I’m sick ot Time Magazine. I’m ending my subscription today. How can a news magazine that hires journalists/columnists that don’t get the facts right (or just make them up to suit their political beliefs) expect to be taken seriously. Time has become another media source that has been unduely influenced by the right.
This is good. The more the light of day shines on mold, fungus, and vermin, the quicker they are exposed for what they are and irradicated. Awareness is power. Let this hack be confronted by his own spent worldview.
Time has been a government propaganda machine for a long time. It’s too bad. Guess the new media, blogs, and new people will have to push them aside. They no longer serve the real American public
You would think if a educated and knowledgeble person got it wrong over and over again, folks would start to question just how educated and knowledgeable that person, in fact, is. Why do people like kristol even have an audience now? Its almost as if America likes being lied to.
I am not a lefty Kevin, put away your watercolor set, I am sovereign, like your Lord. I don’t hate free speech but even you, Kevin, have to admit Kristol has been wrong just as much or more than old Safire has been.
Kristol is like Madonna, the media just won’t let the hasbeen go.
This is just another example of a phenomenon happening in our media today. If you’ve been wrong about everything, you get a raise and job security. If you’re right about everything, you are ignored and even mocked.
Kevin, even for you, that’s a pretty lame and pathetic strawman argument. You can do better than that, can’t you?
Well, unless Kristol’s first column for Time is an admission that he and the other neo-cons of PNAC were wrong about Iraq (on everything, it seems), then I see no reason why anyone would want to buy Time just to read Kristol. What were they thinking? Or were they?
If Time wants to run an opinion column, they have that right. If it’s left or right, or if you don’t agree with it, you have the choice not to buy that publication.
I don’t think people recognize how much power they (we) have. If NOBODY bought or read TIME magazine for a couple issues, the message might get delivered: We don’t need a PNAC loser on the TIME payroll. Our purchasing power is all the power we need. Keep your dollar (or whatever) in your pocket. Or how about a million ot two emails and letters to the TIME headquarters every few days? Do you think they would notice? I do.
“I notice TP has really cranked up the f*** filter. It’s a giant pain in the you-know-what.”
Tell me about it. I have very little time to contribute (please, stop the applause). I had a (IMHO) well-crafted and fairly lengthy post that was deleted, then inserted, then deleted again. Can’t afford to waste time like that for no payoff.
Don’t know if the TP moderator is hyper-sensitive or if the TP system itself is just flaky. If hyper-sensitive, please TP, at least flag whatever is “offensive” and offer the opportunity of a revision.
Don’t know if the TP moderator is hyper-sensitive or if the TP system itself is just flaky. If hyper-sensitive, please TP, at least flag whatever is “offensive†and offer the opportunity of a revision.
Comment by gorn
It may have disappeared because it was too long, and it may yet re-appear. I’ve had a couple disappear two different time, but eventually they re-appear and stay. I don’t know what the problem is, but I wish they’d fix it.
At first it was to try to learn and understand what “Progressives†stand for. I found out they sand mostly for hate. If anyone disagrees with you at all, (as with the case of Joe Lieberman) you try and destroy the person. I very rarely see a counter point from you folks that is not a personal attack. And you are very quick to accuse people of horrible things with little or no evidence. If someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid. If someone wants to stop illegal immigration, or if they don’t support affirmative action, they are a racist.
I still come to this site to see just how far off people get.
Time “jumped the shark” long ago. Cripes, when the best they can come up with for Person of the Year is a mirror, it shows you the depth of their thought processes. There were so many great candidates for 2006, but time felt they had to genuflect to what they thought was the new media zeitgeist.
Kristol is another shark jumping moment. They’re five years too late in sucking up to the neocon movement, which is currently in its death throes (if you will).
Similarly, CNN pole vaulted the shark when they turned 50% of headline news over to Glen Blech and 50% of their main news feed over to Nancy Disgrace.
#25, BD49
It’s another variation of the Peter Principle.
Totally incompetent people who don’t know their ass from a hole in the wall rise to certain levels of authority simply because they have managed to stay alive.
Kevin: “If Time wants to run an opinion column, they have that right. If it’s left or right, or if you don’t agree with it, you have the choice not to buy that publication.”
Gosh, Kevin, I never, ever thought of that. I’ll just move over to the national news publication which features writers who have been right about Iraq. Can you name one for me?
At first it was to try to learn and understand what “Progressives†stand for. I found out they sand mostly for hate. If anyone disagrees with you at all, (as with the case of Joe Lieberman) you try and destroy the person.
