections and yes we won…so what? I agree we need to see what the new congress has planned but if still nothing changes it is OUR constitutional duty to force change in any way possible.
December 30th, 2006 at 9:07 pmThe American people are out for blood – the blood of traitors – it seems.
Standing Room Only For John Edwards
“Another questioner, Davey van Greenen, asked Edwards whether Bush should be tried and face the same fate as Saddam. “He should be hanged in public himself,” van Greenen said to considerable applause.”
http://rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fap%2F20061230%2Fap_on_el_pr%2Fedwards2008
December 30th, 2006 at 9:10 pmGive Van Greenen a medal. Huzzah Sir Huzzah!
December 30th, 2006 at 9:15 pmSo when does the Mofo in Chief get it, then?
Best end-of-year list I have seen: http://www.slate.com/id/2156397/fr/flyout
Who cares about Iraqi justice when there’s s a dire need of broom-sweeping at home?
December 30th, 2006 at 9:15 pmMy IQ has dropped in the single digits tonight. I can’t even spell. Politic”I”an is the correct spelling.
Politicians, sell them Cadillacs. THINK PROGRESS. Buy skateboards. Save us some money.
John
December 30th, 2006 at 9:16 pmMy IQ has dropped in the single digits tonight. I can’t even spell. Politicâ€Iâ€an is the correct spelling.
Naw, you’ve only broken entropy.
December 30th, 2006 at 9:19 pmVance
It’s the “considerable applause” at the suggestion that Bush should be hanged in public himself” that peeks my interest.
Perhaps America is about to witness a far more serious impeachment than Nixon was threatened with. Nixon’s crimes were not directly connected to war crimes and death, although the bombing of Nicaragua’s harbors and the arming of the Sandinistas certainly approached war crimes.
Now we are witnessing a President who blatantly and flagrantly committed war crimes and boasted about them, proud of them, claiming he did them to protect Americans.
It’s time for Americans to stand up and say “Not in our name you didn’t”
December 30th, 2006 at 9:20 pmCorrection
December 30th, 2006 at 9:25 pmNixon and Kissinger gave support to Pinochet’s fascist takeover of Argentina. The bombing of Nicaragua’s harbor and the Sandinistas was Reagan’s evil doing.
ChildrenofLir
December 30th, 2006 at 9:32 pmI do believe we are about to enter interesting and volitle times. Never in my life have I heard more people in private say what they would love to happen to our president. I also believe that so many are on the cusp of action,they are just unsure if they are alone.
Once this escalation fails and another is pitched,then more people like Mr. VanGreenen will find thier voice and take action.
children of lir, from your link:
Edwards said the Republican-led impeachment of former President Clinton was driven by politics and damaged the nation. “I don’t think the way to correct that mistake is by another mistake,” Edwards said.
well… that’s disappointing… but i suppose at this point it’s what he has to say… and it’s partially true… but impeachment is the only way to rectify the mistakes of bushco and assure the country and future administrations that such behavior will not, MUST NOT, be tolerated…
give the new congress and the subpoenas and investigations some time and impeachment will be inevitable…
December 30th, 2006 at 9:34 pmDangit Zoo you messed up the order! lol
Comment by Zep Tepi
It looks fine to me. :-D
December 30th, 2006 at 9:44 pmWell TP dropped a whole comment I had about Jimmy Carter and the Iranians so I guess that’s to be expected …
But Katy
December 30th, 2006 at 9:50 pmI agree with you that Edwards position on impeachment is the typical nonsense about how the Dems can’t spend time on that — enquiring minds would like to know what’s making all the Dems steer away from impeachment. My guess is its money
Jimmy Carter
December 30th, 2006 at 9:52 pmthat was a test
December 30th, 2006 at 9:52 pmall previous comments by me related to J Carter were never posted -
Jimmy Carter Iranians
December 30th, 2006 at 9:53 pmJ.C Iranians
December 30th, 2006 at 9:54 pmJimmy Carter invited the Shah of Iran into the US. After the US overthrew the democratically elected govt of Mogadishu. The US installed the Shah, who was as bad if not worse than Saddam.
December 30th, 2006 at 9:55 pmit’s always the money…
another thing on that list: public financed elections.
December 30th, 2006 at 9:56 pm.
#119 My guess is if we so far as to impeach and found out the full truth about many matters, we would be forced to do EXACTLY what was done to saddam. I think Edwards and most others know this as well.
