Fox News Segment Falsely Claims That Denver Blizzard Casts Doubt On Global Warming
Fox News Segment Falsely Claims That Denver Blizzard Casts Doubt On Global Warming
Today, prominent climate skeptics Pat Michaels and Dan Gainor appeared on Fox News’ Your World with Neil Cavuto to argue that the recent snowstorms in Denver prove there is a “Northeast bias” on global warming. Both agreed with Cavuto’s claim that if “more of those who support global warming did not live in the East Coast, or more specifically in New York, and were stationed in Denver,” they might be more skeptical of global warming.
Michaels added that “if you believe that warming causes cooling, you’re like my neighbors down in Virginia who think that if you put hot water in the ice cube tray, it freezes faster. It doesn’t work that way.” Watch it:
The severe blizzards in Colorado weren’t necessarily caused by global warming. But they also don’t prove that climate change isn’t happening. As the concentration of carbon dioxide increases, the frequency of extreme weather events — including snowstorms — also increases. Additionally, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s 2001 report notes that “global average water vapour concentration and precipitation are projected to increase during the 21st century.”
Transcript:
PAT MICHAELS: Uh, Neil, if you believe that warming causes cooling, you’re like my neighbors down in Virginia who think that if you put hot water in the ice cube tray, it freezes faster. It doesn’t work that way.
And in fact, in Denver, there were very few people who, I think, tried to conflate the snowstorm with warming, they just tried to ignore the fact, that in fact it’s snowing like crazy in Denver, despite the fact that unlike in the East, where there is no warming trend in the winter temperatures, there is a warming trend in the winter temperatures in Colorado.
NEIL CAVUTO: Dan, if more of those who support global warming did not live in the East Coast, or more specifically in New York, and were stationed in Denver, they might have a different take on things?
DAN GAINOR: Oh, I think so.
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Except for ignorance or greed, why would awake humans argue that global warming does not exist? Because the consequenses are so terrible, shouldn’t we work to fix the problem?
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:49 pmIgnorance is bliss - but I wish it would shut up.
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:51 pmUnfortunately the ignorant usually end up on Fox.
BTW, I heard Rupert Murdoch may buy the WS Journal.
They should come here to Indiana…. so far this year NO snow just rain, some warm days, and a couple morning freezes. That isnt proof of anything either, but it has never happened since I have lived here in the past 33 years. Unless things pick up I am starting to think this is going to be the year with no winter in Indiana.
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:53 pmThere has to be something illegal about media outlets
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:55 pmlike fox. They’re criminal if you ask me.
Actually hot water often does freeze faster than cold water. I remember a Mr. Wizard where they did that experiment. Here’s more.
http://math.ucr.edu/ home/ baez/ physics/ General/ hot_water.html
It doesn’t work in all cases, but hot tap water seems to have frozen quicker than cool tap water if I remember right.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:00 pmI remember back in the 80’s when it was beginning to be clear that CFCs were contributing to ozone depletion. The right-wingers got on their hobbyhorse at the behest of the chemical industry and spread lies and disinformation about ozone depletion. Rush Limbaugh famously (and of course erroneously) claimed that volcanoes were a greater contributor to ozone depletion than CFCs.
I found myself refuting this argument a lot. The people whom I had to argue with had assumed that anything they heard on the radio was the truth. Fox’s audience is still composed of these same people.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:03 pmsounds like another El nina
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:07 pm#5
That’s impressive
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmNOAA Says La Niña Here as Predicted
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 pm2, 2006 — The NOAA Climate Prediction Center announced today the official return of La Niña. Agency forecasters predicted La Niña was forming nearly three …
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2006/s2572.htm
“if you believe that I’m not an idiot then you must be one, too.” - Pat Michaels.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmI just googled the average temperatures for NYC and for Jan. it’s a high average of 39 and a low of 26 both Fahrenheit. This week however, the average is 55 with a high of 59 predicted for Sat. douche bags. Like my uncle Bob from Kansas used to say Only 2 type of people predict the weather, professionals and fools. I rest my case.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:13 pmThe problem today with disinformation like this is that so much is at stake. There was an argument on a previous thread that freedom of speech ddin’t cover people who shour “fire” in a crowded theater. Does freedom of speech the cover the person who in response to the cry of fire, tells the patrons that there is no fire, before discerning whether there is a fire? If the first guy is wrong, nobody dies. If the second guy is wrong, everyone might die. I know repetition of lies is the best weapon they have, but we don’t have an anti-Fox to repeat the truth.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:17 pmwow - seems like one would check out the facts about the “hot water in the ice cube tray” story before spouting it as ridiculous…
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:20 pmthanks for that link, grrrl… i always wondered if it was an “old wives tale” but did it as my dad directed anyway… heh…
The global warming problem has been solved. It’s been really cold in Idaho lately.
**eyes rolling**
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:22 pmIt may well be that the a problem which the incoming Democratic congress hasn’t considered is that they need a bully pulpit from which to talk. Another problem is of course that journalists have forgotten, or been scared out of, the common sense postion of repeating lies and disinformation as an opposing viewpoint. There is an upcominmg progressive conference on media reform that should yield some interesting stuff.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:22 pm*eyes rolling**
Comment by Zooey
better stop that, your eyes are gonna get stuck that way
(mom used to tell me that! =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:25 pmand, gerald gibson, we are neighbors, sort of, as i am in central illinois…
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:26 pmi don’t remember a real winter in several years… this one has been the warmest ever though…
my son was home from california for xmas and was disappointed to not have winter weather…
of course, we have a saying here in illinois - if you don’t like the weather, just wait a day, it’ll change…
fly-man,
My forecast on Cape Cod…
we’ve had zero snow so far…
WED Sunny Hi 48° Lo 38°
THU Mostly Sunny Hi 49° Lo 42°
FRI Few Showers Hi 52° Lo 44°
SAT Few Showers Hi 50° Lo 37°
SUN Mostly Cloudy Hi 47° Lo 37°
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:27 pmYAY! No winter !! I hate winter. Hate it hate it hate it. It’s freaking miserable. I’ll take no winter please. It would be nice if things were a little more tropical around here. Year round 80 degree weather. Nice.