Sir, your opinion about ‘hate’ is unjustified and wrong. I say this because all Americans have seen their beloved country (and their civil liberties) get shredded with every sunrise.
The vanity war started by Mr Bush is a shambles and it is bankrupting our treasury. Three thousand soldiers (and countless innocent Iraqis) have died. The benefits of the war (peace, energy prices, stability, etc) have not been realized. So we ‘progressives see the dismanteling of our over 200 year history by the resident of the white house as a lose-lose situation. We have all lost so much, and gained nothing at all.
We don’t ‘destroy’ anybody. We want the truth. We have memories, so when Joe Lieberman says something - and then says something different - we let people know about it. Sir, that is not destroyinh anything. It is called enlightenment. Knowing when things need changing - and attempting to change them. It is a function normally reserved for the media but, due to Mr Bushes ‘war on truth’, the media is no help. Thats why people like Kristol keep getting paid to lie to us. He is lying to you also, you know? Maybe you like it that way. All your opinions seem to match what Faux news is reporting. No sir, no destroying here. We just want our country back. Don’t you?
Kevin: “If someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid.”
Kevin, if 99% of all the world’s scientists believe something (and they do), one could reasonably be called “stupid” for refusing to believe it. Would you call the idea that the sun revolves around the earth “stupid?” Studies show that 24% of our population believes that. Would you call those people stupid or just people with a different perspective?
Gosh, Kevin, I never, ever thought of that. I’ll just move over to the national news publication which features writers who have been right about Iraq. Can you name one for me?
Comment by Bluedog49
Perfect! Really, Kevin name one. Just one, then we can be friends.
The point, Kevin, is not that we “hate” free speech and it’s not that we “hate” the free marketplace. The point is that our media is dominated by conservative corporatists who are not interested in providing the free flow of information to the American people. You tell me: on all of our mainstream television and print news, where is the publication or program which features people who were correct about Iraq? Where is Scott Ritter? Where is Michael Moore? Where is Al Gore? Were is Dennis Kucinich? They are all ignored and/or mocked for their positions which were correct.
Kevin is having such difficult time learning and understanding what progressives stand for.
Didn’t Rush tell you what to think, or Glen Beck, or Ann Coulter, Kevin? Conservative Republicans are all about being told just what to think and accepting whatever that may be without question. If you thought for yourself you wouldn’t be so full of it.
Joe Liberman for example is a Republican dressed up like a Democrat who hangs on the Presidents leg like a horny dog changing his position to suit his best interests. He’s the only Democrat who will support Bush’s already failed “surge”, Kevin. That goes against the entire Joint Chiefs’ of Staff and the recent Baker Commission.
Those are reasons Kevin.
“If someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid.”
Aaaaaaaaaah, Yes. Stupid is a good word. Ignorant is probably better. Personally I would believe Nasa’s top environmental scientist, James Hansen who sees man as the cause of Global warming not the Sun. Bush tried to prevent him from publishing his findings and EXXON is running a disinformation campaign that makes CO-2 seem like fairy dust. It sounds like you’re with Exxon.
Oh, yes the Sun is hot, there I agree.
Who wants to stop illegal immigration?
Do Bush Republicans? No.
That was a publicity stunt Kevin. Nobody told you? They said they wanted to build a wall and they went around the country courting racists. Then they didn’t fund it when they got back to Washington. No wall Kevin, Just talk to appeal to racists. If they were serious they might have passed a law or something to prevent businesses from hiring Non-Citizens, but no, just a photo op.
It doesn’t matter to you that most illegal’s are here, not by running through the desert and jumping fences or rafting in on the tide but by overstaying their legal visas. Just like all of the 911 hijackers.
Keep coming here Kevin. I’ll keep answering your questions so you can finally understand what progressives stand for.
Maybe this will help too.
“Liberal means someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas withoug rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties…and I’m proud to say I’m a Liberal.”
The midterm elections, but all media accounts, “sent a message” that Americans want a new direction and are rejecting the neocon- and conservative policies of the last years.
So why isn’t this being reflected in our media?
Why are all of the cable channels rolling out the most conservative of commentators to discuss the issues of the day? Where are the pundits to give voice to what the people of the United States are demanding?
