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]]> By: Scrutiny Hooligans » Rounding Up http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-2/#comment-3009700 Scrutiny Hooligans » Rounding Up Sun, 01 Apr 2007 00:41:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-3009700 [...] “If we surge and it doesn’t work, it’s hard to imagine what we do after that.” — Frederick Kagan, the “intellectual architect” of the Iraq escalation.” [...] [...] “If we surge and it doesn’t work, it’s hard to imagine what we do after that.” — Frederick Kagan, the “intellectual architect” of the Iraq escalation.” [...]

]]> By: Testy Hooligans - If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your ch http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-2/#comment-2199914 Testy Hooligans - If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your ch Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:35:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-2199914 [...] “If we surge and it doesn’t work, it’s hard to imagine what we do after that.” — Frederick Kagan, the “intellectual architect” of the Iraq escalation.” [...] [...] “If we surge and it doesn’t work, it’s hard to imagine what we do after that.” — Frederick Kagan, the “intellectual architect” of the Iraq escalation.” [...]

]]> By: Gooper http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-2/#comment-1438296 Gooper Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:19:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1438296 Would YOU buy a Used Surge from this man?: http://www.aei.org/scholars/filter.,scholarID.99/scholar.asp Would YOU buy a Used Surge from this man?:

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]]> By: Brian Tilley http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-2/#comment-1408707 Brian Tilley Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:15:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1408707 What's the problem? Everything is working even better than anticipated. The Arabs are fighting themselves in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine. Soon it will be Lebanon and Syria, and with a little luck...Iran. All amerika has to do now is make sure the combatants have lots of weapons and ammunition. This plan has been in operation since at least the Iran/Iraq war...both sides aided by amerika in order to maintain stalemate, and maximum death and destruction of Arabs and their culture. This is genocide...period. What’s the problem? Everything is working even better than anticipated. The Arabs are fighting themselves in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine. Soon it will be Lebanon and Syria, and with a little luck…Iran. All amerika has to do now is make sure the combatants have lots of weapons and ammunition.

This plan has been in operation since at least the Iran/Iraq war…both sides aided by amerika in order to maintain stalemate, and maximum death and destruction of Arabs and their culture. This is genocide…period.

]]> By: Paul http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1395287 Paul Sat, 06 Jan 2007 10:08:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1395287 After listening to Messiers Kagan and Kean on CSPAN today... All I could think was for such supposed intellectually able persons, they are both Ignorant and Arrogant. Mr. Kagan wouldnt go near a battle ground unless it was historical or contained the only available Crispy Cream Doh-Nut shop and General Kean seems to be the epitemy of dilusional, old retired army General who's out of touch with reality after spending his career in Washington. Too bad for our country and our young military people...they have got to learn about human nature the hard way. After listening to Messiers Kagan and Kean on CSPAN today… All I could think was for such supposed intellectually able persons, they are both Ignorant and Arrogant.

Mr. Kagan wouldnt go near a battle ground unless it was historical or contained the only available Crispy Cream Doh-Nut shop and General Kean seems to be the epitemy of dilusional, old retired army General who’s out of touch with reality after spending his career in Washington.

Too bad for our country and our young military people…they have got to learn about human nature the hard way.

]]> By: [B!] http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1383173 [B!] Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:44:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1383173 Being anti-Zionist is not being anti-semitic, but those who need you to feel guilty for speaking up against genocide want you to think it is. Comment by RealityCheck — January 3, 2007 @ 11:03 pm Yep. <blockquote></blockquote> Being anti-Zionist is not being anti-semitic, but those who need you to feel guilty for speaking up against genocide want you to think it is.

Comment by RealityCheck — January 3, 2007 @ 11:03 pm

Yep.

]]> By: SKdeA http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1383088 SKdeA Thu, 04 Jan 2007 05:45:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1383088 Reality Check rocks. Unbelievable, welcome back, you were missed (and fought over! check out those past threads!). Great Medieval metaphor, mind if I steal it? Reality Check rocks.
Unbelievable, welcome back, you were missed (and fought over! check out those past threads!). Great Medieval metaphor, mind if I steal it?