Well, ok except for the plagues of moquitos and flies, but that’s why God gave us DDT.
But I’m serious about hating winter.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:29 pmEven if I have no idea who you are.
In commemorance of proud Jewish people who defended their existence I translate the following article out of German:
It seemed like a wonder when the walls fell in the upto then divided Jerusalem. Witnesses have decribed how they -astonished- ran the streets of Jerusalem on and on without hitting borders. Until then the other part -east and west- was completly strange to them. Jews and Arabs experienced the same. All of a sudden for everyone -outta a grasp- everything was open.
Jerusalems mayor Teddy Kollek -two years preceeding elected into office- was perceiving things less drunken-more sobber without neglecting the enormous chance. “When the town was reunited my first caress was: How would the people live together?”
So he commemorated in retrospective on his ninetieth birthday what was moving him back then:
The assembly of an expert committee; the idea to build a green belt around the city; his own resolution to equalize the wages of Arab workers with those of Jewish ones.
Dry kind
It belonged to Teddys dry kind to remember big feelings in short report tone. “Childs” he used to say and to smoke a cigar brand Churchill when u wanted to know something personal about the many extraordinary incidents (moments) in his life. “Others can tell better.”
Still he was the one who didn´t experience certain things immediatly but to design them actively. He, born 1911 as Theodore Kollek in a village close to Budapest, raised in Vienna of the twenties and 1935 emigrated to Palestine with his family, wrote Israeli history with his own hand. Whether as a couraged organizer of rescue missions for Jews in Nazi-Germany - and even held talks with SS-man Adolf Eichman (oakman) to deliver 3000 concentration camp inmates to the British zone of palestine. Whether as an arms smuggler in a mission of David Ben-Gurion, his idol and sponsor in the years of Israeli state foundation.
The hagganah, the biggest Jewish underground foundation, needed reinforcements 47-48. Washington back then imposed sanctions on wary states. “Once they sent us twenty small planes packed as instant houses out of the United States. The disassembled wings were delivered seperatly,” the aged Kollek narrated when he was still spending some hours in his office at the “Jerusalem foundation.”
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:30 pmWell, we have not gotten any snow in NYC yet! Colorado is hogging it all.
Seriously, this is freaky. The forecast for the next week is for the temperature to be in the high 50’s here. This is the first year in aeons that NYC did not get snow in December.
I want a blizzard! I love snow!
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:31 pmI knew someone would try to use the blizzard as some kind of argument against global warming. I had to live through this and I still know its getting warmer here in Colorado overall.
Sad thing is, most people don’t understand how global warming really works… or much else about the atmosphere, etc. So they are gullible to this kind of lie.
Its very simple:
More heat = more precipitation globally = more blizzards, floods, etc.
But paradoxically it also means more desertification and drought during the summer months. More precipitation but only during extreme events with more moderate rainfall becoming increasingly scarce. Like the African savannas, what’s left evaporates quickly.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:31 pmI figured that the the False News Channel would pull a stunt like this.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:33 pmbetter stop that, your eyes are gonna get stuck that way
(mom used to tell me that! =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Mine used to say that, too. Moms are so wise……..assed. :)
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:33 pmTo re-post myself:
Turns out 2006 was the warmest year for the Metroplex (Dallas/Ft. Worth) since record-keeping started more than 100 years ago. The average high temperature for the year was 80.4 degrees — the first time the region’s highs averaged above 80.
Can you say MOSQUITOS?
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:33 pmBut I’m serious about hating winter.
Comment by Jake
What are ya, some sort of commie pinko?
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:35 pmWinter is the best time of year!
I want a blizzard! I love snow!
Comment by New Yorker
Now you’ve gone and done it — put a hex upon the Northeast!
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:36 pmNo!!!
#20- ccokz,
What the f*c* are you talking about? Got anything to say about the subject hand?
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:36 pmWhat are ya, some sort of commie pinko?
Winter is the best time of year!
Comment by Zooey
Says the woman who lives in Idaho.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:38 pmMine used to say that, too. Moms are so wise……..assed. :)
Comment by Zooey
So that “self-help” group really worked?
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:41 pm;)
Yeah, every year, about the same time, the Earth seems to go through rapid cooling, then in a few months, warming again. I think the Earth is just Bi-Polar. She don’t know if shes hot or cold. Scientists need to inject hormones in the Earth’s core, and stabilize all this annual cooling and warming.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:41 pmOnly Terrorists and gang bangers hate winter.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:41 pmShort version of Pat Michaels’ blather:
(eyes shut, hands on ears) “Global warming is not happening, not, not, not happenning… lah lah lah… I can’t hear you… ah lah lah lah..”
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmBut I’m serious about hating winter.
Comment by Jake
I used to live in Denver as kid. We had huge snowforts and snowball fights before and after school. Loved it!
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:42 pmGang Bang used to mean group sex.
Now it means shooting and stuff. I can’t believe what things have come to.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:43 pmFox News is total propaganda at this point. They deserve to be off the air! Either that or they need to declare that they’ve become a “comedy show” instead of factual, honest news. They’re a hideous joke!
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:43 pmSays the woman who lives in Idaho.