The Democratic spokesmen the media has used these last years are not liberals, and tack squarely to the right on the full range of issues that make it on air. There isn’t one on CNN, MSNBC or CNBC who supports immediate withdrawal or complete withdrawal from Iraq anytime in the the next years. Aside from Lou Dobbs, there isn’t one liberal economic journalist on air speaking on behalf of the poor and middle class in America. All of the on-air personalities have stated that Ford’s pardon of Nixon was “the right thing to do,” and are oblivious to the idea that it was the failure to try Nixon in a court of law, have the facts come out under oath that led to Reagan, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, the conservative takeover of U.S. government, the destruction of the U.S. Constitution, and a “unitary presidency.” Democracy exists to support rule of law determined by the citizens of the country. Elected officials are not exempt, to be pardoned, from having to abide by the rule of law.
Last week Clifford May enjoys a comeback and this week arch-neocon Bill Kristol signs a deal to get broader exposure to U.S. audiences. If Americans were to vote straight a liberal ticket in 2008, will Neil Boortz replace Keith Olbermann?
Unless Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Congress add FCC reform (fairness doctrine, equal time, etc.) to the list of what needs to be accomplished in the first 100 hours (election reform, too, and ending corporate personhood), we can kiss the democracy good-bye. Raising the minimum wage to $7.25 (when the living wage in most blue state cities is between $10-17/hr.) is nothing but razzle dazzle.
If someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid. If someone wants to stop illegal immigration, or if they don’t support affirmative action, they are a racist.
I still come to this site to see just how far off people get.
Comment by Kevin
Actually Kevin I think global warming is a solar cycle, like the carbon cycle is a natural cycle, and as the earths precession is a cycle As the earths orbit goes from nearly circular to ellipitical and the angle of earth changes, of course we have weather changes.
The amount of carbon, my opinion, that has been dumped into the atmosphere, due to our needs as a society, has exacerbated the natural solar/carbon cycle. We also have the problem of a decaying magnetic field (earths)
The point, Kevin, is not that we “hate†free speech and it’s not that we “hate†the free marketplace. The point is that our media is dominated by conservative corporatists who are not interested in providing the free flow of information to the American people. You tell me: on all of our mainstream television and print news, where is the publication or program which features people who were correct about Iraq? Where is Scott Ritter? Where is Michael Moore? Where is Al Gore? Were is Dennis Kucinich? They are all ignored and/or mocked for their positions which were correct.
If Kevin believed in free markets, he’d join with liberals who object to corporate monopoly of media.
Our media isn’t a free marketplace. Corporations can afford to lose money on their media operations because suppressing information benefits their other business interests. Corporate media can and have blacked out news and information to the public - we have a dumbed down electorate.
Time and again we see that when voters are informed on issues, they invariably vote for progressive-liberal policies and candidates. And corporate media can’t have that happen!
Time and again we see that when voters are informed on issues, they invariably vote for progressive-liberal policies and candidates. And corporate media can’t have that happen!
Comment by Maeven
So, so true. Seems those to the ‘right’ like things kept in the dark. If somebody shines a light on the truth, MSM snuffs out the light. Then they tell you what ‘their’ truth is. Sounds screwed up to me.
In 1994, there was a 55-seat swing in the House and this was hailed as a “revolution.” Newt Gingridge backed his friend for the whip position, but someone else (Delay) won the position. There was no mention in the media of a failure on Gingridge’s part. In November, there was a 65-seat swing. Kevin, maybe you could think about the comparison between the way the media treated this 65-seat swing with how they treated the Repubs 55-seat swing.
“Liberal means someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas withoug rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties…and I’m proud to say I’m a Liberal.â€
Great Quote =)
Kevin Anne Coulter, Limbaugh and the other pundits have framed (Limbaugh speak) the word liberal as to automatically mean Godless, ( I am a Christian), on welfare (never have been), and morally corrupt (I have a great daughter) dirty hippy (my hair is short and I shower daily) that do nothing but protest (never been to a protest) And we of course have those on the democratic side who poke fun at religion with frozen spaghetti God, lol, and what not. I see some at Eschaton, who call themselves witches, others are atheists. What i fid peculiar is that nearly everyone, Aetheist or not, says they have a Soul, or Spirit. Perhaps it’s just electrons we all speak of, after all you cant see it flow thru a wire can you?
You seem to have fallen prey to that FOX framing Kevin, Millions have. Sure it’s easy to think of ones self as the moral majority (another catchism) a value voter (we all value life) and superior due to material holdings. (which we cannot take with us when we go)
The fact is Kevin the politicians have spent alot of money on psychologists, smear and dirty tricks to get you to support them.