December 30th, 2006 at 9:57 pmChildren of Lir
Pinochet took over the government of Chile, not Argentina, once he assaulted the Casa de la Moneda which is the Chile´s version of White House. You are not mistaken in that Viola and Galtieri were argetinians generals trained in the SOA in Fort Benning, Georgia.
December 30th, 2006 at 9:59 pmSowing the seeds of revolution…..Always wanted to be a farmer.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:01 pmVance
December 30th, 2006 at 10:03 pmWhat is the official punishment for treason in the US? It might depend on the court – military, criminal, civil – in which the trial were held. After the President is impeached and removed from office, can he be tried further?
Juan C
December 30th, 2006 at 10:04 pmYou’re right, I got mixed up between Argentina and Chile. Yes Allende was President of Chile. But didn’t the same thing happen in Argentina? My memory is beginning to fail me.
#129 I believe he can. If not by the US court system then certainly by an international one ala Nuremburg.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:06 pmSowing the seeds of revolution…..Always wanted to be a farmer.
Comment by Vance
I’m so there, Vance. I want to see GWB on trial, televised in every state, with no commercial breaks. Then I want to see him marched out of the courthouse, into the van, and taken away forever to live in a tiny cell in an orange jumpsuit.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:06 pmPenalty for treason:
United States Code at 18 U.S.C. § 2381 states “whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.”
December 30th, 2006 at 10:09 pmJuan C
Argentina’s dirty war ‘76 to ‘83 – Under Jimmy Carter’s watch
“Human Rights Watch has long pressed for the repeal of these laws, which allow hundreds of military officials to escape accountability for their role in the abductions, torture and killings committed during the country’s military dictatorship from 1976 to 1983. At least 14,000 people were ‘disappeared’ during that time, known as Argentina’s ‘dirty war.’
December 30th, 2006 at 10:09 pmBravo Zooey…….only if the tiny cell has a large cellmate and a gloryhole. :)
December 30th, 2006 at 10:12 pmI just lost my post which was in a quite advanced state already. Oh my.
There is too much for one single brain to be comprehended.
Some events are so far beyond comprehension that doom seems to have taken control over our entire existence.
The often cited ‘Centuries’ of Nostradamus and his prophecies come to mind. In one comprehendable coup Nostadamus predicted that the ‘Anti Christ’ would appear.
Several verses are related to the accomodating misery,
arising out of the lawless brutality of the opposite of LOVE.
HATE. Edgar Cayce predicted the end of the United States Of America as a result of bigotry, hypocrisy and total loss of the values of the original version of the Constitution of the United States Of America.
In psychology at one time I learned about the abuser’s ability to project the abuse onto the victim and accuse the victim of being responsible for the act of abuse. Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein was played by Uncle Sam and Uncle Tom. And anybody else without nukes will go the
same road.
To call the trial of Saddam fair is to accept the Justice of the Third Reich as legitimate. Judges that bow to an ideology other than Justice are responsible for the path
the world is taking right now. With Iran to be played the
same way the direction is clear. One could argue that the
Anti-Christ would go against Christians, hence the name.
But if we look for a profile of everything that is unchristian,
anti-christian, we will find it in © The Anti-Christ In The White House. Brought to You by the Slave States.
The 15 slave states at the time of the Civil War were Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia (including West Virginia). (The District of Columbia also had slavery prior to the Civil War.) The last northern state to abolish slavery was New Jersey in 1804, although the laws of that state retained slaves over a certain age as “apprentices for life” until the 13th Amendment.
All but five of these states seceded in 1860 and 1861 to form the Confederate States of America; Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri did not leave the Union. West Virginia joined the Union as a slave state in 1863 after seceding from Virginia. Wiki
This is where all the trouble comes from. Slavery.
Slavery is cheating. Slavedrivers or Masters always cheat.
Always on the expense of the weak and helpless.
How would a ‘trial’ have looked like in Texas 1864?
Like the one in Baghdad.
If something looks like it,
and it smells like it,
it most certainly is excactly that.
I wish all the peaceful people out there a Happy New Year
I wish all the fighters to run out of weapons.
And a mysterious and fatal illness for everybody in the
war business.