Comment by trueblue
We have commie pinko season out here. It starts in October, and the tags cost more than my house. Let me tell ya, there’s a waiting list for them tags.
:-)
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:43 pmSo that “self-help†group really worked?
;)
Comment by trueblue
Yep. That’s where I learned to love my inner wise ass.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:46 pmThe assembly of an expert committee; the idea to build a green belt around the city; his own resolution to equalize the wages of Arab workers with those of Jewish ones.
I think that was a great idea, too bad so many, around the world, put their humanity after their ideology, And instead put their faith and ideology before what they all are - humans.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:46 pmHey, I’m from the deep south and my whole life I didn’t really have to worry about winter, or at least for only a few weeks of 40 degree weather. I moved farther north, uh, to the not so deep south, and the weather SUX. Winter actually comes and then it stays, for like 4 months that seem like 6. It’s miserable. You shouldn’t have to “gear up” just to go outside. And the gloominess and greyness. It’s depressing.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:46 pmI can’t even comment on FOX news. Whatever.
I do think the demographic they play to during the day is pretty sad though.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:48 pmGrowing up in PHx AZ, I use to wish for winter. I longed for the months of not being covered in sweat. Good thing I don’t live there anymore.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:49 pmIt’s a red flag if a person has an overabundance of self-help books. Some are good though.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmYou left Phoenix, For Truth?
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmI’m sick of these guys.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmYou shouldn’t have to “gear up†just to go outside.
Who gears up? It’s sweater weather until its below 25 degrees. :)
And the gloominess and greyness. It’s depressing.
Comment by Jake
I admit the gloom gets to me by February.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:50 pmYep. That’s where I learned to love my inner wise ass.
Comment by Zooey
I learned mine working construction and hangars =)
The people over at Eschaton call me a twisted bully LMAO!
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:51 pmI can’t even comment on FOX news. Whatever.
Newshounds (web site) is great for that =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:52 pmThanks for biting TrueBlue,
I did leave Phx, and came back, then left again in 2000. It’s a rule not to intentionally visit during half the year, when its too hot.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:54 pmI learned mine working construction and hangars =)
Sometimes you just gotta let it out, or you’re going to tip someone off the edge of that hangar, right?
The people over at Eschaton call me a twisted bully LMAO!
Comment by Zep Tepi
They are weenies.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:55 pmIt’s a red flag if a person has an overabundance of self-help books. Some are good though.
Comment by ForTruth
The Joy of Sex
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:57 pmKama Sutra
etc…
Maybe someone should tell cavuto and his guests about the Mpemba effect. Under certain conditions hot water can freeze faster than cold.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mpemba_effect
of course, if these guys ever formed their views based on science and objective evidence, they wouldn’t be on fox!
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:59 pmThey are weenies.
Comment by Zooey
Yeh, a very difficult clickish group to communicate with. But I still like to try anyway =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:02 pmYeh, a very difficult clickish group to communicate with. But I still like to try anyway =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Like on TP? :)
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:04 pmDo people still really watch Fox News? Why can’t we all collectively throw them down the memory hole? Go away Fox! Leave! The other news has enough propaganda for all of us, we don’t need it wholesale from you!
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:08 pm#61
Oh, MA,
So your husband is a racist?
Guess I should have figured.
Any other stories of your dead baby?
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:10 pmMichigan has been terrible this year. We have had very little snow - December 25th it was warm. WARM. YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY THAT. In my 17 years of existence, and my parents ~45 years of existence, this hasn’t happened: December 25th was always cold. I should not want to swim in my pool on December 25th. I think you can’t really come up with anything more compelling than this.
Global warming is more like a logical chain, that in denialists gets broken. Ask a denialist these questions, and have evidence ready (you can find it most anywhere):
1. Do Greenhouse gases exist?
2. Is carbon dioxide a greenhouse gas?
3. If there is a large amount of greenhouse gas in Earth’s atmosphere, more than in the past 650,000 years, would this cause a changed temperature trend?
4. Do cars, factories, and power plants release carbon dioxide?
5. Are humans causing global warming?
The first four are solid fact. The last one is part of the logic train. Denialists will give a positive answer to the first 4. The fifth one, however, will generally be a denial. If it isn’t, expect apathy in its’ place, or some kind of excuse for not acting that they are regurgitating from FOX.
If it doesn’t accomplish the goal of awarement, it will at least make a denialist look and feel like a jackass.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:11 pmYeh, a very difficult clickish group to communicate with. But I still like to try anyway =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Like on TP? :)
Comment by Zooey
That’s what I liked about TP, Zooey.
As long as you weren’t a troll, you were part of a big family.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:12 pmLike on TP? :)
Comment by Zooey
I never said being ugly bart was easy, lol, yesterday they called me Preying Mantis LMAO!
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:14 pmhttp://simplyappalling.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 01/ global-warming-effect-of-day.html
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:18 pmXbot:
Are you sure you’re only 17?
BTW: My 17 year old loves the Wii. Have you tried it?
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:20 pm(not to get off the subject for long) She’s watching X-Play as I type…
As long as you weren’t a troll, you were part of a big family.
Comment by trueblue
I’m getting all choked up….
Heh.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:22 pmI never said being ugly bart was easy, lol, yesterday they called me Preying Mantis LMAO!
Comment by Zep Tepi
Why are you picking on those poor weenies? :)
Every time I think I want to comment on Eschaton, I click on the comments section, see the word “Frist!!” and realize I don’t really want to go on.
You must be very different over there. Preying Mantis — now that’s a good one!