I as a ‘progressive’ (America is great because of its technological advances or progress) and secular (the great melting pot) am tired of seeing politicians spend hundreds of millions to bash one another relentlessly on TV and then not lift a finger to help anyone but their kind.
Worse, they (politicos) have Americans bashing Americans while they slither down the path to corruption and self serving ends. I love my country and don’t want to see it torn apart by the media hacks, greedy lobbyists, and power hungry politicicans who see only themselves in the mirror, Democratic or Republican.
As for free market capitalism, which I think needs to be checked, it is a neccessity, so we can create jobs for our children, but there are those who take that to mean you can a big fat pig and it’s okay to exploit humanity.
(Nobody likes a hog at the all u can eat pizza joint=)
And thats where we differ I suppose. We should not exploit humanity for material greed and all should make a wage that is above poverty. If we have legalized poverty we will, as a nation, have to have some type of healthcare and public schooling.
I am one of the few here who support Bush because I know that he lives in a bubble, and that he has to listen to hordes of ‘advisors’. I can’t really blame Bush for all the mistakes made, no sir, it’s those that advise him that are where the fault lies. Bad data in, bad data out. And it will be the commanders and generals on the ground that have the final say as how to get out of, or ’surge’ this freedom operation in Iraq.
Kevin,
Can you provide any example of a leftist/liberal proclaiming that the US ought to cut back on free speech, the way Republican ex-Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich has done more than once on TV and elsewhere? Or how about Ann Coulter’s statement that if she were president, she “would deport all liberals?”
Oh, yeah, only the liberals/progressives indulge in “hate speech,” while people like Ann-thrax, Rush Limbaugh, Rep. Virgil Goode, etc. only say sweet things about the opposite side!
I don’t know about Kevin, but my impression is that trolls tend to be narcissists more interested in directing attention to themselves to the exclusion of any other activity. Responding in any way to a troll merely enables their dysfunctional behavior.
Let’s face it. Time is a disgrace. The editors of Time knew before the last presidential election that the administration was lying about its part in the Valerie Plame outing, but they said nothing. A major news mag. KNEW that they were lying about the destruction of an intelligence asset and didn’t think it was a story. Like I say, a disgrace.
Great, nobody under the age of 60 reads Time anyway, so he’ll just be blowing smoke up his own kind’s arse.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 amAnd by “star” they mean dingle berry-covered anus propagandist for PNAC.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 amI’m sick ot Time Magazine. I’m ending my subscription today. How can a news magazine that hires journalists/columnists that don’t get the facts right (or just make them up to suit their political beliefs) expect to be taken seriously. Time has become another media source that has been unduely influenced by the right.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:53 amgag me with a PNAC.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:57 amDamn, Jeff, the visual on that one made me puke a little.
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:58 amRichard “CASEY” Stengel just dropped the ball.
“TIME” out! “TIME” out! It’s KRISTOL clear that Time will never win the World Series.
John
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:59 amWhat a revoltin’ development!
January 2nd, 2007 at 11:59 amA relative of Patrick Star.
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:02 pmWho reads Time?
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:06 pmThis is good. The more the light of day shines on mold, fungus, and vermin, the quicker they are exposed for what they are and irradicated. Awareness is power. Let this hack be confronted by his own spent worldview.
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:06 pmCould it be that
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:10 pmTime’s a wastin?
Time has been a government propaganda machine for a long time. It’s too bad. Guess the new media, blogs, and new people will have to push them aside. They no longer serve the real American public
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:10 pmI guess Time doesn’t give a damn about credibility. Pathetic.
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:11 pm“Star” columnist? What does that stand for?
Stop Talking About Retreat?
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:14 pm#2 (Jeff)
You beautifully put it in a nutshell. Cudos
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:14 pmat ‘time’, the phrase ’star’ is shorthand for ‘wrong about a lot of things, again and again and again.’
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:20 pmI see my post was deleted.
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmAll I did was quote our Vice President, giving advice to Kristol.
Geez, TP, can’t a guy even quote the VP?
You would think if a educated and knowledgeble person got it wrong over and over again, folks would start to question just how educated and knowledgeable that person, in fact, is. Why do people like kristol even have an audience now? Its almost as if America likes being lied to.
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:26 pmGeez, TP, can’t a guy even quote the VP?
Comment by Zimzone
I notice TP has really cranked up the f*** filter. It’s a giant pain in the you-know-what.
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 pm**eyes rolling**
Morning Zooey, and all.
I tried reading some of Kristols stuff once….
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:37 pmWhy does the left hate free speech?