It’s Just Karma
December 30th, 2006 at 10:19 pmBravo Zooey…….only if the tiny cell has a large cellmate and a gloryhole. :)
Comment by Vance
I don’t want anything to interrupt the nightly nightmares of grieving mothers screaming for their dead children.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:20 pmZooey
You’re image is powerful
If only one could capture the screams of grieving parents and send them directly into Bush’s ears.
It’s estimated 100,000 died during the invasion alone
If only the screams of those who died while being blown to bits, while watching their families raped and killed – if only those screams could travel to Bush’s ears.
If only the whole world could hear the screams of pain. If only.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:28 pmNafta needs to be repealed
December 30th, 2006 at 10:29 pmHuh, I almost forgot…
And if You have been a party member of the republican party from 2000 to 2006 You are barred from any public office. For ever.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:31 pmIf only the whole world could hear the screams of pain. If only.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
Would we still be capable of war?
Probably…
December 30th, 2006 at 10:35 pmViolence is the last refuge of the incompetent…
Asimov wrote that “violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.†George W. Bush took us to war long before it was a “last resort.†I’ve got to wonder, then, what does this imply for us as a people, a……
December 30th, 2006 at 10:38 pmZooey
I still believe that human beings when faced with the reality of pain are moved to do something, with certain exceptions.
I believe, sociopaths like Bush and other mafioso types, live in a world of double talk where pain is quickly turned into profit, and the person quickly forgets any momentary winces. Money can soothe any pain, especially conscience. The upper classes have felt special and exempted from the pain and suffering of the rabble of mankind.
It’s time America stood up for the rabble and brings down the upper classes from their special perch. It will take a revolution of spirit as well as of mind and body.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:41 pmYes you do want to stop their grief.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:42 pmmaybe it’s a good time to post this reminder:
beginning jan.4 – email, phone, us mail each of your reps and senators this simple message:
GET OUT NOW.
every day… tell them what you want, EVERY DAY… start jan.4…
add IMPEACHMENT to that message, in due time…
just don’t let this new congress forget how they got there and who put them there… everyday…
time to walk to dog and kick back… it’s been real…
December 30th, 2006 at 10:43 pmg’nite all…
If only the whole world could hear the screams of pain. If only.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
When I heard Cindy Sheehan say that when they told her of her son’s death she fell on the floor screaming, it made a huge impact on me. I know if I were in her place, I would be on that floor, too.
People need to hear and understand that.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:44 pmYes you do want to stop their grief.
Comment by Zep Tepi
I stated that badly, Zep. I meant I didn’t want anything to interrupt GWB’s nightly nightmares of grieving mothers screaming for their dead children.
Sorry.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:46 pm#146, ItsJustKarma,
I see, ban political speach and representation that is in opposition to your POV. Didn’t go so good for those that have tried in the past…
December 30th, 2006 at 10:47 pmNafta needs to be repealed
Comment by ChildrenofLir
no, it shouldn’t. America cannot defend our borders by land. The sea is our continental border. America, Canada, and Mexico will unite for protection.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:47 pmIt will take a revolution of spirit as well as of mind and body.
Comment by ChildrenofLir
Extremely difficult given the people’s lack of inertia. We’re too damned comfortable — even now.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:49 pmGood post and I agree Katy, that’s step one, if it does not work we will have to hit the street’s and more…..Blessings all….Good Night ladies and gentelmen, play nice….Or not…
December 30th, 2006 at 10:49 pmI stated that badly, Zep. I meant I didn’t want anything to interrupt GWB’s nightly nightmares of grieving mothers screaming for their dead children.
Sorry.
Comment by Zooey
It’s okay Zoo, don’t be sorry. =)
December 30th, 2006 at 10:49 pmZep Tepi
Yes, Nafta should be repealed because it promotes the transit of money across borders to allow investors to reap profits, while humans cannot cross borders. It’s a failed policy now. It needs to be repealed. It has nothing to do with defending borders.
The wealthy don’t respect borders when it comes to money. They only care about borders when it comes to people seeking jobs.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:51 pmExtremely difficult given the people’s lack of inertia. We’re too damned comfortable — even now.
Comment by Zooey
Here is wisdom TY Zoo.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:53 pmZooey
We may not be comfortable for long, especially if Bush bombs Iran. According to Scott Ritter, the first thing IRan will do is cut off the supply of oil and then bomb the Saudi oil fields. IT’s probably why Bush is dithering now about his “surge”. He’s really trying to position the military to bomb Iran, and the military is resisting.