]]> By: RealityCheck http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382910 RealityCheck Thu, 04 Jan 2007 04:03:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382910 We will stay in Iraq until Bush is voted out or it is no longer in the interest of the Shiite (read Iranian supported) puppet government we installed. So far we have destroyed Iran's mortal enemy for them while draining away our international support and our military life blood that we could have used to confront Iran. Why would Iran want us to leave up to this point? It has suited both Iran and Israel that Iraq be dismembered. But Israel is now nervous. It sees that the main benefactor of these policies has not been itself or the United States, but Iran. It knows that it is only a matter of time before Iraq's oil comes under the sway of the Iranian Shias. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that Iraq will, in the end, be once again unified, but now with Iran and opposing both Israel and the U.S. - exactly the opposite of what was supposed to occur. Neither the U.S. or Israel have ANY way to stop this from happening. In fact bombing Iran will probably only speed up that process. Why? Because the U.S. is pulling out of Iraq; it's just a matter of which month now. That will leave a HUGE power vacuum. Who will fill that power vacuum? Both Israel and Georgie know the answer. It starts with "I" and ends with "ran." They hate it but they can't do crap about it. They created this outcome. They brought this on themselves. And you know what? It's a good outcome for rational human beings. The Iranian Shiites are in a better position to reconstruct Iraq than any other people on the face of the Earth. And besides, it will keep them busy for a couple of decades. Israel needs to get a life and focus on actually providing the liberties of a Western democracy to all of its people instead of simply claiming to do so while actually running a theocratic apartheid state with gestapo for a military and war criminals for prime ministers. Being anti-Zionist is not being anti-semitic, but those who need you to feel guilty for speaking up against genocide want you to think it is. We will stay in Iraq until Bush is voted out or it is no longer in the interest of the Shiite (read Iranian supported) puppet government we installed. So far we have destroyed Iran’s mortal enemy for them while draining away our international support and our military life blood that we could have used to confront Iran. Why would Iran want us to leave up to this point? It has suited both Iran and Israel that Iraq be dismembered.

But Israel is now nervous. It sees that the main benefactor of these policies has not been itself or the United States, but Iran. It knows that it is only a matter of time before Iraq’s oil comes under the sway of the Iranian Shias.

It does not take a rocket scientist to see that Iraq will, in the end, be once again unified, but now with Iran and opposing both Israel and the U.S. – exactly the opposite of what was supposed to occur.

Neither the U.S. or Israel have ANY way to stop this from happening. In fact bombing Iran will probably only speed up that process. Why? Because the U.S. is pulling out of Iraq; it’s just a matter of which month now. That will leave a HUGE power vacuum. Who will fill that power vacuum? Both Israel and Georgie know the answer. It starts with “I” and ends with “ran.” They hate it but they can’t do crap about it. They created this outcome. They brought this on themselves. And you know what? It’s a good outcome for rational human beings. The Iranian Shiites are in a better position to reconstruct Iraq than any other people on the face of the Earth. And besides, it will keep them busy for a couple of decades.

Israel needs to get a life and focus on actually providing the liberties of a Western democracy to all of its people instead of simply claiming to do so while actually running a theocratic apartheid state with gestapo for a military and war criminals for prime ministers. Being anti-Zionist is not being anti-semitic, but those who need you to feel guilty for speaking up against genocide want you to think it is.

]]> By: mrJJ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382896 mrJJ Thu, 04 Jan 2007 03:56:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382896 Bush already has the funds squirreled away for his troop surge. The 109th passed 2 funding bills for 07 before they closed up the session. He will need to get additional funds to sustain his surge though. People will have to start demanding that Congress DEFUND the Iraq part of the war. That is the only way to get Bubble Boy and Cheney to redeploy the troops... I question whether the Dems have the courage to play serious hard ball with this issue... The clock is ticking. Bush/Cheney will not reverse course on this issue. The troops will stay in Iraq until a new President is seated. Thats the Cheney decision. Bush already has the funds squirreled away for his troop surge. The 109th passed 2 funding bills for 07 before they closed up the session. He will need to get additional funds to sustain his surge though. People will have to start demanding that Congress DEFUND the Iraq part of the war. That is the only way to get Bubble Boy and Cheney to redeploy the troops… I question whether the Dems have the courage to play serious hard ball with this issue… The clock is ticking. Bush/Cheney will not reverse course on this issue. The troops will stay in Iraq until a new President is seated. Thats the Cheney decision.