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:41 pmKranked up the ph*ck philter, the sh*t shaver, the a** blaster, the nipple pincher, the…
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:44 pmWhy does the left hate free speech?
Comment by Kevin
I am not a lefty Kevin, put away your watercolor set, I am sovereign, like your Lord. I don’t hate free speech but even you, Kevin, have to admit Kristol has been wrong just as much or more than old Safire has been.
Kristol is like Madonna, the media just won’t let the hasbeen go.
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmWHO READS TIME?
A lot of criminals in prison who do TIME.
Criminals only have a chance to read Time magazine, though, after spending 12-hour-days making license plates.
Happy retirement in prison, Republicans.
John
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmThis is just another example of a phenomenon happening in our media today. If you’ve been wrong about everything, you get a raise and job security. If you’re right about everything, you are ignored and even mocked.
Kevin, even for you, that’s a pretty lame and pathetic strawman argument. You can do better than that, can’t you?
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:47 pmI wonder if they’ll institute a spoonerism filter to get stuff like
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:49 pmBuck Fush!
Bluedog49
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:51 pmIt’s not just the media, seems to also be happening in government for about the last seven years…
I tried reading some of Kristols stuff once….
Comment by Zep Tepi
Killed off a little piece of your soul, didn’t it?
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmWell, unless Kristol’s first column for Time is an admission that he and the other neo-cons of PNAC were wrong about Iraq (on everything, it seems), then I see no reason why anyone would want to buy Time just to read Kristol. What were they thinking? Or were they?
January 2nd, 2007 at 12:58 pmIf Time wants to run an opinion column, they have that right. If it’s left or right, or if you don’t agree with it, you have the choice not to buy that publication.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:04 pmI tried reading some of Kristols stuff once….
Comment by Zep Tepi
Killed off a little piece of your soul, didn’t it?
Naw, my spirit is indomitable. It did manifest a foul odor however =)
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:06 pmI don’t think people recognize how much power they (we) have. If NOBODY bought or read TIME magazine for a couple issues, the message might get delivered: We don’t need a PNAC loser on the TIME payroll. Our purchasing power is all the power we need. Keep your dollar (or whatever) in your pocket. Or how about a million ot two emails and letters to the TIME headquarters every few days? Do you think they would notice? I do.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:09 pmzooey #19
“I notice TP has really cranked up the f*** filter. It’s a giant pain in the you-know-what.”
Tell me about it. I have very little time to contribute (please, stop the applause). I had a (IMHO) well-crafted and fairly lengthy post that was deleted, then inserted, then deleted again. Can’t afford to waste time like that for no payoff.
Don’t know if the TP moderator is hyper-sensitive or if the TP system itself is just flaky. If hyper-sensitive, please TP, at least flag whatever is “offensive” and offer the opportunity of a revision.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:10 pmliberals still read time magazine???
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:13 pmWhy does Kevin constantly troll here?
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:14 pmDon’t know if the TP moderator is hyper-sensitive or if the TP system itself is just flaky. If hyper-sensitive, please TP, at least flag whatever is “offensive†and offer the opportunity of a revision.
Comment by gorn
It may have disappeared because it was too long, and it may yet re-appear. I’ve had a couple disappear two different time, but eventually they re-appear and stay. I don’t know what the problem is, but I wish they’d fix it.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:22 pmKristol is a liar and fool.
TIME is worthless.
I should know, I’m the “Person of the Year.”
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:26 pmHas anyone noticed that Kristol always looks like he has just sat on a NeoCon Kool-aid firehose with the nozzle at full stream?
What a smarmy, self-indulged a##hole, and just one of many in that camp. (’08, PULEEZE get here soon!)
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:28 pmAt first it was to try to learn and understand what “Progressives†stand for. I found out they sand mostly for hate. If anyone disagrees with you at all, (as with the case of Joe Lieberman) you try and destroy the person. I very rarely see a counter point from you folks that is not a personal attack. And you are very quick to accuse people of horrible things with little or no evidence. If someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid. If someone wants to stop illegal immigration, or if they don’t support affirmative action, they are a racist.
I still come to this site to see just how far off people get.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:34 pmTime “jumped the shark” long ago. Cripes, when the best they can come up with for Person of the Year is a mirror, it shows you the depth of their thought processes. There were so many great candidates for 2006, but time felt they had to genuflect to what they thought was the new media zeitgeist.
Kristol is another shark jumping moment. They’re five years too late in sucking up to the neocon movement, which is currently in its death throes (if you will).