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:26 pmFox News is utter crap. Anyone watching this garbage is at best a fool, at worst a psychopath.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:26 pma VERY interesting site, bonnie…
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:29 pmEvery time I think I want to comment on Eschaton, I click on the comments section, see the word “Frist!!†and realize I don’t really want to go on.
Comment by Zooey —
Unfortunately, they still do that on a couple of sites.
:(
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:31 pmNote to fruit cakes- It was 99 degrees in Alice Springs today. So global warming is real. Here it is Winter and a 99 degree reading.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:31 pmthat “frist” crap was b.s. … i remember a time or 2 it was attempted here… didn’t go over, thankfully… i see it less at C&L also…
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:31 pmi thought there was going to be an attempt to get the term changed to a more meaningful and accurate “global climate change”…
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:34 pmor something like that… should…
It’s now 34 degrees F. here in my little corner of TN. More proof that global warming doesn’t exist. (Heh!)
But wait!
The high Thursday is supposed to be 60 degrees! And it’s the first week of January!!!
Oh the confusion!
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:34 pmI believe Cheney voiced the claim that preemptive military action is justified if there is even a 1% chance that a potential threat to our country is real (something like that…help me out here).
Why doesn’t a far greater well-proven threat to the Earth as we know it get more response? Never mind the local weather, I’m with Tom on this.
The attitude of denial on the part of fossil energy industry stockholders, employees, and their shill experts can be explained by the greed motive, but I think there’s broader refusal to believe and act on the well-established fact of global warming. Is it just ignorance?
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:35 pmComment by katy — January 2, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Odds are he did check out the facts. But like a good little Republican, he cherry-picked the data that supported his stance on global warming.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:42 pmSomeone out there is using the name Patricia with a capital P.
Also first name only.
It is not me.I have and will always go by my real name whether TP likes it or not.
Patricia Reglin.
Comment by patricia reglin — January
patricia,
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:47 pmI’m sorry that you are the target of a troll.
I must, however, point out that you said the troll used a capital “P”.
Then, before your tag name, you signed Patricia Reglin.
(thought it was kinda funny…)
We are pretty good at knowing the troll from the real person. Worry not.
:)
It’s not PC to say Global Warming anymore. Now it’s “Climatelogically Challenged”.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:49 pm…he cherry-picked the data that supported his stance on global warming.
Comment by WC — January 2, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
and got the fox bots all wondering if they really were stupid after all cause they’d all filled their ice cube trays with hot water all these years…
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:51 pmmaybe…
patricia reglin - try not to worry about it… just chill… ignore any attempt at intimidation… we’ll all be better off… hopefully…
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmThe “Great Denver Blizzard” is God’s anger for Rev. Haggard’s indescretions, debouchery, and general devil-like behaviors.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:52 pmCrack a book Dan Gainor, you look and sound like a complete idiot. Why are you on TV when you have no idea what your talking about? You simpleton.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:54 pmGet Ready for “Surge and Accelorate”. From the Bush admin.
Sounds like an ad for a NASCAR race to me.
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:55 pmEvery time I think I want to comment on Eschaton, I click on the comments section, see the word “Frist!!†and realize I don’t really want to go on.
Comment by Zooey — January 2, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
That’s better than I do. I can’t get past E-schat-on…
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmIs it just ignorance?
Comment by Mr Diddy Wah Diddy — January 2, 2007 @ 8:35 pm
nope… i think you had it with the first part of that statement:
The attitude of denial on the part of fossil energy industry stockholders, employees, and their shill experts can be explained by the greed motive
in my opinion…
and, mr. diddy, you have named yourself (partly) after an ALL TIME FAVORITE bestest song in the world… thank you…
January 2nd, 2007 at 8:57 pmThe “Great Denver Blizzard†is God’s anger for Rev. Haggard’s indescretions, debouchery, and general devil-like behaviors.
Comment by ForTruth — January 2, 2007 @ 8:52 pm
LOL
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmand, mr. diddy, you have named yourself (partly) after an ALL TIME FAVORITE bestest song in the world… thank you…
Comment by katy — January 2, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
Also a great book by Billy Potterfield but, spelled wah as waw.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:03 pmWell unbelievable how are you tonight?
Comment by patricia reglin — January 2, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
Wonderful - how about you?
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:06 pmYou agree to:
• Respect other Bloggers — please do not threaten, insult, abuse, intimidate or harass other Blog users.
Comment by unbelievable — January 2, 2007 @ 9:04 pm
I’m o.k with all but, “INSULT” . We could not have any fun.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:12 pmYou agree to:
• Respect other Bloggers — please do not threaten, insult, abuse, intimidate or harass other Blog users.
Really? I’m glad I never do any of that stuff….heh.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:16 pmI’m o.k with all but, “INSULT†. We could not have any fun.
Comment by Joefriday — January 2, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
MA barely qualifies as a person, much less a blogger. He’s a troll. Those are free :)
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmwell, learn something new everyday…
that does sound like a good read, joe friday… i’d never heard of it…
so i was probably wrong about mr. diddy wah diddy’s handle…
Diddy Waw Diddy
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:17 pmPassage of an Ameican Son
by Billy Porterfield
This is the problem with arguments on both sides of the fence - people take one single event and try to argue that it’s somehow indicative of a larger trend. If there’s a blizzard one day in Denver, that means there’s no global warming (or, for the extremists in the other direction, if it’s 70 degrees in mid-December, then that proves there IS global warming).