]]> By: Zep Tepi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382736 Zep Tepi Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:47:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382736 BC The United States has over 200,000 troops stationed in 144 countries and territories. At any given time, it usually has another 20,000 sailors and Marines deployed afloat on Navy ships. BC
The United States has over 200,000 troops stationed in 144 countries and territories. At any given time, it usually has another 20,000 sailors and Marines deployed afloat on Navy ships.

]]> By: BC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382721 BC Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:41:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382721 BTW, Where the hell are the extra 30,000 'surge' troops coming from? neocon pundit ranks? BTW,

Where the hell are the extra 30,000 ’surge’ troops coming from?
neocon pundit ranks?

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382709 ForTruth Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:33:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382709 BC You are on to something there. BC You are on to something there.

]]> By: BC http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382697 BC Thu, 04 Jan 2007 02:28:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382697 Kagan, Bush and every other reality-deficient neocon doesn't care if the surge works or not. It will last just as long as needed in order for the administration to to not lose face by withdrawing and accepting responsibility for the total mess it has made. I predict the 'surge' will be given a life of about 2 years. All this is is a way to procrastinate about backing out of iraq long enough... *just* long enough for Bush to finish his term and issue simply becomes the next preznit's problem. =my2c BC Kagan, Bush and every other reality-deficient neocon doesn’t care if the surge works or not.

It will last just as long as needed in order for the administration to to not lose face by withdrawing and accepting responsibility for the total mess it has made. I predict the ’surge’ will be given a life of about 2 years.

All this is is a way to procrastinate about backing out of iraq long enough… *just* long enough for Bush to finish his term and issue simply becomes the next preznit’s problem.

=my2c
BC

]]> By: Zep Tepi http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382271 Zep Tepi Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:38:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382271 If surging does not work , send in the TP clowns . Comment by pistol pete Cmon Pete, you know as well as I do that you wish to see 2/3 of the Jewish people destoyed for your biblical prophecy. Kagan is Jewish, and yet you back what you wish to destroy. Your a twisted man Pete. Why do you put religion before humanity Pete? If surging does not work , send in the TP clowns .

Comment by pistol pete

Cmon Pete, you know as well as I do that you wish to see 2/3 of the Jewish people destoyed for your biblical prophecy. Kagan is Jewish, and yet you back what you wish to destroy. Your a twisted man Pete. Why do you put religion before humanity Pete?

]]> By: Veritas78 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382237 Veritas78 Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:24:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382237 What we do next is convene a <strong>War Crimes Tribunal</strong> -- that's what's next. What we do next is convene a War Crimes Tribunal — that’s what’s next.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382166 ForTruth Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:56:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382166 <em>If surging does not work , send in the TP clowns . Comment by pistol pete</em> And if that doesn't work, send in all the sorry asses that support this debacle, like you. If surging does not work , send in the TP clowns .

Comment by pistol pete

And if that doesn’t work, send in all the sorry asses that support this debacle, like you.

]]> By: jillian http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/comment-page-1/#comment-1382125 jillian Thu, 04 Jan 2007 00:43:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/01/03/if-we-surge-and-it-doesnt-work/#comment-1382125 Well Fred, at that point (a) you're S.o.L. (shit out of luck) and (b) even the likudnik Israelis and 24% rockhead Republicans will start giving up on you and your circle of lunatics. And (c), the next Republican "plan" will also involve killing even more people (yes, Iraqis happen to be people) without a realistic military or political rationale in Iraq. The point is purely, as every time before, to stave off the admission of failure and defeat Over Here. Well Fred, at that point (a) you’re S.o.L. (shit out of luck) and (b) even the likudnik Israelis and 24% rockhead Republicans will start giving up on you and your circle of lunatics. And (c), the next Republican “plan” will also involve killing even more people (yes, Iraqis happen to be people) without a realistic military or political rationale in Iraq. The point is purely, as every time before, to stave off the admission of failure and defeat Over Here.

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