Similarly, CNN pole vaulted the shark when they turned 50% of headline news over to Glen Blech and 50% of their main news feed over to Nancy Disgrace.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:35 pmwhat do you expect from the warmongering rapacious scum at time warner? tehy are worse than halliburton.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:43 pm#25, BD49
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:44 pmIt’s another variation of the Peter Principle.
Totally incompetent people who don’t know their ass from a hole in the wall rise to certain levels of authority simply because they have managed to stay alive.
Kevin: “If Time wants to run an opinion column, they have that right. If it’s left or right, or if you don’t agree with it, you have the choice not to buy that publication.”
Gosh, Kevin, I never, ever thought of that. I’ll just move over to the national news publication which features writers who have been right about Iraq. Can you name one for me?
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:47 pm“Kristol is like Madonna…………”
This journalistic decision is over the BORDERLINE.
John
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:51 pmComment by Kevin
At first it was to try to learn and understand what “Progressives†stand for. I found out they sand mostly for hate. If anyone disagrees with you at all, (as with the case of Joe Lieberman) you try and destroy the person.
Sir, your opinion about ‘hate’ is unjustified and wrong. I say this because all Americans have seen their beloved country (and their civil liberties) get shredded with every sunrise.
The vanity war started by Mr Bush is a shambles and it is bankrupting our treasury. Three thousand soldiers (and countless innocent Iraqis) have died. The benefits of the war (peace, energy prices, stability, etc) have not been realized. So we ‘progressives see the dismanteling of our over 200 year history by the resident of the white house as a lose-lose situation. We have all lost so much, and gained nothing at all.
We don’t ‘destroy’ anybody. We want the truth. We have memories, so when Joe Lieberman says something - and then says something different - we let people know about it. Sir, that is not destroyinh anything. It is called enlightenment. Knowing when things need changing - and attempting to change them. It is a function normally reserved for the media but, due to Mr Bushes ‘war on truth’, the media is no help. Thats why people like Kristol keep getting paid to lie to us. He is lying to you also, you know? Maybe you like it that way. All your opinions seem to match what Faux news is reporting. No sir, no destroying here. We just want our country back. Don’t you?
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:53 pmKevin: “If someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid.”
Kevin, if 99% of all the world’s scientists believe something (and they do), one could reasonably be called “stupid” for refusing to believe it. Would you call the idea that the sun revolves around the earth “stupid?” Studies show that 24% of our population believes that. Would you call those people stupid or just people with a different perspective?
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:53 pmGosh, Kevin, I never, ever thought of that. I’ll just move over to the national news publication which features writers who have been right about Iraq. Can you name one for me?
Comment by Bluedog49
Perfect! Really, Kevin name one. Just one, then we can be friends.
January 2nd, 2007 at 1:54 pmThe point, Kevin, is not that we “hate” free speech and it’s not that we “hate” the free marketplace. The point is that our media is dominated by conservative corporatists who are not interested in providing the free flow of information to the American people. You tell me: on all of our mainstream television and print news, where is the publication or program which features people who were correct about Iraq? Where is Scott Ritter? Where is Michael Moore? Where is Al Gore? Were is Dennis Kucinich? They are all ignored and/or mocked for their positions which were correct.
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:19 pmKevin is having such difficult time learning and understanding what progressives stand for.
Didn’t Rush tell you what to think, or Glen Beck, or Ann Coulter, Kevin? Conservative Republicans are all about being told just what to think and accepting whatever that may be without question. If you thought for yourself you wouldn’t be so full of it.
Joe Liberman for example is a Republican dressed up like a Democrat who hangs on the Presidents leg like a horny dog changing his position to suit his best interests. He’s the only Democrat who will support Bush’s already failed “surge”, Kevin. That goes against the entire Joint Chiefs’ of Staff and the recent Baker Commission.
Those are reasons Kevin.
“If someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid.”
Aaaaaaaaaah, Yes. Stupid is a good word. Ignorant is probably better. Personally I would believe Nasa’s top environmental scientist, James Hansen who sees man as the cause of Global warming not the Sun. Bush tried to prevent him from publishing his findings and EXXON is running a disinformation campaign that makes CO-2 seem like fairy dust. It sounds like you’re with Exxon.
Oh, yes the Sun is hot, there I agree.
Who wants to stop illegal immigration?
Do Bush Republicans? No.