If the Iranians cut off the oil, we shoudl all be prepared for the worst
December 30th, 2006 at 10:56 pmIt’s okay Zoo, don’t be sorry. =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
I just don’t want you to think I want the mothers to suffer with their grief longer than they already will.
December 30th, 2006 at 10:56 pmZep Tepi
Yes, Nafta should be repealed because it promotes the transit of money across borders to allow investors to reap profits,
I disagree. But that is my opinion =)
December 30th, 2006 at 10:56 pmf the Iranians cut off the oil, we shoudl all be prepared for the worst
Comment by ChildrenofLir
Actuallly most of our oil comes from canada and mexico
December 30th, 2006 at 10:59 pmZep Tepi
December 30th, 2006 at 11:00 pmYou are seriously misinformed about several things, especially the Iranian oil situation as it relates to Saudi Arabia’s oil. But that’s your choosing.
sorry I missed most of this post today.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:00 pmI only can hope Bush believes his upcoming trial will be fair.
I just don’t want you to think I want the mothers to suffer with their grief longer than they already will.
Comment by Zooey
Your heart is of gold Zoo, I know you mean well.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:01 pmHere is wisdom TY Zoo.
Comment by Zep Tepi
:-)
December 30th, 2006 at 11:01 pmIf the Iranians cut off the oil, we shoudl all be prepared for the worst
Comment by ChildrenofLir
Oil cut off or not, we’ll be in deep shit if GWB bombs Iran.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:03 pmWe just can’t let him do it.
Zep Tepi
You are seriously misinformed about several things, especially the Iranian oil situation as it relates to Saudi Arabia’s oil. But that’s your choosing.
Comment by ChildrenofLi
Again most of Americas oil comes from Canada and Mexico
December 30th, 2006 at 11:04 pmGood evening all.
some observations. It took 5-8 million deaths in the holocaust for Europe to wake up to the realization that War is wrong. American hasn’t had that experience – yet.
The military has prepared Star Wars type weaponry for use against civilians.
FEMA has build concentration camps scattered across the U.S.
All is in place to destroy civilian protests and lock up the protesters as enemy combatants, and deprive them hearings under the Military Commissions Act. Citizen or not, if you’re not allowed outside contact, you cannot get a hearing, nor counsel. You simply disappear.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:12 pmAgain most of Americas oil comes from Canada and Mexico
Comment by Zep Tepi
Why do we worry so much about the ME and our oil prices?
December 30th, 2006 at 11:14 pmFEMA has build concentration camps scattered across the U.S.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
Um, what? Where?
December 30th, 2006 at 11:16 pmWhy do we worry so much about the ME and our oil prices?
Comment by Zooey
=)
December 30th, 2006 at 11:20 pm=)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Oooo-kay.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:23 pmAll is in place to destroy civilian protests and lock up the protesters as enemy combatants, and deprive them hearings under the Military Commissions Act. Citizen or not, if you’re not allowed outside contact, you cannot get a hearing, nor counsel. You simply disappear.
if that were true you would have been gone already.Look, If America did that their economy would crumble.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:25 pmBring it down a notch. What, exactly, do you depend on?
Transportation….bike, feet, bus, train.
Shelter….hmmmmmmm. Pass~
[Anyone know the number for Mr. Maresca? 555-1212]
Food….I love Raman noodles. Crap, that involves heat. BUST!!]
The three reasons for the war
O–I–L…….
December 30th, 2006 at 11:26 pmThe three reasons for the war
O–I–L…….
Comment by SouthPaw
Nope. Think man think.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:29 pm#157
Your options:
Metaphorically,
1. Kill and skin the cat.
2. Use cat skin to skim out cat shit.
3. Throw remainder of cat into stew to make up for any meat that was lost.
4. Enjoy your dinner.
Politically,
1. Impeach DUHbya.
2 Use DUHbya’s demise to skim out other Neocons.
3. Throw all Neocons in the Federal pen and let them stew for twenty years.
4. Enjoy a Democratic, Corruption Free (Just remind them of the Stew) Administration for eight years at least.
December 30th, 2006 at 11:31 pmNope. Think man think.
Comment by Zep Tepi
Aw, c’mon. It’s Saturday night….
December 30th, 2006 at 11:41 pmUhhhh, Zep…..