Well, there IS global warming, but you can’t see that from one day’s worth of weather. If anyone bothered to look at the LARGER picture, you can easily see the warming trend. The earth’s temperature was relatively consistent for the past 650,000 years, and then all of a sudden it skyrockets around the start of the Industrial Revolution. Hmm…
I’m just pointing this out because people that exclaim that any warm weather at all is due to global warming are at fault just as much as people who think a blizzard means it doesn’t exist. It DOES exist, but you need to look at the historical record to arrive at that conclusion, not one day’s worth of data.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 pm#69 Trueblue
Yep, I am 17 as of October.
I’m more of a PC gamer than a console gamer. Controlling a crosshair with a little stick drives me insane, even though I’m more of an RTS guy myself.
I don’t even have a PS2 or Xbox, and haven’t even played the former. However, the Wii is definetly the nextgen console I’d get given the choice - but my PC comes first. Both the PS3 and the 360 were horribly designed. Sony got a terrible idea by switching to Blu-Ray - cost is ultimately the decision that decides many consoles. The 360 chose to choke the market, and that doesn’t sit well in the minds of many. The Wii is a better console, it’s marketed better, and it is a homage to Nintendo fans. Though I would’ve preferred that Nintendo stick to the name Revolution, but Wii is still relatively clever.
And to be back on topic: Anyone else buy Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth on DVD? It’s out now.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:21 pmReally? I’m glad I never do any of that stuff….heh.
Comment by Zooey — January 2, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
yea… nobody here does ANY of that stuff… heh…
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:22 pmI live in Denver and have a degree in Environmental studies and also know that global warming shows its impact in many ways.
Personally, I would rather we err on the side that we MAY be impacting the CO2 output.
And it is funny (in a sad way) to see how many Repugs get their information from Faux Nooz and the ads on the side of a NASCAR car and thinks global warming is caused by the sun coming up and that it will go away when it sets at night.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:25 pmReality has a well-known northeastern bias.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:26 pmAnd to be back on topic: Anyone else buy Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth on DVD? It’s out now.
Comment by Xbot
Yes, I bought it the first day it came out. I really liked how the movie alternated his global warming message with insights into his private life.
It has the least packaging I’ve ever seen on a DVD.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:28 pmwe have a saying here in illinois - if you don’t like the weather, just wait a day, it’ll change…
Comment by katy
We have the same saying here in Indiana… and yes I agree about the trend. When I was a kid I remember a blizard or two… the past 15 years has been getting the snow pushed further and further into january/febuary. Though that doesnt prove anything in the short term. Though it might in the long. After seeing that giant chart Gore had in his movie I would guess that it is not just a short term effect.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:38 pmMichaels added that “if you believe that warming causes cooling, you’re like my neighbors down in Virginia who think that if you put hot water in the ice cube tray, it freezes faster. It doesn’t work that way.â€
That’s the problem with that folksy kind of ‘common wisdom’, Michaels. Oh yeah, your neighbors down in Virginia are a couple of rubes. How stupid do you have to be to think something as ridiculous as that–hot water freezing faster than cold water? Sheesh.
Except they happen to be right. Ya jerk.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:41 pmAny idiot knows that the warmer air is, the more moisture it can hold. If it’s 30 degrees instead of 20 in Denver (i.e. relatively warmer) you have the potential for much more snow. Do these idiots on Fox know what a psychrometric chart is?
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:46 pmDiddy Waw Diddy
Passage of an Ameican Son
by Billy Porterfield
Comment by katy — January 2, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
He is a friend of mine and a very well connected liberal dem. He once interviewed LBJ while LBJ was sitting on a john in an Austin hotel. True story.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:47 pmVirginia Asks Global Warming Skeptic To Stop Calling Himself ‘State Climatologist’
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2006/ 08/ 21/ michaels-state-climatologist/ trackback/
Gee, I’m astounded that Fox would turn to such an unreliable source as that.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:49 pmWell here’s a doozy - Pat Robertson says God told him there would be major terror attack on the US in 2007
http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ US/ 01/ 02/ robertson.predictions.ap/ index.html
Quote of the day: “The Lord didn’t say nuclear…”
Those of you who live near my local Home Despot will have to drive further to get your duct tape and plastic sheet - I’ve cleaned it out already…
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:52 pmWell here’s a doozy - Pat Robertson says God told him there would be major terror attack on the US in 2007
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
Sounds like the Rev Robertson needs to be renditioned and tortured.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:56 pmCouldn’t he just pray that the attack fail?
Happy New Year.I have not seen you around in awhile.
Comment by patricia reglin — January 2, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
You as well. Hope 2007 is a great year for you.
We must have been on different threads or different days. Happens sometimes.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:58 pmGee, I’m astounded that Fox would turn to such an unreliable source as that.
Comment by chimpeach
No wonder we’ve been getting so many nut cases lately.
January 2nd, 2007 at 9:59 pmThose of you who live near my local Home Despot will have to drive further to get your duct tape and plastic sheet - I’ve cleaned it out already…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle — January 2, 2007 @ 9:52 pm
LOL!
Good night all…
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 pmA little lesson in humility: I had heard people say for years that hot water freezes faster than cold water. I thought them misguided. Then I rented a poorly insulated house, and on cold nights (>-10f) the hot water lines used to freeze up, while the cold ones didn’t. They ran parallel to the cold water lines and were of the same diameter and same (copper) material. I never would have believed it unless I saw it … multiple times.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:01 pmZoo - right on. I think Pat should be in Guantanamo with a flashlight up his rectum until he tells us where this ‘Lord” and his cell are holed up and how they intend to carry out their attack.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:02 pmHe is a friend of mine and a very well connected liberal dem. He once interviewed LBJ while LBJ was sitting on a john in an Austin hotel. True story.