That was a publicity stunt Kevin. Nobody told you? They said they wanted to build a wall and they went around the country courting racists. Then they didn’t fund it when they got back to Washington. No wall Kevin, Just talk to appeal to racists. If they were serious they might have passed a law or something to prevent businesses from hiring Non-Citizens, but no, just a photo op.
It doesn’t matter to you that most illegal’s are here, not by running through the desert and jumping fences or rafting in on the tide but by overstaying their legal visas. Just like all of the 911 hijackers.
Keep coming here Kevin. I’ll keep answering your questions so you can finally understand what progressives stand for.
Maybe this will help too.
“Liberal means someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas withoug rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties…and I’m proud to say I’m a Liberal.”
–John F. Kennedy,1960.
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:20 pmThe midterm elections, but all media accounts, “sent a message” that Americans want a new direction and are rejecting the neocon- and conservative policies of the last years.
So why isn’t this being reflected in our media?
Why are all of the cable channels rolling out the most conservative of commentators to discuss the issues of the day? Where are the pundits to give voice to what the people of the United States are demanding?
The Democratic spokesmen the media has used these last years are not liberals, and tack squarely to the right on the full range of issues that make it on air. There isn’t one on CNN, MSNBC or CNBC who supports immediate withdrawal or complete withdrawal from Iraq anytime in the the next years. Aside from Lou Dobbs, there isn’t one liberal economic journalist on air speaking on behalf of the poor and middle class in America. All of the on-air personalities have stated that Ford’s pardon of Nixon was “the right thing to do,” and are oblivious to the idea that it was the failure to try Nixon in a court of law, have the facts come out under oath that led to Reagan, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, the conservative takeover of U.S. government, the destruction of the U.S. Constitution, and a “unitary presidency.” Democracy exists to support rule of law determined by the citizens of the country. Elected officials are not exempt, to be pardoned, from having to abide by the rule of law.
Last week Clifford May enjoys a comeback and this week arch-neocon Bill Kristol signs a deal to get broader exposure to U.S. audiences. If Americans were to vote straight a liberal ticket in 2008, will Neil Boortz replace Keith Olbermann?
Unless Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Congress add FCC reform (fairness doctrine, equal time, etc.) to the list of what needs to be accomplished in the first 100 hours (election reform, too, and ending corporate personhood), we can kiss the democracy good-bye. Raising the minimum wage to $7.25 (when the living wage in most blue state cities is between $10-17/hr.) is nothing but razzle dazzle.
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:26 pmIf someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid. If someone wants to stop illegal immigration, or if they don’t support affirmative action, they are a racist.
I still come to this site to see just how far off people get.
Comment by Kevin
Actually Kevin I think global warming is a solar cycle, like the carbon cycle is a natural cycle, and as the earths precession is a cycle As the earths orbit goes from nearly circular to ellipitical and the angle of earth changes, of course we have weather changes.
The amount of carbon, my opinion, that has been dumped into the atmosphere, due to our needs as a society, has exacerbated the natural solar/carbon cycle. We also have the problem of a decaying magnetic field (earths)
I don’t think your a racist at all.
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:27 pmThe point, Kevin, is not that we “hate†free speech and it’s not that we “hate†the free marketplace. The point is that our media is dominated by conservative corporatists who are not interested in providing the free flow of information to the American people. You tell me: on all of our mainstream television and print news, where is the publication or program which features people who were correct about Iraq? Where is Scott Ritter? Where is Michael Moore? Where is Al Gore? Were is Dennis Kucinich? They are all ignored and/or mocked for their positions which were correct.
If Kevin believed in free markets, he’d join with liberals who object to corporate monopoly of media.
Our media isn’t a free marketplace. Corporations can afford to lose money on their media operations because suppressing information benefits their other business interests. Corporate media can and have blacked out news and information to the public - we have a dumbed down electorate.
Time and again we see that when voters are informed on issues, they invariably vote for progressive-liberal policies and candidates. And corporate media can’t have that happen!
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:39 pmTime and again we see that when voters are informed on issues, they invariably vote for progressive-liberal policies and candidates. And corporate media can’t have that happen!
Comment by Maeven
So, so true. Seems those to the ‘right’ like things kept in the dark. If somebody shines a light on the truth, MSM snuffs out the light. Then they tell you what ‘their’ truth is. Sounds screwed up to me.
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmIn 1994, there was a 55-seat swing in the House and this was hailed as a “revolution.” Newt Gingridge backed his friend for the whip position, but someone else (Delay) won the position. There was no mention in the media of a failure on Gingridge’s part. In November, there was a 65-seat swing. Kevin, maybe you could think about the comparison between the way the media treated this 65-seat swing with how they treated the Repubs 55-seat swing.