1) Sand is like-you know-dusty. Reminds me of Texas.
2) Crawford and Crawl kinda sound simmerly. Yeah.
3) Laura and I just dictated…anyone got a towel?
December 30th, 2006 at 11:46 pm#178,
Zooey, just so you know.
By the way, guess how much oil we get from Iran?!?
December 30th, 2006 at 11:55 pmBy the way, guess how much oil we get from Iran?!?
Comment by robert
Um, none?
Thanks for the link, Robert.
December 31st, 2006 at 12:01 amI’m curious as to how many readers here know what Saddam Hussein received the death penalty for. I’ve been asking people today, strangers on the streets of an affluent, well-educated major metropolitan city, and none of them knew what the trial that found him guilty was about.
If you think it was for gassing the Kurds, it wasn’t. Hussein’s execution ends that trial, which had begun in August, 2006.
If you think it was for draining the marshes, killing the marsh arabs, it wasn’t that either.
If you think it was for killing Kuwaitis or Iranians, no, that trial hadn’t begun.
Why was there such a rush to kill him?
December 31st, 2006 at 12:02 amPrepare for retaliation
Saddam’s Ba’ath party threatened to retaliate if their ousted leader was executed.
A statement posted on the internet said: “Our party warns again of the results of carrying out such a verdict on the situation in Iraq and America in particular … It is the most dangerous red line that the American administration should not cross.â€
December 31st, 2006 at 12:08 amIf we didn`t get our oil shipments from Iran their wouldn`t be a PNAC reason to be over there now would there.
We are not Iran`s biggest customer I can assure you.
Which is it? Do we get our oil from there or not? If so, how much?
December 31st, 2006 at 12:21 amANWAR and the Gulf Region.
Comment by robert
Gulf, yes
ANWAR, no
Conservation by every citizen is a must!
December 31st, 2006 at 12:23 amGulf, yes
ANWAR, no
Comment by Zooey
We can reach a compromise, I’ll give you ANWAR at 7 points.
Conservation by every citizen is a must!
Agreed!
December 31st, 2006 at 12:31 amDoes he believe in them so strongly as to put his own checkered past at the mercy of the world’s judiciary?
Didn’t think so.
December 31st, 2006 at 12:33 am#199,
Got it, thank for the clarification.
December 31st, 2006 at 12:33 amWe can reach a compromise, I’ll give you ANWAR at 7 points.
Is that a sports thing?
We don’t need to ruin every corner of this earth because of human greed.
Conservation by every citizen is a must!
Agreed!
Comment by robert
Damn, we’re good. :)
December 31st, 2006 at 12:36 amGLORY (you know who to ask on that one)
Comment by robert
Heh. You’re not saying it, but you’re thinking it. :)
No drilling in ANWAR — walk, ride a bike, stay home, wahtever.
December 31st, 2006 at 12:48 amHeh. You’re not saying it, but you’re thinking it. :)
like you didn’t know………
never said I didn’t think it, just can’t say it ;) you can tell other to read between those lines.
December 31st, 2006 at 12:52 amSometimes it fun!!!
Comment by robert
Oy, my head hurts.
Goodnight!!
December 31st, 2006 at 12:53 amGood noght to all, it’s been fun>>>>>>>>>>>
December 31st, 2006 at 12:59 amAll the industrialized nations of the world compete for the oil available, so it does not matter if the US technically gets oil from Iran or not. So if a war with Iran caused all the oil from the Persian Gulf states to be cut off, then oil availability worldwide would be reduced by at least 30%, which means an extreme price increase for gas at the pumps in the US.
That would mean gasoline skyrocketing to $6 to $10 a gallon, and rationing of gasoline, if the oil was disrupted from the Gulf region more than a couple of months. The Bush Regime seems to desire anarchy for America too, because this would cause our economy to collapse and loss of jobs, so another “Great Depression” created by Bush Junior!
December 31st, 2006 at 12:59 amyou can tell other to read between those lines.
Comment by robert
Sometimes.
Other times I’ll let you twist in the wind.
Keep ‘em off balance, I always say…. :)
Goodnight — I mean it this time!
December 31st, 2006 at 1:01 amI just viewed an uncensured video of Saddam being hanged. Apparently somebody smuggled in a video camera to film it secretly. It’s a shocking film to watch, because what the press has been showing was doctored footage. This bootleg copy will eventually be seen worldwide and all hell is going to break loose. The raw footage got posted on AmericaBlog.com thread a short while ago. Bush has just ignited the beginning of WWIII > stockpile food, water and cash!