Comment by Joefriday — January 2, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
i’m guessing you mean billy porterfield… i do not doubt for a second that LBJ would be interviewed while “sitting”… quite the character…
i will look for the book… thanks!
are you in austin? my (R) sister lives there now… i visited her last year… was with my underage daughter or would’ve put on my boots and gone out for a spin… next time…
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:04 pmBowdler,
Just a thought - hot water may tend to have fewer dissolved minerals/gases and therefore will freeze at a higher temperature…..?
Then there’s this for the curious: http://math.ucr.edu/ home/ baez/ physics/ General/ hot_water.html
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:09 pmReally? I’m glad I never do any of that stuff….heh.
Comment by Zooey
Hey it didn’t say you couldn’t be a weisenheimer =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:11 pmare you in Austin? my (R) sister lives there now… i visited her last year… was with my underage daughter or would’ve put on my boots and gone out for a spin… next time…
Comment by katy — January 2, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Was in Austin but, now (drats) in Houston. Yes , I did mean Billy and he had an appointment to interview LBJ but, LBJ was short on time and told Billy to come into the bathroom where he was taking a you know what. Austin , one of the best places in the world to live.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:13 pmGood night all…
Comment by unbelievable — January 2, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
Good night…
And Happy New Year everybody!
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:15 pmHey it didn’t say you couldn’t be a weisenheimer =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Weisenheimer’s Disease: The dreaded and terminal condition wherein one forgets one is a wise-ass. :-D
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:18 pmComment by TerrytheTurtle — January 2, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Glanced at the data provided at the link you posted. Fascinating!
I would recommend that link to Mr. Michaels, but it requires reading comprehension at the 3rd grade level, and I don’t think he’d meet that.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:22 pm109: Thank you Terry the Turtle that has bugged me for years. I can hardly wait for the next equinox to balance an egg. Just kidding, I know the equinox-egg thing is a fallacy.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:28 pmjoe friday - i have an old friend in the houston area… several people from my town… i could not live ANYwhere in texas BUT austin… unless it was the coast… don’t know much about the coast, except it looks beachy, and i love the gulf beaches… i could not do texas in the summer.
of that i’m sure.
time to walk the dog…
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:29 pmg’nite all…
I know its off topic but.. Terry the Turtle this one has bugged me for years too. I stumbled across it in a physics lab, got the answer wrong, and did not understand the explanation. If I knew it would haunt me I would have been more persistant in the lab. Why, in a mirror are things reversed left to right but not up and down? The only explanation I can fathom is gravity! PS I am not nuts. (well legally at least)
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:36 pmWeisenheimer’s Disease: The dreaded and terminal condition wherein one forgets one is a wise-ass. :-D?
I am not,,,Oh wait I am =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:46 pmWhy, in a mirror are things reversed left to right but not up and down? The only explanation I can fathom is gravity! PS I am not nuts. (well legally at least)
Telluric currents perhaps?
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:50 pmEr they are not reversed left and right…
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:51 pmI am not,,,Oh wait I am =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Neither one of us is getting out of this alive, Zep. :)
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:52 pmWhy, in a mirror are things reversed left to right but not up and down? The only explanation I can fathom is gravity! PS I am not nuts. (well legally at least)
Well If I look thru a lens, and then back away from the mirror, then at some point it does become reversed, yes?
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:53 pmThe mirror does not reverse, it merely reflects.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:53 pmI am not,,,Oh wait I am =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Neither one of us is getting out of this alive, Zep. :)
Comment by Zooey
Perhaps, but Im gonna be a smart ass all the way thru and fight like the debbil!
Er they are not reversed left and right…
Comment by TerrytheTurtle
They have a phrase for this, Symmetric polarity?
Anyway we live in self pumping conjugative mirror, Barbaryons (barbarians) I think.
January 2nd, 2007 at 10:57 pmThe mirror does not reverse, it merely reflects.
Comment by Zooey
As the moon?
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:00 pmPerhaps, but Im gonna be a smart ass all the way thru and fight like the debbil!
Comment by Zep Tepi
Hallelujah!
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:01 pmAs the moon?
Comment by Zep Tepi
Is that why it’s so big and shiny? It’s a mirror? Wow.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:02 pmAs the moon?
Comment by Zep Tepi
Is that why it’s so big and shiny? It’s a mirror? Wow.
Comment by Zooey
But its not reflecting earth =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:05 pmAnd damnit it should be!
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:06 pmHey Zooey, you ever notice when you see pics of the earth from the moon you dont see stars?
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:08 pmBut its not reflecting earth =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
So the moon reflects the light of the sun. What is the word I’m looking for to describe what a mirror does? Or are we talking about definition #1 and #2 of the word “reflect?”
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 pmHey Zooey, you ever notice when you see pics of the earth from the moon you dont see stars?
Comment by Zep Tepi
Yes. I heard an explanation of that once, but I don’t remember it.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:11 pmSo the moon reflects the light of the sun. What is the word I’m looking for to describe what a mirror does? Or are we talking about definition #1 and #2 of the word “reflect?â€
Comment by Zooey
I understand mirror image. We are basically fish looking out thru a big lens =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:14 pmBut check out tom bearden and the self pumping conjugavity of the bariun molecules.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:16 pmwell, pooh! …daily show is a repeat… ugh, bill kristol…
speaking of the moon - really big and bright tonight…
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmmoon shadow…
I understand mirror image. We are basically fish looking out thru a big lens =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
The lens being the earth’s atmosphere.
So what does that have to do with the guy standing in front of a mirror, wondering why everything is reversed?
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:18 pmI’ll stand haunted. At least one nagging mystery is solved.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:19 pmThe lens being the earth’s atmosphere.
So what does that have to do with the guy standing in front of a mirror, wondering why everything is reversed?