January 2nd, 2007 at 2:53 pmKevin Anne Coulter, Limbaugh and the other pundits have framed (Limbaugh speak) the word liberal as to automatically mean Godless, ( I am a Christian), on welfare (never have been), and morally corrupt (I have a great daughter) dirty hippy (my hair is short and I shower daily) that do nothing but protest (never been to a protest) And we of course have those on the democratic side who poke fun at religion with frozen spaghetti God, lol, and what not. I see some at Eschaton, who call themselves witches, others are atheists. What i fid peculiar is that nearly everyone, Aetheist or not, says they have a Soul, or Spirit. Perhaps it’s just electrons we all speak of, after all you cant see it flow thru a wire can you?
You seem to have fallen prey to that FOX framing Kevin, Millions have. Sure it’s easy to think of ones self as the moral majority (another catchism) a value voter (we all value life) and superior due to material holdings. (which we cannot take with us when we go)
The fact is Kevin the politicians have spent alot of money on psychologists, smear and dirty tricks to get you to support them.
I as a ‘progressive’ (America is great because of its technological advances or progress) and secular (the great melting pot) am tired of seeing politicians spend hundreds of millions to bash one another relentlessly on TV and then not lift a finger to help anyone but their kind.
Worse, they (politicos) have Americans bashing Americans while they slither down the path to corruption and self serving ends. I love my country and don’t want to see it torn apart by the media hacks, greedy lobbyists, and power hungry politicicans who see only themselves in the mirror, Democratic or Republican.
As for free market capitalism, which I think needs to be checked, it is a neccessity, so we can create jobs for our children, but there are those who take that to mean you can a big fat pig and it’s okay to exploit humanity.
(Nobody likes a hog at the all u can eat pizza joint=)
And thats where we differ I suppose. We should not exploit humanity for material greed and all should make a wage that is above poverty. If we have legalized poverty we will, as a nation, have to have some type of healthcare and public schooling.
I am one of the few here who support Bush because I know that he lives in a bubble, and that he has to listen to hordes of ‘advisors’. I can’t really blame Bush for all the mistakes made, no sir, it’s those that advise him that are where the fault lies. Bad data in, bad data out. And it will be the commanders and generals on the ground that have the final say as how to get out of, or ’surge’ this freedom operation in Iraq.
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:14 pmGeneral Casey is on the ground and disagrees with the President about the troop “surge” as well as the Joint Chiefs and the Baker Commission.
Good data in.
Good General out.
Bush goes with his Gut and there is where ALL the responsiblity lies. He’s the President.
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:18 pmThat did it! I’ve been looking for a good excuse to cancel my subscription to TIME and now I have it and I’m going to tell them why.
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:56 pmGreat choice! Kristol has been spectacularly wrong about Iraq from day one.
January 2nd, 2007 at 4:19 pmKevin,
January 2nd, 2007 at 5:59 pmCan you provide any example of a leftist/liberal proclaiming that the US ought to cut back on free speech, the way Republican ex-Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich has done more than once on TV and elsewhere? Or how about Ann Coulter’s statement that if she were president, she “would deport all liberals?”
Oh, yeah, only the liberals/progressives indulge in “hate speech,” while people like Ann-thrax, Rush Limbaugh, Rep. Virgil Goode, etc. only say sweet things about the opposite side!
Good data in.
Good General out.
Well I was certainly glad to see Rummy retire, you know the guy who advised George with Bad data in, Bad data out.
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:30 pmI don’t know about Kevin, but my impression is that trolls tend to be narcissists more interested in directing attention to themselves to the exclusion of any other activity. Responding in any way to a troll merely enables their dysfunctional behavior.
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:39 pmThis has got to be for the controversy as there isn’t a readership left.
January 2nd, 2007 at 6:59 pmKristol writing for Time? I’m glad I cancelled my subscription. Never again, never again.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:03 pmLet’s face it. Time is a disgrace. The editors of Time knew before the last presidential election that the administration was lying about its part in the Valerie Plame outing, but they said nothing. A major news mag. KNEW that they were lying about the destruction of an intelligence asset and didn’t think it was a story. Like I say, a disgrace.
January 2nd, 2007 at 7:04 pmKristol is Neocon gutter trash, so Time magazine goes into the gutter with him now!
January 3rd, 2007 at 2:48 amCancelled subscription. Check.
January 4th, 2007 at 2:13 pm