December 31st, 2006 at 1:31 amNobody really mourns Saddam. He was no longer important for anyone, he was powerless because of the invasion/capture and was never a Sunni leader (in any reigious sense). Shiites cheer both Iraqi and Irani. I don’t know if the Kurds do, because they really didn’t get to tell their complete story.
There are oddities about the events of the past several days and about the trials themselves. The trials do not measure up to the integrity expected from international law regarding crimes against humanity and they are tainted by revenge.
For the Kurdish trial, one can only suspect that Saddam’s lawyers would have tried to bring out into the open -> from whence Saddam obtained chemical weapons and what countries were implicated. If allowed, this information woud have been embarassing to certain western countries including the US, if not just because of supply then because of acquiescence when the attrocities were being committed.
It is also rather interesting that the main incompetent stooge of the US post invasion restoration (Bremer) was also involved in setting up the legal boundaries for holding the Saddam trial. One wonders really how much one man can really mess up (destroy all socio-economic, military and para-military infrastructure and then set up legal systems without political legitimacy?)
In truth, until he crossed us, Saddam was a US sponsored dictator just as were Batista, Samoza, Noriega, Marcos, Pinochet, or the Shah.
The truth will eventually win out.
December 31st, 2006 at 2:00 amcnn has part of the crude execution video
December 31st, 2006 at 2:07 amHey fellow posters, it’s my birthday and its 4:55am and im listening to ELO Telephone Song…..a little drunk and still have the day ahead. Nice to forget the anger and celebrate myself fro once…I wish you all the same this eve. happy new years well spoken kindred.
December 31st, 2006 at 4:58 amHe takes his secrets to the grave. Our complicity dies with him
We’ve shut him up. The moment Saddam’s hooded executioner pulled the lever of the trapdoor in Baghdad yesterday morning, Washington’s secrets were safe. The shameless, outrageous, covert military support which the United States – and Britain – gave to Saddam for more than a decade remains the one terrible story which our presidents and prime ministers do not want the world to remember. And now Saddam, who knew the full extent of that Western support – given to him while he was perpetrating some of the worst atrocities since the Second World War – is dead.
December 31st, 2006 at 5:31 amVideo shows Saddam being taunted
Someone among the witnesses can be heard praising Muhammad Bakr al-Sadr, the founder of the Shia Dawa party and an uncle of Muqtada al-Sadr, who was executed in 1980 by Saddam.
“God damn you,” a guard said.
“God damn you,” replied Saddam.
In Fact I read another article I cannot find of everyword spoken and he was taunted BIG TIME
December 31st, 2006 at 6:44 amTwo guards added, “Supporting his son Moktada, Moktada, Moktada.â€
Mr. Hussein seemed a bit stunned, swinging his head in their direction.
They were talking about Moktada al-Sadr, the firebrand cleric whose militia is now committing some of the worst violence in the sectarian fighting; he is the son of a revered Shiite cleric, Muhammad Sadiq al-Sadr, whom many believe Mr. Hussein ordered murdered.
“Moktada?†he spat out, mixing sarcasm and disbelief.
Mowaffak al-Rubaie, Iraq’s national security adviser, asked Mr. Hussein if he had any remorse or fear.
“No,†he said bluntly. “I am a militant and I have no fear for myself. I have spent my life in jihad and fighting aggression. Anyone who takes this route should not be afraid.â€
Mr. Rubaie, standing shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Hussein, asked him about the killing of the elder Mr. Sadr.
They were standing so close to each other that others could not hear the exchange.
One of the guards, though, became angry. “You have destroyed us,†the masked man yelled. “You have killed us. You have made us live in destitution.â€
Mr. Hussein was scornful: “I have saved you from destitution and misery and destroyed your enemies, the Persians and Americans.â€
The guard cursed him. “God damn you.â€
Mr. Hussein replied, “God damn you.â€
Two witnesses, apparently uninvolved in selecting the guards, exchanged a quiet joke, saying they gathered that the goal of disbanding the militias had yet to be accomplished.
The deputy prosecutor, Mr. Faroun, berated the guards, saying, “I will not accept any offense directed at him.â€
December 31st, 2006 at 6:45 amFull Saddam Execution Video Leaked from Cellphone
You know things just get worse for bush ????
