Well I was certainly glad to see Rummy retire, you know the guy who advised George with Bad data in, Bad data out.

Good data in.
Good General out.

Bush goes with his Gut and there is where ALL the responsiblity lies. He’s the President.

“Liberal means someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas withoug rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties…and I’m proud to say I’m a Liberal.”
Great Quote =)

Kevin Anne Coulter, Limbaugh and the other pundits have framed (Limbaugh speak) the word liberal as to automatically mean Godless, ( I am a Christian), on welfare (never have been), and morally corrupt (I have a great daughter) dirty hippy (my hair is short and I shower daily) that do nothing but protest (never been to a protest) And we of course have those on the democratic side who poke fun at religion with frozen spaghetti God, lol, and what not. I see some at Eschaton, who call themselves witches, others are atheists. What i fid peculiar is that nearly everyone, Aetheist or not, says they have a Soul, or Spirit. Perhaps it’s just electrons we all speak of, after all you cant see it flow thru a wire can you?

You seem to have fallen prey to that FOX framing Kevin, Millions have. Sure it’s easy to think of ones self as the moral majority (another catchism) a value voter (we all value life) and superior due to material holdings. (which we cannot take with us when we go)

The fact is Kevin the politicians have spent alot of money on psychologists, smear and dirty tricks to get you to support them.

I as a ‘progressive’ (America is great because of its technological advances or progress) and secular (the great melting pot) am tired of seeing politicians spend hundreds of millions to bash one another relentlessly on TV and then not lift a finger to help anyone but their kind.

Worse, they (politicos) have Americans bashing Americans while they slither down the path to corruption and self serving ends. I love my country and don’t want to see it torn apart by the media hacks, greedy lobbyists, and power hungry politicicans who see only themselves in the mirror, Democratic or Republican.

As for free market capitalism, which I think needs to be checked, it is a neccessity, so we can create jobs for our children, but there are those who take that to mean you can a big fat pig and it’s okay to exploit humanity.
(Nobody likes a hog at the all u can eat pizza joint=)

And thats where we differ I suppose. We should not exploit humanity for material greed and all should make a wage that is above poverty. If we have legalized poverty we will, as a nation, have to have some type of healthcare and public schooling.

I am one of the few here who support Bush because I know that he lives in a bubble, and that he has to listen to hordes of ‘advisors’. I can’t really blame Bush for all the mistakes made, no sir, it’s those that advise him that are where the fault lies. Bad data in, bad data out. And it will be the commanders and generals on the ground that have the final say as how to get out of, or ’surge’ this freedom operation in Iraq.

Comment by Maeven

So, so true. Seems those to the ‘right’ like things kept in the dark. If somebody shines a light on the truth, MSM snuffs out the light. Then they tell you what ‘their’ truth is. Sounds screwed up to me.

If Kevin believed in free markets, he’d join with liberals who object to corporate monopoly of media.

Our media isn’t a free marketplace. Corporations can afford to lose money on their media operations because suppressing information benefits their other business interests. Corporate media can and have blacked out news and information to the public – we have a dumbed down electorate.

Time and again we see that when voters are informed on issues, they invariably vote for progressive-liberal policies and candidates. And corporate media can’t have that happen!

I still come to this site to see just how far off people get.

Comment by Kevin

Actually Kevin I think global warming is a solar cycle, like the carbon cycle is a natural cycle, and as the earths precession is a cycle As the earths orbit goes from nearly circular to ellipitical and the angle of earth changes, of course we have weather changes.

The amount of carbon, my opinion, that has been dumped into the atmosphere, due to our needs as a society, has exacerbated the natural solar/carbon cycle. We also have the problem of a decaying magnetic field (earths)

I don’t think your a racist at all.

So why isn’t this being reflected in our media?

Why are all of the cable channels rolling out the most conservative of commentators to discuss the issues of the day? Where are the pundits to give voice to what the people of the United States are demanding?

The Democratic spokesmen the media has used these last years are not liberals, and tack squarely to the right on the full range of issues that make it on air. There isn’t one on CNN, MSNBC or CNBC who supports immediate withdrawal or complete withdrawal from Iraq anytime in the the next years. Aside from Lou Dobbs, there isn’t one liberal economic journalist on air speaking on behalf of the poor and middle class in America. All of the on-air personalities have stated that Ford’s pardon of Nixon was “the right thing to do,” and are oblivious to the idea that it was the failure to try Nixon in a court of law, have the facts come out under oath that led to Reagan, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld, the conservative takeover of U.S. government, the destruction of the U.S. Constitution, and a “unitary presidency.” Democracy exists to support rule of law determined by the citizens of the country. Elected officials are not exempt, to be pardoned, from having to abide by the rule of law.

Last week Clifford May enjoys a comeback and this week arch-neocon Bill Kristol signs a deal to get broader exposure to U.S. audiences. If Americans were to vote straight a liberal ticket in 2008, will Neil Boortz replace Keith Olbermann?

Unless Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Congress add FCC reform (fairness doctrine, equal time, etc.) to the list of what needs to be accomplished in the first 100 hours (election reform, too, and ending corporate personhood), we can kiss the democracy good-bye. Raising the minimum wage to $7.25 (when the living wage in most blue state cities is between $10-17/hr.) is nothing but razzle dazzle.

Didn’t Rush tell you what to think, or Glen Beck, or Ann Coulter, Kevin? Conservative Republicans are all about being told just what to think and accepting whatever that may be without question. If you thought for yourself you wouldn’t be so full of it.

Joe Liberman for example is a Republican dressed up like a Democrat who hangs on the Presidents leg like a horny dog changing his position to suit his best interests. He’s the only Democrat who will support Bush’s already failed “surge”, Kevin. That goes against the entire Joint Chiefs’ of Staff and the recent Baker Commission.

Those are reasons Kevin.

“If someone believes global warming is caused by the sun and not the industrialize world you call them stupid.”

Aaaaaaaaaah, Yes. Stupid is a good word. Ignorant is probably better. Personally I would believe Nasa’s top environmental scientist, James Hansen who sees man as the cause of Global warming not the Sun. Bush tried to prevent him from publishing his findings and EXXON is running a disinformation campaign that makes CO-2 seem like fairy dust. It sounds like you’re with Exxon.

Oh, yes the Sun is hot, there I agree.

Who wants to stop illegal immigration?

Do Bush Republicans? No.
That was a publicity stunt Kevin. Nobody told you? They said they wanted to build a wall and they went around the country courting racists. Then they didn’t fund it when they got back to Washington. No wall Kevin, Just talk to appeal to racists. If they were serious they might have passed a law or something to prevent businesses from hiring Non-Citizens, but no, just a photo op.

It doesn’t matter to you that most illegal’s are here, not by running through the desert and jumping fences or rafting in on the tide but by overstaying their legal visas. Just like all of the 911 hijackers.

Keep coming here Kevin. I’ll keep answering your questions so you can finally understand what progressives stand for.

Maybe this will help too.

“Liberal means someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas withoug rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people — their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties…and I’m proud to say I’m a Liberal.”

–John F. Kennedy,1960.

Comment by Bluedog49

Perfect! Really, Kevin name one. Just one, then we can be friends.