Because we see forward the same way without a mirror =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:22 pmspeaking of the moon - really big and bright tonight…
moon shadow…
Comment by katy
Full moon tomorrow!
Moon Shadow — Cat Stevens. Love him.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:22 pmI’ll stand haunted. At least one nagging mystery is solved.
Comment by Bowdler
your welcome, but don’t feel haunted =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:25 pmNo new Stewart or Colbert until next monday.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmspeaking of the moon - really big and bright tonight…
moon shadow…
Comment by katy
Full moon tomorrow!
Moon Shadow — Cat Stevens. Love him.
Comment by Zooey
how does that go, oh yes
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:26 pmThe left eye the sun the right eye the moon
About the mirror question.
The reason a mirror reflects the reverse left and right but not up and down is….
The same thing as facing another person, who’s “left” is your “right”. Left and right is interchangeable, but up and down is not. Even with no mirrors around. It’s a dimension, or plane issue. Which gravity is a part of. It would be different with varying forms of gravitational pull.
Maybe it comes down to anthropology manufactured for this gravity feild. Say a different form of life was out in space, and it was round. It would look in the mirror and not see any up, down, or left or right. Its our perceptions based on the world we have adapted to live on.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:27 pmI’m on a lifelong Cat Stevens boycott for his support of the Salman Rushdie fatwah.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:28 pmI love that song
I’m being followed by a moon shadow, moon shadow — moon shadow
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:29 pmBecause we see forward the same way without a mirror =)
Comment by Zep Tepi
Of course!!
**smacks forehead**
Did you understand that?
No, did you?
Are you kidding me?
Shhhh…..he’ll hear us.
*clearing throat*
Thanks, Zep. :)
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:30 pmIts our perceptions based on the world we have adapted to live on.
Agreed.
Now can you find the forward mirror?
Damn gnats always circling those points!!!
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:31 pmI’m on a lifelong Cat Stevens boycott for his support of the Salman Rushdie fatwah.
Comment by Bowdler
he wrote the song before rushdie.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pm143: Thanks for truth.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:33 pmYou guys really bought that? Just kidding.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:35 pmnon-scalar points come from within earth, not without =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:38 pmI’m on a lifelong Cat Stevens boycott for his support of the Salman Rushdie fatwah.
Comment by Bowdler
That was before his conversion. A real loss to the musical world.
I’m being followed by a moon shadow, moon shadow, moon shadow….
Gorgeous…
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 pm148: Big deal. Any freedom loving person should take offense at any attempt at censorship, particularly on religous grounds. Religion has a very ugly history of censorship and human abuse. I have no patience for it. Let’s kill another human for god. Do you agree with that? Cat Stevens does.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 pmReligion has a very ugly history of censorship and human abuse. I have no patience for it. Let’s kill another human for god.
I understand what you say, But America is secular and will always be so. That is what our founding fathers were. But today wars are not so much for God as they are for economic means
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:45 pmI’m with you Bowdler, Cat Stevens (or whatever he goes by now) should be ashamed of himself. Chimpy shouldn’t get a free pass by declaring himself ‘born again’ and neither should Cat Stevens.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:46 pmThe ATM machine is the new God. Just admit it.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 pm“Year round 80 degree weather.”
You are crazy, now imagine that with 100% humidity. That’s miami, and it sucks……. i’d prefer the summer weather of sweden, 60-70 degrees all year round would be nice, with a nice gust of wind every once in a while.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:52 pmMoon Shadow — Cat Stevens. Love him.
Comment by Zooey — January 2, 2007 @ 11:22 pm
yep… singing the song as we, doggy and me, walked along…
he has a new album out: An Other Cup, YUSUF
bowdler - you misunderstood his position on that… i can’t explain it well myself, but i saw a show about him and his music and religion and he explained what he said and meant about the rushdie thing…
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:54 pmyou’ve got it wrong…
Comment by God is a Nihilist — January 2, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Coast of California is the weather you seek. You need lots of money.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 pmKaty, cloudy and rain here, Bear and I could not see the moon, maybe tomorrow…This will be the Cold Moon tomorrow… Love Cat Steven’s to Zooey……On my way to Montana next year going to try and stop in Idaho and get an open season permit,,,,,,,LOL,, Blessings
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:01 amComment by God is a Nihilist
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:02 amGod is pure energy perhaps?
But we as man ae not but imbalanced energy?
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:03 amAnd what so is a pure flat wave of energy nihilist?
Nothing? As in Zero time? A wave amongst the sands of the ocean?
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:05 amI read exerpts from the Rushdie book and it did seem to me rather crappy. So on a lighter note: To be sung to the tune of Moon Shadow- Oh I’m being followed by a hashashin, hashashin, hashashin. Becuase I wrote a crappy book, that questioned allahs reverence. Hashashin hashashin.
Note: the word assassin comes from the word hashish. And yes the moon is beautiful tonight.
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:05 amWhy for do you think nothing is pointless nihilist?
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:07 amOn my way to Montana next year going to try and stop in Idaho and get an open season permit,,,,,,,LOL,, Blessings
Comment by Sharon Cox
Just always remember, Sharon, and never forget, you know it’s the start of bow season when you hear gunfire in the hills. :)
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:11 amJust always remember, Sharon, and never forget, you know it’s the start of bow season when you hear gunfire in the hills. :)
Comment by Zooey
I thought bow season started before hunting season.
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:14 amI thought bow season started before hunting season.
Comment by Zep Tepi
The word is “poaching.” :)
I know a Fish & Game guy who would like to charge poachers with murder one.
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 amI’m on a lifelong Cat Stevens boycott for his support of the Salman Rushdie fatwah.