December 31st, 2006 at 7:46 amI agree with Dubya on this one…I also believe in fair trials and believe the United States should give Dubya and Cheney and Gonzalez et al all a fair trial for all the crimes they have committed in the past six years….
Chimpeachment is the answer to most of the problems we face today.
December 31st, 2006 at 9:05 amI believe in a fair trial, too, and that’s just what Bush should get for his war crimes.
December 31st, 2006 at 9:27 amHey fellow posters, it’s my birthday and its 4:55am and im listening to ELO Telephone Song…..a little drunk and still have the day ahead. Nice to forget the anger and celebrate myself fro once…I wish you all the same this eve. happy new years well spoken kindred.
Comment by Vance
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, VANCE!!!
December 31st, 2006 at 9:54 amWell at least GWB will get a fair trial. Saddam and GWB will meet again.
December 31st, 2006 at 10:08 amHussein should have been sent to The Hague and put on trial by the International Court of Justice. As it stands, he was only convicted for some of his crimes — the massacre of 148 men and boys in reprisal over an assassination attempt. Now, he will never be put on trial for gassing entire Kurdish villages, and other assorted atrocities. What was the haste to hang him all about? Revenge, I suppose. But it has deprived countless Kurds and other Iraqis of vindication.
December 31st, 2006 at 10:40 amleave it to Fox news to set new standards. It’s got a link to the entire Saddam Hanging video.
December 31st, 2006 at 10:49 amComment by Briseadh na Faire
I honestly didn’t think the entire thing would be on a “major” network. Fox is so kewl… not.
December 31st, 2006 at 10:53 amInteresting story about Paulson and Wanta’s trillions. That’s enough money to seriously affect the global economy.
if that [U.S. Concentration Camps/Detention Centers/ were true you would have been gone already.Look, If America did that their economy would crumble.
Comment by Zep Tepi — December 30, 2006 @ 11:25 pm
Or they could be in place to handle the inevitable protestors after the economy tanks. What do you do with tens of millions of people when there’s not enough food?
December 31st, 2006 at 10:56 amFOX is showing the execution video now, because it has spread out on the Internet across the entire world, so the Bush Regime needs FOX goons to try to spin that video in their favor, but most people who view that video can tell Saddam was lynched not hanged in proper fashion.
December 31st, 2006 at 11:18 amCNN shows it right up to the point he is going to drop, then stops.
December 31st, 2006 at 12:19 pmKevin
You minimalistic, short-sighted, narrow-minded fool…
No one here (that I have seen) is sating Saddam was innocent and should have been released or (god forbid) been put back in power.
IMHO, he deserved to die – but that does not mean he should be executed without an internationally recognized and respected trial. We have risked what little credibility we have left by flaunting and manipulating the legal system of Iraq and international law.
Just we did something did may seem correct, does not mean we did it correctly.
That is a distinction I would hope you comprehend, but I’m not holding my breath given your previous statements…
December 31st, 2006 at 12:50 pmI believe in fair trials, as well. And when george w bush stands before the International Criminal Court we shall see that fair trials do work.
December 31st, 2006 at 1:23 pmLet the Rule of Law bring peace to the world.
Finally Bush sees a fair trial he supports!!!
December 31st, 2006 at 10:42 pmUmm, except it was not exactly a fair trial. I take it back. Bush sees, yet again, a kangaroo court he loves.
December 31st, 2006 at 10:43 pmWhat does Bush know about fair trials? His got off on what, his 18th DUI? Being rich means you don’t have to go to court.
December 31st, 2006 at 11:50 pm#56
“One question, why are those guys putting the rope around his neck have their faces covered?”
Same reason you post here and don’t reveal your real name and where you live.
January 1st, 2007 at 3:41 pm#221 Because you might have the NSA on your ass? Not sure the Iraqis are so worried about that.
January 1st, 2007 at 9:14 pmArrest or Hang Bush?
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:35 amArrest or hang Bush?
http://tinyurl.com/yxrxow
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:36 amImpeach Bush or hang him high?
click > http://tinyurl.com/ya6eky
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:30 pmBiggest murderer:
Bush or Hitler?
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:34 pmBiggest murderer:
Clinton or Hilter?
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Clinton+was+a+murderer&word2=hitler+was+a+murderer
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:05 pm