Comment by Bowdler — January 2, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
Any freedom loving person should take offense at any attempt at censorship, particularly on religous grounds.
Comment by Bowdler — January 2, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
a bit of a contradiction here… it seems…
here, i found the story… from the 3rd page:
That year Iran’s Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa, an edict, calling for the death of British author Salmon Rushdie for blaspheming the prophet Muhammad, in his book, “The Satanic Verses.”
As Britain’s most famous Muslim, Islam was asked to comment. While he didn’t exactly echo the call for Rushdie’s death, his response was open to interpretation.
“Salmon Rushdie, or indeed any writer who abuses the prophet or indeed any prophet, under Islamic law, the sentence for that is actually death. It’s got to be seen as a deterrent, so that other people should not commit the same mistake again,” he said then.
“I was a sitting target, in a way, for anybody who wanted to make some kind of headline,” Islam told Phillips. “I certainly never supported the Fatwa, but when I was asked about … the actual principle of blasphemy and capital punishment, well, like the Bible, I said, ‘”You know, yeah, it’s there, it’s in the Koran.’ And I couldn’t deny that.”
read on: http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2006/ 11/ 30/ sunday/ main2221286_page3.shtml
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:17 am.
I know a Fish & Game guy who would like to charge poachers with murder one.
Comment by Zooey
dunno about all that as i am not a gun shooter, but as long as they have their guns and shoot in season no problem here
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:21 amOh I’m being followed by a hashashin, hashashin, hashashin. Becuase I wrote a crappy book, that questioned allahs reverence. Hashashin hashashin.
Note: the word assassin comes from the word hashish. And yes the moon is beautiful tonight.
Comment by Bowdler
never looked at it that way. I do so a moon shadow however, don’t you?
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:27 amfound something else…
zooey - remember the story about partying i commented on?
Get Ready To Party — And Spend Some Money
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 amThe Modern Party Is Becoming More Extravagant And More Expensive
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2006/ 12/ 27/ sunday/ main2302997.shtml
dunno about all that as i am not a gun shooter, but as long as they have their guns and shoot in season no problem here
Comment by Zep Tepi
Poachers don’t put such limits on themselves. :)
I’ve never shot anything but a target — yet.
Heh.
Goodnight all ya’ll!
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 amOh I’m being followed by a hashashin, hashashin, hashashin. Becuase I wrote a crappy book, that questioned allahs reverence. Hashashin hashashin
And in real life do you not see a moon shadow when you are outdoors at nite?
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:29 amscrew allah, what do you see?
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:30 am169: Yeah. It must have been 1980 or so when I found the “Green Book” which was the translation of Ayotolah Khomenis book that was the basis for the Iranian revolution. It was a thin book about 90 pages long. I was curious about the philosophy that could bring this much power. I was shocked. The thing was filled with micromanaging minutia. No great philosophy, just a bunch of little junk. Like what hand to wipe your ass with, I am not kidding. The chapter on animal f*cking was of course the most entertaining. He just didn’t say don’t f*ck sheep, went on for pages about how not to f*ck sheep. As if he had missed a single possible iteration someone would have leapt through that loophole and nailed the sheep. But thats not all, he repeated all the same instructions for other animals. There must have been 15 pages (out of 90) on animal f*cking. And blaspheming this is worth taking a life?
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:41 amNothing short of complete denunciation of the fatwah could have saved Cat Stevens in my eyes. But, I would just boycott him. Not demand his assassination.
Zep I walked the dog before I rewrote the song (actually while). And I appreciated the moon. Dur. I have about 200 acres of shear wilderness behind my house, and enjoy it every day. I am not bragging, I only own 9 acres of it.
January 3rd, 2007 at 12:49 amwow, bowdler… can’t help but think that khomeni was himself getting off on the description of how not to do animals… over and over and over…
but, yusuf was only describing what islamic law said about fatwah…
you gotta put yourself in his shoes, time and place… that’s all…
i get what you’re saying too, but just wanted you to understand that you could be mistaken…
excellent comment from keith olberman tonight…
sure hope the ones who need to were listening… and heeding…
g’nite all…
January 3rd, 2007 at 1:13 amI remember Zooey. I quit hunting in Idaho around 1981…The brush hunter’s that stayed up drinking and shooting all night ran me and the game off….Took it up again when I lived in Montana…. and gave up all hunting except with my camera in 96….Keep my gun’s and ammo for self preservation, hope I won’t have to use them but ever ready……
Had a fish and game guy here last year that wanted to shoot an unarmed fisherman for fishing with two poles…..One of those hot shot types….He’s been transfered to Spokane, I hope desk duty, some people should not own gun’s….We now have a lady fish and game person who is a delight……..Later all…Blessings and Peace…
January 3rd, 2007 at 1:23 amI believe that Americans are the only ones still debating whether or not global warming is real.
January 3rd, 2007 at 3:49 am169: Yeah. It must have been 1980 or so when I found the “Green Book†which was the translation of Ayotolah Khomenis book that was the basis for the Iranian revolution.
I have never read it. nor heard of it..
Let me reiterate for the last time. I am a Christian, I do not follow the Koran nor Khomeni. Allah I do not know. I have read the Koran out of curiosity, it is a very simple book with no real philosophy. I have also read the Talmud As well as the bible.
I have been baptised and my soul is safe. I have been thru hell and back again. If you do not believe in God or Jesus I cannot help that or force it upon you, nor do I wish too.
I support our troops and wish to hell they would accept me at my age, for I know the military ways and have worked on the KC-135s. I support and love my country.
I have never read what Salmon Rushdie wrote nor do I know about Cat Stevens philosophy or care to read about it.
Its a freaking song, thats all.
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